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Speaker 1: Giants lose to the Chicago Bears nineteen fourteen in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Giants got the ball back with a chance to drive

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Speaker 1: down and win the game, couldn't do it. And we'll

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Speaker 1: Mobile app. Lance A little bit different than the losses

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Speaker 1: we've seen the last eight weeks, is that we're up

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Speaker 1: to now seven weeks whatever. Seven um. They they won

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Speaker 1: the turnover battle. That's a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: There were plus one. But like the game against the

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Speaker 1: Lions when they won the turnover battle, dealing of the

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Speaker 1: game this year, uh, they still lost to the Bears.

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Speaker 1: And this was kind of an all around issue type

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Speaker 1: of game. Special teams had problems, rosas too missed field goals.

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Speaker 1: One want a bad snap. He kicked the ball out

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Speaker 1: of bounds on a kickoff that gave the Bears good

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Speaker 1: field position. They go down and score a touchdown on

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Speaker 1: that drive. The defense gave up too many big plays again,

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Speaker 1: and quite frankly, it could have been worse. Brian Bronnicker

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Speaker 1: dropped a touchdown pass and then they called back an

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Speaker 1: Alan Robinson sixty yard catch, so it could have been worse.

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Speaker 1: And then offensively for the Giants, they couldn't sustain enough

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Speaker 1: going to be difficult. It was difficult. Daniel Jones fortunate

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Speaker 1: not to have a couple interceptions in the game. Game

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Speaker 1: one hit McKinnon. I think it was right in the hands.

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Speaker 1: He dropped it Stoning. Shepard saved the second one by

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Speaker 1: tackling Kyle Fuller before he can grab an interception reading

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Speaker 1: a pass. Uh. He got stripped sacked once by Khalil

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Speaker 1: and scream at us. That was not a Daniel Jones issue.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about players where he has held the

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Speaker 1: ball too long. That was not one he got back.

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Speaker 1: He got rid of the ball pretty quick. Klue Mack

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he does. That's why he gets

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Speaker 1: paid a bajillion dollars. So you kind of put all

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Speaker 1: those things together, Lands and once again didn't run the

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Speaker 1: you get where you are in Chicago losing the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: reoccurring issues, John, That's where it really came down to.

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Speaker 1: I think the positive is the fact that you held

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Speaker 1: Because the Redskins was the only other game where they

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Speaker 1: wound up winning that game. Why while the offense put

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Speaker 1: goes back to a lot of the things that you

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Speaker 1: I agree, it was a bang bang play. You can't

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones supposed to do? He was in his throwing motion.

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Speaker 1: Mac made a great play. Those are the opportunistic plays

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Speaker 1: turnover has its own story all the time. Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: with respect to the Giants. With respect to your point

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Speaker 1: points on two interceptions, and the Bears had seven points

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Speaker 1: The one Ogletree interception in the end zone looked like

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Speaker 1: Lens and and we're getting repetitive. The Giants is aren't

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Speaker 1: special team's mistakes. Notwithstanding, they didn't turn over as much.

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Speaker 1: There weren't as many big plays by the Bears in

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Speaker 1: Cohen was extremely quiet in this game. Seven catches just

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Speaker 1: cleaner game. But frankly, and the Bears are just better team.

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Speaker 1: all those playmakers, John, and have them pick up yak yardage,

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Speaker 1: They didn't finish every drive, John, but they did a

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Speaker 1: to your point, the four possessions that started from midfield

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Speaker 1: position in this game. But the bottom line is there

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Speaker 1: was no complimentary football in play yesterday. John. That to

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Speaker 1: when special teams made plays, offense couldn't deliver. When the

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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Now, I thought Riley Dixon did

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Speaker 1: like I do every week. But the Bears are ready

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Speaker 1: for it. The Giants had run that in year's past.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a play that's common in that system, and

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Speaker 1: it was I believe Leonard Floyd and I think Eddie

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Speaker 1: Jackson that stayed outside. They did not fall for the

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Speaker 1: fake up tiom not at all, and they played great

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Speaker 1: container then there was a player earlier. This is the

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Speaker 1: play I thought you were gonna reference. Uh it was.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a third and two on the

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Speaker 1: Giants first. It might have been the first play the

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Speaker 1: game actually, and the Giants had Eli Penny in the

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Speaker 1: backfield of Barkley. They run it. Eddie Jackson is a

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Speaker 1: blitzer off the edge, Nobody picks him up, and he

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Speaker 1: nails Barkley for a of yard loss. I think the

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Speaker 1: fact that first play from some mudge was a five

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Speaker 1: year it was, and I think Howard and Carl talked

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Speaker 1: about this during the game on the radio broadcast, and

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to it. One thing I don't

448
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people appreciated about Eli Manning was

449
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Speaker 1: his ability to get in and out of the right

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Speaker 1: plays pre snap, and I think that's still something that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is getting used to. You don't see as

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Speaker 1: many machin nations with him pre snap like you used

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Speaker 1: to see what Manning always changing plays, moving guys around.

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Speaker 1: Not to say he's not reading the defense and making

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Speaker 1: audibles and making change, but you don't see it as often,

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Speaker 1: and which is not surprising. He's a rookie quarterback. You

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Speaker 1: grow into that type of role, right, So I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes there are plays like that where you know, based

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Speaker 1: on your play call, there's gonna be an unblocked defender,

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Speaker 1: and that just happens sometimes if the defense dials up

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Speaker 1: the right scheme against your play and just the way

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Speaker 1: your blocking scheme is set up, you might have an

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Speaker 1: unblocked defender. And if that's the case such on that play,

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Speaker 1: it's the quarterback's job to get out of that play.

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Speaker 1: And again, I don't know what the play call. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Jones is doing. Again, this is just

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Speaker 1: what Carl and Howard talked about in the radio broadcast,

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Speaker 1: and those guys know a lot more about this sort

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Speaker 1: of in game management and play calling in audibles than

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Speaker 1: I do. So I think that's something else to kind

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Speaker 1: of keep an eye on, whether or not his inexperience

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Speaker 1: as a starting cornerback shows up in some of that

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Speaker 1: pre snap stuff. Yeah, the things that Eli easily picked

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Speaker 1: up that perhaps he hasn't been exposed to as often

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Speaker 1: as ELI did. No rookie's doing that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: It's not just Daniel Well. And I'd also be curious

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Speaker 1: not that Pat Shermer is going to reveal this, but

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Speaker 1: how much leeway and flexibility is given to the quarterback

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Speaker 1: John in those circumstance questions like can you change to

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Speaker 1: any play? Can he only change to one play? Can

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Speaker 1: he go run the pass? Or can he just change

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Speaker 1: to a different run. I don't know the answers to

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Speaker 1: those questions, but I think that that information is important

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Speaker 1: when you have a conversation related to that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it goes back to context. One other thing that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to throw a quickly, which also just goes to

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Speaker 1: show you your point about the Giants just not being

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Speaker 1: effective enough in overcoming self inflicted wounds or you know,

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Speaker 1: mistakes coming back to bite them. Right before Alan Robinson's touchdown,

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Speaker 1: it's third and ten, Marcus Golden sas Mitchell Trubisky and

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Speaker 1: generas Jenkins hole is called for a defensive hold, which

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Speaker 1: gives the Bears a fresh set of down the drive

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Speaker 1: all live. Yeah, I'm not disputing the call. It's just

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Speaker 1: another example of you make the stop, John, you get

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Speaker 1: the offense off the field, and then it comes back

496
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Speaker 1: to bite you because of an issue on the back end.

