Speaker 1: Well THEO the NFL Daily presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook,
Speaker 1: where we would never dress our kid as the Rizzler
Speaker 1: for Halloween. I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.
Speaker 1: Steve Weiss is back for a doubleheader week from Weiss
Speaker 1: and Patrick Claybon is here.
Speaker 2: It's the week nine preview.
Speaker 3: Let's get it.
Speaker 4: Let's get it Week nine as we start in Germany
Speaker 4: on Sunday, looking forward to that halfway point, not this week,
Speaker 4: next week, not next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think so. Colleen
Speaker 1: hasn't left us yet. She's gonna actually do a half
Speaker 1: an episode that'll be our trade Deadline Day spectacular with Colleen.
Speaker 3: I don't know who's left a trade.
Speaker 2: It's true. I love it. I've been asking for this
Speaker 2: for years.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the NFL did it to appease me,
Speaker 1: but I've been asking for them to push back the
Speaker 1: trade deadline that happened, and I've been wanting us as
Speaker 1: the NFL to be a little more.
Speaker 2: Like the NBA.
Speaker 1: They get such good podcast mileage of talking possible trades
Speaker 1: all season long, Like why can't we have that?
Speaker 2: And we have that now?
Speaker 3: We have it. We have it now. Now it's kind
Speaker 3: of like, is the NFL going to become the NBA
Speaker 3: where it's like the haves and have nots by the
Speaker 3: midway point? Are we going to sit? Are we gonna
Speaker 3: top load the league?
Speaker 1: It's a big week for that because there are ten
Speaker 1: teams in the league that have two wins or less.
Speaker 1: So if you get a win this week, maybe you're
Speaker 1: not as big a seller. But if you're one of
Speaker 1: those ten teams and you don't get a win, maybe
Speaker 1: that'll make our show next week even better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you some time to make a decision.
Speaker 4: Perhaps there's a couple of general managers out there who
Speaker 4: are watching. Maybe some guys that we expect to play
Speaker 4: on Sunday, maybe they won't end up playing illness because
Speaker 4: they'll be shipped out coming up before Tuesday's deadline. The
Speaker 4: most significant event happening next Tuesday, and these ustatos unidos.
Speaker 4: Let's start guys going smallest to biggest spread this week,
Speaker 4: and we'll begin with the Chicago Bears. Is there a
Speaker 4: Hail Mary hangover going on the road to the Desert?
Speaker 4: Take on the Arizona Cardinals, The Bears favored by one.
Speaker 4: The Wow the over under forty four and a half points.
Speaker 4: Ian Eagle, Charles Davis, Evan Washburn on the call, Greg
Speaker 4: that we're trying to figure out who these Cardinals are.
Speaker 3: Is this a game that helps us find that out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a game I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm snake. I'm taking it as my late game.
Speaker 1: There's something the four to twenty five games.
Speaker 2: I want to watch.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray coming off his best game of the year.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who you would hope doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: his head doesn't get too big after getting put onto
Speaker 1: quarterback Island. Even that was one of the best performances
Speaker 1: all year. The last time he had one of the
Speaker 1: best performances all year against the Rams, he didn't really
Speaker 1: back it up, but this one came with more good
Speaker 1: plays in the pocket. The matchup is going to be
Speaker 1: really tough. We'll see if the Bears secondary gets healthier.
Speaker 1: But this is a team whose pass defense is absolutely excellent.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the hangover for the Bears. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hangover, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt because if you look at the schedule that
Speaker 1: they've faced so far. Bill Barnwell pointed this out easiest
Speaker 1: in the league. According to ESPN's Power Index. The schedule
Speaker 1: they faced from now on hardest in the league, and
Speaker 1: now the Cardinals are one of those hard teams because
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of talent defensively, but they
Speaker 1: throw some things at you and they're very tough to
Speaker 1: deal with that offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think the Hail Mary thing, it's gonna
Speaker 3: tighten things up in Chicago. I mean, the defense is
Speaker 3: already good, but the Tyreek Stevenson bs that he pulled,
Speaker 3: that's not gonna set it well. Everyone knows, Okay, we've
Speaker 3: got to be about that life this week, I think
Speaker 3: the Bears defense really gives the aero Zona Cardinals and my
Speaker 3: guy Kyler a tough time. I think Kylee's gonna have
Speaker 3: a pretty good game, but I just think they're gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot more buttoned up because of that of
Speaker 3: the way they lost, knowing that, yeah, they didn't play
Speaker 3: great offensively, but when they had to they did Again,
Speaker 3: I'm Caleb. To me, seems to be getting better and
Speaker 3: better every week in terms of understanding how to play football.
Speaker 3: I like the Bears in this game, and I like
Speaker 3: the over under line to at forty four and a half.
Speaker 4: I got the favorite flipped in this one. It's actually
Speaker 4: the Cardinals favored by one point at home. I think
Speaker 4: the Kyler in question it could be Kyler Gordon, as
Speaker 4: the Bears have been waiting to get him Anjaquan Brisker back,
Speaker 4: they've both missed a couple of games. I think that
Speaker 4: player that makes the secondary better. Clearly, I don't believe
Speaker 4: that that hill Mary happens. Maybe the Commanders aren't even
Speaker 4: in that position. But the fun thing looking back at
Speaker 4: that particular play is if the balls tipped anywhere to
Speaker 4: the left, Terry McLaurin walks him in the end zone. Yes,
Speaker 4: it was flayed all over the field. That it wasn't
Speaker 4: just Tyreek Stevenson. But a fun fact for this game.
Speaker 3: Greg. Three times the Bears on the Cardinals have needed
Speaker 3: a field goal in a go ahead or late game
Speaker 3: situation from Chad Ryland, the discarded kicker for the New
Speaker 3: England Patriots in the first one.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: I'm watching football with Greg Rosenthal on a Sunday and
Speaker 4: he's like, Oh, who's this kicker? Chad Ryley Oh, there's
Speaker 4: no way. He's been nails ever since Greg.
Speaker 1: He hit a fifty seven yarder last week. He's one
Speaker 1: of like he helped retire the greatest coach of all time,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Thought Belichick will probably get another job, but
Speaker 1: he helped Belichick lose that job, giving him a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. And yeah, now he's nabling it and they've
Speaker 1: needed it. They've won three games by two or less.
Speaker 1: I hate to just be like a Vibes guy, but
Speaker 1: when you come back from ten in San Francisco, and
Speaker 1: then you come back from ten in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: again last week against Miami, I do think you get
Speaker 1: a feeling that you can win any sort of game.
Speaker 1: I thought the Bears came out tight in that game, Caleb.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of the first month of the season
Speaker 1: for most of it until they got it going late.
Speaker 2: And so if this game is close at the end.
Speaker 1: There's something about this Cardinals team that I trust, and
Speaker 1: one of it's the pass protection. I'm kind of amazed
Speaker 1: Kyler hasn't been sacked in three weeks.
Speaker 2: And the Bears are very good.
Speaker 1: Their secondary is so good when they're healthy that they've
Speaker 1: made up for not a great pass rush for that team,
Speaker 1: so you could probably protect Kyler again, and the.
Speaker 3: Cards get healthier on that offensive line as well. They
Speaker 3: get more some more guys back and.
Speaker 4: You've seen that especially in James Connor's rushing totals, uh
Speaker 4: the past couple of weeks and an offense where and
Speaker 4: again finding out what this Arizona Cardinals team is like?
Speaker 4: Can they be consistent? Is it the schedule or is
Speaker 4: it the team. I'm excited to see and I'm fairly
Speaker 4: confident it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be a good game. It's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 4: And maybe Shane Waldron, we'll get our god Doug Kramer,
Speaker 4: some more carriers. Just a fun experience for all of
Speaker 4: us involved. Watching that game on.
Speaker 1: Sunday, you're still salty about it because he put the Bears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't deserve to win that game.
Speaker 1: They were they were getting the ball, you know, the
Speaker 1: Washington was moving the ball the whole time.
Speaker 2: Show up. I just want I just hope Kyler.
Speaker 1: Can handle the responsibility.
Speaker 3: Beat on k be on the island. That's a real deal.
Speaker 1: It would show real maturity. Three straight. They hadn't won
Speaker 1: two straight in three years. Let's go, let's go win
Speaker 1: three straight. I like this Cardinals team.
Speaker 3: They're fun. Let's do it a little insight who Greg's
Speaker 3: picking are coming up tomorrow. Let's go to our next game.
Speaker 3: It is in the Cardinals Division. The Rams a two
Speaker 3: point favorite on the road at Seattle. The Rams. Get
Speaker 3: everybody back up. We're all on board with the Rams.
Speaker 4: Apparently forty eight is the over under Kenny Albert, Jonathan
Speaker 4: Vilma and Meghan o'livi on the call. We got to
Speaker 4: see the Thursday night win across the street Steve Now
Speaker 4: with Cooper Cup and Pookinakoa Beck.
Speaker 3: It's it's all coming up. Rams. Talking about vibes you
Speaker 3: were talking about, you know, it seems like the Rams
Speaker 3: are that are that team at the midway point that
Speaker 3: can get hot. Right now. You get those guys back.
Speaker 3: The offensive line played better, the run game was better.
Speaker 3: I mean, you get your one in, your one a
Speaker 3: back out. Why Matthew Stafford looks like the best player
Speaker 3: in the NFL right now. But the thing that I
Speaker 3: I met about the Rams, every time I watch them,
Speaker 3: Jared Versu and Braydon Fisk show up. I mean, these
Speaker 3: guys are in on every replay, whether it's past pressure,
Speaker 3: whether it's in the run game. I like these two
Speaker 3: against the Seattle offensive line. I mean, Gino your boy,
Speaker 3: you know he's gonna have to get rid of it quick.
Speaker 3: I just I love the way those two guys consistently
Speaker 3: Rekavoc Byron Young shows up. We know, uh, I'm blanking
Speaker 3: the rookie defense. The second Jared ver Well the other
Speaker 3: the other defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Kobe Turner NFL Daily Guess Kobe Turner.
Speaker 3: I mean Teez Steve. I mean, I just like the
Speaker 3: way that this front plays. I think I think the
Speaker 3: points are close here. I think the Rams win by
Speaker 3: by more than two. I think have more than three
Speaker 3: in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Seattle is one of the hardest teams I think to
Speaker 1: predict right now in the NFL. I don't think Mike
Speaker 1: McDonald's defense is gonna be this bad this like forever.
Speaker 2: But they're not sound. It's not just about talent.
Speaker 1: We're talking about all these good players they have, and
Speaker 1: they make good plays, but there are guys just out
Speaker 1: of position. They're not setting the edge, They're missing a
Speaker 1: lot of tackles. The teams that have done really well
Speaker 1: against them have had a strong running game. We'll see
Speaker 1: how the Rams are there. They've definitely been better now
Speaker 1: that their offensive line is healthier. Kid Williams run as well.
