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Speaker 1: dot com Factory. Hello everybody, Happy holidays. Griffin and I

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Speaker 1: are very very happy to present you all with a review.

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Speaker 1: I will remind you all that Griffin himself was an

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Speaker 1: attendee of NYU Film School, so we have a real

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Speaker 1: film critic here with us, in addition to just an amateur,

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Speaker 1: an amateur tour like myself, not a tour, an amateur tour,

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Speaker 1: a centophile cinophile like myself. Here we are going to

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Speaker 1: conduct here a review of Reefer Madness. This is Griffin.

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Speaker 1: To make this a true and a proper movie review.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you break us down, break down for us

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Speaker 1: this film, what year came out a little bit about

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Speaker 1: it and some of its cultural legacy, because we're almost

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Speaker 1: certain almost one hundred percent of you have not seen it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, almost, I bet some people in the audience have

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Speaker 3: pleasure to be here. Happy holidays to everyone in the audience.

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Speaker 3: I will have to know not here at the top

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Speaker 3: that we're recording this now out over the holidays, but

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Speaker 3: which is kind of a personal nine to eleven for

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Speaker 3: Sager and Jetty Sagar in this moment. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: And does that bring any context to the film?

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Speaker 1: It bras a lot of context to the film. This

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Speaker 1: important personally. I think this is one of the most

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into some of the problems I think

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Speaker 1: Which is which is definitely to our benefit so that

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Speaker 1: But also, like, have you watched the film before. I'd

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Speaker 1: This is my first time too, well, this is my

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Speaker 1: it's tightly composed, as in, like the scene itself, the

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Speaker 1: The accents are hilarious, you know, some eighty nine year old. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're vernacular, and the way that they talk. I am,

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing a suit because I believe that you should

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Speaker 3: kind of like Sean Duffy for airports, like I think

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Speaker 3: going to see Five Nights at Freddy's two. Absolutely, So

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Speaker 3: all right, While on that note, you know, we want

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Speaker 3: My general reaction, having never seen it before and only

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Speaker 3: That has almost a zombie infection level of intensity to it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it drags definitely, which is kind of crazy to

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Speaker 1: of what we learn is that Bill is kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, Bill and Jimmy are both victims semi the main

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Speaker 3: get to that scene, that Romeo and Juliet scene. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: the imagery to me was Adam and Eve before the Apple.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's smart. Yeah, you're definitely right.

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Speaker 3: They're in a garden, it's idyllic, and they're angelic, and

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Speaker 1: Oh that's very smart. You're really saying, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. You're absolutely right, that is what they were

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Speaker 1: There's been very little, uh scrutiny people. Then then of

432
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: course the pushback is always like, well then that's why

433
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: they need to federally legalize it, and it's like, well,

434
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: that will only create more of a permission and structure.

435
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, in the context of this film, the

436
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: dangers are sexual assault and murder, which I think are avoidable,

437
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: which I think I think are a product of the

438
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: individual drug dealer system. As opposed to having stores. I

439
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: don't think that you would be assaulted in the store.

440
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: We will get to marijuana's users and their links to violence,

441
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: uh to mass shootings, UH to murder, to psychoasts, to suicide.

442
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: We forgot to mention suicide suicide warning here there is

443
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: also a suicide marijuana and do suicide here in the film.

444
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: I would argue, it's actually not marijuana induced.

445
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: Oh oh, it's it's a guilt induced. Yeah, guilt.

446
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 3: That was that what blew my mind because I always

447
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: thought that it was it was marijuana induced.

448
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: From the I think that we made her go crazy

449
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: at that point. Once you've gone crazy, well that.

450
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: Is a lot of people are a lot of people

451
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: are about to go crazy, like any good horror zombie film. Yes, okay,

452
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: so you said there's these guys that are kind of

453
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: these creepy drug deal up again. On the left here

454
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: is Jack, who's like the adult drug dealer, and on

455
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: the right is Ralph, who's kind of like the bad

456
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: kid ensnare. And you know, not only is this film,

457
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, worrying about weed, but it's worrying about people

458
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: like Ralph who are college dropouts that still hang out

459
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: with the high school kids. You gotta stay away from

460
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: those guys. Those guys are bad news, okay, And I

461
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 3: have one hundred percent agree with the filmmakers on that

462
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 3: they're not good. So they go to the they take

463
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: the kids back to this jazz flop house or what

464
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: have you. People are like having fun and and oh,

465
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: this might actually be at like a restaurant.

466
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: Or something like that. That was it was like a restaurant.

467
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're trying to like ensnare the kids and like

468
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: bring them back to their apartment and then you know,

469
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: eventually it takes a while, but I noted here thirteen

470
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: forty it takes fourteen minutes almost for the first weed

471
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: to be presented on screen, and it's from the piano

472
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Speaker 3: man at at this restaurant, and he is he's he's

473
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: making them. It makes them wild, but he doesn't he

474
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: doesn't kill anyone or anything. He just like, uh, he

475
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 3: just has a good time. And and it's kind of

476
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: starts just shaking uh and kind of like sneaking it.

477
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: So that that's that's our first instance of weed, right,

478
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: that's our very.

479
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: First view of weed here in the film. What it

480
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: does capture is the long fetishization of musicians of marijuana

481
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: and how they're always claiming that it makes them better

482
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: at music. And so in fact, this is one of

483
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: two piano weed sequences that we will see here in

484
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: the film in which it seems to enhance their musical performance.

485
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: So I would say that's a trope. Yeah, that's a

486
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: trope that carries through the film.

487
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: Yes, something like almost as if like it's the devil's

488
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: siren call or music that's draw pulling them in. So

489
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: this is where we're starting to see people smoke for

490
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: the first time, and it takes kind of a long

491
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: lingering time of them like trying to ensnare these teenagers.

492
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: We get a little bit more here of this of

493
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: the piano man just kind of tweaking out, uh, And

494
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: then we get our first kind of like time cross

495
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: in cross cut scene where we have both our are

496
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: both are good boys. Bill and Jimmy are in different

497
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: areas and about to both smoke weed for the first time. Yes,

498
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: now Bill smokes weed and like ends up like making

499
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: out with a girl and they just kind of have

500
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: fun and dance around. It seems okay with Jimmy. Jimmy

501
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: is at in his car, and he asks Jack the

502
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: drug dealer, for a cigarette, and Jack gives him a

503
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: marijuana cigarette and it makes him high. And then what

504
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: happens to Saga after that.

505
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: It's a very unfortunate and in fact, and one of

506
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: the most important messages of the film, high driving kills,

507
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: high driving kills. And what unfortunately happened is that he

508
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: drives away, he loses control of his faculties and he

509
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately ends up killing a pedestrian, which is one of

510
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: the dangers that we have right now.

511
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: My god, yep, wow.

512
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: Tragic, tragic, tragic, very very tragic.

513
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Little did they know, little did they know the horrors

514
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: that we would live to see in the year twenty

515
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: twenty five. Actually, Griffin, Yeah, because I want to put

516
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: up some of the stuff about the film. That's correct,

517
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: I have in the links that I sent you about

518
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: Deadly Driving. Can you put my tweet up there on

519
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: the screen just so we can show all of you. Unfortunately,

520
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: not nearly enough data is released because because they don't

521
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: want us to know the truth. Everybody talks about drunk driving.

522
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: That's great, I mean, there's nothing wrong with warning about

523
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: drunk driving. But as you guys can see, their new

524
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: study out of I think it was the state of

525
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Michigan owed that forty percent of drivers who died in

526
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: motor vehicle collisions tested positive for THC in their system,

527
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and the average blood levels for exceeding those were considered

528
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: to cause impairment. Now, a lot of people have said, oh,

529
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: they could have smoked in the last thirty days. Those

530
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: people lack reading comprehension, including amounts that could have caused impairment.

531
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: Nearly forty percent of the people who died in a

532
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: mortar vehicle crash, now forty percent of people dying with

533
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: a level of THC in their blood that could cause impairment.

534
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: That fundamentally is one of the core one of the

535
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: core claims of this movie is that it impairs your judgment,

536
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: that it makes you go crazy, that it causes violence specifically,

537
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: can also cause violence and impairment that will harm others.

