1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm recording are you ready? Alien Earth? Warning? Today's episode 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: it spoilers four Alien Earth one oh five. My name 3 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: is Jasconcepcion and I'm Mersey Nike and welcome back to 4 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: X ray VS. We dived video of raby Jo's movie 5 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: is probably are bad you? Three episodes a week and loss. 6 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are recapping episode five of Alien 7 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: and boy oh how many times people get step in 8 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: the ship with the alien that always dumb. Don't worry, guys, 9 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: let's get into. 10 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: It Alien Earth episode five in space No. One dot 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: dot dot dot dot dot to flashback episode folks All 12 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: episode Marrow is woken from cryo to learn that stuff's 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: going left on the on the ship. There's a fire, 14 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: he's told, and potentially some of the creatures are running around, 15 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and also the captain's dead, so that's bad. He gets 16 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: up markets to the med bay and we see that 17 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: two crew members have been hugged They are currently being 18 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: hugged by the face huggers, and that one of them 19 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: was severely burned by the acid blood. Fire is out now, 20 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: but the ships just kind of generally is a mess. 21 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: The eggs somehow hatched, the crates were opened. Marrow wants 22 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: to know how He's like, okay, how this all happen? 23 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: And the protocol for hugged crew is do not perform 24 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: a procedure to try and remove the the creatures. Just 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: put them in cry of sleep and we'll figure it 26 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: out when we get to Earth. The other aliens, what's 27 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: up with them? No one's sure, which is bad. 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also very interested in what this tells us 29 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: about the Utawni mission, the kind of like wailing Utani 30 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: overlook of the future, because it's very different to what 31 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: we see an alien This is not a secret mission. 32 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: I will also say that I am shocked, shocked, shocked 33 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: that they get to this point with so few casualties 34 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: that they went. They are potentially various alien worlds and 35 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: like truly a ship of bozos anyway. So Mar's like, 36 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: what's up with the aliens? Folks are like, well, you 37 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: know what, I think they're secure, but I don't want 38 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: to go down there. No one really wants to go 39 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: down there, but they all eventually agree to a company 40 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Morrow down there. Morrow is like, I'm going to take 41 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: control of this situation. The engineers want Morrow to launch 42 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the bodies into space. And Marrow's like, no again. They 43 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: go into cryo sleep and now tell me more engineering 44 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: department about the damage and apparently the fire damage and 45 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: the navigation and the steering which is kind of like 46 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: important for the ship. And so now they're just kind 47 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: of hurtling out of control towards Earth. Down in the lab, 48 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: it certainly appears as if all the creatures are secure. 49 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: Later on, Marrow, who is paranoid, which is how he 50 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: has to be and I guess his job, which is 51 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: to make sure everything is secure in guardians, corporate sabotage, etc. 52 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: Thinks about the cause of all this. To him, it 53 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: looks like sabotage because like the fire happened in just 54 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the right place. 55 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the random like aliens just happened to make 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: it out and nobody knows who opened. 57 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: The boxes, and so yeah, what's going on? 58 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: Okay, let's check. 59 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: He speaks to the acting captain about this and is like, 60 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: you need to call a shipwide emergency and she's like no, no, no, no, no, 61 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: because that will cause a panic. Everybody will start freaking out. 62 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's why I freaked out? 63 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: Alien? 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: I know. Let's let's go to mother and punching it 65 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: to mother and see what she says. And Morrow's like, no, 66 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: how about this. I know that you've been having an affair, 67 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: having a relationship with one of your crewmates who's currently 68 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: being hugged by the face hugger sadly, and that's against 69 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: company regulations. So how about I dropped the dime on 70 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: you and destroy your career and then take control of 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: this ship, which I absolutely can do. So I have 72 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: been ordered by you Tani herself to make sure that 73 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: this cargo gets to Earth safely. That is priority one. 74 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: I don't care about you or the lives of any 75 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: of these other crew members, so declare the fucking emergency 76 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: or else. 77 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: And she also, I just want to say big we 78 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: were right for Joel, the super producer. Joel, yes, because 79 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: she cool that this was going to be a You 80 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: Tawny ship rather than a wayland ship. So yeah, and 81 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: Morow we're going to find out why he cares so 82 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: much about Utani things. 83 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: So the weird guy who we thought was a synth 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: but apparently is not Tang is being weird again to 85 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: one of the crew members in a cryopod, and people 86 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: are like, hey, leave that poor girl alone. He kind 87 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: of refuses to do it. Marrow goes to what they 88 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: call the zoo and lots of weird creatures in there, 89 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: in various cages and vats. There is one cage door 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: wide open, which was where the face huggers apparently came from. 91 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Acid hole in the floor goes down several levels, the 92 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: whole bit, the whole alien bit. Marrow goes to his office. 93 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: He watches the security tape he sees the face hugger attack, 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: and then he begins to look at all the footage 95 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: to try and find the saboteur, and he finds him. 96 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Oh appears certainly to be a hymn crouching, you know, 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: suspiciously by some very sensitive materials in hardware. The acting 98 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: captain cries over her boyfriend, who currently has the face 99 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: hugger on his face, and she does a little fun 100 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: funeral rite and pours some earth dirt on his cryo, 101 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: which is like, who's going to clean that up? I 102 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: appreciate the gesture, but, you know, and very touchingly is like, 103 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna be home soon, babe, you know. I guess 104 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: thinking that maybe they'll get this thing off his face. 105 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: I think that's what that being, at least scheming or performisted, 106 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: maybe because they seem to have a protocol for what 107 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: happens if you get face hugged, which makes me think 108 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: that people have been face hugged before. And maybe the 109 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: lie you tell their crew so they don't try and 110 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: do the surgery is, Oh, just put them in the 111 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: right the crew, the cryo tanks, and we'll get them back. 112 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: We'll do the thing. But, as we're going to find out, 113 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: also bad idea. 114 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I think you're right because it does certainly seem as 115 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: if this is not their first encounter with these creatures, 116 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: because Marrow knows the biological process that is happening, as 117 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: we will find out later. Morrow meanwhile, is watching the 118 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: acting current acting captain having her dalliance with the currently 119 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: face hugged boyfriend. Acting captain goes to see mother. Mother 120 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: is like, what's up with the cargo. Acting captain says, well, 121 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, they got out, but things are stable now, 122 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: but we're not really sure about can like one hundred 123 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: percent containment. I couldn't tell you that we're one hundred 124 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: percent contained. 