Speaker 1: But what they've really struggled with more than anything is
Speaker 1: their linebackers with play action passing. And I know it's
Speaker 1: a different coach here in Seattle, but this I just
Speaker 1: have too many Rams game where Sean McVay dices them
Speaker 1: up with their play action passing. And so I think
Speaker 1: if your problem is you can't handle any play action
Speaker 1: and you got the Rams coming to town with a
Speaker 1: little extra rest, yeah, I'd start I'd start remembering all
Speaker 1: those Rams Seahawks games where they went up there and McVeigh,
Speaker 1: you put it on Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: But you're neglecting speaking of middle linebackers and speaking of
Speaker 4: the Rams, the opportunity for revenge there it is, Oh,
Speaker 4: that's it's the opportunity. Who has seen more Sean McVay
Speaker 4: play action than Earnest up the middle. And so now
Speaker 4: he's back, he's in Seattle, gonna go up against his
Speaker 4: old team. My main concern for the Seahawks in this one,
Speaker 4: other than the defense, is the offense just looked like
Speaker 4: it had both hands topped behind its back with DK
Speaker 4: metcalf yeah, and aside from all the calamities in the
Speaker 4: red zone early in the game where Gino gets his
Speaker 4: footstepped on and then the turnover on downs as well,
Speaker 4: just a bad situation against the Bills. That was their
Speaker 4: worst game to me in terms of execution offensively, but
Speaker 4: without DK, I don't know. It's ultimately going to come
Speaker 4: down to if DK is playing for me.
Speaker 2: I think there's some optimism that he can return this week.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Offensively, they'll get it done. The Rams
Speaker 1: numbers are pretty good. Our friend JB Long pointed out
Speaker 1: since since the week four, I believe, and they made
Speaker 1: a lot of changes in the secondary their top ten
Speaker 1: and EPA per play, they have a lot of pressures.
Speaker 2: We saw what Jared Verse can do.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think this is a good defense, but
Speaker 1: I think they're probably good enough to slow down the
Speaker 1: Seahawks a little more than vice versa.
Speaker 3: Rams are winless in three games on the road, though,
Speaker 3: so this is a big test because we know how
Speaker 3: tough it is a loom and field where the Seahawks
Speaker 3: have a losing record at home. How about that that
Speaker 3: used to be just like the most intimidating place in
Speaker 3: the NFL they have.
Speaker 2: They even won a game. Yeah, they won a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know if I also like,
Speaker 1: I want to see Pooker and Pooka and Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: back in full flow for another week, but before just
Speaker 1: like assuming the Rams are back, maybe I should.
Speaker 3: Just assumed it.
Speaker 2: You didn't see I saw it. I was there.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I want to see it more week.
Speaker 1: Some of the offensive line issues they were worried about
Speaker 1: coming into the season in theory could still be there
Speaker 1: against talented passbushers. Now, they played very well against Minnesota.
Speaker 1: That was the thing that stood out to be most
Speaker 1: live is that their offensive line kind of dominated that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after getting getting a lot of grief the first month.
Speaker 3: Of the year, and Watson highlights a quick game. You know,
Speaker 3: even though you're seeing this intermediate stuff, and then Pooka
Speaker 3: and Cupp are such so good and tough run after
Speaker 3: the catch. They keep that up. They can do that
Speaker 3: against this defense and move the ball and then give
Speaker 3: it to Kyra and the intel because all he does
Speaker 3: is score touchdowns.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a huge game here with them both
Speaker 1: having four loss. I guess every all these NFC West
Speaker 1: cons that they're they're so close. I assume the Rams
Speaker 1: wouldn't become sellers suddenly if they lose this game.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that conversation seemed a little forest for trees for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, the idea that the Rams would come sellers
Speaker 3: with all this talent.
Speaker 4: I think at the very least Gina will show us
Speaker 4: if the secondary issues in the Rams, if they were solved.
Speaker 4: I think that was a games the Minnesota Vikings where the.
Speaker 3: Vikings have, of course the talent to exploit some issues
Speaker 3: in the secondary, but they really weren't able to take
Speaker 3: advantage of.
Speaker 1: And like, are the Rams a team that can just
Speaker 1: push around opponents physically? And or Seattle take the challenge
Speaker 1: of what last week? If you didn't watch the end
Speaker 1: of that game, I thought it was one of the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing stretches that a defense had all season.
Speaker 2: Buffalo is just like we you know we're gonna run,
Speaker 2: We're gonna run.
Speaker 1: We're in your building and Keon Coleman and they're wide
Speaker 1: receivers are knocking them over in the running game and
Speaker 1: James Cook is running right through them. I was, dang man,
Speaker 1: they are just getting made to look like kind of
Speaker 1: a man.
Speaker 3: Attitude is a dangerous drug.
Speaker 1: Ken Coleman's got out of added Yeah, and a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean that was his best game last week.
Speaker 1: A lot of in rhythm type of throws, not just
Speaker 1: like the improvised plays that they had a week before.
Speaker 2: He was really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and ninety five yards his last two
Speaker 3: games for Keyon Coleman. Let's go to the AFC. The
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Chargers a two point favorite on the road
Speaker 3: against Jameis Winston the Nerve and the Cleveland Browns, who
Speaker 3: now to win.
Speaker 4: Last week scored over twenty points for the first time
Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty four season, over undersitting at forty
Speaker 4: three Spureau DTIs Adam Archiletta and A D D.
Speaker 3: Kika Walla. Our friend on the call, Steve are are
Speaker 3: we believers in the Jamis edition of the Browns? Not
Speaker 3: against the Chargers, I mean the Chargers defense. It could
Speaker 3: be getting Joey Bosa back. I mean they're locking teams down.
Speaker 3: I don't care who they're playing there. They're so sound
Speaker 3: in what they do. Their offense is also in addition
Speaker 3: to their defense because as they do control the ball,
Speaker 3: we know justin Herbert Island.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Island, those are the two new residents. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've caught up on your program. I mean
Speaker 1: here Patrick rightfully, Herbert and Kyler, two of the most
Speaker 1: fun to watch our are on. Well, one of your guys,
Speaker 1: Dac had to it's just been a tough year.
Speaker 3: It's understandable. Yeah, but I mean, I just the Charges
Speaker 3: are our team. I mean, look, they've been in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Right now, we're not talking about them because they don't
Speaker 3: score a lot of points. But Cleveland we'll see. I
Speaker 3: mean they looked real functional with Jamis driving down the ball,
Speaker 3: driving the ball down the field. It opened up things.
Speaker 3: The defense played better. I think the Browns, you know,
Speaker 3: j Okay's not in there. That guy is such an
Speaker 3: important part of what they do and be such an
Speaker 3: important part. And trying to slow down this impenetrable three
Speaker 3: yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Speaker 2: They need to get their running game going.
Speaker 1: Chargers though it's been off more times than not after
Speaker 1: those first couple of weeks where it was mostly JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins just popping a couple like long runs.
Speaker 1: Because the Chargers don't make sense to me if they
Speaker 1: don't have a good running game. They're getting they're getting
Speaker 1: carried Zadarius Smith some news on Wednesday, and maybe this
Speaker 1: will be updated by the time, like the week is out.
Speaker 1: Certainly he just wasn't at practice and no one is
Speaker 1: sure why. So you were talking about players, it is
Speaker 1: not showing up for games. Deonta Johnson, by the way,
Speaker 1: did not play for the Panthers last week. That kind
Speaker 1: of registered after the fact. It was like, huh, what
Speaker 1: if the Browns won this game, though they actually are
Speaker 1: high on the list of teams. To me, that might
Speaker 1: change their approach if they happened to win this game.
Speaker 1: Because if he won two in a row with Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston and then he traded Zadaria Smith two days later,
Speaker 1: what does that say to your fan? I mean that
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big middle finger to your fans and
Speaker 1: your team for it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Who they seen them, I get it,
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's what I mean. So that
Speaker 2: makes it even a bigger game.
Speaker 4: I do think there was a clear before and after
Speaker 4: in the game against the Ravens when Jeremiah Lusu Cormoa
Speaker 4: got hurt and what he does, especially on the edge
Speaker 4: and around the ball for the for the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 4: where the Ravens were able to get sustained drives.
Speaker 3: And I understand, you know, catching the ball helps in that, but.
Speaker 4: But it's the difference, and I think he makes a
Speaker 4: huge difference in defending uh this run game and also
Speaker 4: the other's part where I do believe in Clifton, I.
Speaker 3: Think that was a bad Jamis game. I think Jameis
Speaker 3: Winston can play a whole lot better than he did
Speaker 3: against Let's go, let's get Jamis on the island. I
Speaker 3: don't know, we're not necessarily there.
Speaker 1: He was going downfield, he was being aggressive. I know
Speaker 1: he could have been picked off two or three times,
Speaker 1: but that's that's famous.
Speaker 4: But but the difference I think in the typical Jamis
Speaker 4: interceptions where he's taking shots, he's taking chances, those were
Speaker 4: those were just bad throws, like Jamis made some bad
Speaker 4: throws against against the Baltimore Ravens. That if he gets
Speaker 4: those figured out, and this Chargers team isn't necessarily scoring
Speaker 4: a whole lot of points, I think there's a legitimate.
Speaker 1: And I thought the Browns defense didn't look right the
Speaker 1: first month of the season. They've played well since then,
Speaker 1: so they're kind of back to being the Browns defense
Speaker 1: we expected. I'm interested to see this Chargers defense. Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa did return last week, but he didn't really play
Speaker 1: that that much and was very quiet unlike his brother
Speaker 1: after the game. But I did notice that, like they
Speaker 1: are getting a lot of good production.
Speaker 2: This is good coaching.
Speaker 1: You have to give them a lot of credit Jesse
Speaker 1: Mint or Jim Harbaugh what they've done. They've taken a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies. Last week they had Cam Hart in Tarheeds.
Speaker 1: Still have you heard of these young gentlemen, middle round
Speaker 1: rookies playing cornerback for them and playing well, like playing
Speaker 1: well enough. Christian Fulton has got injured during that game.
Speaker 1: Then they've taken guys from other teams that weren't playing
Speaker 1: well Puna Ford, Christian Fulton, t R. Tart and they're
Speaker 1: all being very productive. That to me is like the
Speaker 1: number one side of good coach. If you can take
Speaker 1: other guys other teams, guys that weren't really playing well
Speaker 1: for them, and suddenly you find a good role for
Speaker 1: them and they're integrating these rookies in like that's that's
Speaker 1: a really well coached team. It's a good rookie class too,
Speaker 1: with Alton McConkie, Like they're really building something.
Speaker 3: And you know, to that point, you look what they've
Speaker 3: done in Washington and in Denver. They've got mutts, right,
Speaker 3: They've taken guys who other teams didn't want and they
Speaker 3: and defensively they're leading their team. So that's a really
Speaker 3: good point something to keep an eye on for some
Speaker 3: future podcast your discussions.
Speaker 1: I'm also, by the way, I'm not picking against Herbo
Speaker 1: right now. Read the moment I decide I'm not picking
Speaker 1: against Herbo anytime soon is when Carl Granderson, like a
Speaker 1: three hundred pound man, wrapped them up in the end
Speaker 1: zone and Herbo just shook them off just like he
Speaker 1: was just like a little kid.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's my Herbo.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Every once in a while he reminds them just how
Speaker 4: good he can be, especially when he's healthy. And again
Speaker 4: you mentioned lad McConkie the second most receiving yards among
Speaker 4: rookies against man coverage right now, two hundred and thirty eight.
Speaker 3: He was wide received for two in Fantasy last week. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean that is gonna get twenty seven targets a game,
Speaker 3: Load them up why not just we seen enough balls
Speaker 3: to Josh Palmer, are all respect?
Speaker 2: I'm not respect?
Speaker 3: And how much minimal respect do? Out to the Dallas
Speaker 3: Cowboys who are on the road at the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 3: who are a two and a half point favorite. Kirk
Speaker 3: and company been putting up thirty thirty thirty points. They
Speaker 3: score Greg Adam, I mean Greg Olsen, Pam Oliver, the
Speaker 3: over under fifty two in this one. You made a face,
Speaker 3: you were not a.
