1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: The Fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Osier and NFL Network analyst 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jaguars. Everything's got to be about the future, 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: has got to be about tomorrow and bringing all that 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: into focus as we you know, attack the season. Huddle 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into the 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Huddle of podcast. It's Wednesday, May fourth, JP Shadrick with 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks and Jaguars dot Com 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: senior writer John Oser. Subscribe to the Official Jaguars podcast 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: network and give us a listen on the podcast page 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: at Jaguars dot com or on I Heart Radio, Apple, Spotify, 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: or wherever you download your podcasts. We're back on Wednesday 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: this week. The draft is over and John I must 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: say it was great to have Bucky and Jacksonville this 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: past weekend for our Jaguars dot Com coverage. He didn't nice. Yeah, 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, I kid Bucky, but uh I like the 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: coverage because of Bucky. The the depth of coverage and 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: the level of expertise was off the charts. And that's 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: the one nice thing I'll say about Bucky on the podcast. 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: You got that going for you, Buck, I appreciate that. 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Like, look, I had a lot of 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: had a lot of fun, and I will say what 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: was great was being able to get down and feel 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: the energy, Like one of the things that I missed 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: on on being on the media side was filling the 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: energy of being with the team and being connected and 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: so kind of filling the buzz that was going around 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: the building when the picks were coming in like that 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: was terrific. And then kind of reconnecting not only with 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: you guys, were reconnecting with the fan base and seeing 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: guys uh season ticket holders at the events and kind 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: of getting excited about all of that stuff. Was was 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: really really cool and I can't wait to get back 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: down to and do some more stuff. There was a 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: line at one point to get photographs with Bucky Brooks 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah. I mean it was a small line, 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: a line. It was a line. I'm just saying. I'm 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: not saying the length of line. Technically, I believe in 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: Webster's can be two people. I'm just saying there was 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: a line. That's all I'm saying that was great to 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: see though, great to have you here and outstanding to 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: have you on our coverage. So let's recap the draft class. John, 44 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: are you feeling better now? I know you were. I 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: forget the word you used after the first round pick. 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: I was irritated by the reaction. Yes, more than anything. 47 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: I think Bucky and Price speak to this probably better 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: than I can. The level of player that Trayvon Walker is. 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: My overall gripe was that Trayvon Walker was a perhaps 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: a surprise pick, and he was perhaps uh if you 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: had ranked the level of quote safeness out of the 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: top four or five, he's probably the third or fourth 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: safest pick. But there became this uh because of the 54 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: surprise of the pick. I'll put this way, Bucky, I 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: mean Bucky and JP. We went from a month ago 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: in the ozone. All I was getting with questions about, oh, 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Hutchinson didn't do anything against Georgia. How could they take Hutchinson? 58 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: He was awful against Georgia. John Well, then they turned 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: around and they passed on Hutchinson for Trayvon Walker, and 60 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: it was like they took a guy from you know, uh, 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Southwest Missouri state who was two hundred pounds to play 62 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: defensive end. This was not a Willie Nilly reach. And 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, if you go out in the league bare minimum, 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: he was the fifth or sixth. You know, he was 65 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a five or six pick. And I think 66 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: most consents of would Adam higher than that. So it 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: was just the whole idea that it was this huge reach, 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: this huge gamble. What in the world are they doing? 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't that far out there. No, it wasn't deaf 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: far either. I think the big thing um and look, man, 71 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: it is one of those things where it was a 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: bit of a surprise because us early in the process 73 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Trayvon's Walker's name was not tied. The conversation throughout the 74 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: fall and throughout the early part of the all season 75 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: was Aidan Hutchinson and Cabon Tipoo, Aidan Hudsonson and Cavon Tipodou. 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Then it was the offensive tackles Aidan Hudsonson and Thibodeaux. 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: And then the late comer to the party was Trayvon Walker. 