538
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: And that was the first instance I think that we

539
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: see you can correct me if I'm wrong of a

540
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: death related to marijuana on screen, which again you know

541
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: this became ridiculed in later years, but as I just

542
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: showed you all from the data, unambiguously a correct claim.

543
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: And so that was the first of many horrors that

544
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: we would live to see.

545
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: I agree and disagree with you on this point because

546
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: I think that it is true that people are smoking

547
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: more weed and driving and becoming worst drivers. But in

548
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: the movie it makes him speed up weed drivers are

549
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: slowing down there.

550
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I think that's a meme. I think that's a meme.

551
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: They're in the left hand laned like in the fast lane,

552
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: going like fifty in the sixty five, but like they're

553
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: still getting crashes and doing bad turns, like they're still

554
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: doing bad driving. And I hear am in LA. I'm

555
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: actually way mo pilled now. I think people are so

556
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: bad at driving. They've lost the privilege. There's no should

557
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: be no more driving allowed, should just be way most

558
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: because everyone's on their phone or or high uh and

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, but I'm losing too much of my

560
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: personal life to poor driving out here.

561
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: That's fair. I mean, look at the very least. They

562
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: may not they may have showed it incorrectly by going

563
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: too fast, but their core claim that it will cause death,

564
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: especially behind a motor vehicle, is correct. It was absolutely correct.

565
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: And I wish they presented it as because he's secretly drugged.

566
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: I think the sin here is you shouldn't drug someone

567
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: before they drive, like unknowingly, And it's like this happens

568
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: multiple times in the film where someone asks for a

569
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: normal cigarette and then they are drugged with a marijuana cigarette,

570
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: which I think was also like a big fear they

571
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: were trying to push at the time. You gotta really

572
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: check your SIGs so that that happens. The hint run happens,

573
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: and then Jimmy kind of has his first moment of

574
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: like being dementedly high when we cut back to him.

575
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: I've got it right here at the time code twenty

576
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: six minutes, but the film starts to have these ghastly

577
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: demented faces when people are high to kind of show

578
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: their transformation. Oh wait, sorry, this is Jimmy coming home.

579
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: So Jimmy's coming home and he's paranoid because he just

580
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: hits someone and he's kind of high. And Mary, the

581
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: sister the angelic innocence, is worried about him and can

582
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: tell something's wrong. So then we're treated back to our

583
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: doctor Carrol here, who returns again in the middle of

584
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: the film, and he is talking to someone else about

585
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: the horrors horrors of marijuana. Essentially, there's a few different

586
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: horror stories, and he mentions one woman who was caught

587
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: having sex with five men. That's that's essentially the scene.

588
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: Any thoughts there.

589
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: This will be one of the few. So I did

590
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: wait for that. I did look at whether it causes socials.

591
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: You play it, play it all right.

592
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 7: Let me show you something. In nineteen thirty the records

593
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 7: on marijuana and the Washington office of an narcotics division

594
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 7: scarcely build a small folder.

595
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: Like okay, this part's good too.

596
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 7: They built cabinets.

597
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the cabinets. He's got cabinets of weights.

598
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's shocking that he used to be a

599
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: folder folded to marijuana records.

600
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: There being the system is over overrun, overwhelmed.

601
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 7: A sixteen year old lad apprehended in the act are

602
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 7: staging a hold up. Sixteen years old and a marijuana addict.

603
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 7: Here is the most cranchic case.

604
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 5: Yes, I remember, just a young boy under the influence

605
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: of the drug. He killed his entire family with an X.

606
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 7: Then there is the most vicious type of case.

607
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, in Michigan, a.

608
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 7: Younger seventeen years old, a reaper smokers taken in a

609
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 7: rate in the company with five young men here is

610
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 7: a particularly flaps.

611
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 5: Yes, I remember the newspapers.

612
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, of course, I'm a real head. Doctor Kill's

613
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: a real head. He's seen every one of these. Look.

614
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: That was one of the few claims in the movie

615
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: that was not correct. It does not cause sexual premacy,

616
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: which is obviously was a moral panic, I guess at

617
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: the time. But the axe murderer one that tracks that

618
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: tracks going crazy and killing your entire family. That's definitely

619
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: something which marijuana induce psychosis and violence is particularly causing

620
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: a violence schizophrenic break. It's exactly something that could happen,

621
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: and we've seen Kurt certain instances of that already here

622
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: in the year in the twenty twenties, especially post legalization.

623
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: But yes, I will admit that one thing the film

624
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: does seem very obsessed with sex Griffin and I think

625
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: that was the Christian funding and also oh, because that

626
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: was obviously was something that they were trying to hammer

627
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: home at the time. The history that we learned about

628
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: the film too, about how they were trying to play

629
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: it in the exploitation houses and others as kind of

630
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: a draw for titillation almost you know. For at the time,

631
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I did think it at a few instances, I'm like,

632
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: this is kind of a risk a film for nineteen

633
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: thirty six, you know, I've seen I'm trying to think

634
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: of there's that film The Best Years of Our Lives

635
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: for nineteen forty six. That's probably the oldest movie I've

636
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: seen that I actually really love. And I do remember

637
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: thinking I'm like, oh, well, you know, it's very conservative,

638
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: even there were a few scenes even in that, but

639
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: this was a much more riskue film, and this was

640
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: made ten years earlier than that one. But it does

641
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: make sense given the Christian and funding and eventually how

642
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: it ended up playing in some of these places not

643
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: just for titillation but for entertainment, So it did kind

644
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: of make sense in that way. The film is obsessed

645
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: with sex in a very weird way.

646
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that is rooted back to

647
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: and again something that this film doesn't really take a

648
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: swing on. Like I thought this film was going to

649
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: be a lot more racist, because ultimately, like a lot

650
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: of the a lot of the anti well I mean,

651
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: and that is kind of racist in its own sense,

652
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: but like the the anti marijuana stuff in the early

653
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: days was like don't let your like white daughter smoke

654
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: weed with black or Mexican guys because they're going to

655
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: be loose with them is like a pretty popular Yeah

656
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: you never heard that before, No, I A.

657
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: I think we grew up in Texas, like forty percent

658
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: of people around us were Latino.

659
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's right, and I don't imagine your parents

660
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: telling you that. But but that is a trope. And uh,

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: there was also this, if I'm not mistaken, them putting

662
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: the h in and changing from mara uh jajuana to

663
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: marijuana was some sort of attempt to make it sound

664
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: Mexican or Spanish really, because there was a large attempt

665
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: to associate marijuana as all coming from Mexico.

666
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: And then well, to be fair, at that time, that

667
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: was true, all right, so that's actually was coming from Mexico.

668
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: So they were trying to connect even just the actual

669
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: phrase the word ology of it to Mexico in those senses.

670
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: And I have heard about the other stuff, the sex stuff.

671
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: But again, this film doesn't really take a ton of

672
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: swings in in that in that racial direction that you

673
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: impurify your white daughters or what have you. So then

674
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: we get to after this, doctor Carroll enters the plot

675
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: and sits down Bill because he's worried about Bill. And

676
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, I had to say I wrote down in

677
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: my notes here I was like, I kind of got

678
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: some respect for doctor Carroll.

679
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: After he's looking at his pupils.

680
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: He's looking at for his pupils, and he says the

681
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: right things here.

682
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: That seems to be something wrong. What is it you

683
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: at all? As a fine student? You always had excellent

684
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: great I guess the word is getting a little harder,

685
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: doctor Carroll. Now now it isn't that real. I'd like

686
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: to help you, but of course I can't unless you

687
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 5: let me. You're under mining your help. Well, there's nothing,

688
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 5: doctor Carroll, really, there isn't. I'll study harder, honest, honest,

689
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 5: if you were being honest with me, I'm honest with

690
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: your step I'm afraid you tell me an entirely different story.

691
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: Real I am.

692
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you a straightforward question, and I'd

693
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: like to have a straightforward answer. Yes, sir, isn't it

694
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 5: true that you have perhaps unwillingly, quite a certain harmful

695
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 5: habit through association with certain undesirable people. Well, no, sir,

696
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 5: I haven't, doctor Carroll. Well that is you. You see,

697
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 5: I'm I'm worried about something at home. All right, by boy,

698
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: we'll just have to let it go with that. I remember,

699
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 5: if you ever want to confide in me, no one

700
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: will be the wise.

