1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Hello podcast fans, and welcome to it could Happen Here, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: a podcast that today is hosted by me, James Down 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: and Mia Wong him here. Hello, Hi, So what we're 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: going to talk about today is situation on the border. 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: We're working on a scripted episode which will take awayle 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: because they always do, and you know, if we want 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: that to be nice and sort of polished for use. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: But I did want to update everyone because I think 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: that what's happening it has a sense of urgency to it, 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: and certainly like some of the mutual aid requests have 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: a real sense of urgency to them, and folks who 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter dot com and sort of noticed that, 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: like in between the ship posts, and I've been down 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: at the US Mexico border for most of the tail 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: end of last week and the start of this week, 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: sort of depicting what's going on there, along with my 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: friend Joe Joe Ariyama's who's a freelancer who we're going 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: to be working with on the scripted series. And people 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: can find Joe at Joe or Ori photo on Twitter. 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Joe's got some really good photos if you want to 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: see kind of what's going on. But the longer than 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: the short of it is that Title forty two ended 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: on well, to begin with, exactly the moment that it 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: ended was a subject of some contention. Right, we knew 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: it was going to end on the eleventh of May. 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Title forty two, if folks don't remember, is a emergency 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: public health measure. It's part of the United States Public 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: Health Law, the United States Code Public Health something something. 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: Then allows border patrol to expel people from the United 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: States without giving them their due process, their asylum here. 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: So basically they bounce the straight back to Mexico. Right. 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: This has been in place since March of twenty twenty. 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: We now know that the Trump mistation pressured the CDC, 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: So in theory it was it came through the CDC, right, 35 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the Center for Disease Control under pressure from Drug Administration, 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: direct pressure from from Pence and Stephen Miller. 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: Was yeah, probably this was a Stephen Miller like, yeah, 38 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a primacy special. 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, bubblehead looking racist motherfucker has once again done something terrible. 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: Not that some of his policies, As we'll get onto 41 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: this in descripted episode, the Biden administration has like copy 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: pasted some steep, some straight up Stephen Miller stuff in 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: it in its transit bounds and is absolutely liable for 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word chaos at our 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: border because that plays into this fox to use narrative. 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: There is a a very concerted plan to make people 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: suffer more than it's necessary at our border, and it 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: would have been very easy to avoid this. So title 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: forty two. Basically there are no consequences for cross but 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: it's also very hard to get asylum. The the CBP 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: officer can like spontaneously decide to give you your rights. Basically, 52 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: if you're like, come on, bro, I'm gonna get killed 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: if I go home, then that person can kind of 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: decide to liow you to be processed for asylum, which 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: is what a lot of the Ukrainian folks got. Surprise, surprise, 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: and I feel like we should. 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: We should also mention that under like multiple legal frameworks, 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: you have the right to request asylum. This is this 59 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: is something that supposedly is inviolable, like you have the 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: right as a human being to request asylum in a country. 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Yes, and it doesn't matter where you've been before, and 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you got there, and you don't 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: have to do it at a port of entry. It doesn't 64 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: matter how you enter the country or where you entered 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: the country. Yes, yeah, and yeah, under multiple different international frameworks, 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: you have the right to do this. But the USA 67 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: has been denying that to people for three and a 68 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: bit years, right, three years, Yeah, and something like that. 69 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I also could just want 70 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: to briefly mention this because I feel like there's this 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: way in which people people people will talk about like 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: one border regime and then never connect the dots between 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: this one and the other ones. But like, for example, 74 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: like this is something that happens all over the world. Yes, 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: I mean like part part of like part of this 76 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: sort of like crisis is going on into Dan right 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: now is about like a ship ton of money. But 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: at the end this is actually happened in Libya too. 79 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: Is the Italian government paying the Libyan and sort of 80 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: Sudanese parabilitaries a ship ton of money to like keep 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: refugees like basically like trap to something sit enslave them 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: in camps to keep them from like getting to Italy 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: to try to request asylum. So yeah, this is a yeah, 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: like Fredecks does this, like this this is sort of 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: like a global. 