1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and Free Agents with Daniel Jeremiah. I 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: am Greg Rosenthal and after frankly carrying the show the 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: last month or so because the veterans are more interesting 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: at this time of year, and that's especially true with 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: the Combine set to start. It's draft season, it's cut season, 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: it's rumors. I still think the veterans are more important. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: But this episode we do a little preview of the 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: combine and I'm going to school with the best in 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: the business, Daniel Jeremiah. What's going on? 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: Greg? You ever get to that point where you're kind 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: of away from your podcast for a while, like maybe 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: your traveling, you got other things going on, and your 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: feed kind of piles up a little bit, and maybe 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: it's your show that you listen to, and you, man, 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: I've missed the last two or three episodes. Yeah, I 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: just imagine that guy getting on the plane right now, 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: he's going to travel, I need something to listen to, 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, two fresh forties and free Agents, 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: Like let's see, Oh, I got Greg talking about the 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: free agents, and I've got well a combine preview. So 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all know how that ends, 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: and we like to welcome all those people to the 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: show today. 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: I mean, we we can see the numbers. We'll see, 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: we'll see which show does better. It's generally very consistent. 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, we were going to break this up and 27 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: really make a meal, you know, offense defense, but let's 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: do the whole thing in one show. I'm I'm excited 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: about this and it's a great week where I'm just 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: going to be watching you and rich and Charles and 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: everyone on television. But we're going to start going to 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: school on these players, and we're going to start on 33 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the offensive side. And you could take it anyway you want, 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: but I'll give you a question right off the bat, 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: which is is there any qbs just from the pack 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: of qbs that you're you're curious of. 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the player you know that you can 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: make a case has the most to gain through this 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: combine is Ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama. So you know, 40 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: I have up updated list that's out there now. My 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: initial list. He was my fortieth player. He's still around 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: that range for me, doesn't you know? It makes you 43 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: see how big he is. For first of all, we 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: don't have the measurements on him, so you know, Is 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: he six' two? Is he just over six foot like, 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: we'll kind of get the measurements on him. How big 47 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: he is. He played really well at the beginning of 48 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: the year and then some injuries. You know, he had 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: a burst a second his elbow, he had a back rib, 50 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: you know situation. So his play kind of tailed off 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: at the end of the year, including in the in 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl where he didn't play well against Indiana 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: and got knocked out of the game. It's only started 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: fifteen games, but he's son of a coach. He's gonna 55 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: interview really well. He's going to be very very smart. 56 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 2: Processing is kind of his deal. But getting to see 57 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: him throw live as someone whose strength is really the processing, 58 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: to see his actual strength, you know, going through the drills. 59 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: If he does elect to work out, I would imagine, 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see Mendoza. So he'll have a 61 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: chance to really help himself and get himself into that 62 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: first round conversation. Now, there's a conspiracy theory amongst scouts 63 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: that's out there, and so I'll bounce it off you 64 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: and I'll get off my list so I can see 65 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: you reaction, see if you buy it. So there's there's 66 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: rumors out there, and it makes a ton of sense 67 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: seeing what some of these quarterbacks got that Ty Simpson 68 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: could have gotten anywhere from five to six million dollars 69 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: if he would have gone into the transfer portal. He's 70 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: only started fifteen games, which is not a lot. So 71 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: you think, okay, well, why wouldn't you just take that 72 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: five to six million dollars and go into the transfer portal? 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: And the rumors and this is just all rumors with 74 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: no you know again, just take it for what it is. 75 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: Is that, well, the scouts think some team has got 76 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: to him and said, come out, we will We would 77 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: take you in the first round. You'll be made whole. 78 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: Don't worry about the money thing. We'll take you. So 79 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: there's no hard evidence of any of this stuff. This 80 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: is just a bunch of scouts talking on the phones 81 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: trying to figure out why he didn't go into the 82 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: transfer portal and take the five to six million dollars 83 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: that would have been available to him. So that's the 84 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: crazy rumor that's out there. 