125 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And she also, well, she asked her something really important. 126 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: She's like, can I destroy the cargo if more crew 127 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: life is threatened, and Mother's like, no, fucking absolutely sorry, babe, 128 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: you must be mistaken. 129 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: And I'll just say this, there's no there's no Ripley's 130 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: on this ship. There is no one of the there 131 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: is no one of the kind of fortitude of a 132 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Ripley on this ship, sadly except for Morrow, who is 133 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: a sidework anyway. Mother then stresses like, listen, aliens take priority. 134 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: We don't care if you die, press enter if you acknowledge, 135 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and she and okay. Mar goes back to his cabin 136 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: and listens to the Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter song loves. 137 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: That for him, just this huge fan. 138 00:08:53,360 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Will meet again. And then he thinks of his daughter 139 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: back on Earth, and we learned that shortly after the 140 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: ship launched, he got a telex from Earth that his 141 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: daughter died in a fire. And so that is kind 142 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: of why Garrow is the way he is. 143 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: Question was his daughter killed in a fire by Utani 144 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: so that he would have nothing else to live for 145 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: except for just like serving the company, or is it 146 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: just a coincidence that then put him in this position 147 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: to be so kind of cold and calculating when he 148 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: needs to be. 149 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't think so, because as we do find out, 150 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: you Tani the grandmother who is the Utani he knows 151 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: like saved him from. 152 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like she's kind of like a yeah, 153 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: some kind of maternal figure at. 154 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: Least, so I think he would have been down for 155 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: whatever Utani said without a murder plot. Yeah, so that's 156 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: really sad. Time passes, there's another explosion. I thought it 157 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: was by this time, I thought Tang is the guy, beautiful, 158 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: incredible figure. 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 3: I really don't think it was him. 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: So now the whole crew is like, Okay, there is 161 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of saboteur. Then there's a breach in cryo. 162 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: They get they get that alert and that means the 163 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: chest bursters have burst. Did someone defrost theo? I wanted 164 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: to freeze them. I think you can't freeze them. 165 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: I think also this. 166 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: Proves that for whatever reason, this is the first time 167 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: or at least no reports have gone back about this, 168 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: because otherwise surely you would use a more you know, 169 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: chest burst, a proof gloss or something like. It seems 170 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: like too easy for this thing to get through the glass. 171 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, is a cryopod? 172 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: Like? How? 173 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: But I guess it is an alien and it does 174 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: have acid blood. 175 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: So well, it would not be an Alien show if 176 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: the scientists technicians were not incredibly stupid, because one of them, 177 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: as they're musing, yeah, as they're musing about how this 178 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: is possible, one of them says, well, we do know 179 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: that they can survive the vacuum of space. Well, yeah, 180 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: if they can survive the the sub zero almost total 181 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: zero vacuum of space, then of course they can survive 182 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: the cryot tube and running around talking about yeah, soh. 183 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: And now basically the plot of Alien is unfolding like 184 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: inside of this other story. Morrow then gives his order, 185 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: aren't takes control out because clearly, like everyone agrees in 186 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: a security situation, Morrow is now in control of the ship, 187 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: and he tells the crew we're going to capture this thing. 188 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna go by teams. Everybody goes by twos, nobody 189 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: goes alone anywhere, and uh, capture, capture, capture, capture, don't 190 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: kill kill. Down in the lab, the experiments, the very 191 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: shoddy experiments continue with the eye watching very closely everything. 192 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: That very cool to see that I perspective kind of 193 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: like a fly with multiple lenses. Very fun. 194 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: And again I have to say, I think the triumph 195 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: of this show is that it got me to empathize 196 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: with the I'm pro alien, right, like, I like. 197 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: Kill something, you know what could happen because of how 198 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: scary this x anomorph is. But this show has actually 199 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: done a really fantastic job of getting that very unexpected 200 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: little bit of empathy where you are rooting for You're like, yeah, 201 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: go for it, like they out of space and now they're. 202 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: Like, hey, hey, blood imbibing bugs kill the people like 203 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: you deserve it. So one of the bugs that apparently 204 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: lives on the oxygen in the blood of its victims, 205 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: figures out how to open the top of the vat 206 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: and I thought this, now, this part was like super interesting. 207 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: The eye tries to warn the lady by slapping on 208 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: the glass, is like, hey. 209 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty crazy. 210 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 211 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, does it have feelings for haa? 212 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: Was she nice to it? 213 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: I think it's just like hi, I mean, it's clearly 214 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: like empathy or something, and just is like hey, look out, 215 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, like the thing and the woman does not 216 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: pay any science officer does not pay any attention. The 217 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: bug goes and ejaculates in her water, filling it with 218 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of tadpoles and then climbs through her sandwich to 219 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of try to hide grossly, but is immediately recaptured 220 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: and the water insemination goes unnoticed. Meanwhile, the Eye, of course, 221 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: is plotting its escape, and it manages to knock its 222 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: enclosure down onto the ground, smashing glass, and it gets out. 223 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: There is no alarm that, by the way, that goes 224 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: off when this happens, which is which is again again, 225 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: what are we doing in space? 