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, terrible regime. The border like industrial complex is every 87 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: bit as bad, if not worse, than the defense industrial complex, 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: so we're more familiar with Like, border policing is something 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: that really came post nine to eleven, right with the 90 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: creation of DHS in the United States, But we have 91 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: exported that shit everywhere. And like our border patrol agents, right, 92 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: CBP has an office in lots of embassies, or like 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: they train Dominican border agents on the border with Haiti, 94 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: for instance, and are trained by our CBP people. CBP 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: agents would deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan. Yeah, this is a 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: global thing. And like where I guess where I am now, 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: where I've been for a while is the place where 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: that all began, right, and where we continue to see 99 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: CBB innovating new and exciting ways to fucking take some 100 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: of the most desperate people in the world and make 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: them suffer and spend a shit ton of money and 102 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: preventing them from accessing their legal right to asylum or 103 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: detaining them while they do it. And so what has 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: happened as so Title forty two was supposed to end 105 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: on the eleventh of May, right that was when the 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: federal COVID emergency ended, so there was no reason for 107 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: it to exist anymore. There wasn't reason for it to 108 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: exist to begin with. 109 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, or any know, I like, don't don't, don't 110 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: think too hard about the fact that like that was 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: the last that was basically the last COVID policy that 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: was still in place. 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there were not vaccine mandates for the people 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: meeting the migrants at the fucking border. 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like this this was this was this was 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: never about public health, like no, you know, I mean, 117 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: and in so far as you can extricate sort of 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: like the sort of imperialist states public health measures from 119 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: social cleansing stuff, which has been happening for generations and generations. 120 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, like this was this was not about that, 121 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: like this, Yeah, this was just an immigration ban. 122 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it became a sort of albatross by an 123 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: administration who didn't want to be hit on border stuff. Right. 124 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: They didn't want to They didn't want to drop it 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: before the midterms. They initially pan to drop it in 126 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: December twenty twenty two, which is obviously right after the midterms. 127 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: They didn't we here we are in May, there was 128 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: a complicated legal challenge, which there always is, and it 129 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: doesn't matter because here we are right and it's supposed 130 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: to drop on the eleventh for me, so we're all thinking, 131 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: right midnight on the tenth of May, we'll be out there. 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: We'll see what goes down. They announced the day before 133 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: that it is dropping on midnight on the eleventh, so 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: they're going to ring every minute out of it. And 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: so in the days before, a number of migrants have 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: told me that they understood that they basically had to 137 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: get across before the end of Title forty two because 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: it was their understanding that if they crossed under Title eight, 139 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: they would be ejected and they wouldn't be allowed to 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: return for five years and they would face felony charges. 141 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: So they did this. I don't quite know often these 142 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: this information spreads about like WhatsApp in camps, right, or 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: sort of like a game of telephone in camps. So 144 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't quite know where this information came from, but 145 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: it closely parallels something that mayorcus is as Secretary of 146 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Home lanun Security said in the press conference where he 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: mischaracterized internationally Greac law. And he's done this multiple times, right, 148 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: he himself someone who is a migrant to this country 149 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: who apparently family left Cuba when he was one year old, 150 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: has just some of the most dog shit statements on 151 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: the record, and I've depicted some of those in the 152 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: scripted episode. Folks can look up my piece I wrote 153 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: for NBC a couple of years ago about the Biden 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: administration's policy towards Haiti if they they want to see 155 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: more of the dog shit stuff that he and Biden 156 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: have said. So in the days before the end of 157 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Title forty two, a lot of folks started to try 158 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: to cross right because of this information that they had. 159 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: They ended up at least where I am, which is 160 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: in southern California, right the sort of extreme southwestern border 161 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: in the United States, literally the end of the wall. 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: Folks were crossing like around the end of the wall 163 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: right at low tide and turning themselves into border patrol 164 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: asking to make their case for their right Twist Island. 165 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes when we think about migrants, you know, 166 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: we made me think about people from South America or 167 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: Central America, every single continent. I don't maybe not any 168 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: like Australasians, but like just in it. In a day 169 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: at one camp, I spoke to someone from Angola. I 170 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: spoke to someone from Congo. I spoke to someone from Sudan. 171 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: I spoke to a Kurdish guy. I spoke to people 172 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: certainly from all over South America, Russians, Tagik people, Jamaican people, 173 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: and like. For instance, just to give you a sense 174 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: of like how global it is, I spoke to a 175 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: Jamaican lady who is caring for a sixteen or seventeen 176 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: year old pair of Tagik siblings who didn't speak any 177 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: of the relevant languages for communication with border patroller with 178 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: other people in the camp, so she would use her 179 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: phone to call their mother, who spoke some English, give 180 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: information to the mother who would translated back to these 181 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: two young children. And all of these people had presented 182 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: like there were a lot of afgun people too. I 183 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: probably could have mentioned that up top, But like, these 184 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: are the people who we fucking abandoned once and now 185 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: we're trapping, trapping them in between little fences. And it's 186 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: hot in the day, right Like I slept out in 187 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: the desert last night and it was above one hundred. 