78 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: And when Trayvon Walker shows up at the combine and 79 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: blows up at the combine, then the name really started 80 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: kind of heating up when you have people kind of 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: tying his name into the mock drafts and the Jaguars 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: and those things, and so it's not really Trayvon Walker's faut. 83 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: It's not the jaguars fault. That um, the outside might 84 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: not have been prevy to what the Jaguars were thinking 85 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: when it came to how they were ranking their prospects, 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: but I can say prior to the combine, the night 87 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: before and talking to people, and they're talking to people 88 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: that were close to the Jaguars, Trayvon Walker's name came up, 89 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: and they came up. It came up in terms of 90 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: his athleticism, his explosiveness and those things. And in fact 91 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: I challenged them on how could you say that this 92 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: guy is the best one in the draft when he 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have the production And they said, you watched the take. 94 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: The traits are there. You look at the explosionist, the 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: way he puts the splitting the ground changes, the rextins 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: and all those things. He hasn't been asked to be 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: a guy that goes and hunts the quarterback and so 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: you shouldn't necessarily ding him. And so that came from 99 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: a round table of D line coaches where I'm like, well, 100 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what about Hutchinson? What about this guy? 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: What about that guy? And they all to a man 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: pointed out that Trayvon Walker was the guy, and so um, 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: even though I felt like I was like I was 104 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: kind of blown away by the information back then and 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I was still real slow to warm to it, it 106 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise in NFL circles that this guy was 107 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: heating up, and so ultimately he'll get a chance to 108 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: prove it. And we should have probably more of a 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: positive or neutral to positive outlooked in a negative one 110 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: because we haven't seen him play and we haven't seen 111 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: the role that they're gonna put him in. What's his bucky? 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: Is it not a negative? Not Trayvon Walker? But say, 113 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: for example, he doesn't become a big sack guy. And 114 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: now by big sack guy, I mean you know a 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: twelve a year where you're thinking of him as both 116 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever gonna be that guy, 117 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: but what's his worst case scenario outside of that? Like, 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: who can he be if if he's not that? Because 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: I maintained he can still be worth that pick even 120 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: if it's not just monster sack leaning League in sacks 121 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: every year, So there are a couple of different ways 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: and he's not the same player. But I would say 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: that from an impact standpoint, if he never develops the 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: pass for his skills, there's no reason to think that 125 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: he can't have the similar impact to Javan Clowney and 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: what Jadevian Clowney and what he was able to do 127 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: with the Houston Texas. If you look at Jadevian Clowney, 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: Jadevion Clowney, maybe this year was the first year that 129 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: he got over double digit SAX and I'm being loose 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: with that, but I know he didn't have double digit 131 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: sex up until this season. Um, he was a guy 132 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: that was disruptive, though, on the backside of j A. 133 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Watt just destroying the run here, going to multiple Pro Bowls, 134 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: being a run destroy being able to accumulate a ton 135 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: of tackles for loss and those things. And so the 136 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: coordinators have to account for him for five, six, seven 137 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: years when you were there, Yeah, I mean, like you 138 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: you have to pay attention because he was so explosive 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: and disrupt if he would just completely blow up the 140 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: running game. Um, as a boiler in the China shop, 141 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: off the edge, Trayvon Walker can maybe be the same 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: heavy handed coming off the edge, being able to stack, 143 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: being able to kind of move and maneuver and blow 144 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: it up. Yes, then remember this, this division is one 145 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: that features big time bill cow running backs. You have 146 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry in Tennessee, you have Jonathan Taylor in Indianapolis. 147 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: And even though the league is shifting to a past 148 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: centric focus, you still gotta be able to stop the run. 149 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: And so everything that we've heard, even in listening to 150 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: the coaches at the press, that they talked about we 151 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: gotta stop the run, we gotta be physical, we gotta 152 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: impose our will. What Traymon Walkers certainly fits the bill 153 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: and checks the boxes when you ask the kind of 154 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: players that you want to assemble on defense. And so 155 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: we have to kind of keep a broad range of view. 156 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: It's easy to look at stats and sacks and say, hey, 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: this guy's have an impact on the game, but we 158 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: have to look and kind of feel his presence. If 159 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: we feel his presence based on the way he's blowing 160 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: up the run and those things, it's a positive. Especially 161 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: in this division. We know how important to run is. 162 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: In the a f C South with those other teams 163 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: and those running backs and JP I never were moving on. 164 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: But that's not just I looked to multiple people since 165 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: the draft. You say he has the skills to be 166 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: a pass rush I'm not saying that he won't be 167 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: that guy. When I ask that question, it's just, uh, 168 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: he hasn't done it yet. But everybody believes that he 169 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: has the hands, he has the quickness, he has those tools, 170 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: just has to develop them. It's gonna go see it 171 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: and that's why they're gonna focus someone outside linebacker to 172 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: begin things. The Devin Lloyd pick was, you know, fantastic 173 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: right when it happened, the big trade to move up 174 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: three picks, moved up into the twenty seventh overall selection, 175 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: major surprise, make that pick, and here we go. I 176 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,119 Speaker 1: mean after reviewing this a few days, Uh, my excitement 177 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: has not waned at all. I think it's grown. In fact, 178 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: since the draft. Bucky about what he can bring to 179 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: a defense. Yes, on the field, but in time, once 180 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: he gets established in the league, what he can bring 181 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: off the field for this Jaguars defense and this team 182 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: as a whole. I like this pick a whole whole lot. 