226 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: I think you need you need much better security going 227 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: on in this ship. 228 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: How about you, Tani and r Whalen. 229 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: How about in space no one notices anything, and in 230 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: space you're all supposed to be in cryer sleep, So 231 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: don't worry about what's going on on the ship. 232 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 4: Guys. 233 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: We get the classic alien cafeteria scene. The whole crew 234 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: is there, despite the fact that the captain has died, 235 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: aliens have escaped, and that there's a saboteur on board, 236 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: and two of the crew members are currently lying with 237 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: parasites on their faces. Everybody's kind of in an okay, okay, 238 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: jolly mood because the food's coming out. 239 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, then, is this like 240 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: in the few sure of alien enough, like is this 241 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: just like a normal really bad day at the office, 242 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: Like you you're like aware when you go into this, 243 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: you're like, oh god, man, like it not that somebody 244 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: could get Just give me the fucking face hugger at 245 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: this point, man, because I know it's all going badly, 246 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: Like I do. 247 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: Feel like this section. 248 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: They're all kind of like, oh well, and I'm like, oh. 249 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, sure, So Tangs is smoking. He refused to 250 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: stop smoking. We discover that the fuel is gone and 251 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: they're flying on fumes again. Everybody's kind of very jocular 252 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: and just like, you know, like that very alien before 253 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: the chest burster kind of vibe. We watched the young 254 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: engineer of the engineering department just gulp down the science 255 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: officers water. Morrow addresses everyone and basically says, listen, the 256 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: investigation is about to get fucking real now because someone 257 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: in this room is a saboteur and so just be 258 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: aware of that. And if anybody wants a full share, 259 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: they will pass me information that leads to an arrest. 260 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: And that's it, and let's take a quick break and 261 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: come back. And we're back from from lunch break and 262 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: smoke break. 263 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: How'd you feel about it? 264 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: I will say of this scene, N I will now. 265 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: You know what I would just say it give it 266 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: a group chat, the early group chat, small bit of 267 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: rage bait. 268 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I just didn't like the a d R. I thought 269 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: was maybe maybe in the podcast version it will be 270 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: it will the sound mix will sound better. But it 271 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: sounded so obviously adr and not the kind of naturally 272 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: town like talking over each other kind of thing that 273 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: it didn't I don't know, it didn't do it for me, 274 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: this particularly scene. And also it felt weird that like 275 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: maybe to your point, yeah, working for Whalen you Twani 276 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: is so crazy, like like dangerous? 277 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: Better than Hermit's job? Is this better than mining on Romulus? 278 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: Like? 279 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: Is it bad? 280 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: Because you get good food, you get a little bit freedom. 281 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: It's not constantly, but you get to be in cry 282 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: or sleep? Is the hazard worth it? I wonder if 283 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: that is what they're trying to tell us it because 284 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: everyone is acting real chill about it. 285 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Oh, I said Bob Town. I meant Bob Altman, Robert 286 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: all like that kind of Robert Altman. That alien really 287 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: nails in that scene and makes it feel like a workplace. Yeah, 288 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: this one felt like Joelle the in the chat is 289 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: saying it sticks out because they really nailed it an alien. 290 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: They really did exactly anyway, h the doc and the 291 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: acting captain, they they're part of uh you know. Marrow 292 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: has said, everybody go off in pairs. They go off 293 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: to try to figure out how to catch the alien. 294 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Marrow begins the interrogations. We learned that one of the 295 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: crew is potentially a recovering addict and was off camera 296 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: for ten minutes, but he seems very sincere in his 297 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: refutations of him being the saboteur. Elsewhere down in engineering, 298 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: we have stirrings. First of all, the stirrings of a 299 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: class conscience, consciousness. As the older like Irish engineer is 300 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: telling me, I think this is Laddin. This is how 301 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: it always is. You think there won't be a hierarchy 302 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: in space, and you get to yeah, get to space, 303 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: and then there's a hierarchy out here. But what also 304 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: stirring is the fucking tadpoles and they. 305 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: They are also having a close consciousness discussion. They're like, yes, 306 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: out here, like we could run better than this, we 307 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: could run better than this. 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Well, young engineer vomits blood and collapses Meanwhile in the 309 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: doctor in the lab. The doctor realizes, oh shit, the 310 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: eye is running around. Now shit is really starting to 311 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: unravel with an alacrity. 312 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: Yes, now it starts to get like fully grotesque, like 313 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: alien are. 314 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: Very, very, very bad. So meanwhile, there's an emergency in 315 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: the med bay because of this young engineer. The doctor leaves, 316 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: leaves the science lab and seals it because we don't 317 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: know where this fucking eye is. Morrow is questioning Tang. 318 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: Tang is way too cool to not be involved. But 319 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: I guess he's not involved. Somehow we find he's just 320 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: he's like. Imagine this very weird guy. 321 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: Imagine if you're like the office creep right, and all 322 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: day every day you're just trying to creep and you're 323 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 2: like so aware of it, and you're like, oh man, 324 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: everyone's gonna notice me creep in on this day when 325 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: the aliens break out of the med bay, breakout of 326 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: the lab, you are so happy because you can smoke 327 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: twenty five cigarettes, you can creep on the girl, and 328 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 2: you are like low low low on the on the 329 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: kind of tempole of bad things going on on the Imagine, Oh, it's. 330 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: It's very tough. Let me just say male Asian actors 331 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: have been losing on streaming. We hear the one is 332 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: the office creep and on slow horses. He's like, literally 333 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: the most annoying character ever put to my television screen. 