188 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: It's not that hot in San Diego, but in he 189 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: cumber where they're also holding people, it's absolutely getting into 190 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: triple digits every day, and it's cold at night, and 191 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: it's a really inhospitable environment for people. So folks were 192 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: held there, you know, up to a week in some 193 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: cases and are now I think being processed by a 194 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: border patrol. There was a ruling by a Florida judge. 195 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly clear on when because I was down 196 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: at the border and my phone didn't work very well, 197 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: but at some point right before Title forty two drop 198 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: that they could have been released on humanitarian parole, which 199 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: means in theory, they have to be released with a 200 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: court date, right with a court date to a their 201 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: asylum hearing, which will slow down the process of releasing them, 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: right And so I've heard of court dates. I've heard 203 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: of folks being released already kind of with court dates 204 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, which this whole thing has just 205 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: been like a disaster in terms of the federal response, 206 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: right like, and in just the cruelest possible way. It was. 207 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Everyone could see this coming, right that there will be 208 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: more people trying to cross. There are sixteen thousand people 209 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: give or take in Tijuana alone, right, So it's just 210 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: across from where I live. Waiting to come to the 211 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: United States because they've been denied that right for three years, 212 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: because they need somewhere safe to go, and because they're 213 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: not safe there. And the best estimate we got for 214 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: how many they could process from border patrol was two 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: hundred a day at the Tijuana porta ventry or Sannysedra 216 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: port of entry. Really, but we don't know. There's no 217 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: clear I don't know how many people they're processing every day, right, 218 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: but these people who do come in now have to 219 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: have a hearing date before they can be released when 220 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: if they get through. So I spoke to a young 221 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: man and his son who I spoken to at the border, 222 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: and he had been released into the United States where 223 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: a charity in San Diego will provide him with two 224 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: nights what like two nights of accommodation, right, and then 225 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: it can't quite work out what then, like he's out 226 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: on his own, you know, Like I guess we'll find 227 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: out tonight. But he has to find a sponsor. I 228 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: don't quite understand how he was released without a sponsor, 229 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: but it seems like the system is kind of bungling 230 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: things up, and these folks have to fund their own 231 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: flights to wherever it is a sponsor is right, So 232 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: they have family or community, they're having to work out 233 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: how to get to that family and community, so be 234 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: they're the greyhound or a plane or a train. So 235 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: it's all in all a giant classifuck with very human consequences. 236 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Like I can't stress enough how like every possible demographic 237 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: has represented old people, little tiny children, right, Like I 238 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: was talking to a little Afghan girl, not really talking 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: to we don't share any languages, but I was more 240 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: just like making funny faces for a while and sort 241 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: of pointing at things, and like it just breaks my 242 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: heart that there are little children who like especially you know, 243 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: she's a little girl. She's in Afghanistan. We told her 244 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: shit ton of lies about Afghan women to justify twenty 245 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: years of killing people and of certain people making money 246 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: from killing people, and like this was supposedly they're like 247 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: canard was that this was for Afghan girls and women, right, 248 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: And here's an Afghan girl sleeping in the fucking dirt, 249 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: like twenty twenty minutes from where I live. And I 250 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: can't even give this kid like hot meal because I 251 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: can't fit it through the bars of the fence. Like 252 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Everything that goes across to these people has to go 253 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: through the bars of the fence. Right, So someone worked 254 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: out that pizza pizza could fit through because flat right, 255 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: people have been getting pizza. But other than that, they're 256 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: getting you know, bottles of water, granola bars, you know 257 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: things that fit through a fence, beef jerky. And they've 258 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: been there for days in some cases. And that's a 259 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: camp that's relatively accessible, right, I can pull off the interstate, 260 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: drive down a dirt road and be there in like 261 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I say, twenty minutes. The camps are less accessible. We've 262 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: heard the conditions are much worse. A couple of Jamaican 263 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: guys told me that there was another camp that we 264 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: weren't we tried to get access to, weren't able to 265 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: get access to, that was further west from where we were, 266 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: where people were hungry they're getting. This is all just 267 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: from that source. I have reached out a border patrol, 268 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: but as of today, they haven't got back to me, 269 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: saying that they were