85 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: It is so funny that we have a situation where 86 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: scouts are now questioning why a player doesn't stay in 87 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: school because of the money. When it used to be flipped, 88 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: and we see a player like Trinidad Chambliss just fight 89 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: into the nail Tuesday. Partly, I'm sure because of that money, 90 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't think you can hold it against him. If 91 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: if he does have some sort of hope or promise 92 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: from a team, I wouldn't I wouldn't trust that team. 93 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: But maybe I wouldn't trust it either, right, But. 94 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it was the advisory committee that the NFL has, 95 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: which I think would have been fair to protect him 96 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: as as a late first Is there a guy though 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that this happens every cycle, doesn't seem like there's going 98 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: to be any debate about the one, So now it 99 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: all ought to be about the two of like, actually 100 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: he might be QB two and maybe the combine. 101 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: You're looking for place are you looking for this year's 102 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: Tom Savage? Greg? Well, we go through like a two 103 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: week news cycle of how, somehow Tom Savage is going 104 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: to be a first round pick, and I don't know 105 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: where it came from or how it got there, and 106 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: then it ends up not even happening. 107 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: I was a couple of games in the NFL Malik 108 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: Willis at the day of the draft. I remember people 109 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: were still thinking he might go. 110 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: I had him. I thought there was a good chance 111 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: he could go up there in the top. And who knows, 112 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: after we see what he gets in free agency, maybe 113 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: we'll rethink that and maybe he should have and gone 114 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: to the right place and it could work out for him. 115 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: But I'll you know, to me, the two guys that 116 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: are interesting, You've got Garrett and nsmar off to the side, 117 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Lsu he's a little undersized dad. He's the office coordinator 118 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: of the Saints. We'll see. I saw him at the 119 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. There's lots of tape on him, you can 120 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: you know, everybody kind of has formed their opinion on him, 121 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: and everybody feels like there's a good chance he goes 122 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: somewhere on day two most likely most teams would say 123 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: more third round than that second round type guy. So 124 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: that's he's in his own thing. But then you've got 125 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: the big stature guys who have you know, kind of 126 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: the upside, who've had just kind of a winding road. 127 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: Carson Beck who was in the National Championship with Miami, 128 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: who you know, won a bunch of games at Georgia 129 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: and uh just had some up and down moments. But 130 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: as a big kid with a live arm and can 131 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: move around a little bit. And then Drew Aller from 132 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: Penn State, who's you know, if you would have gone 133 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: back two years ago, that was kind of on that 134 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: trajectory to be a first round pay and then they've 135 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: had you know, they he got injured, missed most of 136 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: this last year. Obviously Penn State's season went down the tubes. 137 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: But I think he's got a chance to interview. Well, 138 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: he'll be big, he'll have a live arm throwing it 139 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: out there. So I think those two big guys will 140 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: be kind of clumped together as we go through the process. 141 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: He feels like that guy. Maybe it's just because of 142 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: name value that at some point maybe has that cycle. 143 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: And even then it's like us maybe sneak into the 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: back of the first round or pass Ty Simpson. But 145 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are ultimately like not the most interesting position 146 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: at the comment are there are there running backs here 147 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: that you're just like, you want to see how they. 148 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: It's not a great running back group. I think it's 149 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: there's two guys that kind of separate themselves up at 150 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: the very top. They're both Notre d AMers, Golden Domers. 151 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: I guess I should say. But Jeremiah Love, who will 152 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: be a top ten pick more than likely. He's got 153 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: you know he watching him catch the ball. I don't 154 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: know what he'll do with the combine, but he's he's 155 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: legit four to three type speed, he's got unbelievable hands, 156 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: runs routes, does all that stuff. So he's he's kind 157 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: of up there by himself and then his team Jeneian Price, 158 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: a little more compact traditional running back build. He can run, 159 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: he can return kicks, he's got juice, So he would 160 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: be that second guy. And then after him, Emmitt Thomas, 161 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Emmitt Thompson from from Nebraska would be next up. And 162 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: he's someone I'm anxious to see, you know how he run? 163 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Sorry him Emmitt Johnson rung last name here, Emmitt Johnson 164 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: from Nebraska. Getting a chance to see him. He's got 165 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: he's got a lot of juice. See how big he is. 166 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: He's listed at two hundred pounds. He didn't look super 167 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: big when you watch him on tape, but I think 168 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: he'll run fast. Another guy who's going to blaze and 169 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: run really fast in that group for me. Right underneath 170 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: him is Mike Washington, Junior out of Arkansas, who gives 171 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: you two hundred and twenty eight pounds to go along 172 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: with that speed, and you can see the speed when 173 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: when you're watching him. So those would be kind of 174 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: some key guys to watch from the running back group. 