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Speaker 1: And this goes also to the conversation of the lack

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Speaker 1: of complimentary football even within one facet of the team,

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Speaker 1: the secondary not complimenting the front, the front not complimenting

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Speaker 1: the secondary, and those penalties and mishaps coming back to

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Speaker 1: bite them. A couple of interesting things in terms of

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Speaker 1: playtime percentage. Sam Bill played around of the snaps, he

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Speaker 1: split snaps and that's out of the field with DeAndre Baker.

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Speaker 1: Both guys played pretty well. Didn't give up a lot

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Speaker 1: of catches. Bill did give up that six yard Robinson

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Speaker 1: that came back on the penalty, but that does not

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Speaker 1: go on as ledger because the play never happened because

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Speaker 1: of the penalty. So both Iam Baker actual he played well.

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Speaker 1: They didn't really throw it Baker much, I think once

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Speaker 1: or twice only over the course of the game. And

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Speaker 1: they didn't throw a Bill much either. There were two

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Speaker 1: Baysic throwing at Corey battle time, who had a rough

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Speaker 1: day at the office trying to cover Anthony Miller and

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Speaker 1: Allen Robinson depending on the play. And he had a

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Speaker 1: little trial by fire in the slot there. So we

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Speaker 1: gotta see, you know, cornerbacks, you gotta be able to forget.

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Speaker 1: We got to see how he comes back and plays

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Speaker 1: in the following game. We got Julian love a lot

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Speaker 1: in this game. He was the third safety to start

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Speaker 1: the game. Then when Jabrol Peppers left with his injury,

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Speaker 1: we'll have it injury report on him one and and

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Speaker 1: Tate and just second um he played well. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna get him too much credit for the interception because

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Speaker 1: he kind of just stood there and throw it right. Well,

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Speaker 1: but a play that you should make correct. But he

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Speaker 1: was never out of position. You never saw a boy.

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Speaker 1: He took a bad angle there. He wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: right spot and he was deep. He was at the

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Speaker 1: one of scrimmage, he was in the slot, he was

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Speaker 1: in the box, he was all over the place. So

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Speaker 1: Ei though Julian loved it pretty well. Uh in his

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Speaker 1: limited minutes. Get to the injury report real quick. Jibrol Peppers,

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Speaker 1: he left the game with a hip. He actually has

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Speaker 1: a fractured transverse process. That is the same injury that

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is dealing with at the quarterback position. If

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Speaker 1: remember back in the day before the Giants played Dallas,

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo had that a few times. It's called a

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Speaker 1: broken back, but it's these little small bones, broken bones

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Speaker 1: in the back that that you can it's not your

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Speaker 1: broken spine obviously, but there's smaller bones that you can

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Speaker 1: play through. They say it's not a season and injury

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Speaker 1: for Peppers. We'll see how long that's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And Golden Tate apparently uh stuffered a concussion in the game,

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Speaker 1: so that's something that they'll take a look at this week.

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Speaker 1: They'll put him to protocol and they'll see if he

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Speaker 1: can come back out and play versus the Packers. Tate

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Speaker 1: suffered the concussion on the touchdowns headed to Grant, the

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Speaker 1: Giants revealed, and Shermer did not rule out Peppers for

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Speaker 1: the season, said it really comes down to paint tolerance. However,

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Speaker 1: with that being said, I know we're here to recap

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Speaker 1: the game, but just looking ahead to the Packers game,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance and perhaps a strong possibility, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are not gonna be without their top two return men.

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Speaker 1: So that is going to change the dynamics of special teams.

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Speaker 1: Like how good during this Sunday, how good the Peppers

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Speaker 1: look on that punt return but that up field and

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Speaker 1: he's a yeah, you wish you could figure out ways

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Speaker 1: to use them more there. Well, and remember it was

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Speaker 1: this week that when he spoke to the media, John

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Speaker 1: he made it clear, he said I'm gonna be back there.

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Speaker 1: So that was something they discussed coming out of the buy,

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Speaker 1: that they can put their veterans back there, and they

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Speaker 1: did both Tad and Peppers with the return guys. Now,

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Speaker 1: in all likelihood, Thomas Biggee, he's gonna have to turn

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Speaker 1: to the youth movement again because of the injuries. Lattimer too,

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Speaker 1: is another option, is another one to kick at least

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Speaker 1: but on ponce. Yeah, they're gonna have to. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to figure that out. I mean, you could theoretically

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Speaker 1: go strolling Shepherd there. He knows that, But do you

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Speaker 1: want to expose him to additional hits now that he's

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Speaker 1: back from a concussion. I think that's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: All right, to five one three. It's all brought to

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Speaker 1: will lead us off today. Kevin, how are you? Thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking my cat? Guys, thanks for calling in?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Very disheartening? Uh performance yesterday? Uh? Last year

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Speaker 1: to might the teammate progress as the year went on,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really seem like they're getting better as this

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Speaker 1: season was going on. As you guys said in the open,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of the same story every week. Uh. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: when this team when Kettleman and Sherman took over two

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Speaker 1: pretty much two years now, it doesn't seem like they've

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Speaker 1: made any progress with their roster really, EI there is

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Speaker 1: anything they might be worse now. Look, I do think

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Speaker 1: in Patria, I made this point today and on a

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Speaker 1: conference call with the media, that I do think you're

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Speaker 1: seeing progress from individuals, especially the younger guys, as they

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Speaker 1: get better throughout the year. The problem is that it

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Speaker 1: has not been reflected in victories. And I think, you know, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: a larger issue here. I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have talked much about it. When you're gonna play

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Speaker 1: a lot of young guys, right, you need the veteran

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Speaker 1: established stars on your team to carry you a little

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Speaker 1: bit in spots and to be really good players. And

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Speaker 1: the guys coming into this year that you expected to

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Speaker 1: be really good players for the Giants either haven't done it,

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Speaker 1: they've been hurt a lot, or both. And I think

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Speaker 1: when you get that combined with you know, young guys

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Speaker 1: making young guy mistakes, that's kind of how you get

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Speaker 1: where we are. Yeah, and I also think the better

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Speaker 1: in additions that were brought in obviously really outside of

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden maybe as well. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it's been really good. Was a bad trade? The Leondard

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Speaker 1: Williams trade is baffling, you know at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the gentleman just like eat his boogers in his office

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Speaker 1: all day, make these random trades. It's just well, example

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Speaker 1: size for Lennon Williams is very small, So I mean

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Speaker 1: there's really not a lot to go I with respect

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Speaker 1: to the evaluation and that. And as far as uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, draft picks are concerned, we don't know what

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Speaker 1: would become of those draft picks. Remember the whole point

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Speaker 1: of making a trade like that is you take the

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Speaker 1: land of the unknown, which is a draft pick, and

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Speaker 1: you turn it into a player who you've had an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to evaluate, who has had plenty of reps already

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you project that they can bring

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Speaker 1: that talent and that skill set to the Giants and

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Speaker 1: be productive. Has Leonard Williams exploded with stats? No, that

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Speaker 1: has not been the case thus far. But once again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, John, if there's enough to say that

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Speaker 1: we can already claim they're not getting a good enough return.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem though, that was always going to be

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Speaker 1: the issue with the trade, because did Leonard Williams ever

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Speaker 1: explode with stats when he was with the Jets except

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Speaker 1: for one year. No, not at all. And he was,

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Speaker 1: you know, never a big sack guy to begin with.

