Speaker 1: When I saw the scene with the track, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Pollie is my favorite character in it, and she's
Speaker 1: a badass and she just walks out of that car
Speaker 1: with a cigarette and their mouth and she steps on shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking peaky Blinders with this evening's guest on
Speaker 2: the podcast, Jenny Beth from Savages the Eagle eared. Amongst
Speaker 2: you will have noticed a snippet of brand new solo
Speaker 2: music from Jenny was debuted in the most recent series
Speaker 2: of the show. That track, I'm the Man, gets an
Speaker 2: official release as part of the soundtrack in mid November.
Speaker 2: But don't worry if Picky Blinders isn't your thing, though,
Speaker 2: we talk about plenty of other stuff. That's just one
Speaker 2: of the projects that Jenny has been busy with. Recently,
Speaker 2: she made the first episode of an all new music
Speaker 2: TV show called Echoes. It was interesting to hear about
Speaker 2: her reasons for doing that. She and her long term
Speaker 2: collaborator Johnny Hostile also work together on the soundtrack for
Speaker 2: the film X Why Chelsea, the documentary movie about transgender
Speaker 2: activist Chelsea Manning released back at the start of the summer.
Speaker 2: Other places, the chat goes the success of her friend's
Speaker 2: idols over the past couple of years. We get Jenny's
Speaker 2: thoughts on the latest Nick Cave and the Bad Seas
Speaker 2: album and the WAKEM Phoenix Joker movie that came out
Speaker 2: not that long ago. We have a chat about that,
Speaker 2: and I ask about where Savages are at right now too.
Speaker 2: I should probably mention Tonight's episode is the final one
Speaker 2: of the series. Stuart and I have been here every
Speaker 2: Thursday night at midnight for the past ten weeks. I
Speaker 2: wanted to say thank you again to all of our
Speaker 2: guests on this run. That was Karen O, Kate Temper,
Speaker 2: Serge Pizono, Julia, Jaqueline him, Stephen Mountmus, Holly Herndon, Adam Green,
Speaker 2: George the Poet, and of course Jenny Tonight. Thanks for
Speaker 2: all those people who helped us get those guests as well,
Speaker 2: and thanks to all the people who have said complimentary
Speaker 2: things about our podcast or recommended it to your friends
Speaker 2: and your tweets and things like that. We appreciate the
Speaker 2: support and I know this gets boring to say it
Speaker 2: every time, so we don't and we haven't recently, but
Speaker 2: if you do enjoy the podcast, please do leave a
Speaker 2: review or a rating wherever you're listening to this right now.
Speaker 2: We will be back at some point, hopefully in early
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. But enough of all that, I leave you
Speaker 2: on this high note, Jenny Beth on Midnight Chats. One
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Speaker 2: are you doing? First of all, how are things?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, Thank you very much, thanks for having
Speaker 3: me good.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about, or I want to start
Speaker 2: by as about some of the projects you've been recently
Speaker 2: involved with. Sure, you've been busy. First off, just a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago you made a TV show. Yeah, tell
Speaker 2: me about it called Echoes, Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Echoes.
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about how that came about.
Speaker 2: Has that been something you wanted to do for a while?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really something I wanted to do at the
Speaker 1: back of my head, but it's not It was not
Speaker 1: something that I expected to do so soon. So I've
Speaker 1: been doing the radio show on Beats one for two
Speaker 1: years and talking to different artists, and my attraction to
Speaker 1: that was that I love to probably just as much
Speaker 1: as you to talk to artists and try to understand
Speaker 1: how they came how their passion for music came about,
Speaker 1: and how they you know, it turned out that dedicated
Speaker 1: all their life to music. And also, you know, I
Speaker 1: love to hear musicians and have them talk and have
Speaker 1: them express, you know, things about not just music, but
Speaker 1: about the world and about the yeah they're visions and
Speaker 1: the way they see things as they are, and culture
Speaker 1: in general. So I guess that the TV show is
Speaker 1: an extension to that. So I was asked to if
Speaker 1: I was would be interested to try do a first
Speaker 1: episode of a TV show and if I could come
Speaker 1: up with a concept, and so me and Johnny host
Speaker 1: I worked on that together and Johnny actually actually came
Speaker 1: up with the name Echoes with Jenny Bef. He came
Speaker 1: up with my radio show name as well. It's really
Speaker 1: good with names. I'm not very good with names. But
Speaker 1: so any idea is I mean, echoes is you know,
Speaker 1: it's a sound word, but it's also the idea of
Speaker 1: having different musicians respond to each other and have you know,
Speaker 1: their experiences echo with another musician's experience and try to
Speaker 1: have that group talk. So the TV show is a
Speaker 1: live performance in front of an audience, So it's a gig.
