WEBVTT - Episode 1 | Behind the Crown

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<v Speaker 1>This is quite a wall here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, these are some great photos.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Jimmy Carter enough me. Uh huh, yes, me and

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<v Speaker 3>Lorena Lynn. How did this come about? She was given

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<v Speaker 3>a concert in Burman Allen.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Carry me backstage to leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this.

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<v Speaker 5>Suit that you have on.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you've never heard of Bill Baxley, but here in

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama he's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>That Johnny Cash.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Baxley is eighty two, slightly balding, with silver hair and eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 2>In the pictures he's showing me on the wall of

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<v Speaker 2>his office, I see him looking younger. His hair is dark,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's standing with famous musicians and politicians.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my daddy swearing me in for my first term.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Baxley was elected as Alabama's Attorney General when he was

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<v Speaker 2>just twenty eight years old. He later served as lieutenant governor,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's still practicing law today. During his career, Baxley

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<v Speaker 2>prosecuted hundreds of cases and sent three people to Alabama's

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<v Speaker 2>death row.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some crimes that are so wrong and so

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<v Speaker 3>horrible that they only deserve one punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a lifelong defender of the death penalty, a true believer,

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<v Speaker 2>like when the US Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies, Baxley worked hard to bring executions

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<v Speaker 2>back to Alabama. He's that kind of true believer. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not surprising that Baxley was skeptical when his son,

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<v Speaker 2>who's also an attorney, asked his dad to look over

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<v Speaker 2>a case because he believed an innocent man was on

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<v Speaker 2>death row.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the course of my long career, I've had dozens

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<v Speaker 3>and dozens answances were these I'll call them do gooders,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're good people. They take up there's causes of

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<v Speaker 3>people that have been sentenced to death, and they get

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<v Speaker 3>interested in trying to help them, and they all think

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<v Speaker 3>they're always innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Baxley didn't even glance at the case file until weeks later.

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<v Speaker 2>On an icy winter morning, it was too slippery to

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<v Speaker 2>walk down the driveway and grab the newspaper, so he

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<v Speaker 2>picked up the file that his son sent him and

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<v Speaker 2>began reading about a black man named to Forrest Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>who was sentenced to death for killing a shriff's deputy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, mid morning, I couldn't believe what I was reading.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have believed that something like this could have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What was so unbelievable about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything? Everything. I don't know how the guy got indicted,

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<v Speaker 3>how they got I didn't see how the jury convicted him.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have never believed that that could have happened

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<v Speaker 3>in Alabama, no question mine. This guy was not guilty

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<v Speaker 3>of this crime, and I couldn't comprehend how this could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>There's only one other case where Basley thought the defendants

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<v Speaker 2>were innocent, and that case is almost one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it about this case to Forrest's case

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<v Speaker 2>that convinced Backsley that Alabama is trying to execute an

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<v Speaker 2>innocent man's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a unique absurdity that I've never seen before. It's

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<v Speaker 3>too late to give him back all those years he's

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<v Speaker 3>been on death road, but it's not too late to

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<v Speaker 3>correct it today and get him out for the future.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wrong that it's gone this long. It's still not

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<v Speaker 3>too late to correct.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Beth Shelburne. Like Bill Baxley, I was

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<v Speaker 2>born and raised in all Obama. I grew up about

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<v Speaker 2>a mile away from where the crime at the center

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<v Speaker 2>of this story took place. I'm a journalist and writer,

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<v Speaker 2>and for the last three years I've been investigating the

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<v Speaker 2>case that rocked Bill Baxley's world. The story begins on

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<v Speaker 2>a hot July night in nineteen ninety five. It unfolds

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<v Speaker 2>in two places at once, the Crown Sterling Sweet's Hotel

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<v Speaker 2>and a nightclub that's almost four miles away called Tea's Place.

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<v Speaker 2>By the end of the night, one man will be

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<v Speaker 2>shot dead and two others will encounter someone who will

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<v Speaker 2>put them at the center of the murder investigation to

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<v Speaker 2>Forrest Johnson is still on death row and he's running

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<v Speaker 2>out of time. I'm Beth Shelburne. This is ear witness,

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter one, Behind the Out.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, ma'am, this is very calling from Crowns Drilling Sweet's

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<v Speaker 8>Hotel in Birmingham, Alabama. I'm calling because I've had several

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<v Speaker 8>guests report what appears on the windows to have been

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<v Speaker 8>two gunshots and people running in the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twelve fifty five am on July nineteenth, nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 9>It's twenty three great fight.