701
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: See that was really nice.

702
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: It was nice.

703
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: It was that's great. He's great. He's been a great

704
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: adult role model figure in his life. He's trying to

705
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: be honest with him, and he says, you can come clean.

706
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: And then he has a lot of grace and says,

707
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: you know what, my door's always open to you.

708
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that, Uh look, it captures again, it

709
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: captures marijuana behavior correctly. Griffin, You and I at the

710
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: very least you'll admit this. We all know a guy

711
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: who was normal started smoking weed. We became his entire

712
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: personality or a girl whatever. It's just definitely both genders

713
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: and and they just you know, they completely drop, They

714
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: become demotivated, lazy. All the tropes are true. Uh you know,

715
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: sitting around, I mean it can it can be running

716
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: around with an old with a bad crowd, right. I

717
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: mean that that's ultimately what happens to our hero to

718
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: Bill who was.

719
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: With and they can be that with any addiction. I

720
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: think that I feel just as bad for Disney adults.

721
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: Uh there Disneyland fifteen times a year, you know, you

722
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: know my.

723
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: I agree, I honestly could be even more expensive. It

724
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: could be even more expensive.

725
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: It's sick, and I'm ready to reschedule the drug of Disney.

726
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I'd be right there with you, brother.

727
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So we keep moving on, and now we're getting

728
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: to another famous meme moment. So you know, Bill doesn't

729
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: take doctor Carroll's advice, goes back to the flop house

730
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: and we get some of our big first demented uh

731
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 3: smoking weed and they're having sex.

732
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.

733
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Everything's everything is getting wild. And then we've got uh

734
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 3: have his crazy laugh. I think he does a crazy

735
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: laugh here. Okay, this is the this is the this

736
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: is the shot. Yeah, it's almost a pain's laugh. It's demented.

737
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: It looks like he's in pain, but he is getting laid.

738
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: He's getting chicks, so it's kind of you're kind of torn.

739
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: You're like, he's getting chicks, but uh, it seems like

740
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 3: he's in physical pain. And then we get another mean

741
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: moment here, another famous moment I wrote with Ralph in

742
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: the chair in the piano here, so they're both playing

743
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 3: the piano. It seems like they're on crack and then

744
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: here's going he's paranoid in the chair, just blasting.

745
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Its tragic. It's tragic.

746
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now have you witnessed these behaviors from someone smoking weed?

747
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: Soger, I mean grifven. I I unfortunately am in the

748
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: era where I just had to witness a bunch of

749
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: men playing FIFA all the time.

750
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: But which is cold, that's even sicker. That's by the way,

751
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: way worse, way worse. I would have much rather been

752
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: enthralled by piano dance.

753
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: Flophouse a flophouse. But look, I mean what it captures

754
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: this part of the film, which again is it's obsessed

755
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: with sexual promiscuity. This is a setup for impairment, for sin,

756
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: which will lead to our first tragic death or sorry,

757
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: a second tragic death and a marijuana induced violent death unfortunately,

758
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: and which ensnares are beautiful how did you call her?

759
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: Our eve character? And are are unwashed? Are are like

760
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: untainted character? Innocent lamb who is killed in an unfortunate

761
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: marijuana related accident.

762
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: So this I'm gonna I'm gonna skip forward to that

763
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: scene because it's crazy and there's a lot to break down.

764
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: But Essentially it's a crazy scene. Essentially all of the

765
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: kids are at this party now, all of the everybody's there,

766
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: and Ralph is very clearly flirting with the innocent Mary

767
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: here and once again, uh when someone asks Mary asks

768
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: for a cigarette and she's handed a marijuana cigarette instead

769
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: and doesn't know it's weed. So once again, like I

770
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: think it's like, yeah, it's bad. It's bad to drug people,

771
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: it's bad to secretly drug, bad to drug people, and

772
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: I almost bad to do drugs. I almost wish the

773
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: characters chose to smoke weeds as opposed to being secretly drug.

774
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: Again though that that is a metaphor for the marijuana industry,

775
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: for the industry which is constantly pushing this stuff on you,

776
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: all of the advertisement, all of the uh, you know,

777
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: my wife and I we watched Knocked Up recently, great film,

778
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: great film, Love the film, but the weed propaganda is unbelievable,

779
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: just like the stoner worship, and it's shocking to think,

780
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: like people, we were all just taking that in in

781
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: seven yeah, Pineapple expread We're like, oh, just look at

782
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: these chill, hilarious fun stoners. Nothing ever goes wrong in

783
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: their life. By the way, if you watch it. It's

784
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: a very subversive pop film if you're looking for it.

785
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: I actually think that's one of the most anti weed

786
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: and pro life films ever made. Like by far, it's shocking,

787
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: it's shocking to watch it. It's actually wow. I think

788
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: it has been almost twenty years since that movie came out.

789
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: It was it was an seven. But what does she

790
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: immediately do? This is a huge pivots and knocked Up.

791
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: She's like, you need to stop smoking weed. He had

792
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: to stop smoking smoking weed to become a father, to

793
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: become a good companion, to grow up and so but anyways,

794
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: the point of it around this is about the propaganda

795
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of that surrounds convincing you that smoking weed is cool,

796
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: and that is what both that film and this film

797
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: kind of combined together. So it's a string of nearly

798
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: seventy years that you could see.

799
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: Wow, from Reafer Madness to Knocked Up the spiritual sequel. So, okay,

800
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta break down this scene. I don't

801
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: want to show a lot of a lot of imagery,

802
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: but essentially what happens is Ralph starts to trick Mary

803
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: into smoking weed. Mary gets high, and then Ralph begins

804
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: to sexually assault her, like violently too, like out of nowhere. Yeah, truly,

805
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: he's like crazy, he's like fighting her. And then it

806
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: gets even crazier because Bill comes out, and and Bill

807
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: comes out. Bill comes out after that, and Bill misinterprets

808
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: the sexual assault as consensual because he's so high, which

809
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: is like exactly a crazy extra layer I didn't think

810
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: I needed for the moment. But so he's misinterpreted as consensual.

811
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: But he still breaks it up because he's jealous exactly,

812
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: and he's like, get off of.

813
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: Her, even though he just cheated on her with Blanche,

814
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: who is yeah, has not been Blanche has right, Oh

815
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I know. I mean that is the

816
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: very nineteen thirties of it, is that even though he

817
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: just cheated on her, he's very upset that she's cheating

818
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: on well, he thinks that she's cheating on him even

819
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: though she is being like violently sexually assaulted. But it

820
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: leads to one of the climaxes here of our film.

821
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's honestly, like him having sex with Blanche

822
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: is kind of like how in Midsummer the boyfriend gets

823
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: drugged and everything. It's it's great kind of like.

824
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: That.

825
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. You're absolutely right.

826
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: So he pulls Ralph off of off of Mary after

827
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: misinterpreting his consensual Then Jack comes in to break up

828
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: this fight that's going down, brings out his gun, hits uh,

829
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: hits him over the over the head. Here, let's take

830
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: a watch. Wow, Now I have to say here on

831
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: the cinema angle I did right here? Why didn't they

832
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: have any music for any of these actions?

833
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: You're totally right.

834
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: There's just no music here and you can really feel it.

835
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. Oh my god, No, it's.

836
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: Mary, that Perry that killed me. When I saw that,

837
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, when that happened, they

838
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: got me. I was shocked. I was totally shocked when

839
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: she was killed. So she was tragically killed in this uh,

840
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: in this scuffle when he pulls out the gun. And

841
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, we had I mean a violent sexual assault,

842
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: uh just lead to a misunderstanding, lead to a murder,

843
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: all within a minute and a half. And yeah, it

844
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: just shows you how how things get quickly spiral out

845
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: of control when you're on weed.

846
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: Uh. And and again I would say that I think

847
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: the part that there that is the most connected in

848
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: the film is somehow that he smoked weed and then

849
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: became kind of rape. Ye. I think that part's connected.

850
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: But again I think the murder has to do with

851
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: the fact that they are in an illegal storefront for weed, whereas.

852
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Well, people smoke weed ever where. Now it doesn't like

853
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: this could lead to this leads to violence out in

854
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: public as well as in private, but because.

