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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Christy Newton. Chrissy is the

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Speaker 4: partner podcaster and director of Media at The Debrief, as

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Speaker 4: well as the co host of the Discovery Channel TV

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Speaker 4: show Alien Encounters Factor Fiction. She's also the owner of

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Speaker 4: an award winning pr firm called Vocab Communications. She's a

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Speaker 4: Canadian and she has appeared at Contact in the Desert

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Speaker 4: as a speaker. Hey, Chrissy, how you doing. How's the

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Speaker 4: Great White North today?

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Speaker 5: It's good? How are you Ron?

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Speaker 4: I'm good. Luckily I got out of Cleveland and just

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Speaker 4: came back from the holiday to get back to LA

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Speaker 4: where it's nice and warm. But my mom in Cleveland

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Speaker 4: is getting a bunch of snow today. They got that

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Speaker 4: big storm rolling through.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had snow out here, but in Toronto it's

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Speaker 5: pretty light, so we're lucky for that. We were chatting

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Speaker 5: before this saying that because of the lake effect and

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Speaker 5: the pollution in Chrono, there's not as much. But I'm jealous.

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Speaker 5: You're in LA. You're in like the sun, nice.

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Speaker 4: And warm right now. You have been really dry here.

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Speaker 4: It's been really nice. So you're hosting this co hosting

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Speaker 4: this new show with Mitch Horowitz on the Discovery Channel

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Speaker 4: called Alien Encounters Factor Fiction. Can you tell us how

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Speaker 4: that works? Because it's kind of a different kind of

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Speaker 4: a show where where you guys hear a first person

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Speaker 4: account from an experiencer and then you weigh that testimony

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Speaker 4: along with some scientific data and you try to uncover

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Speaker 4: you know, how strong a particular case may or may

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Speaker 4: not be. Tell us how that that kind of works.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, it's got that Eighties Murphy Polvich was

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Speaker 5: his name the the eighties, like talk show host. It's

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Speaker 5: got a little bit, Yeah, Marek Plovich, I know that.

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Speaker 4: It's sure.

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Speaker 5: It's an underlying feeling of, you know, who's the dad

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Speaker 4: The dad?

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Speaker 5: Who's the dad is showing the DNA test and the results.

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Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, myself and Mitch Horowitz, I look

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Speaker 5: at it from more of a data perspective. Mitch looks

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Speaker 5: at from more of an esoteric perspective. And so what

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Speaker 5: we do is we talk to somebody who's had a

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Speaker 5: UFO experience or any type of experience. It could be Bigfoot,

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Speaker 5: or it could be an alleged abduction, and we talk

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Speaker 5: to them. They do bring in some type of evidence

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Speaker 5: their testimony and then we come to some type of

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Speaker 5: can't say if an abduction, for say, but if it

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Speaker 5: again like these are all opinions, you know, I do

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Speaker 5: and the people that we're working with are unbelievable and

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Speaker 5: like you name it. We've got on this team. So

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Speaker 5: a fun show. Some people might say it's controversial in

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Speaker 4: You know, it's great that you're able to dig and

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Speaker 4: have discovery channel behind you that could fund testing an implant,

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Speaker 4: your disposal. Must be really fun for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is fun for sure, having a budget, a

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Speaker 4: It's like shopping. I used to be a personal assistant.

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Speaker 5: For sure, and then also answering questions that we all

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Speaker 5: He's such a lovely soul, he really is. He is.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that aluminum is like the third

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Speaker 5: Right, Yes, I do. Yeah, we use every technology that

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Speaker 5: And I'm also in this space writing about it, talking

433
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Speaker 5: about it, doing shows about it, and it's also challenging

434
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Speaker 5: for me at times. So I can I totally understand

435
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 5: why Debbie down the Street probably thinks it's AUOFO because

436
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 5: she's never been taught how to understand how to identify things. Gosh,

437
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 5: pilots can't even do it that well at times, right,

438
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 5: because technology is advancing so fast. Right, they confuse starlink occasionally, Right,

439
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 5: A lot of commercial airline pilots did, because who was

440
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Speaker 5: telling them how to identify it? The FAA wasn't, Starlink wasn't,

441
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 5: the government wasn't, so nobody was, so they were on

442
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Speaker 5: their own. So that's kind of where we're left. But

443
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 5: the question is is if you don't want to believe

444
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 5: the facts, then why do you want to believe so

445
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 5: badly about something that we can prove.