Speaker 2: Well it was because of the two and a half.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a number out there that's so crazy to
Speaker 1: me that it's like they're just begging you to take
Speaker 1: Atlanta in this game, which is who I am taking
Speaker 1: and will take. But I don't get it because this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team, it's not like you look under the hood
Speaker 1: and they're better than you think. Like statistically they're twenty
Speaker 1: six in DV away. They're just a bad team. I
Speaker 1: know the Falcons defense isn't great, but the offense is outstanding.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Darnell Mooney on pace for a thousand
Speaker 1: yards killing it. He's got more yards this season than
Speaker 1: I'm on Ross Saint Brown, then Stefan Diggs before he
Speaker 1: got her Marvin Harrison Junior like he's killing it. You
Speaker 1: got Drake Lennon producing, you got Kyle Pitts producing, It's
Speaker 1: all happening. There was a stat from next Gen Darnell
Speaker 1: Mooney has run more yards on the field than any
Speaker 1: receiver in the league this year. So he's out there.
Speaker 1: He's not just getting cardio. He's working. That's what a
Speaker 1: two lane man does.
Speaker 3: He shout out to that two lane conditioning. This is
Speaker 3: where I think when people look at the Falcons, that's
Speaker 3: how come the points are like this, Like they eat
Speaker 3: against the Buccaneers, they eat against a division and then
Speaker 3: they kind of and at home they're not.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys are a bad team and the Falcons
Speaker 1: are average. If you want to say they're average, that's
Speaker 1: a different.
Speaker 3: Here's here's where. Here's where I think the Falcons will
Speaker 3: do this and well at least talked about dudes. He's
Speaker 3: born out as Jesse Bates, right, and we know he's
Speaker 3: going to be in that slide. He keep doing stuff
Speaker 3: to help out on CD LAMB and what this guy
Speaker 3: is doing with the takeaways, he's everywhere. Jesse Bates is
Speaker 3: in every defensive frame of the show. And so I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be causing problems. Maybe get gets
Speaker 3: one from dak you know, Kirk o Chains, who we
Speaker 3: didn't get on the island. I'm a little I'm still
Speaker 3: a little hot about.
Speaker 2: That me too. I agreed with you on that. How
Speaker 2: did that?
Speaker 3: I sold out? I sold out? Everybody is a believer.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: He made an alliance to help get Kyler on. It
Speaker 1: was just a whole feel bad about the whole problem Stafford.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't fault Stafford. Yeah, I think kirk
Speaker 1: Go has been more.
Speaker 3: But I also I also think this is the type
Speaker 3: of game too where the Falcons where Bajon and Tyler
Speaker 3: Algier to start to pound the ball and eat up clock,
Speaker 3: get s game over quickly, get Jerry, you know, to
Speaker 3: douce on his coach a little bit more. Well, I
Speaker 3: think one thing that hurts is for Jerry Jones, specifically
Speaker 3: to look over in the division and seeing Washington Commander's
Speaker 3: defense that at the start of the season was doing
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing. And now is the defense that that we
Speaker 3: see right in week six, seven and eight. Who's leading
Speaker 3: that defense? Well, that would be the former defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys, who also had them number one
Speaker 3: in the league in quick pressures. And I understands there's
Speaker 3: been injuries, we've been missing Tank and Micah Parsons. But
Speaker 3: twenty four point two percent quick pressure last year, fourteen
Speaker 3: percent quick pressure this year, twenty first in the league.
Speaker 3: We've discussed it extensively, their inability or non desire.
Speaker 4: To run the football. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 4: of Column A and a little bit of Colin B.
Speaker 4: But the point again that we're we're in year seventeen
Speaker 4: talking about this with the Atlanta Falcons is getting pressure
Speaker 4: on the quarterback. And if you can't get pressure on deck,
Speaker 4: then then he can get seventeen targets to ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 4: Get you a few points and we'll see if this
Speaker 4: defense can muster something. But it's tough to imagine that
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It sounds like Jason John Abraham still haunt.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, but that was We always used to talk
Speaker 1: about that around the NFL, that the Jets have it
Speaker 1: at a pass rusher since John Abraham.
Speaker 2: But it's true about the Falcons too.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know if he's got to get
Speaker 1: any Hall of Fame consideration, but that would just not
Speaker 1: that that would be a good Yes, this is what
Speaker 1: the Dallas offensive line needs. Yes, is playing this. But
Speaker 1: the Dallas defense, they've given up the second most points
Speaker 1: in the league. They are dead last and red zone percentage,
Speaker 1: and they are bottom in turnover margin. It's just a
Speaker 1: lot of bad things. Their next games after this week,
Speaker 1: if they don't win Philadelphia, Houston and at Washington, it
Speaker 1: does not get easier for the Cowboys. So it is
Speaker 1: an important game for Mike McCarthy and yeah, the Falcons
Speaker 1: could make some distance there in the NFC South with
Speaker 1: the win.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're just getting started here.
Speaker 1: On the Week nine preview, We're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we're coming back. That's what I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: the game of the week, the game of the year
Speaker 1: so far back on NFL Daily. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: week that Greg Olsen gets the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: We got Tom Brady on the Game of the week
Speaker 2: Green Bade Detroit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's time for the Game of the Week presented
Speaker 4: by Draft Game. It is the Detroit Lions on the
Speaker 4: road at Green Bay. The first time that Jared Golf
Speaker 4: has played outside in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: The over under forty eight and a half, Kevin Burkhart,
Speaker 4: some dude named Tom Brady, Aaron Andrews, and Tom Rinaldi
Speaker 4: on the call, Greg, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think the fourteen games indoors, by the way, I
Speaker 3: have thirteen or four. It's a lot.
Speaker 4: My friend Adam Mik always says that Jared Golf is
Speaker 4: an indoor cat.
Speaker 3: We'll get a chance to see if he can shake
Speaker 3: that and get a win in Lambeau.
Speaker 1: Do you see it happening, Greg, Yes, if Jordan Love
Speaker 1: doesn't play, you'd feel even better about it. I think
Speaker 1: that informed the line at this point of the week.
Speaker 1: It could change. Jordan Love did not practice on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: but he said it was realistic that he could play
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Those groin injuries are tricky. Whether he could
Speaker 1: take like a shot to numb the pain. It's tough
Speaker 1: because you know you would think you kind of you
Speaker 1: need you need to be able to tork it. You
Speaker 1: know you need to make it happen to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: And as good as Malik Willis has been this year,
Speaker 1: I think I think you need everyone to beat one
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: If Malik Willis is out there, or if it's Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is key. He's now not only been breaking tackles,
Speaker 1: I think he has the most yards after contact in
Speaker 1: the entire league. He's starting to make big plays again
Speaker 1: like he did in his best years with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: He is in the top ten of rush yards over expected.
Speaker 1: This is a really good run scheme, like Lafleur knows
Speaker 1: how to scheme it up. I think the offensive line
Speaker 1: is very cohesive. Jacobs is part of the running back
Speaker 1: matter brigade of all these guys who changed teams this
Speaker 1: offseason and really impacting going up against a team that
Speaker 1: believed in changing their running back so much they made it,
Speaker 1: you know, the centerpiece of their offseason, Jamior Gibbs and
Speaker 1: David Montgomery, when Dave Dan Campbell got there, and look
Speaker 1: at all the benefits that it's had.
Speaker 2: So this is an old school game. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: If Jordan Loves out there, I might flip my pick there.
Speaker 3: Oh fifty five degrees eighty nine chance of raining Sunday
Speaker 3: in Green Bay, Wisconsin. So Jared goff in those elements, Patrick,
Speaker 3: that is something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Oh it really is it? Really is it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely. At this point.
Speaker 1: His last game for the Rams was in Green Bay
Speaker 1: in the elements, and that that helped send him home.
Speaker 2: Right, And I go, well, I remember, right, I just remember.
Speaker 1: I remember the disgusted looks of Sean McVay on the sideline,
Speaker 1: was like, let's have a little more of a poker
Speaker 1: face here if how much you don't like your quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: A great game for Jared Goff because they got him
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 1: Situation, okay, fair, sorry, absolutely, God bless the broken road.
Speaker 3: And he's got Dave mcgomery back come up throwing the ball.
Speaker 3: So I so you know you talk about Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 3: I just that tandem they have in Detroit in that
Speaker 3: offensive line, I think elements are not when I when
Speaker 3: I watch tape of the Lions, it is so incredible
Speaker 3: how Panay School sticks out as the best player on
Speaker 3: the field. That guy is so dominant. If you look
Speaker 3: at number fifty eight to right tackle on some of
Speaker 3: these plays, look at he's just wheeling guys, He's taking
Speaker 3: him and wheel him and open up these run lanes.
Speaker 3: And that's why the conditions are not. I like the
Speaker 3: Lions in this game because they're O line not not
Speaker 3: the most dominant left side, but center to the right.
Speaker 3: They can do it. So I like Detroit in this
Speaker 3: what are the points at three and a half? Wooh
Speaker 3: ted points right there.
Speaker 1: That's that's a Malik Willis line. So we'll see, okay,
Speaker 1: but we just don't know. Yeah, at this point, probably
Speaker 1: it seems like one maybe they'll take all the way
Speaker 1: to Sunday.
Speaker 4: We saw Jordan Love on the bike on Wednesday at practice. Again,
Speaker 4: as Greg said, we're just gonna have to find out.
Speaker 4: But I think the place that we do know right regardless,
Speaker 4: like Jared Goff in the elements, notwithstanding Kirby Joseph and
Speaker 4: Brian Branch in safety from the Williams right now have an.
Speaker 3: Entire part of the field on clamps.
Speaker 4: Yes, they do the tight end scoring Like I just
Speaker 4: did this for Fantasy Live, trying to figure out where
Speaker 4: why are they're so successful against tight ends. Two of
Speaker 4: the top tight ends in the league this year in
Speaker 4: Caate Otton as well as Trey McBride, totaled three catches
Speaker 4: for twenty three yards, both of them combined against the
Speaker 4: last great stuff thin like Terry on Arnold is playing better.
Speaker 4: We saw him get all those faculties, but just up
Speaker 4: the middle and through. I think it makes a tough
Speaker 4: situation because Tucker Craft is a big part of this offense. YEP,
Speaker 4: whether it's Malik Willis or Jordan Love. I like the
Speaker 4: line Herbie Joseph's a hell of a player.
Speaker 1: Many shout out to Tucker Craft of like steal and
Speaker 1: Sam ports Thunder a little bit in this division as
Speaker 1: just like the tight end rumbling down.
Speaker 2: The field second year player. Just they've been both great
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love's numbers against man coverage are like bizarre to me.
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I saw this. NFL Pro had
Speaker 1: put this out. Four point three yards per attempt against
Speaker 1: man coverage. Just has been terrible against man coverage this year.
Speaker 1: That's what the Lions like to do more than any
Speaker 1: other team.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The thing I do worry about with the Lions, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's totally showed up yet in the
Speaker 1: box scores, is their pass rush really is bad, not good,
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna need to blitz to create pressure
Speaker 1: and that it leaves the one on ones. And I
Speaker 1: guess those numbers say Jordan Love hasn't been great against
Speaker 1: man on coverage, but he's got some great receivers, don't.
Speaker 1: I think that is not gonna last. And so these
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks just by the numbers, are so different against pressure.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff has been outstanding against pressure, and the Packers
Speaker 1: aren't getting a lot of pressure. You know, Kenny Clark, Comedy,
Speaker 1: QB hits and saxy as this year, Big Fat zero
Speaker 1: On Bold and Rashan Gary barely has any production either.