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to La about the pick um. 184 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: You know a couple of things and this includes uh 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. Uh. The Jaguars really made a considered effort 186 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: to talk about football character, and I think it's important 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: that we distinguished football characters as opposed to more character. 188 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: More character is like doing right and wrong and all 189 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: those things that you do in life. Football character is 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: about like your work ethic, your toughness, your amendment level 191 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: to being a great football player. Is the energy and 192 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: effort that you bring to the field each and every day, 193 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: and how the energy and effort impacts your teammate. Well, 194 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: when you're in autom in the first round and you're 195 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: able to get a player who impacts the game like 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd has been able to impact the game where 197 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: his team at Utah, it speaks volumes. And I think 198 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, everyone we're talking about Trayvon Walker's inability to 199 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback or he hasn't put up big numbers. Well, 200 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: one thing that they haven't said is Den Lloyd is 201 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the guy that gets to the quarterback. Uh. In two seasons, 202 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: he's had over six and a half LUs sacks um 203 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: and in each of those years and he's been able 204 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: to do it in a variety of ways, where it's 205 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: coming off the edge with his hand down, where it's 206 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: coming from the second level. On blitzes, he gets to 207 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And the other thing that he does is 208 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: he is always around the ball. Look at the number 209 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: of interceptions, look at the attackles for laws, just a 210 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: number of disruptive plays. He's a guy who makes a 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: ton of splash plays. The comparison and I think it's 212 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: a very good comparison um to Darius Leonard is real. 213 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: Darius Leonard's impact on the Coast defense has been a 214 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: game changer. And so if Devin Lloyd can give the 215 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: Jaguars any of that, man, sign me up. Because this 216 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: is a player that he can be a monster, and 217 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: just depending on how they're gonna blitz and how they're 218 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: going to deploy him, I think he is going to 219 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: be a guy of it quickly not only becomes like 220 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: one of the leaders of the defense, but I think 221 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: he may be the most impact will play on the 222 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: defense based on the way that he's able to kind 223 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: of generate those slash quickly. John the stats from last 224 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: year hundred eleven tackles, twenty two tackles for loss, seven sacks, 225 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: four interceptions, six passes, defense, two touchdowns. Uh fum will recover. 226 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean the guys all over the place. Yeah, And 227 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: I said it all weekend. I think this guy is 228 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: going to immediately be a star in this town. He's 229 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: got that personality that is easy to embrace. This fan 230 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: base is gonna love And that's not why you take 231 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: a guy like that. But I'm just trying to sort 232 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: of give the context of I think what this guy 233 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be. Um. If this team gets good around 234 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, around what's going on. Uh, Devin Lloyd has 235 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: all the makings of being one of the faces of 236 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: the franchise for the next however number of years. I 237 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: wasn't sure about the pick when I first really saw it, 238 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: because it was a quick reaction. I had thought they 239 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: might move up to get receiver there. I kind of 240 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: wanted to ask Bucky about that. It seemed to me, 241 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: once I looked back at the draft, Buck, that the 242 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: receivers that you really felt good about to trade up for, 243 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: we're already gone at that point. I think they felt 244 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: differently about receiver than a lot of us did. Uh. 245 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: Outside anyway, But even if they had sort of had 246 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: in the back of their mind going and get into one. 247 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: It seemed like it was too far to move up 248 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: to get in that group. But I sort of think 249 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: that they liked this even over that, if that makes 250 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: any sense. Yeah, I do believe they like this over that. 251 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: And I believe a couple of things to talk about 252 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: your receiver question quickly, um guys that come out of 253 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: this system, Doug Peterson, Andy Reid, Mike Holgren having been 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: up in Green Bay, UM, I mean San Francisco, that 255 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: the originators of the system believe that you do not 256 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: need a level players on the perimeter for this system 257 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: to work, and work at a high level major that's 258 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, it's it's a major factor. Like yeah, ideally, yeah, 259 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: if you can have a Jerry Rice type to be 260 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: able to do it, great. But if you go back 261 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: and look at um, Mic Homegroom and the Packers and 262 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: when they went to the Super Bowl, when Doug Peterson 263 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: and I were there, it was Robert Brooks, it was 264 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman, uh, Andrea Risen came later, but it wasn't 265 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: there wasn't a cast of stars. Go back and look 266 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: at the Kansas City Chiefs teams that Doug Peterson was 267 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: offensive coordinated with when Andy Reid was there. Those wide 268 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: receivers were just guys. It wasn't like high level star players. 