175 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: But it's again, there's one in the top ten. Jeneium 176 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: Price has a chance to maybe he could potentially get 177 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: into the back of the first round, but I think 178 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: he's a second round pick all day every day. And 179 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: then you know, you get to the Johnson and Washington 180 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: is really interesting guys. 181 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: But the thing about the combine is, you know there's 182 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: every single guy invited if if they're if they're smart 183 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: about it, the guys at the back end, they're going 184 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: to be running. And so DJ's got to got to 185 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: have an angle. He's got to have a little nugget 186 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: about each one when they come up so the people 187 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: like me can can learn about these guys. So how so, 188 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: how is how is the prep for that going? Your 189 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: little one liners, your little quips, your your one joke 190 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: that you're going to have about each one of these guys. 191 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: They're not joke, but sometimes it's it's more of a 192 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: serious angle. 193 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: Some of it just happens like, uh, dk Metcalf got 194 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: up on the line and I said, he looks like 195 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: the Batman suit and uh, and that guy got a 196 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: long runway there. That got a lot of a lot 197 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: of plug. One of my favorite nuggets I had on 198 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: a kid was uh Cam Jurgens and I found out 199 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: that he had his own beef jerky and it was, 200 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: you know, so uh Cam jerky and uh. We kind 201 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: of had fun with that for the whole. That got 202 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: us through a couple hours of that one. So you're 203 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: a mixture of just kind of seeing what you see, 204 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: hearing guys grunt, which is always evokes Monica Seli's reference 205 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: from me, which probably is a little dated, but we 206 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: stick to our guns on that one. And the other 207 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: stuff is just calling around to I'll call around a 208 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: bunch of college head coaches to give me nuggets on guys, 209 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: different friends with college programs, and then actually even agents, 210 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: agents will have well this guy's brother was this, that 211 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: or the other? Some of them straight random background crap 212 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: I can throw out there. 213 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate you keeping the Sellas name out there than 214 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: you you know, in terms of the start tour career, 215 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: maybe the greatest of all time. You can make the argument. 216 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: As a tennis guy, I supported. Wait, you mentioned DK, 217 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: so like who's going to be Maybe it's tough to 218 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: be like DK. But the wide receiver that so impresses you. 219 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: There's so many. When I look at your top fifty lists, 220 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: I think you have eleven or ten. You have five 221 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: in the forties, which is interesting, or maybe it was. 222 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: There's even more that are in that mix. Man, there's 223 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: a it's a good group of receivers. There's a bunch 224 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: of them. I will say that first of all, just 225 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: no going in. There's an undersized receiver. You know, he's 226 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: down way he'd be way down my list. But Brennan 227 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: Thompson from Mississippi State, who's gonna be five eight and 228 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: change maybe one hundred and seventy something pounds, he's got 229 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: a chance to break the record. Like, he can fly, 230 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: So he's gonna be the he's gonna be the horse 231 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: that you're watching there to you know, say it's a 232 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: small horse, but he's Uh, he's someone who can absolutely fly. 233 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: So be interest to see what he does. Uh on 234 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: the receiver front, We'll see if Makay Lemon runs from 235 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: from USC I love his game. Carnell Tait and Jordan Tyson. 236 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: Those are kind of the big three. Curious to see 237 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: what those guys do. Denzel Boston is a big receiver 238 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: from Washington. He's you know, he's gonna be six three, 239 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, two tennis and he's gonna run in the 240 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: probably the mid four fours. Casey concepts you is gonna 241 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: fly from A and M and he's I've kind of 242 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: talked about him with Seattle if Shaheed were to leave, 243 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: because you got somebody with return of ability, had two 244 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: punt return touchdowns as well as some big time upside 245 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: as a vertical player. Uh So you got those types 246 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: of guys. Dion Burks is someone I'm a little higher 247 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: on than probably the rest of the league. He's gonna fly, 248 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: He's going to run really well. Kind of a compact 249 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: build out of Oklahoma. Is a Purdue transfer. Zach Ry 250 