Speaker 1: It's really surprising how they've manufactured a good defense despite
Speaker 1: that a lot of turnovers.
Speaker 3: Still trying to figure out some of the schematics and
Speaker 3: things like that, because those two players are so good.
Speaker 4: Edwin Cooper did get that win against the Jags and
Speaker 4: get the strip sacked that ultimately I think won.
Speaker 3: The Gameout out to his parents for sampling Edgeron. Wait, what,
Speaker 3: there's not too be the Edgeurans in this world, right.
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. You think they were inspired by James.
Speaker 3: Yes, just like you know, there's whole lot of Sequilles
Speaker 3: and you know today's generation and there weren't many when
Speaker 3: I was growing up before that. Guy O'Neill, Well, you
Speaker 3: know this, the Packers edge is really going to have
Speaker 3: to step it up if in twenty years we want
Speaker 3: to keep it going.
Speaker 1: It's like my son asked me, like, why are there
Speaker 1: so many professional athletes named Jalen? And I said, well, Son, like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to tell you about this college basketball
Speaker 1: team called the Fab Five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's why I don't know Jordans.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of Jordan's in this world. I like that.
Speaker 3: Love that.
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Speaker 3: From Jayalen to Jaden Daniels as his Washington Commander's three
Speaker 3: and a half point favorites on the road at the Giants,
Speaker 3: who might not even like playing in mid life. Forty
Speaker 3: three and a half points is the over under Chris Myers,
Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez and Christina pink on the call the Washington
Speaker 3: Commanders coming off of the big emotional win they get
Speaker 3: their quarterback back. Is there a spot, Steve, where you
Speaker 3: see the Giants making I think they could. When I
Speaker 3: watched that game the other night against Pittsburgh, I thought
Speaker 3: they played a pretty damn good game. People all over
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. I thought Brian Daywall called a really good
Speaker 3: game with some of the screens using the Steelers aggression
Speaker 3: against him. Just all the dumb penalties then the late takeaways.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is not the record, is what they
Speaker 3: are because of things like that. But you know they're
Speaker 3: not a calamity of a of a football team, right.
Speaker 3: But something about this Commanders we're seeing the Giants are
Speaker 3: owned Ford home. The Commanders are feeling really good, and
Speaker 3: I like the way they're Their defense is tightened up
Speaker 3: with Joe Witt. I know we talked about Dan Quinn,
Speaker 3: but Joe Whitt is a guy who's scheming up this
Speaker 3: defense and the fact that he's taken again. I talked
Speaker 3: about some mutts, some used parts from other teams and
Speaker 3: put them together, showing a light on Frankie Louvluvu, who
Speaker 3: was actually shining a light on everybody else and got
Speaker 3: in the secondary to play pretty well. When they know
Speaker 3: that that's I mean, their first pick next year is
Speaker 3: gonna be somebody in that defensive backfield. I liked them
Speaker 3: in this game. I think he keeps going to Washington.
Speaker 3: I think the defense needs to be talked about almost
Speaker 3: as much as the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have some numbers on that for you. And
Speaker 1: this is from next Greg's stats right here. This is
Speaker 1: like me putting in the components into the into the
Speaker 1: programming a next Gen sets. They are second in EPA
Speaker 1: for play since week four, a pretty long sample side,
Speaker 1: so throughout their first three weeks where they were dead
Speaker 1: last in just about everything. And I'm thinking, okay, one
Speaker 1: of the things I believe in defenses is the schedule
Speaker 1: you've played is probably the most important factor in how
Speaker 1: you're ranked. It's like, when you play good offenses, you
Speaker 1: don't do as well. When you play bad offenses, you
Speaker 1: do better. But they have a couple of good offenses
Speaker 1: in that stretch. They played Arizona very well. They played
Speaker 1: Baltimore and they gave up a lot of yards, but
Speaker 1: they did force some turnovers in that game, which which
Speaker 1: helps what they're doing. Twelfth and success rate so on
Speaker 1: a play to play basis not as good, but better
Speaker 1: than average, and fourth in points allowed, which is the
Speaker 1: most important stat of them. Also, that's a long stretch
Speaker 1: where they've figured some things out with a new scheme.
Speaker 1: This is a great litmus test because remember this matchup
Speaker 1: in Week two was the most dominant offensive performance in
Speaker 1: like a twenty one to eighteen game that you've ever
Speaker 1: seen from these two teams.
Speaker 2: And there was barely any puns.
Speaker 1: Both teams just went up and down the field, and
Speaker 1: yet it finished twenty one eighteen.
Speaker 3: Little insider information talk about the defense, they basically just
Speaker 3: pared it down. First couple of weeks. They were asking
Speaker 3: the guys, especially in the secondary, to do a whole lot.
Speaker 3: They're like, you know what, We're gonna let you play football,
Speaker 3: sinkers win, and that's that's where guys who've gained some confidence.
Speaker 1: Johnny Newton a guy I liked a lot in the
Speaker 1: draft process. Everything I heard about him, every thing I
Speaker 1: saw as a potential real difference maker. And he was
Speaker 1: hurt to start the year, but he started playing very well,
Speaker 1: which has helped make up for Jonathan Allen being out
Speaker 1: for the year.
Speaker 4: I have to look at this Giants defense, especially in
Speaker 4: the run game with Brian Robinson coming to town as
Speaker 4: well as Jay Woo. Where on the edges Najie Harris
Speaker 4: had so much space to run to where And I
Speaker 4: know that between Burns and Thibodeau that they want to
Speaker 4: get after the passer. But it's not like the Steelers
Speaker 4: were gonna drop back and throw the ball four to
Speaker 4: fifty times.
Speaker 3: They just seemed ill prepared. And now they're going to
Speaker 3: be in conflict with Jaden Daniels at the mesh point,
Speaker 3: and it's a lot to think about. I think this
Speaker 3: may be an easy win for the Why I know,
Speaker 3: well it won't. It won't be. It won't be easy.
Speaker 3: But to your point, Patrick, watching that game, like in
Speaker 3: the first half, the Giants defensive ends, we're just they're
Speaker 3: doing that upfield rush like like the Rams used to
Speaker 3: to rush back when rush was mobile. Like, No, just
Speaker 3: don't get so far upfield and keep your eyes on
Speaker 3: the court. They just opened up lanes for Nase and
Speaker 3: Jalen Warren all night long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they might not have Tyrone Tracy, who had a
Speaker 1: concussion on Monday night lost. I think that Andrew thomas
Speaker 1: injury was just one that this Giants team in particular
Speaker 1: couldn't afford. So that it's to me, it's two different
Speaker 1: teams in week two, So I'm with I'm with Patrick, Heck,
Speaker 1: I almost want to maybe change gears. We talked about
Speaker 1: potentially doing a Survivor pick. Later on in the show,
Speaker 1: do we want to get a little bolder and go
Speaker 1: commandos on the road?
Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I'm down. Let's do it. Let's be bold, let's let's
Speaker 3: be a little bolder man. They go to if they win,
Speaker 3: they go to seven and two. I love that. Just
Speaker 3: throw the planet.
Speaker 1: I just was feeling it as we're talking, talking it out.
Speaker 1: We can let you know later in the show.
Speaker 3: Do you Q the Coach of the Year right now? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Plus, I'm with it all right, congrats to DQ in
Speaker 3: the midway Coach of the Year. Campbell's just like, ah,
Speaker 3: what do I gotta do?
Speaker 2: We are in a little role here with the Survivor picks.
Speaker 3: Let's good, a little bit of a role. I like it.
Speaker 3: And we're we and we go risky here, and I
Speaker 3: like that. I like that.
Speaker 4: You want risk We could have taken this next game
Speaker 4: coming up, the Survivor po risky either way.
Speaker 3: The New England Patriots against the Tennessee Titans, a three
Speaker 3: and a half point favorite at home. Are the Titans
Speaker 3: Coach Callahan said, they're going to see what Will Levis
Speaker 3: is like and how he feels this week, Greg, does
Speaker 3: that move you one way or the other?
Speaker 1: No, I think the Patriots would have a better chance
Speaker 1: probably if we'll Levis starts right when you said we
Speaker 1: were talking about which survivor picks, you know, and during
Speaker 1: the break and you were like, well, how about Titans Patriots?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking which side are you?
Speaker 3: Even?
Speaker 2: You're on the Patriots?
Speaker 1: The Patriots as thunderdogs, now that I'm not going that far,
Speaker 1: but I think I'll pick them.
Speaker 3: It what wouldn't you? I don't know in a game
Speaker 3: like this, who's who's got the best quarterback? New England
Speaker 3: Drake May is the best quarterback in this game?
Speaker 2: You don't know for sure he's playing.
Speaker 1: Although it sounded like he was in stage three of
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: He was practicing on a limited basis. Yeah, usually a
Speaker 2: good sign.
Speaker 3: That's the phase, and usually on Thursday, if you're in
Speaker 3: that phase, I you know, look, I think he's gonna play.
Speaker 3: And with ramondre Stevenson run the ball. And we thought
Speaker 3: Tennessee was gonna was gonna buckle up, and they just
Speaker 3: got dragged by the Lions and they might be doing
Speaker 3: some little Anthony Richards and stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Now they've played the Bills in the Lions.
Speaker 1: But they've their defense, which was supposed to be tough,
Speaker 1: kind of tapped out in the last six quarters.
Speaker 2: But it's tough when your offense isn't doing anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, guess what what makes you think that?
Speaker 4: I mean the offense with Mason Rudolph throwing to Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 4: Greg got some yards in a thirty five five point game.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, but in a nineteen twenty three point game,
Speaker 4: they can make plain.
Speaker 3: They're gonna put Christiana Jalis on him, give some help
Speaker 3: and dear anybody else on Tennessee to do anything.
Speaker 1: A two game winning streak for this Patriots team. And yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of the handful of games this week
Speaker 1: that feel like it's too early in the season.
Speaker 2: For these types of games.
Speaker 1: Usually you get to like week fifteen to sixteen, we're
Speaker 1: doing the previews. There aren't a lot of buys like
Speaker 1: we want to save some times just kind of speed
Speaker 1: through it two or three minutes. There's like a couple
Speaker 1: of those games this week. I mean, I'm still into
Speaker 1: it because of Drake May He makes everything very watchable.
Speaker 1: He's really playing it. Good player in excellent nine ten quarters.
Speaker 4: Why you laughing, Well, I just saw stat the Titans
Speaker 4: passing offense as the fewest EPA per drop back in
Speaker 4: the entire NFL, and either Will Levis or Mason Rudolph
Speaker 4: have yet to complete a single game where they've had
Speaker 4: a positive EPA in passing the football.
Speaker 3: Because said Drake may will be the best quarterback on
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: No question.
Speaker 1: Shout out to a couple just veterans who are out
Speaker 1: there playing very professionally at a high level, Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: and Hunter Henry.
Speaker 2: Yes, Hunter Henry's he's a good player.
Speaker 1: Harold Landry Arden keep Maybe those are two guys that
Speaker 1: could potentially get traded. And then I wanted to give
Speaker 1: credit to Chris Long does a great podcast green Light
Speaker 1: with Chris he is really the originator of this whole
Speaker 1: post Lions trend curse that's out there that after you
Speaker 1: play the Lions, you're just too physically beat up and
Speaker 1: you look at the results the next week, they've all lost.