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Speaker 1: So if that's what the whole point of a fan

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Speaker 1: evaluating Leonard Williams saying well where are the sacks, well,

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Speaker 1: then you didn't really watch what he did with respect

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Speaker 1: to the Jets and everything. I mean, the point is

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Speaker 1: for him to help to collapse the pocket provide prey, sure,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes those things don't necessarily show up from a

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Speaker 1: statistical standpoint, and I thought he did it there. One

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Speaker 1: was one drive in that game where he made an impact.

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00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: He kind of you know, collapsed the pocket a couple

645
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: of times. But no, Look, if you're looking for you know,

646
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox and Aaron Donald production guys. Look, he was

647
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: in the league for a long time. He didn't do

648
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: it a whole lot. So the thing is just going

649
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: to start now, Mark and Chicago. Mark was at the game.

650
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure he did not have fun. Mark,

651
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: what's up? Oh, I had a great time. All the

652
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: periods season ticket holders around me were saying they'd much

653
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: rather have Daniel Jones and oh that is true, and

654
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and I think they're correct. Yeah, um, John, I want

655
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: to come back and sort of you know, talking about

656
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: what I talked about on Friday, on what I wanted

657
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: to see, and on defense, we saw exactly what I

658
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: wanted to see. We have love deal, Valentine and Baker

659
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: all in there, and it was great to see. I

660
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: think overall they played pretty well. Valentine sort of took

661
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: a beating, but you know that happens. And you know,

662
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: there's one point where I said to my son, Hey,

663
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: we got three rookies lined up here and they held,

664
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: they blocked the play from them scoring a touchdown. So

665
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: I think they played pretty well. I was actually loved

666
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: played free safety on that last drive before the halftime,

667
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and then they took him out when the Bears got

668
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: into the red zone and they ultimately kicked the field goal.

669
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: But I thought that he played very well. And I'm

670
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: glad to see that they're out there and yeah, they're

671
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes, but let them grow and learn. Yeah

672
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: that's there. Yeah, I mean that's the whole purpose to

673
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: get the young guys as much rep as possible because

674
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: they're not gonna learn from watching on the sideline. So

675
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I would agree with that take. Now, on the offensive side,

676
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I had a lot of problems, and you guys were

677
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: talking about the team not being good enough to overcome

678
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: the stakes, and I just think that the coach needs

679
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: to help them out by not making some coaching mistakes.

680
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: And you know, John, going back to what I said

681
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: on Friday, I wanted to see something different on offense

682
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: where we were doing some rollouts. You know, they rant

683
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: some reverses. They did this all in the second quarter

684
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: on the drive that they scored the touchdown, and then

685
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: what was their adjustment at halftime. They never went back

686
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: to those types of plays. More generally, though, you are

687
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: you aren't going to run multiple end the rounds and

688
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: multiple trick plays with the same design in the same game,

689
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They come predictable type. I'm

690
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: not saying you're gonna run them all the time, but

691
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: at some point you got to shake it up a

692
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: little bit because we were basically in the same offense

693
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: the entire second half, and we didn't do anything to

694
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: take the Bears off their game. And the Bears, like

695
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: you said, they have a great defense, and we didn't

696
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: do anything to make them change their thinking about what

697
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: we were going to run. And by the way, that

698
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: was a fourth down play where they ran. They threw

699
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: that toss out to Barkley where you got tackled for

700
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: a five yard loss. And I was pretty upset with

701
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: that because I wanted like a quarterback sneak they had

702
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the fullback in there. I wanted something more straight ahead

703
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: other than that. But they have not. They have not

704
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: run the ball very effectively up the middle, though Mark

705
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and fairness the numbers back that. I understand that, but

706
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, we hadn't run a quarterback sneak all day.

707
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I was just looking for something difference. And that's a

708
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: matter of opinion. And I'll say the last thing I

709
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about special teams, and this isn't about

710
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: the miss field goals. This was when the Bears substituted

711
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: for their um their I've seen the Bears run that

712
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: three or four times because I live in Chicago, and

713
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I never could figure out why they were doing it.

714
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: And he did it exactly for the reason of how

715
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: the Giants reacted. The Giants didn't substitute. They were confused.

716
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Jenkins didn't even line up in the middle of the field.

717
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: They kicked it away from him. He didn't want to

718
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: catch the punt. I don't if he went back for

719
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: a punt all year and the fall ends up at

720
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the six yard line. And to me, when Sherman says,

721
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: we played that the way that we wanted it, you know,

722
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, no disrespects went up because you know they

723
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: were unprepared for that, not even knowing no Markie that

724
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: that's wrong. Is in the postgame press conference, he said

725
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: they literally practiced it during the week because they, like you,

726
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: they knew that the Bears had run that play. So

727
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: he said that in the postgame presser and frankly, if

728
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Jennor's and look, I agree, you can make the substitutions there.

729
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: They didn't do it, but maybe wrongly they had confidence

730
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: that Jenor's Jenkins, who does we watch catch punts all

731
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: summer in trading camp. He does it all summer, does

732
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: it all the time, he said, sits back there, he

733
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: catches punts. If he actually catches the ball at the

734
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty five yard line where it bounces, then

735
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: we're not having the conversation. So um, Now, whether he

736
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: was directed and he just w that's a coaching or

737
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: player thing. My sense is that the player should if

738
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: he's in there to be the safety return guy, you

739
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: should know how to catch the punt, right. So look

740
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: to me, you look like I'm with you though, and

741
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. It's a good point. And I

742
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: understand from your pspective why you would look at it.

743
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: From that perspective, I get it. They were in a

744
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: safety punt alignment essentially, I mean, that was the unit

745
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: that was in there. Pat Schermer did mention that John

746
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: after the game, But to me, it's not just generous

747
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Jenkins catching the football. It's also a matter of him.

748
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: If he blocks Core Daryl Patterson John then Patterson doesn't

749
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to run back and make a heck

750
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: of a special team's play. I mean, Patterson deserves a

751
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: lot of credit. He made significant key contributing special teams

752
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: plays that you know, change field position in this game.

753
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: But I think another part of that play is not

754
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: just Jenkins perhaps thinking about making the fair catch and

755
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: then it doesn't bounce behind it, but also being in

756
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: a position to block Patterson, because let's not forget if

757
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: Patterson doesn't make that hustle play and save it from

758
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: going into the end zone, it's a touchback. And then

759
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: we're not even talking about this right now in terms

760
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: of it being perhaps a key turning point moment within

761
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: the game. So you know, it goes back to the

762
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: lack of execution as opposed to perhaps a team being

763
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: ill pre paired. I think every time something goes wrong,

764
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: the quick reaction is well, the team wasn't prepared. They

765
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: needn't pick up on it on film. And I agree

766
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: with Mark, the Bears have done I've seen games where

767
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: Matt Maggie has done this. You know that's part of

768
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: the Kansas City school of thought where he comes with

769
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. They like to try to catch teams off God,

770
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: I actually think, and I had this conversation with Jeff

771
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: Eagles on the post game. I think also the Bears

772
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: may have been thinking about trying to get the Giants

773
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: to waste their time out under those circumstances too. If

774
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: memories serves me correct, I think they may have had

775
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: one time out left. I could be mistaken, or I'd

776
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: have to look back, maybe two or something. And and

777
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: as far as the full substitution, I think the Giants

778
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: are actually out of time out. They may have been

779
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: out of time outs, That's what I'm saying. I don't remember.

