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Speaker 3: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack

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Speaker 3: and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find

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Speaker 3: the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode,

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Speaker 3: we are covering Dolphins versus Chargers in the barn Burner

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Speaker 3: Week two match in twenty seventeen, with one of the

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Speaker 3: greatest tight ends of all time. Haul of famer and

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Speaker 3: Flash Kent State alum in Tonio Gates and we get

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Speaker 3: to talk in passing Tony Gonzalez in touchdowns in this game.

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Speaker 3: That's why you picked this game.

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Speaker 2: I passed X Y and Z. I remember playing with

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Speaker 2: those dudes on a video game. I thought that was

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Speaker 3: What it's like to play in the Elite eight.

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Speaker 2: We were so happy to be in the tournament, and

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Speaker 2: now I look back, it's the best time in my life.

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Speaker 3: And making the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: They don't really sink in like you would think, because

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Speaker 2: it's your life, right, you live in it.

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Speaker 3: And then we get into reading uh oh, the YouTube

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Speaker 3: comments and Apple reviews Spotify on this week's Chill Zone

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Speaker 3: presented by Corps Light. Very exciting. You gotta stick around

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Speaker 3: to the very end. Let's go games with names of

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Speaker 3: production of iHeartRadio. September seventeenth, twenty seventeen, Carson, California, stub

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Speaker 2: A Hooper from Detroit. It's about to make NFL history.

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Speaker 3: Second and goal Rivers drops back. He finds Gates in

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Speaker 3: the back of the end zone. This is the breaking

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Speaker 3: through the Gates game game, my man. Today we are

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Speaker 3: looking at Dolphins versus Chargers, Week two of the twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen season with Antonio Gates Hall of Famer, Intonio Gates,

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Speaker 3: Hall of famer that never played college football. Intonio Gates,

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, never played college football. But I went

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Speaker 3: the Lead eight, and they were talking about it for

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Speaker 3: the whole existence of my career there Intonio Gates, Welcome

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Speaker 3: to the nuthouse. In one sentence, why this game?

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Speaker 2: I guess it was a home game because we played it,

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Speaker 2: Well record, the NFL touchdown record, NFL.

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Speaker 3: The touchdown record for tight end Peaches and Cream one twelve.

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Speaker 3: Is this the greatest game of all time?

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Speaker 1: I think? Right, You're right.

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Speaker 2: I think the form an emotion standpoint, it was because

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Speaker 3: Well, fucking congratulations in the Hall of Fame. That means

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Speaker 3: You go to Michigan State for football and basketball and

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Speaker 1: Funny story. I get to Kent State, right, and you

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Speaker 1: Then look at this dude. Man, he got sweated on

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Speaker 2: The way they were act, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: We were like and I'm like, these are good human beings,

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Speaker 2: We always think the football players was jealous. So that's

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Speaker 2: But when you get out there, it changes the dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Every time you're gonna we're gonna pay the fact that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same way, man. That's just what we did to

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm looking at that. That's crazy.

434
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 3: What comes up to your mind when you see these games?

435
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: What's the first thing? What game comes?

436
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: It's just you know, think, I think about the camaraderie

437
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: that we had. You know, I don't see a game.

438
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: I see the people that was in my space at

439
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 2: that time. I think about, damn, man, this this is

440
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 2: what it happens when you got the right group of

441
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: people that's with the right idea right and the right focus.

442
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 1: We were so we were having so much fun together, man.

443
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: You know, even like when we got to around two Alabama,

444
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: like all practice was like so fun. We were so

445
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 2: happy to be in the tournament. So we were like

446
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: just enjoying the moment. And now I look back, and

447
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, what's the best time in my life?

448
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: That was probably the spark other than going into the

449
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Now, that was the spark of my

450
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: athletic career up until this point.

451
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: That just happened.

452
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 3: Man, I'm looking at your touch, Yeah, making me touched.

453
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 3: I feel like, got a little hair on the back

454
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: of my back, hanging up. Who is? I was watching

455
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 3: some little I was watching this documentary on you. It

456
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 3: was like back in the day or something. It was

457
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: like old and who you played against? Harrington? That's my

458
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,239
Speaker 3: guy and you you kind of punked him.

459
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the number one playing the country coming out,

460
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: they came punk hardon that. I wouldn't say that, you know. Yeah,

461
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: it was just that the fact, you know he answer, yeah, right,

462
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: that's my man. Though I still see how you know,

463
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: periodically he lived out here. He moved to Texas, I think,

464
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, he he was the number one

465
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: playing in the country.

466
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: So I'm like, dude, this dude ain't man, what's if

467
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: he number one? What am I? You know what I'm saying.

468
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: But that was just the I grew up watching the

469
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Bad Boys, Isaiah Thomas Beer, Rick Mahorn, Dumar Venezine. So

470
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 2: our whole philosophy is that we're coming in. Yeah, we're

471
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: coming in to see if you, you know, got some

472
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: some toughness about you, because you know, when you watch

473
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: the game, when you sports in general, we don't we

474
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: can take any sports. When you watch people play, people

475
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: can jump and they can run, but it's when the

476
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: wheel is tested, is when the real true character come

477
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: out and you have that. I've watched you playing playoffs

478
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: and I said that, mother fuck you right there with

479
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: the k dog. That's he tough. That's all I'm saying.

480
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: I've watched it so and you know, because you can't

481
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: see it until you see to you around and you

482
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: see it because you go seven on seven and you

483
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: do all this. And that's kind of what I was

484
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: trying to get out of al. You know, you hear

485
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: about these guys all the time. You know, Rashan Lewis

486
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: was one of the guys too, And uh, you get

487
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 2: in there and I remember playing and we practicing. Uh

488
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: we had a guy named Lloyd Price and people don't

489
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: even know who that was. And to me, he was

490
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: the best player in the because when you get there

491
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: and you playing them, now the essence of the people changes, right,

492
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 2: So you're like, let me see what this guy about. Man,

493
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: some guys can just jump shooting. They six y nine.

494
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: Al Hamilton was a dog. Rashan Lewis was one two.

495
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: They were like, I say, d a double G dog. Yeah,

496
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: we're is this in?

497
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 3: This is in? Where's where's this game at?

498
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: This was in Michigan.

499
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: So all American game, round ball game, All American game

500
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: was played at the Palace. I think at the Arbor Hills.

501
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: It was in the Pistons, I want to say it

502
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: was still the Palace. Yeah. And I'm local, local, I'm home.

503
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: I'm home, so I'm st at the best player in

504
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: the state. Right, So I'm at home and I'm like family, friends, teammates, school,

505
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, teachers, principal.

506
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: Everybody, every people, everybody, the whole blocks there, the whole

507
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: blocks there.

508
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of sports, man because sometimes unity, Man,

509
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: you're carrying more than just you.

510
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying.

511
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: You You just you is your name, but it's you

512
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: represent so much more, man, it's.

513
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: Everyone who helped you get there. Yeah, is a part

514
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: of your.

515
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: People believe in you and you you'd be surprised how

516
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: it has an impact on some Man. We had we

517
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: a situation where we were winning and people were literally

518
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: coming together who didn't like each other because the nephew

519
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: or the cousin was on the team. Like anything sports,

520
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: that's what they do and that's the beauty of it.

521
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: Man.

522
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: They bring people together, which we need.

523
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: Not of left field question. So you were in Detroit

524
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: in the nineties. I know you're basketball football guy, but

525
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: the Red Wings were killing it.

526
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Red red Wings is the hockey guy. Yeah, Red

527
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Wings is. I mean, I met Steve iris Man. We was.

528
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Red Wings is the number one

529
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: team in Michigan. That's just what they did they know about.

530
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm not a hockey guy, but you I mean, but

531
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: they were always winning. So I'm ad, I'm a bandwagon

532
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: type of guy. I'm like, they were always winning. You

533
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: cannot know the Red Wind Yeah, you cannot know the

534
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: toughness that we bring. You come there, We're gonna we

535
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: go see what you're But that's that's what I'm saying.

536
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: That was a foundation of me growing up. Everything was

537
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: about as they will are they tough, And it's not

538
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: in a disrespectful way. It's in a competitive way, like

539
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: we're just trying. We don't mean no how when we leave, dude,

540
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: we you know, we got families and stuff we ain't

541
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: you know. But in the sports world, as a competitor,

542
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: we gonna feel we're gonna make sure that you you know,

543
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: running and jumping is we can get a dog to

544
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: do that. You know what I'm saying, You can get

545
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: a dog to do that. That's why you win championships

546
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: because the third and eight and eighty one hundred thousand

547
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: people screaming and you bleed your elbow scraped and cut

548
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: and bleeding the wheel that you got. You can't test

549
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: that on seven on seven. Coaches can't give you that.

550
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: They can call what play they want to call. It

551
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: don't matter your will to want to make that play.

552
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: The will of Tom Brady won't never reach out to

553
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: you and give it to you. That's saying that he

554
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: trusts you because he knows if I'm gonna throw the

555
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: ball to somebody, I need to him sob to make

556
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: the play. And that's the only thing I can see

557
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: about you from a distance because I never met you,

558
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: and I was able to say, take my money always

559
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: making these big plays on third down, you know, and

560
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: that's what that was my thing too, So I'm able

561
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: to identify with him, like, okay, he went to kids

562
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: stay really okay? Yeah right, So I was always rooting

563
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: for you, believe or not, bro, because I knew you

564
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: went the kid you know. So I was always like,

565
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: we did me once. That's why I can't remember once Tonyo.

566
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: See, I don't even know what to call you. What

567
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: are the boys call you?

568
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Agg I asked to everything with old.

569
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Gig, old school.

570
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Now when I was yeah, yeah, toe, they called me everything. Man,

571
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: I just answer to everything. I could be anywhere. Somebody

572
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: say any one of those, I look up, like, hey,

573
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: what was up?

574
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: I did meet you once though, I was in twenty thirteen.

575
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: We came out and we played you guys, okay in

576
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: on Sunday night football. You guys from the Powder Blues.

577
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: You guys were in the Powder Blues. You were in

578
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: Tonio fucking Gates already at that time in my career,

579
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: and I was just coming up. I was just dipping

580
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: my toe into success. I was just starting to catch

581
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of balls. I was like on the grind.

582
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: This was fourteen, I think, and we go and I

583
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: had a big ass game. I had like a sixty

584
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: nine yard touchdown. I had like one hundred and thirty

585
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: or something. And I saw you after the game. You

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: had like these cool ass fucking ray bands on. You

587
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: had a sick ass It wasn't a lot of chain,

588
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: but it was a fucking sick chain.

589
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

590
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: And you had some kind of cool shirt on. And

591
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: I came up and I was like, yo, man, can't

592
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: state And and you were in a zone, different zone.

593
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: You were leaving and you're like, man, go flashes and

594
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: you get one of that and you said I respect you, man,

595
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: and you walked off. I was like a little kid

596
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: in the candies. I'm like, oh, ship Toyo Gates.

597
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: I was for sure. Yeah.

598
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: But and then and then and and I tell that

599
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: story and people were like, what time? It was a

600
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: night game. He was wearing sunglasses. I go, when you're cool,

601
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: it's always fucking sunny, kay, todo wear sunglasses that night?

602
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: He could wear sunglasses. You were so cool, calm and

603
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: collect give you a little something. It dipped out. It

604
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: was sick.

605
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: Sounds like me, that's that's sure.

606
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to get into this talk. You got Harrington,

607
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: this game that we're about to jump into you over

608
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: turn you passed uh Tony Gonzalez who was also a

609
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: hooper at col Can you beat them one on one?

610
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: And what all? Yeah? We were different kind of players

611
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: one on one right now?

612
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah in primes if we had AI where we could prime.

613
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: You up quick story.

614
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: Right.

615
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: So we was in Pro Bowl together and we were

616
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: supposed to play one on one. It was set up.

617
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: He showed up in flip flops. He showed up. Yeah,

618
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: we know you don't have that. That's that bird. He's

619
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: a different kind of player though.

620
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

621
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: I love but you.

622
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Know, the players, we know, anybody else be just it's

623
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: the media is one thing, and the instrument of what

624
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: everybody's saying from a social standpoint is one the players.

625
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: We know. You know what I'm saying. I know you

626
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I was a score so it

627
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: didn't make sense I average twin points. He was a

628
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: rebounder like finisher, slash or type of player, which I'm

629
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: not discrediting that. I was the guy you had to

630
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: stop to win. It's very simple. Don't get no circle.

631
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: You stop this, dude, You're gonna win. You know what

632
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying, it wasn't like you got in here. He

633
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: can go laugh and he good good. That wouldn't my

634
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: Scott report g A. T E s circle that we

635
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: stop him, we win the game against Kent State. It

636
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: is very simple. That ain't what different players? You know

637
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I don't want to orange and apples.

638
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: You can't really you know what I'm saying. You can't

639
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: do it.

640
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it was only appropriate for this.

641
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just with different players.

642
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: When people ask me all the time, I said, I said,

643
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Antonio Gates, man, yeah different, We're different players. Man, I know,

644
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: but I just I say that. Who about There was

645
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: that big argument recently that football players and basketball players,

646
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: Which what's your take on that?

647
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know who.

648
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: What what the football players that you play with you

649
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: think that could hoop? And what basketball players you play

650
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: with think that or in the league that could play ball?

651
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: I think.

652
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Good is good, Tough is tough. You can go play

653
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: on the court.

654
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: I can't play in the court, but you can't.

655
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, can go play football, That's what I'm saying.

656
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: Because he's tough. This is what I'm saying. If you

657
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: give me a tough athlete. He's going to prevail because

658
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: he's a competitor. That's just what it is. I got

659
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: guys in the football league in the NFL on my

660
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: team that's phenomenal athletes, but they're not tough. I got

661
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: guys in basketball that's phenomenal athletes, and they're not tough.

662
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: And you do what you do with those guys who

663
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: are not tough. You put them in places to excel.

664
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Tough dudes. You ain't got to do that. They're going

665
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: to You can put him in the game. Simple, put

666
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: him in the game. He got to be out there somewhere,

667
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: slot x z F wherever. Get him in the game.

668
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: He's going to excel. Some guys. You gotta, hey, we

669
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: gotta draw this playoff for him. Man, he ain't gonna

670
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: gotta get him going. We gotta get him going. Let's

671
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: run this deep over right. We gotta get him.

672
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's how it is

673
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: in basketball.

674
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: Some guys, you gotta run screens for get him off,

675
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: two screens underneath, get him with a couple of threes.

676
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Get him going.

677
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: They can't guard you, bro, I'm telling you, you got

678
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: to tell him they can't guard you. Some guys you

679
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: plat him play and he gonna know this dude can't

680
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: guard me. He's going to dominate the game from the

681
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: get go. And I think that's the difference. It's like,

682
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: the best ones are the ones that can do both.

683
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: They are physically athletic and they're tough. Those are the

684
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: ones that excel at the highest level. Then you got

685
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: ones that can excel, and then every now and then

686
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: you feel like, you know, a little forking roll comes

687
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: up because they can't they're not as tough.

688
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: And we've had that.

689
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: We have receivers that when you watch them, you're like,

690
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: this is crazy. But you start jamming them, they start hitting,

691
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, you know now, yeah he started, he started,

692
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: he stopped running towards the ball a little bit. His

693
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: arms get a little short. We called him alligator arms,

694
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: all right, So all of a sudden, he ain't catching

695
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: the past, he ain't going across the judge it right.

696
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: But all the tough ones are the tough ones. All

697
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: the good ones are the good ones. So the comparison,

698
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: it is like, because we grew up playing everything I did,

699
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: at least, you know, my generation in the eighties and nineties.

700
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: We grew up playing everything. You know, we were tough

701
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: on football field, I was. I was a competitor there.

702
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: I was a competitor on the court.

703
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: I was a competitor in two square, four square, Domino's space,

704
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: and you know what I'm saying, jump rope, we start,

705
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: double dude, we jump rope, and I'm trying to win

706
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: double Dutch, Double Dutch.

