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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's This is a Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com alongside Jeff Fiegels Am Lance Medo.

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Speaker 1: So glad you could join us as we are getting

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Speaker 1: you set for the Combine and Free Agency over the

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Speaker 1: next sixty minutes. We want to remind you Big Blue

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Speaker 1: is a special edition of the program. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: take any phone calls. We're gonna have a special guest,

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Speaker 1: Judy Batista. Correct a little bit later on in the program.

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Speaker 1: She's covering the Competition committee in Indianapolis at the Combine,

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into that as well as some NFL headlines,

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Speaker 1: news and notes. Jeff, it's been quite some times, especial

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Speaker 1: because indeed, how is everything fine? Fine? It just got

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Speaker 1: off the plane from Miami and uh, much better weather

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Speaker 1: so I was able to go down and visit my

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Speaker 1: son Zack, and uh we went down there, sorry, taking

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Speaker 1: my stuff off my headphones here. Well, you're multitasking, which

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Speaker 1: is always a talent that never were for you because

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Speaker 1: But no, it was good. I went down there to

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Speaker 1: visit him and we were kicking a little bit, playing

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Speaker 1: a little bit of golf and it's it's all good.

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Speaker 1: So now back to Reality degrees and Big Blue Kickoff.

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Speaker 1: But a lot going on in the Giant land here.

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Speaker 1: You know, the combine is starting. So the brass is

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Speaker 1: down there, not not to Tino, and they're but they're not.

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Speaker 1: They're not the brass, but they think they're the brass.

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Speaker 1: Well I was gonna but they're gonna give us, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of insight on what's going on. And um,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's fun to talk about. It's a great

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Speaker 1: time of the year. You know, football is kind of

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Speaker 1: we're getting to the points where we're not going to

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Speaker 1: get a little analysis on these guys and it's important

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Speaker 1: that these guys do good. And most importantly, the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, is probably the one that is the

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Speaker 1: most up in the air because this class this year

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Speaker 1: is really you know, there's it's not like last year,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of unknown. So I said it

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Speaker 1: this last week on the Show with John is that.

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Speaker 1: To me, the most important part about the combine for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys is the measurables. It's not

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Speaker 1: that it's talking with them their height, their weights and

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Speaker 1: some of the things that they do. Um to me,

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Speaker 1: the most important. I would agree with you. I think

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Speaker 1: that's why many people sometimes make it bigger than it

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Speaker 1: really needs to be, because at the end of the day, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: all of these scouts have been following these for the

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Speaker 1: entire season. The thing about it, too, is that the

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine has become a production again, and anything

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Speaker 1: that the National Football League does these days, it's a production.

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Speaker 1: You got you got the Draft, you got this obviously

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Speaker 1: seems as if Dwayne Haskins and Kyler Murray A're gonna

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Speaker 1: little bit to Lance. It really has. Well. I haven't

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Speaker 1: Is that arranged that you think is reasonable for him

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Speaker 1: the way, because we haven't seen him on the field.

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Speaker 1: He claims that he's fully healthy, he's been rehabbing, he's

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Speaker 1: ready to go. But I think any NFL scout you

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Speaker 1: want to see him run around a little bit, even

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Speaker 1: if it's in his underwear. Jeff, at this point, listen,

431
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Speaker 1: he's he's quite the athletes. He'll be the number one guy.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be either him or the guy from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Right you would think that if you're not interested in

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. So for example, if you're the Arizona Cardinals

435
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Speaker 1: right now, who I know. There's a lot of rumors

436
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Speaker 1: about Kingsbury's love of Kyler Murray. I find it hard

437
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Speaker 1: to believe they're gonna bail on Josh Rosen after one season,

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Speaker 1: considering Steve Kim, their general manager, who's still there, was

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Speaker 1: the one that drafted him, So that would be a stunner.

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Speaker 1: So if Arizona doesn't move out of that first overall

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Speaker 1: pick Jeff, you could say, hey, they need help. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the past rush, their defense was a mess

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Speaker 1: this past season. It's one of the reasons why they

444
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Speaker 1: moved on from Steve Wilkes. Everything was a mess, but

445
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Speaker 1: their defense especially fell off after James Betchel left and

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Speaker 1: they went to a four three as opposed to what

447
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Speaker 1: they were running with Betchelor at three four. Nick Bosa

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Speaker 1: would be a nice fit. You can never have enough

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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the NFL, as you were. If he's

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Speaker 1: anything like his brother, he's gone. And Joey's working with

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Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram in Los Angeles with the Chargers. So the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals with Chandler Jones are saying to themselves, hey, why

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Speaker 1: not bringing a complimentary piece to him. You go, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happened now and he's gonna be running drills,

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Speaker 1: so that's a good thing. You know, we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens there. I mean, I'm to me, the quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: the topic of this draft because every year we talked

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Speaker 1: about them and they go up and down. You know,

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Speaker 1: one goes to three, three goes to one, two goes

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Speaker 1: to four. I didn't move around the shocked me for

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Speaker 1: position throughout the draft. This draft class is an unknown.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a guy that's less than six ft,

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Speaker 1: You've got a guy that only played one year in

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Speaker 1: the league. You've got a guy that's coming from Duke Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got another guy that's coming from Missouri

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Speaker 1: that those are the four guys that were kind of

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Speaker 1: looking at you know, none of them not anything like

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Speaker 1: last year. I mean, those all those guys last year

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Speaker 1: were hyped big time. You know, you've got a Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy winner again and there, but you know he's nothing

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Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield well, and also Heisman Trophy winners haven't

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Speaker 1: necessarily fared well Jeff at the NFL LEFL. So I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if that's something you want to break

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Speaker 1: actually talk about, like Jinks, maybe you know that's like

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Speaker 1: really and you think about it, um, but I think

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Speaker 1: Baker is gonna be okay. Yeah, Baker looked a part

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Speaker 1: in his first year. I was extremely high on him.

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Speaker 1: We talked about him a lot on this program. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: seems to be a good fit. He's got that competitive drive.

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Speaker 1: It's a small sample size, but so far, so good.

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Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald has shown some flashes that hopefully

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Speaker 1: the Jets will continue to bring in personnel around him.

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Speaker 1: Rose in the jury still out. There was so much change.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to evaluate a guy like that. When

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Speaker 1: he didn't have an offensive line, the running game was horrible,

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Speaker 1: Coordinators changed, he was heard a little bit here and there,

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Speaker 1: and plus he's got a lot of history of injuries anyway,

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Speaker 1: with concussions and so forth. That's all relevant within the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, who he brought up earlier speaking of Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy winners. You know he got the starting job a

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Speaker 1: little bit later in the season. They started to adjust

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Speaker 1: their offense. Now he's the guy, so we'll really get

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Speaker 1: a grasp on what he could do. And Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, what was interesting about him? Jeff all season

495
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Speaker 1: they used him essentially as a running back, he ran

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Speaker 1: a lot more than he threw. Eventually, if you're Sean

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Speaker 1: McDermott and that Bill's coaching to have, you got to say,

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Speaker 1: we want him to throw the football, Jeff. Eventually, we'd

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Speaker 1: like you to throw, but we really need you to

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Speaker 1: run because we have nobody else that can do it

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Speaker 1: and you're six ft five. Yeah, but he's good at it.