780
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I may have been having this conversation they forget that.

781
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: That definitely wasn't a part of the game plan. But

782
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: I think also if you're the Giants, while the likelihood

783
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: of the Bears going for it on fourth and two

784
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: from their own thirty three is very very low, you

785
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: still need to be prepared that they could do that.

786
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: So that's why they went with once again the safety

787
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: punk unit, which is a combination of special team slash

788
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: defensive personnel. Now, the person on the field was their

789
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: defensive personel though. But but Jenkins. My point is Jenkins,

790
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: who has worked on special teams unit, he should be

791
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: capable of catching it. It's not as if you're exposing

792
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: generas Jenkins to a baptism by fire type of mentality.

793
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Hey do something we've never asked you to do. And

794
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: clearly that was how they decided they wanted to handle

795
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: during the week. So they must have had confidence that

796
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: Jenkins would make the right decision and catch that ball,

797
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: because I think the ball bounced between the twenty and

798
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: it did. But the other part of it was then

799
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: Patterson's coming towards Jenkins, and Jenkins to me, has an

800
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to prevent Patterson from taking a great angle to

801
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: save the ball and down it. That's the other aspect,

802
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: because if he's slowed down just by a yard or two,

803
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: it's going into the going into the ends, and it's

804
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: a touchback and we're not even talking about this. They

805
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: get the ball to twenty five and the story, so

806
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: that's a big part of evaluating how that play played out.

807
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ryan in Virginia. He's up next day. Ryan, Hey,

808
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: what's going on doing? All right? Man? What's up? Not much. Man.

809
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Um got hit caller earlier hit on a point I

810
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: wanted to make earlier about the play of the young

811
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: girls deal Love and Uh and Baker. Is really good

812
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: to see them get out on the field. And one

813
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: of the loves kind of got that lame duck interception,

814
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: but it's just just going forward. It's good to see

815
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: all all three of those guys on the field with Valentine. Obviously. UM,

816
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I heard I was listening to it on on Fox

817
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: yesterday and one of the comment he has made a

818
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: really good point about cornerback is one of the toughest

819
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: toughest positions to transition to, and usually it takes about

820
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: two to three years for a young guy to grasp, um,

821
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the position of cornerback in the NFL. Valentine. Um,

822
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: they're picking on them a little bit yesterday. Um, But

823
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm gonna stay positive. Um, it's a

824
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: learning experience coming from a D two school being thrown

825
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: in the fire, especially against guy's like Andre Miller and

826
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: especially Robinson who are really good talented receivers. Um. I'm

827
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna put on my my GM cap here and I

828
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: want to get you guys. His feedback on if if

829
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: I was gettlement, what I would do in the in

830
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: the off season, just depending on you know what pick

831
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: that we get. Honestly, I think it will probably be

832
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: a top ten, maybe top five if we don't get

833
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: an act together a little bit. But are we still

834
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: looking at about sixty to seven million in cap in

835
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: cap space for this? Okay? So, UM, what I would

836
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: do first and foremost, I would get Lennard william Tree signed.

837
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: UMU again, go ahead, Ryan, No, I was just clarifying

838
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: what you had said. You mentioned about resigning Leonard Williams. Correctly, Yeah,

839
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: we sna Leonard Williams. I believe Marcus Golden has played

840
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: his way into another contract. And I think on the

841
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: on the offensive side, I really take a look at

842
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: UM upgrading the center position, and UM looking at on

843
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: the tackle side Darrell Johnson or m Jack Conklin UM

844
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: to fortify the tackle position, and just depending on how

845
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: much money is being spent there, I don't want to

846
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: go to reach route, so all the money at the wall,

847
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: spin all of our all of our money we have

848
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: in camp space. UM, I think we should do half

849
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: the two thirds of the cap space and maybe UM

850
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: looking at a Joe Schobert or Corey Littleton from from

851
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: the Rams, UM and to match with m connolly on

852
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: our on our inside linebackers. And then on the draft

853
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: I would I would go UM and rusher, and then

854
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: the second pick maybe fortify our secondary a little bit,

855
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: and then with the competitory third pick, UM, maybe go

856
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: back UM and an additional linebacker. So I appreciate you guys.

857
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm from Virginia, UM, so I look

858
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: forward to hearing you guys, UM every so I'd love

859
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: to get their feedback, especially on them CAP. So I've

860
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: got it. Unless there, thank you. I appreciate it. UM.

861
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: You would really far down the road there, UM in

862
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: terms of looking ahead, which is fine, UM, one from

863
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: one I'm being told aside from Chase Young, there's probably

864
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: not a top ten edge rusher in this draft. So

865
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: unless you're getting him, which you might need the first

866
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: overall pick to do that, it's hard to to put

867
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: that in there. I'm always one to say draft guys

868
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: at the premium position, so cornerback, offensive tackle, pass rusher, quarterback,

869
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: because those guys lances we've seen are always very expensive

870
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: in free agency and they're hard to find. I think

871
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: some of the positions he targeted are good positions to target.

872
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: Might you want to look for an upgrade at center? Yeah, maybe,

873
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I think how appeal is fine, but you can always

874
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: look for an upgrade. Inside linebacker is a good spot.

875
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's very important for the team to

876
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: get younger at offensive tackle. And I think, I look,

877
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Jack Conquines not an old player, He's coming off his

878
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: rookie contract. Why the heck did the Titans not pick

879
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: up his fifth year option? I mean seriously, like that, Like,

880
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: you don't just let good young tackles walk away. That's

881
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: not how this league works. People don't do that. So

882
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: I'd really like to know why they did not pick

883
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: his fifth year option up, because to me, that was

884
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: really really odd. Well, I think it goes back to

885
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: you gotta do your homework, you gotta do your research.

886
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: Just because he's a young guy doesn't mean you have

887
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: to invest in him. There may be something more that

888
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: you know. The Titans know that clearly the rest of

889
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: the league is unaware of. I would agree with you.

890
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: I think they do have to get younger. I think

891
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: maybe Nick Gates is in the conversation, depending on you know,

892
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: whether or not they want to develop him at that

893
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: position and also go the route of the draft, but

894
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, to speculate on you know who's going to

895
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: be available in the third round, in the second round.

896
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: At this point, I think we're getting away ahead of ourselves.

897
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: And I will bring out my draft show point that

898
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: I make all the time when we do shows in

899
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: March and April. You don't draft positions, draft players, correct,

900
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: so we also, I don't know who's gonna be on

901
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: the board. And you may say the Giants need an

902
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: edge rusher, the Giants may not be enamored with that position,

903
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: so it really defeats the purpose. As far as the

904
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: larger point that the caller was alluding to, and I've

905
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: said this multiple times, Dave Gentleman cleaned up what Jerry

906
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Reese had done in two thousand sixteen. I would be

907
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: surprised if he then goes out on a humongous spending

908
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: spree again, which is what the Giants did in two

909
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. I could see him spending a lot of money,

910
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: but I think it will be spread out a little

911
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: bit more without so much large guaranteed money going to

912
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: a couple of gays, meaning that you're not gonna take

913
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: to me all your money and lock it up with

914
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: three players for example. Correct. I think there's wider roster

915
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: issues that need to be addressed to address not just

916
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: the starters, but addressed the bench. To Leonard Williams, if

917
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: you went out and acquired him, you know that clearly

918
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: is going to be somewhat of a priority to retain

919
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: his rights because he gave up assets for that, so

920
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: that's it's part of the money that you'd have to utilize.