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: Branch from Georgia, former USC receiver. He is gonna fly. 251 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: So we got some real, some real speed dudes here. 252 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: And then the question marks. You know, the two Indiana kids. 253 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what they run. I really like 254 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: Omar Cooper Junior. He's a really good player. I'm just curious, 255 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: is he a high mid high four four? Is he 256 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: a mid four five? I don't know that it really 257 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: matters other than just curiosity. Because one of the things 258 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: I do during the during this time is my buddy 259 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: Jack Andraid Researcher extraordinaire. Before these position groups run, I 260 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: have him pull the averages of the top ten players 261 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: based off production in the NFL the previous year. And 262 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: there's a bunch of these top receivers who run the 263 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: four fives, So you know, I try and put some 264 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: content on those numbers as they go. 265 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can now get the tracking data TOUDE 266 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: from some of these guys, and that's helpful. Sometimes they 267 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: play a little faster in game or pads on them 268 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: and they run. Are there any guys and how much 269 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: does it really matter in terms of just watching the fluidity, 270 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: especially of the receivers, because I would think this is 271 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: a good spot to compare apples to apples of just 272 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: like how some of the guys you're wondering how they 273 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: move compared to others. Maybe they're big, big, fast and 274 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: beautiful as you guys, as you guys would say, but 275 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you want to see if they really can move as 276 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: a receiver does that really make a difference. Is there 277 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: anyone that stands out to you that you want to 278 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: see like that? 279 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's always guys who maybe run 280 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: a limited route, tree they don't. You run a lot 281 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: of different routes, so you get a chance to see 282 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: really the bigger guys. Can they get in and out 283 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: of breaks? Can they work back downhill, back down the stem? 284 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Like? 285 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: Those are those are things you're looking at to work out. 286 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: I would say the group which we'll get to corners 287 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: have the most riding on the actual movement stuff and 288 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: the workout stuff because a lot of the corners play 289 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: kind of but to the sideline and kind of shuffling 290 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: and you don't see him backpedal. You don't see him 291 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: have to really open up, you know, you don't see that. 292 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: You know what their fluidy looks like with their hips, 293 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: you can see it in a workout. So that group 294 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: probably has the most on it. But in terms of 295 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: a receiver going through things like a zach ryat branch 296 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: is gonna be fun to watch. At Georgia, it's just 297 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, quick hitters, bubbles, tunnel screens 298 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: and quick outs like I want to see him really 299 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: go through the full you know, route tree and see 300 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: what he looks like. Because he's super super dynamic. Sometimes 301 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: you can almost be too fast where you know you 302 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: almost want you got to be able to kind of 303 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: gear down. So he's one that I would say I'm 304 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: interested to watch go through the workout. 305 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: Obviously, it's been a trend of less top players, you know, 306 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: doing the full workouts at the combine. So we don't 307 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: know if Kenyan Seek the tight end from Oregon gonna 308 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: work out, but I gotta imagine like he would be 309 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: a badass to watch him. 310 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like Buzz Lightyear, Like he just kind 311 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: of like just got like a square jaw and a 312 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: freaking just all muscles. He's got muscles on muscles. But 313 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 2: I had a scout one time. We said this guy 314 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: has muscles in his poop in the draft room. I 315 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: didn't know how to take that. It was very weird. 316 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: But if somebody did, I would say it might be him. 317 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: I'm curious to see him if he does though, Like 318 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: he's a little bit tight, and he had a lot 319 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: of drops this year, so even seeing someone like that, 320 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: just want to see him frame the ball, catch the 321 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: ball well, but if he works out, he's gonna jump 322 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: out of the gym and he's gonna fly. He can 323 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: really run. 324 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: And it seems like it's a class where there's like 325 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different offensive line opinions. In general, you 326 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: have a guard up at top years, but then there's 327 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: just a whole swath of tackles who could be anywhere 328 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: anywhere in the first round. Does the combine actually make 329 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: a big difference for separating these guys. 330 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a huge difference. You know, Look, we'll 331 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: see what the length is on some of them. I 332 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: know there's nothing former offensive lineman that rallies former offensive 333 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: lineman quite like the arm length discussion on social media. 