446
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Speaker 4: I'd like to have this Debbie on the show I do.

447
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Speaker 5: I always use de Wie down the Street, down the street,

448
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 5: and I like it Debbie down the Street, Yeah, because

449
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 5: I always worry sometimes about Debbie down the Street when

450
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 5: I talk about or re report things at the debreath

451
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Speaker 5: who want to tell the correct stories and want to

452
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Speaker 5: have proper journalism, you do care how the story's told

453
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 5: and the facts, making sure that they're totally concrete so

454
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 5: that you have major proof to back it, so you

455
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 5: don't leave somebody making them believe something that might not

456
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 5: be true. If you've screwed up or done an accident.

457
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Speaker 5: So that's why journalism is so important, because it can

458
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Speaker 5: change how people view themselves and the world around.

459
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Speaker 4: Them, no doubt about it. When we come back, we're

460
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Speaker 4: going to talk to Christy Moore. You're listening to Beyond

461
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Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

462
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Speaker 4: podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain

463
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Speaker 4: Ron and I'm talking with Christy Newton. Christy, there's been

464
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Speaker 4: a lot happening in Congress lately. You know, we've had

465
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Speaker 4: these hearings. We just had some recent hearings in November

466
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Speaker 4: here in the States, and I understand they're already talking

467
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Speaker 4: about having more. All of this is great.

468
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Speaker 5: Right I think so. Yeah, I think it's good in

469
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Speaker 5: many reasons. It's way waking up the government to saying, hey,

470
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Speaker 5: you know, we look again at the drone flap that

471
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Speaker 5: was going on at the end of last year and saying, hey,

472
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Speaker 5: if foreign advisary the government really doesn't know what's going on,

473
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Speaker 5: and let's be honest, they do know. It'd be shocked

474
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Speaker 5: to see if Intel didn't know. So I don't think

475
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Speaker 5: that's the case, So I would say then, yeah, it's

476
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Speaker 5: waking up government. And the reason why I'm saying that

477
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 5: is most of the time when government might be lacking

478
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Speaker 5: in many different ways. And so there's this conversation of

479
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Speaker 5: we need to advance science and technology, we need to

480
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Speaker 5: push it forward, and government is lagging right now. Or

481
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Speaker 5: we're seeing that within the RAND reports that are going

482
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Speaker 5: on that China has a supremacy on quantum computing, which

483
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Speaker 5: is like petrifying, right, and then they have the drone

484
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Speaker 5: supremacy as well. So there's so much that foreign adversaries

485
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Speaker 5: have advantages on when it comes to technological development and

486
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Speaker 5: scientific development, and so it's waking up the government and

487
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 5: Congress is waking up as well because we're saying, hey,

488
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 5: this could be foreign adversary which is so important for

489
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Speaker 5: national security, and we need to wake up because our

490
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 5: science needs to pick up, and we also need to

491
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Speaker 5: be aware that this is happening in our own airspaces.

492
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Speaker 5: And then we've got this other side where we're going, well,

493
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 5: if it isn't any of that, then we need to

494
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 5: start asking some really deeper questions about why we're here

495
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 5: and what is going on and what does this mean?

496
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 5: Because that one percent is still there and it's not

497
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 5: going away, and there's people that have been affected, and

498
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 5: people are apparently dying if you believe in David what

499
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 5: David Grush is saying, and louel Is isondo. So there's

500
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: some other serious outcomes, But again they're coming together in Congress.

501
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 5: These hearings wake up the government and they wake up

502
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 5: the public because people take it more seriously, and people

503
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Speaker 5: that are more likely not to maybe follow it because

504
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 5: they feel that if they work in finance or whatever,

505
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 5: it's just not in their scope, they're starting to come

506
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 5: in because major outlets are talking about it, because politics

507
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 5: is talking about it, and that's really exciting.

