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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokayf Daily with Meet

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Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: Often on this show we talk about democracy and the

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Speaker 1: fact that, regardless of whether or not we stop the

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Speaker 1: actual physical insurrection that happened on January six, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: that there is a continuing coup that has been unfolding

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Speaker 1: at the state and local and national level since then,

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Speaker 1: and if not before that, we have watched as regular

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Speaker 1: citizens have been co opted into the Magadum and QAnon

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Speaker 1: belief system that has led them to believe that they

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Speaker 1: can no longer trust their government, that they can no

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Speaker 1: longer trust their boat, that they can no longer trust

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Speaker 1: their voice. And frankly, if you were to dare to

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Speaker 1: decide that you wanted to volunteer your time to be

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Speaker 1: for school board or city council, to work at a pole, well,

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Speaker 1: basically in this current political climate, you're putting your fucking

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Speaker 1: life in your hands. Because we have seen as the

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Speaker 1: rise in political violence has taken shape, that good people

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Speaker 1: have been driven underground, lost their normal day to day

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Speaker 1: lives because of terrorism. Let's call it what it is,

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Speaker 1: because we love to use euphemisms in mainstream media where

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Speaker 1: they'll say harassment. But you all have listened to the

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Speaker 1: conversations that I've had with Jennifer Jenkins, who is a

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Speaker 1: school board member in Brevard County, who detail painstakingly the

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Speaker 1: kind of violent terrorism that she was faced with for

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Speaker 1: having the audacity to run for school board in her town. Right,

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Speaker 1: we saw what happened to the poll workers in Georgia

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's targeting. So on today's show, I am very

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Speaker 1: excited to welcome Miila Atmost and Mila is the producer

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Speaker 1: and host of Future Hindsight, a show that is weekly

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Speaker 1: a weekly podcast that is aimed at sparking civic engagement

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Speaker 1: through in depth conversations with different civic leaders and change makers.

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Speaker 1: Mila is about trying to activate people to realize their

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Speaker 1: power and their voice. We talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: No one would be trying to steal your vote or

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Speaker 1: suppress your vote. If your vote did not matter, no

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Speaker 1: one would be trying to funnel the airwaves and social

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Speaker 1: media with disinformation If an informed citizenury is one that

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Speaker 1: representatives had to actually be responsible to. The goal is

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Speaker 1: to gaslight, as Miriam Webster pointed out as their word

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Speaker 1: of the year in twenty twenty two. Their goal the

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Speaker 1: Republican cult Party, it's to make you feel like you

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Speaker 1: have no power, no voice, and frankly, no choice but

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Speaker 1: to live a life that is filled with fear and

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Speaker 1: hatred of the other. This is how they win. This

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Speaker 1: has been a tactic that they have used for decades,

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Speaker 1: and now they have the ability, with technology and social

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Speaker 1: to spread as much hate and disinformation as possible, making

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Speaker 1: us believe that there is more of them than there

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Speaker 1: are of us. But we know that that's not true.

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Speaker 1: They just exist inside of an echo chamber. We were

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Speaker 1: able to fight back in the twenty twenty election, to

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Speaker 1: fight back again in this past midterm election, to continue

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Speaker 1: saying that no, you will not take my democracy from me.

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Speaker 1: So coming up next, my conversation with Mila is about

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Speaker 1: you know, how we are feeling right as people who

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Speaker 1: transition into twenty twenty three, which will all for all

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Speaker 1: intensive purposes, be the run up to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Will we have the ability to do it again? Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, my conversation with host and produce sir A

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Speaker 1: Future Hindsight Mila at Most. Folks, I am very excited

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Speaker 1: to welcome to Woke f Daily for the first time

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Speaker 1: fellow podcaster Mila Atmost, a global citizen based in New

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Speaker 1: a weekly podcast that aims to spark civic engagement through

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Speaker 1: in depth conversations with citizen change makers. Mila, it's wonderful

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Speaker 1: to see you love your show, because I think that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people they want to listen, but they

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Speaker 1: and our democracy that we're in. Thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for having me on. Really, I really enjoy

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Speaker 1: for sure, at the very least we should be voting.

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Speaker 1: So we really want to showcase to people that, look,

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Speaker 1: you're not alone. Other people are doing this and some people,

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Speaker 1: And I think that you asked me this on your show. Um,

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Speaker 1: They're like, we just have to keep going, you know,

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Speaker 1: hoping that you are correct. Folks. Um the podcast is

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Speaker 1: future a future Hindsight with Mila at most. Make sure

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Speaker 1: or to check it out weekly. You get change makers,

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Speaker 1: civic engagement, and just an understanding about how you can

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Speaker 1: become a responsible, activated citizen in this country. Mila, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for making the time to join Woke app.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: me on. That is it for me today, Dear friends

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Speaker 1: on woke app as always, power to the people and

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Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke

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Speaker 1: as fuck.