334 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm just telling you it's been in 335 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: the rooms and it's brought up and it matters to teams. 336 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: So you know, that'll be interesting just to see the 337 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: kind of the measurements on some of them. 338 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: But to the Patriots, because you know, I wanted them 339 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: to take armand Membu, I don't know what his arms 340 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: are like. 341 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, he had Membo as well. But we'll see 342 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: how that all plays out. But I'm I'm gonna like 343 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: to me if you're looking what are you looking for 344 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: in these offensive linemen? I would say the most important 345 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: number potentially for them this this whole group would be 346 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: Caden Proctor's weight from Alabama because he had started the 347 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: season pretty heavy and then lost weight played much better 348 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: later on the year when his weight came down. So 349 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: you know, we've seen some offensive lineman who've had issues 350 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: in the league where they you know, had weight issues 351 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: and they couldn't control it. So he shows up in 352 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: a good weight, moves around and runs well, he could 353 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: really help himself. 354 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Whenever an offensive lineman comes into the scouting combine overweight 355 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: or he suddenly looks much better and he oh wow, 356 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: that's always the moment where I'm like, it's a little 357 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: it's a little weird what we all do here, you know. Yeah, no, 358 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: this is making news. And the body I start thinking 359 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: about my life choices that at least he's out there 360 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: playing a sport and this is just what he has 361 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: to deal with. I'm just I'm just talking. 362 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: It's weird. I I one hundred percent, especially if you're 363 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: foreign to like this. The sports environment from the outside, 364 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: it does not have a great look to it. I 365 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: readily admit that, but there's also the fact that these 366 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: are you know, these are multimillion dollar investments that people 367 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: are making them to get it, these bodies. But it is, 368 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: it is, I get it. I understand the people that 369 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: get cringed a little cringey, but. 370 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Or just like what it's like a headline and everything. 371 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: Of course you're all talking about it, but it's just 372 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: like it's it's leading the broadcast or leading like a podcast. 373 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: All right, I'll let you fly on on defense. What what? 374 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: What? 375 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Overall? Like big picture stands out to you from Yeah. 376 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: Edge rusher this week, edge rusher and corner. I think 377 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: it's really really good group of edge rushers and corners, 378 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of guys clumped in together. So 379 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: I think there's opportunity here if you look at it 380 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: historically or look at it from this last year. I 381 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: should say with the numbers that Jack pulled for me, 382 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: like the edge rushers are the athleticism is almost a 383 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: necessity there, Like like the top ten guys in sacks 384 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: last year and edge rushers, I want to say they 385 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: on average ran four five to five and jump like 386 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: thirty seven inches. Like this is a traits position, like 387 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: you've got to have some juice and some explosiveness so 388 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: that that can help separate some guys in like there's 389 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: a you know, Cassius Howel, this will be the roller 390 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: coaster ride of the combine. Cash Is Powel from Texas 391 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: A and m is gonna check in and he's gonna 392 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: have probably thirty one inch arms. You know, he's gonna 393 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: have really short arms. He's not like Ruben Bain from 394 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: Miami's gonna have short arms. Ruben Bain's almost two hundred 395 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: and eighty pounds. He's two hundred and seventy five pounds. 396 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: Cashes howls in the low two fifties with really really 397 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: short arms, which teams and talking to teams, it bothers them. 398 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 2: Well that I think there's a good chance he could 399 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: crack four five and run in the high four fours. 400 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: And you're gonna have the arms people and then the 401 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: speed people, and it's gonna you're gonna look in those 402 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: boxes at the combine and you're gonna see some discussion 403 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: going on between the arms folks and the speed. 404 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: Folks or what are you. 405 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: I am a little more forgiving on the length for 406 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: the defensive ends if they've got a special trait. So 407 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: if you've got special power, you've got special speed. I 408 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: think there's ways you can overcome that a little bit. 409 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: And look, last year's class was supposed to be incredible 410 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: up front, it's not. It's not an easy position to 411 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: adapt to. I think Abdell Carter is going to be 412 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: great still, and I think, yeah, Jalen Carter, I mean 413 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: not Jalen Carter. Jalen Walkerer is right on schedule. I 414 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: think James Pierce was productive before. Now you know who 415 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: knows when and if he's going to play football again, 416 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: and that was something maybe that that caused him to 417 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: fall in the draft. But I think overall was kind 418 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: of a disappointing class. If you go into the depth, 419 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of production there or from defensive tackle. 