855
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: Of its illegality, they're resorted to being around unsavory characters

856
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: that have guns and can kill them. And so I

857
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: think that the murder is related to independent drug dealing,

858
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: which is what happens when it's illegal. So that all happens,

859
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: and then it's about to get way crazier because now

860
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: Jack is going to try to frame our protagonist Bill

861
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: for the murder. And Bill is so high he thinks

862
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: he killed.

863
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: Mary marijuana and do psychosis, yes, so forgetful memory.

864
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 3: So he like pours some water on him and basically

865
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: is like, you kill her, and he totally buys it.

866
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: Very tragic.

867
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 5: What happened?

868
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: He killed her? You killed her? Oh okay, all right?

869
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: So now they have framed poor Bill, and there is

870
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: this whole long thing with this trial during this court trial,

871
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Doctor Carroll shows up and rats on Billy and all

872
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: of my good will that doctor Carroll had earned in

873
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: the past scene where he said you can come to me,

874
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: you can tell me anything. He breaks his doctor's oath

875
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: of confidentiality and rats Bill out in court for being addicted.

876
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: Arry was killed. He didn't know he was protecting her legacy.

877
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: He had to speak up. He saw the evil rot

878
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: this woman of an innocent life was taken and he

879
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: had to speak up for her, and he did. He

880
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: didn't know what he was doing was wrong. I think

881
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: doctor Carroll did the right thing.

882
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, that's a good T shirt. So now there's

883
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: a lot of drama. You know, there's some there's some

884
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: jury stuff. It's all kind of boring at this point.

885
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: It was a bad stretch of the movie. The trial

886
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of sense, especially the jury part

887
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: where they have this part where we won't bore you

888
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: with it, but there was a reluctant juror. Yeah, and

889
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't really explained why.

890
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: It's like twelve angry men in like rhipteen seconds.

891
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It was just a bad part of the story. Like,

892
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't fit and he ends up caving

893
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: and voting. Anyways, So anyway, yeah, we get through the

894
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: trial where doctor Carrol reveals Bill's marijuana use and kind

895
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: of his distrust. But then that takes us back to

896
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: our unsavory characters who are continuing up their shenanigans.

897
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: Yes, and we're about to get to that. I did

898
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: have one question for you in the jury scene, Tager.

899
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 3: Did you notice the noose imagery in the jury scene?

900
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: I did not.

901
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna play right here, Joey. But here's what happens.

902
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 3: They're talking in the jury scene and then there's this

903
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: hangar for a light, like a pull down string light here,

904
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: and it turns it turns into a news Oh wow,

905
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: you see that. Yeah, it's it's the most artistic. It's creepy,

906
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: isn't it.

907
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: That is creepy.

908
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: It's the most like avant garde moment in the film.

909
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: And I was I was struck by it. I was struck.

910
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: I you know that I noticed it, But it didn't

911
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: it didn't even stick Like. I wasn't like, oh yeah

912
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: that's it. But oh it makes sense, makes sense. Well,

913
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: I think it shows you the stakes of the jury decision.

914
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: There of finding him guilty, which they were gonna hang it.

915
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna hang him when they do find him guilty.

916
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so now we're getting to like the dark night

917
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: of the soul part of the of the film. Uh. Here, essentially,

918
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 3: you know, the bad kids, Ralph and Blanche are still

919
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: hanging out at the flophouse. They're worried that they're gonna

920
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: get called into court or what have you. And the

921
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: drug dealer Jack is talking to his boss, and his

922
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: boss essentially is saying, hey, why don't you silence and

923
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: kill all these kids so that no one can can

924
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: talk in court? Is is that essentially what happened? Is

925
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: that fairness?

926
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Say? That's a good Yeah.

927
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: So there there there's again I wrote I wrote no

928
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: music in these scenes, which is weird. But there's also

929
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: two iconic moments here that are constantly referenced. There is,

930
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: uh this like more demented paranoia, like Ralph is really

931
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: losing his mind here as we can see.

932
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 4: What can hang.

933
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: They do more piano and this is the famous piano

934
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: scene where he goes he goes fasta fasta which again

935
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: not something you typical. Here a stoner say, like again,

936
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: now I listen, I've.

937
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: Been around cos it hits people in different ways.

938
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just from my own experiences. This reminds me

939
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: of some some more cocaine related incidents. Now, that is

940
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: probably one of the most iconic images in the history.

941
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: Like one of the memes that you see is this

942
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 3: guy so high covering his face, freaking the fuck out.

943
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: You'll just see that all over the place, Yes, all

944
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: over the internet. He's grabbing his face. He can't, he can't,

945
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: he doesn't even know what's going on anymore. And then

946
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: of course we get to the drug dealers who are

947
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: coming in. It gets really it gets really convoluted, so

948
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: we're not going to hit every moment of it. But

949
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: the drug dealers come in, they try to silence Ralph,

950
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: and then Ralph ends up beating one of the drug

951
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: dealers to death with a stick.

952
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: Yes, he beats Jack to death with a stick, which

953
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: is like a moment of karmic justice because Jack was

954
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: actually the person who shot Mary, and Ralph wanted to

955
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: rat Jack out and didn't want Bill ultimately to swing.

956
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: But it was pretty violent, like it was a violent

957
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: death that he beats him there on the camera, and

958
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: it tries to find redemption ultimately with what's her name

959
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: is it? May? With May, the police all bust in

960
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: after the death, and May decides to tell the police

961
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: that actually Bill did not kill Mary, that it was Jack.

962
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: And she has a tearful kind of moment where she

963
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: confesses the truth. But then as she's consumed own guil

964
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: the moment, we'll play the moment.

965
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: All right, She's consumed by her own guilt and begins

966
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: walking down a hallway in proper probably one of the

967
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: most famous scenes in cinema history. Let's take a watch.

968
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: The good times are flashing. By just going through the

969
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: whole film again, I think it's pretty beautifully shot.

970
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the window and just how we get to that

971
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: window is crazy.

972
00:55:54,080 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: Wow. I love the reaction from the lady there, the

973
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: two hands up.

974
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: Ah, well, ham fisted. But you know very of the

975
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: moment for its time.

976
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: I thought, now my entire life, knowing the film only

977
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 3: through memes, I thought that the film was insinuating that

978
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: she got high and it made her jump out a window.

979
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: Right, nor exactly right.

980
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: It's not for guilt.

981
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: It was the guilt, although as we've said, I do

982
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: believe it was a marijuana residues. She had gone crazy

983
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: and because of that she could not handle the consequences

984
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: both of her actions. And she had marijuana and do psychosis,

985
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: which caused her to commit suicide, which, by the way, tragically,

986
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: and we can get to this later on when I

987
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: put up some of the links is actually something that

988
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: has been medically and scientifically proven to be real marijuana

989
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: and do psychosis leading to suicide. Tragic by the way,

990
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, suicide hotline and all of that. If anybody

991
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: is struggling right now, do not use chat shept as

992
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: we cover on our show.

993
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I.

994
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: Would say, what that That's that's the real That's the

995
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: the last big moment before the film ends.

996
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: And we ended by doctor Carroll as the end of

997
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: the Greek chorus where he gives the final line and

998
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: breaks the fourth wall. Let's take a final listen to

999
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: that final.

1000
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 6: Favorite possibility of a thirteen. How the tragedy is like,

1001
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 6: we must work untiringly so that our children are a

1002
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 6: life alone the truth, because it is only through knowledge

1003
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 6: that we can safely protect them.

1004
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Sailing this.

1005
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: The next tragedy maybe that of your daughter, or your son.

1006
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 8: Or your or your are you tell your children, tell

1007
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 8: your children, perfect we're telling them.

1008
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: We're telling them right now.

1009
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if you guys have chars, so.

1010
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: We'll get I want to get into your facts. My

1011
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: big picture takes from this are It was a little

1012
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: boring at times, but it was also I felt like,

1013
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: if I'm approaching it as a sci fi zombie horror movie,

1014
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: I think there were some beautiful shots. I think there

1015
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: were some bizarre acting befitting of a horror movie of

1016
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: like a zombie infection that fits for that time period.