707
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: So that's all I'm saying.

708
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: So the competitors is, you know, essentially, it's who excels

709
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: and everything you do, the tough competitors because they compete,

710
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. When you got there, I'm

711
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: sure you probably thinking like, damn, this dude can run.

712
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: He's six or five that can run. But when you

713
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: play the game, they don't play like you. Right now,

714
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: they are like, okay with Julian, come starting. Matter of fact,

715
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: you beat a guy for us because we can depend on.

716
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: And that's how I end up playing. I was just competing.

717
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: I remember getting rag Dog and like nine on seven

718
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: inside runs and I remember just holding on. I'm like, dude,

719
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: I just throw me any kind of way. So I

720
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: started off in the run game. But they were just

721
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: watching me as a basketball player compete. I wasn't like

722
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: dominating dominating, but I was like, dude, you ain't just

723
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: throw me around. That ain't gonna happen. Yeah, I'm like,

724
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: when he was stronger than me, I said, okay, d

725
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: he's stronger than me, right, let me get in. I

726
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: gotta get I gotta be quicker. I gotta give up

727
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: the ball quick. I gotta get there. I gotta get

728
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: inside quicker. Right. So if he's strong quick, I'm like, okay, oh,

729
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: you probably got to run out of the way. Let

730
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: me do this, let me switch it up on him,

731
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So we making the necessary

732
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: adjustments and we compete. Man, I'm just a competitor.

733
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: That It's just it.

734
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: You're a competitor. I'm a competitor. So whatever it was,

735
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: even in this space, now your competitor right, got me here, right,

736
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. You just competing, man, It's

737
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: just life.

738
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: So what I took from that football players would compete

740
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: the ship out of basketball players.

741
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I ain't gonna say that their competitors. You know,

742
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: all the obvisers of the world who played.

743
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying.

744
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: All obvious of the world.

745
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: And then the Ronald Curry's on the football side, Cordell

746
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: Stewart's I'm going a little older because I'm trying to

747
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: name a guy that I felt like had both. You

748
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: know to me, Ronald Curry who played for the Raiders.

749
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if you really remember him. A lot

750
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: of guys play the game of basketball, but they're not

751
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: really playing. Yeah, I don't like the I don't want

752
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: to keep discussing them. They're not playing. They're not right,

753
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: They're not circled. A guy got a foul trouble and

754
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: you got in the game.

755
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not a circle.

756
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: You ain't right, You're right.

757
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: Ronald Curry on the roster, Charlie Ward, you.

758
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Know what I'm say.

759
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: And those guys, I don't want to say that anymorelled

760
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah he was, he was football.

761
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: He was so I grew up watching him, so I knew.

762
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: He went to the Knicks.

763
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: He played point guard in his quarterback from Florida State,

764
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: Florida State. I want to say, you want the heights, Maan.

765
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: I want to say that those were the guys, in

766
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: my opinion that I seen that I was able to say.

767
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be in that space. You know, most

768
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: of the guys either doing one or the other. Good,

769
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, These guys were doing both,

770
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, I guess Dion Sennens would

771
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: obviously be the pinnacle of it, right playing at the

772
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: baseball and so.

773
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: He's another Jackson, Bo Jackson.

774
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: You know, Michael Jordan still Michael Jordan, he played baseball

775
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, but right, that's what I'm saying.

776
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: So I just but those are the guys I've seen.

777
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

778
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Deon Senda's in my opinion, bo Jackson would be the

779
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: pinnacle of somebody doing something to sports.

780
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: While I just watched that documentary where Dion played in

781
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 3: the game and then went to go on the same

782
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: day and there's some bullshit.

783
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: Bo Jackson was like that too. I want to say

784
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: both probably was even, if not better than the im both.

785
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Well, there was some drama

786
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: behind it, like the team started Atlanta started getting mad.

787
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: You gotta watch it. It was fucking Sickle's just jump into

788
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: this competitiveness. Because when you were talking about that and

789
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: then you went into how you transitioned into a tight end.

790
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: For me, it was every day was a competition with

791
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: myself because I would see the other guy who was

792
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: a polished technician. I saw Wes Walker in his prime

793
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: and how he was running routes and shit, and like

794
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: I was like, man, if I think about that, it's

795
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: gonna kill me emotionally. I gotta think about how do

796
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: I make myself better? Like so I would always just

797
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: every day just I gotta do everything this right I got.

798
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: I just gotta work on this. I gotta work the

799
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: top of my route because I never I never felt

800
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: it before. Just like you walk me through how you

801
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 3: transitioned in like that first training camp, that first whenever

802
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: you got there the mini camp. Talk me through that,

803
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: because I couldn't even get into a fucking receiver stance. Bro.

804
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: I watched my rookie mini camps. I watched my rookie

805
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: mini camp recently or like a year ago, and I'm

806
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: sitting here looking like the hunchback of Notre Dame trying

807
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: to take off on a release, walking through how you

808
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: transition because you didn't the sport.

809
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right, what dude? Like you know what I'm saying.

810
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: It's the same for everybody. Man, it's the it's the

811
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's the progression. It's the stages, right, you know,

812
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: that's stage one for me and you that ain't that

813
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: don't change, you know, for me, it was even you know,

814
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: probably more complicated, you know, the range of which I

815
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: had to come from because I didn't play college football.

816
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: But I think it served me somewhat on an advantage

817
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: because I didn't have any what I would like to

818
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: consider credit.

819
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have any bad habits.

820
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're had a fresh canvas, right, So I

821
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: was learning from a clean slate.

822
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: But right, but.

823
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Unlike you know, unlike people that's like you know what

824
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they come there and they already learned.

825
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: How to run.

826
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: You know, you learn how to do so now you're

827
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: trying to change what you learn in Kent State, say it, God,

828
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: come from miskan Or, Ohio. They changing what they've already

829
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: learned for three or four years. And I didn't have

830
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: to change nothing. I just had to learn it from

831
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: the first time. So I felt like it was somewhat

832
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: easier for me. Like credit, you better to have no

833
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: credit than bad credit, right, So it was like I

834
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: felt like I was it was a little easier transition.

835
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't easy. I just felt like it was easier.

836
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't get in the stands. You know what I'm saying, right,

837
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand motion, remember right.

838
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah right, I'm not Yeah, I'm trying to see what

839
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: the covers of that, right.

840
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: So I got to a point I was so bad.

841
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: They just told me to just stand up. Just do

842
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: what you want to do, jays. Yeah, I would stand

843
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: up at the end of the line, I would do whatever,

844
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: because they got to be worried about what I'm doing

845
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: at this point, Why I'm worried about what they're doing.

846
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, it got to that level. But the idea

847
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: was I just remember learning watching who I thought. Like

848
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: when you said watching who, I thought, who is your guy?

849
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean we had a.

850
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: Guy called named Eric Parker who played receiver from Tennessee

851
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: and he was our starting receiver. And obviously, you know

852
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: we had Keenan mc carter came along. But Eric Parker

853
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: to me initially was a guy who ran robs to

854
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: the tea, dropped his weight, I mean coming at you

855
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: full speed, drop his way, and I mean two or

856
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: three steps he coming out. He ain't overstepping to come

857
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: out of shit like everything. I'm like, this is why

858
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: he's starting simple, this is why he's starting right.

859
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: And then I was as I matured.

860
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: And I got a chance to go to the Pro

861
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: Bowls and I start watching Marvin Harrison. He was another

862
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: guy that I would watch in practice and like, this

863
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: is crazy to me.

864
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: This is perfect to me.

865
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: You know, even though I'm playing tight end, I'm still

866
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: with the vision of what I think a perfect route

867
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: runner looks like. And I think that's how I seen it.

868
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: I didn't see I wouldn't like watching. And obviously I

869
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: grew with tight ends in my room, the guys who

870
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: preformed me. But I was learning from them how to

871
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: be a professional. So we had the ultimate professionals for

872
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: the Chargers. That's the beauty of it. I was learning

873
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: from guys that was in my space, and I was

874
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, he's taking notes, he's doing this, he's

875
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: making sure this is his footwork. Okay in the run game,

876
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: huh okay, get your inside hand inside, get your foot down,

877
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: get them get them foot in the ground, or you're

878
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: gonna get through wrong. This is day too strong. These

879
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: are five techniques, you know what I'm saying. Back then,

880
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: it was a four to three defense, so it wasn't

881
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: the stand up line. It was a guy his hands

882
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: and there he was two ninety five. They was trying

883
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: to stop the run back then, you know what I'm saying.

884
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: So it changed to a three four as like we

885
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: got going. But everybody was playing four three when I

886
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: got there, and I had an end. Pretty much every

887
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: time it's handing the ground. So I remember saying, man,

888
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: I gotta get my feet in the ground.

889
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I got to put that in.

890
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: Who are the early and huge I mean back in

891
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: the day, I remember, you know.

892
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: I'm going over in my head and the vision. Yeah,

893
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: we had some, but like the handle.

894
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: They were like the big run stoppers, so they wasn't

895
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: the major playmakers.

896
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: You know.

897
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: Now guys are sacking, you know what I'm saying. Then

898
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: the three four came, and then you get you got

899
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: the merriorments, and then the vans came and all over

900
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: the rockers and all those guys are just coming around

901
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: the edge. But now we're spraying blocking now, you know,

902
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: we trade blocking to the backside, were leaving the inn,

903
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: were leaving the sand banking for the full back.

904
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Before that, it was just those three guys.

905
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: Was in the box and it was those four down linemen,

906
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: and I mean I had him. He was at a

907
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: seven on, he was in y nine and it was

908
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: mine and it was just dude. I used to be like, Yo,

909
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: why do you keep helping this guard?

910
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

911
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: He had to tackle, would have to go down. I

912
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: don't know if you understand the run game. Yeah, yeah,

913
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: so you know I would always had me on my own.

914
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: It's means him. But that's why I wouldn't know two

915
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: thirty five tight ends. Back in those days, you have

916
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: to be to sixty two seventy. I was a legit

917
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: two fifty five to sixty and.

918
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: That was a smaller range, right, so now these tight

919
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: ends are even thirty two.

920
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: They bulking up the two fo Yeah.

921
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: There's there's no true tight end.

922
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: There's no true tight ends. No more.

923
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: There's a couple. I mean there's a there's a few.

924
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to throw that out there, but I

925
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: think the position has changed in a space game.

926
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: And more of a passing oriented. It was power in

927
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: order for you to play for the charges back then. Yeah,

928
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: three overturn man Shah.

929
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: Was first Shottenheim receipt.

930
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Sheinheim was first. Had to block power. You

931
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: had to block. I don't care what you can do.

932
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: If you came block Power, you came block counter, you

933
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: came block that lee Io. You you ain't playing. And

934
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: that's how I got in the game. People don't know

935
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: that that's how I got not because I was just

936
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: so dominanting to run.

937
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: But I was like.

938
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: I know, I got a block this dude to make

939
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: the team. So I'm just saying I'm gonna compete, and

940
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: I was just finding ways using angles. I got to

941
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: a point where the dudes were so strong. I'm like,

942
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: I got I gotta get to him before he can

943
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: get I will swipe the hands down, get him off ball,

944
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: get it to him right then, I say, yeah, I know,

945
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: because they ain't never been out there, probably they ain't blocking.

946
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: The dude say, would accept the hit and let him

947
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: take and.

948
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Take I'm okay, yeah, I'm okay, gone. Yeah.

949
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: The players coming right behind me the time. It's counters

950
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Power that's just coming right behind the tight end.

951
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So it's like, dude, I

952
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: got whatever.

953
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: I say, you say the same thing. You ain't ever playing.

954
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: You ain't never been out there.

955
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: Changing up, a change up. What's got to be a

956
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: change up in there.

957
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: They got to know. That's the beauty of playing. You

958
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: gotta know when you get out there. Dudes that they

959
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: would tell you know how this goes. Dudes that they

960
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: would say, that's good. You get out there, and they

961
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: wouldn't always that great to you. But dudes the day

962
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: be like, now this guy, you should go for one

963
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: fifty on him.

964
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I get out there, I'm like, damn.

965
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: This pretty good, though, Yes, you know what I'm saying, right,

966
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, this dude pretty good.

967
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: And they be like, no, what are you doing? You playing?

968
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: You fing a round? And I'm thinking myself, like, not really,

969
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: he's really covering me, you know what I'm saying. That's

970
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: how it always is. Always the guy that names and

971
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: you get out there and there they good, don't get

972
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: me wrong, but they more playmakers. But then it'll be

973
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: a guy who don't make as many plays. But he

974
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: don't really do nothing wrong either. He just depressed. He

975
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: say he played cover three, right, he played cover four right,

976
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: he played cover two right, he played man good? I

977
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: mean he played inside man good. Play two men good.

978
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: He staying inside and I'm like, damn, I can't get

979
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: And he's fast and he's strong. And I know that

980
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: because I would play against guys all the time and

981
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: I would have good games, but I'd be like, man,

982
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: I worked my ass off for this.

983
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Excuse my language. You know what I'm saying. Okay, Yeah,

984
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: you know I said.

985
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: You know you don't swear.

986
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: You know. When I'm at home, I do whatever.

987
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: You like. Philip Rivers, Gosh.

988
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody like Philip? Yeah, nobody like Philip. Yeah, get

989
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: your ass lined up.

990
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: Words, gods darn it, let me.

991
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: Get your ass lined up in the right spot.

992
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

993
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he don't drop.

994
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: No. OK, Well, he's unbelievable. He's different.

995
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: I want to get back in to blocking. When was

996
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: your first baptized moment in the in the NFL? One

997
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: of these was it could have been training camp or

998
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: was it in a regular season? You're like, oh, this

999
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: blocking ship is a little tough. Yeah, there's one time

1000
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: when gaptized.

1001
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was from the get go, from get going,

1002
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: from the get go, from training camp. I was yeah,

1003
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I he passed away. His name was Adrian Dingo and

1004
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: from Clark.

1005
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he passed away. Adrian Dingo.

1006
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: He from Clemson, and I remember he was an Ian

1007
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: and then I remember going against him and I never

1008
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: had heard of his name. I never knew who he was.

1009
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: I've been playing video games forever, so I know people.

1010
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, who is this dude?

1011
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: And he was playing good. That's what I'm saying about

1012
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: the lead. He was a starter and he was good

1013
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: and I could not get knocked, like damn, I can't

1014
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: block this. And he was just like that's what I'm saying,

1015
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: Like I'll be on you know how you be like

1016
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: on one foot you see the field and you like

1017
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: like every time I look up, I'm grabbing his jersey

1018
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: like cause he flinging me everywhere and I'm just trying

1019
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: to hold on. And I just was like, man, I go.

1020
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: I said, man, we got a due named Adrian Dingo.

1021
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: You play defense this he's really good, Like he's really good,

1022
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: and you just say you love committing commenting your teammates.

1023
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: That was my thing. People always say I complimented my teammates.

1024
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: I always would say that, but I'm like, no, I'm

1025
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: telling to tell you. But he never he was always injured.

1026
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: He would always play six seven game star knee problem,

1027
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: take him out the lineup, get him, have to come back.

1028
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: So he always had a knee issue.

1029
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 3: That's a difference with football and basketball.

1030
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Though.

1031
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: You know there's fifty three guys when you're in the NFL,

1032
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: every one of those motherfuckers was the best guy on

1033
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: their team. Yes, you know, it's just there's so many guys.

1034
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: Everyone is good, you know, like in the NBA, and

1035
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: there's fifteen guys in the roster, so you know, the

1036
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: whole fucking roster.

1037
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1038
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like in the NFL, Like I remember, it

1039
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 3: reminded me of when Rob Ninkovich, remember him linebacker. He's

1040
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: a really good player for us, won three Super Bowls.