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<v Speaker 8>That is correct. I have security on the premises, which

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<v Speaker 8>is just to the county police, but I'm calling you

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<v Speaker 8>because i want to make sure that the Birmingham pleats arrived.

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<v Speaker 8>Please all right, we'll get the one out, thank you

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<v Speaker 8>very much.

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<v Speaker 10>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Crown Sterling Suites Hotel was a nine story building

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<v Speaker 2>in Birmingham. Today the hotel is an embassy suites. Inside

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<v Speaker 2>the main entrance of the hotel, there's a pale tiled

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<v Speaker 2>walkway that leads through the lobby. The front desk is

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<v Speaker 2>to the left, but keep walking past it and you

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<v Speaker 2>enter a huge atrium, an open space surrounded by windows,

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<v Speaker 2>with an indoor garden of leafy green plants and trees.

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<v Speaker 2>The tiled walkway leads to a coy pond with a

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<v Speaker 2>fountain at the center. It's lush and humid inside, but

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<v Speaker 2>despite all the windows, the field is dim and moody.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep walking past the coy pond and there's a short

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<v Speaker 2>hall that leads to the hotel's back parking lot. It

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<v Speaker 2>was here outside the double doors of the Crown Sterling

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet's Hotel where a deputy sheriff was killed. No one

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<v Speaker 2>saw the murder, but a few people heard gunshots.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember hearing popping noises from the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Rushikov was working at the front desk when he

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<v Speaker 2>made that nine to one one call.

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<v Speaker 7>When I heard it, I believe that's when I tried

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<v Speaker 7>to call Officer Hardy on the radio with no response.

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<v Speaker 2>Officer William Hardy, who went by Bill, had been a

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<v Speaker 2>deputy with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for twenty three years.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also a security guard at the hotel, where

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<v Speaker 2>he worked the night shift to make extra money. Hardy

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<v Speaker 2>was five foot ten, had a thin mustache, and wore

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<v Speaker 2>his hair in a Jerry curl. He was known to

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<v Speaker 2>be easy going and friendly. When Deputy Hardy wasn't making

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<v Speaker 2>hotel security rounds, Barry usually saw him wearing his brown

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<v Speaker 2>and tan deputy uniform, sitting at one of the tables

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel's atrium, smoking more brand menthol cigarettes and

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<v Speaker 2>drinking coffee.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when I worked there, and when I was

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<v Speaker 7>working nights, it was me, you know, Officer Hardy or

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<v Speaker 7>whatever officer on duty, and or we would sometime have

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<v Speaker 7>a houseman who is cleaning floors or something, but very

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<v Speaker 7>minimal group and I never felt unsafe.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry wasn't the only person to hear the popping noises.

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<v Speaker 2>A few guests at the hotel also heard gunshots, including

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall Kelly Cummings a guest in a fourth floor room

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<v Speaker 2>directly above the hotel's back exit.

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<v Speaker 5>I can remember like it was yesterday, ma as far

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<v Speaker 5>as the details.

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<v Speaker 2>As I worked on this project, I started referring to

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<v Speaker 2>Cummings as the Keebler cookie guy, because in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five he worked for Keebler as a truck driver Midfield.

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<v Speaker 5>When I was with Keebler driving one of their step

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<v Speaker 5>vans delivering cookies and crackers and stuff, and we had.

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<v Speaker 2>A Cummings was staying at the Crown Sterling for a

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<v Speaker 2>company training. After the workday was over, he drank a

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<v Speaker 2>few beers at the hotel bar with some coworkers, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he and the other Keepler employee he was rooming

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<v Speaker 2>with turned in between ten and eleven PM. But Cummings

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<v Speaker 2>was not asleep for long, but he.

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<v Speaker 11>Just I woke up and it was I kept hearing

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<v Speaker 11>somebody talk kind of talk.

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<v Speaker 2>So you heard some voices and it sounded like they

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<v Speaker 2>were arguing or not.

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<v Speaker 11>Really bad, but they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was male voices.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well they quit arguing and then I didn't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 5>So I laid back down and it probably wasn't twenty seconds,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty seconds, forty five. I'm got I didn't count boom,

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<v Speaker 5>small caliber gun. They won a big caliber and I'll

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<v Speaker 5>sudden the few sects or a boom about the second time,

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<v Speaker 5>I say, up a minute, that was a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>He remembers, turning to the coworker he was sharing a

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<v Speaker 2>room with.