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Speaker 1: He is, he's very good at it. But as we

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Speaker 1: saw with r G three and you hit it running

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Speaker 1: the notes earlier, you can't constantly run because no matter

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Speaker 1: how athletic is, he's gonna take the brunt of the

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Speaker 1: hits and he's gonna be on the sideline before you

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Speaker 1: know it. And you know they're they're football players, right,

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Speaker 1: But the fact is is that a quarterbacks and you

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Speaker 1: know you use your legs the best you can. But

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Speaker 1: you know those Coach Coffin always used to say that

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Speaker 1: that hits on the quarterback where are a cumulative they

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Speaker 1: and over time they make it, they have an effect.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you have to think about. Guys that

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Speaker 1: get outside the pocket and run a lot, you know

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Speaker 1: over time the effect will be there. Just because you

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Speaker 1: don't go out of the game, and you don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't act like you're hurt. On Tuesday, it hurts,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got bruises on your arms and elbows

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Speaker 1: and something, you know, And then you go out on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and try to throw. Oh, it's not good. And

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Speaker 1: then you miss a day of practice, and so the

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Speaker 1: next week it goes again, and the culative effectually, around

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Speaker 1: ten weeks into the season, you are just beat up.

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Speaker 1: So and that's just not only the guys that run around.

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Speaker 1: It's the quarterbacks. You know, even though you're not getting sacked,

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Speaker 1: you're getting hits on the quarterback. I mean, look at

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Speaker 1: how many times guys are getting hit in the game

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Speaker 1: from the quarterback position. It's a lot. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: these guys are pretty tough, especially with rough offensive line

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Speaker 1: play across the board, more of a reason to young

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Speaker 1: quarterback should be prepared to take his And again they're protected.

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Speaker 1: The rules nowadays are protecting the quarterback, and the defenses

533
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Speaker 1: are now starting to understand how to play at that

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Speaker 1: level and within those rules, which is going to help

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position. But the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 1: they still you know, this isn't powder puff. They're getting

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Speaker 1: hit every game, sometimes twenty times a game. Well, and

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Speaker 1: that adds up to your point. Just because you're not

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Speaker 1: taking a hit, meaning you're getting sack consistently, doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the wear and tear of your bodies. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this. I remember, and I never went through another

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Speaker 1: than maybe high school. But the first weekend training camp.

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Speaker 1: I remember. Those guys. I don't know how they do it.

544
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Speaker 1: They would walk, I mean, their next and everything is

545
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Speaker 1: sore because you know, you become a customer. Like for

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Speaker 1: somebody to give you an example, if somebody hasn't worked

547
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Speaker 1: out in a while and you go do something, you know,

548
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: you go work out, or you go play a sport,

549
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Speaker 1: or you run or bike or something. You know, the

550
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Speaker 1: second day, within forty hours is the worst you're gonna

551
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Speaker 1: be sore. So those guys, that's what happened. They they

552
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: they've run up all their lives hitting and stuff, but

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Speaker 1: they have their their muscles become a condition to that. Right.

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Speaker 1: A quarterback doesn't, I mean that's he's not out there

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Speaker 1: in practice, you know, hitting people exactly. So over time

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Speaker 1: those things kind of take they take a cumulative effect,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, why do you think sometimes quarterbacks

558
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Speaker 1: the balls are are sailing high or low or whatever

559
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Speaker 1: because they have they have injuries that you don't want

560
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Speaker 1: to over compensate. Yeah, exactly. Well, and here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And you were bringing up the fact that, hey, if

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Speaker 1: you got to consistently miss a practice on a Wednesday

563
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Speaker 1: or a Thursday, the last thing is a coaching staff

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Speaker 1: that you want to see, Jeff is your rookie quarterback

565
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Speaker 1: missing practice once a week when he still needs to

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Speaker 1: build chemistry with the bulk of the receivers. Anyway, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's the last thing that you want to do, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and and it and it happens, um but you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with these guys that it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be very interesting. The philosophies that go into it are

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Speaker 1: a huge Each team has different philosophies on each player.

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Speaker 1: Each each team has different systems to try to fit

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Speaker 1: these players in the systems. You know, Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: a guy that I believe that you're gonna have to

575
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Speaker 1: change your system. You're gonna have to implement an offense

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Speaker 1: around this guy. If that's what you If that's what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do, Well, that's what they did with Baker

578
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Speaker 1: Mayfield in the second half of the season, the Browns

579
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Speaker 1: started to accommodate his strengths right and he took off.

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Speaker 1: So I think a similar thing has to take place

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Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray. I think where you draw the line

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Speaker 1: in the sand as is the you know, you have

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Speaker 1: to be on Everybody has to be on board with this,

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Speaker 1: the organization, the coaching staff, especially because here's a guy like,

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Speaker 1: let's just say, Pat yourmoy has this offense and now

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Speaker 1: you know he's it's actually started to take take hold

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Speaker 1: of last season, the second half of the season, and

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Speaker 1: now you're gonna go change this whole thing, and da

589
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Speaker 1: da da da day. You know, it takes a lot.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be on board with it, especially when they're

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Speaker 1: already through a year of transition. Given this was his

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Speaker 1: first year as the head coach, it will be very

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Speaker 1: interested what direction the Giants go in the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Will get more into the draft of the combine a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on here on the program reminder, Big

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Speaker 1: of the combine, we're now joined by a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of chatter surrounding the Competition Committee

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Speaker 1: at this time of the year, well before the owners meetings,

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Speaker 1: because based on what happened in the NFC Championship Game,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the league is going to make some changes to

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Speaker 1: instant replaying a lot more. And to weigh in on that,

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Speaker 1: we are now joined by NFL dot Com columnists. You

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Speaker 1: could also see her on the NFL Network none other

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Speaker 1: than Judy Batista. Judy got Lance Meadow, Jeff Feagles here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: How's everything, Hi, Hi, guys, how are you. We're doing

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Speaker 1: very well and one of the reasons why we wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring it on the program. Judy, you've been all

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Speaker 1: over the Competition Committee meetings. They got underway yesterday and

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Speaker 1: you were all over it on social media, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's important for fans understanding you hit it right

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Speaker 1: on the nose. Despite the fact that the Court of

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Speaker 1: Public Opinion was a very plea eased with what transpired

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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship Game, you still need the owners

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Speaker 1: the thirty two to approve any rule changes, and it

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Speaker 1: seems Judy based on who you've talked to. Just because

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Speaker 1: fans are irritated doesn't mean the league is ready to

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Speaker 1: necessarily make the jump in the department of expanding instant replay.