getting a bottle of water and 270 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: a granola bar every day, and that like some of 271 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: these other folks had taken it upon themselves to like 272 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: walk over there to try and get them food, right, 273 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: people who are already not in the great situation themselves, 274 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and they kept asking why couldn't we go there, why 275 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: couldn't we help them? Like it was very admirable right 276 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: to see folks who are in a pretty bad way 277 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: be like, hey, these people need help more than we do. So, yeah, 278 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: that's a situation. I think we should take a break 279 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: for advertising then sorry, I h hopefully not for a 280 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: drone or some shit. All right, we're back and this 281 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: is another happy and exciting episode in which I tell 282 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: you things that will brighten your day. So something I 283 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about because I think it's important is 284 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: the mutual aid response to this, and it's been really 285 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: really impressive. You know, I live in a place where 286 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: the Democrats are absolute dog shit. Well we'll do. It's America, right, 287 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: but like just the particularly cringe like cast real liberalism 288 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: of San Diego Democrats is like as always on display. Right. 289 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I saw one of them tweeting today about how CBA, 290 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: DHS and CBP are doing a great job and keeping 291 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: us safe, and like, my like makes me want to 292 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: say things I shouldn't say on the podcast, I guess. 293 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: But what that means is that like our government isn't 294 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: going to do shit, right, Like it is entirely on 295 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: us to look after each other. And people have done that. 296 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: The groups like American Friends Service Committee, which is a 297 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: great organization which has really good stuff on the border, 298 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: have been down there every single day, right, Like there 299 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: have been days when I've left at one am there's 300 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: still someone there. They've been giving people water, giving people food. 301 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: A huge need that people have is to charge their phones. 302 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: And the way that migrants interact with CBP, at least 303 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: in theory, the way you get an asylum appointment is 304 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: booking it through an app called CBP one. We've talked 305 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: about this on the podcast before, but CBP one is terrible. 306 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: It is a terrible app that doesn't work. And that's 307 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: for people who have phones and Wi Fi. Right, if 308 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: you are stuck in between two fences and a dusty 309 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: piece of ground, how the hell are you supposed to 310 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: charge your phone? You don't have Wi Fi, right, you 311 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: may not have a data plan that works in that area. 312 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: So a huge unmet need was charging charging phone. So 313 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: we were able to get some donations from the team 314 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: and buy a big charger. Other folks turned up with 315 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: charges even all the news see to include like like 316 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: Fox National weren't there, which is a good thing, but 317 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: like and we could talk about that actually as well. 318 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: My goods will specifically ask which news network you're with, 319 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: which I think is that? I think that's good. I 320 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: think it's good. They tell Fox News to fuck off, 321 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, someone who participates in your dehumanization doesn't also 322 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: deserve to make money from your trauma. And so every 323 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: news network that was there, right, all the local folks 324 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: from San Diego were just constantly shuttling back and forth 325 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: to their vans, charging phones constantly, constantly, constantly, and it 326 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: became a bit of a cluster because obviously there's literally 327 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: just hundreds of people in this small area, dozens of 328 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: hands reaching to a defense. Charge my phone, Can I 329 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: have my phone back? Charge my phone? And in the 330 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: English and Spanish and French and command Gy and Vietnamese 331 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: and all these other languages, right, So it was very 332 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: hard to organize that. So folks came down, Folks from 333 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: San Diego from different sort of mutual aid groups came 334 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: down and they organized a system. Right, They got Painter's tape, 335 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: wh the names of the people on the back of 336 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the phone. We had this huge ash battery that we 337 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: were able to get and that they were able to 338 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: charge people's phones, get them their phones back to them. 339 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: And that is a crucial thing, right that in that scenario, 340 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: not only is it your only way to communicate with 341 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: border patrol, it's your only way to communicate with your family. Right. 342 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: Like one guy had lost his phone, and so I 343 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: just bought him a burner phone or you know, one 344 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: of those Walmart phones so that he could call his 345 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: family because the family didn't know where he was. Right 346 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: last they'd heard he was in Mexico or maybe even 347 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: further south. So the phones are super important. Other mutual 348 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: aid groups have been getting blankets, right. I saw an 349 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Afghan family turn up and had they had crayons for 350 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: the Afghan kids who were there, right, and like coloring 351 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: books and things for children to do, because it's probably 352 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: boring being a kid, and it's probably being a kid 353 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: where like every day men with guns and camouflage gear 354 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: turn up and they speak a language you don't understand, 355 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: and then you don't know what they say, and then 356 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you stay there. 