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<v Speaker 11>I said, you hear that? He says, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So I stood up and opened the blind to get

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<v Speaker 5>my eyes fixed because it was dark.

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<v Speaker 11>Then they had the lights in the last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Directly beneath his window, Cummings sees a four door car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's dark copper or light brown with a vinyl top,

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<v Speaker 2>parked facing the hotel's back double doors. He sees a

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<v Speaker 2>tall person get into the driver's side of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>close the door, and slowly pull away with the headlights off.

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<v Speaker 11>And so I called down to the front desk. I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 11>there's been shots fired. I heard. Did you hear that?

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<v Speaker 7>I believe I got a phone call from someone in

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<v Speaker 7>the room saying they heard gunshots.

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<v Speaker 2>So Barry makes that initial nine one one call, hangs

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<v Speaker 2>up and decides to investigate it.

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<v Speaker 7>Jumped over the counter to walk back, and I was

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<v Speaker 7>walked back. I saw Offsta Hardy's radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry sees Deputy Hardy's radio on a table in the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel's atrium, and right next to it his cigarette still

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<v Speaker 2>burning in an ash tray. Meanwhile, back on the fourth floor,

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall Kelly Cummings hangs up the phone with Barry and

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the window.

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<v Speaker 11>And I kept looking, and I kept looking.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally my eyes got to where I could see, and

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<v Speaker 5>I looked down and I could see him laying on

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<v Speaker 5>the ground.

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<v Speaker 11>I went, oh, no, this ain't good.

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<v Speaker 2>Cummings spots a body on the ground and realizes someone

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<v Speaker 2>has been badly hurt. It's right around this time Barry

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<v Speaker 2>makes the same terrible discovery.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's a hallway that went to the door that went

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<v Speaker 7>back out to the back parking lot. Turn in the

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<v Speaker 7>corner to go down that hallway, and I looked out

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<v Speaker 7>the door in the distance, I saw Offsta Hardy on

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<v Speaker 7>the ground. That's when I ran back to the front desk,

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<v Speaker 7>made an emergency phone call to the police.

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<v Speaker 8>Just, ma'am, the spiritual cross to exist, and I have

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<v Speaker 8>a pit what appears to be a Jupanan County police

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<v Speaker 8>officer shot in the back of our building. She ends

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<v Speaker 8>up moving people.

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<v Speaker 10>In a car drove away and you see he's lying

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<v Speaker 10>on the on the pavement.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a little afraid to go up.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, he is a Birmingham Police Office.

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<v Speaker 8>Jefferson County. He is a hired nine time security for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, do you know if you can sign.

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<v Speaker 6>Out anything like if you breathe?

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<v Speaker 8>I and how much blood? I'm trying, man, my, my,

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<v Speaker 8>my promise. I don't know if the people are still

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<v Speaker 8>out there.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, we we should be there showing that you find

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<v Speaker 10>very much.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna go and talk about okay, but you.

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<v Speaker 7>Go.

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<v Speaker 10>Jesson's Catty debut has been shot on the back entrance

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<v Speaker 10>of the Hotel Crown show sweep.

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<v Speaker 5>It is one of us, and we are they have

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<v Speaker 5>got one down who has been shot.

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<v Speaker 10>And they said it looks great and it looks too bad.

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<v Speaker 10>Three three two. Do we have any information? Do we

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<v Speaker 10>have anything on a suspect to go anywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>After he makes the second nine to one one call,

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<v Speaker 2>Barry walks down the hallway to the back parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went.

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<v Speaker 7>Back out the office. Already he was not a good condition.

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<v Speaker 7>He did have a wound to his face. He was

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<v Speaker 7>making a gurgling, gasping noise. You know, he was not conscious.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe I took my jacket off, my uniform jacket off,

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<v Speaker 7>to try to cover him, or put under his head,

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<v Speaker 7>or try to comfort him. But fortunately officers arrived so

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<v Speaker 7>quickly and I was removed from that area immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>More than a dozen officers from four different agencies arrive

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<v Speaker 2>at the hotel. One of them is Detective Tony Richardson,

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<v Speaker 2>who says he'd known Deputy Hardy since he first started

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<v Speaker 2>working for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 9>Being black and bo being black, naturally I noticed him.

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<v Speaker 9>I was told more than once to get a haircut.

