1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to a Christmas Eve edition of Packers 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: unscripted from Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spofford, joined 3 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: as always by my partner in crime, West hod Kuwitz, 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: were coming to you here from socially distant locations at 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: lambeau Field. Merry Christmas, everybody. Merry Christmas to you, Weston, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you, Michael. I hope you get everything 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: that you want from the family. I know for myself, 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: just happy to have my health, happy to have a 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: healthy family, and Mike, most importantly, I'm happy to have 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: you absolutely well. We are certainly looking forward to getting 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: into a new year as well during this holiday season 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: with everything that has brought. But there is some business 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: to take care of here in the NFL, and it's 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Week sixteen Packers and Titans, Sunday night football under the 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: lights at lambeau Field and West This is really an 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: interesting Not very often this late in the season do 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: you get two teams both with double digit victories from 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: different conferences going at it here. But we saw when 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: this schedule came out in the spring, Packers Titans Week sixteen, 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: a couple of nights after Christmas at lambeau Field, You're 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, these are the two teams that 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: lost in the conference championship games the previous season, they 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: were the conference runners up, and uh, sure enough, here 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: we are. This is a pretty big ball game. Yeah, 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: that might have been the first thing that came to 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: mind for you, Mike. The first thing that came to 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: mind for me was why the heck are the Packers 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: playing the Titans in Week sixteen? Like, what is the 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: point of this? But as I joked about an insider inbox, 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: so the fact that this game was not moved out 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: of the Sunday night football time slot tells you everything 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: you need to know about the fact that this is 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: once again two teams that made it to the final 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: four last year and have stayed right at the cream 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: of the crop in their respective conference this season and 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: to be able to make another run at this thing. Certainly, 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: the storyline there of Matt Laflour being the former offensive 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: coordinator for Mike Vrabel and Tennessee Uh has been something 39 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: that you know this week. Lafleur has been very complementary 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: of that season that he spent there and also complimentary 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: of the time that he was able to learn from 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Rabel a little bit before moving on to his own 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: head coaching post, And from Rabel's perspective, it's he's a 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: young man in the coaching profession, only forty five, but 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: already developing a coaching tree. Both of these teams have 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: been very successful this season, but if you look at 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the way they've done it, very different in their paths 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: to how they've gotten to this point. Yeah, I think both. 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: I think from the outside, you know, fans, analysts, pundits 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: are looking at this game as saying, Okay, which one 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: of these teams is going to make a statement so 52 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: to speak on Sunday Night that you know they're ready 53 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: for the playoffs, They're going to be playoff tested all 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: of that. Personally, I think both of these teams are 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl contenders. Regardless of what happens on Sunday Night. 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: There is going to be a perception though with with 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: regard to the result of this game, how the game looks, 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: how it unfolds, as far as what a lot of 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: people are going to think about these teams heading into January, 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: don't you think it does? And I think, especially from 61 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans point of view, now that they're still 62 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: in a competition with the Colts trying to win that 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: division title. Certainly get a home playoff game to start 64 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: this thing off in a very tightly contested a f 65 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: C race right now, even though Pittsburgh's fallen off, you 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: still have Kansas City up there. You can't really take 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: any of these games for granted. If you're the Titans 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: on the NFC side of things, Green Bay, it's pretty 69 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: cut and dry for them at this point. As I 70 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: keep saying over and over again, they're one thirty two 71 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: minute flight away, uh, you know, going to Chicago away 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: from being able to to run this thing all the 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl at lambeau Field if they're 74 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: able to keep winning. So that's a massive advantage. But 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: but like I mentioned earlier, I mean the fact that 76 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: both of these teams, whether it was the Derrick hun 77 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: Henry rushing offense, uh, paired with the play action game 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: that Tennessee runs, a defense that well has given up 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of yards, has been very opportunistic in their 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: ability to take the football away, which has contributed to 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the Titans being tied for the league lead right now 82 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: and turnover differential at plus twelve and then you can 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: firstly or that with Green Bay that can run, can pass, 84 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: can own time of possession and has been really efficient 85 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: at getting on the scoreboard right away. I mean they're 86 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: in a historic streak, Mike. We haven't really talked about 87 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: it that much, but they're opening possessions scoring I think 88 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: now ten or eleven of them to this point. They've 89 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: been able to set the temple in these games, and 90 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times that's really dictated where 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: things have gone in the three quarters after that. Yeah, absolutely, 92 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: And as we get into before we get into some 93 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: more of those details about the Keys to Victory, I 94 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: will take care of our sponsored business here during the 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: holiday season. 