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Speaker 1: How fair of an assessment is that. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's right on target. Just in talking to more members

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Speaker 1: of the Competition Committee, you know, yesterday and then this morning. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, they have to they sort of use things comprehensively.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that Rich McKay was said to us,

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Speaker 1: who is the chair of the Competition Committee, he just said, like,

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Speaker 1: you have to look at everything sort of top down,

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Speaker 1: because if you make changes to instant replay on what

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Speaker 1: instant replay is going to encompass. It changes officiating, It

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Speaker 1: may change how long games take, it may change the

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Speaker 1: pace of the games. That's a big priority for the league,

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Speaker 1: piece of game. They don't want games dragging out. That's bad. So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of dominoes. If you change

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Speaker 1: one thing, there's a lot of what they all call

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Speaker 1: call unintended consequences, and they need to try to minimize

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Speaker 1: those and they need to make sure that they're aware

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Speaker 1: of what they might be before they can go about

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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: minimizing them. So I think I doubt anything solid is

639
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: going to come out of this meeting here in Indianapolis,

640
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: the big meeting in March. As you know, all the

641
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: cultures are there, all the g ms are there, and

642
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: all of the owners are there, and there's a lot

643
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: of discussion in those meeting rooms, and so I think

644
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: if there's any momentum to change, it would come out

645
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: of those meetings. Judy, let me ask you this, so

646
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you know all unintended consequences, that's that is a big

647
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: That's a big word in the National Footballleague because you

648
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: know it is and it means a lot because there

649
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: is a trickle down effect when something like this happens.

650
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: But in your mind, do you think, do you think

651
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: that there's going to be something done on this instant replay,

652
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, adding another official or something up

653
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: in the booth. What's your gut feeling on this on

654
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: adding officials? We just talk to some people about that

655
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: there does not seem to be at least right now

656
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: at this meeting, there does not seem to be a

657
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: feeling that that would help UM. Now. I know that

658
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: there are some officials, including Gene Sterator, former official, who

659
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: thinks that would help because his selling is the game

660
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: he played so spread out now that it would help

661
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: to have another set of eyes on the field, not

662
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: up in the box, on the field. Um, that it

663
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: would help them see more. Um. They don't seem to

664
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: feel that way. But again, this is just the Competition

665
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: committee here. Now. They make recommendations that usually the general

666
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: you know public I mean, and by that I mean

667
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, all of the owners, the thirty two owners

668
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: follow the guidance of the Competition Committee, but not necessarily

669
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: last year at that meeting in March, at the big

670
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: meeting in March, they came up with the helmet rule

671
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: in the meeting room. They did not go in there

672
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: with the idea of creating you know that lowering the

673
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: helmet rul. So you know, I think we're going to

674
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: get a better temperature on aware things stand Um. At

675
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: the meeting in March, I would say, though, coming out

676
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: of this, I do not sent a strong push to

677
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: change replay, you know, in any significant way. Interesting, well, Judy,

678
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: related to this subject. It's interesting because right now you

679
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: have the Alliance of American Football, which has been extremely

680
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: innovative in terms of implementing some changes such as replay

681
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: the sky. Judge from what you've heard, how closely are

682
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: NFL owners as well as members of the Competition Committee,

683
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: you think looking at what the a F is doing

684
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis to determine whether or not they

685
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: want to even experiment with stuff like that in the preseason. Well,

686
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I think they look at all of them. Even before

687
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: the a S. They would look at you know, college football, certainly,

688
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: they would look at Canadian football. They look at everything

689
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: and they consider it. But you know, one thing Rich

690
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: McKay has said, you know, as it's been for every

691
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: off season since you know whatever it was, we begin

692
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: our annual discussion off season discussion of replay. This is

693
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: a conversation they had every year. Stephen Jones, who is

694
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: another member of the Competition Committee, it we have these

695
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: conversations all the time. There's just there's a lot of

696
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: energy to the conversation. But there's not a whole lot

697
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: of new ideas, right, I mean, like we've seen what

698
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: they do in college football, we've seen what Canadian football does.

699
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, now we'll see what the Alliance does.

700
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: But there's not a whole lot new under the sun here.

701
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: So you're going over well, traught territory. They're going to

702
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: have to make a decision if they want to push

703
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: forward and change things. Are they upset enough about the

704
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: call and don't forget the call in the Saints game

705
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: was a non call, which is another step beyond are

706
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: you going to go to lead play to address non calls?

707
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: That's something that in the past there has been no

708
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: support for UM but you know, even rushing the past

709
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: or would you would you make that reviewable? Uh, they're

710
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: going to have to make a decision on whether they're

711
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: willing to consider that. Because there's not a whole lot

712
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: of new things you can do. The question is do

713
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: you want to change it? One thing a lot of people,

714
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: let me ask this, A lot of people keep saying,

715
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: is this is a game played by humans, coached by humans,

716
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: and officiated by human beings. Human beings make mistakes. That

717
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: was obviously a high profile situation. It was a bad,

718
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: blown call, but it's happened before, it will happen again, unfortunately.

719
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: I think their goal would be to try to make

720
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: it easier for officials to associate the game, and I

721
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know it's changing instant replay and adding to places

722
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: that are reviewable helps make it any easier. Well, I

723
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: think I can tell you one thing that just just

724
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: by watching some of the a F I really and

725
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: this is something that you talk about the trickle downf

726
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: You've gotta change this, and you gotta change that. And

727
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: you got you know, the clock, the play clock if

728
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: you will, they use an abbreviated play clock. And I'll

729
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: tell you the pace of the game. If you want

730
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: to speed up the pace of the game and add

731
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: another official or at a booth official. Um, because you're

732
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: saying you by doing this, you know you're going to

733
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: be you're not gonna be able to keep the same

734
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: pace of the game. If you're going to add another official,

735
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: that's going to be calling for replaying and take a

736
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: little bit off of a game clock to buy yourself

737
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: some time for these replays. In my opinion, you don't

738
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: have to change a lot if you're gonna do that. Judy, Uh,

739
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: that's all well and good. Could you please go tell

740
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: the coach of course? Yeah for the offensive. I mean

741
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: it's hard enough for these guys. I mean, I'll never

742
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: forget when Ben mac would do was here and they

743
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: came out with that, you know, the Daily News or

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: whatever it was they had the big diner menu thing,

745
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's hard enough. It's hard enough

746
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: for these guys to play, to call a play within

747
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: forty five seconds or whatever it is, right, I mean, God,

748
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: could you imagine if the owners went to their head

749
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: coaches and said, okay, boy, let me just tell you

750
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: so now you have thirty five seconds to call your plays.

751
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: There'd be a little bit of fight in the room.

752
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this. You know, a long term effect here,

753
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and you know, these games do become very long. Um,

754
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: if they wanted to change something, they could certainly go there.