1017
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: So on those merits, I kind of enjoyed more of

1018
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: the elements of the film than I expected. But ultimately,

1019
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: I think the argument the film accidentally makes, and maybe

1020
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: it was just for its time, but that to me,

1021
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: the criminalization and the lack of a storefront or government

1022
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: operated space for people to safely purchase and use marijuana

1023
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: leads to murder, sexual assault, and and all the other things.

1024
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point for this. First of all,

1025
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: let me just wrap it like like you said, it's

1026
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: sixty eight minutes a short film. It's kind of crazy

1027
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: to have a sixty eight minute film which drags. But

1028
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: I think, also again, though I want to be fair,

1029
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: people cannot conceive of how pre phones, a lot of

1030
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: movies were long, or they just included stuff which made

1031
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of sense. Have you ever watched

1032
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: The Deer Hunter? Griffin? Yeah, yeah, I watched The Deer

1033
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: Hunter recently. Oh my god, man, it drags, like for

1034
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: a classic film. There are some long, lingering scenes which

1035
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, this easily could have cut. I think

1036
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: it had been two hours and twenty minutes, it would

1037
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: have ripped. But that's not the point of the film,

1038
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: and that's fine. My point is just that, you know,

1039
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: in especially at this time, when a lot of the

1040
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: reason people even went to the movies was just to

1041
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: kill an hour. They didn't have television. All they had

1042
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: at home was books, They had nothing radio, right, and

1043
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: so they wanted to be visually entertained. The stuff that

1044
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: drags for us doesn't didn't necessarily drag for them. But yeah,

1045
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: in its time, I think it was probably better at

1046
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: it time, more appreciated. But for us in the moment,

1047
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: there are definitely times when I wouldn't say it's nearly

1048
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: that successful capturing your attention, which is ultimately, you know,

1049
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: to be entertained, like that's the purpose of a film.

1050
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: Now again, and I want to put some of these

1051
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: facts up here. You already put the one up there

1052
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: about driving, but let me.

1053
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: Which one you're on next.

1054
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: I think they deleted, No, I got them.

1055
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Which one you on next?

1056
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: Okay? The next one that I wanted to put up

1057
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: here is so one of the central themes about it

1058
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: was Billy his he becomes stupider, he becomes less reliable.

1059
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: Let's put the one up about marijuana reduces IQ. I

1060
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: just want to say that every every claim that I'm

1061
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: making here is backed up by multiple scientific studies. It

1062
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: is empirically and statistically now proven that long term marijuana use,

1063
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: especially when started young, dramatically by almost five points, reduces IQ.

1064
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: It's in the middle to middle to long term, and

1065
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: as they say they're in midlife, you can see it

1066
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: whenever you're controlling even for other factors.

1067
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: The second thing, just on this article right here, port

1068
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: and point, the average content of THHC in smoked whole

1069
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: plant products has risen from one percent to four percent

1070
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: in the nineteen seventies to fifteen to thirty percent today's

1071
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: cannabis dispensaries. And that I think is like actually a

1072
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: pretty for lack of a better word potent argument.

1073
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean this, this is Look, the film may

1074
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: have dramatized you know what would have been smaller reactions.

1075
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have seen it as much at the time.

1076
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: But in the age of high potentc THCHC. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this film is more relevant than ever. Almost

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: everything they say is actually even more relevant to our

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: lives today in relation to societal use of WHEED. The

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01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: second thing I do want to show you is about

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: the crazy behavior. Can you put the one about high

1082
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: THHC products and er visit it's there's this new thing

1083
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: called scramating, scrammating.

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Speaker 3: Which I haven't taught.

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01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can see er doctors sounding the alarm

1086
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: on a fast growing cannabis illness. Cannabis induced violent vomiting.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: It leads it can lead to multi day stays in

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Speaker 1: the hospital. This is absolutely a result of high potency TAC,

1090
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: but also of teenage UCH, which again is up especially

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: in states where legalization has happened. The next one that

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: I do want to put up here is it causes

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Speaker 1: violence and suicide. So put the scientific American up there,

1094
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: just about the link between cannabis and psychosis and teens

1095
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: is real, which you know. One of the reliants of

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: this film is that it does cause people to go crazy.

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: It's literally in the name reefer madness. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: empirically correct, like reefer madness is a proven phenomenon, a

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01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: medically proven known now phenomenon where it can induce not

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: only psychosis like temporarily, but it can cause literal psychotic

1101
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: breaks and especially induce people to become schizophrenic. The suicide

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01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: and mental illness rate of cord or at violence rate,

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: of course, also with that population is dramatically higher than

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Speaker 1: the rest of the general population. I've got the suicide

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: risk one there next Griffin, if you want the suicide

1106
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: risk that it's labeled. This is a PubMed study which

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: came out about the increase risk of suicide especially with

1108
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: high potency THC marijuana use. So, yep, you can go

1109
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: and you can see it in first episode Psychosis. You

1110
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: can go and you can read all of these will

1111
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: put links down in the study to all the studies

1112
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: there for yourselves. And finally, this is one where about

1113
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: the cause of like mass violence that this drug has

1114
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: induced upon us. You can put my tweet there, but

1115
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean You can go and fact check this if

1116
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: you would like. Put the one called mass shootings about

1117
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: all of the mass shooters just in the last five

1118
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: years who are linked to merrill ar seven years, I

1119
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: guess I should say so. The Parkland shooter, Nicholas Cruz,

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I'll remind you all he testified in open court that

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: he was quote smoking a lot of weed at the

1122
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: time that he conducted his shooting. The Texas church shooter

1123
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: was not just positive for THHC, positive for very high

1124
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: levels of THC. The Minneapolis shooter who we saw recently,

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: this was the transgender one what blamed vaping weed in

1126
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: their own journal and also worked at a weed store.

1127
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: And then finally, this most recent Ice shooter was a

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Speaker 1: self professed weed and gaming addict. Okay, so I just

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01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: want to show again some of it. We will not

1130
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: leave gaming out of that because we weed and gambling

1131
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: or sorry we gaming. Yeah, weed and gaming go together

1132
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: like this. As I noted about the FIFA comparison earlier,

1133
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: it's all about numbing the senses about cheap dope meine.

1134
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: But ultimately I think that yeah, I mean the core

1135
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: film like as somebody again, who's who's Who's dug so

1136
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: deep into all the dangers of weed it other than

1137
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: the sexual promiscuity, every single claim that they make is

1138
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: backed up by science, and if anything, is even worse

1139
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: today than it would have been back in the nineteen thirties.

1140
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: And that's why, ultimately it's a tragedy what happened to

1141
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: this film, because this film became satire right as you

1142
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: said in Wikipedia, it became reef madness became a joke.

1143
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: Anybody warning about we I can't tell you how often

1144
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: I get this. If you warn about we'd, oh reefer madness,

1145
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we all just went through it. Reever

1146
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: madness is correct, like it's core claims are correct. Now, Griffin,

1147
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: I think you have a fair point about legalization and

1148
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: about regulation. But and by the way, even my our

1149
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: good friend Ryan Grimm will admit this. Ryan was a

1150
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: decriminalized all drugs guy. I agreed with me that the

1151
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: way that legalization has rolled out, especially in a place

1152
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: like Oregon where we had decriminalization at one point of

1153
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: even hard drugs, was a enforcement and societal disaster. It

1154
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: led to for what reasons, Well, because all of the

1155
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: promises of legalization did not end up happening. People said

1156
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: we would have more regulation. False. Instead, what's happened is

1157
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: the wild West high potency THCHC advertising linked and targeted

1158
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: towards children. No societal norms that exist around alcohol, and instead,

1159
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: you know what's the message, it's chill. It's not chill.

1160
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: It's just simply not. This is a drug with a

1161
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of trade offs. We don't have any societal enforcement,

1162
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: like even around cigarettes. If you smoke cigarettes around children, universally,

1163
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna say you're an asshole for some reason. Though,

1164
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: in any public park in this country or on the

1165
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: streets of excuse me, in New York City or anywhere else,

1166
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: if you smoke weed, it's chill. You're you're you're such

1167
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: a prick if you say anything about it. And that's

1168
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: why our cities reek of weed. And of course weed

1169
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: is also leads to antisocial behavior, which is why becomes

1170
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: even more and more normalized, and you end up smelling

1171
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: it everywhere. It also smells bad, that's the subjective thing,

1172
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: but it does smell bad. Weed.

