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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. What's new in the world to Tarot cards?

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Speaker 1: Mister art, You know, there's nothing new in the world

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Speaker 1: of tarot because taro is ageless. It's always current and contemporary.

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Speaker 1: Yet we don't even know where it comes from. You

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Speaker 1: know it it appeared in Europe in the fourteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: But how it got there is still a mystery to

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Speaker 1: tarot scholars. Many theories. But so I wouldn't say there's

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Speaker 1: there's anything new in the Tarot world. It's it's always now.

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Speaker 1: When we take calls next half hour, you're gonna do

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Speaker 1: some Tarot card readings for people. Of course, all right, folks,

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Speaker 1: get ready because this is once in a lifetime. Plus

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Speaker 1: we got to get your back for a full show too.

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Speaker 1: It would be great. Yeah, I love it. Do the

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Speaker 1: do the Tarot cards. See this mess world in right now.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm glad you asked, because right before I

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Speaker 1: went on, I did a reading which I haven't right

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Speaker 1: in front of me about um. You know, the question

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Speaker 1: was a general question about the pandemic or the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: and I just put it out to the taro to

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Speaker 1: see what that would come back from the oracle, the

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Speaker 1: tarot oracle. It was very interesting to me what came back,

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Speaker 1: because what always comes back with my readings from Taro

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Speaker 1: at least is a spiritual guidance, a message from the

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Speaker 1: Taro that says, let's go below all the mass drama.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to have to admit if things are

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily anxiety provoking across the world right now, but the tarotu,

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Speaker 1: the Tarot tells us go underneath it and see what

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Speaker 1: are the essentials that will help you maintain your sanity

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Speaker 1: during an insane time and era that we live in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even if you get vaccinated, apparently you can

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Speaker 1: get this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's like there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no sure thing. There's nothing certain. It's a

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Speaker 1: very challenging, challenging time. You know. I'm as you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a clinical psychologist in my day job and I

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Speaker 1: see thirty five patients a week in throughout California, and

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Speaker 1: the anxiety levels are at an all time high, you know,

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Speaker 1: is certainly in my practice, and it can't help but

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Speaker 1: not be There's just you know, it's getting you every

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Speaker 1: which way. You know, it's getting you in the you

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Speaker 1: know in the pocketbook, it's getting you in health, that's

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Speaker 1: getting you in you know, the climate, christis anxiety levels

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Speaker 1: are at record point points. Now, what's that. Anxiety is

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Speaker 1: just way up there. Anxiety is extremely high. Um, Yet

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Speaker 1: at the same time, the same kind of perennial advice

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Speaker 1: having to do with, okay, calm calm down, and get

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Speaker 1: back in touch with the core values that you have

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Speaker 1: that make your life purposeful and make each day something

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Speaker 1: that you look forward to and that you are still

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Speaker 1: growing and kind of kind of getting kind of getting

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Speaker 1: a little sane underneath the insanity. Let's get back to

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Speaker 1: what's what's important. Even though I understand we could get very,

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Speaker 1: very carried away by all the chaos around us, the

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Speaker 1: tarot always says, no, let's let's get quiet and look

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Speaker 1: at more like a soul level of ourselves in the

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Speaker 1: midst of the chaos. Aren't how many cards are in

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Speaker 1: a tarot deck? Okay, a traditional tarot deck has seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: That's fifty two, actually fifty six from the minor Arcona

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Speaker 1: playing cards are basically the minor arcana plus four cards

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Speaker 1: an extra court card the nights. So there's the minor arcona.

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Speaker 1: Those are more about we could say domestic problems, everyday problems,

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Speaker 1: relationship problems, personality issues. And then there's in the Taro.

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Speaker 1: There's a twenty two cards in my deck George TNP

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Speaker 1: which I created. I've added five more, so there's twenty

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Speaker 1: seven cards. These are the essential teachings. These are maybe

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Speaker 1: you could say the higher keys. They traditionally have been

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Speaker 1: called trumps, but for various political reasons, I've eliminated that

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Speaker 1: And some could think of them as the archetypes of transformation.