755
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: They just have to get to get to play in

756
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: a little quicker Yeah. I would say keeping the eye

757
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: on a conversation about pace of the game at the

758
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: time of the game, because that was a big in

759
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: should is from the league office from Rodregradu himself a

760
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: few years ago. I do with two off seasons ago

761
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: because the games were taking too long. Frankly, that's bad

762
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: for television ratings. The games trag, you know, the long

763
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: television time outs. So that was something they felt they

764
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: got reined in. They like how the games are going

765
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: that they're faster now, so uh, they're not going to

766
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: be interested in taking a step back on that. Can

767
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I ask you a quick question, because when before we

768
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: came into there, Um plant and I were talking, Um,

769
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: what's this notion about changing the punt something? Are they

770
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: taking the punt away? They can't dot, they cannot take

771
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: the punt out of football. You know that right spot.

772
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: You and I were both at the University of Navy.

773
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't want the punt, thank you so much. However,

774
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: I know that I know that this is a safety issue.

775
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: It always is. What what is it that they're talking

776
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: about that needs to be improved on the on the

777
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: punt team and their safety. I think this is also

778
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: at the very beginning stages. But if you remember last

779
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: off season, they got a group of special team coaches

780
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: together and Brainstorm. I was allowed to sit in on

781
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: the meeting, and they came up with lots of innovative

782
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: ideas and that's what led to the changes in the kickoff.

783
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: They were really happy with what they saw on the

784
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: injury data on the kickoffs this year, big drops in

785
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: concussion numbers. Obviously that's good and that's something they want

786
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: to continue. So I think the goal was certainly to

787
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: not get rid of the punts. I don't think anybody

788
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: wants to get rid of kicking or punting in the game,

789
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: but it's the punt is now the most dangerous playing

790
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the game. Kickoffs used to be. They seem to have

791
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: wrestled back to the ground a little bit. Punts are

792
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: now what they think is the most um, you know,

793
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: injury riddled play in the game. So they gotta get

794
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: control of that. I think there's a feeling that they

795
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: might do what they did last year, get the special

796
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: teams coaches together, um and you know, try to formulate

797
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: some ideas and see if they can make tweaks to

798
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: the punts. Um that minimized the impact, minimized a big

799
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: impact place um and maybe get those injury numbers down

800
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: and real quickly. Land and I were talking. The issue

801
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: here is the gunners. Is those guys running down and

802
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: making plays on there. So you know that is big,

803
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: high speed collisions and and you know those guys try

804
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: to avoid contact so they can get freed up and

805
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: run down and make big plays. The alternative is the

806
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it so that they can either go out

807
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: of bounds or somehow that they you know, they're gonna

808
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: they gotta hold them up better. First of all, they

809
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: got to play better, you know. But that's that's where

810
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: the safety issue is because it's like the kickoff when

811
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: guys were you know, now they have them set. You

812
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: can't run anymore. You have to stop and then go.

813
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: That's the same thing with punt. Now you you just

814
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: basically have to eliminate the guys running down there free

815
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: and blowing up the returners. So that's definitely a safety issue,

816
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: and again the league has to go there just to

817
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: protect the players in the long run. Yeah, and it's

818
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see what they can come

819
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: up with on the punt because last year when they

820
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: were trying to make the changes to the kickoff, the

821
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: idea was to make the kickoffs more like the punt, right,

822
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: no running starts like. So the question is, well, now,

823
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: how would you change the punt. You've just made the

824
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: kickoffs more like the punt. How do you how do

825
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: you make the punt in a way you know, I mean,

826
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: there will be interesting to see the kickoff is you

827
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: still are you still as a defender, You're still far

828
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: away from the other guy were when you're a gunner

829
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: there the defenders are right there next to you, so

830
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's yeah, it's I'm interested to see

831
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: what happens, you know, because there's there's Hey, you get

832
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of special teams coaches in the room, you're

833
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: in trouble. There's gonna be a lot of stuff ideas,

834
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh lots of ideas because those guys all think their

835
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: head coaches. Although John Harbaugh was you know, so he

836
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: became a head coach. That's a good thing. Well, shut

837
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: up you from sitting in all the meeting last year,

838
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: there were so much as that were crazy. You know

839
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: that you're sitting there going like are you kidding? Like

840
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: they know they can't do that, but they did get

841
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: the ideas that ultimately went to the changes in the

842
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: kickoffs that we saw, and again the numbers did the

843
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: injury numbers did go down. So that's obviously something they

844
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: want to continue doing. And I think they'll give that

845
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: a shot with the punt. I don't know if we're

846
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: going to see changes the p this season, but I

847
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: think they're certainly going to have a long conversation about

848
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: can you make that place safe. We're talking with Judy Batist,

849
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: the columnists NFL dot com. You can see it on

850
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: NFL Network And speaking of contact, it was interesting, Judy,

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Speaker 1: because I was looking on social media and you tweeted

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Speaker 1: out that Another part of the conversation has been the

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Speaker 1: helmet rule, which you alluded to earlier. But when they

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Speaker 1: looked at all of the calls from this past season,

855
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Speaker 1: which is interesting, there weren't a number of erroneous calls,

856
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Speaker 1: but there were a lot of non calls, meaning they

857
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Speaker 1: missed a number of opportunities. So what has the conversation

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Speaker 1: been like with respect to that as to how perhaps

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00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: they expect to improve upon that. Uh, well, I think

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Speaker 1: the feeling on the helmet rule, and they've been pretty

861
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: frank about this, is that because it came so late

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Speaker 1: in the off season last year. If you remembers they

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Speaker 1: discussed it, it first came up in that meeting in Margin,

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Speaker 1: then they approved it in May, so it was you're

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00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: already pretty late in the off season by that time

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Speaker 1: that the just was not an appropriate amount of time

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Speaker 1: to educate coaches about what they wanted and how they

868
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Speaker 1: wanted officiated, to educate the officials about how they wanted

869
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: it officiated. And obviously, then how do you teach the

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Speaker 1: players if the coaches don't even know what you want?

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Speaker 1: How do you How do they then teach the players? However, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think the feeling is this off season they need

873
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time educating everybody about this

874
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: is what the helmet rule is, this is how we

875
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: wanted to look. If this is what we want called,

876
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Speaker 1: this is not what we want called. UM. If you

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Speaker 1: remember early in the last season, during the preseason, it

878
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Speaker 1: was getting called a lot and people were freaking out right.

879
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: People are like, this is crazy. You know, there's a

880
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: call on every other play. Um. And then they sort

881
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of you know, ratcheted it back a little bit and

882
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: and now they heal, well, we may do an overboard

883
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and it wasn't called often enough. Now they often tell

884
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: the competition committee often tells the officials if there's a doubt,

885
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: don't throw the flag. But this is a player's safety matter, obviously, UM.

886
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Speaker 1: And it goes to the heart of the future of

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00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: the game. UM. So I think they're going to have to,

888
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, try to find a middle ground where they

889
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: say to the officials, you need to pay close attention.

890
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: This has to be officiated correctly. And look, with times

891
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: things get officiated better when they put the helmet willin.