1173
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,479
Speaker 3: Smokers should weat smokers should be more courteous with with.

1174
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: But they're not. It's inherent to their condition. It's inherent

1175
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: to their condition that they're not.

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Speaker 3: They just smoke cigarettes and restaurants. Now, cigarette smoking is

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: kind of uh, I mean you do off in the

1178
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: corner or.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. No, you're right, Griffin. And but that's

1180
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: but that gets my point is that juxtaposition is that

1181
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: everybody treats it as not that big of a deal.

1182
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: And unfortunately this film was a big part in its

1183
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, revival from the nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties. I

1184
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: remember hearing this and Dare like, oh my god, these

1185
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: are all lies. You know, this is just reefer madness.

1186
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: This is just read for madness talking points. And yeah,

1187
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean one of the goals in my review was

1188
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: just to show you, like, no, everything they said was right.

1189
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,479
Speaker 1: Almost almost everything that they said in this movie was right.

1190
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: And so now that Trump, this gets kind of to

1191
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: the policy perhaps part of our show. Trump wants to

1192
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: reschedule marijuana Schedule three. This just is gonna pour gasoline

1193
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: on the fire of everything that I they know there's

1194
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: gonna be everyone's like, oh, then we'll regulate it. Nope,

1195
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: not happening. Instead, he's giving massive tax rates to multi

1196
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: billion dollar companies which sell weed all over America. Venture capital,

1197
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry. They're salivating, salivating over the

1198
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: rescheduling of marijuana. They want to pump billions more into

1199
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: this industry, sell you as much as possible, make you

1200
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: addicted right now. Daily weed use outpaces daily alcohol use.

1201
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, and listen, I mean again, to get to society.

1202
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: If you drink every single day, you're an alcoholic. Everyone

1203
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: agrees with that. You have a problem. Dude or gal.

1204
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: If you drink every single day, if you cannot go

1205
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,520
Speaker 1: a day without having a drink, you have a problem.

1206
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: If you smoke wheat every day, it's fine, Oh, that's chill, normal,

1207
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: just taking the d No, you have a problem. You

1208
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: are addicted to wheat. Uh. And Unfortunately, again, like all

1209
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: vice industries, the everything, every single thing I'm saying here

1210
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: can be fact check. Marijuana in particular, it's users. The

1211
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: highest amount of users are daily users. That might make sense,

1212
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: but what I'm trying to say is it has a

1213
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: much larger portion of the marijuana user base are daily

1214
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: users than people who are quote unquote casual drinkers. There's

1215
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: something about this drug which, in particular, it leads to

1216
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: a heavy reliance on it by the people who use

1217
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: it and who end up consuming it on a large basis,

1218
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: which is very profitable to these companies. And that's their

1219
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. And Trump's ultimate goal now is too vastly

1220
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: enrich the scum who It's not just weed, it's gambling,

1221
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: it's all vice, you know, related industries. And you know,

1222
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: to get back to the alcohol point, we do not

1223
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: have the same norms around weed that we do with

1224
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: alcohol or even cigarettes. I mean, you can't advertise cigarettes,

1225
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: and yet you can advertise you can't, you know, you

1226
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: can't advertise or you know the Marlborough Man commercials and

1227
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff that existed, but you can do it

1228
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: for gambling and even on marijuana.

1229
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 3: No.

1230
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: But part of what I'm getting at here with weed

1231
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: is that even today, you know, what we're seeing is

1232
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: this billion dollar industry just create as many ways as

1233
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: possible to make you high all the time. Weed, soda, weed, gummies,

1234
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: wed this, you know, lollipops, it's different strains, all of

1235
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: the craziest. I mean, at one point in Colorado there

1236
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: were more weed shops than McDonald's or subways. Right there

1237
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: was like a weed shop on every other corner. Uh.

1238
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: And this is actually the case where in more rural areas,

1239
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: down market areas, we talk about the dangers of dollar

1240
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: tree or any of these, you know, payday loan lenders, alcohol,

1241
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, that's it's funny people think I

1242
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: defend alcohol. Tell alcohol in a poor neighborhood your scumback.

1243
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm happy to say that. But also if you saw

1244
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: weed in a poor area, you're also scumback, okay, and

1245
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: or lottery tickets or any of these other deeply exploitative things.

1246
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that with almost all of those,

1247
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: most people can't agree that those are bad behaviors. It's

1248
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: all only weed that we seem to have this carve

1249
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: out on. So if anything like that's my major goal

1250
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: is to stigmatize, it is to restigmatize weed, porn, gambling.

1251
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: I want these things to be thought of in the

1252
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: same way that we think about all other vices that

1253
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: we know are horrible. For him saying you need to

1254
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: be locked up.

1255
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: Without disagreeing on any of the individual negative things that

1256
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 3: you are, just connect to marijuana. Like, I think part

1257
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 3: of the reason why people have a more negative view

1258
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: of heroin or alcohol is because people get drunk, come

1259
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 3: home and beat their wives people like drink and drive

1260
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: and crash their cars probably at a higher rate than

1261
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: they smoke weed and drive.

1262
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's not yet proven, Griffin, unfortunately, not statistical wide

1263
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: data on that.

1264
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: And people are drinking less too, so that actually might shift,

1265
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 3: So high driving might actually be more dangerous than drunk driving.

1266
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 3: So I think societally it makes sense that like people

1267
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: have experienced larger negative effects than some of the more

1268
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: invisible things like oh he's depressed and doesn't work as

1269
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: hard now or whatever.

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01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not the only thing I just noticed.

1271
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: So you talked about people, and it's also and the

1272
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: lethality of the drug. So, for instance, you can drink

1273
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: enough to die. You can start to get there with

1274
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: like the article you brought up where you know it

1275
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: is having people go to the hospital. Yeah, we're getting

1276
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: there with like a few cases. But those are like

1277
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: those are not the large majority in the terms of science.

1278
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: That okay, but let me be fair then, you like,

1279
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: but anytime you drink like x amount, you know you're

1280
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: going to the hospital. That's not necessarily true for everyone's week. Yeah,

1281
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: that's true. You can get alcohol poisoning, it certainly can,

1282
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: But the number of people who drink themselves to death

1283
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: is a statistically very very small portion of the people

1284
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: who drink, right, So that's the same type of argument.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you line it up, I've just showed

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Speaker 1: you it can lead to mass psycho it can literally

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Speaker 1: lead to millions and millions of people, not literally lead

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Speaker 1: to it already has led to millions of people going

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Speaker 1: crazy and great committing violence like this is happening, I'd already.

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Speaker 3: Happened on the shooters you pulled up. So you named

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Speaker 3: the four shooters there, and my instant thought was, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's four people. It's someone there's a shooting every day.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah to me, I said mass shooters specifically. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first of all, right, well okay, let's let me borrow

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Speaker 1: from your left frame is everyone's like yeah, but nobody

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Speaker 1: ever wants to talking about young white men who commit

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Speaker 1: these shooting. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that the

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Speaker 1: leftists always like to do that when we're talking about crimes.

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Speaker 1: It says they're like, well, there's something in particular about

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Speaker 1: young white I'm just pointing you out. It's not just

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Speaker 1: that they're young and white. It's a lot of them

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Speaker 1: smoke wheat. Okay, Look, it's not just that I can

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Speaker 1: find you. We don't have a huge sample size of

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Speaker 1: smash shooters.

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Speaker 3: There's so many shooters. What are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, I said mass shooters.

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Speaker 3: But what's mass?

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Speaker 1: Like? But fine, fine, fine, fine, let's then.

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Speaker 3: Because to me, I'm like, oh, they all also had

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Speaker 3: cereal that morning. Okay, it's like okay, but that's not causal.

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Speaker 1: That's not causal, especially whenever comes to violence and to

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: uh to that. But if we want to go down

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Speaker 1: that road, let's go look at crime statistics that involve marijuana.

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01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: It is a huge like every like in the same

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Speaker 1: way that you said alcohol can lead to beating their wife,

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Speaker 1: Marijuana is involved in an unbelievable amount of crimes. Twenty

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Speaker 1: to twenty five percent just of drug related crimes are

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01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: involving marijuana. Now, drug obviously is usually connected to violent

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: They don't release that.

