WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Maria Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 2>In the summer of 1980, 16-year-old Maria Rodriguez was living

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<v Speaker 2>with her boyfriend, Milton Colbert Jr., in Long Branch, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Long Branch is on the Jersey Shore. It's about 50

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<v Speaker 2>miles south of New York City. These days, when people

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<v Speaker 2>think about the Jersey Shore, in my mind, they're mainly

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<v Speaker 2>picturing the highly developed places along the waterfront, like Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>City and Seaside Heights, where the TV show Jersey Shore

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<v Speaker 2>was filmed. But, especially back in 1980, Long Branch was

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<v Speaker 2>a much more remote area. On July 22nd, Maria and

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<v Speaker 2>her mother, Ana Rodriguez, and two of her sisters, went

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<v Speaker 2>to play bingo at a local synagogue. According to an

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<v Speaker 2>article from August 10th, 1980 in the Asbury Park Press,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was in a good mood that night because they

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<v Speaker 2>had won at bingo. Now, Maria was living with Milton,

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend. He was much older than her. He was

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<v Speaker 2>27 years old at the time. And again, she was

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<v Speaker 2>only 16. We're going to go more in-depth into their

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<v Speaker 2>relationship a little bit later, but for now, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>say that even with the controversies around that age difference,

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<v Speaker 2>Maria's family seemed in general to approve of Milton. They

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<v Speaker 2>told law enforcement that Maria loved Milton and was happy

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<v Speaker 2>with him, and vice versa. There seemed to be zero

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<v Speaker 2>drama that night. Maria's mom was driving. She pulled up

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<v Speaker 2>to the home on Union Avenue to drop Maria off.

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<v Speaker 2>When she went inside the house, Milton later told police

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<v Speaker 2>he was already in bed. He remembered mumbling goodnight to

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<v Speaker 2>Maria and then falling asleep again. At 3 a.m. in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, Milton left the apartment to start his shift.

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<v Speaker 2>He worked as a garbage man. He told police that

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<v Speaker 2>he kissed Maria's cheek and walked out the door. At

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<v Speaker 2>about 4.30 p.m., he came home from his shift. He

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<v Speaker 2>looked around for Maria for a few minutes. Then, when

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<v Speaker 2>he went back to his bedroom and opened the closet door,

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<v Speaker 2>he found Maria's dead body. She had been strangled with

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<v Speaker 2>a belt. I'm Katherine Townsend. Over the past eight years

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<v Speaker 2>of making my true crime podcast, Telling Gone, I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Gone Pod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Police

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<v Speaker 2>were taking a close look at Maria's relationships. Even though

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<v Speaker 2>she was 16 years old, It turned out she had

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<v Speaker 2>been living independently of her parents for years. One of

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<v Speaker 2>Maria's sisters, who the paper didn't identify by name, told

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<v Speaker 2>the Asbury Park Press that Maria discovered boys at an

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<v Speaker 2>early age. In eighth grade, Maria stopped going to school.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time of her death, she had not been

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<v Speaker 2>enrolled in school for two years. She seemed to spend

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<v Speaker 2>most of her days kind of hanging around her boyfriend's apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>there had been some drama around Maria's decision to stop

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<v Speaker 2>attending school. When she was about 14 years old, she

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<v Speaker 2>ran away to Rhode Island and lived with a relative

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<v Speaker 2>for several months. Police eventually found her and brought her home.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to the Asbury Park Press, when they went

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<v Speaker 2>to pick her up, they found her living in North Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>The paper reported that when Maria's family went to pick

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<v Speaker 2>her up, that they found her living with another man,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning not Milton. Her sister told the Asbury Park Press

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<v Speaker 2>that Maria had had boyfriends before Milton, but that she

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<v Speaker 2>loved him and was faithful to him. Milton met Maria

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<v Speaker 2>three years before her death. He was actually living next

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<v Speaker 2>door to the Rodriguez family at the time, and at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, he was married and had three children with

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<v Speaker 2>his ex-wife. That would mean that Maria was around 13

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<v Speaker 2>years old when they first met, and he would have

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<v Speaker 2>been around 24. By the way, it was reported by

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<v Speaker 2>several media outlets that police did speak to Milton and

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<v Speaker 2>that they never considered him a suspect in Maria's death. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>according to media reports, Milton and his wife went their

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<v Speaker 2>separate ways. She and the children moved to Florida, and

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<v Speaker 2>Maria and Milton moved in together in New Jersey. Maria

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<v Speaker 2>and Milton didn't seem to socialize much, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have people over to the house. Most days, she

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<v Speaker 2>would hang out at his house and watch TV. though

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she would venture out to the store to buy

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<v Speaker 2>picket lottery tickets. Apparently, Milton played the lottery a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would pick his favorite numbers. So there's actually

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting contradiction in this Asbury Park Press article, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, one of the only articles I could