1041
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: He was a fucking at a point in his career

1042
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: where he's a long snapper in New Orleans. We brought

1043
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: him in on like his third year and we had

1044
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Matt Light who was like a fucking stunt. In his

1045
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: first day in training camp. He gave Matt like the

1046
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: work like he was just like a possessed animal, you know,

1047
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: and it was like he was on it. He was like,

1048
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, it's just one of those

1049
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: things where that's what made him. He made the team

1050
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: because of that that one day. Yeah, I just remember

1051
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: like that, those one on one periods, that's where because

1052
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: we would watch it in front of the whole team,

1053
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: and that's where you get exposed, like you do a

1054
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: good play right there, like on one on ones against

1055
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: the corners. You know, Bill would show it. If you

1056
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: got himmed up, he'd show that too, so like it

1057
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: would build.

1058
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's how.

1059
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 3: Those old school coaches were.

1060
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: How was mart We watched the film together, the whole team.

1061
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: So I remember when it was like my play coming up,

1062
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm like about.

1063
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: To play forty eight.

1064
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll be doing to play and everything we already went

1065
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: over in the tight end room. So we get to

1066
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: the whole and Marty was the kind of guy he

1067
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: was just you know in North too.

1068
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1069
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: So I had some great, you know, great coaches my career,

1070
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: but the idea was like, you know, this was early

1071
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: on in my career. He made us the accountability. That's

1072
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: how it started, right and North Turner was the same way.

1073
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: It was just being accountable that you know, you had

1074
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: to be accountable, and you know, because they would show

1075
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: a guy named Lorenzo neil in our room. He didn't

1076
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: know this, and they'd be like, watch this, watch him play,

1077
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: and it felt like he never had a misplay. I'm like,

1078
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: this block blocks it's got every single time. This guy

1079
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: is not don't be that was off. Don't be the

1080
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: one to let the team down. Yep, don't don't let

1081
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: your guy be the one to make the tackle. That's

1082
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: the major concept. Obviously, it's hard, it's very hard, you

1083
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But the ideas Linn's O'Neil. You'd

1084
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: be like, this is unreal. We'll watch a whole game

1085
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this guy never made the play, the

1086
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: guy that he had never made to play, and I'm like,

1087
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: how do I get to that level of like focus

1088
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: and dominance because he was dominant. He was the best

1089
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: fullback that I have seen, one of probably the best

1090
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: blocker period that I have seen, because he got on

1091
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: you and it was over. It was just he was

1092
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: five eleven and you know, Lorenzo O'Neil, she be in

1093
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame probably you know what I'm saying.

1094
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: But he blocked for Corey Dillon. He blocked for everybody.

1095
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: He's blocked for he has had a thousand yards he

1096
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: get on you and it was it was and I

1097
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: know that's hard professional, you know how it is in

1098
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: past pro you get back there, they have you probably

1099
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: doing some stuff in f I don't know. I'm assuming

1100
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 2: they did. I had I had one Rex call Yeah

1101
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: right right, That's what I'm saying.

1102
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: Can I can see you doing that? That's all I'm saying.

1103
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: With Lorenzo O'Neil, when the fullback has a cowboy caller on,

1104
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: let's go see what you're what you were explaining why

1105
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Famer because he was a guy

1106
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: that was doing that and he played on some good

1107
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: football teams, but he never got to play at the pinnacle.

1108
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: The difference between that is there's more guys like you

1109
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: that are are sitting there seeing Lorenzo O'Neill. Man, if

1110
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm just doing my job and he does his job

1111
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: and we all just fucking do our job for that

1112
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: one play and it may be something. That's how success

1113
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 3: is made.

1114
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Team was team, That's how the winners.

1115
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, That's what that's what I

1116
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: was thinking about. I was like, I remember being the

1117
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: same way, Like you're just looking at like, how does

1118
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: this guy he just does his job every time, every time,

1119
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: and then they throw him a bone every once in

1120
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: a while, but he does, and then everyone like, all.

1121
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 4: Right, he does? Is he hit a sixteen year career

1122
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: from ninety three to two thousand and eight, he only

1123
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: ever scored one touchdown a season and never scored more

1124
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: than one touchdown.

1125
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: This he's going to be should be a lot of

1126
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: Before we jump into this game, we got to talk

1127
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: over some of the greatest tight ends. I got to

1128
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: play with Gronk. Who were we obviously Tony Gonzalez were

1129
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: who are your tight ends that you would always eye

1130
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: during your career? And then what do you think about

1131
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: the tight end? Like the Kelsey's going on right now,

1132
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: the Andrews right now, I like that likely. I think

1133
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: he's going to blow up a little bit. Baltimore Bowers like,

1134
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: what do you think about these tight ends now? And

1135
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: who are the tight ends that you fucking were always

1136
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: like looking at?

1137
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: You know?

1138
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: The little wrinkle in my initial arrival for the charges

1139
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: was at that particular time, tight ends was really not

1140
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: doing that. You were blocking, we were running power, we

1141
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: were running counter shot. Yeah, so that was like the

1142
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 2: thing I remember the things that I initially started doing

1143
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 2: that the position would be I would be getting cursed

1144
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: out a lot. I know, every practice, I would be

1145
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: getting curted. You can bat if you came to a

1146
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: practice from O three the old side. I was getting

1147
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: cursed out like that first couple of years because I

1148
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: was doing so much thing like it wasn't it was

1149
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: the enemy of great being. I was just doing what

1150
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and they like, what are you doing?

1151
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: We told you to go sixteen? But I'm like, yeah, coach,

1152
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: he was sitting there. I went fourteen. I came in

1153
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: across his face, right. So that was my philosophy.

1154
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: But I still you didn't know conceptually that you had

1155
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 3: to go sixteen because there's a guy at four. Yeah,

1156
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: you guys were you weren't there yet.

1157
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't there yet. But it was more so in basketball.

1158
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: I was always taught to get away from the defender

1159
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: and create space wherever he was at. My goal was

1160
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: to turn your hips and get you moving in a

1161
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: different direction for me to get my shot off. So

1162
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: I had that naturally. That was just my thing. I

1163
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: didn't care what the right way. It could be a

1164
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: slant if it's a three step slant.

1165
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't.

1166
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: Once he turned his hips, I'm coming in there. So

1167
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: I know you guys, so I but I know you

1168
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: doing three step drop. I know I got time to

1169
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: play with him. Sometimes I'm not gonna take three steps

1170
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: based on who it is, right, Some guys ain't going

1171
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: for it.

1172
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: Some guy.

1173
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: I got to just act like I'm doing something and

1174
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: get in there. Depends on what the situation is. I

1175
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: would get cursed out so much. Everything that I would.

1176
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: Do was no, no, no, no, no no. What did

1177
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: you doing?

1178
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: You short?

1179
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: You ain't deep enough, You ain't this? Why did you

1180
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 2: do that? Too much game in the route, too much

1181
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: wiggle right till everybody start to do that. So now

1182
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: the transition is that people are actually accepting that.

1183
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: Now.

1184
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: When I did it, it wasn't done. Guys would go

1185
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: fourteen yards in, they would go a six yard out,

1186
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: they would go eight yard across the ball curl. It

1187
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: wasn't no pivot and wrinkles to it. You know what

1188
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That was basketball I started. I'm not saying

1189
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: I started it, but when I was doing it, it

1190
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: was like I.

1191
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: Would get graded off really bad.

1192
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: But I have a seven for one thirty in the

1193
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: game and a touchdown, you know what I'm saying. And

1194
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: they'd be like, dude, you're killing us. The quarterback he

1195
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: don't know what to do, right, I know, And I'm like, yeah,

1196
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: we called it because that's how I played football in

1197
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: the streets. It was like go to the car and

1198
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: turn around, do this. He was over there to create.

1199
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 2: You created it in a way, and you know because

1200
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: you kind of I started watching and y'all kind of

1201
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: play it like that too, kind of like, you know,

1202
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: give him the sign at the top. It got to

1203
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: that point in ross give him something when you you

1204
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: didn't really want to do that. You would want to

1205
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: speed cut out. When I first got to lead everything,

1206
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 2: it was a speed cut, speed cut and Tim Dwight

1207
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: was watched him. Dwight, He's going to come and speed

1208
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: cut out, an option roup, speed out, green grass, run out,

1209
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: write zone, offside release, hook, simple and I just used

1210
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: that and I built on the idea of my natural

1211
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: ability was giving me more of an advantage than it

1212
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: was anything else. I would make plays in the game

1213
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, what was you thinking on that.

1214
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, coach, I know it was covered too Mike,

1215
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: and he'd been watching me run a pivot, all right,

1216
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: so I got a deep over. Instead of me just

1217
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: getting up and running so he can turn and run

1218
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: with me, I made it look like I'm about to

1219
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: stop and sit down, and then.

1220
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: I go behind him. You know what I'm saying.

1221
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: But I'm holding him. I'm freezing him, Yeah, like a ship,

1222
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: like a ship.

1223
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: So then we came We came up with the route.

1224
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: Gates got the shemy he got this he got because

1225
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: I was doing it naturally. I did everything off my

1226
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: pivot or everything off my sticky, or everything off my seven.

1227
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: Runs to steal all that stuff from you guys.

1228
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: And I remember running it.

1229
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, we used to give it to Hernandez.

1230
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: Hernandez was a beast.

1231
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: He was because he was cold on he was cold

1232
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: on the hoot.

1233
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: He was the one I was worried about the most

1234
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: between menu. So the speaking of when I was watching,

1235
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: and I didn't really watch as much because the space

1236
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: that I was in, with all due respect, I was

1237
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: doing my own kind of thing. So it was hard

1238
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: because I remember watching Denver and they played the Patriots

1239
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: and Grunk was playing and he was in tight in

1240
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: gold Line package and he popped out wid I want

1241
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: to say a fade environ Miller was the linebacker.

1242
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: He popped out wide right. We played them leaves.

1243
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: Harrison stayed in the game, go line, they don't come out,

1244
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: so I couldn't really say we're going, this is what's.

1245
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: About to happen.

1246
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: So I got to that level where I knew I

1247
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: just got to kind of go and ad just as

1248
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: I go. I don't know what they're gonna do. I

1249
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: don't know who Woson guarded me on third down. Chap

1250
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: came in and guarded me on third down. So that's

1251
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: not truly the normalcy in terms of what you would see.

1252
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing Hernandez play, and I remember what

1253
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: we would say in practice too, and I'm like, they

1254
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: would come to me and they asking me, and again

1255
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm not It's hard to say because you don't want

1256
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: to discredit anything with anybody grunting. It's phenomenal Hall of

1257
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: fame in my opinion, But we felt like Hernandez was

1258
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: at that particular moment, he was more of a difficult

1259
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: thing to cover because of his ability, and I always

1260
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: felt like him and Kellen Winslow Jr. Was more closer

1261
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: to me than anybody else. Based on my appearance of

1262
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing, I'm like, I gotta get going. So

1263
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: when we played him, I'm like, I'm gonna show this

1264
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: boy what's happening. He ain't coming here. But he was

1265
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: such a phenomenal player. He can put him at running back,

1266
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: put him at AF, you can put him at why

1267
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: put him at Z? You put him at X. And

1268
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: that's kind of what we really did. Essentially, I was

1269
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: everywhere moving around and I just think of myself. I said,

1270
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: I know what y'all keep saying, but I'm telling y'all

1271
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: who I think is I need to worry about.

1272
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: We used to know. We used to watch a lot

1273
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: of your stuff and give a lot of those things

1274
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 3: to him, And I watch a lot of your routes

1275
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: and I watched Aaron. He was a technician and routes,

1276
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: but he also knew he was like a football route runner.

1277
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: Because there's guys that are basketball guys that know how

1278
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: to get open and there's your technical football guys that

1279
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: just know, like they know movement and stuff, but they

1280
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 3: also get their debt. He combineded those yes, you know,

1281
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: and so he had that crossover at the top of

1282
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: his route where he would break a dude off. But

1283
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: he was too forty. He was kind of smaller, but

1284
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: he was. He wasn't you. He wasn't as big, but

1285
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: he was still two forty five. He was at two

1286
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: fifty and then he listened lost of the way, but

1287
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: like he can move like no other. Like you're saying, yeah,

1288
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of it had to do

1289
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: with the basketball.

1290
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: He was special. Stay the least. I've watched him and

1291
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Speaker 1: I said to myself.

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00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm basketball. I bet yeah, because he was. He you

1293
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 3: know he could.

1294
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: Kellen Winslow senior junior was special too to me, he

1295
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: just didn't his career didn't elevate.

1296
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: But he's another one that I'm just saying.

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00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: When I was thinking about the guys to worry about,

1298
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: You know how, you got your competitors in the social world,

1299
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: like who the media things I need to compete with,

1300
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: and then I got my own independent like visual, this

1301
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: is who I think he coming.

1302
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know who you think?

1303
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: You know how it is when you go out there.

1304
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: You like that he's a badass.

1305
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Keller Winslow's junior, I should say he kept having knee problems.

1306
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: But I watched him run a why post and I'm like,

1307
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: this my fucking play Like that was my rock. That

1308
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: was what I ran. We have the same We can

1309
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: move you, we can move you, we can get you

1310
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: to move over, and you'll be like, oh, look at

1311
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: that rock. I mean, anytime you can watch a guy,

1312
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh look at that move. That's what

1313
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: I you know what I mean. Generally you usually refer

1314
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: to people like you. So that's why it's so hard

1315
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: to make the judgment and comparisons, right, who the best is? What?

1316
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: You know?

1317
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: I feel like these guys played similar, right Tony and

1318
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: Grunk and Jason, like they were more six seven Shaq

1319
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neil kind of players, you know what I'm saying,

1320
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: Like they dominated in that space of he's never covered,

1321
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I've seen two guys in

1322
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: playoff game against grind and he still threw it to

1323
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: him and he's still calling. I'm like, golly, they like

1324
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: they just throwing it up. But I'm like, no, that's

1325
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: hard to do. They know they going to him and

1326
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: they own him and still That's what I'm saying. So

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: he's that kind of player. I was more like, get

1328
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: me in space.

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: Who are you? Then? Koby Nah?

1330
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: I would be like.

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: I would probably be like Laja if it makes sense,

1332
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: If that makes sense from the comparison standpoint, I can

1333
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: make you miss, I'm gonna make you look crazy.

1334
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: I can be big if I need to. But I

1335
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: want to make it. I want to.

1336
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: I want to come and we want to watch film

1337
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: and they be like, watch this move Gates put on

1338
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: him today. That was kind of how we've seen it,

1339
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: Like look at this, watch this pivot row, right, that's

1340
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: how we That's that was our high five.

1341
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1342
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: When you made the guy move off his spot and

1343
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: you've got separation looking over here and you going this direction.

1344
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You have the same kind

1345
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: of cons That's.

1346
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: Where we had.

1347
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: Somebody didn't have a basketball. But you used to call

1348
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: it like a jig almost because there's like a it's

1349
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: like a you know what I mean, there's like a

1350
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: thing at the time, crossovers.

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: Basically you see some of these wide receivers. Actually you're

1352
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 4: doing crossovers now.

1353
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ke On, the guy that you played with, he

1354
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: did a lot of that at like at line of scrimmage,

1355
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: I feel, was he good A hoop?

1356
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah he's good?

1357
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, right, but there's that basketball is huge. We'll

1358
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: be right back after this quick break. Let's jump into

1359
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: the segment where we go back in a time real

1360
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: quick and we go over pop culture. This game took

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: place on September seventeenth, twenty seventeen. Look at some of

1362
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: this stuff out here. Number one movie it that's the

1363
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 3: clown one. Taylor Swift was a huge impact, still making impact. Desposito.

1364
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: That was a that was a killer. I went to

1365
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: Mexico City and we were.

1366
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: That was.

1367
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 4: We were in Mexico a few months before this.

1368
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah before this, Yeah, I didn't play this season.

1369
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know that the.

1370
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 3: Seventh all the team were won in sixteen in preseason

1371
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: and fucking Detroit Dog with that turf in seventeen.

1372
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: You to a c that's what one y'all didn't win it.

1373
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: That's what you're saying. No, that's what you're saying. Basically

1374
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: what you say. I told my cl so Philly won

1375
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: it that year, man, but you know I came.