Speaker 1: It's like free bands coming in or free artists coming
Speaker 1: in and performing in front of an audience. And at
Speaker 1: the end, part of the audience and all the musicians
Speaker 1: we group together in a sort of doctor feel good
Speaker 1: sort of round circle with chairs. We all sit down
Speaker 1: and we have a group talk. And my desire for
Speaker 1: that is to you know, find the resonances between each
Speaker 1: musicians and to try I think there's a scene.
Speaker 3: At the moment.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of musicians that have a lot to say,
Speaker 1: and I think, especially on TV, it really annoys me
Speaker 1: that musicians are often asked to come and perform, but
Speaker 1: never ask to sit down and talk.
Speaker 3: I mean compared to.
Speaker 1: Actors or directors or I don't know, yeah, people in
Speaker 1: movies for sure. I just feel that it's a shame
Speaker 1: because there's a real voice that is missing out, especially
Speaker 1: on TV. So, yeah, that's the idea. So for the
Speaker 1: first episode we shot a few weeks ago, which is
Speaker 1: going to be broadcasted before the end of the year
Speaker 1: on URTE the channel it's a front called German channel,
Speaker 1: but it's also it's going to be available on the
Speaker 1: web on the Anzi web worldwide. So I invited Primal,
Speaker 1: scream Idols and a young band from home called Life,
Speaker 1: and it was amazing. It was great because it would
Speaker 1: just worked out really well. There were some, you know,
Speaker 1: incredible parts of the discussion, and the live performances were
Speaker 1: amazing and the set of echoes is quite unusual. The
Speaker 1: stage has this sort of white panel coming down to
Speaker 1: the audience like a white tongue.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: That the musicians can come up and down and to
Speaker 1: the crowd, and visually it's quite stunning in this sort
Speaker 1: of brutalist venue in Paris underneath the Palette Tokyo Museum.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that was the idea. But yeah, never
Speaker 1: in my life I thought, oh my god, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do TV show. It's going to be happening. But
Speaker 1: it just happened, and I'm glad and I feel we're
Speaker 1: going to know really soon if we get a series
Speaker 1: or if we can do more. I've already received the
Speaker 1: emails like Underworld want to be on the TV show received, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like friends have been contacting Me'd be like, oh, we
Speaker 1: want to do the Gennibeb Show, and I'm really happy
Speaker 1: about that. I just want to bring my friends on TV. Really,
Speaker 1: that's all I want to do. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think it's interesting you saying that you
Speaker 2: felt like there was a lack of opportunity for artists
Speaker 2: to come and speak in a long form way on TV.
Speaker 2: It always seems to be the way that you know,
Speaker 2: for example, if you're watching something like Jules Holland, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: here's ten seconds with this artist to say something.
Speaker 3: There's the big artists.
Speaker 2: Of course exactly, and it's and then all the same
Speaker 2: with like the Graham Norton Show or something. It's like
Speaker 2: you perform and then you're on the sofa for all
Speaker 2: of thirty seconds to somebody say, oh, your new singles out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done that, We've gorillas. We performed and me
Speaker 1: and Denman went to the sofa.
Speaker 3: It was fine. I did a good joke and then
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 2: It, exactly.
Speaker 1: But I wish I wish there was more of another
Speaker 1: way of seeing.
Speaker 2: This, Yeah, a chance to be more expansive and actually
Speaker 2: get into explore some of the theme and the intention
Speaker 2: and all those things that go along with making music.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, put the artists on the same level
Speaker 1: as well. Like when we did the first piece of eCos,
Speaker 1: the Bobby was sitting Ridols and life and you know,
Speaker 1: they're all on different times in their careers, you know.
Speaker 1: And but it's a group discussion, and I've witnessed so
Speaker 1: many discussions like that in backstage, you know, at festivals
Speaker 1: or musicians just meet up and share, and I think
Speaker 1: that's how we exchange knowledge. We can not repeat mistakes,
Speaker 1: we can expand our mind or just oh you do
Speaker 1: this this way or that's interesting, and you know, and
Speaker 1: just yeah, have the sense of community as well, which
Speaker 1: exists in hip hop, you know, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be and it exists in my community, but I wanted
Speaker 1: a platform to show it.