892
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: They said, when they first put pass interferes in the

893
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Speaker 1: defenseless player rules in, it wasn't officiated correctly for about

894
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: three seasons before it was really called the way the

895
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: league wanted it called. So this would be he's in

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Speaker 1: number two. You know, you give it a little grace

897
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Speaker 1: period and presumably will improve this year and then get

898
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Speaker 1: better next year and you know going forward. Um, but

899
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the helmet will not going anywhere. If anybody thinks the

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Speaker 1: helmet will is going away, no chance, because that is

901
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: right at the heart of the concussion issue. And again

902
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: they were really encouraged by the injury data. And you know,

903
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: they have all of this amazing technology now where they

904
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: have sensors in the helmets and they can see exactly

905
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: where the point of impact is um when guys use

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Speaker 1: their heads. And one member the competition for me, he said,

907
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, they've seen preliminary data that indicates that guys

908
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: are not lowering their heads as much as they used

909
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: to in the past. So that's a trend they want encourage.

910
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: So if they are, if players are starting to think

911
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: about that and not rowing their head, then that's also

912
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: the good and that would encourage them. Keep calling that

913
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: helmet rule, keep calling it because you were dissuading guys

914
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Speaker 1: from lowering their head, and that makes it much safer.

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Speaker 1: I think you also get a lot of it carry

916
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Speaker 1: over from n C Double A and some of the

917
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Speaker 1: football of the rules that are in the n C

918
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Speaker 1: Double A, the targeting, you know, those types of stuff

919
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: that you have a direct effect effect of the guys

920
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: that are coming into the league. You know, it's almost

921
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: like what junior football over the years when they everybody

922
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: was worried about the concussions. Everybody, well, how do we

923
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: change this? Well, you have to change it by coaching

924
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: it better. And now over the years, little little league

925
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: football is starting to become the numbers. They're coming back

926
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Speaker 1: up again because moms and dads of the world are

927
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: finally realizing that the coaches are teaching this the right way.

928
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Speaker 1: And so to your point, it's going to take a

929
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Speaker 1: couple of years for the coaches to be able to

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00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: figure out how to how do we teach this in

931
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: practice so that the players don't get penalized for it

932
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: and ultimately find you know, that's the big thing for

933
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Speaker 1: the players that they're gonna take the money away from us,

934
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Speaker 1: you know, so it's important, it's and it's a step

935
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Speaker 1: in the right direction. Yeah. Well, when they put the

936
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Speaker 1: rule in the helmet rule, one of the parts of

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Speaker 1: the conversation they said is there's a trickle down effect.

938
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Speaker 1: When other levels of football see what the NFL is doing,

939
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Speaker 1: it obviously affects them. So that affects college football, in

940
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Speaker 1: high school football, and you know, the big circle then

941
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: is completed when if coaches are teaching players at you know,

942
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: the peewee level all the way up, don't lower your head,

943
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: don't use your head as a weapon, don't lower your head.

944
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Speaker 1: By the time you know, those very very few elite

945
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: players lies to the NFL level, they've been tackling that

946
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: way all of their lives. That makes it a lot

947
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: easier in the NFL for the NFL to say you

948
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: can't lower your head. It's all about teaching the fundamentals

949
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: at the lower stages that this way, it becomes second

950
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: nature once they get to the National Football League. When

951
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Speaker 1: you change at the NFL, to your point, it takes

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Speaker 1: some time, Judy, before we let you go. I know,

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Speaker 1: this is a very similar process to your point that

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Speaker 1: takes place each and every year but just when they say,

955
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Speaker 1: of the listeners, what's the next step here for the

956
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: competition committee as the calendar moves forward, before they get

957
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Speaker 1: to the point of perhaps putting some things to vote, well,

958
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Speaker 1: they will. They have meetings again the later on today

959
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: and then tomorrow, and then they have another meeting UM

960
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Speaker 1: right before the big annual meeting in March. It's like

961
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Speaker 1: the week before. Teams submit proposals every year UM and

962
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Speaker 1: they expect that there's going to be a number of

963
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Speaker 1: proposals about instant replay, for example, UM and they then

964
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: go through them, meaning the Competition Committee looks at those proposals,

965
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: and then the Competition Committee will endorse some ideas, you know,

966
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Speaker 1: from their own meetings, from their own data. What is

967
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: the Competition committee thinks the league should do. Should the

968
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: owners expand replay, should they leave replay the same? And

969
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: all other rules that have to be looked at too,

970
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: And then they'll get into that March meeting, and that's

971
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: where a lot of the conversation will take place in

972
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: the room again with all the owners, all of the

973
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Speaker 1: which is all of the general managers, and then they

974
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: may come out of that with some changes or then

975
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: there's another owners meeting in May, um right before everybody

976
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: sort of breaks for the summer um. And we've seen

977
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Speaker 1: rules changes get made, you know, at that point to

978
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Speaker 1: in May. So they are really at this meeting at

979
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: the very beginning stages of rules changes, you know. And

980
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I would not expect anything solid to come out of

981
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: this meeting, And they may even get all the way

982
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: through the March meeting without anything firm Judy requipment. Have

983
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: you heard or if anything about the game day roster

984
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: change at all going from the you know, at all

985
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: expanding it? I have not heard. I have not heard

986
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: any and frankly I haven't asked about it, to be honest, So, um,

987
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I haven't. You know, I haven't heard anything about that yet. Hey,

988
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: well you got to keep us posted on that. That's important.

989
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: Jeff wants want that. I want that back up Hunter.

990
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Jeff, Jeff just wants to back

991
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: up Hunter there Judy on the rosters. So any time

992
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: that specialist could get more of an opportunity in the NFL,

993
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: he's all for, you know. But honestly, I know it

994
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense to me sometimes I feel like,

995
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: why do you have to have five or seven guys,

996
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: and that don't play. I mean, I mean, the game's

997
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: rough as it is, there's injuries and stuff. I know

998
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: this goes very deep into it, but to me, it

999
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense why they can't have, you know,

1000
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: another maybe inactivate two guys, but I mean, do you

1001
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: have to have seven every week or whatever it is?

1002
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't agree with it. So you

1003
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: keep us in, you keep us in the loop on

1004
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: that one, will you. I literally just wrote in my

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Speaker 1: notebook it's gonna be her first question once she hangs

1006
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: up on us and abook. Now that's so important to me. Awesome,

1007
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: all right. She is Judy Battista, calvinist for NFL dot Com.