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<v Speaker 2>find about this case. The reporter interviewed Milton. He said

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<v Speaker 2>even though he and Maria were different ages and races,

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<v Speaker 2>he was 27 and black, she was 16 and Hispanic,

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<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't aware of anyone having a grudge against

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<v Speaker 2>them or her. racial or otherwise. He also said he

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<v Speaker 2>and Maria didn't go out much or have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of visitors. But then the reporter talked to neighbors on

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<v Speaker 2>Union Avenue, who said there was a lot of traffic

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<v Speaker 2>going into and out of Milton and Maria's house. It

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<v Speaker 2>turned out that Milton had a sister, Sue Elliott, who

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<v Speaker 2>lived upstairs. And Milton told the police that the visitors

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<v Speaker 2>were actually at the house for his sister, not him

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<v Speaker 2>or Maria. Milton said that Maria was good to him,

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<v Speaker 2>He said she cleaned his apartment and took care of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Milton told police that when he came home after his

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<v Speaker 2>shift that day, he did think it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>weird that Maria wasn't at home because normally she seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of wait around the apartment for him to

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<v Speaker 2>get back. But at first, he said he thought maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she went out to buy some lottery tickets. He noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that the front door was unlocked, but he said that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't unusual because Maria would sometimes forget to lock the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Milton said he turned on the TV and hung out

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. Then, after a few minutes, his sister

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<v Speaker 2>Sue came downstairs and said she hadn't seen Maria that day.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, Milton said he went outside to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>some people, and when he got back inside the house,

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<v Speaker 2>he noticed that Maria's keys were there. Now, this alarmed

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<v Speaker 2>him because he said even though Maria would sometimes forget

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<v Speaker 2>to lock up, she always took her keys with her

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<v Speaker 2>when she left the house. So that's when he started

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<v Speaker 2>looking around again for Maria inside the house. Milton eventually

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<v Speaker 2>opened the bedroom closet and saw the horrific sight of

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<v Speaker 2>Maria's naked body in there. One of Milton's belts, described

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<v Speaker 2>in Maria's autopsy report as a green braided belt, approximately

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<v Speaker 2>73 centimeters long and 3 centimeters wide, had been wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>twice around Maria's neck. The belt had a square metal

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<v Speaker 2>buckle marked Peter, with what the medical examiner described as

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<v Speaker 2>an animal figure resembling a horse. there is not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reporting out there about Maria Rodriguez's life. This

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<v Speaker 2>Asbury Park Press article is one of the only ones

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<v Speaker 2>I can find that talks about her and her life,

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<v Speaker 2>her family. And this article says police confirmed they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to figure out that Maria had had sexual intercourse

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<v Speaker 2>before her murder. And there's also another sentence there that

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<v Speaker 2>says they had ruled out rape. So I wonder, who

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<v Speaker 2>did she have sex with? And I wonder how exactly

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<v Speaker 2>they determined that. And how were they able to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out that it was not rape? Was the person that

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<v Speaker 2>she supposedly had intercourse with her boyfriend or someone else?

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<v Speaker 2>It was reported at the time that police were looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a suspect described as being around five foot five

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<v Speaker 2>inches tall. That was someone who police supposedly wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to. but then that never seemed to go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>To my knowledge, there was never a composite sketch put out,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems as though that was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of dead-end leads that seemed to go nowhere. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>police have not said a lot about this case, but

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<v Speaker 2>one thing they did say is that they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>Maria knew her killer and that she let her killer

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<v Speaker 2>into the house. So, a logical question to ask is,

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<v Speaker 2>was the someone who Maria was having some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>consensual sexual relationship with? Because her family continued to insist

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<v Speaker 2>that Maria loved Milton and that she was not having

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<v Speaker 2>any type of relationship with anyone else. Milton told the

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<v Speaker 2>Asbury Park Press that he believed that as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>believed Maria was faithful to him. police began talking to

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<v Speaker 2>someone else, a 37-year-old man named Damaso Vega. Damaso wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger. This was someone who knew Maria's family. According

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<v Speaker 2>to accounts of the case, Maria was the daughter of

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<v Speaker 2>one of Damaso's closest friends. Damaso had come to the

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<v Speaker 2>family's aid after Maria was murdered. He had actually helped

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<v Speaker 2>comfort Anna, Maria's mother, after hearing about the murder. He

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<v Speaker 2>was even a pallbearer at Maria's funeral. He even collected

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<v Speaker 2>money from people in the community to help Maria's family.