334 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: That being said, we move on, We move on. Tangman says, 335 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: don't you see it? It's right in front of your face. 336 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: You don't realize what's going on. This is when I'm oh, 337 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: there's two eyes and one of them ownership and he's 338 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: one of them. This is not the case. I was 339 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: completely wrong about I like that. But he basically says. 340 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: He basically tells Marrow like someone else is awake and 341 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: knows how to get out of their maybe sets a 342 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: timer or something and is secretly sneaking out of their 343 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: their cryopod. The question is who. Marrow then goes back 344 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: to his office to kind of crush film and try 345 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: and figure out who it could be. He looks at 346 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: all the deleted files on the ship and discovers that 347 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: the chief engineer had been talking to a boy cavalier 348 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: about purposely crashing the chip on Prodigy territories so that 349 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Prodigy could just swoop up the Aliens. Marrow heads off 350 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: to confront him and I will say I was shockingly 351 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: impressed by whaland Utani's privacy protocols that this conversation didn't 352 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: immediately trigger some kind of alarm that you could erase 353 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: that and actually someone would have to go in and 354 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: look at it to figure out that, like obvious corporate 355 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: espionage was occurring. 356 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing about trying to do retro 357 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: futuristic sci fi in a world where we are living 358 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 2: in like a high tech security surveillance state is a 359 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: lot of what you find yourself questioning are those things 360 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: that when Alien was originally made in seventy nine were 361 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: not the biggest concerns of like freedom and how you 362 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: would have freedom. So it is really funny to think, like, wait, 363 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: you could do that and it wouldn't just be flagged 364 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: by the word sabotage like let alone anything else? 365 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: And why do you, like, how do you how do 366 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: you just know you could just call Cryo? Yeah, And 367 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: how do you just cold call Research Islands and Prodigy 368 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: Territory by the way, to talk to a guy that 369 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: wasn't born when you left Earth? Like how do you 370 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: even fucking know? 371 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: A lot of questions You're raising some good questions that 372 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: I feel like must be answered by the end of 373 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: the season. 374 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta kind of figure out me like, probably 375 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: boy Cavalier or somehow like contacted the ship, but like, Okay, 376 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: how do I suspect because I don't. 377 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: I think there's gonna have to be a connection between 378 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: boy Cavalier and Whale and Utani that we haven't yet 379 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: understood because he has too much knowledge of their tech. 380 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: And also then Morrow finds it too easy to get. 381 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: Into his tech. 382 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: So I think maybe there's some kind of crossover there. 383 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: There's something about the way the boy Genius bought like 384 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: he bought secrets or he stole tech or something, or 385 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: he was a you know, Whalen Utani. 386 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because again, how would this guy know something he is? 387 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: This company started, yeah, while they were in space like 388 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: did not exist when they like. 389 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: Did it as soon as they go out for the 390 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: little like well, I guess they do establish that they 391 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: have to get out like every six months or every 392 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: year or whatever is to like eat food and like 393 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: smoke a cigarette and then get back in. 394 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: I guess, so maybe it's something like. 395 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeahh boy Genius was just paging people like, hey, guys 396 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: want to do it? 397 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: Corpri Esper. 398 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: You don't know me at all, because I wasn't bored 399 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: when you left. But my name is I just started 400 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: this company called Proty of the Earth. We don't apparently 401 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: Marblo's Akryo. He finds the chiefs pot empty, so it's 402 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: one hundred percent that guy. But before he can continue that, 403 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: there's another fucking alarm on the ship from med Bay. 404 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Margo's over there. He tells the acting captain who's watching 405 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: through the glass, watching like a procedure wrapping through the glass, 406 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: that it's the chief engineer, but she can't really focus 407 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: because she's watching them deal with this young engineer who's 408 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: like vomiting blood and they're scan him. He's got like 409 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: he's getting eat up from the inside. He's got all 410 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: these like gross cockroaches in him. 411 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: They kind of like bugs and yeah, so scary. 412 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: They open them up and it's like ticks they call them. 413 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: He's filled with ticks. It's not ticks, come on, it's 414 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: like a tick. 415 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: That's a giant slog gets kind of similar to the 416 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: slug that we saw in the Sandwich. 417 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: Very gross, and I did really. 418 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: Love this moment, which I felt like again was like 419 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: a kind of new ish moment that you see where 420 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: when they pull them off, they kind of release the 421 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: spoils gas and the two other people die. 422 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: Like sorry guys, but. 423 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: We're skipping ahead. Uh. Meanwhile, this is happening elsewhere. The 424 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: alien drops from the ceiling and kills Tang, who I 425 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: thought was going to be more involved with the story, 426 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: but is immediately. 427 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: Take Yeah, I know, I was surprised by that. 428 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, as I was like, are they 429 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: really just gonna kill Tang or is this gonna come back? 430 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: I feel like they can't just kill him, but sure, 431 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: we'll see. 432 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: Morrow meanwhile, is like stop doing surgery on this guy, 433 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: like that's he's supposed to just cry o him, Like 434 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: we're not supposed to be doing this, dude, But they 435 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: continue that. They continue the surgery, which credits to the 436 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: doctor whose hippocratic oath apparently still exists in this future, 437 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: and that's when the bug releases the fart gas. 438 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 439 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: So Marrow is and they start reacting like they might die. Honestly, yeah, 440 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: they're dying. 441 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: A bleed in the bleed in. 442 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: They're not going to make it. So Marrow hits like 443 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: the freeze everything button that basically shoots, like I don't know, 444 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: some kind of like liquid nitrogen type very cold substance 445 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: into the room and freeze everything. Everything is dead now 446 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: except the bugs, which are still kind of like running. 