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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George, and

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Speaker 1: are you with you, Art Wilson Garden with us? Art.

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Speaker 1: How do the cards work? What's behind their success? Well?

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Speaker 1: Very simply, they're oracles and this is what oracles do.

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Speaker 1: And to understand what an oracle does psychologically, oracles do

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Speaker 1: three things. They translate a problem or a question into

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Speaker 1: an image language like that of dreams. That's one thing

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Speaker 1: they do. The oracles also mirror the unconscious forces shaping

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Speaker 1: any given moment or situation, the unseen. They pull that

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Speaker 1: out into awareness and then finally they reveal that in

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Speaker 1: every symptom, complict, or problem, there's an inner spirit trying

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Speaker 1: to communicate to you. So that's I mean, oracles have

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Speaker 1: been around for at least five thousand years and many

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Speaker 1: different oracles. The oldest oracle to exist into you know,

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Speaker 1: the modern age is the Chinese Yiching or Iching Tarot

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Speaker 1: is a Western Renaissance based oracle and it's but the

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Speaker 1: thing that makes it so unique is it works with images,

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Speaker 1: pictures and very very complex pictures in that they're filled

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Speaker 1: with all kinds of layers of meaning and imagery. Images

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Speaker 1: are the language of intuition. So Tarot cards and all

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Speaker 1: oracles really stimulate intuition, and they open up that way

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Speaker 1: of looking, and finally, intuition really shows us possibilities in

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Speaker 1: the present. They open up new possibilities in the present

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Speaker 1: situation that we haven't otherwise considered. Hard When you pulled

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Speaker 1: the death card or the double card or any of

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Speaker 1: these other heinous looking cards, is that bad news? Now?

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Speaker 1: You know you've asked me this many many times, and

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Speaker 1: you know my answer, Like you usually ask me, what

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Speaker 1: does it mean if I get the death card? And

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Speaker 1: I always tell you the same thing, George. It means

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Speaker 1: you're going to die. And of course you always say

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Speaker 1: that facetiously I do, because we're all going to die eventually,

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Speaker 1: and we just it doesn't say when you're going to

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Speaker 1: die or how you're going to die, but it is

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Speaker 1: the death archetype. It's a part of life, and so

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Speaker 1: when you pull the death card, you are there. You

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to consider the whole spectrum of meanings

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Speaker 1: associated with death and dying. The death card in tarot

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Speaker 1: is often interpreted as dissolution, transformation, metamorphosis. But also we

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Speaker 1: can't rule out you know, physical you know, death and

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Speaker 1: dying is all included within the spectrum of that particular archetype.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you will get the card running hide

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Speaker 1: or panic or anything like that. No. In fact, it's

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Speaker 1: a really great card because it most often in a

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Speaker 1: reading means it's kind of the end of a cycle.

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Speaker 1: The death. It's like an ego death. You could say

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, out with the old. But in

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Speaker 1: Tarot cards traditionally there's always in the death card a

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Speaker 1: rising sun in the background, meaning kind of death rebirth.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's out with the old, and it's really

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Speaker 1: about the you know, the lost part. But there's always

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Speaker 1: a new beginning arising in the card. So it opens

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Speaker 1: up both those both sides of that you know archetype.

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Speaker 1: As I would say, it doesn't also mean it could

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Speaker 1: be the death of a relationship, the death of a job,

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Speaker 1: or something like them. Absolutely, it could be the death

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Speaker 1: of a you know, the death of living in a

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Speaker 1: particular community and moving somewhere new um or it could

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Speaker 1: be the death of you know, being a parent of

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Speaker 1: go away to college. That's that's experienced as a kind

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Speaker 1: of death. You could say, absolutely, since you've been doing this,

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Speaker 1: you've been doing this for a long long time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what has been for you the most impactful thing with

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Speaker 1: the Tarot cards, Well, the Tarot cards goes under you know,

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Speaker 1: there's three levels, you could say, you know, there's our ordinary,

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Speaker 1: everyday situation level, and then there's the collective level, which

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Speaker 1: is you know, kind of an invisible scaffolding of what

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Speaker 1: we're all feeling in the culture based on you know,

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Speaker 1: the economy and what's happening in the world, and you

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Speaker 1: know what's happening in our age, et cetera. And then

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Speaker 1: the underneath that, there's the third level, which we might

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Speaker 1: call the deep self. And the Taro goes under those

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Speaker 1: first two levels and brings out your connection with the

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Speaker 1: deep self, where you connect with what you feel to

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Speaker 1: be true in your heart. That's that's the level um

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Speaker 1: that Taro really works, and it's extremely positive and spiritually based.