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the role of being host? And you're
Speaker 2: used to broadcasting speaking to artists, you like, you say,
Speaker 2: you've been doing the radio show for a number of
Speaker 2: years now, but this is a different thing. It's a
Speaker 2: new format, something brand new. So you've been thinking about Yeah,
Speaker 2: how did you feel about doing that?
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely didn't eat that day for sure. No,
Speaker 1: I was a bit nervous, but I think it's because
Speaker 1: it's the first time and you want to do it right,
Speaker 1: so you get you put a bit of pressure on yourself.
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: I hope the artist enjoyed it. That was my main
Speaker 1: concern and that's what I've been telling The whole team
Speaker 1: has been working on the TV show, and like you know,
Speaker 1: it's all about them. They need to be happy with
Speaker 1: the sound, they need to be happy about the welcome,
Speaker 1: the way they treated about the food, about you know,
Speaker 1: it's simple as that. But if artists are happy to
Speaker 1: do something like that, because no artists I know like
Speaker 1: love to do promotion or love to do TV shows.
Speaker 1: But if it happens well, and if it's a good
Speaker 1: it's a good you know, it's a good reception, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good team and it's a good
Speaker 1: then they will want to come back.
Speaker 3: So that's that was my main point.
Speaker 2: Could you make a TV show like that in the UK?
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like maybe do.
Speaker 1: You I mean, does Lauren love and you don't know
Speaker 1: how lucky you are out to have BBC six. You
Speaker 1: don't know, like, because in France there isn't there isn't
Speaker 1: a platform for music I love to listen to. I mean,
Speaker 1: yesterday morning I put on BBC six and there was
Speaker 1: song to the Saren and I was like, WHOA really?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would put that on when I wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning. But in France there isn't and
Speaker 1: there isn't a platform radio OTV for the music I
Speaker 1: listen to.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that it's going to get broadcast later in
Speaker 2: the year. You're presumably excited to hopefully do more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great that you've already got people getting
Speaker 2: in touch saying that they want to be involved. I
Speaker 2: mean I saw some of the photos from the recording.
Speaker 2: It did look like really futuristic, but it's like the
Speaker 2: set design. It looked really high spec and really stylish,
Speaker 2: and also like the kind of thing that you would
Speaker 2: if I was an artist. It would look quite inviting
Speaker 2: to be like, I think I want to do.
Speaker 3: That, I hope.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the set was designed by Antoine Carlier,
Speaker 1: who's the designer in my label, Papmar Record, and he's
Speaker 1: designed a whole set, and he's doing the art direction
Speaker 1: of everything, and then Johnny Horsta is doing the music
Speaker 1: for the you know, the intro and all them. So
Speaker 1: it's a very close team, Like it's my friends as
Speaker 1: people I know really well have been working.
Speaker 3: With for a long time.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the first episode out before
Speaker 2: the end of the year, and I do hope there's
Speaker 2: going to be more because it sounds fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well me too.
Speaker 2: Let's see you mentioned one of the artists that you
Speaker 2: had there on the TV shows Idols. To see their
Speaker 2: rise has been really exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has.
Speaker 2: Their message so direct. You know Joe and the band, well,
Speaker 2: you've met them on a number of occasions. Have you
Speaker 2: kind of witnessed their ascent the last eighteen months and
Speaker 2: really been like, yeah, we need a band like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I feel very close to what I doos are doing.
Speaker 1: I was very happy to meet Joe and the Band.
Speaker 1: I went to see them at the Electric Ballroom when
Speaker 1: they did like for three or four nights in a row,
Speaker 1: and we went there every night. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: obviously some similarities with Savages, I think on the way
Speaker 1: they addressed the audience to where the message is really
Speaker 1: direct when brutalism came out, so I had Joe on
Speaker 1: the show, on the radio show, because I felt very
Speaker 1: interested lyrically of what he was doing. He's one of
Speaker 1: my firs lyricists. His directness is harness ty. But the
Speaker 1: nobleshit thing, I think is what really attracts me to them,
Speaker 1: and the violence in the sounds, and then I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the fact that they're a band of men. They're
Speaker 1: sort of reinventing what it means to be a man
Speaker 1: in a band, you know, this sort of which I
Speaker 1: think it was very necessary because we've been having a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations about how women are in a band
Speaker 1: or what it means or what it is, and then
Speaker 1: suddenly they come about and they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you can be a band full of men, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be you know, sex and dragon and
Speaker 1: rock and roll. It can be or it could be,
Speaker 1: but I mean it can be about being sensitive as well,
Speaker 1: or talking about subjects which are unexpected, you know, fatherhood,
Speaker 1: you know, And I love that. I think that's reinventing something,
Speaker 1: and I think they're bringing a new conversation to the scene,
Speaker 1: which I love.