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<v Speaker 2>But investigators would eventually come to believe there was more

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<v Speaker 2>to Damaso Vega's relationship with Maria than just the friendship

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<v Speaker 2>with her family. they believed that DeMasso and Maria were

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<v Speaker 2>romantically involved. But suspicion isn't evidence, and at this stage,

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<v Speaker 2>police still needed more connecting DeMasso Vega to Maria's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>So they started to interview people, and eventually, they would

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<v Speaker 2>announce they found three witnesses. The first one was Maria's sister,

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<v Speaker 2>Wilda Rodriguez Soto. Wilda told police that before Maria's death,

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<v Speaker 2>she had seen Maria and DeMasso hugging and kissing. This

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<v Speaker 2>was a big deal because it potentially established the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>that police believed existed between them. If this was true,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a shocking revelation that could point to a

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<v Speaker 2>potential motive for murder. Then there was a second witness.

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<v Speaker 2>This person put DeMaso Vega somewhere much more important because

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<v Speaker 2>according to the testimony that was ultimately presented at trial,

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<v Speaker 2>this second witness had seen DeMaso Vega on the porch

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<v Speaker 2>of Maria's house the night before her body was discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a third person, a friend of DeMasso's named Jose Pizarro,

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<v Speaker 2>told detectives that DeMasso Vega had talked about killing Maria

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<v Speaker 2>before the murder. And he said after Maria's murder, DeMasso

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<v Speaker 2>told Jose that he did it. So now police weren't

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with an anonymous tip or some vague rumor. They

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to have three people independently pointing toward the same man.

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<v Speaker 2>police began to build a case against DeMaso Vega, and

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<v Speaker 2>the lead investigator, Detective Pat Lipka, believed that DeMaso Vega

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<v Speaker 2>was their man. On February 4th, 1982, approximately 18 months

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<v Speaker 2>after Maria's death, a grand jury in Monmouth County indicted

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<v Speaker 2>DeMaso Vega for murder. His trial began on June 2nd,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously the prosecution's case depended heavily on those three people.

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<v Speaker 2>Maria's sister described the relationship she said that she'd observed.

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<v Speaker 2>The second witness put DeMasso at Maria's house on the

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<v Speaker 2>night she was killed. And finally, Jose Pizarro gave jurors

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the most incriminating evidence of all. According to him,

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<v Speaker 2>DeMasso Vega had essentially talked about the killing before it

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<v Speaker 2>happened and then confessed to it afterwards. DeMasso Vega maintained

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<v Speaker 2>that he was innocent. There was testimony stating that around

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<v Speaker 2>5 a.m., after Maria's boyfriend left for work, that DeMasso

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<v Speaker 2>would go to Maria's house so that they could hook up.

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<v Speaker 2>but DeMasso totally denied that and reportedly said that he

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<v Speaker 2>had an alibi. By the way, he always claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>even the idea of any kind of hookup with Maria

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<v Speaker 2>was totally false. He said he never had any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of romantic relationship with her and described their existing relationship

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<v Speaker 2>as more like father-daughter. But in the end, the jury

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<v Speaker 2>believed the prosecution. On June 8th, 1982, DeMasso Vega was

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of murdering Maria Rodriguez. He was sentenced to life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. with the possibility of parole in 25 years.

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<v Speaker 2>For Maria's family, the criminal justice system appeared to have

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<v Speaker 2>produced an answer. They seemed to be getting justice and

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<v Speaker 2>the killer was going to prison. Case closed. Except that

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<v Speaker 2>less than two months later, something happened involving the prosecution's

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<v Speaker 2>star witness. On July 30th, 1982, the Daily Register published

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<v Speaker 2>a small story out of freehold. The headline read, Charges

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<v Speaker 2>Dismissed for Murder Trial Star Witness. It turned out that

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<v Speaker 2>Jose Pizarro, DeMasso's friend who said he confessed, was defending

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<v Speaker 2>some criminal charges of his own. Jose had been indicted

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<v Speaker 2>over an incident that occurred on July 11th, 1980, so

0:15:26.980 --> 0:15:31.150
<v Speaker 2>shortly before Maria's murder. Jose was accused of beating another

0:15:31.190 --> 0:15:35.230
<v Speaker 2>man with a tire iron. The charges included aggravated assault

0:15:35.330 --> 0:15:39.130
<v Speaker 2>and two weapons offenses. But after DeMaso Vega's trial, those

0:15:39.190 --> 0:15:43.500
<v Speaker 2>charges were dismissed. And according to this contemporaneous newspaper report,

0:15:44.060 --> 0:15:49.100
<v Speaker 2>the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office acknowledged that Jose Pizarro's cooperation

0:15:49.300 --> 0:15:52.320
<v Speaker 2>in the DeMaso Vega murder prosecution was one of the

0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.180
<v Speaker 2>reasons for that dismissal. Now, that doesn't automatically mean that

0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.300
<v Speaker 2>Jose Pizarro lied. Prosecutors make agreements with witnesses all the time.

