WEBVTT - Ep 16: The Walking Red Flag

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<v Speaker 1>Novel.

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<v Speaker 2>This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing.

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<v Speaker 3>You have been warned.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you what though. Listen to him right now, on.

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<v Speaker 3>Him if he was fucking on fire, the piston.

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<v Speaker 1>Him just for my enjoyment, not his, and I'd make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I've had loads of barocasas that real yellow

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<v Speaker 1>piss me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a savage.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you bored of modern dating?

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<v Speaker 2>Meeting the same people from the same apps in the

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<v Speaker 2>same bar You've only chosen because it's close to your

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<v Speaker 2>house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's

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<v Speaker 2>time to change the narrative on how we find love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to start looking for love in all the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only

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<v Speaker 2>picking people who were the total opposite of my type.

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<v Speaker 2>And after twenty eight of these dates in two months,

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<v Speaker 2>will I find that special someone or well, this experiment

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<v Speaker 2>proved that I should just give up on dating altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to find out. I'm Grace Campbell and this

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<v Speaker 2>is twenty eight dates.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, Dan, Dan, every single of these podcasts is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be you going.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, Dan, How was your weekend?

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<v Speaker 4>I had maybe one of the best in the club kiss.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, Yeah, it was actually really hot.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. So what makes like an inn the club kiss

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<v Speaker 3>like so hot?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I've got a people and it's like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>in a car wash and it's full face saliva disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>But then sometimes you get someone because you don't expect

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<v Speaker 1>it to be great necessarily because you're learning how to

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<v Speaker 1>kiss that person in the instant.

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<v Speaker 4>Where were you? I was at a gay bar. Shot horror,

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<v Speaker 4>don't tell my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>In the club.

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<v Speaker 4>In the gay club.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was just this man there and the kiss

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<v Speaker 1>kind of happened because we ran out of things to say.

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<v Speaker 4>The absolutly dried up.

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<v Speaker 3>How long had you spoken before?

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<v Speaker 4>Two minutes?

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<v Speaker 5>Perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>Because also, like you just want to get in there,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, Also, only wanted was a.

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<v Speaker 5>Kiss, But also who talks in the club.

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<v Speaker 3>That's disgusting, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the thing is that there was quite a

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<v Speaker 1>big heighth difference, so like, firstly, I can't hear what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, and then secondly.

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<v Speaker 5>He was seven one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah he was taller than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was like he was small, okay, But so

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<v Speaker 1>like when we made out, it was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like a giraffe eating grass. That was like the imagery,

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<v Speaker 1>but the kiss was so nice and like we both

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<v Speaker 1>like got of each other and then like pulled away

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, wow, that was really great.

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<v Speaker 5>Congratinations.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a boyfriend, her husband. Well, I had sex

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend, right, and then, now.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't make me out whoa, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, No, that's not even what the story is about.

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<v Speaker 2>I had Oh my god, shut up. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking now, I had sex on the weekend. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's really weird because it was good sex. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like I haven't had sex with ages I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been having like fine sex, but this was like

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<v Speaker 2>quite exceptional sex.

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<v Speaker 4>What made it better?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like really good sex, like like it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like we obviously really fancy each other words,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just like fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yesterday, the day after having had sex, I

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<v Speaker 2>have just gotten so much attention from them, Like both

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<v Speaker 2>like two people that I used to day contacted me yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>like one out of the blue, haven't spiked him for

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<v Speaker 2>five months, just sent me like an insane video of

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<v Speaker 2>him wanking.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>Out of the blue, just out of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue, and then no, yeah, oh yeah, it's mad. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so weird. It's like sex person, Like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>One ever send me a video of you randomly wanking.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't want you to send that to me

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<v Speaker 1>at dan dot.

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Then I was on the overgrown yesterday I got chaps

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<v Speaker 2>three times, and then today I also got three.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, on the overground. Yeah, you're going from one end

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<v Speaker 4>to the other.