357 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to kind of just there are 358 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: lots of things that could get called camps that are 359 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: like not camps, right, Like this is like this this 360 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: is not a camp in the sense of like there 361 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: are buildings that you go into or even like there 362 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: are tents. It's just like oh yeah, no, yeah, I 363 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: think that's. 364 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: A very good I think that I haven't mentioned. Thank you. Yes, 365 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: this is people lying on the dirt. Occasionally they have 366 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: a mylass space blanket. Occasionally they have a top. If 367 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: they want to make any form of shelter, they have 368 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: to use the only thing they have to use is 369 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: the wall itself, right, so up against the wall, people 370 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: have made like a lean to kind of situation with 371 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: the top, right, But no, this is by no means 372 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: suitable shelter. Literally, people are lying on the dirt like. 373 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: It's just a cage, like in a desert. Like it's yeah, 374 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's it's the kind of 375 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: thing that like, like you, it's the kind of thing 376 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: you would put it in a park list movement. People 377 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: would be like, oh, no, one would ever do that. 378 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: She's like no, no, Like this is just sort of yeah, 379 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: this is what US border policy is. 380 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: It's these like just these open air cages. Yeah, it's 381 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: you wouldn't. Like, you know, I go to the zoo 382 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: in San Diego and the animals have much better conditions 383 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: than that. There's no running water. There was one porterloo 384 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: toilet for five hundred people. Yeah, it's terrible. It is awful. 385 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: It's little. It's people wrapping their babies in my love 386 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: blankets and trying to get them to sleep at night, 387 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: you know. And that's the same. It's several places up 388 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: and down the border, right, they're starting to clear them 389 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: out now, and so sort of Tuesday, Monday. So some 390 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: people got there a week ago, I think, and they've 391 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: been stay there for a long time. And yeah, like 392 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: it's at no point does there seem to have been 393 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: any consideration for even giving people shade or shelter or like, yeah, 394 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: the very basics, and like I should reinforce it. In 395 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, when Trump blocked a large group of migrants 396 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: from entering in the United States, the government of Mexico 397 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: did considerably better than this. It was by no means 398 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: a good situation for those children at all, but they 399 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: did better than this, which it's a bitterly extremely low 400 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: bart clear, but we have failed to clear it completely 401 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: as a country and that's kind of to our eternal shame, 402 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: I think. 403 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think and everything worth emphasizing about this 404 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: is that it hasn't always been like this. There's there's 405 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: this sort of image that's been instructed that this is 406 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: always what the US border has been. It's no, I mean, 407 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: it's not like it's not like American border policy has 408 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: always been like good. But I mean, like in my lifetime, 409 00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: it wasn't like this. 410 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: In the mid nineties there were four thousand border patrol agents. Yeah, 411 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: it's increased by a factor of ten, and its budget 412 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: probably by more than that. 413 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, the consequences of this is just 414 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: basically in order to appease a bunch of just sort 415 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: of like fucking like turbo racist baked dipshits like who 416 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: live in the suburbs and you know, have never have 417 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: like never experienced a single hardship in their entire lives, 418 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: Like fucking untold numbers of people are put through just 419 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: inhuman suffering and for fucking nothing, just just like for 420 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: for nothing, for like just dog shit electoral pandering. 421 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, by people who have never seen what goes on 422 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: at the border. They've never experienced where these people come from. 423 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's they're just numbers to people in DC, right, 424 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: And I would really urge people to not read immigration coverage, 425 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: or watch immigration coverage, or listen to immigration coverage. It 426 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: isn't written by people at the border, because this isn't 427 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: a fucking issue about numbers. Every single one of those 428 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: numbers is a person who has people they love and 429 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: things that they've done and choices that they've made that 430 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: got them there, And every single one of them is 431 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: someone who deserves compassion and empathy. And it's not just 432 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: another you know, like a number in an Excel chart, 433 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: which is how it's treated. And yeah, it hasn't always 434 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: been this way. This is a very recent innovation and 435 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: it's I mean we've talked about this before as well, 436 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: but right, this is the proving ground for state surveillance, 437 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: state violence, fascism, all these things. 438 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: Right. 439 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: The reason that you got surveiled by a drone if 440 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: you went to a George Floyd protest in Minneapolis is 441 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: because the Border Patrol already had one. The reason that 442 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: cops listened into your phone if you went to some 443 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: protest in twenty twenty is because of Border patrol technology. Right, 444 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: they have these sting rate hours all up and down 445 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: the border, Robert and I have seen them in Mexico, sorry, 446 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: in Texas even yeah, and. 447 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: I mean you know, even even stuff like this, this 448 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: is the sort of recent laws in places like Florida 449 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: and Texas that are you know, let the states steel 450 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: trans kids, right like that. That's also stuff that was 451 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, like the prototype of that came 452 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: from the I mean like it came from the border. 