269 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: They were effective, They work within the system and it 270 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: was great. Even in looking at how Doug won the 271 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Philadelphia, those receivers were not Markey top 272 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: five receivers. And so the system creates opportunities and if 273 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback is efficient and effective, the offense works. And 274 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: so with that, uh in mind, I'm sure that had 275 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: been talked about inside those rooms. Um, and we got 276 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Christen Kirby has eight Jones with Marvin Jones. That triumphant 277 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: is good enough for us to get it done. Now, 278 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: let's focus on building up the defense because the defense 279 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: has to play at a level to give you an 280 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to win games. And so with Devin Lloyd being 281 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: able to come in there, having tradmon Walker, and I'm 282 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: gonna mention Chad Muma along with Devin Lloyd because I 283 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: think they come in pairs. Um, Chad movement as impressive 284 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: as Devin Lloyd stat line is. Chad moment stat line 285 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: is just as impressive. And when you think about the 286 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: kind of player that I believe he is. He was 287 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: a top five player that I ranked at as an 288 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: off the ball linebacker. He's a player that is very 289 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: comparable to Logan Wilson, who plays in Cincinnati, was a 290 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: starter on the team that went to the Super Bowl. 291 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: I would say that this guy is even better in 292 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: certain aspects, and so I don't know how they're gonna 293 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: get him on the field. But the combination of Devin 294 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: Lloyd and Chad MoMA, like if you could have told 295 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: me that before the draft, I was like, that's a 296 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: wish list for a defensive coordinator. You got two instinctive, 297 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: active guys that can do a variety of different things 298 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: against the run and pass, and they're both high football 299 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: I Q guys, Bucky, Um, how will they get those 300 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: two guys in the field they can play together? I 301 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: asked you about this after the draft because think it's 302 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: it's a big point. I agree with you with these 303 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: two guys. Uh, They all of a sudden look faster 304 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: and more athletic defensively to me, And it's been a 305 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: long time since you could say that. Um, But it 306 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: feels to me like the versatility of Uh, Trayvon Walker 307 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: and of these two linebackers completely changes that the dynamic 308 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: of this defense where we could look back on this 309 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: draft as a key turning point for this defense. But 310 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: how do they get all those guys on the field 311 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: to matter at the same time creativity and so a 312 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: lot of this will tap into the creativity of the 313 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: defensive staff. Um Mike always has to look and see 314 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: all the different tool sets that he has available, and 315 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: then he has to figure out what dominations cannot put 316 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: on the field. And so we're so conditioned to think 317 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: about defenses in four or three and three or four terms, 318 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: but the game is played in sub packages. So now 319 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: normally when we think of sub packages, we traditionally think 320 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: of four down linemen, two linebackers, five dbs. That's your 321 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: standard four man nickel package. Well, there's some teams that 322 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: are being creative where you go three, three, five, three 323 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: d lineman, three linebackers, five dbs. Sometimes you may want 324 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: to go to four or five where you have two 325 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: d lineman, you have four line linebackers that can move 326 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: around and kind of prowl and do a bunch of 327 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: different things, and then you have five dbs and what 328 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: you want to do is you can run the same 329 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: basically what I call blitz patterns with different personnel on 330 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: the field and give the offense a different look while 331 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: keeping it fairly simple for your guys. You just interchanging 332 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: the pieces um that you're using. So I think you 333 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: have to tap into the creativity. But I would expect 334 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: to see the three linebackers that have been acquired in 335 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: the off season, the marquee free agent sign and in 336 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: the two draft picks. They have to be on the 337 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: field in those critical downs because those guys are in 338 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: BacT players. He got them for a reason. JP. Yeah, 339 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I gotta play at some point. I mean, especially that 340 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: high uh in the draft. This is the Huddle Up 341 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: Podcast JP, Shaddrick, Bucky Brooks, and John Osier. Check out 342 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: the rest of our draft coverage on Jaguars dot Com, 343 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: including Luke Fortner, Snoop Connor, Gregory Jr. And Montark Brown. 