1376
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,479
Speaker 1: Back after that, right, that's what you're saying.

1377
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: That's a good one though. Yeah, that's cool. Let's good.

1378
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: Pedal the back.

1379
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: I told yeah, I can't stay flashes in your day

1380
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: fifty they told my ah, So.

1381
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: We didn't get we didn't get it done that year.

1382
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 2: But you know they had like you know super Yeah, yeah,

1383
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: I know, but they didn't win it. That's what you're

1384
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: trying to tell me. I didn't say that is reality.

1385
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking facts. I'm not I'm saying that you

1386
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: didn't see it. Yeah, you said, I told my A.

1387
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: I said, I never do that, And I was like, okay,

1388
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: that's the year y'all didn't win it. Right, That makes

1389
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: about right, that's about right right now, you got right?

1390
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: What was it?

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01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: What were you doing twenty seventeen.

1393
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, I was kind of playing retiring because I

1394
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: think we were making the transition. It's funny because I

1395
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: needed one more touchdown to be done in La and

1396
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: in San Diego and they were chanting, were playing the

1397
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: Chiefs and I had to catch two, you know what

1398
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying, to break the record, and I ended up

1399
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: catching one. They were chanting and chanting, you know when

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: we get in the red zone and I couldn't so

1401
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: it forced me to come back for one touchdown, right,

1402
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: And I remember meeting with Anthony Lane and we talked

1403
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: and they were talking about this whole pay cut thing,

1404
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, I need one touchdown, coach. I

1405
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: can't take no pay cut, No, no, not this time.

1406
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: Maybe a nothing of lifetime, but not this one. I

1407
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: still remember that though, So that's how I know. We

1408
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: were making a transition from San Diego to LA and

1409
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: I played. So I played the year eighteen and then

1410
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: I end up breaking the record, say eighteen, and then

1411
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, who was supposed to take over, who was

1412
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: now a Patriot, he towards a cl and training camp

1413
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: at nineteen. So that's why I got two extra years

1414
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: out of my career, because I would have retired had

1415
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: I caught the I caught the second touchdown, I would

1416
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: have broke the record. It would have been like two

1417
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: thirteen or something, and then I would have been just done.

1418
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: We was coming to LA and because they was going

1419
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: to ask me to take a pay cut, right and

1420
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: I was in my last year of my contract, and

1421
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: that probably wasn't gonna happen, and then boom it would

1422
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: have been, and then they would have had obviously the

1423
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: leverage would have changed traumatically because I broke the record,

1424
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: but by me needing one, I knew I actually I

1425
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: tied the record, so I don't need it. Yeah, I

1426
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: tied Tony's record, and then I only need the one

1427
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: to break it.

1428
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, we man for

1429
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: hours and hours, and.

1430
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: I remember Coach coming to me talking about you know,

1431
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: he flew into Detroit, you know. You know, I was like,

1432
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't think so, Coach. You know, I got a

1433
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: lot of you know, skin in the game, a lot

1434
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: of sweat, tears and.

1435
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: Pain, and.

1436
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: This is gonna be for this, not me all like

1437
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: the ultimate charge?

1438
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: Why ask me? You know, That's how I felt. It

1439
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing personal. It was great.

1440
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: The conversation was great, The situation went great. It was

1441
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: a very smooth transition to the season.

1442
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: That's what people don't know though. Yeah, you know, the

1443
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: business part, business part of it, and the teams coming

1444
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: asking for that money.

1445
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's we all.

1446
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: Got an opinion on that.

1447
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: We were moving coming to l A and we were

1448
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: dealing wrong, and we were at cars and we were

1449
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: home depot cent and we're playing like that a little

1450
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: home but It was cool, man. It was like the

1451
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: NFL team.

1452
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: But it was cool though. It was I wanted a

1453
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: soccer field, right.

1454
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: It was cool though. It was like it was always

1455
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: packed the course, right, so but it was like everybody

1456
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: was like on top of the top of you. And

1457
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: it was cool though too. You know, the training camp part,

1458
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: the facilities and all that we were just based on

1459
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: like certain junior colleges and stuff. So that was the

1460
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: struggle from a training camp perspective. No ice tubs. We

1461
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: had to kind of create. Yeah, so we had to

1462
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: create that training camp was rough, but uh, it was

1463
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: that was the train transition part. And I was surprised

1464
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: how well Los Angeles welcomed us because I always felt

1465
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: like the Chargers, the Angels, the Clippers were always like

1466
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: the step child, just like natural because they're not you know,

1467
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: the Rams and the Raiders and the Dodgers. The Lakers

1468
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: are the first, you know, yeah, that's the bread winner

1469
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: of the you know, Los Angeles community. But they welcomed

1470
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: us with open arms, man, And it was a very

1471
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: very good experience for me. Man.

1472
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: I was I had fun. I enjoyed it.

1473
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: That's sad, you know, it was sad, but cool. Because

1474
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: I loved the San Diego and that whole thing that

1475
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: was I've only played I played there twice. It was

1476
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: a horrible stadium, yeah, awful, but it had a charm

1477
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: about it. It was like tucked up in that hill,

1478
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: like there was like a little there was like a

1479
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: presence about it, like it was such an old stadium

1480
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: where you it felt like there was really good grass.

1481
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: Remember you guys had a pretty good grass at the end

1482
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: when you guys weren't sharing and sharing. Yeah, Like I

1483
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: just I felt bad for the San Diego people. But

1484
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: it's exciting right now, especially with what you guys brought

1485
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: over to La into what they've become now. You know,

1486
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: they this hardball thing that's exciting, huh.

1487
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: It is.

1488
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: He's think about what he's done in the year. Yeah,

1489
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: and I know it's hard to get to the postseason

1490
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: and it's very hard, but it's more so what he's

1491
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: did it with. He's done it with when you change

1492
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 2: every skill position player. We got both our receivers going,

1493
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: tighten going on, running backs going, they're all new as

1494
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: and you know, I think Herbert ye, yeah, a ton

1495
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: of respect for him. We we I mean, we love

1496
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: him here in Los Angeles and he's always been here,

1497
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: so you know, he played with the Chargers, he was

1498
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: in Stanford for a while, so yeah, and he's won

1499
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: everywhere he's went. He has a pedigree that I don't

1500
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: need to speak upont. He got his own legacy in itself.

1501
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: I think we just excited that we got him on

1502
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: our side.

1503
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1504
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: A god that we feel like is es centrally heading

1505
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: in the right direction. That's really what it's all. A boy,

1506
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: we was I was not expecting this to happen so fast,

1507
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: because you know, it's the rebuilding situation, right, trying to

1508
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: get the pieces of the puzzle and you look up

1509
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: and it's week six, you know what I'm saying, before

1510
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: you get the right pieces in.

1511
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: But he did it quick.

1512
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did go to so we got some good

1513
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: football players. And that's let you know, even when your space,

1514
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: when y'all won, you know, the best team is the

1515
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: best team. Talent is just the foundation, right.

1516
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 3: That's everyone's got talented. Everybody got people and talented.

1517
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1518
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: They That was like one of the things people try

1519
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 3: to come at me, like, oh white boy and then

1520
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: our athlete. Yeah yeah, and you you gave me a

1521
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 3: quarter of the game. Yeah, before you look up, before

1522
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: you look out.

1523
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: It's too late. It's too late game or too is

1524
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: too hard. Guys are too gifted.

1525
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 3: Everyone's good.

1526
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: Everybody's good, man, everybody, even if you don't know them.

1527
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 2: And that's my point of saying. Even when you get

1528
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: out there and you're like, man, this dude about to

1529
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: come on, ain't no way he's there.

1530
01:09:59,479 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: He started.

1531
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 3: That's the worst. Yeah, I hate those games.

1532
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can backfire on you where it's to a

1533
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 2: situation where you can't even get up. Yeah, and you

1534
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: look up and you know. I remember we lost to

1535
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: Cleveland and they were like, oh and fifteen, oh and fourteen.

1536
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: We had to go to Cleveland, and it was a

1537
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: sign all we want for Christmas is a win. I

1538
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: told I said, dude, I hate that they ain't want

1539
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: a game yet, you know what I'm saying. And we

1540
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: end up losing because you get out there and they

1541
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: started making plays and they pros. They all Americans, they pros.

1542
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: And I still remember that and it was like my

1543
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 2: homecoming because I was can't stay Golden Flashes and we

1544
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: went there signs win.

1545
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: I had a bad loss in Cleveland, too. We won't

1546
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 3: talk about it. Let's jump into this game, Kyler. Let's go.

1547
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 4: We'll just cover the Dolphins real quick. This is the

1548
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 4: second year of that Adam Gase and GM Chris Greer

1549
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 4: in Miami. Clyde Christian led the offense, Matt Brookle with

1550
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 4: the defense. They would finish six and ten this year.

1551
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 4: Some of the notable dudes is Jay Cutler got pulled

1552
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 4: out of retirement for this game.

1553
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 3: Oh, Jay Cutler. They tried to smoking a cigarette, They

1554
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 3: tried to get picks.

1555
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: Connect you played Jay. He can throw that ball, man.

1556
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: He could throw it on Damcin Sue was a fucking monster,

1557
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 3: wasn't he.

1558
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: Yes.

1559
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 3: I always love those pony twins too, Bonton Parker, Kenny Stills,

1560
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 3: Jervis Landry. Let's jump into the Chargers. So just started

1561
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 3: to own four cool and grinding your way back. I

1562
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 3: liked Anthony Lynn. I liked Anthony Lynn. I remember we

1563
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 3: played you guys in eighteen.

1564
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was the first year in Los Angeles. This

1565
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 4: was also Anthony Lyn's first season. Ken Wasn't Hunting led

1566
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 4: the offense because Bradley led the defense. This was year

1567
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 4: fifteen for Antonio Gates. Some of the dudes were Philip Rivers,

1568
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 4: Melvin Gordon, Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Austin Eckler early Austin Eckler.

1569
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: Eckler took off to this. When Kean took off, I

1570
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 3: mean his.

1571
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: Year because I remember, like I would always, you know,

1572
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: tell him, dude, I'm just about to pass this torch.

1573
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But he had I mean,

1574
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: you knew he had it.

1575
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it.

1576
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: Was obvious, dude, when he was special. He's a football player.

1577
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: That's the thing. He just can play football. It don't

1578
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: matter what you can put him, wherever you want to

1579
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: put him in. It don't even matter. The boy can

1580
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: play football. He just happened to play receiver. Yeah, I

1581
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: mean I want to say he's the best receiver I've

1582
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: seen for us. The Noil Alexander was really good. I

1583
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: don't know if you know who that is. He was

1584
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: the Missouri Yeah, he was really good.

1585
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 3: Special for a long time.

1586
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: He's special.

1587
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: He's quickening with people think, he's faster with people think.

1588
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: So you watch him, he just plays so methodical because

1589
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 2: obviously he's been around. So that's how we play. We

1590
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 2: just played. We don't got time to be just blowing

1591
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: the gast for no reason. I'm just trying to get open,

1592
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: you know.

1593
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1594
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: You get out there, though, you realize he's faster than

1595
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: what you think, he's quicker than what you think. Strong

1596
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 2: in what you think. You can never tell because he

1597
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: plays with so much poise. That's kind of how I

1598
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: played too. We played with so much poise.

1599
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: But dude, his routes were good. He was good at

1600
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: the top of the route, in the beginning of the route.

1601
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: He coach for the Vikings wide receiver coach Vikings, let's

1602
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: go koc Kevin O'Connell bringing in the players. It looked

1603
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,879
Speaker 3: pretty good. How was Rivers?

1604
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Philip, it's self expansive.

1605
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 3: See him getting I was watching some ship. See him

1606
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 3: getting feisty on that sideline.

1607
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: Right, I mean yeah, he uh, Philip is like what

1608
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 2: we talked about. Man, he's you know, I think the

1609
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 2: position competitor, right, The position hurts him because if he

1610
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: was anything else, it would be great, right, Like, this

1611
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: is what I want. That's what he is. He's an

1612
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 2: ultimate competitor.

1613
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: Man.

1614
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: He loves to compete, and that's the thing we man.

1615
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: Our team was so competitive and that's why what what

1616
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: why me and him excelled collectively together. I mean we

1617
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 2: be we be in the back playing dominoes before practice,

1618
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: competing on that like you cheating man, you we are,

1619
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 2: we arguing on a way to you know what I'm saying, walk.

1620
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: Through you know what I'm saying.

1621
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: So that was the kind of and we was right here,

1622
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: our lockers were next to each other. That was the

1623
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: nature how we operated. Like as long as you give it,

1624
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: you're all, that's all we really cared about. It wasn't

1625
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: the win and losses that made the different steps. We

1626
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: wanted to know that we can count on you, and

1627
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: you were doing your and you it's no better player

1628
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: than him that you can believe. That's given his all.

1629
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: He's giving it everything he got. And that's how he's

1630
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: talking trailsh while he's doing it.

1631
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 3: He's having fun. So yeah, he's having fun.

1632
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. We would have to tell him time periodically, like listen, man,

1633
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: you know that's cool you're talking.

1634
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: But we got to.

1635
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 2: Block to these dudes, so you know, you know what

1636
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Can you imagine talking crazy that? I want

1637
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: to say, you're talking crazy?

1638
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: That?

1639
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: Like? Was it? Richard Seymour, somebody with these big dudes

1640
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: up front with the Raiders. I think it was like

1641
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: Richard Seymour and somebody. I can't think it was Wilkinson

1642
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: and he just and deal and looking like, dude, you

1643
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: don't got to block these dudes, Bro, don't keep talking crazy.

1644
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, like he talking to the best of the

1645
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: best too though. He's just right. You know what I'm saying.

1646
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: He's telling you not talking to Joe average Joe blow.

1647
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He might be talking to

1648
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: Albert Hayes word for Tennessee. And we're like, dude, why

1649
01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: are you gonna talk to him?

1650
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 3: You know a pistol?

1651
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 2: Why?

1652
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 3: Why?

1653
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: Like we because we got everything up. How you're doing, man?

1654
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: How the family doing?

1655
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: Man?

1656
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: I seen you over there. Look good man, you look

1657
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: like you're doing good. Hope anything good?

1658
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 3: Right?

1659
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,480
Speaker 2: You know how you're trying tool.

1660
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: Because you just want to win.

1661
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was the guy hitting everything trying to do

1662
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 3: that to me was so hill.

1663
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 2: That's him, yell and we're about to go at you.

1664
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: We have to kill you.

1665
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm like Philip, listen, man, you know this is the

1666
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: market is wed Bro, Like, come on, you know what

1667
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1668
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: It's that kind of It's never like just your average

1669
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: Joe blow. It's just that the dudes that he respects too.

1670
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing about him. He's only talking to

1671
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 2: this like he that's how he really cares. He really cares,

1672
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: and he really loves the players too. Because we go back,

1673
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I got you know, you know what

1674
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, they got clippings of him now

1675
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: and I just seen one recent jokes and he was

1676
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: just like, freaking yeah, you He tried to draw him

1677
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 2: off side the Raiders or somebody I can't think of

1678
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: who the team was, and they came off side. He

1679
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: was like, yep, I just wanted y'all get one more.

1680
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: Y'all broke the record the most penalties of all time

1681
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the game, you know what I'm saying.

1682
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: So we already about to win the game and we

1683
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: hard counting him, you know what I'm saying, Like, you

1684
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He's like, Yup, we just needed

1685
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: to get one more. Y y'all set the records for

1686
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: the most penalties in the game. And it's just like,

1687
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: but we got to play him twice a year though,

1688
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 2: So now we go back there. You know what I'm saying.

1689
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: I sayim though, he know, we love it. And that's

1690
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: what the beauty of being with a guy like that. Man,

1691
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: He's so fun to be around because you know, you're

1692
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: getting every thing he got, man, and I enjoyed it

1693
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: because that's why it was and that was the similarities

1694
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: and why we played together for so long.

1695
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: How about LT, oh, I mean Hall of Famer.