0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.060
<v Speaker 2>Cooperating witnesses can receive consideration in their own cases. That's

0:16:05.180 --> 0:16:09.450
<v Speaker 2>not uncommon. Their testimony isn't necessarily false because they get

0:16:09.470 --> 0:16:12.870
<v Speaker 2>some benefit from giving it. But the important question, however,

0:16:13.050 --> 0:16:15.710
<v Speaker 2>is whether the defense and the jury know about this

0:16:15.750 --> 0:16:19.550
<v Speaker 2>potential incentive and precisely what the witness was told or

0:16:19.650 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 2>understood before taking the stand. At sentencing, according to a

0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:28.240
<v Speaker 2>later Los Angeles Times article, DeMasso made an extraordinary declaration

0:16:28.260 --> 0:16:31.670
<v Speaker 2>of innocence. He said that he would eat stone, dust,

0:16:31.810 --> 0:16:34.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything to prove that he wasn't the man responsible

0:16:34.670 --> 0:16:38.770
<v Speaker 2>for Maria's murder. So DeMasso Vega went to prison, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's where he stayed for the next seven years. Over

0:16:42.030 --> 0:16:44.970
<v Speaker 2>the years, he filed several appeals, all of which he lost.

0:16:45.710 --> 0:16:48.390
<v Speaker 2>And that might have been where this story ended, except

0:16:48.410 --> 0:16:52.220
<v Speaker 2>that there was another strange twist in the case. Eventually,

0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.820
<v Speaker 2>DeMosso Vega's case reached a man named Jim McCloskey. Now,

0:16:56.940 --> 0:17:00.380
<v Speaker 2>Jim is a fascinating character. He served in the Navy

0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.000
<v Speaker 2>before working in the corporate world. He worked for a

0:17:03.060 --> 0:17:06.980
<v Speaker 2>management consultant company specializing in Japanese business affairs. So he

0:17:07.050 --> 0:17:09.370
<v Speaker 2>actually lived in Tokyo for a while, but he came

0:17:09.410 --> 0:17:13.870
<v Speaker 2>back to the United States and settled in Philadelphia. In 1979,

0:17:13.870 --> 0:17:15.970
<v Speaker 2>he left the corporate world and went back to school

0:17:16.010 --> 0:17:20.390
<v Speaker 2>to become a minister. And after graduating from Princeton Theological Seminary...

0:17:20.340 --> 0:17:25.170
<v Speaker 2>He founded Centurion Ministries in 1983. The organization's mission is

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate cases in which prisoners claim to have been

0:17:28.010 --> 0:17:32.850
<v Speaker 2>wrongfully convicted. Jim's story actually inspired the John Grisham book,

0:17:32.870 --> 0:17:37.570
<v Speaker 2>The Guardians. Jim heard about DeMasso's case and he went

0:17:37.590 --> 0:17:40.730
<v Speaker 2>to interview him in 1984. Jim later said that after

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.140
<v Speaker 2>he spoke to DeMasso, he became convinced that DeMasso was

0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.200
<v Speaker 2>telling the truth, that he was innocent. So Jim went

0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.060
<v Speaker 2>back to all the witnesses and talked to them again.

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:56.180
<v Speaker 2>And what he found made the case against DeMosso collapse. First,

0:17:56.500 --> 0:17:59.860
<v Speaker 2>Jim spoke to Jose Pizarro, who admitted that he had

0:17:59.900 --> 0:18:03.690
<v Speaker 2>been promised a deal in exchange for his cooperation. Jim

0:18:03.750 --> 0:18:06.870
<v Speaker 2>also figured out that back in July of 1982, immediately

0:18:06.970 --> 0:18:10.670
<v Speaker 2>after the trial, the prosecutor's office had publicly acknowledged that

0:18:10.690 --> 0:18:12.890
<v Speaker 2>this cooperation in the murder case was part of the

0:18:12.910 --> 0:18:16.970
<v Speaker 2>reason that happened. But Jim went further. He was about

0:18:17.010 --> 0:18:20.230
<v Speaker 2>to find a problem with another witness, one that had

0:18:20.270 --> 0:18:24.210
<v Speaker 2>the potential to blow the entire case wide open and

0:18:24.300 --> 0:18:27.100
<v Speaker 2>make people question everything that they thought they knew about

0:18:27.120 --> 0:18:30.660
<v Speaker 2>Maria's murder. The other witness, the one who said that

0:18:30.700 --> 0:18:33.240
<v Speaker 2>he saw DeMosso Vega at Maria's home on the night

0:18:33.260 --> 0:18:37.570
<v Speaker 2>in question, also recanted his story. And his new account

0:18:37.620 --> 0:18:41.210
<v Speaker 2>was even more disturbing because according to the National Registry

0:18:41.250 --> 0:18:44.910
<v Speaker 2>of Exonerations, this second witness said he had seen a

0:18:44.950 --> 0:18:48.340
<v Speaker 2>man near Maria's home, so that part was true. but

0:18:48.360 --> 0:18:52.110
<v Speaker 2>this witness said the person he saw did not fit