Speaker 1: The next week, not only have they lost almost all
Speaker 1: of them, it's been their worst game of the entire
Speaker 1: season the next week. So I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Titans qualify because they're just so bad in general, but
Speaker 1: they would have the post Lions curse here.
Speaker 2: Let's go Patriots.
Speaker 3: And another winless team at home, those Tennessee Titans, and
Speaker 3: they're playing in nash Vegas as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, as somebody who needs to catch Greg and the picks,
Speaker 4: I'm pulling for Mason Rudolph. Get out there, get out
Speaker 4: there and show the coaches, show both Callahans just what
Speaker 4: you can do as a quarterback. Let's go to the
Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins back against the Buffalo Bills. That did not
Speaker 4: go well last time, but Tua in that game. Back
Speaker 4: in this game, they had a narrow loss to Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Greg the Buffalo Bills a six point favorite. Kevin Harland,
Speaker 4: Trent Melanie Collins on the call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think part of that is the matchup. It's
Speaker 1: been a problem for Mike McDaniel. He's lost five straight
Speaker 1: to Sean McDermott. You know, last time he lost to
Speaker 1: a halfway through the game, but they were down three
Speaker 1: scores at that point McDermott. Even if you go past
Speaker 1: the McDaniel era, it really gets crazy. He has the
Speaker 1: most wins against the Dolphins than any coach has against
Speaker 1: any opponent since he got hired.
Speaker 2: So he's won.
Speaker 1: He's won like almost every single game. He just owns
Speaker 1: this team and I don't see why it would change
Speaker 1: because to me, the Bills are really finding an identity
Speaker 1: as a tough team. I mentioned how they pushed Seattle
Speaker 1: around earlier. Shakir I think is getting benefits from Cooper
Speaker 1: being there that he you know, and this is a
Speaker 1: matchup where David Long's really struggled for Miami in the
Speaker 1: running game, in the receiving game, I think you could
Speaker 1: take advantage of him when he's on the field with
Speaker 1: some of those guys kincaide Shakir catching passes, and then
Speaker 1: I mentioned Coleman's great. There's just a lot of matchups
Speaker 1: that you like. When the Bills have the ball. I
Speaker 1: think Miami could keep up in this game. That it's
Speaker 1: not like a total blot. Six seems about right. But
Speaker 1: but it's hard to pick against the Bills.
Speaker 3: Miami's defenses hasn't played well all season. I mean, they've
Speaker 3: had some injuries, but they just haven't shown when they've
Speaker 3: got a bow up, they haven't done it. And let's
Speaker 3: not forget this is the John hu Smith game. Remember
Speaker 3: earlier in the offseason or preseason he said, how bad
Speaker 3: Buffalo as a city sucks.
Speaker 2: I don't remember now, Yes, they do not.
Speaker 3: Play that noise up there in Buffalo, and that's one
Speaker 3: of the few fan bases you do not mess with.
Speaker 3: You do not play with that. And so trust me,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be one.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do, like throw a dough at
Speaker 1: him like they did to Gronk back in the day.
Speaker 3: That what they didn't do. It just wants either Craig,
Speaker 3: maybe they'll throw two. It wasn't collectively, It wasn't a vote.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but it happened. They still happened. I
Speaker 2: mean they still we still get blamed like.
Speaker 1: The Yankees fans should get blamed for the behavior of those.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 4: Johnny Smith had his hotel tour. They did not play
Speaker 4: around up there in Buffalo. Somebody's in the crowd with
Speaker 4: a resolution. Be it resolved. This toy will be launched
Speaker 4: at approximately one fifteen pm Eastern launching balls to Keon Coleman.
Speaker 4: This season, Josh Allen, he's got the fifth most receiving
Speaker 4: yards over expected in the NFL and a lot of
Speaker 4: the because you know Keon Coleman that the dig can
Speaker 4: be separation, but I think he's getting separation.
Speaker 3: Yeah here recently.
Speaker 4: The idea was that it's all going to be jump balls,
Speaker 4: but as you pointed out, Greg playing much better football
Speaker 4: the receive the Steven group. Amari Cooper had a wrist
Speaker 4: injury at practice on Wednesday. He's question jumping, and I
Speaker 4: on that one looks dicey.
Speaker 1: That's concerning the Dolphins offense was much better last week. Now,
Speaker 1: Tua did not complete many throws over ten passes. When
Speaker 1: I reached rewatched that game, it was almost all sorts stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was one nice throw down the sideline to Tyreek Kill,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't much. But everything was just more cohesive,
Speaker 1: the motion, the plays, he got the ball out of
Speaker 1: his hands, he played well. There was a couple spots
Speaker 1: where you saw a little bit of rust. You know,
Speaker 1: you had three fumbles in that game. A couple of them.
Speaker 3: Were bad deep deep territory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was including the center exchange, Like it was
Speaker 1: tough to say who's at fault there, But you figure
Speaker 1: he would be even tighter this week.
Speaker 2: So I think the offense is going to be good.
Speaker 1: They just I spent so much time in August not
Speaker 1: to be like bring up a weird point. Nick Wright,
Speaker 1: who does a great job over there on Fox. He's
Speaker 1: been listening to NFL Dat. He was a guest too,
Speaker 1: and he was like, NFL Daily is the primary source
Speaker 1: for Odell Beckham information in the country, because I was
Speaker 1: just updating every day. Is Odell Beckham gonna be healthy?
Speaker 1: Is he doing anything at practice? Where's Odell Beckham? Thinking
Speaker 1: like he was, you know, still a relevant guy. And
Speaker 1: he's been active for three weeks. And I probably should
Speaker 1: not have spent as much time in August on Odell Beckham.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know you carry, you carry the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, well done, thank you. And and there's people
Speaker 3: who want to know I love Patrick dropping the D's formation.
Speaker 1: I just I just thought, like, what couldn't I kept
Speaker 1: I kept believing Odell's gonna make a comeback. And now
Speaker 1: they got who was out there as their third receiver
Speaker 1: last week?
Speaker 2: Is d S Gridge?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: D S Gridge, Come on, bro, let's take a break
Speaker 1: and let's come back.
Speaker 2: We're gonna We're gonna talk about the.
Speaker 1: Games with bigger point spreads, but it doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: not quality games. There's some juicy revenge matchups here, some
Speaker 1: fun fun ones. I used to work at NBC. I
Speaker 1: was not involved in the Sunday Night Football production, but
Speaker 1: I knew people that were my good friend Matt Casey
Speaker 1: still over there doing football night in America. And I
Speaker 1: want to applaud them because they haven't been using the
Speaker 1: flex enough.
Speaker 2: Let for my taste, the last couple of years, they
Speaker 2: barely ever flex the game.
Speaker 1: Let me get a good games, I guess, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it's a little squirrely. But this time they did a
Speaker 1: service to America. They got Colts Vikings into Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: I might say, like, that's not like the greatest game ever,
Speaker 1: but it's better than JAG's Eagles. And to me, it's
Speaker 1: very intriguing. Whether it was Anthony Richardson or Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I want to see this game. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get fired up for the battle of the former
Speaker 3: Jets quarterbacks. It's Joe Flacco going up against Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3: They were all in the same areas.
Speaker 4: The Minnesota Vikings a five point favorite, the over unders
Speaker 4: forty six and a half. Mike Turrico, Chris Collinsworth, Melissa
Speaker 4: Stark on the call, oh Sunday Night, Everything leading up
Speaker 4: to all that we want, except some of us would
Speaker 4: have liked to see Anthony Richson in this game. The
Speaker 4: Colts would not Steve does it matter against I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of like, speak for yourself. I'd rather see Joe
Speaker 3: Flacko in this game because Anthony Richardson, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: beside the tap out, he had not completed more than
Speaker 3: fifty percent of passes in any game that he finished
Speaker 3: all season. Was he was really hurting his team. I
Speaker 3: get what they want to do because there are four
Speaker 3: and four. The Colts are a little bit better than
Speaker 3: we're giving him credit for. The Vikings have been a
Speaker 3: little shaky, especially on the defensive side. So if the
Speaker 3: Colts can run the ball a little bit and get
Speaker 3: some of that timing offense game that five points might
Speaker 3: be a bit much. But I think Minnesota's now had
Speaker 3: some time to think about things, especially since you know
Speaker 3: Sam Donald's getting face mask that wasn't called in the
Speaker 3: Rams game.
Speaker 2: They getting kicked off kblan.
Speaker 3: Is of QB Island two. He's little heard by that.
Speaker 3: I think Minnesota this extended break that they just had
Speaker 3: playing on Thursday night, they're going to tighten things up
Speaker 3: at a game like this, So you know, I like Donald,
Speaker 3: I like their offense. I just think justin Jefferson, the
Speaker 3: Colts don't have an answer for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, the answer would just be pass rushed.
Speaker 1: So they were better last week with the Forest Buckner back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he I know it was against Houston, who
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best offensive line, but you saw the
Speaker 1: vision coming into the season. They didn't have Grover Stewart
Speaker 1: for a few weeks to Forest Buckner's healthy.
Speaker 2: Now you got Odegbo. You got a lot too.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, this division, Gus Bradley's defense makes a
Speaker 1: little more sense. Can you get after Sam Darnold? He's
Speaker 1: holding the ball more than almost any quarterback in the lay.
Speaker 3: And Robinson might only have two days of practice at
Speaker 3: left tackle.
Speaker 1: Glad you mentioned that since we last recorded, there has
Speaker 1: been a trade. The Minnesota Vikings get Cam Robinson, who's
Speaker 1: played a lot of football starting for the Jacksonville Dagars,
Speaker 1: good enough that they're putting franchise tags on him. They're
Speaker 1: paying him a lot of money. They did not have
Speaker 1: to give up much to do it. So I love
Speaker 1: that trade for the Vikings, very little risk. It was
Speaker 1: for a fourth round conditional pick, so that's outstanding for them.
Speaker 1: We'll see if Blake Cashman was back. I think that
Speaker 1: was an important part to that Thursday night loss. Really
Speaker 1: the two straight losses is their linebackers were getting a
Speaker 1: little cooked in covered so Cashman would help them. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I love a team like Minnesota recognizing maybe maybe they're
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl contenders, maybe they're not. But either way,
Speaker 1: losing Christian darrif Saw for the season really lowered their ceiling.
Speaker 1: So getting a quality guy back, like, there's nothing more
Speaker 1: important than now you know your fourth round pick. That's
Speaker 1: that's the future. Let's have a little fun here and
Speaker 1: let's go beat the Colts on Sunday night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it makes it makes perfect sense
Speaker 4: that darrisol loss was huge.
Speaker 3: Yep. Being able to go get a guy who started
Speaker 3: won a lot of games and Cam Robinson made perfect
Speaker 3: sense to me. The price seemed a lot of these trades,
Speaker 3: especially for contenders. Speaking tenders, it's easy inspiring. He's got
Speaker 3: inspiring contract.
Speaker 1: I know, but they get like compensatory picks in theory
Speaker 1: if they want to play the game, which like the
Speaker 1: Ravens will play that game. You know, it was pointed
Speaker 1: out like they're going to get a compensatory back just
Speaker 1: to make up for that pick.
Speaker 2: Anyways, probably it's crazy and.