344 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: The other Jaguars draft picks, and a listing of all 345 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: the undrafted players who have been signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars. 346 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: Some other news this week, Cam Robinson signed his extension. 347 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: His reaction and a media conference call earlier this week, 348 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: it kind of shows me to you know, everything I've 349 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: been putting into this. It's you know, it's kind of 350 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: starting to come to fruition. It's kind of starting to 351 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: pay off. Um, far from from where I want to be, 352 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it's definitely I think we can. I 353 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: think I can myself as a player and knows as 354 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: a team, take it even take it even higher and 355 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: just kind of continue to build on where we're starting 356 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: this year. So, I mean, I'm just excited and from 357 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: my family, Okay, I mean, it's hard for me to 358 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: even put it into words. You know, it's a blessing. 359 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: This is the things you've been working toward since you 360 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: were you know, I'm saying a kid playing in little 361 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: league or whenever you start playing the game. So, I mean, 362 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of surreal, but it's definitely an awesome moment 363 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: from myself and my family. Cam Robinson and the the Jaguars 364 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: left tackle another three years. Pro Football Talk had the 365 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: breakdown of the contract. The signing bonus of fifteen million, 366 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: the base salary this year, two million full year, and 367 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: teed so that opens up some cap space. Uh, there's 368 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: a per game roster bonus of seven hundred forty four 369 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: grand a game. Apparently, base salary next year of sixteen 370 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: million workout bonuses. I mean, all this stuff adds up, 371 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's certainly certainly has he had a big 372 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: smile on his face, Bucky, that's for sure. So uh 373 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: So it's solidified he's gonna be here the next few 374 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: years and you can build some things on the offensive 375 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: line around him Bucky. Yeah, you can't build things of 376 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: on to him. And I think they've done a really 377 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: good job of building up this offensive line. Uh you 378 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: look at resigning Cam uh fre agency, bringing over rent 379 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: as Shuff, the draft, Luke Forward coming over. They've made 380 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: it a point to give Trevor Lawrence enough protection for 381 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: him to do what he wants to do. Uh in 382 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: the pocket, and they also be able to run the football. 383 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: Cam Robinson was critical because he's played in the level 384 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: that you don't want to let that kind of production 385 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: and talent walk out of the door. Now, I would 386 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: say the challenges can you take it up and not 387 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: you play at all star level. It's one thing to 388 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: play as a high end starter, to play on a 389 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: franchise tag and earn your money. It's another thing to 390 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: take your game up to where you perform at an 391 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: all star level. But the Jaguars to be the team 392 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: that they want to be down the line, he has 393 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: to play at an all star level, something I probably overlooked. 394 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: J p h And I'm not sure. We talked about 395 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: it a whole lot this weekend. But after you sort 396 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: of let the draft resonate a little bit, Um, you 397 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: look back in the entire off season, and I thought 398 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: they might go offense a little bit more in the draft. 399 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: But then when you look at the draft and free agency, 400 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: you signed to wide receivers, signed Christian Kirkin's a Jones, 401 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: You signed Evan Ingram, you signed Brandon Schurf. So uh, Sheriff, 402 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: I apologize, Um, well everybody all the questions I get 403 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: or why didn't they help Travery? Why didn't help Trevor? Um? 404 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: To me, it's pretty clear now in retrospect, you helped 405 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: Trevor with veteran guys. You put veteran guys around the 406 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: young quarterback. Uh. That's a little different than a lot 407 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: of teams build. Some teams believe you build your offense 408 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: with youth and let it come together grows. Yeah, but 409 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: we've sort of seen that approach around here. We're trying 410 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: to get young guys to collectively grow. Without that experience, 411 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't it Sonimes doesn't work. It didn't work for 412 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: the offense when they tried to do it thirteen fourteen ish, 413 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, with three wide receivers and young Blake and 414 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: they never quite came together. Uh. When I say an 415 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: experience was why Maybe he was talent whatever, but the 416 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: point being they clearly taking the approach of putting veteran 417 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: guys around the young quarterback. That was their approach to 418 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: help him, as opposed to, uh, you know, a young 419 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: left tackle and a young one wide receiver. Everybody's trying 420 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: to develop it once he had a bunch of kids, 421 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: raw kids making mistakes, and then they built on defense. 