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<v Speaker 9>That you know, to be a deputy Shaff, you got

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<v Speaker 9>to have your haircut. So the reason I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 9>is because from the first day that I ever saw him,

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<v Speaker 9>his hair was out.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear big afro, big afro.

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<v Speaker 11>And he would put on his hat. He wore that

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<v Speaker 11>hat religiously.

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<v Speaker 9>Everybody else's the Shaff's office hated those hats. They didn't

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<v Speaker 9>want to wear him, you know, but he always.

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<v Speaker 11>Wore his hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Hardy often wore his traditional broad brimmed tan smoky

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<v Speaker 2>the bear style sheriff's hat. It was later entered as

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<v Speaker 2>evidence from the crime scene with a bullet hole through

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<v Speaker 2>the brim.

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<v Speaker 9>And he would have it on his head and all

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<v Speaker 9>that hair would be on the side would be out here,

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<v Speaker 9>And I'm like, who is this guy? How can he.

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<v Speaker 11>Get away with that? And not only that, he is

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<v Speaker 11>in the sheriff's office. How can he get away with that?

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<v Speaker 9>So I was in tree by him, fascinated by him,

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<v Speaker 9>but I was scared of him. I was scared to

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<v Speaker 9>meet him because I thought, of my mind, this guy's

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<v Speaker 9>got to be crazy, you know, to do that and

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<v Speaker 9>get away with it, He's got to be great.

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<v Speaker 11>I would scatter of him.

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<v Speaker 9>But anyway, when I first met him, I met him

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<v Speaker 9>and talked to him. He started to feel better about well.

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<v Speaker 11>I started to feel better about him.

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<v Speaker 9>We were never just busom buddies real close, but we

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<v Speaker 9>were close and we knew each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Richardson and Bill Hardy had been colleagues at the

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for seventeen years. Richardson remembers the

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<v Speaker 2>last time he saw Hardy alive.

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<v Speaker 9>The last day I saw Bill, my brother and I

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<v Speaker 9>my brother would put a sheriff's office offso and we

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<v Speaker 9>were standing there smoking and Bill drove out the alley

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<v Speaker 9>and he was pulling up twenty second and he stopped

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<v Speaker 9>in the road and he started to talk to us

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<v Speaker 9>and he said, hey, guys, hang out doing loan with

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<v Speaker 9>some money. It's just you know, stuff like that. And

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<v Speaker 9>we laughed and talked for a minute. And that was

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<v Speaker 9>the last time I saw him. And the next time

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<v Speaker 9>I heard Bill's name was about two o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 9>morning when I got the call saying and he had

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<v Speaker 9>been shot. At that time, I was what was considered

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<v Speaker 9>a crimes against Persons detective, which meant that I worked homicides.

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<v Speaker 9>The lieutenant felt like because it involved a deputy sheriff,

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<v Speaker 9>and you know that we needed all the help that

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<v Speaker 9>we could get.

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<v Speaker 11>So I got called out.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go to the actual scene?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you encounter when you got there?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, by the.

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<v Speaker 9>Time I got there, Bill's body was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Paramedics had already lifted Bill Hardy into an ambulance and

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<v Speaker 2>rushed him to the emergency room of Birmingham's largest hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>He is gravely injured with two gunshot wounds to his head.

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<v Speaker 2>And jaw. A medical examiner notes a bullet wound to

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<v Speaker 2>Hardy's finger likely means he raised his hand in a

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<v Speaker 2>defensive posture when he was shot. Police go to his

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<v Speaker 2>house to tell his wife, Patricia Diane Hardy, and bring

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<v Speaker 2>her to the hospital. Jim Woodward, the chief deputy in

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson County, also rushes over when he hears that Hardy

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<v Speaker 2>was shot. What do you remember about the incident?

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<v Speaker 6>I got to call that Hardy had been shot, and

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<v Speaker 6>they told me said looked very serious. So I got

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<v Speaker 6>in my car and went down to the hospital. I

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<v Speaker 6>stood there while they were operating on me, and then

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<v Speaker 6>I just heard one say that's it. It's over.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>It's over. We can't save him.

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<v Speaker 7>He's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that feel like when you are a career

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement officer?

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<v Speaker 6>And well, it's kind of devastating to you. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>you get to know these guys, and I knew Hardy.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a very devastating thing that happened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bill Hardy is pronounced dead seven hours after he

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<v Speaker 2>was shot. The cause of death is two gunshot wounds

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:18.120
<v Speaker 2>fired at close range. I wanted to know more about

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Hardy. So I wrote to several family members inviting

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<v Speaker 2>them to talk. They never responded, and I can only

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<v Speaker 2>imagine his murder must be one of the hardest things

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<v Speaker 2>they've ever experienced. But I have learned a few things

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<v Speaker 2>about Deputy Hardy. He was married to Patricia Diane Hardy.