508
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Speaker 4: What do you think is next in the US. Do

509
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Speaker 4: you think that we're going to get new legislation, maybe

510
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Speaker 4: a stronger version of the UAPC from twenty twenty three

511
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Speaker 4: that puts back in all the strength of that bill,

512
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Speaker 4: or maybe even a whistleblower protection Do you see that

513
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: coming either of those?

514
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have like whistle blower protection now, But I

515
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 5: think it's the Democrats and the Republicans have to get

516
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 5: their act together and agree on things. That's where we're

517
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Speaker 5: at right now, I believe, And something tell me if

518
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 5: I'm wrong but they need to start agreeing and stop

519
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: making it the political. And I know everyone's like, this

520
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 5: is bipartisan, and I understand that, but it is getting

521
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 5: political when you see that. You know that last hearing

522
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Speaker 5: it was all Republicans. There's no Democrats showing up at

523
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Speaker 5: the table.

524
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Speaker 4: Everything is political now, and I just can't even stand.

525
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Speaker 5: It, right. And that's the point where it's like, Okay,

526
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: people are not saying, they're like, oh, it's not political.

527
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, yeah it is. Also, there was an

528
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Speaker 5: election going on, so let's be honest.

529
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Speaker 4: And I'm gone, as political now.

530
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Speaker 5: Well everything is political and so UFOs. Yeah, it's it's

531
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 5: underlying political right now, because you're looking at this the legislation.

532
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: If they're not agreeing, first of all, people aren't showing

533
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: up in Congress for these debates. They're thinking it's a

534
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 5: Republican thing, it's not a democratic thing. They're now moving

535
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 5: on to the next topic and they don't care that's political.

536
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 5: If they're not agreeing on past bills and people are

537
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: fighting it, it's become political. So it will always be

538
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: political to some degree. But I think if you want

539
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: things to change in legislation, for sure, whistleblowers and people

540
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 5: that are working in former government and Pentagon, or people

541
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: that have had experiences that have a major, a really

542
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: great soniority can come forward. At some point it will change.

543
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: It takes civilians and people to do that. So we

544
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Speaker 5: keep doing that, and there are Americans for Safe Aerospace

545
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 5: like Ryan Graves is not for profit. Those types of

546
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 5: committees and people are start pushing the kneel forward, then

547
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: it's never going to go away and it'll stop making

548
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Speaker 5: it political.

549
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Speaker 4: To me, it's almost like if it has to be political,

550
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Speaker 4: then you think that they would each be fighting to

551
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: get to the bottom of this. You would want to

552
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 4: be the party that discloses or that broke this free

553
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: and was transparent with the American people. You know, you'd

554
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: win votes for the next twenty years. You would think

555
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: they'd be fighting for that. It's just so weird stupid.

556
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Speaker 5: If one party does something, then the other party has

557
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 5: to do exactly the direct opposite, which makes no sense.

558
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 5: It's like sometimes middle theory is a thing middle, you know,

559
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 5: having an agreeance on one thing makes moves and changes

560
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 5: people's lives and changes political out comes in countries. We

561
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 5: have to stop being like, well, if they do this,

562
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 5: then I'm going to go do the exact opposite thing.

563
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 5: It's just so child I can't throw.

564
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: At it and not even stand it. So if we

565
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 4: got strong legislation, let's say that the original UAP Act

566
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: gets back in place in America, and or additional security

567
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: clearance protection for whistleblowers who have still said they can't

568
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 4: really come out because of their NDAs and whatnot. I

569
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: feel like they're just going to find another way to

570
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: bury it. They're going to hide it somewhere else. They're

571
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: going to put it behind some other wall, and we're

572
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: not going to get to it anyway. That's my opinion.

573
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Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, I think you're right. I

574
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: think we've seen that traditionally for over seventy five years

575
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 5: or one hundred years. We've seen it consistently, So I

576
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: think that, yes, there is that small group of people.