Speaker 2: And moving the narrative on perhaps out of a you
Speaker 2: know a lot of different music styles can maybe get
Speaker 2: caught in a cycle of repeating similar themes or refrains
Speaker 2: or visuals. You know, is it important you think to
Speaker 2: hear a band coming out? I mean, Savage Is are
Speaker 2: a perfect example of that, moving the narrative forward, like
Speaker 2: we always need that to advance what it is we're
Speaker 2: listening to.
Speaker 1: I remember when Savages came out. I mean at the beginning,
Speaker 1: when we started, it felt quite alone. I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like we had a scene and we had
Speaker 1: which I think there is now. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of different now with bands like Fountains, DC, Medal, Capital Crows.
Speaker 1: There's you know, idols, there's this sort of even sonically,
Speaker 1: there's something going on with guitar music, which I think
Speaker 1: is interesting. But what I like is that there's also
Speaker 1: an eclecticism about it, like bands and you know, like
Speaker 1: Joe would say, like you listen to hip hop and
Speaker 1: then you want to write a song, or you listen
Speaker 1: to techno and you want to write a song, but
Speaker 1: the outcome is, you know, rock music.
Speaker 2: I suppose the last time you and I met up
Speaker 2: was I think almost three years ago, and it was
Speaker 2: coming towards the end of the touring that you've done
Speaker 2: for the second Savages record. Yeah, and you were talking
Speaker 2: about lots of projects that were in the pipeline to
Speaker 2: do with your own composition, your own music. Some of
Speaker 2: those have come to fruition in the last like twelve months.
Speaker 2: For example, the work that you've done on the Chelsea
Speaker 2: Manning movie soundtrack that you did earlier this year. What
Speaker 2: attracted you to the idea of working on that project.
Speaker 1: So Tim Hawkins, the director, contacted me and me and
Speaker 1: said that he wanted me to be involved in some
Speaker 1: ways or another into the soundtrack. I wanted to work
Speaker 1: with Johnny Harstadt on this because he's very, very, very
Speaker 1: good with instrumental music, and we have a long term
Speaker 1: relationship in terms of making music together. So I knew
Speaker 1: it was kind of going to be easy to do
Speaker 1: it together in the studio in Paris, and we had
Speaker 1: sort of a short deadline to do it. So we
Speaker 1: started working straight away and pretty soon we realized it
Speaker 1: was going to be easy because team had the same
Speaker 1: references as ours, where we were sort of talking in
Speaker 1: the same language or It was great and.
Speaker 3: The movie is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a political subject. Chelsea Manning is you
Speaker 1: know the trance wilstle Blower who created wikiliks really, I
Speaker 1: mean not created, but like was a big part of
Speaker 1: story exactly, And so it's a political subject or however,
Speaker 1: it's not why I did it. I mean, I admire
Speaker 1: her as a as a historical character, I admire her courage,
Speaker 1: but just a prospect of making music for a long,
Speaker 1: long movie, long length movie was exciting and a good movie.
Speaker 1: Because it's a really good movie. It's funny how it's
Speaker 1: turned out to be quite a movie about someone, about
Speaker 1: a human being instead of a political figure. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen a movie, but that's quite
Speaker 1: Some people don't like it for that reason, but I
Speaker 1: love it for that reason. It's not an activist movie,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, exactly. It concentrates on Chelsea Manning, like the character and.
Speaker 1: Her feelings and her emotions and how she struggles with
Speaker 1: what she's done and tries to make sense of.
Speaker 2: Who she is the process of being involved with that.