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Speaker 3: In their blood system like it's in their body or

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Speaker 3: how they classify what they're saying is it's related, because

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Speaker 3: it sounds like this is like an Then.

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Speaker 1: What's alcohol related? Then? What's alcohol related? Right? So what

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean if somebody drinks, maybe they were an asshole?

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: It was gonna do it anyways. Are we gonna blame

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Speaker 1: it on alcohol? I'm happy to, okay, especially with alcohol

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Speaker 1: is involved. I have no problem with that classification. But

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna borrow that same classification over here for myself. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we don't release it whenever it comes just to violent incidents,

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Speaker 1: but we definitely know that with drug related incidents it's

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Speaker 1: going to be connected. Now. The same thing though, gets

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Speaker 1: to you know what what you were saying there about shooting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just gave people the statistics about psychosis,

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Speaker 1: and it is an empirical fact that people who unfortunately

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Speaker 1: are going through psychotic episodes are dramatically more likely to

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Speaker 1: commit verter and violence. I mean, we've more recently had

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Speaker 1: that the stabbing of that girl that was on the

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Speaker 1: train by somebody who was schizophrenic. All right, I mean

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Speaker 1: this is unfortunately, you know, is a characteristic in some

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Speaker 1: cases of violence, schizophrenia. This is something that is a

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Speaker 1: well documented thing. Now, if we're going to have it.

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Speaker 3: I'd agree with that, And I think that our main

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01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 3: point of agreement that is that weed has changed. I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't think that like the level of THHG

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Speaker 3: and weed when this film was made, was important enough

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Speaker 3: to do a scare campaign, And I don't think they

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Speaker 3: knew that it was going to be like five times

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Speaker 3: as powerful back then. But now I do think that

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Speaker 3: they're like, the weed is probably too strong. It's like

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Speaker 3: almost like a different draw than even what I did

1351
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 3: back in like high school and college or whatever. So

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Speaker 3: I do buy that there are new cases of psychosis

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Speaker 3: and that the conversation is evolving and changing because of

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01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: the strength of the drug. But then I think the

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01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: question always comes to like what are what should be

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 3: done about it? Like what are your solutions that are

1357
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 3: are are fair? And is it really just like this

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Speaker 3: the sense of the film to just tell your children,

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Speaker 3: like is that no, as far as you would want

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Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not again. I'll meet the liberals halfway. You

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Speaker 1: guys want legalization, you're not ready for the regime under

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Speaker 1: which we're gonna live under. Then we are gonna live

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Speaker 1: under a capped amount of THHC per product. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: live with none of these bullshit products which pedal to children, lollipops,

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Speaker 1: drinks and all of this other ridiculous nonsense. We are

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Speaker 1: going to live with taxpayer funded funded specifically like addiction

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Speaker 1: clinics and others, which is going to monitor any lobby

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, but this no, you may the people who

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Speaker 1: buy weed bitch and moan anytime somebody actually taxes it.

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Speaker 1: They don't want it. Like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: what we witnessed with weed and gambling legalization is ultimately

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 1: the way that it all falls is no regulation wild west,

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Speaker 1: and that the users themselves become so addicted they turn

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Speaker 1: into lobbyists for the industry. So for example, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess i'll call out barstool here, but I saw

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Speaker 1: multiple personalities. Even though I have some friends over there

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Speaker 1: who were lobbying against gambling taxes. The whole point was, yeah,

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01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: we were going to legalize gambling so we could tax it.

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Speaker 1: But no, even taxing it is something that they begin

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Speaker 1: to revolt against. And this happens with weed if we

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Speaker 1: moved to the regime that I just talked about where

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Speaker 1: And also, if you smoke it in public, you're getting

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Speaker 1: a ticket, they get a couple more, just like with

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Speaker 1: drunk driving you get a couple, you're going to jail.

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Speaker 1: I support that you should get an infraction. You cannot

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Speaker 1: disturb the public peace by constantly just going around and smoking,

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Speaker 1: and then we need the societal.

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Speaker 3: I don't object to that either, right, But that's.

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, is.

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Speaker 3: And I think this cause I think when people hear

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Speaker 3: criticisms like yours, they think of the war on drugs,

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Speaker 3: they think of like all of those failures, and and

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Speaker 3: they think that you kind of want to recreate it.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what I'm hearing. No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I will meet you all halfway. I've even

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Speaker 1: said this about drugs, hard drugs. I go, okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: but if you get shot, if you're shooting up, if

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Speaker 1: you have a needle in your arm outside of my house,

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Speaker 1: which happens, you're going to jail. You are going to jail.

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01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: If you have a needle in your arm. If you

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Speaker 1: are on a public bench and you're rehab a rehab center,

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01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: well but no, But that's that's kind of about what

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Speaker 1: I'm getting at is this is like the Portuguese model.

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: You are going to mandatory rehab and not the bulls,

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Speaker 1: not the bullshit rehab we have in America where it's

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: only thirty days. I'm talking about one to two years.

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01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: You're going to do. You are going to rehab, but

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Speaker 1: in this case, I'm talking about heroin infentanol, which has

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Speaker 1: one of the highest recidizim rates of all time.

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Speaker 3: Really, two years, that's a long rehab too, a.

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Speaker 1: Long time to rewire your brain. It's unfortunately, that's why

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01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: you shouldn't use this shit. But what I'm what I'm

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Speaker 1: getting at is fine, like, we can legalize it if

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Speaker 1: you guys want to, but we are going to live

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01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: under a very strict regime about how this all works.

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01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, what we have seen with the mass libertine

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: culture that we live in is that what ends up

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: happening is legalization with none of the enforcement. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I think we're living in the worst of all worlds.

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01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is what I want to say,

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01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: the public is on my side, because it was only

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Speaker 1: three years ago that we had almost eighty percent for

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: support of legalization of marijuana. The most recent Gallup polling

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01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: shows a thirteen percent drop just in one year for

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Speaker 1: legalizing weed from last year just amongst Republicans and already

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: falls with Democrats and with Independence. As we continue to

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01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: see what I think the hellscape, you know that we

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: all live in You're just gonna see that number continue

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01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: to go down. You're seeing the same thing with sports gambling.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is why again people think I

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Speaker 1: want to ban all gambling. I want to ban weed.

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Speaker 1: I have never said that. I think if you want

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Speaker 1: to smoke weed in your house, as long as that

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01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: smoke is not going into other people's homes and is

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Speaker 1: not you're not violent and you're not psychotic.

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Speaker 3: I'm roomating with Sager and I'm blowing it under the door.

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01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 1: If you're truly private experience, so be it. I guess,

1439
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: although I still think it's bad, but you know, it's

1440
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: a free country.

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01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: Those people wouldn't disagree with a lot of that.

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01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: But they do, though see this operationally, they do. People

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01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 1: riot when you say no, you can't smoke weed in public. No,

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: you can't smoke weed around children. That's the other thing.

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: Be designated, uh things around children, around where children gather.

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: I you know where I live. Oh my god, you'll

1447
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: walk your kid. You're gonna smell weed down at the park.

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. It every nat at you

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01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: and I know that national parks. I love my national parks.

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01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: There's always smelling of smoking weed. Out on a trail

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01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: or something. It's just one of those things where, for

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: some reason, we all seem to think it's fine. So

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01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: I would want massive enforcement, massive regulation, and and changes

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01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: to our society. But I know the.

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Speaker 3: Country that we live regular but it doesn't even seem

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01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: like the regulations that you're asking for are are that massive.

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Speaker 3: You're essentially asking for us to treat it like cigarettes,

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: where you can buy cigarettes, but there are warnings. Kids

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01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: can't do it. It can't look like a candy lollipop,

1460
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 3: and it can't be advertised to people, and there's a

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Speaker 3: social taboo or illegal to actually smoke in parks? Is

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Speaker 3: that as far as you go? Yeah, that I really don't.

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Speaker 3: But I think the battle is Overwraw.

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Speaker 1: I forgot. I forgot the I forgot the last part. Nonprofit.

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Speaker 1: It has to be nonprofit or and or govern and controlled,

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,879
Speaker 1: state controlled, like we do. Hear about liquor in Virginia.