1008
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: You can see her on the NFL Network and she

1009
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Speaker 1: is all over the job of the Competition Committee in

1010
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Indianapolis at the combine. Judy greatly appreciate the time of

1011
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: the side. Look forward to talking down the road. Thanks

1012
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: so much. Oh is my pleasure, guys than you think

1013
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: that is. Judy Battista once again cond enough to a

1014
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Speaker 1: in on the changes of the Competition Committee. And I

1015
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: want to piggyback right off of your point, Jeff here

1016
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: as we carry on the conversation on Big Blue Kickoff Live,

1017
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: because I've brought that up to about why can't we

1018
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: just get to the point where you could dress all

1019
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: fifty three? And I was having a conversation on Sirius

1020
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: x M NFL Radio recently with Bill Polian, former general

1021
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: manager of the Coats, and I basically posed the exact

1022
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: question because he's coming from the front office, and he said, listen,

1023
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: expanding the rosters certainly makes sense, gives players the other

1024
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to dress up. But the bottom line is, once

1025
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: you start taking away the limitations, then you're gonna get

1026
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: to a point, Jeff, where one team's got ten guys

1027
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: that are hurt, another team's got five, so they're gonna

1028
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: be able to dress fifty three. You're only gonna be

1029
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: able to dress forty nine. And now you're gonna have

1030
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: one team with four extra healthy bodies and the other

1031
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: teams at a disadvantage unless you allow them to maybe

1032
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: call up additional individuals to get to fifty three. You

1033
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: know that that's what they're gonna have to work out.

1034
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Those logistics, Jeff, I think have to be hammered out.

1035
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: And and then you know, again when you talk about

1036
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: the trickle down effect. Now you're talking about getting guys

1037
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: off the practice squad to be able to make that

1038
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: if you need three other players, the team that you're

1039
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: going against has nine active dbs. It changes the number game.

1040
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: It also changes the way that you manipulate your roster

1041
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: up and down from practice squad to regular because you know,

1042
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: when you pull somebody off the practice squad, he has

1043
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: to play, you know, and then when you pull them

1044
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: when you there's a lot of how teams can pick

1045
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: up the guy heyst you know. So there's a lot

1046
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: of things that go into it. Yeah, you're gonna have

1047
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: to remove some of those limitations, you know, And I

1048
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: think that hits it running the nose because also, Jeff,

1049
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: once you then send the guy out of your roster

1050
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: who's on the practice what, he doesn't just go back

1051
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: to the practice so you may lose it. So they're

1052
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a way that may protect them

1053
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: you don't lose the practice squad players. So maybe maybe

1054
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: maybe it could be like A like they did years

1055
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: ago with three ag You do a plan B like

1056
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: you either have it. You're an A or a B player.

1057
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: A B player Okay, well we'll let you go, you know,

1058
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: but in you can only protect so many guys per year.

1059
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff. We could spend hours on this. No,

1060
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: but I like your philosophy. I like the fact of

1061
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: expanding rosters. I just think that if you then all

1062
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you bring up a guy for one game,

1063
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you waive him, and then

1064
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed to bring it back and he knows

1065
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: your system, it's a disadvantage. I guess what. I just

1066
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: don't and I get I get it, Okay, I get

1067
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: what Bill Poli was saying. I just what I don't

1068
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: like about it is that there's guys like that six

1069
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: or that seventh and eighth alignman every week that's inactive.

1070
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Where that guy, if he was active, he actually could

1071
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: take place. He could play on special teams. You know

1072
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He doesn't have to be alignment in

1073
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: the game, but he may not even get in, but

1074
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: he could definitely be on the kickoff team or that

1075
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, he could get some action to play to

1076
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: take away from maybe one of your other starters that

1077
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: are playing on special teams. It's going to affect the

1078
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: special teams more than anything in my opinion, if you

1079
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: kept all these guys active, okay, because how many times

1080
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: we're oh, a healthy scratch, Well we have a healthy

1081
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: scratch because we need another player another position. But I

1082
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: agree with you that healthy scratch to me makes no

1083
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: sense whatsoever. Um. I guess maybe the other one and

1084
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: I got from full of ideas. If you're on the

1085
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: if you're on the injury report for it at percentage

1086
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: of the week, then you're eligible to be inactivated or whatever.

1087
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't just tons of stuff, But the healthy scratching

1088
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: mean makes no sense to me. A guy that practices

1089
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: all week, the guy that's on the active roster, and

1090
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: then he shows up on Sunday and they take or whatever, yeah,

1091
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: or the sideline, depending on what the rules are for

1092
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: the team. It just it goes back to you're gonna

1093
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: have teams. And you know, we've seen this from the Giants.

1094
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: There's been years, Jeff, where they've been decimated by injuries.

1095
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: It's hard enough to field forty six, whereas you have

1096
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: another team that has avoided the injury bug. So one

1097
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: week they're gonna have all fifty three guys, you're gonna

1098
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: have forty seven, and then the other six will be

1099
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: maybe practice squad guys. It's somewhat of a disadvantage. That's

1100
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: the way they're gonna work at it. It's the problem,

1101
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: and it's so hard because you never are gonna have

1102
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: there's never gonna be equality when it comes to injury.

1103
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: Not every team is gonna have the same amount of

1104
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: them every year, every week. But I guess if you

1105
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: only address forty seven, that's I guess that's their their thing.

1106
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I would like to see the expansion.

1107
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, you need to change

1108
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: the rules in terms of practice squad players, and you know,

1109
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: maybe they can look into this is another thing in

1110
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: terms of what the G League does at the NBA level, Jeff,

1111
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: they've got those two way contracts where G League players

1112
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: they could go back and forth and you're a part

1113
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: of the team. So maybe if you're a practice squad player,

1114
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, technically you're under contract with the team, but

1115
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: it's a two way contract, so meaning once we deactivate you,

1116
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: you go back to the practice squad. Perfect you don't

1117
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: just go out into the free world where you can

1118
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: sign anywhere. There's no reason why they can't make those

1119
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: type of adjustments I'd like to see them implement that,

1120
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: and and that's something that the competition can be Look,

1121
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean it would it would you know, it would

1122
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: make sense because then you don't have to keep doing

1123
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: contracts over and over, and then you can identify it.

1124
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a veteran player, I'd say after a

1125
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: certain amount of years in the league, you no longer

1126
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: on to practice squad any you're so you wouldn't have

1127
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: a dual con exactly. Now there's two spots on the

1128
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: practice squad, and they've also expanded the amount of bodies

1129
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: that they can put on the practice guard. But remember

1130
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: they've left two spots open for somebody that has two

1131
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: years in the legal already to accrude years. You know

1132
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: the way it works where you've played at least six right,

1133
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: that was relatively I would say that was making put

1134
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: in about two to three years ago, because I remember

1135
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of the players that were on

1136
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: that list. I'm like, wait a second, that, how can

1137
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: that You felt like, oh, no, he played too many

1138
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: NFL games or has been on the squad. But so

1139
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: that's what they did to expand it. So I would

1140
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: say you could adjust that, yeah, rather than cut the guy.