577
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Speaker 5: And we've heard that from everyone that's pretty much worked

578
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: in counterintelligence or the UAP ask Force or a tip

579
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 5: have all said that there's a small group within government

580
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 5: that are looking to cover this and bury it. And

581
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: I think there's always going to be that, right, Let's

582
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: just hope that group gets smaller and smaller and smaller

583
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: as time goes by, and again, this phenomenon will always

584
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 5: show itself in different ways. We've seen it evolve gosh,

585
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 5: since Roswell, since the early forties and fifties, we've seen

586
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 5: it move and evolve all the way down from like

587
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 5: nineteen forty seven and upwards. So I think the same

588
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: thing's going to happen. I don't know if or where

589
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 5: we're going to come to an agreements, but there might

590
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 5: be something that of a disclosure in it. If we're

591
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 5: not living through disclosure now, and I do think we are,

592
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 5: that some form of moment or event might happen, right,

593
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: because that's the only other outcome that could possibly be.

594
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: Because I think government will always do what it's doing

595
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: and put it through biocracy no matter what. But I'm

596
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: just hoping that group does get smaller over the years.

597
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: I believe that it's so much more complex than people

598
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: realize too. It's not like as easy as well here

599
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: it is, we got the bodies and you can't just

600
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: do that. It's much more complex than everybody needs to

601
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: settle down. Like people just think that's that easy. It's

602
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: it's not. Can I ask you about how's Canada's government

603
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: different attitude wise than the US with regard to UAP.

604
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 5: For sure, we are so quiet over here. We're always

605
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 5: like that, you know. As much as I love being

606
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 5: a Canadian. And we're all North Americans, right, that's what

607
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 5: we are. We're all the same continent. So we're all

608
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 5: very similar with just subtle differences. I would just say

609
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 5: that Canadians are very quiet, and we're always like that.

610
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 5: We're very conservative. And I don't mean that in a

611
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 5: political way. I mean in just our lifestyle. We're very

612
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 5: conservative with our.

613
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 4: You know you are you're nice. Canadians are nice sometimes.

614
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 5: Okay, So here's the reel thing about Canadians. We're just

615
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 5: passive aggressive.

616
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: You haven't the years.

617
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: That's what it is. Canadians are just passive aggressive. And

618
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: I say that as a Canadian. You know, we most Canadians,

619
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: and that's what we joke about in our own culture,

620
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 5: is that, for sure, Canadians are not nice. We're just yeah,

621
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: we just won't say it right, And unfortunately, I think

622
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: there's a lot of cultures that are like that. They'll

623
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 5: say behind your back, not to your face. And that's

624
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: why I love Americans because at least I know with

625
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: most Americans and where I am that if I say

626
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: something to them, they're probably pretty much going to tell

627
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: me to my face so that I can make my

628
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: decision if I like them or not, or if I

629
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: want to be around them or not instantly. Canadians are

630
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: a little bit different that way. But again I will

631
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: say that we're not nice. We are very kind people, though,

632
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: and I will say Canadians are very kind, and there

633
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: is such a big difference between being nicer kind and

634
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 5: I think Americans are very kind as well. But I

635
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 5: do feel that Canadians are kind and I and that's

636
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: the one thing I do love about us. I just

637
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 5: don't think we're actually that nice.

638
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: Does the Canadian government seem to have a different take

639
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: on UAPs?

640
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think they even really have the take.

641
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: We have sky Project Canada or skin a Sky Canada project.

642
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: I'm always doing the dyslexic thing there.

643
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we think of Paul Hellier down here,

644
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: that you know, was from Canada and that was such

645
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: a great thing.

646
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: Well, we have Larry Maguire here, you know, I frequently

647
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Speaker 5: talked to Larry, and I think I'm out of most

648
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Speaker 5: reporters or anybody that's doing journalism right now. I think

649
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Speaker 5: I have the most content about UAPs with Larry and

650
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Speaker 5: discussions when it comes to just Q and A's with

651
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Speaker 5: him online at the debrief. So people are interested, they

652
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Speaker 5: can go there and bread them. But yeah, he is

653
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Speaker 5: part of the Conservative Party, he is a member of parliament,

654
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Speaker 5: and he has been the most recent vocal voice within

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Speaker 5: Canada saying that we need to look at this from

656
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Speaker 5: a national security perspective and we need to start having

657
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Speaker 5: bigger conversations about it. What are they and what does

658
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Speaker 5: this mean to Canadians as well? So it's there, you know,

659
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Speaker 5: Skyproject Canada is coming out with a report. I believe

660
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Speaker 5: it should be out. I was told by end of

661
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Speaker 5: the month or February from like kind of like the Americans.