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Maybe we'll 102 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: start in reverse because there's been so much talk obviously 103 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: about Derrick Henry coming into lambeau Field He's the reigning 104 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: rushing champion in the NFL, having won the rushing title 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. He is nearly two hundred yards ahead 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: of anybody else in the NFL in going for back 107 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: to back rushing crowns. Here, so a lot of focus 108 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: on the Packers defense and what it's going to take 109 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: to contain Derrick Henry, and not just Henry, but this 110 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: entire Titans offense, which has been pretty darn explosive both 111 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: in the run and the past. How do you see 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: this matchup for Green Bay's defense? One thing that I 113 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: look at with this matchup, Mike is going to be 114 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, but not just him as a ball carrier, 115 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: him as an overall football player. And the fact that 116 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: if you look at how the Tennessee Titans have performed 117 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: this season, there has only been four games where he 118 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: has not touched the ball more than twenty times, and 119 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: in those games they are one in three this season. 120 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: He and and it's not just a direct, you know, 121 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: reflection of what he does when he does have the football. 122 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: It also shows you how if he does get doesn't 123 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: get normal amount of carries that he usually gets, it 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: is going to take them out of their offensive rhythm. 125 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: Everything is predicated on establishing the run early and building 126 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the play action passing game off of that. Late Corey 127 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Davis A. J. Brown to the top young receivers in 128 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: this league deep ball threats. They pair up very nicely 129 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: with the constant threat that Henry provides in that backfield. 130 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: But from Green Bay's defensive standpoint, I think it comes 131 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: down to early on making him work for those yards. 132 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be almost nearly impossible to keep him 133 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: underneath fifty sixty yards. It's only happened I think twice 134 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: this season that he's been under seventy. He's going to 135 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: get his production, But how many times does he have 136 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: to carry that ball in order to do it. The 137 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: more times he carries it, the fewer yards that he's 138 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: able to mass off of it. That's what can disrupt 139 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: the Titans. And that's where the Packers have to win 140 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: this ball game, because you know, at the end of 141 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: the day, the breakdowns type of you know, the explosive place, 142 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna want to challenge you. So if 143 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: you're able to curtails some of that early momentum, I 144 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: think that's going to really be what helps push this 145 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: thing in the Packers favor. Yeah. I mean we talked 146 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: sometimes about, Okay, is there a magic number to hold 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: a big running back to We've had fans ask us 148 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: an insider in box welcome the Packers hold them under 149 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: a hundred yards, And I don't know if there's a 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: magic number in that respect. I don't think the Packers 151 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: have to hold Derrick Henry under a hundred yards in 152 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: order to win this game. But I'm with the US. 153 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: I think it is about how many carries is it 154 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: going to take him to get that production? And so 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's the it's the yards per carry, it's that 156 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: per carry. The average might be the key statistic in 157 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: this game. You look at the Packers run defense. We've 158 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: talked about, how ever, since right off the bat in 159 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: that Chicago game a month ago, when David Montgomery ripped 160 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: off that fifty seven yard run, we've talked about how 161 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the Packers run defense has vastly improved since then. They've 162 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: only allowed since that fifty seven yard run. Over the 163 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: last four games, they've only allowed two hundred and sixty 164 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: eight rushing yards. I believe is the number, and the 165 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: yards per carry is right at four point zero. I 166 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: think if the Packers run defense can actually limit Derrick 167 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Henry to four point zero, I think that would be 168 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: a big win for the Packers. That you know, that means, Okay, 169 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: if he's gonna get a hunter and twenty yards, it's 170 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna take him thirty carries to get there. That goes 171 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: along with the point you were just making. I think 172 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: it's numbers like that that might mean more than what 173 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: that final whatever the rushing total is going to be 174 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: for him at the end of this game. And not 175 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: wearing down They're going to challenge you early on with Henry, 176 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: He's going to be just running up the gut and 177 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: he's going to try to wear down that defense and 178 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: that defensive front seven. It's being up to that task 179 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: where Green Bay needs to really rise to the occasion 180 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: and keep themselves their feet underneath them for four quarters 181 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: and not allowed him to break into the second level 182 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: of this defense. Like, the huge part of this I 183 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people have talked about is 184 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: when you have a running back like Henry, it's the 185 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: mental side that he yet he challenges you, not just 186 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: the physical side, because you know exactly what you're facing. 