1696
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I think that's an

1697
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: Astros game. You know what I mean, Guys, you know

1698
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. The Hall of Fame should code with

1699
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: something that's already you know what I'm saying.

1700
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: T was great, man.

1701
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 2: He was an ultimate competitor too. Man, he wanted to

1702
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: be the best. You know what I'm saying. He was

1703
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 2: that kind of but LT was the kind of guy

1704
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 2: that did everything right too.

1705
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He was you know what

1706
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean me, I was the locker room dude.

1707
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: We shooting dice. We you know saying, I'm not dude,

1708
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: I'm in the locker room. He was like, he did

1709
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: everything right, you know what I'm saying. He was married

1710
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: he was you know, he was the stand up and

1711
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: which stund Yeah you know, you know you got those guys.

1712
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, yeah yeah, everything was professional. Professional, And

1713
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: that's what we would use ass you know what I mean,

1714
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: a springboard just what this is what you This is

1715
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: the level. This is what you got to get to

1716
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: right for you to really really understand right, one m

1717
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: v P one year, you know at the league, what

1718
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: twenty something touchdowns one year? You know, top five ten

1719
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: in touchdown scoring.

1720
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1721
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: So I would have to That's the that was the

1722
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 2: that was the thing. So he it's like still shopping steel.

1723
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: I knew I had to score because I when I

1724
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: got inside the five and didn't get in, they don't matter.

1725
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: They chanted the whole stadium is aot alt and I

1726
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: don't gut us all the way down to the one

1727
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: and you see that flip and I'm like, look at

1728
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: this another one for him and he's getting there so

1729
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: he ain't missing his opportunity. So that was like the

1730
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: you know, the steel shopping steel. And we will say it,

1731
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: we literally receivers tight ends anybody else.

1732
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: If you get.

1733
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: Inside the team, you batter score ain't batter score because

1734
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: you know LT scoring and when he get it, he's scoring.

1735
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: So it ain't like we give it to him just

1736
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: to give it to him. We know we're going we

1737
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: got it for sure score. So that's the beauty of him, man.

1738
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: I love him.

1739
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: Man. He's like a good friend of mine.

1740
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: Man. So he the one brought me out and introduced

1741
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: me in the whole of fame. So he's my dude. Man.

1742
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 4: He's third an all time touchdowns with one sixty two,

1743
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: right behind Im Smith, just ahead of Randy Moss.

1744
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: Imagine me and him on the same team. We were

1745
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna we scored.

1746
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: We're fourteenth with one sixties insane. Yeah, for a while,

1747
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 3: we only caught you every once in a while.

1748
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: Though I caught this at the right time.

1749
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 3: You guys you played early Patriots too, man, like you

1750
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't when we fourteen to two, where.

1751
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: We know we were better than that.

1752
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: Because I was in pro ball with Taky Bruce Skin

1753
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's no way, no disrespect. It ain't

1754
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: no way he can they gonna line him up on

1755
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: me one on one, So I just knew that.

1756
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: But they just know how to play well together. Man.

1757
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: It was just I seen Relaship was funny. I've seen

1758
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: him at the Super Bowl and I was talking to said,

1759
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever beat the Patriots. I think

1760
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever beat the Patriots. So I'm like,

1761
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 2: so tell me what y'all was really doing.

1762
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: Coach. I was like, yeah, that's what he said.

1763
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: We had the w put an X on you, and

1764
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: he started that whole idea when he can. He was

1765
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: notorious of taking what he wants out of the game,

1766
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: and it was like, nobody else can do that. I'm

1767
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: just played discipline. Yeah, like nobody else is capable of

1768
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: doing that. When he wants you xed out the game,

1769
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: you are exed out the game. He's notorious for that,

1770
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: and somebody else is gonna be your second and third option.

1771
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: Won't have to win the game.

1772
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: I'll be like, Coach, we you know we playing, like yeah,

1773
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: to get me moving, well, he let me start in

1774
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: the backfield and motion out to this side. He can't

1775
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: do it, then he still found a way to do it.

1776
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: He was like, he's a defensive genius. You asked me,

1777
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: bro and.

1778
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 3: He was something special. That guy.

1779
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 4: One more thing before we jump from the Chargers. Your

1780
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 4: first touchdown was from Doug Flute. Doug Flutie, he talked

1781
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, I love Flutes. He's a Boston guy.

1782
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 3: You know, charity ship together all the time and I've

1783
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 3: done a bunch of stuff with the Doug Flutie Foundation,

1784
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 3: and he's he's just a legend. I loved him because

1785
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:34,520
Speaker 3: I was a quarterback.

1786
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he was small, small hoop yeah.

1787
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 3: Hoop.

1788
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes he can he's still the game. He can play,

1789
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 2: that is one hundred percent. So what happened was, uh,

1790
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if people know about the story with

1791
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Drew Brees, but Drew Brees was our starter and you

1792
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: know some you know, he had a tough time at

1793
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: the time, strug. You know, people were booing, right the

1794
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: reason why Rivers was drafted. Yeah, reason why Rivers was drafted.

1795
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: So that was right. So I guess throughout the year,

1796
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: you know, they decided to go with Flutie and then

1797
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: I was in the rotation at the time and Flooty

1798
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: started throwing me the ball and so so he think

1799
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: my very first day down he was throwing me the

1800
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: ball and everything. And what happened was I guess from

1801
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 2: my understanding. Again, don't quote me on this Flutie needed

1802
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: X amount of snaps or something with the contract or

1803
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. So it wouldn't like we

1804
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: were going to the playoffs. We were four and twelve then, yeah,

1805
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, so it was like, we need to put

1806
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: Drew back in the game. And that's kind of where

1807
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: I started, you know, So me and Drew started really

1808
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 2: after he obviously seeing this is what's happening with Flutie. Okay,

1809
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: maybe let's try this kid out. Let's try this young

1810
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: rookie out. Let's see what he can do. Right, Because

1811
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: we had a guy named David Boston at the time,

1812
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: which was I mean, probably the freaker's athlete I've ever.

1813
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you know David.

1814
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 4: He allowed for Arizona.

1815
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: He played for Arizona.

1816
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: You got drive, but we had him and he went

1817
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: to Ohio State the whole Charles Woodson, David Boston, Roval Ohio. Yeah. Yeah,

1818
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: he was like when you finished, google him and pull

1819
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: him up and see what I'm saying. The freakist athlete

1820
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 2: you ever gonna see. He was two fifty playing receiver

1821
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 2: and I remember I'm saying, you got to lose weight,

1822
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 2: but he, like I got like four percent body fat,

1823
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 2: four three guy two fifty playing receiver. You think DK

1824
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: Metcalf or somebody like that. Looks wait, you see David Boston.

1825
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: We had David Boston. He just you know, it was

1826
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: just a battle what he wanted and what the team

1827
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 2: wanted with the offense coordinatd wanting. So I was the alternate,

1828
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 2: a young kid who I'm happy to be on the team.

1829
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: Y'all want me to do what?

1830
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sixteen yard in Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Whatever,

1831
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: And they just got to a point where they were

1832
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,839
Speaker 2: just feeding me the ball man And it all started

1833
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: with Doug Flutie certain defenses by just throwing me the

1834
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: ball did.

1835
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 3: A lot because scout team maybe and.

1836
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: Could it could have been that identifying, like you said,

1837
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: I didn't even think of it then, but but now, yeah,

1838
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: but now you said that, it makes sense because you know,

1839
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 2: he just felt like he was familiar with the guy.

1840
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: He was just all of a sudden, and then it

1841
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: was things that he can see from the sideline too,

1842
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 2: so I think he would always see me open and

1843
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: Drew was probably looking for David Boston and the other

1844
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: guy's not throwing me at the ball and He's like

1845
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: this guy, this shout right yeah football, that was ball man.

1846
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 2: He was like this shadow route is wide open, and

1847
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: he makes life so easy. He being there saying to play,

1848
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: but he's drawn to play as he's saying it, like

1849
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 2: Scott right, you know out in seventy eight, So he's

1850
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: drawing it. So he's making it so easy. And now

1851
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: we just felt like I felt like we were just

1852
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: playing basketball, playing football in the backyard. It didn't feel

1853
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: like my brain was working a thousand miles an hour.

1854
01:23:59,320 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1855
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: That Fleets, that's the key the quarterback making you feel.

1856
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: He's great at making you feel. Wasee was great Hall

1857
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: of Famer too. You know what I'm saying. I look

1858
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: at my the lineup I had, man, I had Flutie,

1859
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,839
Speaker 2: Drew Breese, Philip Rivers.

1860
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 3: I mean that's fun.

1861
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 2: That is I mean, so many guys probably would have

1862
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: excelled even more if they had either one of those guys. Yeah,

1863
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, so I never do I take that for

1864
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: granted because I listened to what guys would say to

1865
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 2: me and other teams. I'm like, yeah, you got a quarterback,

1866
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 2: you got the same quarterback, And I'm like, yeah, and

1867
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: I got a really good one. Every single time they

1868
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: would always ask me who was the best quarterback you

1869
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: ever had?

1870
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: Who was the best between Drew and Philip?

1871
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,879
Speaker 2: What's the difference between Drew and I always get that comparison,

1872
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 2: But the reality is that I feel that the only

1873
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: difference to me was me being able to look back

1874
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: on a rock. I can see Philip. I couldn't see Drew.

1875
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't see Doug. I couldn't see there was like

1876
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: coming out of a cannon. You know those cannons that

1877
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 2: we do. Yeah, they six eight six now all across

1878
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: the board, and you see that ball come out. But

1879
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 2: it's coming, Drew is coming. So once you see it,

1880
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, everything has to change. Your eyes

1881
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: got to get right on that tipstawhere, Philip, I can

1882
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,520
Speaker 2: see the whole everything is winding.

1883
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: Is this is that?

1884
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: You know? I can see it, you know what I'm saying.

1885
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: So my engagement with the ball was easier with Philip

1886
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: because I can see the release and see it come

1887
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: out of his hand. Never can see it coming out

1888
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: of Jew's hand. It's just coming out right right.

1889
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get that as much. I remember, just sometimes

1890
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: you get that going across that middle full speed at

1891
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: like that to eleven yard range and like all the

1892
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,480
Speaker 3: quarterback steps so you don't see quarterbacks.

1893
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 5: Ball coming, the ball coming, Yeah, that's mine. That's how

1894
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 5: you feel when you're coming in there, because you don't

1895
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 5: know if you're gonna throw it, so you see it

1896
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 5: like that's it.

1897
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: That's the player I gotta make.

1898
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: That's trust right there.

1899
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: That's trust. Man.

1900
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: What was the lead up of this game?

1901
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 4: You just let me just rip through this. So the

1902
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 4: real big thing on this is the beginning of the season.

1903
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 4: It's the Charger second game, it's the Dolphins first game

1904
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 4: because they had a game because Hurricane Ima. This is

1905
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 4: the first game the Chargers playing in Los Angeles at

1906
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 4: the step up center pretty much. And then Antonio Gates

1907
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 4: enters the game at one hundred and eleven total touch

1908
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 4: receiving touchdowns for a tight end just behind twenty Gonzales.

1909
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 3: The game.

1910
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 4: Not a whole lot to talk about this game, Cody

1911
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 4: sold out. Let's go right into eight minutes and eighteen

1912
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 4: seconds left in the third quarter. You score a touchdown

1913
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 4: one twelve to pass twenty Gonzalez all time.

1914
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 3: What was that feeling like? Weight off the shoulder, Yeah,

1915
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 3: said you were earlier, you were saying like, man, I

1916
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 3: was stuck.

1917
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know you, I think the reality of

1918
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: it is just you just keep hearing about it throughout

1919
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: the whole week, the week before that, you know what

1920
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Even so you just heard I've been hearing

1921
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: about it all.

1922
01:26:58,560 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1923
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 2: You remember, San Diego entered the off season, so all

1924
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 2: off season, all train is he gonna break the records?

1925
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: The record?

1926
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 2: Is he gonna break the record? Is he gonna break

1927
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: the record? And I knew I wasn't gonna do it

1928
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: on the road because I looked at the red zone

1929
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 2: package and for the first time in my whole career,

1930
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't implement it in the red zone package. I'm

1931
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 2: thinking like, okay, this is what. Yeah, we're gonna go.

1932
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this. Well, we're gonna get him in

1933
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 2: this situation because you know, and I'm like, okay, I

1934
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: get this.

1935
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: A business move. I'm going to l A. I'm gonna

1936
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 1: do it when I get there. So I knew. I

1937
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't gonna do it.

1938
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: They didn't even put me in a position to do it,

1939
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: so that I never even got a call like a

1940
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: play called on the first week on the road. But

1941
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 2: when I did it, you know, you never really know

1942
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 2: when it's gonna happen. You just in the moment. You know,

1943
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the side of I'm reading my side

1944
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: of the field. I don't got time to trying to

1945
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: read the whole scan the whole field. It was like

1946
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: a sticky pump, you know, and I'm looking at.

1947
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 3: The back yards. Go and go right, come around right.

1948
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 2: I knew it was. I felt like it was zone,

1949
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: you know, And I gotta, man, mind you, I gotta

1950
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: I gotta guess this when after my first.

1951
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 3: Two steps, is this, uh, who's this on? Is this

1952
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: a linebacker?

1953
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is on line back?

1954
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 2: But it felt like it felt like cover four if

1955
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: I can look at it. It felt like he was

1956
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 2: going to try to push. Yeah, but it was like

1957
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: two safeties. So it's hard to determine because we're in

1958
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: the red zone, right, It's hard.

1959
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 3: It's hard.

1960
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to determine. But me, I don't even That

1961
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: was the beauty of not playing either. I don't overthink nothing.

1962
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: I just go play. You know what I'm saying, Because

1963
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: when you got this football high IQ, you come down.

1964
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: You can overthink it's still football, it's green grass, or

1965
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: it ain't just play, you know what I'm saying. That

1966
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: was my philosophy. Once I ran up on him, I

1967
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 2: realized he was He stayed inside, he didn't push right,

1968
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, like, well, the corner didn't look like

1969
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: he was squatting. So that's why I kind of trying

1970
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: to figure out what was cover six? It was four,

1971
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: it was two, you know what, Let me just get

1972
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: back around here. I felt like it's some type of

1973
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: zone right which I felt like it was covered four

1974
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 2: because he drove it safety drove it so hard, you

1975
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I ended up just trying

1976
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: to loop around and get around the linebacker with the

1977
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: idea of if it's four, let me give him a

1978
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: little something because he's going to have to go. He's

1979
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: trying to get underneath me. Yeah, it's going to have

1980
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: to go if it's four, yeah, and if it's two.

1981
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: So basically my idea is that if it's two, I

1982
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 2: can still just come on and come around him flatter.

1983
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: I gotta come flatter. If it's four, I gotta still

1984
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: come flat. Now I'm the safeties guy. Once I get

1985
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: a straight release. Now I gotta beat him, right, So

1986
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: the backer is not really the concern. It was more

1987
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 2: so the safety. I've always used that formula anyway. I

1988
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: ain't got time to worry about the first dude. Whereas

1989
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: his help, right, So I'm going to go yeah. So

1990
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 2: I just kind of gave him listening. I felt like

1991
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't really moving. I said, there's no point of me,

1992
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: why and what? He ain't coming right? So I just

1993
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: came yeah, two three for two for two, that's what

1994
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: it might have been. So and I've seen enough of

1995
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: those coverages to know, yeah, I got a lot with

1996
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 2: like Danny when Danny was on our team, So I

1997
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 2: got the like I was the darren spros.

1998
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 1: We get him in a slot formation as.

1999
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: A backer, linebacker, safety, whatever, so we know it's three take.

2000
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 2: I go over here. The backer got me, I go

2001
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 2: vertical to the safety got me. I always try to

2002
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 2: figure out what the help was at. I never thought

2003
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: about the actual guy who's carvered me. In my mind

2004
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 2: and to me, I was gonna beat him where it's

2005
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: his help that determines his leverage, that's going to determine

2006
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 2: how he's shade and how he's moving and I felt

2007
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: like he didn't really move with no point of me

2008
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 2: getting wide and.