Speaker 4: Something that you know, in defense of Anthony Richardson, which
Speaker 4: is something that our friend of the show, Nate Tyce
Speaker 4: pointed out as well. This offense is designed to go
Speaker 4: down the field, especially when Anthony Richardson's planned. And if
Speaker 4: you look at the knickttion gen stats, his expected completion
Speaker 4: percentage is just based on the location of the receivers
Speaker 4: and the target of where things are going. He's got
Speaker 4: one of the lowest amongst starters in the league, the
Speaker 4: starting quarterbacks, the absolute lowest. His average depth of target
Speaker 4: is one of the highest, like they take shots, and
Speaker 4: so the offense doesn't really expect Anthony Richardson to complete
Speaker 4: passes at a very high clip. And you know, the
Speaker 4: toughness whatever about tapping out. I just it's one play
Speaker 4: he shakes off a dude's three hundred pounds, he goes
Speaker 4: running like he taps out of the play. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: don't want to say that, perhaps he's covering up something
Speaker 4: else he's missed games. People have questioned his toughness before
Speaker 4: because he's a human being who dares to have human
Speaker 4: body parts. I just I don't see it as big
Speaker 4: enough deal. But get we get Joe.
Speaker 1: Throwing the throwing the three hundred pounder off and being
Speaker 1: tired after that. I mean, running backs do that all
Speaker 1: the time, and no one goes crazy about that that
Speaker 1: you take a playoffs enstich In, for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: said that had no impact on his decision now. He
Speaker 1: also said Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback moving forward.
Speaker 1: It's not just like a one week now you have
Speaker 1: to say that. I took nothing out of that statement,
Speaker 1: And I talked about the four week stretch they have
Speaker 1: coming up. Three of the games are against three of
Speaker 1: the best teams in the league, this one, the Bills,
Speaker 1: and the Lions are coming up, and if Flacco can
Speaker 1: get them a win against one of those teams, he'll
Speaker 1: keep that job. And if he can't, he probably won't
Speaker 1: and and they'll go back to him. But the whole
Speaker 1: idea of like like whether he was tough or not,
Speaker 1: I don't think that had a I just think he
Speaker 1: didn't look like a confident player. So I think Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco also is not a normal backup. I don't even
Speaker 1: think he's Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston. I think he's
Speaker 1: better the way he's played the last few years. He's
Speaker 1: played at a very high level. So I want to
Speaker 1: see that Joe Flacco against Yeah, and you talk.
Speaker 3: About the offense design drive the ball down the field.
Speaker 3: What does Joe Flacco do. He drives the ball down
Speaker 3: the field. It'll be on schedule. I don't think the
Speaker 3: toughness thing came into the decision, even though if you're
Speaker 3: an offensive lineman or whatever and you're you're just eating
Speaker 3: fist and everything all game to protect this guy and
Speaker 3: he taps out, that can't sit well. But I just
Speaker 3: think these guys know Anthony Richardson better than anyone. Shane
Speaker 3: Stike and I think is a hell of a coach, right.
Speaker 3: I think he recognizes he was that Anthony richard started
Speaker 3: to swim up stream mentally a little bit. He had
Speaker 3: to calm him down to save him. So I think
Speaker 3: that's more of anything in this in this decision.
Speaker 2: A couple other things in this game. TJ.
Speaker 1: Hockinson expected to return welcome back first time in almost
Speaker 1: a year, about ten months or so, so that'll be great.
Speaker 1: If they lose this game, they'll be the first five
Speaker 1: and oh team since the twenty sixteen cursed Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: team that went from five and oh to like well
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs. The was a very controversial team
Speaker 1: of around the NFL pick that we picked the moment
Speaker 1: they got to five and oh and then they absolutely
Speaker 1: nose dive with Sam Bradford as their quarterback.
Speaker 2: And so you got to want to win this game.
Speaker 1: And you know, as someone who does have Josh Downs
Speaker 1: in a fantasy league, I don't hate this move to
Speaker 1: Joe Flacca.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying Josh Downs was eating with Athrey Richardson.
Speaker 2: That's true. Josh Downs is so good. He's a really good.
Speaker 3: Pleasing, great Drake Mays college receiver.
Speaker 2: This guy. That's true.
Speaker 3: Moving on, and also, yeah, this this one, this one's exciting.
Speaker 3: You know why because Derek Carr is back. Baby. The
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints a seven point favorite on the road
Speaker 3: in Charlotte, where we found out this week from Dave
Speaker 3: Canalis that Bryce Young is going to start the over
Speaker 3: under forty three and a half, Tom McCarthy, Jay Feely
Speaker 3: and a Mendo Bell littleness on the call. Greg Bryce
Speaker 3: is back. He did it. He got his job.
Speaker 2: I thought he played better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, against the Broncos in some tough situation. Now, he
Speaker 1: had one really bad interception in the fourth quarter that
Speaker 1: made reminded you of the old Bryce that we saw
Speaker 1: the first couple weeks of the season when he was
Speaker 1: struggling last year. But for the most part, he pushed
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. He was much more aggressive,
Speaker 1: He trusted his arm, and he delivered a number of
Speaker 1: really nice throws. The turnovers he can't have, but I
Speaker 1: was worried that the turnovers were gonna get him back
Speaker 1: on the bench, when actually I thought the performance deserved
Speaker 1: another look against the defense that's not really playing very well.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Marshall Latimore is gonna be there.
Speaker 1: They don't have much of a pass rush. When you
Speaker 1: think about Panthers OH line versus Saints D line, I
Speaker 1: actually think that's a win for the Panthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and to get back to Bryce, you know,
Speaker 3: I spoke to someone who you know, was on the
Speaker 3: one of the Broncos coaches who said that Bryce made
Speaker 3: all the right decisions, like he played well, it's just
Speaker 3: a matter of there's just not much around him. Like
Speaker 3: he could basically play his tail off and they can
Speaker 3: still just not generate points because there's just not great protection.
Speaker 3: Just some of the things you're doing just aren't that fantastic,
Speaker 3: which is why the seven for the.
Speaker 2: Saints had a slight to the coach or the talent
Speaker 2: or both.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably again was to both because they're
Speaker 3: just trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: I give you the hard questions, but I.
Speaker 3: Mean I'm just saying that they're trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what to do. Like, we have him back here, We've
Speaker 3: got all kind of guys who probably should be on
Speaker 3: practice squad playing, you know, how do we figure this
Speaker 3: one out? So it's not necessarily a bad coaching, but
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, how do we put the pieces of
Speaker 3: the puzzle together to be competitive? But in this game
Speaker 3: right here with the seven is a big number. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Saints absolutely boat raced him early in the season,
Speaker 3: but Caroline has diminished. They just, you know, they just
Speaker 3: lost the receiver. I think that they were actually pretty
Speaker 3: happy to get rid of. There weren't a lot of
Speaker 3: there weren't a lot of people biting at that apple
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Clearly on the compete, so you.
Speaker 3: Know, what did he do? That we don't know that
Speaker 3: we don't know. I mean, he could play, but there
Speaker 3: weren't a lot of people, Like I said, biting at
Speaker 3: that apple.
Speaker 2: He ain't better lose this game though. No, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying no.
Speaker 1: So you think I mean I would put it past them,
Speaker 1: I know, But I just think if you lost this game.
Speaker 1: They've been pretty patient. They have an very easy schedule
Speaker 1: coming up, so they're still trying to convince themselves they
Speaker 1: could be relevant. But you lose this game to the Panthers,
Speaker 1: I think that'd be Yeah, that'd be trouble. It is
Speaker 1: a bad, bad, bad Panthers defense. When you talk about
Speaker 1: a lack of talent, clown. He's out there actually making
Speaker 1: some plays the last couple weeks and maybe he'll get traded.
Speaker 2: But other than that and JC Horn, it's rough.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember last year when the Falcons went up
Speaker 3: to Carolina and lost. That was it for Arthur Smith.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's one thing owners can own. Owners can
Speaker 3: tolerate losing. They can't tolerate being embarrassed.
Speaker 4: The Saints have a ten point six explosive pass rate
Speaker 4: since Week three.
Speaker 3: Derek Carr were glad to have him back. He comes
Speaker 3: back there's no Rashid Shaheed. I think that number continues
Speaker 3: to not necessarily be that great for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2: I bet it's a lot higher on defense.
Speaker 1: I saw a stat that they have given up seven
Speaker 1: plays over forty five yards this year and twenty four
Speaker 1: plays over thirty yards.
Speaker 2: That's crazy you talk about it.
Speaker 3: He's not generating pass rush.
Speaker 2: That's DA's defense right now, that's you know ee, all right, Bryce,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Bryce. I'm not gonna pick it,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't like that seven. I don't like
Speaker 3: that seven. Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Let's go to a guy who played a pretty good
Speaker 4: game against a pretty good defense last week, Gardner Minshew
Speaker 4: and the Las Vegas Raiders on the road against Burrow
Speaker 4: and Chase, who are seven point home favorites forty six
Speaker 4: and a half. Kevin Coogler, Daryl Johnston and laur Oakman
Speaker 4: on the call. We've been trying to figure out this
Speaker 4: Bengals defense. It turns out that they're struggling.
Speaker 3: Greg. Do they struggle against the Raiders?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line struggled last week, which was the most
Speaker 1: concerning part of that game against Philadelphia because I thought
Speaker 1: they'd been playing well this year. But you lose Orlando
Speaker 1: Brown and if their offensive line becomes an issue consistently,
Speaker 1: then this team just doesn't have enough. And we thought
Speaker 1: we saw last week like even without T Higgins they
Speaker 1: might not have enough.
Speaker 2: They are very star driven.
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown and T Higgins were both not at practice
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, but it is the Raiders who are Max
Speaker 1: Crosby and not a lot of depth there on their
Speaker 1: defensive line, so I would think they can still get
Speaker 1: it done. But they're really they're a star driven team.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Jesse Bates earlier, and I just kept thinking, like,
Speaker 1: what a misevaluation not to pay your own guy.
Speaker 3: Oh geez, Bengals not paying their own guns and you
Speaker 3: kind of flourish.
Speaker 1: And now you're maybe seeing it with T Higgins too,
Speaker 1: So that's that's it. Like if they had Jesse Bates,
Speaker 1: that would have solved a lot of their issues.
Speaker 2: I think the last two years.
Speaker 3: Look, we don't know what the Bengals are. The Raiders
Speaker 3: are going to go in there and they're gonna compete.
Speaker 3: They're they're I mean, look, they're teetering right now, right
Speaker 3: and Antonio Pierce. It's like, you know, we want to
Speaker 3: see who's who's a grown man, Who's gonna who's gonna
Speaker 3: come and play football. I think they're gonna give the
Speaker 3: Bengals hell this game, but I just don't know if
Speaker 3: they can consistently stop. You know that the Bengals are
Speaker 3: putting points on the board and speaking about paying guys
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati misses.
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon, that one I get.
Speaker 1: He kept He kept getting hurt mid season, which you
Speaker 1: can't blame a guy for getting hurt, but it was
Speaker 1: consistent year after year where he start.
Speaker 2: I can't blame him for Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: I feel like Chase Brown and Zach Moss as a
Speaker 1: tandem is low on their list of issues.
Speaker 4: True, that's all, but it is interesting that they it
Speaker 4: was loaded up with volume for Joe Mixon.
Speaker 3: Yes, and there's and now there's guys to share.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Joe's like, hey, we could have kept
Speaker 4: a little more tread on little HighRes for Joe if
Speaker 4: we presented things that way. But you mentioned Max Crosby.
Speaker 4: Steve his his pressure rate this season is the lowest
Speaker 4: for him since twenty twenty, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of that is the defense being under manned, yes, and
Speaker 4: they are here in this one.