662
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Speaker 5: American reports as well that have been coming out from

663
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Speaker 5: the government in errow. But the same idea too. We'll

664
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Speaker 5: have ours, but we're really focusing on the science behind it.

665
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Speaker 5: They don't want to talk about anything UFO or anything

666
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Speaker 5: alien related or whatnot. It's all the science step too far.

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Speaker 4: I got youah, take another break here, Chrissy. When we

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Speaker 4: come we're going to talk to Chrissy about the recent

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Speaker 4: rash of drone sightings all across the United States. You're

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Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact right here on the iHeartRadio and

671
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Speaker 4: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back

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Speaker 4: on Beyond Contact and I'm chatting with Christy Newton, So Chrissy.

673
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Speaker 4: This hot topic right now that I see everywhere, of course,

674
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Speaker 4: is the drones that people are seeing all over the place.

675
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Speaker 4: It started around I believe, November eighteenth, and it's sort

676
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Speaker 4: of grown from there. I thought this was going to

677
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: go away, and it just doesn't seem to. It seems

678
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Speaker 4: like it started in New Jersey and then it's expanded,

679
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Speaker 4: and now of course people are looking everywhere, and we're

680
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Speaker 4: getting tons of video. You know, a lot of this

681
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Speaker 4: is great. I think people look up and people open

682
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Speaker 4: to the possibility of UFOs being present is fantastic. I

683
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Speaker 4: just don't think that this drone thing is necessarily that,

684
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Speaker 4: although there's a lot of other issues that might be

685
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Speaker 4: involved here. I think sightings in general, it's far more

686
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Speaker 4: uncommon than believers want it to be. And yet for

687
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Speaker 4: the hard skeptics to think none of them are UFOs,

688
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: I think it's more common than they think. You know,

689
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Speaker 4: where do you sit on this whole thing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a great way of looking at it.

691
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 5: I do believe that it's either ours or it's a

692
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Speaker 5: foreign adversary. And let's be honest here, there's been hundreds

693
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Speaker 5: of thousands maybe now or at least thousands of UFO

694
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Speaker 5: or drone sightings, So we look at one thing. They

695
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Speaker 5: have called them drones, so technically they are identifiable, right,

696
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Speaker 5: But now the question is is that these drones that

697
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Speaker 5: they're saying or drones are doing the most amazing things

698
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Speaker 5: that we have not seen that literally sit within the

699
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Speaker 5: five observables. So we're like, okay, so you're telling me

700
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Speaker 5: America or China you don't advanced technology. You've been telling

701
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Speaker 5: us that that's not the case. So now we need

702
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Speaker 5: to start asking questions to the American government along with

703
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: foreign adversary and saying, well, what kind of advanced tech

704
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Speaker 5: do you have if that's the case, and we know

705
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Speaker 5: that they're drones, and it's going, okay, well, we need

706
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: to start having some different conversations. Now what is Darpe doing? Right?

707
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Speaker 5: What are you guys doing over there? And these things

708
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Speaker 5: are on this The technology you have is unbelievable that

709
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Speaker 5: we thought that we did not have access to in

710
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Speaker 5: our own within our own inventory. Now the other question

711
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Speaker 5: is that if they are UFOs and they are doing that,

712
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Speaker 5: then now we're having a bigger question. We're seeing them everywhere,

713
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Speaker 5: and then why are they here and what are they

714
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Speaker 5: looking for?

715
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Speaker 4: Why do they have a red light and a green

716
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Speaker 4: light just like our FAA requires, like our drones require.

717
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Speaker 4: I mean, that would be very weird. And it's like

718
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Speaker 4: when people say, oh, but it's doing these amazing things. Yes,

719
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Speaker 4: of course, because you know what, technology gets better every year,

720
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Speaker 4: so of course the drones. We've never seen drones do this. Well, yes,

721
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Speaker 4: but they're getting better. And of course the military and

722
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Speaker 4: secret projects are going to have it at first, and then

723
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Speaker 4: it'll trickle down to us, right.

