WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show - LIVE from Miami with Bitcoin Zay 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.719 Hey, welcome back to another episode of The Mark Moss Show, 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.199 where we talk about the intersection of politics, finance, and technology, 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.160 which of course is bitcoin. We're talking about the decentralized 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.119 revolution that the world is going through. I am coming 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.400 to you from South Beach, Miami, Florida. I am here 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.320 for the Bitcoin two conference. It is going off. We 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.599 got forty people are expected to be here. Man, it's 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.680 growing fast. I am sitting down with Bitcoin's a You 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.080 can find him on Twitter at bitcoin z z a Y. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.040 We're talking with Isaiah. He is the whole, or the author, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.440 i should say, of the number one best selling book, 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:42.920 Bitcoin and Black America. What's up, a h. We actually 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.280 met in person for the first time in Miami. I 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:50.280 think it was December. Was it December of last year? November? Yeah, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.040 we're at Michael Saylor's house having a barbecue. That was 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:59.160 pretty good. That was pretty good. Uh, you're a Scott Milcher, right. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.040 I think he's around here around here somewhere. I'm supposed 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.200 to see him. Haven't seen him yet. Yeah, shout out 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.319 to Scott. Thanks for the invite. Great speaking with Sailor 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.360 and everybody. So yeah, that was cool. So it's a 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.320 bitcoin in Black America. Why you got to write a 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.600 book on that, because I wanted my community to make 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.720 sure we're a part of the new digital revolution and 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.440 we don't miss it the opportunity to build like we 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.320 did during the Internet age. I mean, my parents, uh, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.240 and a lot of my older relatives, they didn't take 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.479 the Internet serious and they had the opportunity to build. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.240 The nineties just kind of let it pass by. So 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.360 this time around, bitcoin is going to be mainstream, so 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.480 the black community has to be involved. That's all it is. 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.200 And one of the main things in our community that's 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.240 always been discussed as equal opportunity. What's more equal than bitcoin? 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.680 More work you put in more, big point, you get 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:54.120 better a life long time. Yeah, so you know I 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.480 preach the same thing, right Like I've for for a 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.760 dozen years. I've been researching transfers because two thous I 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.720 got my butt kicked and I lost all my wealth 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.920 and I found out all my wealth transferred to somebody else. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.480 I didn't like that. So I've been studying these you know, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.360 phenomenons of wealth transfers, how they work, what events set 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.079 set them up obviously, um, and you know volatility of 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.959 the markets like in two thoight causes it, but also 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:23.160 like new technology, to your point, there's a good opportunity here. Um. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.840 And you you mentioned equal opportunity. I mean everyone has 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.480 the opportunity to jump in and jump in. It's open source, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.880 it's permission list. Nobody needs permission, right, so everybody can 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.079 just jump in and take advantage of it. Um, So 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.440 it is an equal opportunity for everybody. Um. Do you 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.440 think that the black community needs like a special invite that, like, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:42.959 I mean, don't we just want to tell everybody that's 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.160 equal opportunity to jump in? Uh? I wish it was 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.320 that way. Theoretically speaking, everybody should just get the message. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.240 But practice a lot of times seeing a black face 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.920 it gets them more open to listening. And it's it's 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.960 sort of disheartening that people can't just get the information 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.519 and get it. But I understand how people work. So 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.680 what we saw was in two thousand nineteen black community 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.520 was least likely to use Big one in crypto and 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.560 then recent pole now we're more likely this year, which 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.880 I believe over the past few years, a lot of 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.519 the changes in the economy, COVID, a lot of the 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.160 market stuff started pushing towards big play more so I 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.320 realized that's what was needed. And of course long term 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.919 it's for everybody. So the message is gonna be Yeah, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.680 it doesn't matter about race, religion, social status. But I 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.720 think these groups that were, you know, basically divided into 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.639 whatever subsection you put yourself into, they need a good 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.720 Bitcoin message, not the number go up, get rich tomorrow scheme. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.760 So yeah, it's certainly nice to have somebody that you 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.120 can identify with. You know, I'm I'm. I grew up 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.240 racing dirt bikes. I love racing dirt bikes, and one 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.480 of the best dirt bike racers in the world. James 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.360 Stewart is a black guy, you know, and uh, you know, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.600 once he got in and he he was the best. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.640 I mean, he was insane, and you know, then it 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.000 just I think, you know, other black people, but I said, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.640 oh well we can do that too, right and stuff. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:02.200 So there's some of that. So I get that and 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.840 no different than any other you know, women, the same thing, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.280 right if a woman can do it, like other women 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:07.560 are like, oh shoot, if they can do what I 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.040 can do too, So I guess the same thing there. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.800 I can also say to the media, does a good 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.320 job of the portrayal of the bitcoin community being only 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.120 white males, and they use that as like a negative. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.720 It's only white white males getting it's even exclusive, the 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.440 same exclusive club white males a getting rich again and 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.599 nobody else is in the market, which is um, that 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.200 is not something that is even remotely close. We have 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.360 a global market. Uh, And somehow the media message is 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.720 still the same. It's a bad evil white man taking 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.560 over again. And yeah, a little uh, a little disheartened 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.919 thing about that too. So yeah, let's talk about that 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.960 for a minute. Um, you're listening to the Mark Ma Show. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.560 I'm sitting down with bitcoin z A. I'm talking with 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:50.480 Isaiah the author of Bitcoin Black. What was it Bitcoin 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.200 in Black America? Sorry, Bitcoin in Black America. Um, we're 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.520 talking about bitcoin. We're at the Bitcoin conference in Miami. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.000 But um, let's go back to just you know, the 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.479 black and white thing or what not even black and white. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.280 Just we're in a world today of identity politics and 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.280 they're trying to break us down by our identities. So 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.400 to your point, um, it's uh, you know, white men 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.400 to your point in bitcoin, but maybe two women is 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:17.039 just men in bitcoin. So it's like whatever they can divide. Hey, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.480 men versus women, white men versus black men, gay men 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.240 versus straight men, I mean like religious, non religious, I 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.120 mean all of that still use the same subsections to 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.120 divide us up and then there and then they're trying 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.000 to break us down to the lowest common that. I'm 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.720 very well, it's like, well, I'm a woman, who, I'm 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.680 a black woman, who I'm a gay black woman. Well, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.320 I'm like, just keep it, just keep it going, you know. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.800 But um, but I like to say that we don't 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.760 align on identities, relign on values exactly right. You agree 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.599 with that absolutely, and I think more people need to 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.200 understand that that is how has always been. It's just 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.719 on the surface level. People have used those inviders to 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.320 put us in the groups. But once you get into groups, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.280 you realized, I don't know, agree with these everybody, And yeah, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.080 so you have to identify with people. I identify with bitcoinners. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.880 That's pretty much it. And we identify with different groups 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.240 at different times. So I'm a surfer, so sometimes I'm 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.520 in my surfing group, but I don't agree with everybody 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.000 in on a surfing group, and I'm there because we 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.400 align on surfing. And then you know here, I'm in 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.960 a Bitcoin group and I'm align with these guys in 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.000 but I don't align with them on everything. And then 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.480 later I'm gonna go back and be in a California group. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.479 And is that what should be thank for yourself? You 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.279 don't have to, you know, be a part of the 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.800 crowd and oh we all agree together and the whole 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.159 the bubble people put themselves in where everybody agrees, we're 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.240 here for this, we agree on this. Cool, and then 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.760 move on. Yeah. Yeah, do you think uh, I mean, 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.640 do you think that message has really been getting exaggerated 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.440 me and really trying to break us down from identities 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.120 you said? I think you said earlier like that's how 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.799 it used to be. Uh as far as the identity, well, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.400 in my mind, that's how it used to be because 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.480 I don't see any oppression stopping anybody from anything. Uh. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.320 It may be a little harder for you, maybe a 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.200 little easier for some people, but there's nothing stopping you today. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.120 And I think that's the biggest message people need to get. 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.640 And the media is constantly trying to tell, uh, tell 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.200 people why they're oppressed, but why they can't do something, 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.080 which is the opposite message. You should be giving people. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.320 I'm telling people why they can succeed and why you 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.280 do have equal opportunity. No more excuses. So what you're 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.440 gonna do now? And uh, I want to shout out 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.480 to Mark you, but I remember he did a interview 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.040 in the two thousands. He said the reason why I 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.160 have a state of the art locker room with TVs 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.800 and the best So no more excuses. I don't want 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.440 to hear. We can win the championship. You have everything. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.480 You have the best doctors, you have the best medical staff, everything, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.559 So no more excuses. And that's that's where I'm at now. Yeah. So, UM, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.520 you have in front of you right there my new 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.520 book I just wrote with Alex Fetzki. It's called The 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.720 Uncommunist Manifesto. So we took the Commons Manifesto we wrote 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.720 it called the Uncommunist Manifesto. And in the Communis Manifesto 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.600 Carl Marks um, By the way, if you're listening to 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.080 check out Uncommunist dot com. We're still in the book 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.120 launch you can support UM Uncommunist dot com. But in 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.640 the original Commons Manifesto, Carl Marks talks about UM dividing 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.960 people by two classes, rich and poor, proletariat and boo 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.520 UZI I don't know what the definition is of rich 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.680 and poor, Like, at what point do you cross into 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.800 the booze bussie? And then if I happen to fall 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.560 into that kind of what does that automatically mean I'm 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.680 an oppressor? Like like, you just worked hard to make 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.320 a lot of money, you must be person. Yeah, now 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.560 I gotta be like like, but but at what point, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.280 like you know what I mean? Like Biden says, they 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.760 won't attacks of a four thousand, but if you live 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.880 in like southern California, four in thousand doesn't go as 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.920 far as it does in Kansas, for example. Right, So 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.160 it's like, uh so dividing, dividing these things. But back 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.360 to kind of this identity, they break it down and 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.600 then they make the in in the comin ofesto, they 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:40.600 make the oppressed, the proletariat victims. You can't get ahead 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.760 because of these evil capitalists. You have nothing to offer 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.560 to the market. They say that the proletariat has nothing 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.839 to offer but their labor, and their labor won't ever 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.360 turn into capital. So hey, it's not your fault. You 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.760 don't have anything to offer. All you have is your labor, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.400 they don't value that, and it's just like victim victim, victim, 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.640 victim victim, you know, and it's like, so if we 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.719 don't go take from these guys, then what are you 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.360 gonna do? And so that's really how they frame that up. Um, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.240 you're listening to the Mark mos Show. I'm sitting down 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.920 with Isaiah Uh. You can find them on Twitter at 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.800 Bitcoin's a that z A. Y is the author of 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.679 the book Bitcoin and Black America, number one best selling book, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.840 so you should check it out Bitcoin in Black America. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.640 We're coming to you from the Bitcoin conference in Miami 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.840 about forties thou people are descending here. Um, we got 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.880 a lot more to dig into with bitcoin Esa when 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.319 we get back in a second, So do not go away, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.360 all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Mark 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.680 Moa Show. We're talking about the intersection of politics, finance, 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.600 and technology, which of course is bitcoin, and it is 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.760 taking us into the decentralized revolution. The entire world is 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.520 changing as we speak, right before very eyes. We're talking 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.880 about before the break, this identity politics. Isaiah Bitcoin's wrote 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.440 this book, Bitcoin and Black America, and we're talking about 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.760 some of this identity politics. Um, and it coincides with 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.880 this book that I just wrote, which is the Uncommunist Manifesto, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.120 because um, Karl Marks in the original Commons Manifesto also 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.400 kind of started this identity politics if you will. Um, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.160 it wasn't black and white, it was rich and poor. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.360 But it's kind of the same thing. Um. One of 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.520 the things that Alex and I addressed in that book 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:16.920 was why is that book? Why is that ideology so attractive? Then? Uh, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.120 like you know, it's a hundred and seventy five years 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.239 and it just like the book won't go away like, um, 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.360 but it it. Why do you think ideas like identity 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.319 politics victimhood if you will are so attractive to certain 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.560 groups of people. Well, it's easier to complain and basically 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.600 say there's no way out and then say, well, everything 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.920 is somebody else's fault. It's always easier. It's easier to 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.000 be lazy that we just know how that is. That's 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.320 it exactly, And I've never really seen people work hard 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.360 and not succeed. It may take a little longer, Like 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.640 I said before, maybe some people had it easier, but 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.200 I don't see whether division and classes at division and 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.760 race how that is the reason why you're not succeeding. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.880 That's that's that's market. Uh So, No, granted some people 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.719 might have it harder than others. We all we're all 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.240 dealt with different hands, exactly. Yes, And I think when 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.160 you see some of the international problems that we've seen 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.560 in other countries, you start to compare yourself. You're the 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.840 top ten percent if you have a car in the house, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.320 I mean basically the top ten per cent of the world. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.880 So it's it really depends on how you look at it. So, um, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.719 I think that's easy. That's the low hanging fruit. Just 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.319 tell people they're victims and you don't have to ever 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.080 deal with them trying to succeed. Tell people they can succeed. Now, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:25.880 all of a sudden, you have way more competition and 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.840 people who are actually confident in their abilities. So a 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.360 lot of times I think that's being used to suppress 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.920 people's mindset, which that's really all it takes is a 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.280 change of mindset to say I want to succeed, and 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.320 then once you have that, you have generations of people 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.840 telling them, oh, yeah, you can't succeed anyway, you can't 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.960 make it out of here anyway. So yeah, unfortunate, but 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.679 it does happen. I think that's a big reason that's 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.440 still going on. Yeah. Yeah, people just like to be 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.040 that victim. So if we bring this back to bitcoin 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.680 and back to your book, Um, so you're really encouraging 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.640 empowering black people, like, hey, this is opportunity. You have 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.000 any co opportunities permission list, everyone can join, you know, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.680 get in, really get this wealth and benefit from that 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.920 wealth transfer. Um, which I like. So, Um, how's that 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.520 been received. It's been It's been pretty good. I have 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.840 had some pushback from a lot of people who it's 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.160 unfortunately some people don't want to be free. Yeah, it's 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.120 too much work. You can show somebody freedom and they'll 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.240 still say no, simply because they have to put work in. Uh. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.959 And unfortunately, we're starting to see people, uh use other 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.080 reasons why they don't like bitcoin, Like for the first 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.040 time ever, the environmental things started coming up amongst people 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.880 that I've been on book tour and seen. So that 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.600 maybe just another reason why they don't want to get 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.120 into it or don't understand it. But it's been well received. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.600 I had a book tour nationwide. Um, and I really 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.200 only have one person argue with me. It was funny. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.360 By the end of argument, he already told me that, well, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.400 I do own bitcoin, but I just wanted to go 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.080 back and forth. All right, well, but I have I 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.200 have seen it. I have seen the media angling bitcoin 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.000 where it's you know, to your point you made earlier, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.240 just like white you know, old white rich guys kind 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.760 of thing or whatever. Um do you think if they 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.280 position it like that, then the black community wouldn't want 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.199 to adopt it, like, oh, it's for them, Like, we're 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.400 not gonna do that kind I think that's the play. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.480 The chasm I'm waiting for is the fact that the 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.200 Democratic Party we vote like in our community, that's the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.560 party that's pushing that bitcoin is not available for minorities, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.880 or that it's environmental issue, or that is going to 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.200 cause uh or that is causing inflation, whatever they can 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.040 use to keep communities out of bitcoin, which is hilarious 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 because if you say you're for the people that voted 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.520 for you, why don't you push that message? So that 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.480 chasm is coming soon. There's a lot of black people 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.360 who understand that message is intcorrect. We have the information 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.200 there now, and that's gonna be interesting to see. I 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.280 think the next primary people are gonna start looking at 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.800 more people who have pro bitcoin. And it's on both 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.959 sides of the aisle. So yeah, it's really more about 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.000 economics at this point. Yeah, we've seen a lot of 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.840 very prominent black athletes, um come out like heavy pro bitcoin. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.360 There was Wrestle of Kong. I think he was like 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.600 the big one. He was really pushing in. But here 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.200 at the bitcoin conference we have Serena Williams, Um, she 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.760 needs no introduction, and she's in investing into these big 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.079 wain companies. And then um, what's his name, the other 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.280 football or the Odell Beckham, Odell Beckham, he's here and 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.160 so we're starting to see that that's got to be helping. 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.120 I would imagine a lot. Yeah, definitely with marketing. Uh, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.520 people look up to athletes, they look up to entertainers. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.720 When they say it, they listen to them. But one 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.400 thing I would like to change in the black community 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.880 is that our quote unquote leaders are just entertainers and 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.480 people play sports. That's one thing I don't see a 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.800 lot in other communities. Or is that is that? Is 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.960 that true? Though? I mean we had a black president, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.200 we have a black vice president. I mean exactly, Well 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.760 that's what I'm talking about what we consist stereotypically, what 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.880 we consider the people who influence the youth. And by 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.560 that I mean it's it's not a lot of businessmen, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.240 it's not a lot of authors and economists in the 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.280 black community that are held that high right right right, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.760 the community themselves are looking more up. And that's what 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.920 I would like to shift, is that real thought leaders 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.040 and the people changing things are at the top. That's 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.320 what you're listening to. And then entertainment, sports whatever, they're cool. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.360 But unfortunately for right now, if you know Jay Z 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.160 or if somebody who's you know, pretty popular community says it, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.080 their word is bigger than somebody like myself, which again 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.120 I've been in the space almost ten years, and uh, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.600 you know, some of these famous people are just getting 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.440 in just now. You don't even know how to explain 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.400 anything to you. So hopefully that changes, but it is 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.600 needed because that is where we are right now. People 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.080 who look at social media and TV all times, so 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.320 that's what they look up to. So let's talk about 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.520 bitcoin a little bit and then back to the tie 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.360 back to the black community. But um, a lot of 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.080 times people look at bitcoin and and uh, well you 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.840 mentioned like um, entertainers and athletes, right, so like, um, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 it seems like uh, and not specifically black community or 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.200 any any in identity, but just overall in the United States, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.760 we're really starting to like demonize rich people like, oh, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.560 Jeff Bezos, he's you know, he's greedy, he's a crook 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.720 or Elon Musk or whatever. Right, and we're demon demon 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.080 is enriched people. But then like in sports, like Lebron 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.800 James is like the best basketball player or whatever, and like, uh, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.479 nobody demonizes Lebron James for being so good at basketball 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.880 making a bunch of money. So what do you think 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.520 the difference is, Like, why would somebody demonize, uh, someone 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.359 making a lot of money but not someone who dominates. Similarly, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.000 but in sports, I think it's the thought process that 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.440 the rich should be giving back to whoever whoever doesn't 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.240 have it. It's this thought process. I think the media's 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.080 brain watched people into thinking that the wealth someone else 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.760 has should be redistributed, much like the communist original Communist 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.360 Manifesto was saying, and that if it isn't that they're evil, 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.360 people do in reality the money. You know, what about 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.440 Lebron James, he's super rich. Oh yeah, yeah, and I 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.120 don't get I mean, people like it because I think 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.120 they think he deserves it because he's the best of 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.320 what he does. But they don't look at Jeff bezos Hays, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.440 the Lebron James for his industry or other CEOs as 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.000 the Lebron James. They don't know how much work they 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.000 put in in order to get to that point. Uh. 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.680 They see him on TV, and I think that's more 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.600 of the differences that oh, he's on TV, he's famous, 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.480 he should have this money, and then when somebody else 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.320 achieves something gets to billion their status, Uh, they usually 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.040 thinks himself, well, you had to step on somebody to 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.920 get there, or you had to do something the furious Unfortunately, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.200 you know, I hope that's not people stop for us 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.600 this long term. But I think the rich have always 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.520 been looked at, is hated because a lot of the 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.879 Communist Manifesto has been pushed that thought process throughout education system. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.320 I always hate the rich, even if you become one 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.280 of them. Uh, even if you become rich, people are 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.680 apologizing unless unless you're Jay Z or your Lebron James, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.640 then they're not hated. And Jay Z is a billionaire. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.800 No one's hating him over it. People like you, Yeah, yeah, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.280 I well, you know, one is like you said, looked 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.080 up to um. One is not right, one is more famous, 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:29.960 one is not. One drives culture, one doesn't. I have 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.760 my own ideas about that. I'll tell you what I 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.080 think about it that in a minute, and we'll bring 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.639 it back to bitcoin, because I think it's an important 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.679 piece that I think bitcoin can fix. And like a 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.240 lot of other things, you're listening to the Markma Show, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.840 I am sitting down with Isaiah bitcoin zas the author 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.480 of Bitcoin and Black America, and we are coming to 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:51.119 you from Miami Beach, Florida right now for the Bitcoin Conference. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.800 About forty thou people coming into town for this. It 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.880 is growing fast. We talked about early on if you're 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.720 with us, Isaiah was talking about how this is a 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.040 big opportunity for black of my it's a big opportunity 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.920 for everybody. UM. And it is still early, so you 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.640 haven't missed your chance. Um, if you haven't bought some bitcoin, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.120 I have five dollars worth. Buy five dollars worth. You're 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.919 gonna spend more than that on lunch. Get in, but 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.480 don't go away. We'll be right back with more. All right, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.520 welcome back. You are listening to the Mark Mo Show. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.080 We're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about the decentralized revolution 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.439 that is happening all across the world as we speak. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.639 It's literally changing the world before varies. I'm coming to 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.320 you from Miami Beach from the Bitcoin Conference two and 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.040 I'm sitting down with Isaiah we're talking with he's on 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.600 Twitter at Bitcoin's a author of Bitcoin and Black America. 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.320 And before the break, we're kind of talking about it's 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.160