422 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I've got to think that now going forward, they hope 423 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: to be building this thing together for a long time. 424 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: As time moves on and Trevor gets to your three, 425 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: then I think you'll start seeing them bring a young 426 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: players in around him once he gets the ability to 427 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: carry young guys. Maybe that's how they'll approach it. But 428 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: I think there's something to that, Bucky. I think they 429 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: wanted to bring in veterans to help the young guy 430 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: as opposed to rookies to be around the young guy. 431 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: The writer. The writer is pretty smart over there. The 432 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: writer is pretty smart because because the observation, the observation 433 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: is a good one, and I will expand upon the 434 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: observation and say this. The younger the quarterback, the more 435 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: experienced around the quarterback for him to develop. Trevor Lawrence 436 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: is on a path. When you take a quarterback like that, 437 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: what you hope is they start their NFL career as 438 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: a game manager and they evolve into being the playmaker. 439 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: And so as he's going through the evolution of being 440 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: a game manager, the early part of the game management 441 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: people where he's learning the game, how to manage the 442 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: game and do those things, you want experience around him 443 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: because the most important thing you want to give him 444 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: is stability, and that stability comes in the form of reliability. Dependability, 445 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: so we can develop trust. Okay, this receiver is gonna 446 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: run the route at twelve yards, I'm gonna drop back 447 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw it to this spot. And this 448 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: receiver is going to do that because I can trust 449 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: that as an as a veteran, he's going to do 450 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: exactly what's been uh talked about in the huddle in 451 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: meeting rooms. As Trevor evolves two year, three, four or five, 452 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: and as the money changes based on how he performs, 453 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: as he becomes a forty million dollar quarterback and you're 454 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: entrusting more to him to be the driving force of 455 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the offense. Then you bring young guys in because they're younger, 456 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: they're cheaper. But then it's on him to help those 457 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: guys developed by putting the ball consistently in the strikes 458 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: on tutoring them, telling them this is how I want 459 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: those routes to be run, etcetera, etcetera. So John is 460 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: absolutely right in terms of the process and how it 461 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: should go, and that's what you're seeing Doug Peterson. Remember, 462 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: we have more quarterback gurus around now that not only 463 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: coach it, but have played it and played it between 464 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: the lines at the NFL level. They understand the challenges 465 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: that are associated with that when you don't have trustworthy 466 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: guys on the perimeter and in front, because it makes 467 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: life harder for the quarterback and I have to manage 468 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: everything when he can't. He can't just go through and 469 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: play and play free and loose. There is no shorts 470 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: of quarterback guru in the building. You got that right. 471 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: Let you say that again. They have cornered the mark 472 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: they have. The Jaguars are future focused and ready for 473 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: a new look in join us in the bank this 474 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: season as head coach Doug Peterson and quarterback Trevor Lawrence 475 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: lead the charge. Lock in your seats at Jaguars dot Com. 476 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: Slash tickets were called nine oh four six three three, 477 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: two thousand London calling after this. Welcome back to the 478 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osan, 479 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: The Daily's Place schedule red hot this week. John will 480 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: be at probably all of these Thursday May five, Tim 481 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: McGraw Friday May six, Erica badouin Friends Saturday May seventh, 482 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: The Offspring Sunday May eight. The time tickets and information 483 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: at Daily's Place dot Com time him. They said, time 484 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: like Morris Day back in the day, that we're bringing 485 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: in purple. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, Yeah, You're 486 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: just you're gonna be the offspring. John. I I was 487 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: intrigued by it, and you know, they were a little 488 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: past my era. I liked some of their songs. I 489 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: can't see going to the whole show it. I like 490 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: the Offspring. I don't know if that's my scene. Okay, 491 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: well you go. There's more concerts to come this summer 492 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: and spring. Looking forward a big time rush about later 493 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: in June time. I think we all are. The Jaguars 494 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: have added a player from the International Pipeline IO. Oh yeah, 495 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: Lol is joining the Jaguars via the International Player Pathway program. 