453 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: There's it's also. 454 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: Something that came from sort of like like anti black 455 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: bullshit that like is sort of deeply rooted in like 456 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: American family planning bullshit. But like, yeah, like that that's 457 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: also another one of the places where like that stuff. 458 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Was tested and with indigenous folks, Like we've ripped indigenous 459 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: certain for their families for decades, but yeah, we it's 460 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: a deeply baked white supremacist system that that always does 461 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: its experimenting on marginized people are very often at the border. 462 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you if you're worried about the government 463 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: intercepting your communications with an abortion care provider, that has 464 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: happened because at some point they've been allowed to do 465 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: stuff to migrant that was equally bad, if not worse 466 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: and and like this will hurt you even if you 467 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: are like Kathy the liberal in Minnesota, Like when we 468 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: let the state have these powers, they don't just use 469 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: them benevolently, and that they weren't using them benevolently in 470 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: the first place, like they say, innocent people who've done 471 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. 472 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like that's that's the thing about state 473 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: power is and any any power the state has, inevitably 474 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: they will one day use it on you. And so 475 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: you can't let them take shit like this because you 476 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: know they will. They will turn your entire society into 477 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: a sort of hell garrison state. 478 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just I don't know that the inhumanity 479 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: that your taxes pay for, if you listening to this 480 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: in America, is abhorrent. It's disgusting, and yeah, you should 481 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: do everything you can to stop it. And like this 482 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: probably is one of the instances where like you may 483 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: be able to do something of some value by writing 484 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: to a politician. It's certainly one of the instances where 485 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: if you live near the border, you can show up 486 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: and make a very meaningful difference to someone's whole experience. Right, 487 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: Like myself and Joe were down there when this this 488 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: guy had lost his phone and like, you know, it 489 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: wasn't that expensive to buy this guy a phone. Other like, 490 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: people will remember Mandy and people will remember Alex, who 491 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: are two guests I've had on different San Diego episode 492 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: that they've both been down there. I know Alex gave 493 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: his EpiPen to someone who needed an epipenn, like we 494 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: acutely needed an EpiPen. Like things like that, you can 495 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: maybe save someone's life, maybe just make someone's day a 496 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: little bit less shit. You know, maybe you can let 497 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: a kid kick a football and you'd have to deflate 498 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: the football to get through the defense early. But like 499 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can give a doll to a little 500 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: kid so they can play with it, or something just 501 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: something that will for a moment take them out of 502 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: the utterly miserable place that we forced them into. And 503 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: if folks want to support that, I know I'd posted 504 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: Mandy's cash app and Venmo and I think some people 505 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: very generously did contribute, which is great. If you're not 506 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: at the border. Look at Border Kindness, which is a 507 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: group out of San Diego who I know are doing 508 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: aid runs to Hocumber. I think the Hocumber Hotel Hucumber 509 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: For those not familiar, Jacu Mba, the Hookcumber Hotel was 510 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: housing folks and providing it there a huge amount of 511 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: water and shelter to people. This morning. People can look 512 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: at the American French Service Committee that I wrote about, 513 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: and I know that Joe and myself have shared some 514 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: Amazon wish lists that people have and that kind of thing. 515 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: But it's it's a massive task, but it's not one 516 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: that's like insurmountable. The amount of people I've seen show 517 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: up to include like and you know, I'm not a 518 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: religious person, and I'm not a person who particularly cares 519 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: for organized religion either, but it does make me happy 520 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: when I see like old church ladies in high heels 521 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: with perms coming out like and like giving ordered to children, 522 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: charging phones and seeing I think it's like, certainly, I've 523 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: lived on the border for fifteen years. It's been a 524 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: fundamentally radicalizing experience for me. Like I think you're supposed 525 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to grow old and grow out of your anarchist politics 526 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: or whatever, But I don't know how anyone could live 527 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: here and think that like police state good. It's and 528 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: I think anybody who can get down here should it's 529 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: good for you too, like, and I always think about 530 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: how Oscar Wild has this thing about like how seeing 531 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: people living on the streets like not only under mind 532 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: stare humanity, but also his humanity because like seeing someone 533 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: else suffering should make us feel bad, and so like 534 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: he benefits when he helps someone, and like, you know, 535 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: we're all lifted up, right, Like I I guess one 536 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: of the things I struggle with most of the journalist 537 