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<v Speaker 2>I was only going from West Hampton to Gospel, which

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<v Speaker 2>is full stops.

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<v Speaker 5>How mental is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So for all about international listeners, which I know there

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<v Speaker 1>are many, chirps is basically where you're like chatting someone up,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're caught in them, like you floating.

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<v Speaker 4>Them in a bar or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like an English slanguage. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know what it is. It's like an energy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also it's also yeah no I do pheromo,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I do.

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<v Speaker 3>But people always say.

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<v Speaker 4>That, who said that?

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<v Speaker 2>I once, right, when I once had some really good sex,

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<v Speaker 2>like top notch sex, and then no, it's because so

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<v Speaker 2>much sex I have is like so bang, average have.

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<v Speaker 4>Differentiate, honestly, So this very.

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<v Speaker 2>Top notch sex and then this guy was staring at me,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I was like, okay, like you're just staring

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<v Speaker 2>at me, and he was like, it's just like I

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to come over and smell you because you

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<v Speaker 2>look like you smell like sex.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck kind of people are you hanging out with?

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, that's like a creepy version of the woman.

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<v Speaker 3>That's honestly thought it was so.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I had sex with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was really.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry if someone came over and was like, can I

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<v Speaker 4>hoff your golf?

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't saying my vagina.

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<v Speaker 2>He was saying, you give off like sex vibes, is

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<v Speaker 2>what he was saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, can I tell you what I smell like after sex?

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<v Speaker 4>Not good?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking for yourself, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of the gay community, none of us smell good.

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<v Speaker 4>I am.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess it's like a sexy smell like during sex.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking legitimately about smell.

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<v Speaker 2>You're slightly missing it here, So let's let's slow.

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<v Speaker 4>Down down, Like, can I smell you?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think he said he said, he didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>I want to smell you. I said, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>look at me? He was like, you look like you

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<v Speaker 2>smell like sex. And what he meant by that you

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<v Speaker 2>look like you're a slut basically is what he meant.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really flatter. I mean that is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, he turned to and only was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do I look like? I smell like he goes

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<v Speaker 2>tean crumbs.

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<v Speaker 4>Which some people is also a smell of set.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this guy, right, I matched with him on Field,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the app that essentially puts like your sexual

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<v Speaker 2>desires and interests are sort of like on a par

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<v Speaker 2>with like your also your other interests, Like it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm into fisting and fishing, do you know? And

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<v Speaker 2>on his profile, he looked like a Tory okay, which

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening in America, is like a Republican, but

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<v Speaker 2>like with a lot of more weird backstory. Basic yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fox catching, fox.

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<v Speaker 5>Hunting, Yeah if you incests, yeah, incess.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought maybe we'd clash on that because he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a Tory.

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<v Speaker 5>But I wasn't even a toy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those people who doesn't even engage

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<v Speaker 2>in politics, which is worse than being a Tory in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion. And he was just a walking red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we just get straight into it because

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<v Speaker 2>you need to hear about this day.

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<v Speaker 4>Who sounds terrible.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you do for a job?

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<v Speaker 6>I am in the Devil's game of recruitment. Really just

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<v Speaker 6>get paid to lie a lot. So I get to

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<v Speaker 6>the office at seven in the morning. I tend to

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<v Speaker 6>finish between five and sort of half six. They're not

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<v Speaker 6>going to train jiu jitsu for two hours and be

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<v Speaker 6>done about half eight and a lot of cook So

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<v Speaker 6>you've got half around the evening to Monday to Friday.

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<v Speaker 6>Where are your offices in the city, right, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 6>it's like a seven minute cycle for my live four minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I, yeah, I don't know if I'm ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to be aroused again in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to hear that. Clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we bring in his book of records and see

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<v Speaker 1>how many times someone said jujitsu in one sentence?