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<v Speaker 2>He had two children and four adult step children. Hardy

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<v Speaker 2>started working as a deputy in nineteen seventy two. His

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<v Speaker 2>duties included delivering subpoenas and directing traffic outside the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>It was rough. It was rough. It's rough right now,

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<v Speaker 11>it's a rough right This many working homicide.

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<v Speaker 9>I worked at bunch, but none of them affected me

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<v Speaker 9>like the killing of a deputy Share. You know, you

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<v Speaker 9>have a bond with the guys you work with in

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<v Speaker 9>that uniform. Whether you know them or not, you have

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<v Speaker 9>a bond. So when I was a deputy Share working

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<v Speaker 9>another deputy Shaff's murder, do you think that was emotional? Yes,

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<v Speaker 9>it was very and had it been my decision the

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<v Speaker 9>day we caught the people that did it, let's put

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<v Speaker 9>them on death throat.

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<v Speaker 2>Lead Detective Tony Richardson and his team of investigators have

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<v Speaker 2>no eyewitnesses to the shooting and there's no known motive.

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<v Speaker 2>A fellow officer has just been shot, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>almost no evidence to go on. At the exact time

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<v Speaker 2>that Deputy Bill Hardy was shot, to Forrest Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>his friend Ardregis Ford were four miles away from the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene at a downtown Birmingham nightclub called Tea's Place,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would soon become the focus of Tony Richardson's investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a few hours before Deputy hart Is shot, ardregas

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<v Speaker 2>Ford gets into the passenger side of his nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>one black Monte Carlo. It's an old car and the

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<v Speaker 2>driver's side door doesn't open, so he slides over into

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<v Speaker 2>the driver's seat, starts the ignition, and heads out to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up his friend to Forrest Johnson to go to

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<v Speaker 2>a club called Teas Place. I wasn't able to interview

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<v Speaker 2>to Forest or Ardregas for this podcast. The Alabama Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Corrections doesn't allow people on death road to do

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with reporters like me, so I was unable to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Forest directly, and Ardregas died in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a chance to interview him before then.

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to speak to Ardregas's mother, Joyce Ford.

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<v Speaker 12>That particular night. They said they was going to tease

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<v Speaker 12>and see he will go to teas every Tuesday and

0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 12>he have his particular same parking space and everything because

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 12>he would give them good tips.

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<v Speaker 2>Ardregas was willing to pay for a good parking space

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<v Speaker 2>because he was in a wheelchair. When Ardregas was a teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>a group of men began shooting outside an apartment building

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.879
<v Speaker 2>he was visiting. He was shot trying to shield his

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<v Speaker 2>cousin and her baby from gunfire.

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<v Speaker 12>My son when he got shot when he was fifteen,

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<v Speaker 12>I had just gotten off of work. I was tied

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<v Speaker 12>in the phone, rang, rang, rang, and I didn't answer

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<v Speaker 12>the phone, you know, And I finally answered it and

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<v Speaker 12>they stated that he had gotten shot. I need to

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<v Speaker 12>rush to the murdency room. Who that was like a dream,

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<v Speaker 12>you know. You hear about things happening to other people,

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<v Speaker 12>but when it hit home, you know. And then he

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<v Speaker 12>got spinal cord injury. He got shot in the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was parallel.

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<v Speaker 12>Te lie from chest down T four they called it.

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<v Speaker 12>So that was like a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>In his early twenties, ar Dragus outfitted his Monte Carlo

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<v Speaker 2>with the makeshift system so he could throw his wheelchair

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<v Speaker 2>in the back and drive the car using just his

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<v Speaker 2>upper body.

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<v Speaker 12>He would cut a broom you know that broomsticks. He

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<v Speaker 12>would put one to the brakes, one to the salator,

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<v Speaker 12>and he would tape it to the car. He would

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<v Speaker 12>tape it to it.

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<v Speaker 13>So he like retro fitted his Yeah, he did.

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<v Speaker 12>Did. He didn't buy the regular equipment that he should

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<v Speaker 12>have used.

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<v Speaker 2>Ar Dragas and to Forest actually came up with this

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<v Speaker 2>idea together. Here's to Forrest's cousin, Antonio.