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: is that, like that like feeling of living in comfort 538 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: while other people can't, especially when it's such like it's 539 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: one thing if I if I go somewhere, right, if 540 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm in Myanmar, and I'm aware that things are difficult, scary, 541 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and then I get on a plane and it takes 542 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: two days when I come back. But just from like 543 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: a personal like mental health perspective, seeing a little child 544 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: sleep in the dirt, right, or someone asked me for 545 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: fucking bin bag so they can keep their baby out 546 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: of the rain, like a trash back or a kid 547 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: without shoes, you know, and then going home to my 548 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: relatively comfortable existence is really hard. And I think we 549 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: should all have to face up to that because it's 550 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: what it's what our government is responsible for and supposedly 551 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: we've got the best fucking option in twenty twenty, right, 552 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: this is the this is this is the good choice 553 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: of the two. But it doesn't make any meaningful difference 554 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: whether you choose Trample Biden to these people, really, because 555 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: they both treat them like shit. 556 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the kids are still in cages. And yes, 557 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: you know, until until until the entire system that enables 558 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: the ship is destroyed and it can be right like, 559 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: and this isn't even this isn't even on the level 560 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: of sort of like you know of sort of anarchist politics, 561 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: right like this none of this ship existed twenty years ago, 562 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: right like this is this is like wow, okay, I 563 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: guess it's twenty four three, twenty five years ago. None 564 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: of this ship existed even within like the framework of 565 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: the nation state, right like, this is not a thing 566 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: that you that we have to do, which we simply do. 567 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Not have to You could share politics with Bill Clinton 568 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: and still. 569 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was better on the fucking border than any 570 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: than any president who has been alive in my fucking lifetime. 571 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Right yeah, fucking Reagan. Dwight Eisenhower would have had serious 572 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: concerns about the industrial complex we're building at the border. 573 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, this is not like this, this, this isn't 574 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: this isn't like a particularly radical political thing, right, It's 575 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: just that we've we've become sort of a nerd to 576 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: this death state that's been built up around us, and 577 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: you know, doesn't it doesn't keep anyone safe. It just 578 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: fucking inflicts untold human misery. So fucking Greg Abbott can 579 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: win an election. 580 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it costs us a lot of money, right, Like, 581 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: your universal healthcare is an unman drone flying over some 582 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: children run across a desert in Arizona right now, Your 583 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: free university education is a border patrol smart camera in 584 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: the desert that goes off every time a fucking deer 585 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: walks past or it rains, like it. This stuff is expensive, 586 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: and like, if you're in the US, you are paying 587 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. I think the most sort of soft 588 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: of liberals can see that this is right. And they 589 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: did see that this shit was wrong in the Trump administration, 590 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: and they do see this is wrong when they come right, 591 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Like I've some of the best mutual aid groups I've 592 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: worked with are like middle aged folks from churches who 593 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: have time and the means to help and just didn't 594 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: realize that. It was like no one was coming and 595 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: we had to do it ourselves. And when they did that, 596 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: they were very effective. And so I would encourage folks 597 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: who are in the border communities near the border, and 598 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: near the border meets a different thing if your border 599 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: patrol because their jurisdiction applies one hundred miles from the border. 600 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: That's the other thing, right, the border will come to you. Yeah, Statistically, 601 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: odds are. 602 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: That you are the border already has come to you. 603 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's yeah. Yeah. Two thirds of people in the 604 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: United States are in the border patrol enforcement zone. 605 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in it, and I'm in like fucking Chicago, 606 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: right well yeah, yeah, I think yes. 607 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: People who would not think of themselves as border as 608 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: well as the border affects you. If you go to 609 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: other communities in your city, you might realize border patroller 610 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: around there. Ice are around there. So yeah, it's it's 611 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: pretty bleak. We're working on some scripted stuff, but I 612 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: want to get into a bit of the history of 613 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: border patrol and rereading Border Patrol Nation, which is a 614 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: great book if people haven't read it, And I want 615 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: the other thing I should say about border reporting is 616 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: if people don't center migrants and they're reporting about migration, 617 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: then you shouldn't be reading that reporting. Like sometimes it 618 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: can be hard. One other thing I guess I do 619 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: want to say is you're seeing my photos, and you'll 620 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: see in Joe's photos, you're not going to see many faces. 621 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: And that's because people have legitimate fears for their wellbeing. 622 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: That's why they are fucking here. Yeah, and not obtaining 623 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: consent before taking photographs is making a terrible situation worse. 