187 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: You can watch the film all week. These are professional athletes. 188 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna see what he presents. It's mentally being up 189 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: to that challenge of wanting to stop him. And I 190 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: was listening to Kenny Clark and you can kind of 191 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: hear the excitement in his voice about where this run 192 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: defense is at and this being the perfect time to 193 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: get a test like Derrick Henry. Dean Lowry, a guy 194 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: that I think earlier this season was kind of off 195 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: to a slow start. Kenny even talked about it. There's 196 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: been something different about Dean the last few weeks. He 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: hasn't been thinking as much. He's been playing more instinctively. 198 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: And that reminds me a lot of that Dean Lowry 199 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: that finished the seventeen season as strong as he did, 200 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: and the Dean Lowry that really brought it for sixteen 201 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: games in two thousand and eighteen. When those two guys 202 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: are working in chemistry. Mike Rabel even went out of 203 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: his way to talk about how fundamentally sound those guys are. 204 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: When they're filling their gaps, everything becomes a lot easier 205 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: for everybody else around them. You need to get the 206 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: rotation going, no question about it. You can't have them 207 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: playing of the snaps in a game like this, but 208 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: that is going to be the first defense that the 209 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: Titans are gonna see on Sunday. And if they can 210 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: hold up, if they can force a three and out 211 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: or a punt early on, that's where the Titans can 212 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: start to doubt themselves a little bit, and maybe, just 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: maybe Green Bay can sees the momentum of this thing 214 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: and reduce those amount of offensive touches that that Derrick 215 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: Henry is gonna see. Yeah. Well, if there are two 216 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: things that we've heard repeatedly from the Packers side this 217 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: week and discussing Derrick Henry, One is the concept of 218 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: gang tackling. It's about getting a lot of different helmets 219 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: to the football because here, this is the bottom line West, 220 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: If only one guy is going to beat his block 221 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: on a running play and be the lone guy with 222 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: a chance to tackle Derrick Henry and end the play, 223 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is gonna win that battle. More often than not. 224 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be incumbent upon two and 225 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: three and four guys to beat their block, to beat 226 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: their guy on a number of plays and to get 227 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: those multiple hats to the football. The other thing is 228 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: about taking the proper angle on Derrick Henry because he's 229 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: deceptively fast. He's a big guy, and you don't think 230 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: he's got this beat of say like an Eric Dickerson 231 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: from back in the you know, a long legged, bigger guy. 232 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: But when Eric Dickerson was in the open field man 233 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: he could really go. And Derrick Henry is the same way. 234 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: It's hard to take the proper angle because of that deception. 235 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: For me, this for this Packers defense, I think what 236 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: we've seen here over the last two seasons is these 237 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: big games come down to the Packers defense being able 238 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: to make one or two key stops throughout the course 239 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: of the game. The big one, obviously against Carolina was 240 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: Chris Barnes slapping the ball out at the goal line 241 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: on the quarterback sneak. That was the play defensively that 242 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: completely changed the complexion of the game. Now, would it 243 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: will it have to be something that dramatic against Tennessee. 244 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but it's about, you know, maybe you're gonna 245 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: have one of those third and two's where everybody knows 246 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is getting the ball and the Packers rise 247 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: up and get the stop. Maybe it's going to be 248 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, you know, a key third and 249 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: seven or third and eight, Just one of those key 250 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: moment type series where the Packers win the battle and 251 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: get off the field and get the ball back to 252 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I think that's what this game could come 253 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: down to. Yeah, and the other aspect of that that 254 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: you have to look back on that Carolina game. I 255 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: know the third quarter did not go how the Packers 256 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: wanted it to go, but after that takeaway, in the 257 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: fact the Packers were able to generate a touchdown off 258 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: of it at three. As much as there was some 259 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: adversity of Green Bay had to face in the second half, 260 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: it never really felt like the game was in jeopardy 261 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: for them, at least on the defensive side of the ball. 262 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: They just were able to find those answers and just 263 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: they seem to have a little bit of swagger there 264 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: after they got that key takeaway and being able to 265 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: do their d Train celebration in the end zone and whatnot. 