921
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, I would agree with the caller. I think

922
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: he's been very productive and you hope that it continues

923
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: to go that way the rest of the season. And

924
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I think his play does warrant another contract if they

925
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: feel he's a good fit for the Giants. He seems

926
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: to be returning to full health and he's been productive.

927
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: He's been by far their best pass rusher. So you

928
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: know that's somebody that I think you have to entertain

929
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: bringing back would be nice to bring in. Though a

930
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: compliment to him, John because I go back to as

931
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Arizona days he had Chandler Jones playing opposite him and

932
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: that's a nice luxury to have. Now he's the guy,

933
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: and he needs somebody else to force the defense the offense.

934
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: Excuse me to take some playmakers and draw attention to

935
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the other guys so he has some favorable one on

936
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: one matchups. Yeah, to me, he's Leonard Floyd. But you

937
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: don't have a Khalil Mack yet. So can you go

938
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: out and get a Khalil Mack to then bring out

939
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: even more production out of Marcus Golden? Right? Exactly to

940
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: let's go line too. Let's say it was up to

941
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Dennis in California, dennist what's up? Hey? How much? Just

942
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: checking with you guys. I'm obviously he's been talked about

943
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: quite a bit as far as quarterback situation. Um, I

944
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: just wanted to point out that I don't remember, you know,

945
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: the setting down of Eli Manning. I don't remember any

946
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: other team ever doing that with it. That's in the

947
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: back during the season. Um there, unless you could refresh

948
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: my memory at the end of the season, you know,

949
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: where they're having a quarterback that's getting up in age

950
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: and you know, just not productive anymore. But I don't

951
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: remember any team ever doing that to their quarterback during

952
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: the season. I mean, when teams draft high draft picks,

953
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: they don't always put them in right away, and you'll

954
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: see them in started at any point during the year,

955
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: depending on what the who the player is and and

956
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: what the team you're looking for is. I don't think

957
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: that was necessarily that odd. I was surprised, based on

958
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: how the team had talked about it in the off

959
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: season that happened that quickly. I think, you know, we

960
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: all kind of talked about that a lot. But I

961
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: do think it's funny. Again, this doesn't mean it was

962
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: the wrong decision, and that's not the point I'm trying

963
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: to make. But everyone after the first two losses of

964
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: the year, going away from Elie Man who was going

965
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: to solve all these teams problems, and off it's fixed.

966
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Now you always changed your quarterback, You're gonna be fine.

967
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: I think what we've seen is that the problems ran

968
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot deeper than just a quarterback position, which is

969
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of the point that we were trying to make

970
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: all along. Well, and I can give you I can

971
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: give you another example, actually, because I was doing research

972
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: on this. Jake Cutler took over Jake Plumber in two

973
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: thousand six with the Denver Broncos, and the Broncos actually

974
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: had a winning record, and they made the unpopular decision

975
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan to go in the direction of Jake Cutler.

976
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: So there's an example of a rookie didn't start from

977
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. Mid year, all of a sudden,

978
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: replaces of Veneran, who helped his team post a winning record.

979
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was benched in favor of Eli Manning. Going

980
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: back to two thousand four, that would be another example.

981
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Dennis, it's rare, but we're

982
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: not entering necessarily uncharted territory, which is the way the

983
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: Giants went this season. Yeah, I just my observation was

984
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: that the first two games that the Giants lost with

985
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: Eli was against Dallas and Buffalo, two very very good teams. Yeah,

986
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: so I just felt that they should have And when

987
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: Eli was playing those first two games, he basically had

988
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: a very weak receiver corps. There was like three receivers out,

989
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: so they should at least waited. I think it had

990
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: been weak four when you're one receiver that was on

991
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: suspension was coming. I think it was gonna be Week

992
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: four where they would have been a full strength. Then

993
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: obviously in that week and then the following week after that,

994
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: if Eli was not being productive, then I could see it.

995
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: I just think I just since my opinion. I just

996
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: think it was a very, very very poor decision. And

997
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: it's lucky for the Giants that Eli is a very

998
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: nice person, basically because I don't think any other veteran

999
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would have put up with what was done to him.

1000
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: So I just think it was I just I didn't.

1001
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: I didn't, I didn't like any long but anyways, appreciate

1002
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: the five on three Big Book is presented by Corpse

1003
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Light and when the ultimate v I P Game Day

1004
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: experience courtesy of course Light takes v I P to

1005
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: nine oh four six four for more details, line too,

1006
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Bob in Pennsylvania, and this will be my last call.

1007
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Then Lance will take it the last ten minutes on

1008
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: his own. I'm getting pulled out for something, not thrilled

1009
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: about it. Go ahead, Bob. I'm suffering pretty bad actually

1010
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: these days. And I go back to nineteen seventy three

1011
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: when I've had season tickets. I've never called for anybody's head, um,

1012
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: and you have to go back to Ray Hanley for me.

1013
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: So I don't really think that I'm rash and my assessments,

1014
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: but um our coach is getting coached out coached every week.

1015
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: He's he's not he If anything, he's a good offensive coordinator,

1016
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: he's not a head coach. And I'd like to say

1017
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: directly to Mr Mara, if you're out there, we're all

1018
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: pretty upset about this. I think, real true. We want

1019
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Mike a cart the type of real head coach, not

1020
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: at Jason Garrett type. And it has to happen. And

1021
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I have to root

1022
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: for them to lose the rest of these games because

1023
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: that's the only way I feel it's going to be

1024
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: assured that that that he's going to be removed. And

1025
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about even the two wins it was.

1026
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: It was a good year. I like del quarterback and

1027
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I'll look at it as a positive year from that.

1028
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: But Mr Shermer has to go. I'm sorry, Hi, Bob,

1029
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: thanks to the call. And I can just tell you

1030
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I know you're upset, and Giant fans are upset. Every

1031
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: right to be seasons taken, hold us, get it every

1032
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: right to be no one. No one should be happy

1033
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there at two and nine. No one's

1034
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: arguing you shouldn't be. Um, And I can tell John

1035
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: Mayer's upset about it too, trust me. Nope, I'm gotta

1036
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: see the looks on his face at half times of

1037
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: these games and the losing end of games, get on

1038
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: the team bus, and he's not happy. I mean, guys,

1039
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: this is what this isn't like the rich guy that

1040
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: bought a team and he has another business. This is

1041
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: what he does. He cares, he's invested. He's standing out

1042
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: there practice almost every day when he doesn't have league

1043
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: meetings and other duties and stuff like that. So trust me,

1044
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: he cares an awful lot. So UM, don't worry about that.

1045
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: In terms of you know, we're not going to speculate

1046
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: on on coaches. That's not what we're gonna do here. Um,

1047
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: but look the record of the record. We'll see where

1048
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: the record is end of the year, and then the

1049
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: John's have to make a decision. That's simple. Yeah, I mean,

1050
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. They're not gonna, you know, evaluate

1051
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: things with five games to go like any other team,

1052
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: most teams in the NFL, you wait till the end

1053
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: of the season and you determine what you want to

1054
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: do just real quickly. As a side note, and I'm

1055
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: not trying to get into the game of speculation, but

1056
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: you know he brings up the last caller that Pat

1057
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Shermer has an offensive coordinator background. Well, Mike McCarthy comes

1058
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: from the same exact background. Yeah, to me, I actually

1059
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: consider McCarthy and Garrett very similar as said coaches. They're

1060
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: kind of like CEO types, you know what I mean,

1061
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: And McCarthy is more of a play caller. And by

1062
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the way, guys, just for just just again, we're not

1063
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: speculating about coaches, and McCarthy's not he's he's not working

1064
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: for anybody right now, I'll just stayed a fact about it. Okay,

1065
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: you know where Ben mcado got his offense from, Mike McCarthy.