0:18:52.170 --> 0:18:56.310
<v Speaker 2>DeMasso Vega's description. And the witness said he told the

0:18:56.390 --> 0:18:59.810
<v Speaker 2>lead detective, Pat Lipka, that the description didn't match from

0:18:59.850 --> 0:19:04.260
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning. This person said Detective Lipka pressured him

0:19:04.340 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to identify DeMasso anyway. And remember, DeMasso had said that

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 2>he supposedly had an alibi. Well, it turned out that

0:19:11.820 --> 0:19:15.830
<v Speaker 2>the time when this witness originally remembered seeing the unidentified

0:19:15.860 --> 0:19:19.540
<v Speaker 2>man was created a problem for the prosecutor's theory because

0:19:19.780 --> 0:19:23.580
<v Speaker 2>DeMosso had an alibi during that period of time. That

0:19:23.620 --> 0:19:26.460
<v Speaker 2>would have conflicted with the case being built against DeMosso.

0:19:27.140 --> 0:19:30.340
<v Speaker 2>The witness said Detective Lipka pressured him to change the

0:19:30.360 --> 0:19:33.100
<v Speaker 2>time when he said he saw the man outside Maria's home.

0:19:34.540 --> 0:19:38.140
<v Speaker 2>This was shocking enough, but what about Maria's sister, the

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:43.490
<v Speaker 2>third witness? Maria's sister changed her story too. When Jim

0:19:43.530 --> 0:19:46.600
<v Speaker 2>talked to her, She said she admitted she had helped

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.660
<v Speaker 2>Detective Lipka fabricate the case because she said Detective Lipka

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.130
<v Speaker 2>had convinced the family that DeMasso Vega was Maria's killer.

0:19:55.190 --> 0:19:57.630
<v Speaker 2>She later was quoted by the Asbury Park Press as

0:19:57.670 --> 0:20:01.170
<v Speaker 2>saying she felt guilty because even though she mainly blamed

0:20:01.230 --> 0:20:06.450
<v Speaker 2>Detective Lipka, she felt bad about helping fabricate the case

0:20:06.570 --> 0:20:10.570
<v Speaker 2>against DeMasso. She clearly really regretted her role in that.

0:20:11.820 --> 0:20:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So after Jim interviewed these three principal witnesses and all

0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.140
<v Speaker 2>of them took back their testimony, which meant that all

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.020
<v Speaker 2>three crucial parts of the case, the confession, the sighting

0:20:21.060 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of DeMasso and the kiss, were all bogus. Then things

0:20:25.540 --> 0:20:29.590
<v Speaker 2>got even weirder because investigators started looking into DeMasso's conviction.

0:20:30.010 --> 0:20:33.570
<v Speaker 2>They found that some of Detective Lipka's reports had been altered.

0:20:35.170 --> 0:20:38.520
<v Speaker 2>All three witnesses were brought back into court in 1989

0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.740
<v Speaker 2>when Superior Court Judge Robert Figueredo heard the post-conviction case

0:20:42.860 --> 0:20:46.780
<v Speaker 2>and evaluated the testimony for himself. The witness who had

0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.920
<v Speaker 2>placed DeMasso near Maria's home now said DeMasso was not

0:20:49.940 --> 0:20:53.660
<v Speaker 2>the man he had seen. Jose Pizarro now said that

0:20:53.700 --> 0:20:57.680
<v Speaker 2>his original testimony about DeMasso confessing was not true. And

0:20:57.860 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the testimony that had supposedly established a romantic relationship between

0:21:01.620 --> 0:21:06.300
<v Speaker 2>Maria and DeMasso had also fallen apart. Judge Figuereda said

0:21:06.500 --> 0:21:09.780
<v Speaker 2>he believed the witness's new testimony, and that alone was

0:21:09.900 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>devastating to the state's case. But then the hearing exposed

0:21:13.060 --> 0:21:16.860
<v Speaker 2>something else, that some of Detective Lipka's reports had never

0:21:16.900 --> 0:21:20.340
<v Speaker 2>been turned over, either to the prosecution or the defense.

0:21:21.940 --> 0:21:26.120
<v Speaker 2>So police reports aren't static. Really, they're a moment in time,

0:21:26.140 --> 0:21:28.180
<v Speaker 2>but together they kind of tell the story of the

0:21:28.260 --> 0:21:31.820
<v Speaker 2>evolution of an investigation. So if a witness initially gives

0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.240
<v Speaker 2>one description and then later gives another description, the original

0:21:35.300 --> 0:21:38.900
<v Speaker 2>report allows lawyers and eventually jurors to see that change.