266 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: That was a big moment I felt, not only in 267 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: that game, but something that can really launch them forward 268 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: here because you're seeing I talked about Laurie and Clark, 269 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: but You're seeing a lot of guys start to really 270 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: amp up here during this final stretch. Preston Smith has 271 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: had a number of sacks the last few weeks after 272 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: quiet first half of the season. Adrian Amos is playing 273 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: everywhere in this defense. Had three pass deflection in that game. Uh, 274 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: Darnell Savage looks a lot more comfortable in the back end. 275 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: And you don't need me to go into exactly everything 276 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: that goes into why JayR Alexander has been the player 277 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: he's been this season. So with Chris Barnes being able 278 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: to shake through and appears that eye injury is not 279 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: an issue. He was a full participant in practice this week, 280 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: He's able to be on the field as a key 281 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: communicator and able to rotate those inside backers. I just 282 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: think that they have the horses to be able to 283 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: stop Henry. The challenge is going to be if he 284 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: does break one early, and I'm not saying it has 285 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: to be a seventy five yard could be twenty yards, 286 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: being able to come back the next play and understand 287 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: that you need to be able to get back to 288 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: where you're at, because that's naturally just something that could 289 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: happen when you're facing someone of Henry's caliber. Yeah, absolutely, 290 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: So many times, defensive football is about responding to the 291 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: explosive play against you and either rising up and forcing 292 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: a field goal or even after an explosive play, getting 293 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: a stop and getting the ball back. Those those are 294 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: the momentum shifts that really matter on the offensive side 295 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: for Green Bay. You know, we talked about it West. 296 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: This Packers team has made a pretty good habit. Now, 297 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: they fell short last week, but they made a pretty 298 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: good habit of scoring thirty plus points per game this 299 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: season ten out of fourteen games. And this is this 300 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: is the statistic that sticks with me, is that the 301 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Packers have only lost once this season when they've scored 302 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: thirty plus points and that was in an overtime game 303 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis when that occurred. So, you know, Aaron Rodgers, 304 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be taking the field here with you know, 305 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: another one of those m VP candidate type guys on 306 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: the other side in Derrick Henry. And this is the 307 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Titans defense that has struggled, particularly against the past, particularly 308 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: with the big play and with allowing a lot of 309 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: points in in some games. I think the Packers offense 310 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: really needs to to rise to that occasion this year, 311 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: it does need to be complimentary football. If the defense 312 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: does get the stop, the offense has got to respond 313 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and put points on the board. And uh and I 314 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: just I think that thirty plus number is really going 315 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: to be key for Green Bay in this game Sunday night. 316 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: The defense pick ed up this team last week to 317 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: be able to close out that a point victory the 318 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: way they did. But this week, the offense needs to 319 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: be the ones that that really stand up to this 320 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: because the defense is going to be in for a 321 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: long night. That's just the way it is. I don't 322 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: care if your ranked number one or your ranked number 323 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: thirty two, The Titans are going to stress you out 324 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: so offensively. You look at these numbers that they're going 325 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: to be facing. The Titans are twenty seven in total yards, 326 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: they are twenty nine against the past, They are dead 327 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: last in third down defense, and they are thirtieth in 328 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: red zone defense. What does that tell you? You You need 329 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: to be able to move the football, take advantage of 330 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: explosive plays, and once you do get in the gold zone, 331 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: you need to be able to get the gold You 332 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: have to be able to turn that into points. Have 333 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: to be able to turn that into touchdowns. That opportunity 334 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: is going to be there. And I keep mentioning this point, 335 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: but you know, Davante Adams in weeks in which he 336 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: has been quiet more often than not, particularly this season, 337 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: he has bounced back with a big game. I think 338 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Robert Tonyan, I think all of 339 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: the classics here for Aaron Rodgers need to be in play. 340 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: And when it all boils down to it, the guy 341 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: that very well could be the National Football League m 342 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: VP in a couple of weeks, he needs to be 343 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: at his absolute zenith. This is going to be a challenge. 344 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: There are going to be momentum swings. There's gonna be 345 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: times where the Packers are moving the ball at will, 346 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be times where they need to respond 347 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: to that adversity and make sure that if you do 348 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: have a three not you bounce right back and you 349 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: find a way to get back downfield. I think long drives, 350 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: time of possession, and more than anything else, ball security 351 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: is going to be the pre eminent emphasis in this 352 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: matchup in order to win against the Titans. Yeah, it's 353 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: interesting A lot of people talk about this, this type 354 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: of game as as a playoff tune up because of 355 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: the caliber of opponent you're playing. In some ways, it's 356 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: almost like mentally it's more important to have that playoff 357 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: tune up. And what I mean by that is what 358 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: you just said about momentum swings and handling those, because 359 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: playoff games are all about the momentum going back and 360 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: forth and who can respond in the key moments, who 361 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: who who can stem the tide when things are going wrong, 362 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: who can seize the momentum when things are going right. 