496 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: He was introduced to football at the University of Nottingham 497 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: and the UK. Graduated in twenties twenty with a law 498 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: Degree's twenty three years old. Was in the Player Pathway 499 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: training phase, but not allocated in one. He was in 500 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: the CFL last year on a practice squad. Bucky, you 501 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: know a little more about this program, I think then 502 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: a lot of folks might. Honestly, I honestly didn't really 503 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: realize this was a thing. The Jaguars have this guy 504 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: here in the offseason. He has the chance now to 505 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: be on the practice squad as an extra practice squad 506 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: member in the regular season. Yeah, Like, teams jump on 507 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: this because it gives you the opportunity to have an 508 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: extra player on your roster and it doesn't really cost 509 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: you anything. And so now you get an extra body. Um, 510 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: it allows you to kind of free up some things 511 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to you veteran players, maybe you don't 512 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: have to text him as much on scout team while 513 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: maybe developing an international player. This International Pathway program, it's 514 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: part of a big initiative for the league to grow 515 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: the game globally, and so in the UK there is 516 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: an International Academy where guys from foreign countries come together 517 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: and they work with NFL caliber coaches to develop their skills, um, 518 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: to become ready, uh to make the interests into the league. 519 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: Through this program. Some of these guys have been up, 520 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: uh they've been tested like combine tested and all this 521 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: other stuff, so they could be potential draft picks or 522 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: they come into the league like this. We've seen other guys. 523 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: Um there's a rugby player Christian Wade who went up 524 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: to Buffalo a season go had an opportunity. All these 525 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: guys are kind of the international players that we're seeing. 526 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: We've seen a handful of success stories with this program. 527 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: So it's really really big and as the league continues 528 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: to grow and expand globally, we will see more guys 529 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: get opportunities. And this International Pathway program is an interest 530 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: way into the national football But you said off the air, 531 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: it's really become big or there is a movement for 532 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: the Nigerian players. Correct, Yeah, So NFL Africa just announced 533 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: that they're um going to do some things. Uh they're 534 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: like maybe putting an academy and really mind the talent. 535 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: Osi Uman Eura is a big part of that program. 536 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: But if you just look at the draft and look 537 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: at some of the guys that have come through the 538 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: last two years, you've seen a pipeline of Nigerian descendant 539 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: players go to make their way. Much like Yana and 540 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: Gokway has success in the league. There a ton of 541 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: Nigerians that are beginning to impact the league and so 542 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: um the league has expanded and they're looking to see 543 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: if they're more they can make opportunity to create more 544 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: opportunities for those guys to make it to the league. 545 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: And so it's really been a great thing. As a 546 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: game is growing and growing globally, we're seeing more guys 547 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: have access to the game and that's a good thing, 548 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, something the leagues had to do because it's 549 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: it's it's such a different sport to try to grow 550 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: internationally than baseball or basketball because of all the where 551 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: do you find competition to play for players. It's a 552 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: hard thing to play. It's not going to happen just 553 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: organically without help from up top. So uh, you know, 554 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: credit to the league, and it's it's starting to move quickly. 555 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: So congratulations to defensive back Io oh yea Low Low. 556 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: He will join the Jaguars actually for rookie Minicamp next weekend. 557 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: He'll be on the field with the rookies. Can still 558 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: run around a little bit. By the way, The league 559 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: had their international games announcement earlier on Wednesday, including the 560 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: Jaguars hosting the Denver Broncos. That's at nine thirty Eastern 561 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: time October. That's officially one thirty London time. The time 562 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: falls back in London on that day, the final Sunday 563 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: of October each year. So former Jaguars offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, 564 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: now the head coach of the Broncos, Russell Wilson coming 565 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: to Wembley to face the Jags, and uh, it's out there, 566 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: it's announced now. So looking forward to being back at Wembley, John, Yeah, 567 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: and uh maybe I will be. I realized this morning 568 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this game. I think it's 569 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: been since twenty nineteen that I've been to Wembley, so 570 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: that was money. We didn't do it because COVID. It 571 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: was the Texans game and the Jaguars turned the ball 572 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: over on the final four possessions of the game, trying 573 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: to fight back against the Texans. Yeah, that was one 574 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: of many pleasant memories from that year. But um, but 575 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 1: it it would be good to be back. I mean 576 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: it's uh, I didn't go this last year. Did you 577 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: go this year? None of none of us went. Um, 578 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: so back in London, I'm I'm assuming I'll be back. 579 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to You think Bucky the Broncos, Jaguars, 580 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the Adam gots this revenge game again. I mean, you 581 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: know he was a Bronco before he was the Jaguar. 