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Speaker 1: It seems like every Taro reader reading comes out with

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Speaker 1: spiritual self. Uh, And that's that's you know, there's all

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Speaker 1: these misconceptions about the Taro, and Taro has brought that

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Speaker 1: on itself and a lot of hoopla and a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, there's frauds and fakes and all that,

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Speaker 1: but the the the actually the art of taro is

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Speaker 1: a really deep, beautiful, brilliant thing. I think, how far

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Speaker 1: back do they go? Well, the first known cards were

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Speaker 1: discovered in Europe, know, late thirteen hundreds, and but their

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Speaker 1: origin is up for debate. Some some speculate that they

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Speaker 1: could originate all the way back to ancient Egypt or China,

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Speaker 1: some theorized India, some theorize um extra extraterrestrial origins. But

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Speaker 1: my own thought on that is that the taro u,

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Speaker 1: the first designer of Taro is the human imagination that

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Speaker 1: they emerge from human consciousness, and they are kind of

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Speaker 1: the blueprints of the you know what what what Young

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Speaker 1: called the collective unconscious, And they're universal and they the

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Speaker 1: images can vary, but the meaning behind them are kind

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Speaker 1: of the core universal parts that all human beings possess.

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Speaker 1: And so it gets you into kind of the universal

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Speaker 1: human experience or what happens if somebody gets to or

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Speaker 1: hires a bad tarot card reader or interpreter. Yeah, that happens,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it. Oh, it certainly does happen. It's something that

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Speaker 1: you know troubles me, and so I see, I don't

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Speaker 1: use tarot divination for predicting the future. Sometimes the reading

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Speaker 1: just calls for it because it's so obvious that it's

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Speaker 1: pointing to the future. But I see, I view a

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Speaker 1: reading as a deep examination of your present state of mind.

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Speaker 1: Explain that, what's that? Explain that? Well, I don't really

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Speaker 1: believe there is a future as we think of it.

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Speaker 1: The future is a concept, is a construct. The future

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Speaker 1: always emerges as a part of the present moment. It's

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Speaker 1: part of the now. It's all happening now. The future

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Speaker 1: is an idea, it's important idea, but it's happening in

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Speaker 1: this moment, and it's very changing. We tend to think

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Speaker 1: of the future as um existing in some in some

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Speaker 1: time dimension ahead of ourselves that we can't know. But

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Speaker 1: the future is accessible in the present moment. It's how

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Speaker 1: we view you are unfolding, how we view where we're

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Speaker 1: going or where we fear to go. But that's all

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Speaker 1: occurring in the present moment. If you have a tarot

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Speaker 1: reader who's very enlightened psychically, inclined. Does that make it

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Speaker 1: even better? Oh yes, oh yes, because not only if

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Speaker 1: they are, but if you're reading Tarot cards for very

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Speaker 1: advanced people. And I've I've read at like Buddhist retreat

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Speaker 1: me for readings and they just get it immediately. I

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Speaker 1: don't even have to say anything, you know, I'll present

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Speaker 1: because it's so you know, apparent, it's so obvious. You've

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Speaker 1: written how many books on tarot now? For right, or

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Speaker 1: probably going a couple of workbooks, but yeah, for one

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Speaker 1: is my deck which I created myself out of sam

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Speaker 1: play therapy. It's a very unique deck where I added

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Speaker 1: a few cards to the major arcana and it's called

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Speaker 1: Taro of the Nine Paths, which is also available on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: by the way, And my book Taro of the Future

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Speaker 1: is a deep philosophical look at the emerging themes of

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Speaker 1: our time and really it's all about the meaning of

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Speaker 1: time and as opposed to the experience of time. What

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Speaker 1: has been one of the strangest readings You've ever done art,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I'm sure there have been a lot. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the strangest one that

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Speaker 1: I thought was kind of a mute that comes up

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Speaker 1: for me is I was reading at a big party

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Speaker 1: tents and this is a you know, a black tie affair,

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Speaker 1: man sits down in my booth and I give him

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Speaker 1: a reading. It was a New Year's Um, it was

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Speaker 1: a New Year's Eve reading, and um. So I go

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Speaker 1: final card that I turned for him, I say, and really,

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Speaker 1: the you know, the theme of the coming year for

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Speaker 1: you will be And I turned the fool card right,

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Speaker 1: And then the man has this kind of really goofy

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Speaker 1: felt really curious. So I said, um, I'm curious, what

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Speaker 1: is it that you do, sir in your work? And

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Speaker 1: he said, oh, I'm a brain surgeon. I love it.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was amusing to me, with the

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Speaker 1: fool and all of that. She's not messing with my brain.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. You're going to say he's a

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Speaker 1: comedian in Hollywood or something like that. Have you seen

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the death card, but have you seen a

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Speaker 1: crisis or controversy with an individual when you flip cards?

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, even on your show, um there.

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Speaker 1: The last time I was on, there was a woman

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Speaker 1: very sweet woman. I was. She had all kinds an

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Speaker 1: the final card for her, and it it was kind

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Speaker 1: know they can feel it intuitively that what it really

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Speaker 1: and and so that's that's difficult, but it's it's true.

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Speaker 1: So but you have a sensitivity about you, though, Art,

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Speaker 1: don't you. I'm an intuitive. I'm an intuitive and Taro

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Speaker 1: has really helped to open my intuition. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: a natural intuitive and in my in my work as

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Speaker 1: a therapist, I mean, I like I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: I see thirty five patients every week, so I've the

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Speaker 1: work itself. Working with people on that kind of deeper

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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so all of that, it's just kind

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