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<v Speaker 14>Green Dracu's was. I guess that was a pride thing.

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<v Speaker 14>He didn't want the handicap accessible pedals and stuff in

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<v Speaker 14>his car. But as far as come up with this great,

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<v Speaker 14>this genius idea where they're gonna well some metal rods

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<v Speaker 14>to the break and accelerator pedal so he could use

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 14>his hands and dry. Well, he get to thinking about

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 14>this thing and metal rods well did from the brake

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 14>pedal or the accelerator. That's not too good of an

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 14>idea in case you get in the accident. He hate

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<v Speaker 14>to see Draga's impaled through the seat right here, So

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<v Speaker 14>he goes and buys two brooms out of the little

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<v Speaker 14>dollar store wherever, and no measurements, no, just nothing precise

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 14>about it. He just gets the broom and breaks them

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<v Speaker 14>and duct tape the sticks, one to the accelerated pedal

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<v Speaker 14>and one to the brake pedal so Dragas could drive

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<v Speaker 14>his car.

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<v Speaker 9>Could he get around?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean did he drove?

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<v Speaker 11>Real well?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a while since the Forest and Ardregas have

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<v Speaker 2>hung out because to Forest had recently gotten out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested for driving with a suspended license, and

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<v Speaker 2>as officers padded him down at the city jail, he

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 2>tossed something into a nearby trash can. Officers reached into

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 2>the can and found a plastic bag of cocaine. To

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Forest ended up pleading guilty to drug possession. To Forest

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<v Speaker 2>served about a year in prison, and by the night

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<v Speaker 2>of Hardy's murder, he'd been out about three months. To

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Forest puts on jean shorts and a Tommy Hill figure

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>blue and white shirt, then gets into the passenger side

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>of Ardregis's car and they head downtown. They pull up

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and park outside Tea's place, but it's too early to

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<v Speaker 2>go inside, so they hang out in the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 2>flirting with some girls who work at the car dealership

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>across the street. To Forest buys a hot dog from

0:26:55.640 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 2>a cart on the sidewalk. Regulars start trickling and the

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:06.719
<v Speaker 2>club drinking, dancing and catching up inside. There's something music

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>low lighting. It's Tasty Tuesday at Teas Place, which means

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>women get in free.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to go to Teas Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbetta Hunt was one of the regulars who was there

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<v Speaker 2>that night. What was your nickname back then?

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<v Speaker 1>Mama Cat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like in the world of nicknames, that's the best name.

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<v Speaker 1>The word my mother, it's the purpose and my father,

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Fred Perkins, they gave me that night when I was born.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's my name. My name is Mama Cat.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was in her early twenties, Mama Cat spent

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of nights hanging out at Tea's Place.

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<v Speaker 1>When you walk into the door, that's my spot right there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the right hand side. Every time I got

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that was my spot. I see, I don't move from

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 1>this spot. I don't walk to the bag.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't walk there.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, were right there. Me and my friend Velliniciaqui Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>We were together.

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<v Speaker 4>We got there before eleven because the club was always

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<v Speaker 4>free on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday before eleven for women.

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 2>This is Belanique Sanders nicknamed Quisi.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything after eleven it was five dollars and me and

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Barbetta was very cheap, so we tried to make sure

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 4>we got there in free because the little money we

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 4>had saved. We wanted to buy something to eat, and

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<v Speaker 4>I love to get a chicken plate from there, a

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 4>chicken breast with some French fries.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, did you know Trafforst Johnson?

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I did. I knew him from hanging out in

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<v Speaker 4>the neighborhood in Ansley and I, oh my god, I

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 4>had a crush on him. He was the finest.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you remember about what he looked like?

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<v Speaker 4>He was short, a nice body, Oh my god. Anyway,

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 4>he was a ladies man. I will say that, sweet,

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 4>always kind. He was just a nice gentleman like his

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<v Speaker 4>mama had raised him.

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<v Speaker 2>Really well, did you guys ever go out or did

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<v Speaker 2>he know that you had a crush on him?

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<v Speaker 4>He knew I had a crush on him, but we

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 4>never went out. No, we would just see each other.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 4>I smiled, be like, Oh that he is, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get him.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>To Forest mostly grew up in Birmingham's Pratt City neighborhood,

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>or Pratt for short.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 14>We grew up together, I mean closer than just cousins.

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 14>We were like brothers because we were all pretty much

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 14>raised right in the same little local community.