Speaker 2: That the soundtrack, if we just isolate that, people can
Speaker 2: go away and listen to that. It's a very moving,
Speaker 2: very atmospheric, chilling, beautiful piece of composition that the movie's
Speaker 2: soundtracked by that you yourself and Johnny worked on. Did
Speaker 2: you work to the images that we're going to appear
Speaker 2: on screen? Were you given a brief? How did it?
Speaker 2: How did that set of songs come together?
Speaker 1: I agree with you with the notion that the music
Speaker 1: is there's a gentle ness to it, And I think
Speaker 1: that's what we were trying to bring because her, what
Speaker 1: she goes for is so harsh, so hard, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you want to approach it with delicacy. You don't
Speaker 1: want the music to take over what she's feeling. So
Speaker 1: there is a gentle ness to the music. I think
Speaker 1: for that reason, I'm trying to envelope her, to support
Speaker 1: her to Yeah, there's also really more harshness in the
Speaker 1: music when it comes to war and it comes to
Speaker 1: talking about those things. The references were quite wide. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously there's the Atticus Russ and Trent Dresner, you know,
Speaker 1: soundtracks and the use of piano electronics reference, which I
Speaker 1: think we will agreed on straight away with Johnny, Tim
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: The social network Did they work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the social network exactly, maybe a bit of mister Robert,
Speaker 1: you know the idea, you know, all the hacker sort
Speaker 1: of side of it, and yeah, and the rest was
Speaker 1: just trying to I think Johnny said something interesting when
Speaker 1: describing our process was we were like the band and
Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning was the singer, the lead singer, because she
Speaker 1: was leading the way. You had to support what she
Speaker 1: was going through, what she was saying. And sometimes we
Speaker 1: even tuned the music to her voice.
Speaker 2: Which sounds crazy, but are you finding like interviews on YouTube.
Speaker 3: And stuff, and you know that her voice in the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you're working to the.
Speaker 1: Word you would be saying. We used it as if
Speaker 1: it was a lyric and tried to tune or instruments
Speaker 1: to her voice, okay, just to fit as much as
Speaker 1: we could too.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Was that the first time you've worked in that sort
Speaker 2: of way in a film you mean? Or oh yeah,
Speaker 2: just just because yeah, you were taking this segments of interviews,
Speaker 2: I suppose, the documentarian style storytelling and then creating some
Speaker 2: original compositions. So was that like a new challenge, a
Speaker 2: new way of exploring your own creativity.
Speaker 1: It was new in the sense of making a long
Speaker 1: lend movie. The music from start to end. But it
Speaker 1: didn't feel new in a sense that we felt ready,
Speaker 1: like because we had worked a lot on image before.
Speaker 1: Me and Johnny, we did a lot of work for
Speaker 1: like years back. We did some work for Chanel, like
Speaker 1: doing music for their images and things like that, and
Speaker 1: with a film company were involved with in France, and
Speaker 1: we had a few experiences doing you know, short films
Speaker 1: or so it didn't feel new completely. And the idea
Speaker 1: of crafting music to a context as well as something
Speaker 1: we've done a lot with savages, like we would write
Speaker 1: our own music for the pre shows. We would, you know,
Speaker 1: or write music for an intro of a video or
Speaker 1: adapt music and always doing that and that's work we've
Speaker 1: always done with Johnny. So it didn't feel new in
Speaker 1: that sense, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you feel moved the first time you saw
Speaker 2: the movie and everything complete?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I've always moved the first time I watched
Speaker 1: a movie. I feel one of my favorite scenes when
Speaker 1: the first time you and Johnny watched it there was
Speaker 1: no music all the way through. But when we saw
Speaker 1: the first time you see her in the movies, when
Speaker 1: she she's released and she's walking up the plane the
Speaker 1: private jet that they so she has a live vest
Speaker 1: and we could hear music even though there was no music.
Speaker 1: It was sort of really mind blowing to see her
Speaker 1: walk up plan, especially as you when you know how
Speaker 1: team filmed that.
Speaker 3: He was alone with his camera. There was no.
Speaker 1: Guarantee he was going to be able to have that shot.
Speaker 1: It's a long story short, but like he didn't, nobody
Speaker 1: knew she if she was going to be released, so
Speaker 1: until Obama released her, and so he was kind of
Speaker 1: ready for weeks. He was waiting with his camera and
Speaker 1: waiting to see where he was supposed to be and
Speaker 1: to catch that moment and managed to get it. So
Speaker 1: it's quite moving to see that.