2009
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 3: You had to get open on him for you to

2010
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: get the ball. Yeah, because you know that's what the

2011
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 3: quarterback is seeing. Yeah, pretty crazy. You got to tie

2012
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 3: the record, Yeah, Tony Gonzalez former basketball player with some

2013
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 3: of your basketball techniques on the route, because that's like

2014
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 3: some fucking beat the record here record. But like that route, right,

2015
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 3: that that route concept, that's like that you created. Space

2016
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 3: came off topped the ball.

2017
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, found a soft spot, soft spot.

2018
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like you know it's and

2019
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: that's the beauty of the space. I made a necessary adjustment.

2020
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: And it didn't even like Philip knew I was going.

2021
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 2: He just was like, Okay, this is the space. I

2022
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: feel like his mind was made up. I feel like

2023
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 2: his mom was made up. He was coming to me.

2024
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 2: It didn't really matter it was, it didn't. I just

2025
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: felt like his mom was made up. Based on the

2026
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 2: precetnet read that he had. He's like, Okay, the guy

2027
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 2: gonna find the right space, and that's the trust that

2028
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: we talk about, and he made he threw it up

2029
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 2: so it wouldn't really no clean because the ball was

2030
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 2: in the air. I had to go up and get it,

2031
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 2: and it was gonna be that bang bang, I'm gonna

2032
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: take the hit. But you know this this from one twelve.

2033
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 2: You better come down with it, Joe. Was you about

2034
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 2: to own it?

2035
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Yeah?

2036
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 3: Did you talk to Tony?

2037
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 2: I think he left a message on the jumbo trot

2038
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: uh and he congratulated me, which was cool, man, which

2039
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 2: was cool.

2040
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 3: How did you celebrate it?

2041
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 2: I didn't, Man, I didn't. You know, we I got

2042
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: a lot of congratulations throughout the year.

2043
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Or but that was the beauty grind.

2044
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 3: You're in the middle of that.

2045
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: You understand me.

2046
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: You really don't consume anything and tists over. It was done,

2047
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 2: tiss over.

2048
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 3: Appreciate.

2049
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 2: You don't get to You don't be every time you

2050
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: do something. You don't just say hey, right, you're like, okay,

2051
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: that was great. It's on to the next. Because that's

2052
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: the type of lead we're in, right. It's like I

2053
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, a couple of hours, may you

2054
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 2: go get some dinner. The next day you got to

2055
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: go back and it's got The process has already started, right,

2056
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 2: the cold tubs, this, the massage, the car practice, boom

2057
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 2: practice again, third down, coming up again, reizone, coming right

2058
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 2: up again in four days. So it's like you never

2059
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 2: truly you know, stay be complacent in that space. You

2060
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: just keep grinding, and you look up and you get

2061
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: to one twelve and you're like, damn, I got to

2062
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 2: one twelve. You look up and you get the opportunity

2063
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 2: to go in the Hall of Fame. But you never

2064
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 2: really consume the actual moment that time. You just living

2065
01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: and you making. I was trying to be the best

2066
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: into on your gates the next week. Although I broke through,

2067
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: I was I wouldn't like I'm done.

2068
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 3: I was over.

2069
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm trying to get on. I'm

2070
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: still here. This is what got me here. I'm not

2071
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: changing this formula. This is the formula that got me here,

2072
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be the formula that's gonna get me

2073
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: wherever else I'm gonna go. Right, that's the formula they

2074
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: constantly moved to got me to the Hall of Fame.

2075
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna keep moving. It's an ongoing process. It's life.

2076
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, nah.

2077
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 2: What's what's that? The next what's now? Antonio? You winning

2078
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I'm a Hall of Fame dad,

2079
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: What you mean Now I'm not regularly dad, Right, So

2080
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: now I gotta do this. I gotta do that because

2081
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: now it's like it's just it keeps going. It don't

2082
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: cap out. You know what I'm saying. You just keep different,

2083
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: you put different caps and keep going. Right the formula

2084
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: it is the same. Then keep grind the tone fula, yeah,

2085
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 2: the grind, the grind.

2086
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 3: Let me put all of fame formula. Let's hear these.

2087
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 4: Let me put a bow on this game. The Dolphins

2088
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 4: end up winning nineteen seventeen. Who mister forty for ta

2089
01:33:58,960 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 4: and they could have won the game.

2090
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: But let's go in the.

2091
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 3: After pro No, Yeah, I know we had them too.

2092
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 3: Look Coup, he's good people, He's funny.

2093
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 4: Antonio would end up retiring in twenty eighteen, just nominated

2094
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 4: to the Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.

2095
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 4: His career receptions nine fifty five eleven, eight hundred and

2096
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 4: forty one yards and one hundred and sixteen touchdowns, which,

2097
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 4: as we mentioned, uh finishes the all time leader in

2098
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 4: touchdowns receptions by a ten and passing twenty Gonzales.

2099
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: It's going to stay there too. Yeah, he kna say

2100
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 2: Travis was you know, but he I thought, well, I

2101
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: actually thought grunk was. We have an opportunity to get it.

2102
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 2: It's so hard to.

2103
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Stay healthy those big boys. That's why that he didn't

2104
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 3: have any what he didn't play college football, didn't have

2105
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 3: to wear a tear.

2106
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: Baby, that is that's true. Hey, that is one hundred

2107
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: percent truth.

2108
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 3: And basketball dudes are always they're like fluid. Yeah, like

2109
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 3: he ain't jumping on hard in.

2110
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 2: The big hits. I don't want to discredit that. There's

2111
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: a lot of hits I didn't take. Yeah, I mean, like,

2112
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 2: why You'm like coaches this second down? Man, you know

2113
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Yeah, don't get bad. I mean, that's

2114
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 2: there people right there. Coach, I need I picked my battles.

2115
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2116
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 3: That's twelve hundred pounds, coach. Yeah, that's twelve hundred pounds.

2117
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: Coach.

2118
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 3: Come on, coach, let's name the game and then score

2119
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 3: the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?

2120
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 3: Let's score it? What do we name this game? The

2121
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Electric Gates Game, the Gate of History game, breaking through

2122
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 3: the Gates and Toonio catches Tony game tone catches, Tony game,

2123
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 3: the one to twelve game, the record beaker, beager, beater breaker,

2124
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 3: or something else that you have any of those or

2125
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 3: something else. What do you think we should name this game?

2126
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: Tone open the gates and Let the river flow.

2127
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 2: That was a saying.

2128
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 3: Open the gates and let the river flow game.

2129
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling it, right, No, that was something

2130
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: that was saying in charge of history, like we were saying.

2131
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 2: That's what I got is we open the gates, let

2132
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 2: the breeze flow, open the gate, let river flow.

2133
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: I've already knew that. I don't want to take that.

2134
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: That's like San Diego. They probably be mad.

2135
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 2: I'll try to take that.

2136
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: I like a lot of good ones, like good ones, man,

2137
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: So you got to pick it.

2138
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, breaking through the gates, breaking through the because it

2139
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 2: got so much significance with the name other than just

2140
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 2: the game of football. Well, he broke through the gates

2141
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: of the position, the gates of life, life and then

2142
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 2: reality the touchdown record, right, So that's what I'm saying.

2143
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: That's why I do like that one.

2144
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 3: It's it's a touch hit.

2145
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: You're right, it's a very touchy one.

2146
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this quick break, Let's score

2147
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 3: the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?

2148
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:46,440
Speaker 3: Let's score it? Steaks zero to ten of the Week two,

2149
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen Dolphins versus Chargers game stakes this game one

2150
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 3: through ten decimals.

2151
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: Okay, it was such a iconic moment. Man, probably team

2152
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 2: I would have to say team ten. Yeah, I mean

2153
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: it's the history. This is down there watching sports forever. Man,

2154
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: I've been watching football game some of the stuff that

2155
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: it was getting done. I just couldn't believe I was

2156
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: recipient of it, to be honest with you, man, I'm like,

2157
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 2: I passed this dude, I remember him. I remember I

2158
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 2: remember Charlie Johan, I remember killing. So that's why I'm like, damn,

2159
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm up there with damn. What is this?

2160
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2161
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I'm saying, Like I would say

2162
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 2: that to myself, like, dang, this is crazy.

2163
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,959
Speaker 3: That's right, that's crazy.

2164
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: I remember playing video games with and they were like,

2165
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 2: you run Rocks, just like you run you know who

2166
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: here he ler is. I'm like, yeah, play for the rams,

2167
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 2: like to play video games with them. So you know

2168
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's just.

2169
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 3: Man, steaks ten. I'm gonna score it this regular season

2170
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 3: game a lot of significance. I'm gonna give it an

2171
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 3: eight point eight. The whole time I was thinking, because

2172
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 3: Tonio obviously gives Hall of Fame answer, I was thinking

2173
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 3: the whole time, what you're gonna think when you see

2174
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 3: their score?

2175
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 4: Jack has a two point one. I had a three

2176
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 4: point five A regular season game through the fan perspective,

2177
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 4: but you it's your perspective. There's some legacy stuff here,

2178
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 4: regular first game in Chargers.

2179
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: And then perspectives.

2180
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: Bro expected Star.

2181
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I shouldn't have said team for the simple

2182
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 2: fact we didn't win the game, because that's important to me.

2183
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 4: You can say that for gameplay.

2184
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: The stakes of this game is different. Star power of

2185
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 3: this game a lot of a lot of a lot

2186
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 3: of good players, Hall of Famers stars. Jake Cutler, Jay Cutler.

2187
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stadium was pretty small.

2188
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 2: It's not I'm in Sofi now, So you know that

2189
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 2: star power was you know, you can take the star

2190
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: off and just put power, you know what I'm saying.

2191
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,839
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, this Star was a soccer stadium

2192
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: and we were like sliding around to it.

2193
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 1: Was like a high school state championship game.

2194
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 2: I mean it was like, so I would say, because

2195
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 2: this my team is the only team I play with,

2196
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,759
Speaker 2: so I gotta give it somewhat of a good score.

2197
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 2: But did the star power and that we wasn't you know?

2198
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: I would say, five.

2199
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 3: Man five, that's an integrity score. That's an integrity score.

2200
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 3: Start power for me. I'm gonna go six eight, yeah,

2201
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 3: six eight you still you have you're.

2202
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 4: In there kind of five eight at six to one, yeah, okay.

2203
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 3: Gameplay of the game, how it went back and forth.

2204
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventeen score and then we lost, so that that

2205
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 2: definitely takes some points off of me. We lost. It

2206
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 2: was a tonic moment for myself. But the gameplay itself,

2207
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: we didn't our game plan. We was at home and

2208
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: we lost. That's terrible. I like the fact that y'all

2209
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: put the point eight point two, like y'all got this.

2210
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.

2211
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, dude, we y'all keep saying these

2212
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 2: point six is the point five. I said, let me

2213
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: get on page now, because this is I'm gonna see

2214
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: what I'm a competitor and you know this next I said,

2215
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is so I'm gonna say five three,

2216
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 2: Such a great what I'm saying score, Yeah, you can

2217
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 2: score me.

2218
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go five point four.

2219
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah right, see what I'm saying. Quick Eye just.

2220
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 4: With me and Jack had a six point five on

2221
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 4: this one.

2222
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Make you for pointing something, I said, they know something

2223
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2224
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 3: We got to score. We got to score.

2225
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 4: The name of the game, breaking through the Gates, but

2226
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 4: also cultural legacy. An all time NFL record was broken

2227
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 4: in this game. That's a nice little boost, very big boost.

2228
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,759
Speaker 2: I think the name, like I said, breaking through the gates,

2229
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 2: it's just I think breaking through is the most significant part.

2230
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 2: So I'm saying the position the basketball player transition from

2231
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 2: to a football player. They're taking a chance on a

2232
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 2: free agent. All those things were to me, all me

2233
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: coming to light at that moment. Guys who free agents,

2234
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 2: who can relate. I know what it's like to try

2235
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 2: to make a team, be on special teams. I know

2236
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 2: what it's like to not know if you're gonna get cut.

2237
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 2: I know what it's like to do all those things

2238
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 2: that guys come through that free agency. So I'm you know,

2239
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,719
Speaker 2: I would like the thought of breaking through. I believe

2240
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 2: it's created a whole lane for basketball players because they like,

2241
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 2: wait a minute. He scored more touchdowns than anybody at

2242
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: the position. So now only because you know really doesn't

2243
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 2: like those guys had good careers, but this was like, okay,

2244
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 2: so now we know what we can look for in

2245
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 2: from an aesthetic standpoint and say this can possibly work.

2246
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 2: So that's why I like the fact that breaking through

2247
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 2: because I think the game has been changed. Now every

2248
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 2: time I look up, a tight end can beat you.

2249
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Every time I setching fifty passes was getting you to

2250
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl back then, such and fifty passes to

2251
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: be you It's nothing's going to happen now.

2252
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're lucky to get you'd be lucky to get

2253
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: resigned next year.

2254
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.

2255
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 2: It's like goal line.

2256
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, your goal line was to score though you got

2257
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 3: to score the name, Yes, so the name.

2258
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I liked it.

2259
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 3: It was a great lot.

2260
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:03,719
Speaker 4: That's the most thoughtful answer.

2261
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 2: I think a nine point nine because you can't go

2262
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: past team right. I'm just giving you the decimal to

2263
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: make this right.

2264
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm going nine flat. Going back to your game jacket

2265
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 3: of five.

2266
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 4: Oh and I had a six point one.

2267
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 3: Where does this game put us in all the games

2268
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 3: we've done. It's a six point three six, six point

2269
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 3: three six that puts US.

2270
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 4: Tied for seventy two with the snover Time game twenty seventeen,

2271
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 4: same season Week seventeen Colts versus Bills we did with

2272
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 4: Sean McCoy and just ahead of the Manning seven game,

2273
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 4: Week one of the twenty thirteen season, Broncos versus Ravens

2274
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 4: started that Peyton Manning record season.

2275
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 3: As you can see, this is a little Patriot bias

2276
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 3: through our fans.

2277
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, But I don't know your toucher is. Yeah.

2278
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 2: Now you got the Coltingland Indians in there with five

2279
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 2: number five. You still you still represent Ohio?

2280
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 1: Where are you from?

2281
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Where are you from?

2282
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm from the Bay. I'm a northw cat.

2283
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: So you from the Bay and you hot?

2284
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 2: And so how did you get?

2285
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 3: I went to Juco, I was cat. I played college

2286
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:12,919
Speaker 3: Takoyas in our championship game. Oh and then I transferred

2287
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 3: to Kent. I played quarterback.

2288
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 2: Okay, but you they gave you the reality to be

2289
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 2: you basically yes and so many words. You're like, I'm

2290
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 2: gonna go be here.

2291
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 3: I was starting. I balled out at Juco. I was

2292
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 3: like unanimous MVP of California bullshit, and all these schools

2293
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 3: wanted me to come. I was getting letters from everywhere.

2294
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 3: So this is the first time I was feeling love.

2295
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 3: I was like, hell yeah, but they all wanted me

2296
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 3: to stay another year a juco or a change position

2297
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 3: to receiver, and Kent came knock and they're like, we'll

2298
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 3: let you come compete right now. I was like, fuck it,

2299
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 3: I'm out at the quarterback at quarterback, yeah, because that

2300
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,520
Speaker 3: was my goal. I wanted to play Division one quarterback.

2301
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 3: That was like when I was a kid, It's all

2302
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 3: about going D one Like that was like the thing

2303
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 3: in my crew. We'd all say, man, that ship so

2304
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 3: D one yeah, D one football player.

2305
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2306
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 3: So you So, so you've seen the game very similar

2307
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 3: to your story. I've seen it the grind, like the

2308
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 3: transfering position. I never played receiver in my life.

2309
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 2: Like and then so what Kent State because of Josh?