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>While to Forest was growing up, most of his extended

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>family also lived in or near Pratt, including his cousin

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Antonio Green.

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<v Speaker 14>And since we were toddlers, i mean babies, we were

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 14>kind of together took out in this thing, and he

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 14>was a couple of years younger than I am, so

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 14>he always kind of held on to my shirttail. And

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<v Speaker 14>you know, so I've been closely connected with him for

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<v Speaker 14>our entire life.

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<v Speaker 11>Pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>To Forest's mom, Donna, was seventeen when she had him,

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and when to Forest was young, she was more like

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>a sister to him than a mother. Donna leaned on

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>her parents and siblings to help take care of to Forest,

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and as to Forrest got older, she leaned on him

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to help take care of his little brother.

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 14>He started at a very young age, much too young

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.719
<v Speaker 14>to really be faced with the type of responsibility that

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 14>he took on. He was at an age where he

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 14>was still a kid. I'm talking about eleven twelve, you know,

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 14>just in nirteen years and had to take on the

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 14>responsibility of taking care of his little brother.

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 11>You know, he had a little brother.

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 14>That he got ready for school, he earned his clothes,

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 14>he did.

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:55.239
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 14>He's always been that caring little dude, you know, and

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 14>he he did that. So he had to take on

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 14>some things during that time. You know, his mom and

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 14>dad was dead, but his dad was a very very

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 14>heavy drinker.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>To Forest's father, Ronald, was an alcoholic and would get

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 2>violent when he drank, which was every day. This made

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>home life extremely volatile for to Forrest, his younger brother,

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>little ron and especially his mother, Donna. She eventually left

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Ronald when to Forest was a teenager and moved in

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>with another man who had an apartment in the Tuxedo

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Projects in Birmingham's Insley community, also known as the Brickyard.

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh it was called the Brickyard.

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Velainique aka Queisi, the one who had a crush on

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to Forest, also grew up there.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 4>It was rough, dre you know, my mom had three girls,

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 4>aunt had three and we lived in a five bedroom

0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 4>project with our grandparents, So it was it was just

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of girls in the house. But I mean,

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, I had just seen people get killed right

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 4>in front of me, my cousin, guys shot in the stummy.

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, a lot of it was rough. You had

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 4>family's daddy couldn't afford to eat, you know, kids come

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>to school, you know, wearing the same clothes over and over.

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 7>It was rough.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 4>It was rough growing up in the projects.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 2>To Forest and his little brother moved there when to

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Forest was sixteen. When he was seventeen, to Forrest was

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>shot and a drive by shooting and spent three months

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>in the hospital. To Forest's mom told me the bullet

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>is still lodged in his chest. During this period, seven

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>of to Forest's friends would be shot and killed. No

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.479
<v Speaker 2>one was ever prosecuted for any of these crimes, and

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 2>it was around this time that to Forest dropped out

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of school. Several family members tell me that at twenty two,

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>to Forrest was somewhat adrift. He spent his time working

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>on old cars and playing video games. He was having

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a good time dating different women. He had five children

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>who he loved, but he was also unsettled. He hadn't

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>yet figured out his purpose, and he didn't know he

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 2>was running out of time. As to Forest and Ardregas

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>wait outside of Ardregas's beeper goes off a few times.

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>The beeps are from a girl he met a few

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>nights before, but he ignores her, hoping to meet someone

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>else inside, tees to Forrest walks toward the club's entrance

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>behind Ardregas and his wheelchair. They're focused on meeting girls

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and having a good time. They don't know that this

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.919
<v Speaker 2>night will change their lives, and the people they run

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>into don't know they're about to become alibi witnesses.

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 15>There was a love before eleven, and we were standing

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 15>outside and they came up as far as it was

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 15>pushing to Draga's.

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>One of the first people they run into is Kenyara Pickett,

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>who was standing near the entrance.

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 15>I remember exactly where I was standing, right in front

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 15>of the club when he walked up, because I thought

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 15>I was shot that night out. You know, back in

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 15>the days, it was TFC wearing big clothes back then,

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 15>and I had all some black, some black big jeans

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 15>but shorts, and I had on some black and white rebox,

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 15>and then I think I had on the button down

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 15>shut my sister. She had just got out of the hospital.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 15>She had a blood clot and I when she got

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 15>out of the hospital, we just went down there, you know,

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 15>to celebrate that she came home.

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>To Forrest and Ardregas make their way past Kenyara and

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>go into Tea's. Mama Cat and Velanik are already inside,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 2>perched at their table right by the front door.