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<v Speaker 4>So I think we've got a new record.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that was so jarring about this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is j yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>so jarring about him was how much you referred to

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<v Speaker 2>being doing philosophy. Right, So when we did get into

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<v Speaker 2>an argument, like at points we got into various diferent

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<v Speaker 2>like like beefs. He would always bring him back to

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<v Speaker 2>what I did philosophy at university, like which just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense. And also like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like sound like really vapid, but like if you

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<v Speaker 2>need to fall back on philosophy like loads to like

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<v Speaker 2>justify yourself or to like form conversations and fundamentally like

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<v Speaker 2>you're a bad person.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just how busy his day is, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>are you running from?

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<v Speaker 2>So he had this like crazy robot schedule and so

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, well, surely, like you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have time to date, Like why are you on dating

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<v Speaker 2>apps if you've got half an hour like scheduled to

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<v Speaker 2>eat and even well it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you want to spend two hours a

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<v Speaker 1>day doing jiu jitsu, when am I coming?

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<v Speaker 6>That's literally why I'm here because I broke up with

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<v Speaker 6>my girlfriends and I used to never see her. And

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<v Speaker 6>I was like all I do is have such a

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<v Speaker 6>fixed life, right, Okay, you some weird stuff. So this

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<v Speaker 6>is what's interesting. I was going to buy this field app, which.

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<v Speaker 5>Is right mad and how long have you been on it?

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<v Speaker 4>Four weeks?

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<v Speaker 6>And I've had three people asked to whee on me?

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<v Speaker 6>What does that mean like to actually piss on me.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, we.

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<v Speaker 6>Wheel me, No, we urinate on top of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually on plas like when you're with them or has

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<v Speaker 2>that been on the app?

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<v Speaker 6>So first messages?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi?

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<v Speaker 6>Hi?

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<v Speaker 5>Can I on you?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that your cup of tea? I've been on Field

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<v Speaker 4>and is absolutely mud.

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<v Speaker 1>It's mud Field the app is absolutely mud.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the kind of person who's ruining Field.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, looking at his profile, it's screaming Tory, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also screaming like Billabong model.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do get like you. I'm not sure. I think

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<v Speaker 3>like Jack Wills, he's the kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of person that just like hops onto something way after

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<v Speaker 2>its moment and thinks it's really cool. And so he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably like never had a conversation with a gay person

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<v Speaker 2>for longer than like thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like Field is mad, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I have been on Field for a

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<v Speaker 1>while and honestly, no one has asked to pist on me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel quite upset.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you find that you mirror guys you date on

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<v Speaker 6>your father at all?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I know some people have some people I have definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>But do you know who Alison Camber is?

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<v Speaker 6>I've heard the name. I don't get into I've had

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<v Speaker 6>done a philosophy degree. I don't get into politics at

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<v Speaker 6>load level, like just just kids bickering in a room.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not really a low level.

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<v Speaker 6>It's that came across wrong. I apologize. I like the

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<v Speaker 6>idea and philosophy behind the concepts of politics.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well that's because you did a philosophy.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I don't take that from my personal opinion, which

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<v Speaker 6>is probably wrong. I don't know enough about it. There's

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<v Speaker 6>not much influence in me having thoughts and politics goes on.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's world powers and stuff going on which

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<v Speaker 6>actually changes politics. And we don't live in democracy because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all just I don't want it's not because actually

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<v Speaker 2>voting does change shit.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a Cambridge analytica. He's in the movie Brexit

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<v Speaker 6>Democracies and.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at Brexit.

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<v Speaker 2>If more people had voted Remain, it wouldn't have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very close margin, came to conno the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. But if more people voted Romain, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have happened.

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<v Speaker 6>I was traveling in Thailand against Spangled.

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<v Speaker 2>He is so daring, My worst kind of person in

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<v Speaker 2>the world because he's contradicting himself in every way.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not saying anything.