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exact like, I think that's what we're seeing right now.

725
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Speaker 5: I think the question is is what are they looking

726
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: for and what are they observing? Because they're they're literally

727
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Speaker 5: doing surveillance. We're watching them do it in Grits, right,

728
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Speaker 5: That is surveillance, you know, And let's be honest, they're

729
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 5: probably commercial drones and people you know, making jokes, you know,

730
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Speaker 5: and sending their own personal drones up just to you know,

731
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Speaker 5: confuse things and they're doing it for their own promotions

732
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: or who knows. But the ones that are just like

733
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 5: really fantastical, the question is, Okay, is it our? If

734
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Speaker 5: it's ours or it's theirs as a foreign adversary, what

735
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Speaker 5: are they looking for? What is it? Why are they

736
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Speaker 5: doing surveillance? And what is going on? And what the

737
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Speaker 5: heck is going to happen in twenty twenty five?

738
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Speaker 4: I would add, if it's a foreign adversary, chrissy, why

739
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: have we not taken it down? Well?

740
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Speaker 5: And here's the other thing, because I believe that well,

741
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Speaker 5: I think there's one reason line of thinking. I believe

742
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Speaker 5: I don't know if this is true or not, that

743
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Speaker 5: at some point in time they would have shot it right,

744
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 5: and they would have shot it down by now. But

745
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Speaker 5: I think the other reason is you don't know what's

746
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 5: in it, right, You don't know if somebody has something

747
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 5: in it, You no idea if it's that's.

748
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Speaker 4: A good point too, sure, what if it's a nuclear device, yeah.

749
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Speaker 5: You know, or anything in it? Right? Biologo who knows? Right?

750
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Speaker 5: And then also just be really weird weary to shoot

751
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Speaker 5: anything down. So Tim McMillan said this to all of

752
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: us at the debri if we were having a conversation

753
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 5: one morning, and you know his background, you know, working

754
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 5: in defense and also as a defense writer. He made

755
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: a really good point. And we forget sometimes that counterintelligence

756
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: have really great strategies and tactics, and so one of

757
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: them is that your foreign adversary and we have done this,

758
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: I believe in the past two wars, or at least

759
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Speaker 5: one of them. A foreign adversary will come in and

760
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 5: flying impunity in our area. They'll be looking at something,

761
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 5: observing it. We let them observe it because as much

762
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 5: as information they're getting from looking at something, we're getting

763
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: it from them of what they're observing, right, So it's

764
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: kind of like the opposite tactic. So that also might

765
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Speaker 5: be the case too, that they're actually looking at and

766
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: observing something, right, and we're trying to figure out.

767
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Speaker 4: And then there was this talk at one point that

768
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Speaker 4: there was like a nuclear thing missing somewhere and that

769
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: we were looking for it, you know, but.

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Speaker 5: There is there is a I forget what the group

771
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 5: is called. There is a force like a nuclear group

772
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 5: that if something does happen, they get called out. It's

773
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: like a task force, right, they go out and we'll

774
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: dissemble and they deal with nuclear bombs or whatever it

775
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: could be. And so that group was has not been

776
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Speaker 5: called out. So that's what tells us that it's probably

777
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 5: not nuclear, because they would have already been out there

778
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 5: looking and talking and trying to figure things out. I

779
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: think that there's just always going to be speculation of

780
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 5: what something is. I think they're observing and gaining intel.

781
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: And it's happening all over the world too. It's not

782
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: just happening right, it's happening in the US.

783
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: It expanded. It was like just Jersey, then it was California,

784
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: then it's San Diego. And yes, I think I have

785
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: heard reports Brazil has been having this lately. Well it's incredible.

786
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: So there's something interesting here. I just don't know what

787
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: it is, and I don't think any of these are

788
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: extraterrestrial driven UFOs at this point. What evidence do we

789
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 4: have that that's what's happening. I don't see any right now,

790
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: do you No?

791
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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know. I'm like, we'll see what happens.

792
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: I know that there's been a lot of conversation that

793
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: something big is going to come out this year, but

794
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: we do this all the time.