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.660
<v Speaker 2>And if a story or details change, a judge and

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.380
<v Speaker 2>a jury can normally see those changes and factor them

0:21:45.420 --> 0:21:49.170
<v Speaker 2>into their decisions. But according to the court proceedings in

0:21:49.190 --> 0:21:52.770
<v Speaker 2>DeMaso Vega's case, some of Detective Lipka's reports had been

0:21:52.810 --> 0:21:56.480
<v Speaker 2>doctored to remove information that the judge later described as

0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:01.540
<v Speaker 2>vital to both the investigation and to the cross-examination. The

0:22:01.540 --> 0:22:04.640
<v Speaker 2>1989 hearing took place in Middlesex County. Due to the

0:22:04.700 --> 0:22:06.540
<v Speaker 2>fact that so many of the people who had been

0:22:06.580 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 2>involved in the original hearing by this time were now

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:13.620
<v Speaker 2>judges in Monmouth County. Judge Figuereda addressed the physical evidence.

0:22:14.110 --> 0:22:17.230
<v Speaker 2>and said the semen samples had been taken in Maria's case.

0:22:17.910 --> 0:22:21.970
<v Speaker 2>DiMasso's original lawyer had considered having those samples independently tested,

0:22:22.570 --> 0:22:26.630
<v Speaker 2>but that testing apparently was never done. On November 15th, 1989,

0:22:26.630 --> 0:22:30.870
<v Speaker 2>the judge vacated DiMasso's conviction and ordered a new trial.

0:22:32.050 --> 0:22:36.340
<v Speaker 2>The judge concluded that the problems surrounding Detective Lipka's investigation

0:22:36.500 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 2>were so profound that they called into question the whole

0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.860
<v Speaker 2>process underlying the original prosecution. The judge even went so

0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 2>far as to apologize to DeMasso Vega for his false imprisonment.

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.100
<v Speaker 2>And he praised the investigative work done by Jim McCloskey

0:22:51.420 --> 0:22:56.180
<v Speaker 2>that had exposed what happened. So DeMasso had spent seven

0:22:56.230 --> 0:23:00.070
<v Speaker 2>years in prison for murdering Maria Rodriguez. Now he was

0:23:00.090 --> 0:23:03.510
<v Speaker 2>going free. But technically, the murder case wasn't over yet.

0:23:04.310 --> 0:23:06.710
<v Speaker 2>The conviction had been vacated, which meant that the state

0:23:06.810 --> 0:23:10.370
<v Speaker 2>could try DeMasso again. But would they want to try

0:23:10.390 --> 0:23:14.330
<v Speaker 2>him again? The Monmouth County prosecutor, John Kay, said that

0:23:14.370 --> 0:23:17.010
<v Speaker 2>in his opinion, there was never any doubt about anyone

0:23:17.050 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 2>who worked on the case that DeMosso was guilty. But

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>now prosecutors were dealing with three witnesses who all completely

0:23:23.460 --> 0:23:26.360
<v Speaker 2>changed their stories. And they had no new witnesses or

0:23:26.420 --> 0:23:30.210
<v Speaker 2>no new physical evidence. And the lead investigator's credibility was

0:23:30.350 --> 0:23:36.470
<v Speaker 2>completely destroyed. So on December 14th, 1989, Monmouth County prosecutor

0:23:36.510 --> 0:23:40.500
<v Speaker 2>John Kay dismissed the murder charge. Now, DeMosso Vega was

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>not just free, he had been completely exonerated. He later

0:23:44.500 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Monmouth County. It

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>was settled for an undisclosed amount. DeMosso moved on with

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>his life. He eventually settled in Philadelphia with his wife

0:23:56.100 --> 0:24:01.550
<v Speaker 2>and family. DeMosso died in 2004. But it's not the

0:24:01.620 --> 0:24:05.050
<v Speaker 2>end of Maria Rodriguez's story, because after DeMosso was set

0:24:05.110 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 2>free and exonerated, her killer has never been found. Once

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.260
<v Speaker 2>we accept that the evidence used to convict DeMaso Vega

0:24:12.300 --> 0:24:15.420
<v Speaker 2>couldn't be trusted, we have to go back, all the

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.860
<v Speaker 2>way back to 1980, to that home and that closet

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 2>on Union Avenue, where a 16-year-old teen was found strangled

0:24:22.780 --> 0:24:26.510
<v Speaker 2>with a belt. And back to the question, who killed

0:24:26.770 --> 0:24:31.730
<v Speaker 2>Maria Rodriguez? It turned out that Jim McCloskey had some

0:24:31.770 --> 0:24:35.030
<v Speaker 2>leads on that as well, because according to a 1990

0:24:35.030 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Times profile of Jim, He had found not

0:24:38.060 --> 0:24:41.580
<v Speaker 2>only evidence that witnesses had lied under pressure, but evidence

0:24:41.620 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that detectives had hidden that he said pointed toward another

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 2>person entirely. That person was identified in a 1987 article

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.660
<v Speaker 2>by the Asbury Park Press, who claimed that a man

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:06.630
<v Speaker 2>named Luis Rosa who shot his ex-girlfriend and her co-worker

0:25:06.710 --> 0:25:10.290
<v Speaker 2>at a furniture store on March 19, 1987, before fatally

0:25:10.310 --> 0:25:13.910
<v Speaker 2>shooting himself, had a relationship with Maria before her death.