2310
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: I went to because of Josh? I assuming because he

2311
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 2: was playing like there, that's why I didn't play. Josh

2312
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 2: was running around with the ball like crazy, but he

2313
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: phenomenal football. But I was like, this ain't gonna work

2314
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 2: for me. I got you gotta throw it. You know

2315
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. There was no point of me losing, No,

2316
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I didn't want to be a

2317
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 2: part of something when I was something over here, like

2318
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,759
Speaker 2: I was the team and I mean in college basketball,

2319
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 2: so to go be a part of it. And I

2320
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 2: went and watched him play. Coach P's was there and

2321
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 2: he was They laid the red Carver out and I

2322
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 2: was just like, dude, Josh was running around and I

2323
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: knew he was a good football player, but I'm like, dude,

2324
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 2: this was just running with the ball. He hiked it.

2325
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 2: He running, He's like almost like he's throwing it to himself.

2326
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, because he had to. He had

2327
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 2: to because he was that good. But I'm saying, I

2328
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 2: just remember saying to myself, if.

2329
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: You were out there.

2330
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Probably about fifty times a game.

2331
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably now that I think about it. But at

2332
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 6: the time, running quarterback. So I was running quarterback. I

2333
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 6: love my tight end. But it wasn't a big ass body.

2334
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 6: Oh no, But that's what I'm saying. It wasn't really

2335
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 6: that relevant back then.

2336
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

2337
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, a running quarterback wasn't really

2338
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: the thing. It was the pocket pass us. Right, Yeah,

2339
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 2: there's the statues that set back there. Okay, they're coming

2340
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 2: off this side, we rock it into this side. So

2341
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 2: that's what we got to scan this and get this

2342
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get this ball out quick.

2343
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 3: So that's what they did. So after Josh, they went

2344
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 3: and got this six foot seven pocket quarterback for one

2345
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 3: year and then I came back. Like they didn't do

2346
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 3: very well, yeah, and then I and then that's when

2347
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 3: I came the next year. Yeah, the cribis was like

2348
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 3: two years in the league. Yeah, and then you start

2349
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 3: and we went six and six and like had like

2350
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 3: the best season in school history at six and six.

2351
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: I'm coming from Juco thinking like, damn, this is kind

2352
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 3: of whack. Yeah, because I was playing at like a

2353
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 3: high level. Well, the California Juco system like our fucking fire.

2354
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 3: You played in it. A lot of the dudes are

2355
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 3: just dudes. They didn't have grades or.

2356
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:13,759
Speaker 2: Some of my JUCA.

2357
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,879
Speaker 1: Some of them dudes are better guys than get better players.

2358
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:17,639
Speaker 1: It's so simple.

2359
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 3: I Ken, we went six and six and they were like, yeah,

2360
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck is it? But you know,

2361
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,600
Speaker 3: I love Kent. That was part of my story and

2362
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 3: you're a huge just inspiration and it is so crazy

2363
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 3: to have you here. The very first time we met,

2364
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 3: you were always you were just cool. Getting to talk

2365
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 3: to you and have a conversation right now and doing

2366
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,439
Speaker 3: research on Man, you're fucking hall of famer, just in

2367
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 3: your answers, in your approach, in everything. Man, it's such

2368
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 3: an inspiration to get to have your fellow flash. Yeah, man,

2369
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,799
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on you. You plug anything?

2370
01:46:59,360 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

2371
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 3: You know what we're plugging. We're plugging. Hall of Fame

2372
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Antonio fucking Gates.

2373
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 4: Thanks man, Antonio Gates in the nuthouse.

2374
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 3: He loves basketball.

2375
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if you would No, man, I'm not

2376
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna be hot.

2377
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Take Kyler.

2378
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 4: What I was gonna say. I wonder if you would

2379
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 4: trade a Hall of Fame in the NFL to just

2380
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 4: be an NBA player.

2381
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 3: No, he ain't doing that.

2382
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 4: That's why I stopped. That's why I was gonna say.

2383
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 3: He's not doing that. Man, He's he's it. He's a

2384
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. His questions, Hall of Fame answers.

2385
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,759
Speaker 4: Yes, dude, crazy to play with those quarterbacks who first touchdown,

2386
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 4: Doug Flutie and then Drew Brees and then Philip Rivers.

2387
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild a freaking I've never met him, but I

2388
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 3: feel like I love him.

2389
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great.

2390
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 4: I loved all the Craft talk, when you guys are

2391
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 4: really getting in the weeds on that.

2392
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 2: I love that shit.

2393
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 3: He's extraordinary, like as an athlete watching his film. And

2394
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 3: then I mean when you deep dive when we you know,

2395
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 3: you watch Antonio in Antonio Prime, it was gnarly. He

2396
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 3: was a monster. And then you know, the Hernandez talk

2397
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 3: was crazy.

2398
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved how he I love when you actually

2399
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,719
Speaker 4: taught Kraft talk with the tight ends, Like it's different

2400
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 4: from the media's perception or fance perspective of like, oh

2401
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 4: it's the here's the top tight end, but there's so

2402
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 4: much nuanced. He's like, Oh, I don't even look at

2403
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 4: those guys because I play a different game. I'm looking

2404
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 4: after this guy because our games are more similar and

2405
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 4: I can learn. That was really interesting to hear.

2406
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we gotta get him, got it. We gotta

2407
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 3: get him back on to do some other game or something. Yeah,

2408
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 3: he lives out here.

2409
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 4: Well, like we gave him a couple of game options.

2410
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,560
Speaker 4: It was kind of hard selecting a game because we

2411
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 4: wanted to do that Elite eight game, which would have

2412
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 4: been sick.

2413
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean he knew all those guys. Yeah, fucking he's

2414
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 3: a good teammate. You could just tell because he was

2415
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 3: a superstar. He was you know, people don't realize when

2416
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 3: you're a superstar. In the locker room, everyone's looking at you,

2417
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 3: and you know, depending what kind of guy you are,

2418
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 3: you could tell he was just a chill ass dude

2419
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 3: that like got his ship in. Yeah, and like he

2420
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 3: pumped he gaslight guys.

2421
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean those Chargers need that from your leader

2422
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 4: with Danian Thomlinson. That gaslight tire, gas up gassing tire,

2423
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 4: pump tire pump, pump, tire pumper, remember from Paul Biz

2424
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 4: the bit like he said, guys, that give you that

2425
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 4: of boys. But in his own cool way, you could

2426
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 4: just tell because he hasn't he had he has an aura. Yes,

2427
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 4: yes he does. He it's at that Hall of fame.

2428
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 4: Or he doesn't need to prove anything, he's already done it.

2429
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2430
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, those Chargers teams were fun and he like really

2431
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 4: spanned like three hours of football too. Like he got

2432
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,679
Speaker 4: into the League. What two thousand and three, two thousand

2433
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,600
Speaker 4: and four, and then was all the way to like

2434
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. He was playing with guys that are still

2435
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 4: in the Chargers.

2436
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 3: Now, Jerry Bosa. Yeah, man, that was fun. Should we

2437
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 3: do this chill Zone? Oh it's time for the Chill Zone,

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Speaker 3: Oh when the Mountain blues and Blue just take a

2441
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 3: look at you. Today, we're reading your fan comments pulled

2442
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 3: straight from YouTube, Apple Reviews, and Spotify, So.

2443
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 4: Leave some because we're going to be putting into the show.

2444
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 4: They also help the engagement of the show, so if

2445
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 4: you want to support the show, leave comments, do some reviews,

2446
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 4: and then you know, as a favor, we'll read them

2447
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 4: on air and have some fun content.

2448
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 3: Hell of fun content.

2449
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:46,560
Speaker 4: Okay, so first first comment, YouTube comment from mirth.

2450
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 3: And we'll have we'll have Kyler read them because my

2451
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 3: redding ability is not that good.

2452
01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 4: Your reading abilities on purpose? Yeah, read it definitely. YouTube

2453
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 4: comment from mirth World.

2454
01:50:58,720 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: That's a.

2455
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 3: How you felt it?

2456
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 4: That's a copy and paste.

2457
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

2458
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 4: If Jeweles didn't play for Belichick. Which coach would you

2459
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 4: have wanted to play for?

2460
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a good question, that's a really good question.

2461
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 3: I would have loved to play for McVeigh. Okay, he

2462
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 3: would have dialed up for now.

2463
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 4: You guys are kind of peers. Do you think that

2464
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 4: would be a different element.

2465
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2466
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 3: No, like me and my prime, Yeah, no, I would

2467
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 3: like to play for him. Andy Reid would have been

2468
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 3: great too.

2469
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 4: That could be fun.

2470
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 3: I mean, just the little interaction I had with Andy

2471
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 3: Reid at practice before the Super Bowl, I could just

2472
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 3: tell he's you feel It's like dogs and pheromones. Football

2473
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 3: guys know, football guys dogs fairomones. I I could feel it.

2474
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 3: He grabbed me and he had a little I saw

2475
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 3: the look in his eye, like competitor look, but like

2476
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 3: fucking like you look. Yeah, and I had the same look.

2477
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 4: You can smell a thousand yards receive, So yeah, I.

2478
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 3: Would say it's crazy offensive. I would have liked. I

2479
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 3: liked the I liked the harrorballs.

2480
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 4: Both both yeah, for their own ways.

2481
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 3: I really do. I like Jim and John John. I

2482
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 3: mean those teams are always tough. They were always tough.

2483
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 3: Teams like those Baltimore teams. Then Jim is like he's

2484
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 3: an offensive guy, but he has It's very rare to

2485
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 3: have an offensive head coach that has toughness just you know,

2486
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 3: it's a part of a mutation.

2487
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2488
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 4: What I love about Jim Harbaugh is he really is

2489
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,679
Speaker 4: that balance between kind of like the old school football

2490
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 4: but also the new age, like more of a players coach.

2491
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 4: He has that He's struck a nice balance there.

2492
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe what about some old school guys Bill Walsh,

2493
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 3: Bill Walsh, I used to work out with him really

2494
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. I hurt my uh I heard,

2495
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 3: hurt my shoulder or something, and I was rehabbing at

2496
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 3: the Reikus Center in Rowood City and a lot of

2497
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 3: Stanford people went to the Riikus Center. It was like

2498
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 3: this human enhancement spot. It was like one of the

2499
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 3: first like speed training, quickness training, acceleration training. But then

2500
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 3: they also had different divisions and different departments kids. You know,

2501
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 3: it was for all kids. But they had an athletic

2502
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 3: department that you enhanced your speed and all your athleticism.

2503
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 3: Then they had like these music departments, and they had

2504
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 3: the acting departments. But they also had physical therapy department,

2505
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 3: and that's where Bill Walsh used to He was rehabbing

2506
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 3: something and I was rehabbing something, and like we very rare,

2507
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 3: like there was a couple of times where we would talk,

2508
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 3: and I wish I remembered more. Yeah, of what because

2509
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 3: I remember we had conversations and it was probably like

2510
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 3: he probably died like five six years later.

2511
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you must have been pretty young too.

2512
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 3: I was like seventeen wo oh okay, sixteen.

2513
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 4: Wow, just like Aura around. Bill Walsh.

2514
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 3: Just smart, smart, like kind of Northern California is smart.

2515
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 3: He reminded me of just like a you could tell

2516
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 3: there's a little goofy tree huggy ish to it. There's

2517
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:22,360
Speaker 3: probably a little eccentric stuff going, but genius how he

2518
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 3: delivered it like Steve Jobs kind of you know, like

2519
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,839
Speaker 3: like a Steve Jobs kind of like is a confidence

2520
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 3: like tough but innovative and like collaborative but still fucking

2521
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 3: tough in.

2522
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 4: His way, and like a quiet confidence to it.

2523
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 3: Quiet confidence.

2524
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: That's what about.

2525
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 4: That's great. I never knew that's so cool.

2526
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I you know, I think about that

2527
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 3: a lot. I wish I would have because I remember

2528
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 3: we had some kind of talks and he you know,

2529
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 3: he ended up passing. I don't know, it could have

2530
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 3: been six or ten years later.

2531
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't you know what.

2532
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I always think, man, I got to talk.

2533
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 3: There was a few times, like there was like a

2534
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 3: couple of weeks where we'd be rehabbing at this same time,

2535
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 3: and I'm rehabbing with Bill Walsh, you know, and I

2536
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, I just wish I was. I wish

2537
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 3: I knew, I wish I had my brain.

2538
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're seventeen, Like you can't like seventeen year olds.

2539
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 3: We did talk some like football stuff though, the West

2540
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 3: Coast and stuff. I think he told me, you know,

2541
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 3: should be the Midwest offense because he was in Cincinnati

2542
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 3: when he developed it.

2543
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 4: Do you think you're kind of like random being from

2544
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 4: Redwood City and that's where the forty nine ers were

2545
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,040
Speaker 4: kind of like you know, set up in their practicacility.

2546
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 4: Do you think there's like kind of like random bumping

2547
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 4: into like the interactions with Jerry Rice at a young

2548
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 4: age and the Bill Walsh is do you think that

2549
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 4: played into your, like anything about your trajectory into the NFL,

2550
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 4: Like just like seeing being around people that have done it,

2551
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 4: or it was around greatness.

2552
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was around a great organization. I

2553
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 3: grew up rooting for an unbelievable organization with a lot

2554
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:50,839
Speaker 3: of success.

2555
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2556
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers at the time were you know,

2557
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 3: they were in the prime of what they were. I mean,

2558
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 3: there's still a there's still a top pier organization now,

2559
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 3: but they were winning these Super Bowls in the eighties

2560
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 3: and early nineties and I was kind of on the

2561
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 3: tail end of that eighties nineties, but like, yeah, the

2562
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 3: Niners had an or around it. I'm sure it's probably

2563
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 3: like the kids that grew up around Patriots kids and stuff,

2564
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, they were the Patriots at

2565
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 3: that time, which could be said now that they were

2566
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs of that time. Yeah, you know

2567
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 3: that there's always that generation and they were that. So

2568
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 3: it's crazy how everything happens for a reason, and you know,

2569
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:34,919
Speaker 3: it's it's life's baffling.

2570
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy sometimes where things kind of mirror or

2571
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 4: like reflect or kind of working in parallels. Interesting, Yeah,

2572
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 4: but no, what about some of these like like the

2573
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 4: people in like the Belichick pathway, like the Bill Parcells.

2574
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 3: Parcels or like a Vincelamb. You know, I'm kind of

2575
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 3: tapped down of that. Yeah, I love I would have

2576
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 3: loved to play for coach Parsa. I'm sure I would have.

2577
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 3: And when you're in it, when you're in it. Yeah,

2578
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 3: Like now I'm sure like taking back, I probably want

2579
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 3: to go somewhere like a Dick for meal.

2580
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: No, not Dick.

2581
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 3: I love dig for meal. But I'd want to play

2582
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 3: with you know, I if it was a coach from

2583
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 3: that generation, it'd be Bill Walsh or maybe Parcells. But

2584
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 3: I feel like I got a taste of Parcels through

2585
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 3: Belichick in a different form of fashion.

2586
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 2: Sure.

2587
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 3: Now, I know they say, you know Parcells was a

2588
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, a team guy. Yeah, but like I've tasted that,

2589
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 3: I would want to taste different coaching, different coaching trees.

2590
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 4: I think that good answer.

2591
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question, Mark, that's a good question.

2592
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. Another YouTube comment from g I Joe three

2593
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 4: seventeen at Games with Names. If jewels could play in

2594
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 4: any game throughout history, who would you want to relive

2595
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 4: the moment through? So pick a game, a game that

2596
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 4: you'd want to play in part of that already happened.

2597
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 4: And then you get to be a player in that game.

2598
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 4: So for bad example, Tom Brady in the fucking Super

2599
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 4: Bowl fifty one. Right, So any game from history.

2600
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 3: Who would you want to be I've already had my moment.

2601
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 4: You would just be you?

2602
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 3: That would be me?

2603
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 4: Which super Bowl? Well, which game?

2604
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 3: Either fourteen or nine eighteen? You got sixteen?

2605
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2606
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 4: I don't feels exhausting.