1141
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: You can maybe adjust the rules now to your point, No,

1142
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: it'd be idiotic to say a guy who's had five

1143
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: years in the NFL is going to go down to

1144
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: the practice squad. You know, you could still have those limitations,

1145
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: but the bottom line is you have an undrafted rookie,

1146
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: he's worked on the practice squad. You bring him up

1147
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: for a game, Jeff. Now the next guy is healthy,

1148
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: you send them back down and you don't worry about

1149
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: losing him. Well, it's very simple to me because you

1150
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: keep the guy in the rookie contract working minimum whatever

1151
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: it is. So, hey, Lance, you got called up for

1152
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: three games this year, three divided by seventeen divide whatever

1153
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: your salaries actually got paid. And then this is your

1154
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: practice squad contract. You're getting paid five grand a week

1155
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and you get a bonus every

1156
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: time you're called up, maybe on the fifty three man roster. Yeah,

1157
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: I'll take out the dinner one. We give you a

1158
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: gift certificate whatever is. You want the Libo treatment. Let

1159
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: you park into players parking lot this week rather than

1160
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: go right there, give me the contract right now, at Jeff,

1161
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I would hell with everything else. Mean some

1162
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: muys take ubers for a young guy who's just getting

1163
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: his feet wet in the NFL. Ye, things like that

1164
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: are appealing those. It is well. It also gives you

1165
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: a chance as an organization to keep your guys around

1166
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: that you've been that you've been out there evaluating and

1167
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: you and you had enough to sign them. You want

1168
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: them on the team. You're not just sign these guys

1169
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: because you don't want them to make your team. Eventually,

1170
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: you want them, you see some some the last thing.

1171
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: You hate to put all that, all that time and

1172
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: effort and money into these guys and then you and

1173
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: you get to use them in the capacity that you

1174
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: want to because of an injury to a veteran and

1175
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: now he goes back down to the practice squad and

1176
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: he's the free somebody can pick him up again. That

1177
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. You developed him and now

1178
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: somebody else reaps the rewards. That's right, because he came

1179
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: up and played in a game and maybe he played good,

1180
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: and you as an organization got to make a decision

1181
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: whether I'm gonna keep him on the active roster. It's

1182
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: just it's a it's a game that you have to

1183
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: play well. That's another interesting point you just brought up.

1184
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: I think there's this fear factor around the NFL, Jeff.

1185
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: Right now, we don't want to showcase young players to

1186
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, so we'd rather put them

1187
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: on ir store them. I think if you have two

1188
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: way contracts now you're not scared about bringing a guy

1189
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: up and having him return a punt for a game,

1190
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: and by the way, you get some evaluation exactly, So

1191
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: it's killing two birds. I will tell you this. The

1192
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: team that the the upper quarter of the teams that

1193
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: are good are not going to utilize this a lot.

1194
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: It's the teams like the Giants two years ago when

1195
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: they basically went down to up yes Root seventeen and

1196
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: over there in rude eight and said, anybody want to

1197
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: play ride receiver to me? Seriously? Seriously. Two years ago,

1198
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: Lances and I were sitting were looking at are at

1199
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: the pregame show, looking at the roster, going who in

1200
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: God's name are these people? You know, normally I'm not

1201
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: trying to pat myself on the back of your but normally,

1202
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, you see a last name and you're like,

1203
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: all right, I know the guy. I can't remember the

1204
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: last time I looked up as many players on the

1205
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: roster as I did that season. It was ridiculous, So

1206
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with you. No, it's something that's extremely

1207
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I think relevant to this organization and and that'll be

1208
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: something that will we'll look forward to see if it

1209
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: comes up in conversation and maybe Judy when she speaks

1210
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: to some of the reps from the competition committee, will

1211
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: throw a curveball that way and we'll give talk about

1212
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: something you would live would love to see. I would

1213
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: love to see those recommendations. I would love to sit

1214
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: down on the proposals and see the proposals. Something tells

1215
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: me the New Orleans Saints are going to have a

1216
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: few proposals, Jeff, I bet every coach whoever did whoever

1217
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: gets to present the proposal. Yeah, that's gonna be. There's

1218
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Must see television going the competition

1219
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: committee room and see all the proposals that coming well,

1220
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: and that brings up another relevant point what people need

1221
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: to understand. I think Judy hit on this a little bit.

1222
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: There have been recommendations made every single season, just replay included.

1223
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: But it goes back to the point you need twenty

1224
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: four of the thirty two owners to approve. If you

1225
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: don't get if you get twenty two, it's going back

1226
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: to the pile. And it's not going to be a

1227
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: pretty good proposal. Yea. So it makes sense. And and again,

1228
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: the cumultive effect of of a rule to me, is

1229
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: just as big as the effectiveness of the rule, because

1230
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: if this is in other words, the rule may make

1231
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: sense in a way that we say, oh God, that's

1232
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: a great But in order for us to change this rule,

1233
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to change a lot of things going forward.

1234
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: We gotta have a new replay, but we gotta have this,

1235
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: we gotta have that. And so a lot of times,

1236
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: to me, I think that has a lot to do

1237
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: with the implementation of the rule is because then they

1238
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do all this other stuff sometimes, I mean,

1239
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: other necessities that come with the rule change unless it's

1240
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: comes like the helmet rule, where somebody is seriously saying

1241
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: to you, we've got to change this because the players

1242
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: Association is on us like crazy. I mean, look at

1243
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: all the ct and everything that's coming out. If we

1244
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: don't change this as a lead, we're gonna look stupid.

1245
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: So this we will change this, and they did quickly.

1246
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, look how fast that thing came down last year.

1247
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: But if if if there wasn't in any of the

1248
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: um the history and all this stuff that's going on

1249
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: with the CT stuff, this thing wouldn't have changed that quickly.

1250
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: There's no way, I mean, I can talk about this subject, folks,

1251
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: because I was in the NFL for three decades nineties, eighties,

1252
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands. The game changed a lot with

1253
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: concussions and things like this, and everything was hush shush

1254
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: back in the day. Now now that it's coming out,

1255
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: things get pushed through this a little bit quicker, um so,

1256
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: and and all in all, it's a good thing because,

1257
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: you know what, you have to protect the players because

1258
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: this is a very violent game, and you know what,

1259
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: the guys only play for so many years because it

1260
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: is a violent game, and you wanted to make as

1261
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: much money as they can, and you know so, rules

1262
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: have to be have to be made, and times change,

1263
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: and no question important for the NFL to be reflective

1264
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: of the changing times. I think what I would like

1265
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: to see perhaps the NFL open up with a little

1266
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: bit is even if they're on the fence, Jeff, with

1267
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: some of these changes, use the preseason. The preseason could

1268
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: be the guinea pig. Jeff expand replay maybe a little

1269
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: for four games. You see the results, you love it,

1270
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Speaker 1: Think about it for next year. I mean, you don't

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: like it, just diss it. Well, it's a perfect opportunity.

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00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't count, nothing is no harm, no foul. They

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: did it with the extra point. Remember they did it

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00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: in the preseason first before they implemented it. Use it.

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00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: You've got a perfect sample size with four games. You

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00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: might as well take advantage of it, no question. And

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00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, look at there's no look what they do

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00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: in the preseason. I know it's that the roster's nine.