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Speaker 1: These are the core blueprints of the human mind to

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Speaker 1: and these are like the blueprints of what a whole,

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Speaker 1: complete human being is basically striving for or evolving towards.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the major cards are now and the

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Speaker 1: readings that I'll do tonight, I just use major cards

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Speaker 1: I see, and you pull them for people, right, I will.

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Speaker 1: Ordinarily in readings I like my my, you know, my

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Speaker 1: queer to pull it doesn't matter at all, But they

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Speaker 1: their fault, right you pulled the cards. You know, if

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Speaker 1: who pulls it ultimately, um, it's all guided by the

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Speaker 1: you know, the synchronicity of the moment. What appears in

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Speaker 1: if just for this moment, it's worth reflecting upon. Well,

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Speaker 1: with art Russian Garden, we're going to be reading your

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Speaker 1: hard though. Why does it work? Good question? The short,

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Speaker 1: simple answer is synchronicity. Now, synchronicity is a very interesting construct.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was first really articulated by Carl Jung

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Speaker 1: in his introduction to the Chinese Book of Changes, the

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Speaker 1: eachin which may be familiar with. In trying to understand

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Speaker 1: the phrase synchronicity, which means a causal It's not cause

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Speaker 1: and effect, a causal connection through meaning it's not like

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Speaker 1: something makes it happen. It's not like a magical power

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Speaker 1: kind of energy force that's drawing you to a particular

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Speaker 1: card that would be causal. Causational, it's a causal. It

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Speaker 1: basically you suspend your rational side and open up your

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Speaker 1: intuitive side. When you open up your intuitive side, things

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Speaker 1: that appear just synchronistically or magically, we could use that

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Speaker 1: you just say, yeah, Now, if you have your rational

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Speaker 1: you know, formal operation intellectual hat on you, you'll go

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Speaker 1: into one of these, well why does it work? And

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Speaker 1: what if a different card showed up? And um, you know,

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Speaker 1: objective scientific thinking process doesn't work in this oracle work.

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Speaker 1: You have to suspend those types of questions and place

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Speaker 1: supreme trust in what appears in the moment, the patterns

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Speaker 1: and typically there's a lot of meaning that's released that

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Speaker 1: can be highly impactful. When we look at astrology, we

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Speaker 1: to work for a lot of people. Our tarot cards

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Speaker 1: and no. It depends on what kind of astrology you are.

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Speaker 1: I believe there are many astrologers that go use astrology

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Speaker 1: the same way I use Tarot. They view it not

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Speaker 1: It's pictures that are powerful, and it's right in your

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Speaker 1: the same core ideas and directions, but each reader would

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Speaker 1: They would generally the receiver would come away with a

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Speaker 1: with another. Why is there a death card? Well, I've

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Speaker 1: that we were all immortal, George, we never even need

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Speaker 1: a death card, but a few Well, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're going to die, yes, it does, it does. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're all going to die, George. Well you know that.

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Speaker 1: Taro doesn't tell you the time. I don't make predictions

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Speaker 1: in that way. What Taro does it shows you the

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Speaker 1: essential realities, you know, say death, death. And in this

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Speaker 1: death card. Then in that in that space, in that

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Speaker 1: How this tremendous and how did you get involved in

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Speaker 1: this art? I would believe it or not. In a

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Speaker 1: was also a taroist, and she taught a seminar on

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Speaker 1: I saw, my goodness, these cars, these symbols are so powerful.

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Speaker 1: They are such an obvious tool to be used in psychotherapy,

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Speaker 1: and that became my whole direction in life. I've written

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Speaker 1: remember that, Yeah, in your website if I remember, because

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Speaker 1: I don't have it right here, it's art Rosengarten dot com, isn't.

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Speaker 1: I will get you there or simply Moonlight Counseling dot com.

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Speaker 1: I remember, for hours since St. Louis, I'd have you

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Speaker 1: doing tarot card readings. That was so much fun. Gosh,

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