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<v Speaker 3>He's saying nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so ill informed, but uses like philosophy but you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't mentioned exactly philosophical and not be engaged in real

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<v Speaker 2>world politics.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, he's the kind of guy that gets a guitar

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<v Speaker 1>out out of the after party, Like that's what it's giving.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to hear wonder wall.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that he doesn't vote and that it's

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<v Speaker 2>worse than a red flag. That's like, seriously, like immediately

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<v Speaker 2>I bought the situation. If somebody tells me that they've

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<v Speaker 2>never voted.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because also, like what kind of upbringing have

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<v Speaker 1>you had, Like if you don't feel the need to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>then you haven't been affected by things that happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the most like insane privilege to be like

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<v Speaker 2>I've never voted.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If he engaged in the world a bit more, he

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<v Speaker 2>would have to face the reality, which is that he

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<v Speaker 2>is a bad person.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, you can't just sit in a conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>say the word philosophy six times. I think that counts

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<v Speaker 1>as are having a high iq. I've had deeper, more

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<v Speaker 1>eloquent chats whilst when came in, Oh yeah, big.

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<v Speaker 3>Time with a lamp post.

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<v Speaker 5>And anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I asked him what his type was, What.

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<v Speaker 5>Was his.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess it depends on what your attraction points are,

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<v Speaker 6>because for me, I don't have a type or a

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<v Speaker 6>visual attractive point. It's how you think, It's how you

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<v Speaker 6>interface with people.

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<v Speaker 4>In the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you only get with women?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I have enough. Like like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 6>being a philosophy student, I've not thought about men in

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<v Speaker 6>a sexual way, but like I can understand why people

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<v Speaker 6>find them attractive. Like I've been in a pub with

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<v Speaker 6>sixty blokes naked, singing Adele at the top of our voices,

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<v Speaker 6>windmilling to.

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<v Speaker 5>Adele in public in part of the people that's in

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<v Speaker 5>one of the parts. That's nice. I'm sure that was

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<v Speaker 5>really pleasurable with everyone else.

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<v Speaker 6>If you have sixty blokes coming to buy ten points

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<v Speaker 6>each in a pub every week, they're some allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's very much sounding like the sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>Oxford Brooks version of the Bullingdon Club.

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<v Speaker 6>I know quite a lot of the Bully boys.

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<v Speaker 5>So let's not refer to them as the bully boys.

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<v Speaker 5>That's very it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that I know him. I lost my

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<v Speaker 1>virginity to sixty men in a pub singing adult.

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<v Speaker 4>Whole.

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<v Speaker 3>No, can we just talk about him saying the bully boys?

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<v Speaker 4>What are the bully Boys?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Bullingdon Club is a very elitist group of

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<v Speaker 2>male students at Oxford University, which is like a very

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<v Speaker 2>like it's the best university in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's like a fraternity.

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<v Speaker 2>And the concept of the Bullingdon Club is the most

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<v Speaker 2>privileged men in English society, British society, and they like

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<v Speaker 2>go to say a pub, and what they will do,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like what he was describing, but much worse,

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<v Speaker 2>is they will intentionally fuck up the pub, physically assault

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<v Speaker 2>members of staff because they can, and then throw cash

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<v Speaker 2>at the end at them to be like, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 2>we've just fucked up your whole place, but we're so

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<v Speaker 2>rich that we can just pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, the way he talks, he's the person

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like he's trying to make you buy shares

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<v Speaker 1>in his startup.

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<v Speaker 4>Do what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like the kind of person who's obsessed with status

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<v Speaker 2>but will pretend he isn't, so he's like escape going

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<v Speaker 2>all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what was his relevance for him saying that

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<v Speaker 3>he's a philosopher in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a philosopher, so I can understand why people want

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<v Speaker 2>to get with men.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, baby, like, you're just saying the title

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again with actually reading anything on the page.