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00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: They play everybody, everybody addresses. So there's no reason why

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: I can't use that. I think a lot of the

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times that the viewers and the fans

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00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: of the league get a little bit perturbed at some

1283
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: of the quarterback stuff, hits on the quarterback and things

1284
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: like this. But keep in mind, and Judy said it,

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: and you said it, the humans coach the game, play

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00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: the game, ref the game, and they're human beings, so

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna get it perfect. We're not playing Madden

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00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: where it's programmed in there and it's supposed to be this, this,

1289
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: and this, it's gonna happen. It's never gonna be a

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: perfect game. They just try the best that they can.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, all in all, these referees they

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00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: are pretty good. They are pretty good. Um, we get

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: on them a lot, but and they do make some

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00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: bad calls. But for the most part, they're all pretty good.

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Speaker 1: What's some of the stuff that they do well? They

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00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: get a bad rap because you get one miscall, it

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00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: gets put onto the microscope where there's a lot of

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00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: other officials that are on top of things. And it

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: was well said, Jeff by you it's the human element

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: of the game. You're never going to remove the human element.

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00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: You're not. But I you know, there's also a trend

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: that people want to go younger at the referee positions

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00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: and even have them full time. Okay that the NFL

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: is not hurting in the money category to pay these guys,

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01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, um, but the resources are there. But you

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01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: know what related to that, Jeff, And I don't mean

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01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: to cut you off. I've heard that be brought up

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: to the forefront, make them full time. I was taught

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01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, I was talking to a former official,

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: I forget the name, and he said, you know what,

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's great, And you

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01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: could sit him down in front of video monitors every week, Jeff.

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: Just like players practice, there is nothing like game experience.

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01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: So no matter how much you watch the play on

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: a loop, you still need to go out there every

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: Sunday and get a taste of real speed. You don't

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01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: have the luxury of the instant replay monitor. That's how

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: you build up endurance. Just like a player. You could

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: tell a rookie, hey, it's gonna be like this, give

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: him the carry, let him get out there. That's the

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: only way he's going to really grow and develop as

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Speaker 1: a player. Well, and I think that then, I don't

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know the process of how you

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: become an NFL referee. I would imagine you go through

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01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: high school. We gotta experience. You've got a game experience,

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: so well, maybe maybe you make the experience factor a

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01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: little bit longer, you know, maybe fifty Again, I don't

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: know it. I'm just thrown out there. If you're two

1330
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: years in one of the conferences in in football, college football,

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01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: maybe it's got to be four years. Okay, so get

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: you get a little bit more of that experience in

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that in that in that hand to hand combat, if

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01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: you will, that's what you need. You cannot substitute anything

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: for experience, and especially football. I mean, that's why coaches

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Speaker 1: love veterans. Again, they love veteran officials. Okay, but there

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: comes a point in time to some of these guys. Listen,

1338
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm in my fifties. It's not as easy to get around.

1339
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: Some of these guys are in their late fifties running

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: around on this keep year. You might be in the

1341
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: greatest shape ever, but I mean you're still I mean,

1342
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: you're twenty eight or thirty year old. Is gonna run

1343
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: faster and being a little more mobile an area than

1344
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: the fifty something, mid fifties and sixty year old referees.

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: The question is, though, you know, it goes back to

1346
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: the whole experience debate. Is a twenty three year old

1347
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: referee the rule book enough? Yeah, you got to be,

1348
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: of course, and you guys spend five years in the

1349
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: in the in the mind to get the experience on

1350
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: the field. And you also, here's the other thing, you

1351
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: got to understand the rule book. You have to thick,

1352
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff, I mean it would take us ten

1353
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: shows to get through every single rule and how convoluted

1354
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: it is. And on top of that, especially that should

1355
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: be the priority before you, Yeah, because some of those

1356
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: are obscure, their obscures, and the people don't know the rules,

1357
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: they really don't. And the guys that do know the

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01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: rules are able to manipulate them a little bit more

1359
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: than the people that don't. Ye, they know how to

1360
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: pull the strings and so forth. Well, that is going

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Speaker 1: to wrap up this special edition of Big Blue Kicks.

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Speaker 1: It was indeed, and we thank Judy Batista for weighing

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Speaker 1: in on the Competition Committee rules. A reminder that we're

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna have special Big Blue Kickoff live programming starting on

1365
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: Wednesday through Friday with johnsh Melcom Paul Deatino. They'll be

1366
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: at the Combine in Indianapolis, and they'll be back up

1367
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: and running here in our East Rutherford, New Jersey Studios

1368
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: on Monday. As we continue to get you set for

1369
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: the upcoming NFL Draft as well as the start of

1370
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: free agency, we want to remind you Big Blue Kigoff

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: app to win Amazing Giants prizes. Jeff, always a pleasure,

1373
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. I wanted to ask you a quick question.

1374
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: That's why nobody wanted yes for a first free agent

1375
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: signed Giants who the position doesn't meant to be the

1376
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: player position. Okay, Well, I think the defensive front is

1377
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: the biggest priority, and I think that you need to

1378
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: address it in the draft. And I would say I

1379
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go after a veteran defensive lineman as

1380
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: a free agent. I'm gonna say edge guy. Yeah, that's

1381
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: interesting because that's where I think the most needed help is,

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: even even with the way that the draft is this year. Yeah, because,

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01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: like I said, Jeff, I think that the Giants are

1384
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: in a position you want to add a veteran and

1385
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: you want to add depth through the draft. I think

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: you hit it on both ways. I don't think you

1387
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: necessarily limit yourself to just one of the two venues.

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01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: See I'm I'm I'm intrigued by the safety position. I

1389
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: keep saying that that would be second on my list,

1390
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: but I just you know, with with the Landing Colin

1391
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: situation and where this is at and and and it's

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01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: just very interesting to me, very very interesting, and it

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: will soon be you know. Oh, by the way, the

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: first franchise tag was handed out today. Did you to

1395
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: hear that? You know, I did not see that. I

1396
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: was so involved in preparing an ex giant to an

1397
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: ex giant really at a great position other than punter,

1398
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: oh kicker, Let's see there were Okay, is it Robbie Gold?

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: He got San Francisco keeping the take. It's interesting because

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: I heard speculation that Chicago was going to maybe try

1401
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: to bring him back. Yeah, of course with what went

1402
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: on with Parky, Well, that's probably why they franchise. So

1403
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: the Niners used the tag. I know Stephen Gaskowski is

1404
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: another candidate for the franchise. You know, the Kickers, they

1405
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: get it. They it happens all the time because well,

1406
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: because it's inexpensive, it's not it's inexpensive, it's not overwhelming exactly.

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01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of disappoint you didn't bring this

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: up at the top of the show, Jeff. You let

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: me be hanging for sixty plus minutes. We could add

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Speaker 1: all the conversation about Robbie Gold on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, that is gonna wrap up shop

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Speaker 1: special thanks to everybody weighing in, those of you who

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: are listening, and once again stay lock the giants dot

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: com for all the latest regarding the combine and more

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: for Jeff Eagles on Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of

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01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: your Tuesday right here on giants dot com. Have a

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Speaker 1: go on