420 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: So you've been telling us these big guy are gonna produce, 421 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: You got to deliver. It's on you. 422 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: If I tell you about the talent, the talent dictates 423 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: where they get picked and then it turns into development. 424 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: Thing that's another podcast for us, by the way, is 425 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: the baseballization of football personnel departments that's taking place where 426 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: they're starting to realize we need to invest more in development. 427 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: Development's been a baseball thing, and football it's been identification, 428 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: and then now it's about development component where you have 429 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: the smart teams have a position coach and then you 430 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: could call it like almost like a caddy for every 431 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: position coach, where I've got to coach the guys get 432 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: ready to win the game, and then my assistant position 433 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: coach has got to be working to develop the younger 434 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: players that aren't getting all those opportunities, but they're getting 435 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: better throughout the year. 436 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: That makes sense, and I think that was always part 437 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: of Belichick's secret sauce was he was still trying to 438 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: coach and teach fundamentals, I think, and you would always 439 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: hear players that would come to that team it's like, oh, 440 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: they actually kind of coaches fundamentals instead of just assuming 441 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna know what we're doing, because yeah, you don't. 442 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: You don't see that that development always at the pro level. 443 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: I I was curious, like Jermal McCoy's coming off uh 444 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: a tour in a cl for Tennessee and yet you've 445 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: got him sky high. He he could be one of 446 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: if not, he. 447 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: Could be the first. He could be the first corner 448 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: to go not a surprise at all. I know teams 449 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: that I've talked to to see him that way, and I. 450 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: Is that a big week for him to see where 451 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: he's at. 452 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just worry his health wise. His tape is 453 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: really really good, so that'll be interesting to see. Uh 454 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: Man Steward Delane. I don't know if he'll run or not, 455 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: but I think the expectation is he's probably high four fours, 456 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: not going to be like some crazy crazy you know, 457 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: low four three. Maybe he does and and uh and 458 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: that'll get rolling. But uh, you know, those are the 459 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: top two corners for me. Then there's a little bit 460 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: of a gap and then I'm you know, c to say. 461 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: I got to remember how to pronounce his name. I'll 462 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: look at the pronunciation when I get to Indye. But 463 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: the corner from South Carolina is supposed to absolutely fly. Uh, 464 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: so he's gonna run really really well. I love you know. 465 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: This is another debate we'll have and talking with Rich 466 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: throughout the broadcast. But Caante Scott from Miami is you know, 467 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: twenty five years old. He's a great player. I love him. 468 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite players. I've watched this whole cycle. 469 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: But we've got you know, we've got messidor the edge 470 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: rusher from Miami, and maybe there is a reason why 471 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: these teams, you know, are playing in the National Championshire. 472 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: He's twenty five years old, like they've got some There's 473 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: a lot of twenty four and twenty five year olds 474 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: in this draft. So when you're comparing, you know, a 475 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: Mesador who I like better as a player than a 476 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: Keldrick Falk from Auburn. Keldrick Falk's like twenty years old, 477 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, So you've got a four year 478 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: age difference. How do you factor that in as you're 479 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: going through it? So and if you look at recent history, 480 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: not just a quarterbacks, because we could talk about Shuck 481 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: and bo Nix as being older, but Peyton Wilson came 482 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: in as an older player has been really really good 483 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Craig Woodson was one of my 484 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: favorites in last year's draft, twenty four years old, I believe, 485 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: who went to the Patriots and played great. So I 486 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: think teams are a little more, you know, a little 487 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: a little less worried about that as they would have 488 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: been maybe some years past. 489 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: I mean, Kraig Goodson has to be one of the 490 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: best Day three picks from this last yeard in terms 491 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: of how he produced. Yeah, it's maybe it's a ceiling 492 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: floor debate, and it feels like front offices would do 493 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: well to get players that can play and and so 494 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the floor is higher for some of these older players. 495 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that you know that they're going to be good. 496 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: I look, I think that the players who the teams 497 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: that have taken the older quarterbacks aren't aren't feeling bad 498 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: about it. I think no, and Jayden and Bonis. 