624 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: And like that's something that we can work on as 625 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: the media, right, Like something I will continue to call 626 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: out when I see it. But if you don't speak 627 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: the language, find someone who does that, don't take the 628 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: goddamn photo. You'll see some faces the mind. Like I 629 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: like to pass my camera through the fence and give 630 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: it to like teenage kids so they can run around 631 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: and take photos and have fun. And so when they 632 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: take like goofy selfies, I'll post those. They get concerned 633 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: from them or their parents, and their parents are around, 634 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: and that's fine. But yeah, when you're looking at border coverage, 635 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: always understand that the people and if we don't tend 636 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: to those people and their stories, then we're doing it wrong. 637 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: If you can physically get to these places, like you should, 638 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 2: like the the the this is this is one of 639 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: the like the situations where like the amount of good 640 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: that like a very small number of people could do 641 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: is enormous and the cost is not that high. 642 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: No, but for instance, I saw some of my friends 643 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: had just gone to Costco, right and just loaded up 644 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: one of those big Costco trolleys, and like that. That 645 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: makes a meaningful difference to hundreds of people, And so 646 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: you should. There will probably be mutual aid networks on 647 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: the ground at almost every border area by now. Reach 648 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: out to them, see if they need your money. If 649 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: you can get there and help organize, that's better. If 650 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: you have right, if you have language skills yours. There 651 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: are people I met a guy who spoke Commanji, like 652 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: the Kurdish dialect of North and East Syria, right, people 653 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: who speak a Vietnamese almost every language you can conceive of. Right, 654 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: Those people really struggle to get information and they just 655 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: can't talk to anyone because there's no one else to 656 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: talk to and their phone, you know, the phone charges 657 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: is a precious commodity and it's cost a lot of 658 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: money to dial into Nashley, so those people could just 659 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: be lonely. So if you have those language skills, go. 660 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: Someone broke their finger in San die you are getting 661 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: cushed up against the fence. You know there was a 662 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: medic there to help them. If there hadn't been, that 663 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: could have been worse for them. And sometimes the ambulance 664 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: can come in and take people out. But there are valuable, 665 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: meaningful things that you could do if you have the time, 666 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: if not, if you have the money, there are really 667 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: important places to donate. And those are just a couple 668 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: of them. Will highlight a couple more as we go forward. Oh, 669 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: one more thing I did want to plug is miles 670 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: for migrants, where if you have if you don't have money, 671 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: but you do have airline miles. Like I was speaking 672 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: to this guy today who got across. He has two 673 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: days and he has to get himself in New York 674 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: where he has family. I don't have the means to 675 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: buy four airline tickets or I would, but if you 676 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: have air miles and you want to donate them, you can. 677 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then this is the thing, like you know, 678 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 2: like I have family who for example, like work at 679 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: Hong Kong, right, and they have like you know, and 680 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: then they're they're like there are people like that who 681 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: could are like, you know, not radicals, but are sort 682 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 2: of you know, like. 683 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: You like like there are people. 684 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: In this world who have a shit ton of miles 685 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 2: like built up because you know, for like work or 686 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 2: some shit, right that's just sitting there, and that that's 687 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: something that you know, like you can you can like 688 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: like you. 689 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: You may not have it. You might know people who do. Yeah, yeah, 690 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: you might know someone who does a weird credit card 691 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: flipping thing, you know, where they like get air miles 692 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: in and make it that whole lick personality to to 693 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: get miles. But like whatever, if those people can help, 694 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: you don't need to turn them into like Macnavists overnight. 695 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: Like nobody wants to see a little baby sleep in 696 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: the dirt, and anybody who could be there physically would 697 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: be appalled by it. And I think if you can 698 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: convey to those folks that now at the time when 699 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: something that costs them nothing materially, right, Like I know 700 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: tons of people have more miles that they can use 701 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: because they fly at the time for work. You don't 702 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: want to fly when you're done flying, you want to 703 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: stay at home. So that's another way that people can help. 704 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, just I guess it's it's a crisis that 705 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: will continue unabated because the cruelty is the point, and 706 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: it's for once. Like you know, we can't stop all 707 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: the climate change and all this bad shit, but this 708 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: is something that it is within our power to a bet. 709 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: We can't. We can't make it go away yet. But 710 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: like we spoke to the people who are doing water 711 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: drops on the border, there are meaningful things every single 712 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 1: one of us can do to help. 713 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, go into the world. Do not let the violence 714 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 2: done in our name be who we are. 715 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, people get better than this. 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