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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott su I'm Evan Nobi Williams, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Michael Barr. And this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we, again no Evan participation, explore the big money

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Speaker 1: issues in the world of sports. Close enough we should

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Speaker 1: start shunning him. Yes, never do that. He wants no

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Speaker 1: part of it. Patrick, Now that the Australian open, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and honor of Jessica being back from Australia, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's the only What are we beginning with. We're going

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Speaker 1: to begin with Kyler Murray. Now this is we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen this a lot since, but Bo Jackson and you know,

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Speaker 1: the dual athlete in two majors older. You're saying Bo

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Speaker 1: Jackson and I'm saying Denny Ainge Russell Wilson does it well, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna go to spring training with the Jenkies again.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see that's gonna go. We'll go to

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Speaker 1: spring training with the Yankees. I gotta stay in shape something. Listen,

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Speaker 1: should he go to the A's or should he as

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Speaker 1: he said, thinks he can play quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt like I could play in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm a confident guy. Uh. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: you know, I think there's more guys paving the way

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Speaker 1: for you know, the transition of you know, not really

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Speaker 1: caring how big you are, how it's all you are.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I mean, I've I'll played this game

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Speaker 1: need a broader question. It's football or baseball? Brought a question.

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Speaker 1: If I'm looking at the contracts in the two sports

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Speaker 1: from an early contract standpoint, football makes a lot more sense.

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Speaker 1: If all he cares about and you know, obviously we

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Speaker 1: don't We don't know the inner workings of Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: his money, He's going to make more money being a

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Speaker 1: I mean and to me, it depends on how much

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Apparently, Billy Bean and the rest

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Speaker 1: trying to convince him to pick baseball. We we we'd

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is is known by a lot of people

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Speaker 1: He got that four point seven million dollars signing bonus

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Speaker 1: It seems like the retread the retread rate of NFL

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