499 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: At the college level. I mean that's you know, that's 500 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: what Signetti has said. We've had him on our show 501 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: and he's talked about everybody else to deal with potential. 502 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with potential. I want guys who are productive, 503 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: like who've done it. And so it is. It's the 504 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: age old question, right, it's you want the guy with 505 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: the high floor or the high ceiling and the production 506 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: versus potential. 507 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: Then again, the second the walls started caving in on 508 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Drake May and the playoffs went extremely south, the first 509 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: thing I went to defensively was like, yeah, he's younger 510 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: than cam Ward. You know, he's two. You know he's 511 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: two years younger than when Burrow made it to his 512 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in his second year. And I do think 513 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: if you're a Patriots fan or a believer in Drake May, 514 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: that is a factor, like where is he gonna be 515 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: when he's twenty five years old? So with someone like 516 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: him or or some of these prospects, hopefully you can 517 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: get a little bit of both. What about what about 518 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: Caleb Downs? Does he have a little something to prove? 519 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: I'm curious if he runs. I'm curious he runs. I 520 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: don't think he I think he's a really really good player, 521 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 2: but I don't know, I don't get the sense when 522 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: I watch him that he's you know, he's some somebody 523 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: that's gonna run in the four threes or low four 524 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: fours like he I'd be curious to see if he 525 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: does run. I mean, he's a great player, consistent at 526 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: the off the charts with the intangibles and stuff off 527 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: the field, reliable, dependable, But I didn't think he was 528 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: a freaky, trait sy guy. So and and I trust me, 529 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 2: there's been times where I've thought that before and guys 530 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: have gone out there and absolutely blown it up and 531 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: and and surprised me. So maybe he would, but I'd 532 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: be curious to see what he actually does. There not a. 533 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: Lot of like premier defensive tackles necessarily. 534 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: By the way, quick quick. On the safety thing, Dylan 535 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: Thieneman from Oregon, I think is gonna run really well 536 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: and uh, and I really love Emmanuel McNeil Warren the 537 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: safety from Toledo. I think those three safeties are excellent players. 538 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see what he does as well. 539 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: There's there'll be uh, there'll be some guys that roll 540 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: in this in this dB group. Do you want to 541 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: talk about linebackers, Greg, since you deemed them the most 542 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: important position in football on the last episode. 543 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I just want you to allow guys 544 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: who look like elite linebacker prospects to even play linebacker, 545 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: Like you're putting Arvel Resa on the edge or whatever. 546 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: It seems like. You know, he could be you're LB one. 547 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look there'll be a discussion about that. You know, 548 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: he played off the ball, played on the ball. We've 549 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: seen that a lot with players over the last few years. 550 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: I think he's most valuable off the edge. It said 551 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: the same thing about partisons when he came out, you know, 552 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: said the same thing about all these guys. Jayalen Walker like, 553 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: to me, I think that's where his value kicks in, 554 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: just because I think he's got tons of upside off 555 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: the edge. But we'll see how he's how he's utilized 556 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: once he gets picked. Sonny Styles is going to be 557 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: a freak. He's way up there on my He's one 558 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: of those ones. Probably the distance between where I have 559 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: him ranked on my list versus where I put him 560 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: in mock drafts maybe the most disparity, just because I 561 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: don't know how teams are going to value value it. 562 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: But he's he's going to be six or four in change, 563 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: He's going to be close to two hundred and forty pounds. 564 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: He's going to jump out of the gym. His basketball highlights, 565 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: if you want to have some fun, go watch those. 566 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous how explosive he is. So he's he's going 567 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: to be a fun one to watch workout. But it's 568 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: a it's a really good line by group. There's lots 569 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: of depth again Day two, you know, second third round group, 570 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: it's really really good. 571 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: I I'm trying to think, has there ever been a 572 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: case where like two linebackers from the same team in 573 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: this case, yeah, would be would be styles And. 574 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: What about who was with Simeon Rice? And uh there 575 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: was the other linebacker was in Illinois, right, they were 576 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: in the same. 577 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: Rice you know, more of an edge rusher, right, but yeah, but. 578 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: The same same type of a thing where you know, 579 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: he got those two two front seven players and Reese 580 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: does play off the edge. 581 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: So Soody, Miles Jack and Eric KENDRICKX I came up 582 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: with But. 583 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: Oh okay, Miles Jack felt the second round because it 584 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 2: was knee Kevin Hardy, Thank you Gavin, Kevin Hardy and 585 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: Simeon Rice. How about that? How about that poll right there. 