Speaker 2: Viewers of Picky Blinders would have heard a snippet of
Speaker 2: new Jenny Beth music. Yeah, an episode broadcast quite recently
Speaker 2: during the most recent series, and you kind of shared
Speaker 2: that and trailed the fact that there's going to be
Speaker 2: potentially some more music in twenty twenty. Yes, what can
Speaker 2: you tell me about what you've been working on in
Speaker 2: that respect?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I was this was sort of not an accident, a
Speaker 1: happy accident. Let's say, I think Anthony Burron, the director
Speaker 1: Peaky Blinders, we've become friends and he's he was interested
Speaker 1: in hearing what I was working on, and it was
Speaker 1: his choice to have I'm the Man snippets of there
Speaker 1: in the episode. I thought that was a great idea,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of okay, you know, this is happening.
Speaker 1: It was, it was sort of funny, but I think
Speaker 1: it's more and more like the fluidity of that and
Speaker 1: you know the idea of not planning necessarily and let
Speaker 1: things happen organically. So, Yeah, they liked the track. They
Speaker 1: wanted to have it on the scene. And when I
Speaker 1: saw the scene with the track, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Polly is my favorite character in it, and she's
Speaker 1: a badass and she just walks out of that car
Speaker 1: with a cigarette in her mouth and she steps on
Speaker 1: ship and then she walks, she walks bare feet to
Speaker 1: Arthur and and Tommy and I think that was just
Speaker 1: a perfect scene for it, and so I was happy
Speaker 1: to have it in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then so The Picky Blind the soundtracks coming out
Speaker 1: mid November, and so the track will be in the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that would be the first Yeah Jenny
Speaker 1: BEV track coming out.
Speaker 2: Killian Murphy's talked about his love of Savages before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: have you been a long term fan of that show?
Speaker 2: How did you come.
Speaker 1: Across I've watched everything, and I watched it from the
Speaker 1: beginning and I loved it. Obviously, when Killian wanted to
Speaker 1: have Savages in it, then it was a no brainer
Speaker 1: for me for the previous season and then we sort
Speaker 1: of met, and yeah, I'm a fan of the show.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's one of those where you have
Speaker 1: a lead character that is not entirely good, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what I like about also the Joker that
Speaker 1: just came out the idea of having a you know,
Speaker 1: a hero that isn't one. But also that is sort
Speaker 1: of making you doubt your morals and I think all
Speaker 1: your preconceptions about things or are you you see life
Speaker 1: or and I kind of like that.
Speaker 3: I think art should do that.
Speaker 1: It should shake you a little bit out of your
Speaker 1: comfort zone about what you think is right when you
Speaker 1: think is wrong. And I think Picky has that, and
Speaker 1: all of the characters AfOR I mean, obviously Tommy's brother
Speaker 1: is very very flowed.
Speaker 3: He has this.
Speaker 1: He can't stop himself from being violent, and I think
Speaker 1: those characters are very interesting for that reason. What I
Speaker 1: like is that you need a little bit. You need
Speaker 1: to use your imagination in order to like them. You
Speaker 1: need to do a leap, you need to do and
Speaker 1: make an effort. You need to connect things that you
Speaker 1: don't usually connect with and your connect together in your head.
Speaker 1: It's not just given to you. And I like that
Speaker 1: effort that you are asked to do that effort.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the Joker film? I went
Speaker 2: to see it maybe just over a week ago, and
Speaker 2: I understand why it's been divisive, but I personally thought
Speaker 2: it was really good.
Speaker 1: I don't underst then why it's been divisive. It's it's
Speaker 1: really crazy with the world we're leaving. I don't understand
Speaker 1: why things have been taken so seriously. It's that first
Speaker 1: degree thing that I don't understand. It's a film, it's art,
Speaker 1: it's not I don't understand why everything has to be
Speaker 1: put to the real life. Why we make music, why
Speaker 1: we make films. Do not necessarily have to put it
Speaker 1: back to real life, to the morals of real life,
Speaker 1: to the you know, the way we live or we
Speaker 1: think in reality. There has nothing to do with a
Speaker 1: film or with For me, it's I don't get it
Speaker 1: I don't get away. It has to fit with now,
Speaker 1: with the morals of today, with the with the way
Speaker 1: we see things today. I found that very sad when
Speaker 1: I hear, you know, people say, oh, I don't read
Speaker 1: that book because the writer was you know, a racist,
Speaker 1: or it was you know, or it was I get it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you know, you can,
Speaker 1: I know really good people in life, but they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily good writers. Like I know it sounds stupid, but
Speaker 1: I feel I feel for me. But maybe it's because
Speaker 1: I'm French. I don't know, but you know, like Celine
Speaker 1: is an incredible French writer, and it hasn't been There
Speaker 1: hasn't been many amazing writers, you know that can really
Speaker 1: move forward the literature of French literature and move forward.