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<v Speaker 1>You just repeatedly saying the title of the chapter, just philosophy, philosophy.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He struck me as like a pound shop ex member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bullingdon Club.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wasn't quite it where Like in a way

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have at least rather be on a date with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who actually knew about politics so we could get into

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<v Speaker 2>like a raging argument about it. I couldn't even argue

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<v Speaker 2>with him because he was so ignorant. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>already hated him at this point, but this was when

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<v Speaker 2>I really solidified my contempt for this man. He had

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier on that he knew members of the royal family.

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<v Speaker 4>We've all watched the Crown.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I like brought it back up.

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<v Speaker 2>And was like, so tell me about the time that

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<v Speaker 2>you had a dinner with a royal member.

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<v Speaker 6>A friend of university who very wealthy, got invited to

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<v Speaker 6>a twenty first got to dress up as a terrorist

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<v Speaker 6>in blackface with the goats, which you could you did that?

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of people could that.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh god, yeah, that's not good.

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<v Speaker 6>No. Everywhere I was saying blackface, I'd say more or

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<v Speaker 6>less that it was Middle East and between pastis everyone

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<v Speaker 6>was just dressed.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, this is awful.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, obviously, Like this is what this is exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. Nobody who went to the school that I

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<v Speaker 2>went to, which was like an inner city London state school,

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<v Speaker 2>would ever, even at twelve years old, thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>an appropriate thing to do.

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<v Speaker 6>So how do you deal with confrontation in your relationships?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm really well, is it in the sense

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<v Speaker 6>of you think you're right and the argument's based on

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<v Speaker 6>your right? For example, with this whole party that I

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<v Speaker 6>went to, you have strong opinions on that, and this

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<v Speaker 6>is what.

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<v Speaker 2>That is because I'm right on that, Like it is

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<v Speaker 2>offensive to dress up as a terrorist as a white person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that that's just a black and white like

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<v Speaker 2>Prince Harry dressing numbers an answer.

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<v Speaker 5>You can see where the line is there.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, that's a ridiculous move from him, but exactly so

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<v Speaker 6>for them. And I imagine that depends on much you care,

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<v Speaker 6>depends if you want to be offender as well. Like

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<v Speaker 6>in the context of the culture we are in right now,

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<v Speaker 6>I agree it was.

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<v Speaker 5>Then whenever, that was when you were twenty one.

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<v Speaker 6>So what I mean is like before, in the days

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<v Speaker 6>of witches, if you spoke about spirituality and you're a

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<v Speaker 6>fifth year a woman in the fucking fourteenth century, you're

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<v Speaker 6>a witch.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly I would do it.

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<v Speaker 6>You're normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Like I guess like back in like the

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth century, if you like had to put your hat,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a witch. And I guess like nowadays, if you

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<v Speaker 1>go into black face and go to a party, you

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<v Speaker 1>are a racist. Yeah yeah, to all in trouble, what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of comparison?

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<v Speaker 4>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>It was like quite mind boggling. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying so many.

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<v Speaker 2>Words, but you're not making any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby, Like It's like, what kind of brain do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have for someone to be like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're a racist and you'd go But there were witches once.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what though, listen to him right now.

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<v Speaker 3>On him if he was fucking on fire him just.

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<v Speaker 1>For my enjoyment, not his, And I'd make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>I've had loads of barocasas that real yellow piss, that

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<v Speaker 1>real stale bar no like four day bender.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you've been drinking, kid.

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<v Speaker 1>That baby a frosty Jack's piss streaming streaming upon him.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm fully erect.

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<v Speaker 6>Any group. Background will choose the group. They are similar

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<v Speaker 6>to the safety like rugby boys that you said. Once

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<v Speaker 6>you get a big group of people together and they

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<v Speaker 6>create an identity, they have a way of behavior. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>a bunch of rugby lads, all individually nice guys come together,

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<v Speaker 6>they want to drink, piss and get they can do something.

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<v Speaker 6>So you learn a behavior through similar people together.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not biology, Ben, Would you not say this.