586 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Simmey and Rice? Just an all time goal you know 587 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: where Yes. 588 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: What about the Miami guys with Vilma and DJ Williams. 589 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: Were they in the same draft. 590 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: That kind of for about DJ Williams, that's a good call. Yeah, 591 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: they've played together, they've put together. Miami was always stacking 592 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: them up. There will be pro stuff, by the way, 593 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, something to keep an eye on. Just some team, 594 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: some teams. I'm just gonna throw out that I did 595 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: this week. Fascinating Eagles. I mean, they got everything is 596 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: going on with the Eagles. Everything feels on the board, 597 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: who's going to retire, who's not, What are the trades 598 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: going to be. I just think they're going to be crazy. 599 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: The Chiefs are going to be fascinating to see this week. 600 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm just throwing this out there. Your team, the Chargers, 601 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: they got a lot of decisions on both lines, and 602 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: they're like the best team that has way too much 603 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: cap space, Like, there's no point in having eighty five 604 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: million dollars in captain the guys. Yeah, most of it 605 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: is our bad teams right now, but the Chargers are 606 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: a good team that has a lot of cap space. 607 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: And then that the Bears are kind of on the 608 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: flip side where they have some tough decisions to make, 609 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: but they're also intriguing. It's it's go time for them. 610 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: I think it's go time for the forty nine ers too. 611 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: They now have gotten out of their little cap jail 612 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: and they're trying to win right now. So those are 613 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: just some teams I'm saying to watch this week in 614 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: terms of off the field's. 615 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: Can I give you one idea what we should probably 616 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: do right now? Wow? Is because we're recording this a 617 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: little bit ahead of when you're listening to it. Yeah, 618 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: so something, it's the NFL. Crazy stuff happens all the time. 619 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: So let's just let's just right now real quick, so 620 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: we can just insert this. Okay, so you just go 621 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: about how your surprised, you are you can't believe what 622 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: just happened. Then we don't have talk about it specifically. 623 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: But then we're covered. 624 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is bad podcasting, DJA, because like 625 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: it's probably not gonna happen. You go ahead, I because you. 626 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: Don't owe my god, we're look, I didn't see it coming. 627 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: I didn't see it coming. I guess we shouldn't be surprised. 628 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a crazy league. It's a 629 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: crazy league, and you know, we'll see. Look, I have 630 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: my doubts about how this whole thing is going to 631 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: work out, but we'll just we'll see how it all goes. 632 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: Oh, you're not even giving the take. I thought I 633 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: thought you were going to say something like I can't 634 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: believe that A. J. Brown is now a member of 635 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. 636 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: It's just a professional move, you know. You just have 637 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: that in the can. Drop that in. Keep the episode alive. 638 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: We don't have to record again. Keep the train moving. 639 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: This is where DJ's at. He's just phoning in in 640 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: the year. What is this your year? Doing? 641 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: Fourteenth draft combine with the network here. 642 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: Youngin although he's had that move the sticks Twitter handle 643 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: for a long time. 644 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: I can rea, have you been here? 645 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been at the NFL for thirteen years, 646 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: but I've been covering the NFL for twenty two or 647 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: so now twenty one. 648 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: How sad is it going to be when we go 649 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: back and listen to this episode and then they've they've 650 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: put in the song on the back end in the 651 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: Arms of the Angels, and they're just playing that over 652 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: this whole conversation. And then it just says a little 653 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: dash with our starting end dates. 654 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: I love a little gallows Huber here on forties and 655 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: free agents. Hopefully we'll be back next week now, I 656 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: fully expect we will, and we'll be really cranking up 657 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: just a week before free agency. Good luck with everything 658 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: at the combine. I will be watching, our listeners will 659 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: be watching this. This is the super Bowl for Daniel, Jeremy. 660 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: Calebon, Chase On and Patrick Queen as well. 661 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: There you go, Oh that's a good one. First round 662 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: pick Caleb and Chase On back in the day. Now 663 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: I got to go make some money in free agency. 664 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.