363 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Playoff games always have that kind of feel to them, 364 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: and perhaps this game on Sunday night will have that 365 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: kind of feel as well. Yeah, and if there's an 366 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for special teams, you know, with Tavon Austin getting 367 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: more comfortable on punt returns, or even if it's j 368 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: K Scott having a timely punt, they just need different 369 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: areas to kind of be able to pick themselves up. 370 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: Because when you're facing a ten win team that does 371 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: have Super Bowl aspirations, that was one game away from 372 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: it last year and returned most of those players, you 373 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: have to be able to to find different guys that 374 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: are going to step up. As I mentioned, Rogers is 375 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: the key, He's the kingpin. He's the guy that has 376 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: to be able to bring it. But it's going to 377 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: be the the Alan Lazard. It's catching a twenty two 378 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: yard cross, or Mason Crosby making a fifty one yard 379 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: field goal, or even Chris Barnes finding a way to 380 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: get a deflection at the goal line, and undrafted rookie 381 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: with a big momentum turning play. All of those reasons 382 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: are why they won a week ago, and they need 383 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: more of those type of moments in this game against Tennessee. Yeah. Well, 384 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: as far as the playoff pictures concerned, I'll repeat where 385 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: the scenario stands. As we had talked about on our 386 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: last show. The Seattle Seahawks will face the Los Angeles 387 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Rams late Sunday afternoon, and if the Rams are able 388 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: to knock off the Seahawks, then the Packers will take 389 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: the field on Sunday night with a chance to clinch 390 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: the number one seed in the NFC. If the Seahawks 391 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: beat the Rams, the Packers will not be able to 392 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: clinch on Sunday night, and the number one seed will 393 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: come down to all the activity amongst several teams in 394 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: week seventeen. So with that in mind, West, I just 395 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this one other game 396 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: that is obviously very important in the Packers playoff picture, 397 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: the Rams and the Seahawks. Seattle is one game up 398 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: on the Rams in the NFC West. The Rams took 399 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: that surprise loss to the previously winless New York Jets 400 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: the previous week. The Seahawks had actually had a game 401 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: very similar to the Packers against the Panthers. The Seahawks 402 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: were playing Washington, had a big lead, I believe it 403 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: was twenty two three. They were facing a young backup 404 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: quarterback in Dwayne Haskins and had to hold off Washington 405 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: down the stretch to to squeak one out. How do 406 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: you see with what these teams are coming off of 407 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: and where they are, how do you see the Seattle 408 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: l A matchup l A last week could not have 409 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: gone any worse. You come off, you get off to 410 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: a slow start against a previously winless Jets team. They 411 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: came back a little bit in the second half, but 412 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: didn't have enough gas left in the tank to be 413 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: able to come back and win that game. But we 414 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: talked so often about Matt Lafleur, the fact the Packers 415 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: have yet to lose back to back games underneath his leadership. 416 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: The l A Rams this year have yet to lose 417 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: back to back games, and one of those bounced back 418 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: performances after a loss against Miami was the Seattle Seahawks. Now, 419 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: it's a different game going into whatever the name of 420 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: their stadium is now these days, it changes every other week, 421 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: but Seattle is difficult to be at the stadium formerly 422 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: known as Century Link and is not going to be 423 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: easy any time that you walk into that stadium. But again, 424 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: seeing that defense with again at who likely will end 425 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: up being the defensive player of the year and Aaron 426 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: Donald seeing what they can do to generate pressure on 427 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, I feel like you're going to see a 428 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: big bounce pack performance from the Rams. Now will it 429 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: be enough to win? The Seahawks are pretty darn good 430 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: to seven Pro Bowlers that they're sending to a virtual 431 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: game kind of, And this is gonna be one of 432 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: those moments where I just I feel like with these 433 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: NFC West matchups, any given week, any of these teams 434 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: can beat each other regardless of the venue. But I 435 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: do definitely think you're going to see a much better performance, 436 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: the best put foot put forward by the l. A. 437 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: Rams trying to bounce back from a demoralizing loss to 438 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: the Jets. Because you gotta remember, the l. A. Rams 439 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: have a lot to prove here to trying to get 440 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: back into the playoff hunt missing it a year ago. Yeah, absolutely, 441 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: the Rams are trying to get back into the postseason 442 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: and they and they still feel like they have a 443 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: legitimate shot to win that division and and get a 444 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: home game. We will certainly be watching that game late 445 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon leading up to the kickoff of Packers and 446 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Titans on Sunday night. It should be a pretty good 447 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: Sunday of football. With that, we will call it a 448 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to 449 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team and of 450 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: Sunday Night's big game. It'll all be for you on 451 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot com for West I Am Mike. Thank you 452 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody. Merry Christmas and happy Holidays. We 453 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: will see you next time.