Speaker 3: I understand that the Bengals have issues up front, but
Speaker 3: this this Raiders defense, despite having some opportunity to be
Speaker 3: very very close against Patrick Mahomes last week, that there
Speaker 3: were plays on the field to be made. They always
Speaker 3: played the Raiders close. I mean they always play the
Speaker 3: Chiefs close, just did not did not make them. And
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase right now again, go into the fantasy world.
Speaker 3: He's averaging two point six points per target right now.
Speaker 2: That's a lot, in other words, giving him targets he's eating.
Speaker 3: Load him up against against this Raiders secondary. What about
Speaker 3: Mike KASICKI He's gonna do some things as well too.
Speaker 2: He could playing well. I would have ever.
Speaker 1: You know, I apologize to Mike Kasiki for what the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots did to your career because I thought
Speaker 1: you were beyond done. I thought all the Bengals fans
Speaker 1: talking about, oh yeah, Kasiki's gonna really help us out,
Speaker 1: and I was like, are you crazy?
Speaker 2: But he actually looks pretty good. Him and Eric all
Speaker 2: are a good, uh good tight end tandem.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Jacksonville where they will go to Philadelphia
Speaker 3: A seven and a half point favorite coming off.
Speaker 4: The win against the Cincinnati Bengals. The over under forty
Speaker 4: five and a half. Andrew catalong Tiki Barber, Jason according
Speaker 4: and A j Ross on the call. Uh, Steve, we
Speaker 4: are gonna see this Jags passing attack. They lost Christian
Speaker 4: Kirk for the season. Tough one, Uh Trev coming in
Speaker 4: missing a man? Can they do enough to clear that
Speaker 4: seven and a half?
Speaker 3: I guess I don't like the seven and a half.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a tighter game than that. I know Philadelphie's been
Speaker 3: running the ball well, Jalen's been playing well. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think for Jacksonville getting Foyer a Lucan back and
Speaker 3: been a linebacker. You know, I was with them for
Speaker 3: a couple weeks over in London, and they're like they
Speaker 3: they missed the fact he's the guy who gets everybody aligned,
Speaker 3: making sure if a guy's out of a gap, he
Speaker 3: gets in the right gap. I think they know if
Speaker 3: they're gonna play Phildelphia tough. I I you know, Evan
Speaker 3: Inglam's probably gonna gonna eat. You know, he's gonna have
Speaker 3: ten twelve targets. He's gonna do his thing. Brian Thomas
Speaker 3: is a special player. I don't know. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: they're gonna gonna beat Phildelpi people that seven and a
Speaker 3: half as a big, big number for me.
Speaker 1: You know, they got some players back from in like
Speaker 1: a Lua Kahn and Tyson Campbell's an important player for
Speaker 1: them who came back. But then they had all these
Speaker 1: new injuries pop up. Christian Kirk, Brian Thomas had the
Speaker 1: chest injury, although he was at practice Wednesday, so it
Speaker 1: sounds like he'll be able to play this week. But
Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff, who's a starter for them on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: another offensive line starter, Azra Cleveland. So this is a
Speaker 1: team that can't afford injuries. And I am really curious
Speaker 1: if the Eagles have really embraced this identity as a
Speaker 1: run first type of team because it's working. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: maybe he's a quarterback. It's more with less Let's recognize
Speaker 1: that our offensive line really good run blocking, that Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is a really good runner, and that he opens
Speaker 1: up things for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2: It can be mutually beneficial.
Speaker 1: And that maybe it's not great to just drop back
Speaker 1: and pass because early in games they've been dropping back
Speaker 1: at a really high volume and they still have yet
Speaker 1: to score in the first quarter of a game this year.
Speaker 2: Isn't that's crazy?
Speaker 1: Now, that's it's such a crazy stat and it feels
Speaker 1: like it should have an asterisk. After last week they
Speaker 1: didn't have the They scored on their first possession last
Speaker 1: week for the first time, but the Bengals had the
Speaker 1: ball for eleven minutes, so their first possession didn't even
Speaker 1: end till till the second quarter started, so and that
Speaker 1: included a lot of running. So I just was thinking
Speaker 1: this team's looked more physical. Their defensive line has played
Speaker 1: quite well the last handful week. Now, I think it's
Speaker 1: really a trend, and I think they'll be able to
Speaker 1: continue that against the Jaguars. I'm taken. I'm taking the
Speaker 1: Eagles even with the seven and a half. I think
Speaker 1: they roll in this game. This was the game that
Speaker 1: we had talked about making our survivor before we decided
Speaker 1: to be a little bolder, but this would be another
Speaker 1: fine option.
Speaker 3: In my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm glad in hindsight looking back and saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we went with our Bowl pick okay
Speaker 4: instead of this one because it's again, it's a hurt
Speaker 4: Jags team, even hurt on the offensive line where they
Speaker 4: just traded a left tackle who started seventy five games
Speaker 4: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's especially I do.
Speaker 4: Think right looking at a fully healthy DeVante Smith and
Speaker 4: aj Brown, that that that's the identity the run game
Speaker 4: and then deep shots to both of those guys, waiting
Speaker 4: to see when they can get Dallas Goddard back.
Speaker 3: Although Grant CalCon teris played wolf fine sounds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that full contingent that that helps
Speaker 4: the passing game probably more than anything. I mean, everybody
Speaker 4: deals with injuries, but I think Jalen's numbers look a
Speaker 4: lot better in that instance. And this this Jags defense,
Speaker 4: I think, like when you sort the statistics, because I
Speaker 4: try to find like where, where's everything going on there?
Speaker 3: They're not like overall bad.
Speaker 4: They're not giving up a huge bunch of chunk runs,
Speaker 4: but it's just situational runs, like when they make so
Speaker 4: many mistakes they.
Speaker 3: Need to stuff. It was third down, third and six,
Speaker 3: like they gave up a third and five draw last week.
Speaker 3: They had all those penalties against the Chicago Bears, like
Speaker 3: when they need to get off the field, they just
Speaker 3: can't do it. And it is it is simple basic stuff. Again,
Speaker 3: spending time with him over two weeks a month. It
Speaker 3: is guys not lining up properly, playing the wrong gaps,
Speaker 3: just simple simple things he's getting. You know, they're drive
Speaker 3: against the Bears. They had three defensive holdings, allowed the
Speaker 3: Bears to get to the ends and on one drive
Speaker 3: on third down, all three on third down.
Speaker 1: See, I think that's great because it's a week that
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I think they could outsmart themselves sometimes. You know,
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni's enjoying this week no longer the main character,
Speaker 1: Like this is a team they can just run some basics.
Speaker 1: It's at the trap doors against it's against Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: That's the revenge. There is some revenge going on here
Speaker 1: because Doug Peterson, I don't think, was thrilled with how
Speaker 1: his time in Philadelphia ended.
Speaker 2: That's why this was originally the Sunday night game. They moved,
Speaker 2: they moved out of it.
Speaker 1: So I I've had this thing in my head that
Speaker 1: until these last couple of weeks they really were on
Speaker 1: this timeline that they were repeating their previous time they
Speaker 1: made the Super Bowl, you know, not that time they
Speaker 1: won it.
Speaker 2: This time they didn't.
Speaker 1: But like the next season was very similar to Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson's follow up season, and then and that con they
Speaker 1: get the contract to the quarterback, and then the production
Speaker 1: goes down almost immediately, and I was like, I do
Speaker 1: not want to see Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts go
Speaker 1: the way of Peterson and Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2: And I think they've righted the ship.
Speaker 1: So this this is a time for the Eagles to
Speaker 1: show we're not Doug Peterson's Eagles.
Speaker 3: I'm pissed off. Angelo. I don't know man, trapdoor, trapdoor.
Speaker 3: Speaking of teams going on the road from Florida who
Speaker 3: have injuries at receiver, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the
Speaker 3: road at Kansas City, eight and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3: It's Monday Night Football. Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Lisa Salters.
Speaker 4: There's an alternate broadcast where you can listen to Bill
Speaker 4: Belichick's they mean things about the Patriots or the Jets
Speaker 4: as well, and Greg Baker Mayfield with a chance to
Speaker 4: go out there and shock the world and all the doubters,
Speaker 4: yourself included what happened?
Speaker 1: You know what, I'd like to issue a small apology
Speaker 1: for my snide Baker comment on Sunday night, watching rewatching
Speaker 1: that game a little closer, I thought he played well
Speaker 1: in that game. He had the couple picks, but that
Speaker 1: game he was not a problem for the team. Now,
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that Dave Canalis got the
Speaker 1: head coaching job in Carolina based on what a good
Speaker 1: job he did with Baker Mayfield in this Bucks offense.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's even subjective. This Buccaneers offense
Speaker 1: is coached better this year and Baker Mayfield is better
Speaker 1: this year. So I don't know what that says about
Speaker 1: Dave Canalis or not.
Speaker 2: But I'm just i't why Dave Canalis got that job.
Speaker 3: It's not no. There's about seven other dudes who said.
Speaker 2: No, Okay, okay, that's part of it. That's fair.
Speaker 1: I guess that's my roundabout way of giving a backhanded
Speaker 1: dig to Canalis, but also complementing Liam Cohen because I
Speaker 1: actually do think they have enough pieces. When I watched
Speaker 1: that game, I did not think that the lack of
Speaker 1: Goodwin and Evans were the reason they lost. They got
Speaker 1: enough good production out of Jarrett and Trey Palmer and
Speaker 1: my guya, And it was really their defense. Their defense
Speaker 1: has been as big or a bigger issue this year
Speaker 1: under Tide Bowles.
Speaker 2: It's just not very sound.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for the Chiefs to finally hit
Speaker 1: some big plays, this is a defense to do it against.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing that's disappointed for me. You know,
Speaker 3: I think Baker in that offense is fine. They've had
Speaker 3: a good offensive line, they can mix it up. They
Speaker 3: got running backs, you can catch it. But here's the question.
Speaker 3: When does Kansas City lose? I mean, they're not gonna
Speaker 3: They're not gonna go unbeaten. Is it Monday night Tampa?
Speaker 3: Is it next week against a Broncos team that's no
Speaker 3: pretty good? Is it at Buffalo? And then they got Carolina,
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, the Chargers, Cleveland, Houston? I mean, at some
Speaker 3: point they are going to lose. Is is this the
Speaker 3: game that's kind of the law of averages? Here?
Speaker 2: At Buffalo is their hardest game left on the schedule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And at Pittsburgh at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: You know, you got in at Pittsburgh, you got a
Speaker 1: home for Christmas. Houston, you know, a lot of them
Speaker 1: aren't layups. They'll they'll find a way to lose. I
Speaker 1: would I guess I would go at Buffalo would be
Speaker 1: the first one. But in a one game sample, you
Speaker 1: never feel good picking against the Chiefs. At this point
Speaker 1: with me, this defense is playing situationally. They're so good
Speaker 1: in the red zone. They're just they're good at everything.
Speaker 3: And there's when added pieces, you know, getting d hop offensively,
Speaker 3: I mean they just didn't they just the pieces on
Speaker 3: both day and they get Josh, yeah, they got ouch.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 4: You you hope for if you're a fan of an
Speaker 4: AFC contender and you're watching the Super Bowl champs who
Speaker 4: are undefeated, go and add pieces, you start to wonder, hey,
Speaker 4: where's everybody else?
Speaker 3: Why don't we make us move?
Speaker 1: I've seen enough of these Bucks games now that this
Speaker 1: is the game that Mahomes really gets it rolling, that
Speaker 1: Hopkins goes for eighty seven yards and two touchdowns, the
Speaker 1: running game gets going. I have no faith in these
Speaker 1: Bucks linebackers. I hate to throw them anti David in
Speaker 1: that mix, but just they're they're making plays over the
Speaker 1: middle of the field and it's a game where afterwards
Speaker 1: everyone's just like no one's gonna.