1066
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: That's right, that's his staff, that's his mentor. So I'm

1067
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: not sure you're gonna go back down that path again. Anyway, Lance,

1068
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: you got the last ten minutes. Sounds good? All right,

1069
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: We will let you business all right. Two zero one, night,

1070
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: four five one three is the telephone number. Will finish

1071
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: up with a few phone calls as we take you

1072
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: up un till the bottom of the hour. Let's go

1073
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: to Joe in Pennsylvania. Joe Welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live.

1074
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: What's happening? Do guys have any thiland all left? Are

1075
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: Are you done? Younger? And before John goes they don't

1076
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 1: see him. Well, he's already gone, Joe, So you're gonna

1077
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: have to, unfortunately deal with me. So I will try

1078
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: to be your tail and all for the remainder of

1079
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: this phone call. How can I help you? What? What

1080
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: else can we help diagnose? Um? I was going to

1081
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: bring up what you said there if he would have

1082
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: blocked uh Jenkins, even if he just got in the

1083
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: way and shuddered the most just a hair just in

1084
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: the end zone. So and another problem that bothered me.

1085
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: It just happens. Like I said, we're talking about coaching

1086
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: play the throw to Barkley that could have changed the game.

1087
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: Him just catching that little path there would maybe put

1088
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: us right there at least in field goal position if

1089
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: we made it. That's another story. You know, you can't

1090
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: go over that. There are whence are we with with

1091
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: the sixteen game schedule and what we have left? You know,

1092
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're favored to lose them all if that happens.

1093
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: Are we Is this gonna be the worst record for

1094
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: the Giants in the sixteen game schedule. Well, I actually

1095
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: have the entire archives in front of me in terms

1096
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: of the sixteen game schedule. The worst record that the

1097
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Giants have had, That as a good question. They were

1098
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: two and twelve and nineteen seventy four, but clearly that

1099
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: was a fourteen game schedule, and they were three and

1100
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: eleven in nineteen seventy six. That was also a four

1101
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: team game schedule. So in terms of once the six

1102
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: team game schedule started, it looks like three wins was

1103
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: the least amount. There were three twelve and one in

1104
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: three Joe. To answer your question, and if I'm looking

1105
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: at the numbers correctly, I think three wins was the

1106
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: least amount. And then we're talking about three wins again

1107
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen when they were three and thirteen.

1108
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: So I think three is the lowest amount of total

1109
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: wins they've had since the schedules gone to sixteen games. Well, uh,

1110
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: if if we get one more win, I'm just hoping

1111
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: and praying. I'd like to be a spoiler dumping the

1112
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: Eagles there. We have them twice, and I listened to theirs,

1113
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, and they count us. Then the Dolphins and

1114
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: the Redskins all as victories. That's who they have left,

1115
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: and they have to play uh Dallas yet you know,

1116
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: so I'm just looking up that THEMN but I think, uh,

1117
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: the one player we left go there to the running

1118
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: back to Detroit. He was let go. What's his purpose perpose?

1119
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: Bringing him back for a look? See? Because he could

1120
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: when we lose the player, you know he next year

1121
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be stronger again. I don't know if

1122
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: anybody picked him up in the well, but I mean, Joe,

1123
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: the bottom line is right now, they got to get

1124
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: say Quan Barkley on the right track. I mean, the

1125
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: lack of personnel is not the issue for the Giants

1126
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: in the running game. It's the productivity. And then behind

1127
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: Barkley you have Wayne Goldman. So you know, worrying about

1128
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: bringing back Paul Perkins, I just think of the big

1129
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: picture of things, that's not what's going to solve the issues.

1130
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: They have the personnel. They need to find a way

1131
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: to improve on the execution standpoint. So you know, getting

1132
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: caught up in in terms of the running back depth chart,

1133
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: I think is the least of their worries right now. Okay,

1134
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: A big plus. I was very thankful and thankful to God,

1135
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: and maybe he can finish out the season Shepherd without

1136
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: any more concussions, because you know, his careers on the

1137
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: line there. So okay, all right, Joe, you too happy Thanksgiving,

1138
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Unfortunately gold to take out dealing

1139
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: with the concussion. The you know, bad feature for what

1140
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: the Giants have had to deal with this season is

1141
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: when one guy returns to the lineup and all of

1142
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: a sudden they've been losing another guy. And you know,

1143
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: yesterday was the first time they actually had their top

1144
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: three wide receivers in the lineup in Golden Tate, Darius Sladen,

1145
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: and Sterling Shepherd. And you'd like to see Daniel Jones

1146
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to work with that nucleus for the

1147
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: remaining five games, But right now tate status is now

1148
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: up in the air because he's in concussion protocol. So

1149
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, that just puts more challenges in front of

1150
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: a young quarterback when you're constantly changing the personnel in

1151
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the outlook for the remainder of

1152
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: the five games. They're not worried about. I can tell

1153
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: you you know whether or not this is gonna go

1154
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: down as one of the mathematically worst seasons in franchise history.

1155
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: They're worried about right now winning a game. And you know,

1156
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: the last caller brought up the Philadelphia Eagles re member.

1157
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: The Eagles are very much in the thick and things

1158
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys for first place in the NFC East,

1159
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have a lot riding on those two

1160
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: matchups upcoming with the New York Giants. The Redskins and

1161
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins mathematically don't have much to play for other

1162
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: than you know, jockeying for position in terms of the

1163
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: draft and finishing strong. So you know, really, when you

1164
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: look at the remainder of the Giant schedule, it's a

1165
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: variety of different teams. Some have something to play for,

1166
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: some don't. But I could tell you this, the Giants

1167
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: are not looking at the opponents and saying to themselves

1168
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: what they have on the line the opponents. They just

1169
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: look at the try to win football games. And that's

1170
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: the task at hand at this point, to try to

1171
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding with this seven game losing streak. Let's

1172
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: head back to the lines. Len Is in Columbia, Maryland.

1173
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: What's happening? Line? Oh wow, Lance, I never thought it

1174
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: would get this bad. I mean, this is you know,

1175
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: two and nine. Maybe that's the only numbers we need

1176
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: to look at. But you know, you look at seven

1177
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: and we've lost seven in a row only eight times

1178
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: in our history. If we lost seven in a row,

1179
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: we've got a ninety five year history. I mean, we're

1180
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: looking at it as bad as it gets. By the way,

1181
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: the most in a row is nine. Um, maybe we

1182
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: beat the Packards and break that streak then, or maybe

1183
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: we come back to next week and beat the Eagles

1184
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: on Monday night and break that streak. Hard to think

1185
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: they can win one of the next two games. I

1186
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: mean when you lose seven in a row, I mean

1187
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: you're a bad team playing badly. I mean, okay, so

1188
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: who accumulated the players and why are we playing badly? Well?