447 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 2: As we said, they can exist in the deep vacuum 448 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 2: of space. They can exist in a call dry. 449 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: The cold is not working on it. News then comes 450 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: that Tang is dead, folks. It's all going sideways, very 451 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: very quickly. Morrow is like, okay, everybody to the bridge. 452 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: We stay there. We figure out how to get the 453 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: ship in orbit and not on a crash course so 454 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: that we can triage this entire situation. We call down 455 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: to Earth, get a cleaning team sent up here, and 456 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: we secure this whole thing. Okay, I'm in control. Let's 457 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: do this. Morrow is of course, still insisting on delivering 458 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: the specimens safe safely. I'm sure that if you ask 459 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: the surviving crew at this moment, they'd all be like 460 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: fuck that they don't Yeah, I. 461 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: Mean I would, just I'm I'm like, I don't they 462 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: they didn't try and kill Morrow quickly enough for me. 463 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I get it. He's a main character. 464 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: He has some plow armor and also he is a cyborg. 465 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: But I definitely if I was them, I would very 466 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: quickly have seen the fact that he is more can. 467 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: I love the murder the murder side of Rosie coming out, 468 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: but I one hundred percent agree, And you would be 469 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: would would no one not be justified in being like, 470 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: this guy doesn't care about me. Yeah, he's gonna lets 471 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: you get killed by aliens exactly and kill him and survive. 472 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: Also for a corporation like that may seem even madder 473 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: that you're gonna kill come on. But also, you know what, 474 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: Joel just pointed out a great point in here, and 475 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: I have to say, I think this is actually in 476 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: the credit to this episode, which is a kind of 477 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: crazy episode where they really try and do a lot 478 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: and they replace some of the biggest tropes from Alien, 479 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: which is a your bandwidth will vary on that. But 480 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: Joel just said, you know, oh, you know, we actually 481 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: saw all of their corpses. We knew they already died 482 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: by this point in the episode. I was actually so 483 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: invested in all of them that I really was shocked 484 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: when Tang died. I didn't see that coming, like and 485 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: I did well, even though like I had seen it, 486 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: I kind of. I was engrossed enough at this point 487 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: that there was still a level of suspense an entree, 488 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: even though we knew the outcome. 489 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: It's a good point that I just thought he would 490 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: be more involved in this episode's story than he was, 491 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: because he had such a I want this baby. I 492 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: wan't know why he cares, because the ominous energy coming 493 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: off of him was it felt like there was more there, 494 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: So I was very surprised to see him. 495 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: We felt like the reason that he was invested in 496 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: the other woman in the pod was probably because he 497 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: was a synth and he was protecting the aliens. But 498 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: then we saw obviously that Morrow is the cyborg. Morrow 499 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 2: is the one who is charged with doing that. I 500 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: still think there's more there. I will be I would 501 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: be personally surprised if we don't see that followed up 502 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: on even a little bit at some point throughout the 503 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: rest of the season, because, like you said, it was 504 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: a very ominous introduction and it felt like it was 505 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: hinting at more. 506 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Morrow gets into a shootout with the chief engineer 507 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: who suddenly appears. Meanwhile, the bugs are just running around everywhere. 508 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: The Eye is out and running around a marrow impales 509 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: the chief with his blade hand and then the captain 510 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: acting captain runs into the fully adult alien. We get 511 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: a chase. She runs into the old engineer, who now 512 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: has the eye in him. Ah, so scary by the 513 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: eye and this means very yet say what happens next, 514 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: because I think you can't really unless you're gonna have 515 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: like the big yoga oh no sunglasses, Like it's very 516 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: it's very noticeable. 517 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: And this guy had kind of a big head like me, 518 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: like has a tiny head. If they put the eye 519 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: in there, you're gonna. 520 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: Know you're gonna see it. 521 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: You're gonna see it. 522 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: So Morrow comes crawling out of the vents. He's moving 523 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: around through the vents, which I just love that he's 524 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: doing that. The alien. The engineer kind of like shouts 525 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: in this very strange way that I couldn't I couldn't 526 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: decide if he was At first I thought, oh, he's 527 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: calling the alien because the alien shows up. But then 528 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, was he warning them, trying to warn them 529 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: that hey, the xenomorphous here? 530 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: Because then is what I couldn't work out is like 531 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: it definitely sounds similar to the sounds that we've kind 532 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: of heard Wendy hearing. So it's definitely some kind of communication. 533 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: But I did wonder if it's like, was the engine 534 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: it because he was taken. 535 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: Over by the eye. 536 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: He could only communicate that way, so maybe that's why 537 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: it sounded like that. 538 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: But it did seem like he yells. 539 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: Something strange, kind of sounding a bit like a rap to, 540 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: like a. 541 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: Kind of thing. 542 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: And then the alien arrives. 543 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now because of what happens next, because they 544 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: begin fighting, like he's like, Okay, let me, it's not 545 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: my body. I don't give a shit. I'm gonna try 546 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: to fight this alien. So they try fight, and so 547 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: a good guy? 548 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: Is that? 549 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: What is the idolist? 550 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: Like secretly a good guy? 551 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: It's very let's discuss this. Let's pause on that, because 552 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: I want to discuss it. I will say that all 553 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: the the way the plot is pointing, is it. The 554 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: story certainly wants you to empathize with the eye, and 555 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm definitely pro I at this point. And the engineer's 556 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: body gets absolutely torn up in this fight because there's 557 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: no way that a human is anywhere near as strong 558 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: as an alien, and the eye pops out and survives, 559 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: but then also tries to get in that the alien 560 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: has no eyes really but it's but the alien was 561 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: struggling with the eye was really like trying. It was 562 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: like the fucking thing off me, which was also very interesting. 