Speaker 2: Beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: We were all wrong in September, because they're going to
Speaker 1: put up a forty spot and it'll feel like the
Speaker 1: old Chiefs are back.
Speaker 2: And they pretty much are.
Speaker 1: I mean in DVOA, they're they're fourth in the year now,
Speaker 1: even including that September where the team didn't look as great,
Speaker 1: they're playing like one of the best teams obviously in
Speaker 1: the In the.
Speaker 3: He's got a Homes Patrick saying like he's gonna be
Speaker 3: kirk O change because you don't know how kirk Oh
Speaker 3: tears up the bus.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. They'll watch that tape. He'll figure
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: Andy Reidal, Yeah, he'll throw in something. He'll he'll actually
Speaker 1: tell Mahomes you can't move, you can't leave the pocket
Speaker 1: like Kirko chains.
Speaker 2: You gotta just copy him.
Speaker 3: Just be a total statue, stay back there, do everything
Speaker 3: like kirk including cringe pre and postgame hype commerce. You
Speaker 3: know what, the trap the trap stop. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: second hand embarrassment.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's clinically diagnosed, but I literally
Speaker 4: cannot I run away from the TV because it's been
Speaker 4: much for me. The weird thing about this Bulls defense
Speaker 4: pressure was in terms of numbers of pressure, one of
Speaker 4: the best teams in the league per next stats.
Speaker 2: Get better be what he blitz every other day.
Speaker 4: The pressure percentage right there next to the Steelers at
Speaker 4: thirty three and a half percent. They just you know,
Speaker 4: Antoine Winfield Junior, one of the best players in the
Speaker 4: secondary as well, just just not getting it done.
Speaker 3: I just I just can't get Kirk Cousins going down
Speaker 3: to Bankhead go into a trap house out of my
Speaker 3: head right now.
Speaker 1: Although I know we've talked a lot about the Falcons
Speaker 1: and the Bucks during this but you see those outcast Falcons.
Speaker 3: Spectacular, pretty sweet. Nice.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of getting one, But I'm like, do I
Speaker 1: really want to wear a Falcon sweaterer?
Speaker 3: But maybe we get there's one his outcast on it.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm as cool as you. I mean,
Speaker 2: it says outcast but also says Falcons breakdown.
Speaker 3: That's a sweatshirt that you gotta get. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Baldy all right. In the game with the highest spread
Speaker 3: of the week, I don't know if it should. I
Speaker 3: think the game we discuss should probably have the highest
Speaker 3: spread of the week. But the one of the number
Speaker 3: one total passing defenses in the NFL. The Denver Broncos
Speaker 3: going on the road at the Baltimore Ravens, who are
Speaker 3: a nine point favorite. The over under forty five and
Speaker 3: a half points. Nance Romo and Tracy on the call
Speaker 3: for CBS. Steve not nine points. Steve White should be
Speaker 3: their pre game four NFL network. But there, well, I'm
Speaker 3: headed to bald I don't get this nine points. Last
Speaker 3: I checked, Baltimore's defense still giving up passing touchdowns and
Speaker 3: Denver's defense is really good. Okay, Now, granted they got
Speaker 3: fat off of some teams that are not good offensively,
Speaker 3: but those three guys up front, right, they're dn They
Speaker 3: played at thirty at thirty four kind of thirty five front.
Speaker 3: Those three guys up front are doing work. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: they're going up a good offense against a good offensive line.
Speaker 3: But the one thing they do they blitz like we
Speaker 3: talked about Todd Bowles blitz and they blitzed like crazy.
Speaker 3: They can't do that game. They cannot. They've got a
Speaker 3: break character because if they blitz Derrek Henry gets by you,
Speaker 3: Lamar gets by you, the math is bad. They're gone
Speaker 3: now Patrick's are ten best corner in the NFL, best
Speaker 3: corner in the NFL. Like, Okay, there's nobody who's gonna
Speaker 3: go out there Deontay Johnson's a Flowers and tear him up. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is ten on ten, but it is a
Speaker 3: legit ten on ten because Lamar, you know, you have
Speaker 3: to count him into the faction here. I think this
Speaker 3: is going to be I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: under the forty five point five and that nine point
Speaker 3: by Baltimore, don't I don't see it. I don't think
Speaker 3: this is a game where bo Nix goes in there
Speaker 3: and carves them up. But I think points are gonna
Speaker 3: be much harder to come by than at four and
Speaker 3: forty five and a half number.
Speaker 1: So this is the Ravens defense panic week because of
Speaker 1: all the numbers of the plus twenty plays that they
Speaker 1: do know most in the NFL, and it's almost it's
Speaker 1: forty plus twenty plays. Thirty nine of them are their
Speaker 1: past defense. So it's not their run and it's in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter they could get
Speaker 1: Now you're going up against bon Nicks, who last week
Speaker 1: for the first time, really pushed the ball down the
Speaker 1: field consistently eight for sixteen on plus ten throws over
Speaker 1: ten air yards for one hundred and eighty yards. Now,
Speaker 1: he had all day back there again, and he was
Speaker 1: playing against the Panthers, but he had some really nice throws,
Speaker 1: and he's going to have to be even better because
Speaker 1: you're just not going to be able to run the
Speaker 1: ball against this Ravens team. I still I think the
Speaker 1: Ravens are a great team, and I know they're incomplete
Speaker 1: right now, but I think great teams respond from embarrassing performances,
Speaker 1: and I think bow Knicks in this spot is not
Speaker 1: going to be good enough to keep up in a shootout. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he might hit you for some big plays, but I
Speaker 1: don't believe in the Broncos defense enough to shut him down.
Speaker 2: I think it's more like thirty to sixteen something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The spot where the Ravens do excel is preventing the
Speaker 4: quarterback run. And bo Knicks was one of the top scramblers.
Speaker 4: Like we talked about Lamar scrambling and Josh Allen, bo
Speaker 4: Knicks far and away the leader in the league in
Speaker 4: scrambles from the quarterback position. And I think that the
Speaker 4: Ravens specifically right with this pre game last week practice
Speaker 4: situation with Marcus Williams where he ultimately winds up essentially
Speaker 4: not playing in the game. Eddie Jackson comes in, has
Speaker 4: a dropped interception, blows the coverage on the game winning
Speaker 4: touchdown to Cedric Tillman. I think it's an opportunity for
Speaker 4: both Marcus and the coaching staff to realize where things
Speaker 4: went wrong, because the team is better when Markus Williams
Speaker 4: is on the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, they I mean when the last time we
Speaker 3: talked about Coyle Hamilton, a great player, like the you know,
Speaker 3: just just talking to people, They're like, these guys are
Speaker 3: not nearly as aggressive defensively as they have been in
Speaker 3: use up front, there a defensive line, you know, van
Speaker 3: Oy and Mattapek and these guys.
Speaker 1: Even hasn't had great production. Smith has not been as
Speaker 1: big a different figure.
Speaker 3: I think him and Trent Simpson has not been what
Speaker 3: we thought they were gonna do.
Speaker 1: I think you have to point towards the change in
Speaker 1: the coaching staff was the fact that they brought in
Speaker 1: Dean Ps, their old friend, five weeks in. That was
Speaker 1: probably a red flag that, like the communication issues that
Speaker 1: you can see just as a fan, something's not right,
Speaker 1: and you're going up against a good coach offensively and
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Boix's getting better. So I'm not ruling
Speaker 1: this out from being close like mid third quarter and
Speaker 1: making the people sweat over those nine points. But ultimately
Speaker 1: we're talking about Lamar Jackson versus bo Nick mind Avery Ravens.
Speaker 3: You can see every game, every one of their games
Speaker 3: is like a two point game. One way of those
Speaker 3: is like a two point game. Last year when they won,
Speaker 3: they won by like fifteen points, like they were stomping people.
Speaker 1: So the Broncos, you mentioned the defense, the easy schedule
Speaker 1: they've played the twenty seventh schedule in terms of the
Speaker 1: hardest offense, is that they face. They faced the Jets,
Speaker 1: they faced Minshew, they faced Rattler, they faced Bryce Young
Speaker 1: last week.
Speaker 2: So this is I think an interesting test for him.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they can't like you're giving me this like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they can't pass it and that they
Speaker 1: can't get some pressure on Lamar because last week, frankly,
Speaker 1: the Brown's got a lot of pressure on Lamar.
Speaker 2: So maybe they can double it up and do even better.
Speaker 1: But show me something they got to kind of prove
Speaker 1: it in a game with yeah me to really believe.
Speaker 3: Are you putting the twenty twenty four Denver Broncos defense
Speaker 3: on fraud Watch.
Speaker 1: Greg, No, But I just think they're a function of
Speaker 1: their schedule. I think they're going to be good. But
Speaker 1: to be a great defense in it in today's NFL,
Speaker 1: you got to be able to slow down great offenses.
Speaker 2: So they do it this week. I'll give him some.
Speaker 3: They got two good corners. They got two good corners too.
Speaker 3: The guy opposite of Certain's really.
Speaker 2: Good leath the weapon, Riley Moss Patrick.
Speaker 4: Riley Moss kind of silently got done up last week
Speaker 4: by Jalen Cocher though, And it's been a it's been
Speaker 4: a great run playing on the other side of Pats
Speaker 4: or Tam but Coker in the in the Panthers seving
Speaker 4: corps made some plays against Riley last week.
Speaker 1: Why are you trying to rain on rain on our
Speaker 1: parade here? This is the first white cornerback that's been
Speaker 1: starting week after weeks. I lays and c Horney's representing.
Speaker 1: He's inspiring coaches out there to finally start giving the
Speaker 1: white guys a chance on the I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it. I want I want more because I
Speaker 3: think it's dumb.
Speaker 4: It is should you should if you could play corner,
Speaker 4: Blake corner, don't put it run you can run.
Speaker 1: Man, he's breaking boundaries. But I saw that too, Jalen Coker,
Speaker 1: nice little player.
Speaker 3: Man, Deontay Johnson, Fantasy holders, team up, get him ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good call.
Speaker 1: But this actually would be a week I would think
Speaker 1: he would be a huge factor, but he just got
Speaker 1: there and he's taking a physical. He did miss last
Speaker 1: week's game. I don't know if he's really hurt. Can
Speaker 1: he really get up to speed that quick? Because you
Speaker 1: mentioned that Sir Tan can shut down your best player.
Speaker 1: That say, Flowers that this would be a week would
Speaker 1: be great to have another guy in the outside that
Speaker 1: can get it done.
Speaker 3: If he gets open, Like if he gets open, it
Speaker 3: gets in the ball. So that's all he is, what
Speaker 3: he's doing.
Speaker 1: So that is it for our Week nine preview. Enjoyed
Speaker 1: it as always. We're going to be back on Thursday night, Halloween.
Speaker 1: We're not going away on Halloween. We're working. I'm throwing
Speaker 1: a little party for the kids at the house we're
Speaker 1: meeting before they all go trick or treating and I'm
Speaker 1: saying so long, and my wife is taking Walker out.
Speaker 1: I'm watching Texans Chet Seth Payne, great radio guy, great
Speaker 1: former Texan, will be joining me. Uh for Steve Wise,
Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban, everyone behind the glass. Yeah, when uh, when
Speaker 1: the Broncos are on FraudWatch, you know football is back