0:25:15.100 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>On that day, March 19, 1987, Luis was in a

0:25:18.740 --> 0:25:22.780
<v Speaker 2>standoff in the furniture store because he mistakenly believed that

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.140
<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend was having an affair with a male co-worker,

0:25:25.500 --> 0:25:29.180
<v Speaker 2>who he shot. Police rushed to the scene, and following

0:25:29.220 --> 0:25:32.330
<v Speaker 2>a brief standoff, Luis hijacked a police car and managed

0:25:32.340 --> 0:25:36.130
<v Speaker 2>to grab one of the officer's guns. After a standoff

0:25:36.170 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 2>with police, Luis fatally shot himself in the head. It

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.020
<v Speaker 2>turned out there was a connection between Maria and Luis.

0:25:43.540 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Maria had worked for a brief period of time at

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a die casting business called Donmar Manufacturing a few weeks

0:25:48.980 --> 0:25:51.580
<v Speaker 2>before her death. And a manager there told the Asbury

0:25:51.620 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Park Press that Luis would speak to Maria in Spanish

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 2>and that the things that Luis said would make Maria

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 2>visibly upset. Maria's supervisor at that job testified in court

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.300
<v Speaker 2>that Maria had lied and told everyone she was 18

0:26:06.300 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>so she would be allowed to work, and he said

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.100
<v Speaker 2>no one suspected otherwise. This is interesting to me because

0:26:12.180 --> 0:26:14.860
<v Speaker 2>we've been hearing since the beginning about how Maria was

0:26:14.900 --> 0:26:17.390
<v Speaker 2>at home by herself, how she didn't have many friends,

0:26:17.770 --> 0:26:20.250
<v Speaker 2>but it turns out she was exposed to a lot

0:26:20.290 --> 0:26:23.070
<v Speaker 2>of different people. She had a large family, she drove

0:26:23.110 --> 0:26:26.190
<v Speaker 2>around to places, and she interacted with a lot of people.

0:26:26.590 --> 0:26:28.950
<v Speaker 2>at events like Bingo, and now we know she also

0:26:28.990 --> 0:26:31.410
<v Speaker 2>had a job, one that she quit shortly before her murder.

0:26:32.430 --> 0:26:34.610
<v Speaker 2>This was a job where she interacted with a coworker

0:26:34.890 --> 0:26:37.790
<v Speaker 2>who allegedly made sexual remarks to her that upset her,

0:26:38.810 --> 0:26:41.500
<v Speaker 2>which makes me wonder if detectives have identified everyone who

0:26:41.540 --> 0:26:45.100
<v Speaker 2>was integral in Maria's world. Did they really know her schedule?

0:26:45.820 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>The Monmouth County prosecutor reopened the case after someone called

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 2>them and told them that shortly before he took his

0:26:51.180 --> 0:26:54.300
<v Speaker 2>own life, that Louise had bragged about killing a woman

0:26:54.340 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 2>in Monmouth County. and had said that the wrong person

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.530
<v Speaker 2>got convicted for the murder. However, the prosecutor also said

0:27:00.610 --> 0:27:02.850
<v Speaker 2>at the time that a lot of the information that

0:27:02.870 --> 0:27:07.210
<v Speaker 2>police were fielding was second- or third-hand information. In the end,

0:27:07.470 --> 0:27:10.170
<v Speaker 2>no one was arrested or charged based on these tips.

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.860
<v Speaker 2>Brick Township police indicated back then that they were interested

0:27:15.900 --> 0:27:19.220
<v Speaker 2>in speaking to Luis's ex-girlfriend, the one that he shot

0:27:19.380 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>at the furniture store. but that she had understandably been

0:27:23.140 --> 0:27:26.940
<v Speaker 2>traumatized by the hostage situation and shooting and was reluctant

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.500
<v Speaker 2>to talk about it. Which brings up even more questions

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:34.510
<v Speaker 2>because if evidence actually pointed towards someone else, what was

0:27:34.550 --> 0:27:37.930
<v Speaker 2>that evidence? Who was that person? Was that lead thoroughly

0:27:37.990 --> 0:27:42.030
<v Speaker 2>investigated in 1980? And could that lead be investigated today?

0:27:43.290 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>In September of 2025, a member of the public filed

0:27:46.860 --> 0:27:49.580
<v Speaker 2>an Open Public Records Act request with the Monmouth County

0:27:49.620 --> 0:27:53.540
<v Speaker 2>Prosecutor's Office They were looking for information about Maria's homicide.