563 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: And then from there it's basically what we've seen. Mara 564 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: runs into the mother panic room, the acting captain's pounding 565 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: on the door, He welds the door shut, gets into 566 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: the survival pod and lives. And then we get flash 567 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: forward to the present. Moorrow is meeting with new Utani 568 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: somewhere where are the meeting by the way, where is 569 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: this happening? I guess there's a ship on the on 570 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: the top of this building that they're meeting at. So 571 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: I guess they exfiltrated him from the Prodigy Island to Territory. 572 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: Maybe or maybe before maybe he landed. Yeah, there's an 573 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: embassy passing New Siam. I don't know, because he was 574 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: in the cap He was in the capsule, and then 575 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: it seemed like he woke up in New Siam, but 576 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: that could also be a fake out. 577 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 3: I guess he could have gone here first. 578 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: And well, I. 579 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: Think this is clearly this is clearly this is. 580 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Clearly happening in them be An arbitration yet, right, so 581 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: this is I think this is clearly happening, like after 582 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: the events of the previous episode, like in the in 583 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: the present continuity, they managed to grab him off Prodigy territory. 584 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: Bring him to Utani territory, and we learned that Utani's 585 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: grandmother of the original Utani og Utani took him, took 586 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: him off the streets. He was a boy with like 587 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: a paralyzed armor, like a withered arm or something. Yeah, 588 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: he had some kind of a cyborg yeah. And he promises, listen, 589 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: not only am I getting all the cargo, I'm gonna 590 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: kill boy Cavalier too. I'm gonna kill him. 591 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 3: She's I'm gonna fucking kill that bitch, and you really. 592 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: Will hold kill him. 593 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: Hold on, My lawyers are handling. We're an arbitration right now. 594 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: With the lawyers trying to figure out like the returning 595 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: to thing. He's like no, no, no, no, no. 596 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: He said, unless the lawyers are soldiers. 597 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: He was like, we're doing this my way. 598 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: So and so, like, you know what, give him give 599 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: him the unlimited Utani Platinum card. 600 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 4: Dude. 601 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: It's it's like in Batman and Robin when he's like. 602 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: Put it on my bat visa or whatever. 603 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he's got like he's got the Utani 604 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: Master cod the your Tani Venmo account. 605 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: She said, put it on the cash, app him the. 606 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: Money, do what he needs to do. 607 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: Let's seek a quick break and then we'll discuss our 608 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: thoughts about this episode. And we are bad. 609 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 610 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, the I I here's my concern because I 611 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: am pro I, I am Jason is officially pro I, 612 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: and this true God is a visually pro iky I 613 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: me Joel am wondering if this now is gonna put 614 00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: us into conflict with Wendy, who is pro xenomorph, because 615 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: are the Eye and the Xenomorph like natural enemies or 616 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: will there be like a like a broader team up 617 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: of Xenomorph and Eye and and Synthetic against the people. 618 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: Because I'm I. 619 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 2: Think that you're right to be pro I at this point. 620 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: I think the Eye is doing its little best and 621 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: it's seeing what it can see. 622 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 3: With its eight lenses or whatever. 623 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: I think that it is unclear where we're at at 624 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: this point, because I did find it very interesting that 625 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 2: we had that moment of the fire of the the 626 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: engineer actually fighting and trying to like bite through the 627 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: neck of the zenim off with the eye and this eye. 628 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: It's interesting. 629 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 2: I'm intrigued, but I think that ultimately that will put 630 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: the Eye on the side of Wendy, because I think 631 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: we're supposed to be on the side of it. 632 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: I do wonder because we're talking about too kind of 633 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: clearly like apex creatures, like not just to not being 634 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: the top alien. Joelle puts a very trenching observation in 635 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: the chat that in episode one oh one, we had 636 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: that moment where Wendy pre procedure, was looking at the 637 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: scorpion in a tank and is having that conversation with Kersh, 638 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: where Kersh is like should I kill it? Like what 639 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: if he's just protecting his friend? So I think the eye, well, 640 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if the eye is protecting anyone, but again, 641 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: it's fascinating know that the eye tried to warn the 642 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: science officer that the bugs were out, So I think 643 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be allied with the Eyes somehow. 644 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: I think that you're right that. I also thought that 645 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: was interesting because the science officer and then have kind 646 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: of science pal who is the who with the two 647 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: doing the sagery. They were the most kind of humane, 648 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 2: like sensible people that we met, based on like the 649 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: kind of conversations they were having, the thoughts they had 650 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 2: about the ship. 651 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: So I'm interested in that. 652 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: I'm also intrigued as to whether or not, like is 653 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: the eye gonna exist inside the sheep goat? Is it 654 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 2: still alive? Like what are we thinking about that? Like 655 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: is it gonna take over somebody else? Does the I 656 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 2: go into Nibs and then Nibs becomes like an a 657 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: oh or Wendy and becomes like an alien synth human 658 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: hybrid or something. But I think I too and pro 659 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: I I'm interested to see if there is a pro 660 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 2: zenomorph kind of movement from Wendy or if the Xenomorph 661 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: is essentially gonna be like a dog in Wendy's fight. Also, 662 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 2: I will say lots of complaints going on in the 663 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: world about not enough goo on the alien, and I 664 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: have to say this episode definitely not gooey. I didn't 665 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: think the alien was gooey enough, really, I mean, I 666 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 2: thought it was very dry. When you say he's shiny 667 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: but dry. I think it that the Xenomorph needs to. 668 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: Be someone's sweet on that alien. 669 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: Somebody spell on him. Little him up anyway. Okay, So 670 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: Joelle has a great question. Ni, Yeah, yeah, do you 671 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 2: think this is one of the interesting things about watching 672 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: a movie, watching a show based on a movie that 673 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: came out before other formative movies. So do you think 674 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 2: this episode holds up as an alien story or does 675 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: it feel more like a rip off of the kind 676 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 2: of paranoia, body horror of like the Thing. 