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Tavarra Johnson, I remember he was pushing Adreka's four in

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the wheelchair. They came together.

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 4>I had saw too far, was pushing a Draca's in

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 4>the club, because we always standing at the front by

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 4>the door so we can be nosy and see everything.

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 2>You wanted to see who was coming in and who

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>was leaving with who?

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, ma'am.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 13>About eleven o'clock I saw Tafarest come in pushing Ondrega's

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 13>in and I was excited to seeing him because I

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 13>hadn't seen him in year, because I had just got

0:35:58.440 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 13>out the military.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Chandler is also at Tease that night to catch

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>up with friends. He and to Forrest knew each other

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 2>as kids, and Pratt so we.

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 13>Stood there and we start we talked, you know about

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 13>old times, you know, and I mean we joked, laying

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 13>and laugh.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>To Forrest and Ardregus settle in at a table chatting

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>with people who stopped by watching the dance floor.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 4>I was sitting on the bathroom because when you go around,

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 4>it's like a little balcony part that you could sit at.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 4>And so I seen Draca's and to Forest when they

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 4>came in the door, because he was pushing them in

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 4>a wheelchair.

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 2>This is Dedra Carter, who was celebrating getting released from

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the hospital with her sister Kenyara. Dedra was also at

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 2>teas that night.

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 4>And him and my cousin Mona and my sister all

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 4>us was just there talking and you know, I think

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Tofarres liked it Mona, so you know, he was trying

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 4>to hook up with her, but she went no, she

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't never.

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 9>Hook up with him.

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 4>We used to laugh, talk, joking, like even we at

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 4>the club music playing, We're still cracking up, you know,

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, just talking and stuff.

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>To Forrest SIPs along island iced tea and orders our

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>dragas up brandy and coke. At one point, to Forrest

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>goes back to the bar because Dragas says his drink

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>is too weak, and the bartender makes him a new one.

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 2>They linger at the club into the early hours of

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Wednesday morning.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 4>When I said we would probably ship the club now

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 4>we was there. I know, it's probably like they used

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 4>to close about maybe one two o'clock, so we would

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 4>leave right right before that, so I know it was

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:43.479
<v Speaker 4>like maybe one.

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 13>I ain't leaving the club roughly about I'm gonna say

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 13>around about right at one. And like I said, he

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 13>was standing across the club.

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 11>You know, you could see.

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 13>Him because I mean, it wasn't a big, big club,

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 13>you know. And I just sat to do signs up

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 13>and I left and.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 2>He was still there.

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I left.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>There are at least ten people who say they saw

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>to Forrest and Ardregas at Teas Place between eleven PM

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 2>and one thirty am. Deputy Bill Hardy was shot right

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of that time frame, around twelve fifty am,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>four miles away at the Crown Sterling Suites hotel. People

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 2>like Kenyara, Dedra, Stanley Quisi, Mama Cat all remember that night.

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Their corroborated statements weave together a shield. That shield should

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 2>protect to Forest and Ardregas from the accusations about to

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 2>head their way. But it doesn't. The state would arrest

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to Forest and Ardregas, try them and seek the death

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>penalty against both of them for Deputy Hardy's For the

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>last three years, I've been trying to figure out how

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>this happened. I've read through thousands of pages of court

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 2>transcripts and investigative documents. I've done a full audit of

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>all the media coverage and interviewed more than eighty people,

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>including several who were directly involved in this investigation and prosecution,

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and many who have never spoken publicly about the case.

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to find the real killer of Deputy Hardy.

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm investigating why that person was never found. One of

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the first things I tried to unwind, how did to

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Forrest Johnson and Ardregis Ford end up at the center

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 2>of the investigation when they were somewhere else at the

0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 2>time Deputy Hardy was killed. Here's one thing everyone agrees on.

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:08.479
<v Speaker 2>After they leave Tea's place, to Forrest and Ardregas pick

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>up two girls in the Monte Carlo. One sits in

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>the back by Ardregas's wheelchair, the other one sits between

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Ardregas and to Forest in the front and that girl,

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the one in the front seat. What she tells police

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>will land to Forest and Ardregas right at the center

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>of the investigation.

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 9>I'm about to share his office headquarters along with Yolanda

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 9>Michelle Chambers.

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 4>Yolanda is a black female.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 15>She's fifteen years of age.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next time. Ear Witness is a production of Lava

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0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and me Beth Shelburne. The investigative reporting for this series

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:15.880
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