1189
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: Why what we got playing down? Maybe you know three

1190
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: neutral zone interactions? Um, I mean again six yards for

1191
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: first down? We run four yard patterns, keep a couple

1192
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: of third down plays. I mean, what's throwing the ball

1193
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: to Scott Simmons. I mean he just joined the team. Well, Simmons,

1194
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: it's been the whole thing I was going to say.

1195
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: In fairness, I mean Scott Simmons. Yes, he just came

1196
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: off the street, but he had been with the team

1197
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: last year, and he also was with the team during

1198
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: the course of the preseason. It's not like somebody else

1199
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: who has no familiarity with the scheme. If that's your point,

1200
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: you know you're dealing with a player that had no

1201
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: own the personnel around him, and also knew the scheme

1202
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff. So they didn't really ask Scott

1203
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: Simonson to do things that he had not been asked

1204
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: to do previously. I was trying to be a nice lance. Well,

1205
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: but did you want to throw the ball to Scott Simonson? Well,

1206
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you're making it sound like they were throwing

1207
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: to Scott Simmons in fifteen times yesterday, Lena, At least

1208
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: let's put things in perspective. There were some there were

1209
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: some key spots in the fourth in the fourth quarter

1210
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: where they were throwing a ball of Simonson. Um, I mean,

1211
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: I just Simonson had the ball hold on Glenn. Simonson

1212
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: had one pass thrown his way and he caught it

1213
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: for ten yards. Yesterday, he had one target Simonson did. Yes,

1214
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: Simonson had one target and he caught it for ten yards.

1215
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: So what are we talking about here. Well, that's a

1216
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: good question. What am I talking about? I'm I mean,

1217
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: I may be off here on that land. I'm not okay,

1218
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: all right, And I'm sorry I wasted your time on

1219
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: that because you're are obviously obviously right. You got the

1220
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: numbers in front of me, UM, and I apologize. It's

1221
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: um to everybody listening to UM. You know Lance, do

1222
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: you I mean you see growth? Well growth with respect

1223
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: to what you know? What are we going down to?

1224
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: If you asked me about individual players, yes, I think

1225
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: there's individual players on this roster that have made strides.

1226
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones has made strides. I like what

1227
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm seeing out of Darius Slayton I referenced earlier in

1228
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: the show. I think Marcus Golden is having a very

1229
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: productive season. So yeah, if you're asking me based on that,

1230
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: I would give you a number of players who I

1231
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: think have shown development. It unfortunately has not translated much

1232
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: to a team element, and that's what counts at the

1233
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: end of the day. But if you're talking about progress, yes,

1234
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: from an individual standpoint, I think there's been progress. From

1235
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: a team standpoint, unfortunately, there's nothing to back that up. Well,

1236
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: that's for sure, and I don't. I don't see enough

1237
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: of it to see that's getting any better. Lance when

1238
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: you deal with the individual, I don't see. I mean

1239
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: this this team right now, lance to me isn't isn't

1240
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: even good enough to win by accident. They're not They're

1241
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: not even good enough to get lucky to win by accident.

1242
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: And you would think just by accident somebody would break

1243
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: off a run and catch a pass. Uh, I mean,

1244
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: do something in a key spot, not miss the field.

1245
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Go look at the two things we will look. If

1246
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: everybody said, you know, field position is the key against

1247
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: the Bears, We've got to get field position. We we

1248
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: gotta win the turn off a battle, well, well both

1249
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: of those things happened. And I mean it's just I mean,

1250
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: the the play on the field is just awful. It's

1251
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: it's getting awful. Um. I'm not sure. I'm not I'm

1252
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: not going to say anything about the coach. We just

1253
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, let it be see where we are, do

1254
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: the analysis at the end of the season. Um, but

1255
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: we're in We're in record territory for in epness and

1256
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't see a terribly bright future. We're gonna have

1257
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: to overpay we're gonna have to overpay in free agency.

1258
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: He always do. But you're gonna have to do what

1259
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: Jerry did. Jerry over payton free agency. We got lucky

1260
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: for that one year. Um. I mean we're rebuilding the

1261
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: rebuild glance. Um, there's no way to look at it

1262
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: and say we're getting better. I just I just don't

1263
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: see it. Um. You know, I I want to. I

1264
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: want to give Daniel more of a chance. I'm not

1265
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: negative on the guy. We had to make a change.

1266
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it happened when it happened. I agree with

1267
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: the other caller. I'm sorry it happened when it happened,

1268
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: but we had to make a change. We eventually we

1269
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: had to make some kind of change at the quarterback.

1270
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: And we'll just see what happens with Daniel. But I

1271
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: mean the rest of it's a array of players. Um,

1272
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what Davis done for us. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've got more worse. And it's his team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's his players, um. And and they're not they're not.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're not even playing as well as they can't.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to, you know, fifteen more

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Speaker 1: seconds and the thing on Barkley. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: If the stutter step moves we're so great? Why why

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Speaker 1: haven't more people done that? Manswer? What do you mean

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Speaker 1: by the stutter step moves? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: You see him when he's coming up upon a tackle

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Speaker 1: and he's going to do something, and all of a

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: sudden he gets into this hot step and jump routine. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've never seen anybody do anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean the spin moves, and we see Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: players like that, and I mean, I get that, but

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Speaker 1: he's something's wrong there. There's something's not right, and it's

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Speaker 1: more than just the ankle. Well, I'm sure that listen,

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Speaker 1: considering it's a high ankles, right, and let appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call, Thanks so much for weighing in. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that when you look at the timeline for players that

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Speaker 1: typically return from that injury and how quickly see Kwan

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Speaker 1: came back. Do I think he's one hundred percent? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's one hundred percent. Are we still

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Speaker 1: at the point though, that this is why the Giants

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Speaker 1: are not running the ball effectively? No? I also don't disagree.

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Speaker 1: I don't also don't agree with that sentiment. So I

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Speaker 1: think it's a combination of you know, not getting Sae

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley to the second layer of the defense, which

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Speaker 1: is where you want him to go up against linebackers

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Speaker 1: and safeties because you feel that gives him a better

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Speaker 1: chance to win the one on one battles. That's not

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Speaker 1: happening consistently enough. I think that's one factor. And then yes,

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Speaker 1: I think maybe another thing you could point to is

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Speaker 1: with the holes not opening up, maybe at times he

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01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: is trying to overcompensate by trying to get happy feet,

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Speaker 1: as I like to call it. I've referred to Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning that way in the past, where you know, you

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Speaker 1: start to hear the pass rushers come just because they're

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01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 1: so used to it and they're not necessarily always coming.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with Sa Kwan. The impatience

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01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: of the holes are not there. I gotta do something

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: to make nothing into something, and then all of a

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01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: sudden you wind up losing yardage as opposed to helping

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: your calls. So I think it's a combination of factors.

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01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: And even Sa Kwan himself spoke to that point before

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Speaker 1: their last game. He mentioned that, you know, in college

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: he had the tendency of having those happy feet and

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: he was going more in that direction and he wanted

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01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: to get away with that. But you know, when you

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: don't have the holes and you don't have the opportunity.