Speaker 3: Our language, you know.
Speaker 1: Or he's he's using our language, the French language, you know,
Speaker 1: and making it is a mirror to who we are.
Speaker 1: And and yes he's politics I'm very very wrong. But
Speaker 1: read it because it's an incredible book and it's just
Speaker 1: for me. I don't Yeah, I don't get that sort
Speaker 1: of line where you have to read art through the
Speaker 1: prism of to this morality.
Speaker 2: And there's that culture of almost retrospectively disregarding somebody and
Speaker 2: like basically applying like today's morals to something that art
Speaker 2: that was created fifty hundred years ago. It's like, but
Speaker 2: we live in a different age.
Speaker 1: And the morality changes all the time. It's not something
Speaker 1: that's going to stay fixed.
Speaker 2: For me. That film was great. I thought it abandoned
Speaker 2: all of the familiar tropes of that type of that
Speaker 2: genre of movie. Yeah, completely, that I've just got completely.
Speaker 2: I sort of got tired. I was like, I was
Speaker 2: waiting for something like that to come along, to be
Speaker 2: like we need regardless of finally, yeah, just having a
Speaker 2: little bit more refreshing like that genre is going to
Speaker 2: just you know, it's like we talked about earlier. In music,
Speaker 2: you can just repeat yourself and you become caught in
Speaker 2: these cycles of just the familiar. And yet something like
Speaker 2: that comes along and you think, Okay, even if you
Speaker 2: don't like it, that feels like it's an offshoot of that.
Speaker 2: It's something new, it might create something different.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, in the room when there was a back room
Speaker 1: when we went to see it first night, you came
Speaker 1: out in France and you could see all the people
Speaker 1: there were people used to go to see superhero movies
Speaker 1: like really you know, or even the Last Star Wars, like, well,
Speaker 1: this isn't it like really commercial movies? And wow, the
Speaker 1: silence in the room on the first half of the
Speaker 1: movie was incredible.
Speaker 3: Everyone was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: Certainly people like that are going to see what I
Speaker 1: considered to be an art film almost you know, first
Speaker 1: half of it is kind of really arty.
Speaker 2: This goes back to the stuff we were just talking
Speaker 2: about about. Peaky Blind is about the characters being flawed
Speaker 2: and full of layers. So the joker to go and
Speaker 2: try and tell that origin story of an individual that's
Speaker 2: so complex. Yeah, I admire the fact they tried to
Speaker 2: do it, and personally I think like they had it
Speaker 2: made a really good job of trying to really get
Speaker 2: to the root of really, how does somebody get from
Speaker 2: being born a human being to be somebody who thinks
Speaker 2: it's rational to blow up a hospital? So if you
Speaker 2: think of those basics to then approach that as a
Speaker 2: film and be like, right, we're going to have to
Speaker 2: try and join the dots to get our viewers to
Speaker 2: that point where and you understand why this individual does that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was quite an extraordinary piece of filmmaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think if you're studying psychology, you should
Speaker 1: go into that movie. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: real facts about how insanity cripsion and how you become
Speaker 1: a killer. I think definitely it's going to be studied
Speaker 1: that film, no doubt in universities. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be showing that to students and that. So how
Speaker 1: does a murderer come about? Have a look at this film.
Speaker 2: It's great that it takes place in that arena that
Speaker 2: normally wouldn't tackle that type of subject matter.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: We talked a bit about the music that you've been
Speaker 2: working on, the TV show, the soundtrack work you've done.
Speaker 2: What does the next kind of few months hold for you,
Speaker 2: What are you currently working on, what are you're hoping
Speaker 2: to do more of? What kind you say for people listening,
Speaker 2: Jenny's just made a very tight lipped face. You might
Speaker 2: as done that little thing where you kind of zip
Speaker 2: the mouth.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I've been working on new music and
Speaker 1: be announcement soon. So yeah, I mean I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: do more of echoes and release new music. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: working on a lot of different things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it needs to come. Yes, definitely, announcements soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When we met before, we talked a bit about kind
Speaker 2: of like Savages, and we went in depth talking about
Speaker 2: how you approach it as an art project and how
Speaker 2: it was in terms of what happened next. It was
Speaker 2: important that you all go away and do your own thing.