0:27:54.100 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>This person asked for the medical examiner and autopsy records,

0:27:57.420 --> 0:28:04.500
<v Speaker 2>investigative material, witness statements, evidence information, and records concerning DeMasso's arrest, prosecution, conviction,

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and exoneration. The prosecutor's office, as they sometimes do, required

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.940
<v Speaker 2>the request to be narrowed, but eventually, in October of 2025,

0:28:11.940 --> 0:28:16.700
<v Speaker 2>the office released a limited set of responsive records. Maria's

0:28:16.780 --> 0:28:20.830
<v Speaker 2>autopsy report, the DeMaso Vega indictment, the judgment of conviction,

0:28:21.030 --> 0:28:24.150
<v Speaker 2>and the agency's response letter. And some of those documents

0:28:24.210 --> 0:28:27.670
<v Speaker 2>have been posted online, even though the complete investigative case

0:28:27.710 --> 0:28:30.110
<v Speaker 2>file and witness statements were not part of that release.

0:28:31.130 --> 0:28:33.390
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be posting those documents on our Instagram

0:28:33.610 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and on Patreon at Katherine Townsend Investigates. In a strange way,

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.100
<v Speaker 2>that limited release kind of illustrates the problem that I'm

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>having with trying to understand Maria's murder today. There's a

0:28:46.100 --> 0:28:50.100
<v Speaker 2>lot of information in there about DeMasso, his indictment, his conviction, etc.

0:28:50.540 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>But there's not a lot about what detectives did otherwise

0:28:53.660 --> 0:28:57.910
<v Speaker 2>and the actual contents of their investigation. There are some

0:28:57.990 --> 0:29:01.850
<v Speaker 2>clues in Maria's autopsy report. The medical examiner determined that

0:29:01.890 --> 0:29:06.660
<v Speaker 2>Maria died from asphyxia caused by ligature strangulations. Maria had

0:29:06.750 --> 0:29:10.190
<v Speaker 2>small hemorrhages on her face and eyelids and larger hemorrhages

0:29:10.430 --> 0:29:14.830
<v Speaker 2>in both eyes, findings that were associated with asphyxia. Internally,

0:29:15.150 --> 0:29:18.470
<v Speaker 2>the medical examiner documented congestion and edema in her lungs

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<v Speaker 2>and brain. There were also contusions on Maria's face and

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<v Speaker 2>on her left thigh, and one of her fingernails was broken.

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<v Speaker 2>That raises the possibility that there was some kind of struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>although the autopsy itself does not tell us for sure

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<v Speaker 2>how that fingernail was broken. But there's another part of

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<v Speaker 2>the autopsy that I think may be even more important.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been, since the beginning of this investigation, a question

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind about how police determined that Maria had

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<v Speaker 2>sexual activity before her death and if there was any

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<v Speaker 2>testing done on her body. We learned from her autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>that the medical examiner did collect swabs for Maria's mouth, vagina,

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<v Speaker 2>and rectum. The report also specifically documents a vaginal swab

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<v Speaker 2>and saline washings for acid phosphate testing. In 1980, acid

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<v Speaker 2>phosphate testing was commonly used as a presumptive test when

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<v Speaker 2>investigators were looking for seminal fluid. But the autopsy report

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<v Speaker 2>that's available online does not contain the results of those tests.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't tell us whether sperm was identified or give

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<v Speaker 2>a blood type or any other clues. And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell us how investigators later reached the conclusion that was

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<v Speaker 2>reported in the newspapers, that Maria had had sexual intercourse

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<v Speaker 2>shortly before she was killed. So that information had to

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<v Speaker 2>have come from somewhere else, possibly a separate laboratory or

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<v Speaker 2>serology report. And we still don't have that report. In 1988,

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<v Speaker 2>the Asbury Park Press quoted DeMasso Vegas attorney Paul Casaliero

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<v Speaker 2>as saying that semen samples taken from Maria's body could

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<v Speaker 2>potentially have helped identify her killer. But he said those

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<v Speaker 2>samples had been lost by investigators. If that is true,

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<v Speaker 2>that is absolutely heartbreaking for Maria's family. That is only

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<v Speaker 2>an allegation from DeMasso's attorney. I have not found the

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<v Speaker 2>original evidence property documentation showing exactly what happened to those samples.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to know if any semen samples survived

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<v Speaker 2>and what happened to them because, if anything did survive,

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<v Speaker 2>testing that was impossible in 1980 might be possible now.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's another unresolved question buried in the old reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>According to what Milton, Maria's boyfriend, told police... he and

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<v Speaker 2>Maria last had sex several days before she was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>But the contemporary reporting said investigators had evidence that Maria

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<v Speaker 2>had had sex only hours before her death. And if

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<v Speaker 2>investigators really did establish that, that Maria had had sex

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<v Speaker 2>a few hours before she was murdered, if their timeline

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<v Speaker 2>is correct, then one question becomes incredibly important. Who did

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<v Speaker 2>she have sex with? And could that person have killed her?

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