2607
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 3: Sixteen was crazy, but I didn't really bowl, so your.

2608
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 4: Answer wouldn't be you'd want to be yourself in Super

2609
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 4: Bowl forty nine. It's a cool answer. A lot of

2610
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 4: people could say that, like I'd say I'd want to

2611
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 4: be Michael Ruzioni in a miracle in ice.

2612
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 3: Or nah, yeah, I want to be me those guys

2613
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 3: that had their other way. I mean, oh, I'm satisfied.

2614
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Satisfied.

2615
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 4: Good good answer, great question.

2616
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 3: Another good question.

2617
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 4: But you weren't expecting that answer. But it's a good answer. Okay,

2618
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 4: let's maybe I got one.

2619
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 3: Okay, who's the guy that had the Grand Slam that

2620
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 3: ended a world? To see walk off or something? Wasn't

2621
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 3: there one of.

2622
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:07,839
Speaker 4: Those Gibson I don't great baseball home run Reggie Jackson

2623
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 4: hitting three in one game.

2624
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 3: Like something like the home run. It's not even that,

2625
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 3: it's just the crack of the bat, like you just

2626
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 3: killed the game yourself. There's there was a Yankee that

2627
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 3: I think there was Aaron Boone hit a Grand Slam

2628
01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 3: to like end the Red Sox in twenty thirteen and

2629
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 3: then they ended up winning the World Series that year.

2630
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 3: Something there. Yeah, something like that. There's been that moment

2631
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 3: those I think that like a walk off home run

2632
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 3: in a World Series winning game anyone, that's probably something

2633
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,040
Speaker 3: kind of cool. That's what I remember as a kid.

2634
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 3: There's like three things I used to like imaginate to

2635
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 3: myself with my imagination.

2636
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,920
Speaker 4: As you know, I want to take mine back because

2637
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 4: now that you've gone down that path to have that

2638
01:59:55,880 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 4: like one moment. Bobby orr in the Flying Goal scores

2639
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 4: a goal in overtime to win the Stanley Cup.

2640
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 1: Sick.

2641
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,320
Speaker 4: Then that pictures I haven't I know? Sweet the statue,

2642
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 4: the statue incredible. That's a good one. Another good one.

2643
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 4: Patrick Kane did something similar to His goal wasn't so flashy,

2644
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 4: but he beat the Bruins.

2645
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah know what I mean, Dinger, Bro, you're sitting there,

2646
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 3: crack of the back bat, flip fucking hat throw good

2647
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 3: point fucking everything. Boys are meeting yet the plate? Oh

2648
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 3: miss first, gotta go back. Sorry, you ain't getting me, buddy.

2649
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, shaving cream at the end.

2650
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:42,360
Speaker 3: No, it's old school. Okay, I'm gonna fucking toss a

2651
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 3: beer at home plate. Cors light, cors light shower at

2652
02:00:52,360 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 3: home plate. There's no rules against having alcohol in the

2653
02:00:55,960 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 3: locker room. Base. There's a fucking horseshoe of of dip

2654
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 3: at bat. That's like, that is the one. That is

2655
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,680
Speaker 3: the one thing I would fucking I would.

2656
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 2: Love great love that.

2657
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 3: Could you not imagine that?

2658
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 2: No?

2659
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 4: That be incredible.

2660
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 3: Bases loaded, two houts.

2661
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,879
Speaker 4: And it's in It's in the Colorado Rockies Stadium.

2662
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:24,360
Speaker 3: I don't want that there, but then I wanted to.

2663
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,280
Speaker 3: I want to. I want it in the thick air

2664
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 3: like air. So lets everyone know I had a bomb.

2665
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 4: Okay, good question. Uh We got an Apple review comment

2666
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:40,640
Speaker 4: from bodyguard Kyle. He says love this five stars, Thank you, Sure, Sir.

2667
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 4: Julian Edelman has found his post football niche. Great concept.

2668
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 3: Now is it niche or niche? Me?

2669
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 2: I say niche?

2670
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 3: I say niche?

2671
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 4: Okay, keep going, great concept, great guest, amazing back and forth.

2672
02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 4: Jules is a great house. Huh.

2673
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:56,080
Speaker 3: Thanks.

2674
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 4: If you like sports, this is worth the listen. Well,

2675
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:01,240
Speaker 4: thank you, hu who picked?

2676
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 1: We picked?

2677
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna just you gotta pump our who were a

2678
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:05,560
Speaker 3: fucking gas lighting ourselves?

2679
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 4: I just want people to write Apple. We didn't even

2680
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 4: have a lot of questions in Apple.

2681
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:09,520
Speaker 2: I want people.

2682
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:15,080
Speaker 3: Gas light means you're fueling the fire. Yeah, yeah, you're

2683
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:23,160
Speaker 3: fueling fire. Okay, gaslighting. Dog. Let's get another one.

2684
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:24,760
Speaker 4: It's a good question. Fine, another one from g I

2685
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,520
Speaker 4: Joe three seventeen. He's crushing with questions. What are the

2686
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:30,080
Speaker 4: biggest no nos when it comes to shower etiquette? If

2687
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 4: you forgot soap?

2688
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 3: Well, first off, we were at Gellette. Okay we no

2689
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 3: one forgets soap at Gellette. There's so much soap in

2690
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,440
Speaker 3: that goddamn facility. I mean you could have a bubble

2691
02:02:45,480 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 3: bath from fucking Foxborough to Providence. Uh so you're not

2692
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 3: doing that, But you can't be National geographic bird watching

2693
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:58,640
Speaker 3: in the fucking shower if people see eyes down, If

2694
02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:01,600
Speaker 3: people see eyes down, you'll be red flagged a no

2695
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,080
Speaker 3: fly zone. People will not will stop showering with you.

2696
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 4: So what happens then if you've been red zoned. You

2697
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 4: have to like wait till the end.

2698
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 3: No, you just I mean, you get bullied. This is

2699
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:14,120
Speaker 3: this is this is real America in there. If you're

2700
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 3: doing some weird stuff, you're getting bullied in there.

2701
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 1: What would you like?

2702
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're the bully in this situation.

2703
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:25,680
Speaker 3: You gotta know your room, know your room. Certain guys

2704
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 3: don't play around, Yeah, certain guys do not play around

2705
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 3: with shower jokes.

2706
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably like sec lineman.

2707
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to categorize because linemen or that they

2708
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck usually, Okay, I was fucking Brady Brady.

2709
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 3: He there'd be a we'd have showers, and Brady would

2710
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 3: go in the corner so he could have two shower heads.

2711
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 3: From like when I saw him shower, Yeah, a lot

2712
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 3: of times he took a shower pill. I mean, you

2713
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:56,400
Speaker 3: don't shower, You take a pill and you go you

2714
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 3: go home. But he'd have two shower heads, so he

2715
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 3: there'd be a line be like, Brady, what the fuck

2716
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:04,240
Speaker 3: did you just gonna take two shower heads? Dog?

2717
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:06,840
Speaker 4: How long these long showers? Or is he like in

2718
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 4: and out?

2719
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's got a routine, brings his little pale in.

2720
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 2: It.

2721
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,680
Speaker 3: He's got a backscrub, he's got a face wash, he's

2722
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 3: got an eye lift, he's got a fucking he's got

2723
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:26,200
Speaker 3: feet lotion in that. I think he puts it. He

2724
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 3: had everything. The guy smelled amazing. Oh he I think

2725
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:33,320
Speaker 3: he had lufah and he had like lufah with like

2726
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 3: back lufahs. This guy, this guy, this guy looked like

2727
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 3: Mario the Plumber going into the shower.

2728
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 2: Overall mustache.

2729
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:50,680
Speaker 3: He's got a true.

2730
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:54,160
Speaker 4: All right, good good good question.

2731
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 3: So he's probably gonna hit me up after this if

2732
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:57,720
Speaker 3: he sees this.

2733
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 4: So we don't have to worry about talk. Keep out

2734
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 4: my fragrances, bro. He does smell good though, smells good

2735
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 4: so good. That's the one thing you remember. Okay, let's

2736
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 4: do two more. We've got an Apple review from Bobby

2737
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 4: JS forty four Love this MF show. Gotta get huge

2738
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 4: Niners fan Dan Soder on the show to show off

2739
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 4: a real macho man impression. Love you boys, keep up

2740
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 4: the good works. You know Dan Sotter, great comedian. He's

2741
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 4: actually he's a big forty nine ers guy. He also

2742
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 4: has childhood friends with.

2743
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:30,240
Speaker 3: Where is he from?

2744
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Mike?

2745
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:31,960
Speaker 3: He guy, he's a Bay kid.

2746
02:05:32,360 --> 02:05:35,640
Speaker 4: He's in between Bay and Denver. I think he I

2747
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 4: think his family was like splitting. His dad was in

2748
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 4: the Bay Area and his mom was in Denver. So

2749
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:41,040
Speaker 4: he grew up with Mike McDaniel.

2750
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of them.

2751
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like tight. So he's a huge fan

2752
02:05:47,240 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 4: of sports and wrestling. He's a good pressure. His impressions

2753
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 4: are unreal, Dan, so it would be great. We've actually

2754
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 4: be trying to reach out to him. Dan Soder, come

2755
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:55,120
Speaker 4: on the show.

2756
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:59,520
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know where Macho Man lies in

2757
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 3: the clients, I mean of life, but for pure entertainment,

2758
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:10,160
Speaker 3: I probably dedicate three to eight minutes a day just

2759
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 3: a Macho Man Randy Savage like content a day, every

2760
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 3: three days, every three.

2761
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,560
Speaker 4: Days, roughly twenty minutes of Macho Man content the week, okay.

2762
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:25,880
Speaker 3: On just the stupidest shit. Macho Man in like Italy,

2763
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 3: Macho Man in Switzerland, Macho Man and fucking Iraq. I

2764
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 3: hate him doing the whole thing, Macho Man going like

2765
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:39,720
Speaker 3: Macho Man, fucking floats, flying down the hill, slides, Macho

2766
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 3: Man's snowboardy naked like I watch Macho Man shit. My

2767
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:50,080
Speaker 3: algorithm is so fucked is so and I laugh every time.

2768
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 4: It's a real shame that he died before like social

2769
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 4: media becoming bigger, because imagine the Daily.

2770
02:06:56,720 --> 02:07:01,480
Speaker 3: Directors is alive. But hit the content like I wanted,

2771
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:05,840
Speaker 3: Chuck Norris. I love the one where like the fire

2772
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,120
Speaker 3: the forest, one of the guys about to chain saw

2773
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:10,320
Speaker 3: the thing and he grabs it with his hand. It's

2774
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 3: just Chuck Norris, like, you're not cutting down this tree. Well,

2775
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:19,200
Speaker 3: and there's some ship gotten a wormhole. Go on, Chuck Norris,

2776
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:24,240
Speaker 3: we're on the street in Hollywood. Is Bruce Lee New not.

2777
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,040
Speaker 4: To mess with Chuck?

2778
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:25,960
Speaker 2: Really?

2779
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 3: I want if anyone knows about this, hit the comment section.

2780
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 3: I want to know that was there a hidden fight

2781
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 3: that I may have heard make could be real? Was

2782
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,560
Speaker 3: there a fight or something where Chuck kind of like

2783
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:43,840
Speaker 3: punked them? Now, if I'm fully wrong, this is like

2784
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 3: when I heard you know, this is some like Santa

2785
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 3: Claus isn't real type of stuff.

2786
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Any conspiracy stuff that and aliens get in the comment

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Speaker 3: we should.

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Speaker 4: I think we should start an underground Hollywood fight club.

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02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:05,440
Speaker 3: I think we should try to what fight club. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of these actors know how to fight.

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02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, just get some of these guys gonna.

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02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 3: I go to this boxing gym and I see a

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02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,360
Speaker 3: bunch of these actors in there, and they they know

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02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:17,160
Speaker 3: how to lay law. They're small and they're like not

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02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 3: but there they still fucking tat your ass up.

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Speaker 4: They're resilient.

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Speaker 3: Well, they just they play the role. They go and

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Speaker 3: live the life that they want to play. It's fucking

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed, all right.

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Speaker 4: Last one, last one Spotify comment from Dennis Bowley. I've

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Speaker 4: got a question for Aves. I think he's referring to

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02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 4: top top right, referring to Sean Avery. I got a

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02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 4: question for Aves. Next time you see Peter Berg, tell

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Speaker 4: him we need a Friday night lights but hockey and

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02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:46,200
Speaker 4: Taylor Kitchen.

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Speaker 3: It not a bad idea, But I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: Friday night lights of hockey. So what is it like

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02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:52,360
Speaker 3: Tuesday night?

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Speaker 4: You don't, Yeah, you play games sometimes Wednesday night. We

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02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 4: had a Wednesday and be like.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning hockey.

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02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're there like three you practice of the morning.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. It has to be something that

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02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:04,520
Speaker 3: the hockey.

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02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 4: Actually there's a five am hockey nights.

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02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:10,040
Speaker 3: There's a book.

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02:09:10,080 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 4: Shout out Jay Atkinson, my dad's friend. He wrote a

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Speaker 4: book that's on Friday Lights but about Massachusetts hockey high

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Speaker 4: school hockey.

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Speaker 1: I'm in it.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the book. Taylor Kish is incredible skater. We

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02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 4: already covered this by this point, but I'm into it.

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Speaker 4: He's not the coach that's come back. Oh so he's

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02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 4: Bombay minus the d UI. I don't think they let

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Speaker 4: guys with the US coach teams anymore.

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Speaker 3: Dude, they there hasn't. There's when's has there been a

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Speaker 3: ground baking breaking Hawky miracle? Yeah, miracle is good, probably

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02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:48,200
Speaker 3: last one. Mighty Ducks myx is great. Talk about like

2830
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 3: sports movies with hockey slap shot shot that's in the seventies.

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Speaker 3: We we haven't had one in a good twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Goon was good.

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Speaker 3: I heard about that. Yeah, what's that new show that

2834
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:04,840
Speaker 3: they with La Fire? Sure, I gotta watch that because

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02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:05,680
Speaker 3: that guy was pretty good.

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02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:07,160
Speaker 4: You would really like Shorsy. It's funny.

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02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 3: The guy that Ryan, Terry Ryan, he was fucking good. Yeah,

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02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 3: he's got a great sona. I don't know if that's

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02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:15,840
Speaker 3: his character, that's who he is, but he was playing it.

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Speaker 4: A little both. Yeah, that show's great.

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02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:18,440
Speaker 2: You should watch it.

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02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:20,400
Speaker 4: It's only like it's Canadians, so there's only like six

2843
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 4: episode seasons, so you can watch it all in like

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02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:23,720
Speaker 4: three days. Good show.

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02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 3: Canadian only do six episodes.

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02:10:26,440 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Canadian TV is a lot more like English TV

2847
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 4: than our TV, so they only do like, hey, let's

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02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:34,600
Speaker 4: seasons like tight, nice and tight. So the show's been

2849
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:36,280
Speaker 4: on this like four seasons, but there's only like twenty

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Speaker 4: five You.

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02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:38,560
Speaker 3: Mean they don't go to America way where we drag

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02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:40,640
Speaker 3: it out for sixteen weeks so we can get more

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02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 3: money from it. Yeah, amateurs idiots.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's good. There's a lot more that we didn't

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02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:50,840
Speaker 4: talk about. We should because these are great good segment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a fun segment. Make sure you guys

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Speaker 3: keep on sending the stuff in Apple podcasts, YouTube and

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02:10:57,880 --> 02:10:59,840
Speaker 3: Spotify comments.

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Speaker 4: We do YouTube premieres now, so there's like a live

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02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 4: group chat. So when we release the full length shows

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Speaker 4: both Games and Dudes three pm Eastern and noon Pacific.

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02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 4: Me and Jack are in the comments. You've been in

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Speaker 4: there one time too, just answering questions.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of blast.

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Speaker 4: Were putting on the show.

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Speaker 3: Well that was chill Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Great, great segment and that was the Chill Zone.

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