Speaker 2: Feel every individual member of the band's head with their
Speaker 2: own ideas, explore their own creativity, and when the right
Speaker 2: point comes, come back together. Is that still your attitude
Speaker 2: towards what's going on with Savages.
Speaker 3: I mean, I.
Speaker 1: I love Savages. I think it's an incredible band I
Speaker 1: mean to be part of. I've definitely decided to put
Speaker 1: it on hold for the reasons that you mentioned. As
Speaker 1: far as coming back together, there's no plans for now,
Speaker 1: I don't really have I don't really have a plan
Speaker 1: one way or another. I think I wanted to collaborate
Speaker 1: with different people, have different experiences, and I don't really
Speaker 1: put borders on my mind about what's going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, happening next after this. So yeah, no, no exclusion,
Speaker 1: no you know, no, yeah, no, no particular decisions on
Speaker 1: that side. I just leave the open. I think that's
Speaker 1: the where my brain works as well. I don't like to,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like to really. I just go
Speaker 1: where the music takes me and where you know, where
Speaker 1: my creative it is feels the most excited that I
Speaker 1: hate to feel bored and I hate to feel trapped
Speaker 1: and creatively so.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, just finding when to ask about some of
Speaker 2: the music that you might have discovered recently. I know
Speaker 2: you're a big Nick Cave and the Bad Seats fan.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the album that came out recently?
Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm I'm not that much into
Speaker 1: it compared to the two last records. The two last
Speaker 1: records were for me, masterpieces and they were really important
Speaker 1: part of They really influenced me in some ways. I
Speaker 1: feel this one is sort of almost too real, too
Speaker 1: close to the reality of grief, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I feel a bit like looking at something that doesn't
Speaker 1: almost I shouldn't be looking at when the others felt
Speaker 1: a bit more mysterious and sort of yeah, mysterious and
Speaker 1: and poetic. And also there's this sort of Jesus thing
Speaker 1: which seems to be a thing at the moment. I
Speaker 1: have a hard time with religion, and sometimes I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's because of the cane waste
Speaker 1: thing at the moment, but I feel like this is
Speaker 1: sort of a back going backwards artists bringing back religion
Speaker 1: into their work. And I say backwards because I feel that,
Speaker 1: come on, we need to we need to get out
Speaker 1: of this. And and I'm as strong, We're not as strong,
Speaker 1: But like I'm not a big fan of religions, and
Speaker 1: I don't have a.
Speaker 3: Hard time with that.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a believer in the universe and in science,
Speaker 1: and and there's so much knowledge of discovered the perhaps
Speaker 1: a few years getting into that. I feel that anyone
Speaker 1: who understands that we live on in Earth and the
Speaker 1: way it is, and that we all made of stardust,
Speaker 1: and anyone who understands that gets, you know, one distance,
Speaker 1: there are actual facts about those things. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the religion, why religions is to existing, but I mean,
Speaker 1: so that was my barriers with the Nick Cave record,
Speaker 1: which I say that with the most respects and the
Speaker 1: most you know, I love his work obviously, but sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes I've actually gone off and on and off, and
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes really records and I didn't really get
Speaker 1: into as much, and it doesn't really matter. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make me love him less or you know, I don't
Speaker 1: judge him on that.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I think that's an important thing for anybody
Speaker 2: who makes music and is just a fan of music
Speaker 2: to be able to say. It's like when an artist
Speaker 2: or a band or whoever it is, makes a catalog
Speaker 2: of work that you don't have to be a devout
Speaker 2: ten out of ten follower for every piece of work.
Speaker 2: You know, like, you know, not every Radiohead album has
Speaker 2: been incredible. I'm sorry, but and.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can go back on records years later. I
Speaker 1: think that's quite fantastic when that happens, you know, records
Speaker 1: you were too young to discover, Like remember discovering my
Speaker 1: own faith Broken English, I mean years later. I was
Speaker 1: too young when you came out. Yeah, and you have
Speaker 1: to be ready for a certain record, yea.
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