582 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: He resigned with the Jags, by the way. Yeah, this 583 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: is ah, this is interesting. It to be interesting because 584 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: you get opportunity to go against Russell Wilson and see 585 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: all that other stuff. See this high powered team that 586 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: people are celebrating. Some f touted as a team that 587 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: might be worthy of Super Bowl consideration. So it'd be 588 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: a great test. It would be another measuring state game. 589 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: It would be a chance to kind of see it. Uh, 590 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: across the pond. See what it looks like. It's the 591 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Nate Hacket is the Nate Hackett game. And uh yeah, 592 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: by Nay Hackett. I'm excited for Nate. I mean it. 593 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Nate always have music around, because I saw that. He 594 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: says he can't run a practice without music being around. 595 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: He has to have the energy. In the book, there 596 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: was music. There was music. So yeah, there was music. 597 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: It was music. You couldn't hear yourself think on the 598 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: practice field here, so yes, there music. The other international 599 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: games two more games in London earlier than the Jaguars 600 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: October two, the Vikings and the Saints at Spurs and 601 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: the Giants and the Packers also at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. 602 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: That's on October nine. And then a game of Munich 603 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: at Allien's Arena, home of FC Bayern Munich. It's November 604 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: and it's the Seahawks and the Buccaneers. And then in 605 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: Mexico City November twenty one on Monday Night football at 606 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: a Stadio as Teca. It's the forty nine Ers and 607 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. So five international games this year, and of 608 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: course the Jaguars are back at Wembley Stadium later. The 609 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: better in the season London for a j P That's 610 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: just always been my thing. There was one year they 611 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: had it like two weeks four Thanksgiving. Some reason I 612 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: loved that. I don't know. I don't know why. Now 613 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: we'll see when the bye week is a lot of 614 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: times it's right after the London game. The official schedule 615 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: comes out May twelve years. I've heard it's the lock. 616 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a guarantee. And the one 617 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: year that the Jaguars played after it, they played in 618 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: New York the next week against the Jets and lost 619 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: an overtime to the Jets. But that was the year 620 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: they made the NFC Championship games. Yes it was, Yes, 621 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: it was. That was probably why. That's yeah, they didn't 622 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: have to buy it. It might have been, uh, coming 623 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: up Jaguars Happy Hour Thursday. Ashelan Sullivan in this week 624 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: for the show Tomorrow Night, Bucky, what you got coming 625 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: up now? Drafts over what happens now? Well, finishing up 626 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: the last few shows, a path to the draft and 627 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: so you know you got a standpoint. Just finished strong 628 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: and it make sure we finished past the finish line 629 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: the right way. And then after that, guys Mini Camp 630 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: season's time to go to minicamp. Let go make some 631 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: appearances as mini camps. He was going on, see how 632 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: the young guys are progressing. And then you get the O, T, 633 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: A S and all that other stuff, and then we 634 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: get the official Veterans mini camp at the end. Now, 635 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: this Bucky is John Osan's favorite part of the NFL offseason, 636 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: the month ahead of There's nothing I love more than 637 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: a good ot a practice. But I I love it. 638 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: I love it. John. You know it's surprised. I might 639 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: just I just might. I might just pop up out 640 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: the ground just so I can see. I would love 641 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: to see you. We would talk, but come on, yeah, 642 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: you gotta do it. But on the field, it's a 643 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: classroom time a year. You're not Oh no, John, John, 644 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: you didn't become you become an a level writer by 645 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: not writing. I'm a better writer by writing every day. 646 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: It's the same thing in football. The only way you 647 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: can get a football is doing football. To put your 648 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: feet in the grass, sir, come on, okay, grass is okay, 649 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: grass is you come on, the grass is your classroom. 650 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: We gotta get him out there, get him going. Okay, 651 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll look I'll look for maybe you can teach me 652 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: something tonight on it. It's always possible, or it's actually 653 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: very possible. Come on, like, we get out there, bring 654 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: your cleats, bring your cleats, we'll go to ot a 655 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: friends with a cleat, so ready to go. Imagine John Os, 656 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: you're wearing clee like, probably that's what we're ready to go. 657 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: Never know there would be a slip and fall accident 658 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: in the hall of On that note, let's call it 659 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: a podcast today. Listen to all our pods on the 660 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: podcast page on Jaguars dot com or the Official Jaguars 661 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: Podcast Network on I Heart Radio, Apple, Spotify, or wherever 662 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: you download your podcast. Leave us a comment and a 663 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: five star rating for Bucky Brooks, John Ozer, and Joe 664 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: port Gnado. I'm J. P. Shaddick. We'll catch you next 665 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: time on the Huddle Up Podcast