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01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,480
Speaker 1: You cannot allow for profit industry, which is the backstop

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01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: of all of this is the price or we can,

1469
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,839
Speaker 1: but then the profit margin is going to be capped

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: and there's going to be price control completely across the board.

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Speaker 1: Nonprofit is the only way to keep the grubby hands

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Speaker 1: of the Wall Street venture capital, which is what's happened

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Speaker 1: right now. Like I said, this is a multi billion

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Speaker 1: One of the things that weed people like to say

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01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: is that big Pharma and all these people are lobbying. No,

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01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: they're not, you idiots, They will do anything to get

1477
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: you addicted. If you're so dumb that you think that

1478
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: medical marijuana is a thing, they'll they'll sell it to

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01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: you at a high price. Should we go into that one.

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01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: That's the last one. This one just came out massive

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01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: news study. I'll send you the link about medical marijuana, which,

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01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: of course we've been hearing for years about all of

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01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: the the close it benefits. And one time we heard

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01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: a story about a guy with seizures and we just

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01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: happen to stop it. Well, everyone that's there's this thing

1486
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: called evidence. There's this thing called evidence.

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 3: I want to be in the room where they're like,

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01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: let's like the guys having the seizure, and they're like,

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01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 3: let's let's let's get them high.

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know, for people, what has now come

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01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: out from jama one of the most respected medical uh

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Speaker 1: medical what's it called? One of the most medical journals

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01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: that exists let's go and put this up here on

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Speaker 1: the screen. Oh oh. Review of medical cannabis use finds

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Speaker 1: little evidence of benefit. Researchers found a chasm between the

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Speaker 1: health reasons for which the public seeks out cannabis and

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Speaker 1: what the gold standard science actually shows about its effects.

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Speaker 1: For those who say I need weed to sleep, false,

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Speaker 1: we'd makes your sleep false. We'd I use weed to

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Speaker 1: make my anxiety go down false, we'd increases the amount

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Speaker 1: of your anxiety. By the way, can I say this

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Speaker 1: about alcohol too, The amount of people who are always

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Speaker 1: talking about I just need a drink to take the

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Speaker 1: edge off. The evidence is in now your anxiety that

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Speaker 1: you're trying to cure with alcohol will actually increase beyond

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Speaker 1: where it was previously as a result of you using alcohol.

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 1: Drowning or trying to smoke your problems away or shooting

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Speaker 1: up your problems away is a fool's errand and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. And that's look, you know, there's a lot,

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Speaker 1: there's so much evidence about different lifestyle things that you

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Speaker 1: can do. You don't have to turn to medication. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want people to turn to medication, you know me.

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Speaker 1: Exercise alone is dramatically a proven to decrease anxiety to

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Speaker 1: even more so than SSRIs for depression. So what I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to show you all is that this culture

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Speaker 1: that we live in is just all about make multi

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Speaker 1: billion dollar industries. They're trying to sell you something. They

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Speaker 1: want you addicted. The more anxious you will are, the

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Speaker 1: more weed you smoke, Which more anxious you are, which

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Speaker 1: is the more weed they you smoke, And they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that profit. And that's why, you know, the solutions

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Speaker 1: that I laid out. I would love to live in

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Speaker 1: a country like that, but I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, because operationally in America, that's not how it goes.

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Speaker 1: We legalize, know, we legalize, we make it a for

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01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,919
Speaker 1: profit business, massively exploitative. This is what happens with gambling.

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Speaker 1: This happens with weed. It's happening with pornography. Happened with

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Speaker 1: alcohol for many years before we did anything about it,

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01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: happened with with cigarettes, you know as well. And it

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Speaker 1: took I mean Jesus, it took decades, you know, really

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Speaker 1: for the public and for laws to all kind of

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Speaker 1: come together and actually try and move in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think we'll still get there.

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Speaker 3: You go ahead, I mean, like to the culture point

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Speaker 3: or what have you. I think this might be a

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Speaker 3: rise for optimism for you. But I think that in

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Speaker 3: cinematic media culture around weed, weed is actually not as

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Speaker 3: cool now, Like the like the early days of like

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01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: the stoner comedies are kind of like lame now, and

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01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 3: it's like if weed is your whole thing, like it's

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01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,839
Speaker 3: actually kind of kind of lame, Like it's not like

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Speaker 3: like if you're obsessed with weed and have like a

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Speaker 3: Rick and Morty bong and like it's what you're all about.

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Speaker 3: Like that that that has a that has kind of

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Speaker 3: like a cultural shelf life in my opinion currently, like

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01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 3: there used to be like you know, on Broad City,

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Speaker 3: they used to be smoking weed all the time. You

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Speaker 3: don't really see that in like the the more current

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Speaker 3: modern culture. So maybe that's a sign that like once

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Speaker 3: it became more legal, it became less cool. I specifically

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Speaker 3: remember on an episode of Bill Maher it was either

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Speaker 3: Bill Maher or like CNN or something, but Zach Alfanakis

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01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 3: like pulls out a joint and like smokes it on

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Speaker 3: TV and it was like a big crazy moment that

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01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 3: was like whoa he just did that. If he did

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01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 3: that today, I think people would stunt on him. They would,

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Speaker 3: they would make fun of him for doing that. So

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Speaker 3: that is a sign that culture culture changes.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's Albert when he just quit CBS did a

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Speaker 1: splashy magazine cover where he was smoking a joint at

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Speaker 1: the Beverly Hills Hotel.

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Speaker 3: We can both agree that guy's to smokeing too much weed. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that guy in particular, he's much weed. He's in a psychosis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my final plea, stay off weed. That's the

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Speaker 1: point of this movie.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I'm surprised that. I

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Speaker 3: think after sussing stuff out, I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: the audience would probably agree with you that it should

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Speaker 3: be regulated close to the cigarettes, that people shouldn't do

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Speaker 3: it in the parks, and that it's uh preferable for

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Speaker 3: it to be heavily regulated than illegal like we see

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Speaker 3: in the film. And have there be drug guys lurking

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Speaker 3: around high schools.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's ever present. Unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 1: that will always be. There will always be an undesirable

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Speaker 1: element at high schools. So what do you what?

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Speaker 3: How do we rate the film let's let's end this

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Speaker 3: movie review. What would you rate this film purely as

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Speaker 3: a film on letterbox? What are you giving it? Maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe for because you know, films are aren't just the

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Speaker 3: content itself, but it's impact.

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Speaker 1: I'll get three three point five out of five, three

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Speaker 1: point five out of five only because of the impact.

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Speaker 1: If I was grading it purely like as a movie,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably give it like a two two out of

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Speaker 1: five just because so many of it's so much of

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Speaker 1: it drags and it can be a little bit convoluted.

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Speaker 1: But I guess we have to grade it on a curve.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean this like learning that it

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Speaker 1: was done by a silent film director actually made a

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Speaker 1: click where I'm like, oh, that's why it's so choppy

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Speaker 1: at times. You know it doesn't flow necessarily, but you

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Speaker 1: know you got to gut cut. People are great break.

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Speaker 1: This is almost one hundred years ago that this film

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Speaker 1: was made. So yeah, but that you know, in the

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Speaker 1: modern era, I don't think it holds up as a

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Speaker 1: film necessarily, but it definitely has. It definitely gives u

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Speaker 1: something to think about, like in terms of the themes

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Speaker 1: that and the problems that it tries to highlight and

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Speaker 1: it's major cultural impact.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and I didn't know what star to give it, so, folks,

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Speaker 3: if you've made it this far, at the end of

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Speaker 3: his interview, this one's just for the for the deep

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Speaker 3: cut fans, I'm giving it one big bong rip for Sagar.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, I like it. I like it,

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Speaker 1: not that I know what any of that means. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: guys for watching whoever watched this, seriously, thank you. We

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Speaker 1: at the very least we're doing this for us because

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Speaker 1: we enjoyed the hell out of it. Griffin. We should

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Speaker 1: do more. We should do more movie reviews.

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Speaker 3: Knocked Up next year. I'm excited to do not next eight.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's a good film. It's it's good,

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Speaker 1: it's good. It holds up, yeah, yeah, after twenty years, folks.

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Speaker 3: All the links to Sager studies will be in the

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Speaker 3: video description here. And we hope that you are all

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Speaker 3: gathering around the correct tree, the Christmas tree this holiday season.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Happy Days