677 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: I mean, you see the influences of certainly the thing 678 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: in there. 679 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 3: I will I think it's different. 680 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: I think it's different that that. Until she brought it 681 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: up in the chat, I really was not thinking about it. Yeah, 682 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: I will say that obviously I love the alienness of this, 683 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: But strangely counterintuitively, the parts that kind of work the 684 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: least for me are the parts where they are putting 685 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: their finger on the most obvious like alien reference. It's 686 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: like the cafeteria cross top scene just didn't. It's like, 687 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,959 Speaker 1: how do you how do you improve on perfection? I believe, 688 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: I truly believe that that is so good? I don't know. 689 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: So it's that kind of thing that works the least 690 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: for me, where whereas all the stuff that's inspired by 691 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: inspired by the esthetic and the look and is just 692 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of like letting the story unfold in that setting 693 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: works the best for me. I think so too. 694 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 2: I think the stuff that is more unique and that 695 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 2: they're introducing, even like the notion of the eye and stuff, 696 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: is the stuff that works the best. I think it's 697 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 2: different enough to me from the Thing, because I think 698 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 2: a major part of the horror of the Thing is 699 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 2: like not knowing who to trust based on like what 700 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 2: is residing inside them. But this is all about kind 701 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: of knowing what's residing inside the person and still not 702 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: knowing what to trust, which I. 703 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 3: Think is like a different conversation. 704 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if I was invested in all the characters, 705 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 2: but I really like the new engineer. 706 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: I thought that was a good role. 707 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 2: I felt like they did a good job writing these characters, 708 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 2: even though they were. 709 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 3: Any next for a little while. But Jason, that kind. 710 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: Of leads to the next question, which is you in 711 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: a situation with the first episode where you were like, 712 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 2: the time on the ship is unnecessary. 713 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: We know, like who cares, We've. 714 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 2: Seen alien, we know what's gonna happen, It's gonna crash. 715 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: How do you feel post this episode? 716 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: Do you feel I feel it, I feel it even 717 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: probably that shit. And I would honestly be surprised if anybody, 718 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: if anybody truly thinking about it, didn't kind of agree, Like, 719 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: I love this show, point blank. This is a great episode. 720 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: It's a great show. It's somebody was watched. It's really enjoyable. 721 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: I would ask anyone to look inside themselves and tell 722 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: me the truth. Were you not a little disappointed that 723 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: two out of the final five minutes of this episode, 724 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: of this crackling episode were exactly a scene you've seen before. 725 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: You literally just they just replayed the scene. Why not 726 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: just start there, crash the ship, and then we meet 727 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: the crew later? Like we didn't. I just felt like 728 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: we didn't need it. 729 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 3: That's a good call. 730 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: And I feel even stronger after watching this episode where 731 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna meet the crew, that we could have just 732 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 1: jumped into the story of the kids, crash the ship, 733 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: meet the kids, learn about them because we're going to 734 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: meet the crew later. 735 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's a good I think 736 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 2: you make a good call. 737 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 3: I also think like just that, and. 738 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: Joelle, do you disagree? Come in here now, hey said Joel, 739 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: come in it right now. 740 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 3: Dore you disagree? 741 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 4: No, that was cracking off over here. 742 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: I completely agree. 743 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 4: But that's why I wanted your thoughts on it, because 744 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 4: when I first watched it, I really felt strongly that 745 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent. When I first 746 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 4: watched the pilot, I was like, Oh, I really like 747 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 4: this scene. 748 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: I liked that we got a little bit. 749 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 4: I love a lot of these actors, and I thought 750 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 4: it was a nice setup of this like very seemingly 751 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 4: peaceful spaceship where you could kind of see the clacks 752 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 4: and the crew and then it literally crashes to Earth 753 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 4: and it's like. 754 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: A really intrigue opening to me. 755 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 4: But I agree with you now that it's like, especially 756 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 4: the last few minutes being exactly the same and not 757 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 4: really revealing anything new like that kind of hurts. And 758 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 4: then I also think, you know, we got so much 759 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 4: of them here, you wouldn't really miss them in the 760 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 4: first episode. 761 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if there was a more, like if. 762 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 4: The scorpion scene just shouldn't have been the opening because 763 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 4: it seems to be the crush for everything else. So yeah, 764 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 4: and I totally agree. 765 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 3: With you, Jason. 766 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, also let me ask you Joelle join us for 767 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: this final question. Then, Okay, we kind of talked a 768 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 2: little bit about the lack of maybe some depth that 769 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: we were feeling in the show. People have been talking 770 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 2: about style versus substance. How do you two feel after 771 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 2: this episode? Do you feel, Joelle, like it has. 772 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: Brought more to it? 773 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 2: Do you feel like it still needs a little bit 774 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 2: more of that deep a depth? What are you feeling 775 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 2: right right now? 776 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 4: I'm still not feeling the deep well ocean of like 777 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 4: legion contemplation that you would like. And you were like, 778 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 4: I got to cond of play my life the point 779 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 4: of humanity, like ethics, Like you're really swimming in like 780 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 4: a deep thought barrel. You're still a little surfacey here. 781 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 4: What I will say is this show gives you a 782 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 4: lot of space to try to filling gaps yourself, which 783 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 4: I do wonder if maybe, especially if you're adding onto 784 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 4: a series in a prequel format where you'll have no 785 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 4: control of what comes after, it's kind of nice to 786 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 4: be like, there's some pretty broad things that you can 787 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 4: speculate about as fans that cement a couple of things 788 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 4: and make things a little bit clearer here and there. 