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: He's a guy like Barkley. Just think about, you know,

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: what he did it as a rookie, and how everything

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: seemed to come so easy, and it was one explosive

1325
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: play after another. Now all of a sudden, you go

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: from that to it becoming a big struggle. You know,

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01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: it can definitely play some games with the mind and

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: in terms of trying to sometimes dig a little too

1329
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: deep in terms of solving those issues. As with respect

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01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: to the roster, and you know what they've constructed. It

1331
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: is a very young roster and you're relying on young

1332
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: guys to do a lot of the heavy lifting. For example,

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: we talked about the game against the Bears. You know,

1334
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: you're asking Corey Ballantine to consistently make plays. Julian Love

1335
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: just got really the most amount of defensive snaps and

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: he had in any other previous game. You're asking, you know,

1337
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, You're asking a lot of guys that don't

1338
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of NFL experience under their belt to

1339
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: consistently make plays. And when you do that, I don't

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: care what team you are, whether you're the Giants, you're

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: the Bears, you're any other team, You're going to have

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: ups and downs. I think that that's pretty much been

1343
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: well documented across the NFL landscape. The reason why the

1344
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: Bears are a great defense, they're relying on a lot

1345
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: of veterans on that team. Okay, when you look at

1346
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: the opposite sideline, Khalil Mack, Leonard Floyd, Okay, Rokwan Smith's

1347
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: relatively young, Kyle Fuller, Prince Amukamara, Eddie Jackson. Those guys

1348
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: all have at least four years in the league we're

1349
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: talking about now. The Giants do not have that luxury,

1350
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: even if I start tallying the amount of experience up front.

1351
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: So you're really talking about night and day, and it

1352
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise you why the Bears perform at one level

1353
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: and the Giants are performing at another level. Let's head

1354
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines as we look to wrap

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01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: up shop. We got Big Ed in Maryland. Big Ed,

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: welcome the Big Luke Kick Off Live. What do you

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: go for us? What's up? Big, What's happened to big end.

1358
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: So what do you have for us? Okay, I'm just

1359
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna we go do this real simple because we all

1360
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: gotta go. You guys gotta do stuff. So I don't

1361
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: say this one question, y'all go answer real simple. Is

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doing his job for your No? Yeah, I

1363
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is doing his job. Yeah, I do.

1364
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Is the others doing their job? Yes? So why do

1365
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: we keep losing strategy? It's about strategy, and if it's

1366
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: about strategy, to execute because we're not. Yeah, say, because

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: I've been hearing the cause the same poor execution. So

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I watched the highlights right because I

1369
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: didn't see the game yesterday, So I watched the highlights right,

1370
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: and it came down to the point where the game

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: going on as it is, and we're doing stuff we

1372
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: need to do to be in it, but he don't

1373
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: take the extra step to do something more. It's like,

1374
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: go ford on't forth down when they don't expect you

1375
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: to do it, Like do an on side kick? Who

1376
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: would you come in off the second half? If you

1377
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: check it? You know? But then if that doesn't yeah,

1378
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: but big big head, If that doesn't work out. Then

1379
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're gonna be complaining that

1380
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: it was unnecessary risk. And for example, you led seven

1381
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: three entering the third quarter and the Bears got the

1382
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: ball to begin with in the third quarter. So if

1383
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: you want to go on sidekick, okay, and then you

1384
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: don't recovery, and now you give the Bears great field position,

1385
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: now they ultimately scored a touchdown. Anyway, you're then going

1386
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: to say it was an unnecessary risk. So to me,

1387
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: it's more of your damned if you do, you're damned

1388
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: if you're doing philosophy, and not to me, I would

1389
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: say is bad strategy because now you're starting to overthink

1390
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: things and you're doing things because you don't have confidence

1391
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: in the execution of your team. Yeah, man, it's it's

1392
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: it's brutal. I don't know, fellas. I mean, we're gonna

1393
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: keep trying and to believe that's something we can change

1394
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: with this. I mean, I'm not looking at it like

1395
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and all these other players who have never

1396
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: played in the league. But here's the thing. They played

1397
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: good ball, damn good ball in preseason. They showed to

1398
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 1: be together. I don't know what took place differently, which

1399
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: obviously it's the strategy, and then what happens during the game.

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: It's almost like counter punching because we're doing something great.

1401
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: This person is playing good, that person is playing good,

1402
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: this person is all right. But then it's like the

1403
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: other things are missing and then well you're seeing, you're

1404
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: seeing flashes. I think with the Giants, you're you're seeing

1405
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: of course, well, and that's what separates the good teams

1406
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: from the middle of the pack teams, the teams that

1407
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: do more than just flash, drive in and drive out,

1408
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: that they do it consistently versus the teams that you know,

1409
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: flash here or there. Yeah, they stay in games, but

1410
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: then they can't have that final punch that allows them

1411
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: to close out games. And I think that's what the

1412
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: Giants are struggling with. You know, you see big touchdown,

1413
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: you get back into a game it's four team, for example, yesterday, Okay,

1414
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: you get this stop, you get the ball back, and

1415
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, you can't muster

1416
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: refers down or you know, you wind up shooting yourself

1417
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: in the foot with the lack of self discipline. So

1418
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's what you get out of the Giants

1419
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: and it's a matter of them overcoming those issues and

1420
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: playing fundamentally sound football. And I'll let you go on

1421
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: that note, Big, I appreciate the phone call. And there's

1422
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: a reason why we continue to talk about the same

1423
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: themes and narratives every single week because the Giants are,

1424
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: you know, the oh so close team this season where

1425
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: you know they're doing things to keep them relevant, but

1426
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: then when the game is on the line, it's been

1427
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: either penalties, a sack aloud which leads to a fumble,

1428
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: you give up, a big special teams play, or a

1429
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: defensive score and it's the backbreaker play. The Khalil Mac

1430
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: play yesterday. You know that was a backbreaker play because

1431
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: now you gave the Bears the ball at the three

1432
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: yard line, they score a touchdown and all of a sudden,

1433
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: it's a nineteen seven game when it was thirteen seven.

1434
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: So you know, that unfortunately has been the biggest issue

1435
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: for the Giants. Or you know, you look at the

1436
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones plays with the Cardinals, the Trey Flowers plays

1437
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: with the Lions. Now the Khalil Mac plays with the Bears.

1438
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, the Giants haven't got in that type of

1439
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: play from their defense to close out a game, whereas

1440
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: the opposition has done that consistently. So you know, we

1441
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: could sit here untill we're blue in the face and

1442
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: talk about all the themes, all the issues. It's up

1443
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: to the players to put an end to it and

1444
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: find a way to stop the bleeding. And until that happens, unfortunately,

1445
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna be dealing with similar themes and similar issues.

1446
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, one other note that I want to bring

1447
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: up before we close out the show, and John and

1448
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: I didn't bring this up earlier. I was doing some calculations.

1449
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: The Giants have fourteen takeaways this season, which is not terrible.

1450
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: It puts them pretty much in the middle of the

1451
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: pack in the NFL, and they had two yesterday. They've

1452
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: only scored twenty seven points all fourteen takeaways. Do the math.

1453
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: That's less than two points a takeaway. You've got to

1454
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: be able to capitalize. And if you do something with

1455
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: those takeaways, is that going to guarantee that the Giants

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01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: have two or three more wins? No, but I'd say

1457
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: it probably put them in a position to win two

1458
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: to three more games this season. And you know, until

1459
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: they find a way to take advantage of their opportunities,

1460
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,480
Speaker 1: whether it be field position or to my point takeaways,

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna now put more pressure on your defense and

1462
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: more pressure on your offense to play perfect football. And

1463
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: this team unfortunately has not positioned itself to put a

1464
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: game together where it's put together that clean, ideal performance

1465
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: where they don't have to worry about a mistake coming

1466
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: back to bite them. That is gonna do it for us.

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