795
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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty seven, twenty thirty, I hear

796
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: all these things.

797
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, here's the thing. In twenty I know this

798
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: from Intel that I've spoken to people that work in

799
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 5: the Air Force that I have some relationships with, and

800
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: they have told me, and one specifically has told me

801
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: that in twenty twenty seven they are wearing patches. You

802
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: know that, and it deals with China because they think

803
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 5: that that's when they're supposed to be this year. Actually

804
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: that we'd be going to war or not us, but

805
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 5: China would invade Taiwan. That can lead to Americans and

806
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: Canadians going to war and saying with the Australians, but

807
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 5: that they're saying it's been pushed off to twenty twenty seven,

808
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 5: and that's why the Air Force wears those patches. And

809
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 5: now we're also hearing from Intel that they're probably going

810
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 5: to push it. They want to push it to twenty thirty.

811
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Speaker 5: That's the hopes. But let's be honest, China has said

812
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: they're invading Taiwan. You know. The question is is if

813
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: you know Australia said it's already going to get involved,

814
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: and that means that does the rest of us, the

815
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: Five Eyes and everybody else, Why in NATO do we

816
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: all get involved? And now with intel, from what I've

817
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 5: been told for my contact is that they just say, well,

818
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: American people probably don't want it, and so Americans at

819
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 5: this point might not get involved if that ends up happening.

820
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 5: But the sad thing is if that does, then it

821
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 5: really does signal to dictators around the world that you

822
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 5: can do whatever you want. And that's scary.

823
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 4: And that's why huge can of worms.

824
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why keep saying to people, if you

825
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: like UFOs, get invested into national security and start understanding it,

826
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 5: because it's so fascinating, you know, and something is going on,

827
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: you know. And I think that that's why we're hearing

828
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 5: that twenty twenty seven. We're hearing it everywhere. The science communities, gosh,

829
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: the astrology communities are even saying twenty twenty seven. The

830
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 5: UFO communities that we're hearing like defense, Like that number

831
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 5: keeps coming up everywhere. I was literally ron driving down

832
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 5: the street on the highway on the gardener and somebody

833
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: I'd go figure, puts out like rolls out, you know,

834
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: like a sign, and it said three more years and

835
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: this is last year, and I was like, are you

836
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 5: joking me? Wow? And I think they me in the

837
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: development of the gardener because it's like construction.

838
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Speaker 4: But I was like, oh, okay, I.

839
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: Know I but I started laughing is I was like,

840
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: I can't get away from this number. I just think

841
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: that if twenty twenty seven happened, something big in the

842
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: world is going to go on. And I don't think

843
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: it's going to be massive disclosure. I don't think we're

844
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: going to have arm again. It I don't think it's that.

845
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a big shift. We're

846
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: going to have maybe a big culture shift because we

847
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: might go to war. There might be something that does

848
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 5: happen that changes everybody in the entire world. For example, COVID.

849
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: COVID was the one thing that changes all And the

850
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 5: only thing close enough to COVID that could change the

851
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 5: world again is war. Right those are They were so

852
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 5: linked together, COVID and war that it affects everybody everywhere

853
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 5: around the world.

854
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 4: Realization of an alien presence would also do the same.

855
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. Yeah, those three COVID epidemics, war and Yeah,

856
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 5: and knowing that we're not alone one hundred percent. Or

857
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: here's the other thing. I believe it's UCLA or it's

858
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 5: one of the other universities sent and an't know if

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Speaker 5: it's Pioneer. I to double check and look at this,

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Speaker 5: the other crafts and they were sending it into the

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Speaker 5: deep cosmos, and one of the signals that would come

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Speaker 5: back had been from an alien civilization and their prediction

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Speaker 5: of when that would come back would have been twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty seven. That I love so hard. I was like,

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Speaker 5: are you joking? So that might be something that might

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Speaker 5: be like, hey, we're not alone, but god, they're really

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Speaker 5: far away, so that's very possible too.

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Speaker 4: We shall see. Thanks Chrissy, I really appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 4: You guys can find Chrissy at Chrissynewton dot com. All

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Speaker 4: her links are right in there. Thank you for listening

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