789 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 4: It adds to the lore. Yeah, I was watching the 790 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 4: rock Stars earlier and they were talking about how at 791 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 4: the top of Alien there are governments. Corporations are not 792 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 4: rule where they're an actual government, and I was like, oh, 793 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 4: I totally forgot that. So not only just something happened 794 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 4: to Prodigy at the end of this thing, but like 795 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 4: all of these companies used to have more power, like 796 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 4: have more power now where we are in the show 797 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 4: than they will in the future of the series. And 798 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 4: I thought that that was really intriguing. That is interesting 799 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 4: viewing a lot to like if you're a fan to 800 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 4: munch On, But I think if you're just I don't know, 801 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 4: like an intellectual watcher, it's not that deep. 802 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: I do agree. Listen. I mean I mentioned that the 803 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: boy Cavalier corporate espionage of the ship that's been in 804 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: space for sixty years like doesn't make sense because he 805 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: was like he's thirty or something like he was. 806 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 2: Born Yeah, maybe he's like twenty three maybe and. 807 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: Then launched his company, you know, like maybe fifteen years 808 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: ago like so or or probably less. So how does 809 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: he contact them? How do they know who he is? Like, 810 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: there's that kind of stuff. Is to Joel's point, it 811 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: like it's a shallower pool than it appears to me. 812 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: But I will say that the style is this. When 813 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: the style is cracking like this, that's you know what 814 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I don't get performances. Yes, and I 815 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: will say that one thing this show did, and I'll 816 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: say it again that I think is is I'm truly 817 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: loving is I'm pro Alien. I've never been that's crazy 818 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: and I'm crazy pro yep the I and I gotta 819 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: say like I'm xanomorep curious. 820 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 2: Animal questioning also also as well, well maybe maybe. 821 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 3: Jason, maybe you speak. 822 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 2: I think you're speaking of something quite interesting here too, 823 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 2: with the style of a substance. Is like if the 824 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 2: original Alien movie, which I do believe is like a 825 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 2: perfect movie, if that is so brilliant, has so much 826 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 2: to say about corporate kind of overreach and the way 827 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 2: working class people are used in blue collar jobs and 828 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 2: exploitation of bodies, then maybe Noah Hawley this time just 829 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 2: gets to make something incredibly stylish and entertaining and doesn't 830 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 2: have to be the one adding the juice, adding the depth, 831 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 2: adding the psychological exploration. 832 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 3: Because that is already there in the text. 833 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 2: I have also been reading a lot of reddits the 834 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 2: Alien hardcore fans are not loving how uncannon. This all 835 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 2: is like there are other corporations that were involved that 836 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 2: they haven't heard of. 837 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 3: There were governments. 838 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 2: But I believe, I trust that by the end of 839 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 2: this week are going to have a much more in 840 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 2: line because that's just the nature of what Disney and 841 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 2: twentieth century like nowadays. Kind of cannon. 842 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm very interested. 843 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 2: I think it's another fun, kind of rioteous episode. And 844 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 2: Carmen is a hardcore alien fan who knows the law. 845 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: She loves it. 846 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 3: Sucks with this show, she loves it. 847 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,919 Speaker 2: So, you know what, I'm excited what happens next because 848 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 2: this is a pretty crazy. 849 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: Episode, kind of like a Halloween or a Late Friday 850 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: the Thirteenth movie. I am simply like like salivating at 851 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: the reckoning. 852 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 5: I can't Yeah, every cavalier get killed, ready, we need 853 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 5: to see him, wait for him on the rest of 854 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 5: these fucking like uh animal experiment scientists like human vampires 855 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 5: to absolutely get ran through. 856 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: By some aliens. 857 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 4: I can't wait and contemplate this. Everyone thinks that they 858 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 4: stumbled upon the ship. He has not confided in anyone 859 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 4: that we've seen that. 860 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: That's a great like the guy I thought was like 861 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 2: his closest like Hench. 862 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,919 Speaker 4: He was like, yo, we should probably give the back Yeah. Yeah, 863 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 4: and then and then you know, the scientists obviously don't know. 864 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 4: So is he acting completely solo? Is this completely just 865 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 4: hid mission or again, are there additional members of the team. 866 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 4: We don't know about. 867 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 2: Additional interest from outside of Prodigy. That was great, Joel, 868 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. I appreciate you coming in 869 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 2: last minute. And you can't wait to talk pre round 870 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 2: table pre roundtable roundtable, can't wait to talk about this more, Okay, 871 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 2: and Joelle says she believed. I just want to say 872 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 2: common says she believes that he is being puppeted. 873 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 3: He is a puppet with Cavalier, the boy Cavalier is. 874 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 2: A puppetulated by am which makes a lot of sense. 875 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm still interested. I don't know. 876 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 3: I don't know who's puppetting him. 877 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 2: They definitely they did have a good moment last week 878 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 2: which a lot of people caught onto, which. 879 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 3: Was they miss quoted. 880 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,240 Speaker 2: They said it was like it it was an asthmav quote, 881 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 2: but it. 882 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 3: Was actually Arthur C. Clarke or the other way round. 883 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 2: So they're kind of playing into the ideas that he's 884 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 2: dumb and that he doesn't really know what he's talking 885 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 2: about and he's kind of a show off. 886 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, it will be interesting to see. 887 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 2: Only only three episodes left, guys, so very interesting to 888 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 2: see as we head towards the inevitable horrible death of 889 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 2: boy Cavalier fingers. 890 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 1: Ah looking forward to it. On the next episode of 891 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: X ray Vision, the ex Vision group Chat reconvenes to 892 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: determine the episode two and three of Peacemaker season two 893 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 1: live up to the highs of the first episode, what 894 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: legacy the conjuring series leaves in its horrific wake, and 895 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: whether or not to switch to is really an upgrade. 896 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye bye. 897 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie 898 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 899 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kletman. 900 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. 901 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack. 902 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 903 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 904 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 905 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 2: Heidi our disc called moderate, though