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<v Speaker 6>Or say that is because the bill is.

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<v Speaker 2>The environment that you've been in where something like that

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<v Speaker 2>has been normalized.

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<v Speaker 6>But the biology pieces the human being and their brain

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<v Speaker 6>coming to know because not.

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<v Speaker 5>All rugby white boys end up doing it.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't be aggressive.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not really aggressive.

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<v Speaker 6>I came across aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>That's offensive because I have an opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm being aggressive. I'm just sat here calmly.

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<v Speaker 6>Your voice dictates aggression.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have bullied at school?

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<v Speaker 6>And that's the quite a personal question, the opposite, you're

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<v Speaker 6>the bully. This is what I do on days. I

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<v Speaker 6>want to see how you think. I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 6>out how you think you're attractive another honest one, how

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<v Speaker 6>you think that's it?

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<v Speaker 4>But he's not trying to figure out how you think.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to, like silence, how you think he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make you think how he thinks, which is drm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he just couldn't handle that. I wasn't agreeing with him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're being aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it is mad because when you listen to my

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<v Speaker 2>tone hasn't even changed like I'm being I'm talking in

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the tone the voice that I talk him the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I think the most important thing we need to

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<v Speaker 1>try and analyze in this is how many.

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<v Speaker 4>Rugby boys is he fucked? No? I know he's constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Being like just like rugby boys hanging out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting naked, shucking dick and stuff, you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>a coxshole.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what it is like? So many ale? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we get it. Honestly but truly.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but like such an insufferable man's no honestly the

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<v Speaker 1>word like do what he is he's like the bad

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<v Speaker 1>guy in like Bridget Jones, the bad character in like

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<v Speaker 1>a rom com.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he's like, it's like someone's written the script.

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<v Speaker 2>He just ticked the box for like every kind of

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<v Speaker 2>or like posh.

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<v Speaker 3>White Englishman behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was really like one of the worst people

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<v Speaker 2>that I've like sat opposite in a date.

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<v Speaker 5>Environment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, also I love him. You'd be like, that's not biologing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, is it not?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it not?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's environment He's basically saying that's why people are racist.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, whether it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the podcast or not, probably the worst date

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever been on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I was on this date personally, I

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, where's Ashton Kutcher because I'm being punk.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wish Ashton Kutcher had.

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<v Speaker 4>Come face all over over. He's so fit man.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say the fittest on the podcast Ashton.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a call out to Ashton's people. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>Dan again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Sam for the A. I've got the restraining order.

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<v Speaker 2>I know if he's the retraining order fell out of

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<v Speaker 2>his pocket earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but actually in the restraining order it doesn't say

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't contact him via podcast, So this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was like, yeah, so I think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on dates before. I once when on a

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<v Speaker 2>date with a guy who told me he didn't vote

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<v Speaker 2>in the EU referendum, and then when I said why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you vote, he said, because I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>vote next year. And that was one of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>dates I've ever been on and I left after ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was definitely worse than that, because this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Kieran was just.

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<v Speaker 3>There was everything was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when he told me I was being aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I will kill you with my bare hands.

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<v Speaker 1>How can someone be so bad that they need PR

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<v Speaker 1>just for their life. He's not even a celebrity, but

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<v Speaker 1>he needs PR just to like be fixing the things

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he needs media.

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<v Speaker 3>Training honestly, Yeah, before he did this day, he needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just philosophy, Yeah, not just years one years of

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy learning about how he's not gay but he sucks

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<v Speaker 1>off rugby boys. But one day he understands how.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly though the worst.

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<v Speaker 5>Next time on twenty eight Dates Later.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a bit of a player, is what I

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<v Speaker 2>got told that he goes is on a lot of dates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, look he's Metis Maxton. That is true.

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<v Speaker 5>You'd all be playing each other.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd be fucking giving each other st d oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my girls, see around for me. I'm a savage,

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