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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How do two teen girls

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and series x M one eleven. First of all, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to this harby no one. What's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm dying. Okay, let me transferak, I'm gonna get you on.

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Speaker 1: Get party one. Okay, hold on, won't say okay? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Irving Vertebarment, Irving Vard Barment. Still there, Amory,

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Speaker 1: still there? I'll get She saw me. She's dying. I'm

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Speaker 1: giving you. I'm gota. Why are you still here? Ma'am? Man?

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Speaker 1: What is your address? Madam then ensues the desperate search

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Speaker 1: That's what's up. Crying, pleading, begging, but they couldn't be

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Speaker 1: searching for more than an hourgency, but then another nine

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Speaker 1: coming from her hair. To hear these nine one one

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation in series X one eleven. First,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to high profile lawyer joining me

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Speaker 1: out of LA It's Troy Is Slayton with a Slayton

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Speaker 1: lawyer's group. You can find him at Troy Slaton. Troy.

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Speaker 1: I want to speak very quickly and narrowly to you

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Speaker 1: regarding nine one one calls. I would very often start

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Speaker 1: Unlike a witness, unlike a diagram or a crime scene photo.

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Speaker 1: We are in it at the moment of the incident.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree. I do agree, Nancy, and the defense

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Speaker 1: that would let this in. Number one, it's a dying declaration,

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Speaker 1: Lawyer's Group. Hearsay, what is it? I don't like throwing

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Speaker 1: So heresay's unreliable, Nancy, Exactly, if you can't bring this

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Speaker 1: Why with me, as I said an All Star panel,

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Speaker 1: and Jie, thank you for being with us. I find

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Speaker 1: shows me, Nancy. She did not want someone to get

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, Who, what, where, why? And when? Who?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of honor killings? Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at now this world. An honor killing

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Speaker 1: quote honor based societies. What's honorable about killing a woman

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Speaker 1: is that honorable? Take a listen to our Chenna hold on.

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Speaker 1: Arnold Is, John Guard, Chief Deputy Pitt County Sheriff's Office.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey M. Jimpson, Professor Forensic Pathology and Director of

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Speaker 1: Autopsy Forensic Services a University Michigan Medical School. But first

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Speaker 1: How many times to you, Troy Slayton, have you had

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Speaker 1: you remember Jody Arius and boyfriend Travis Alexander. How many

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Speaker 1: because he hated them becoming Americanized. There was more to

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Speaker 1: their hatred of their father. Isn't that true, Christie Assurik?

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Speaker 1: For sure? It dates back almost a decade before the killings.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, both girls accused their dad of

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Speaker 1: sexually abusing them, and their mother even swore in an

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Speaker 1: affidavit that the allegations were true. Oh there's the mom again,

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Speaker 1: the enabler. Take a listen to William Joy. W FAA

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Speaker 1: detectives say Sarah and Amina told police when they were

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Speaker 1: younger that Sayid had sexually abused him. Police believe he

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Speaker 1: was angry they were dating non Muslim boys. Cyril was

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Speaker 1: able to call nine one one and name her father

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Speaker 1: as her killer before she died. Let me understand the

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Speaker 1: sex abuse had been when Christy Mazuric. So that places

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Speaker 1: the girls at what age when they were being sex abused?

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Speaker 1: About seven and eight years old. Okay, the mother who

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Speaker 1: moves the girls back into this horrible and fatal situation,

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Speaker 1: says at the time, when they're seven and eight years old,

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Speaker 1: that the dad was sex abusing them. To TROYE. Layton,

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Speaker 1: joining us, high profile lawyer out of LA the father

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Speaker 1: should have been put in jail right then for sex

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Speaker 1: abusing the children. So often the mothers turned the other

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Speaker 1: way and they and I know this from experience, they

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Speaker 1: don't want to out the father as a child lester,

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Speaker 1: so they protect the dad and not their own children.

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Speaker 1: But here you have the mom corroborating the girl's story,

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Speaker 1: but nothing was done. I hear you, Nancy. But there

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Speaker 1: are reports that the daughters, who may very well have

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Speaker 1: been victims of sexual abuse, recanted their statements to investigators

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Speaker 1: that they were sexually abused. I've actually had that happen,

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Speaker 1: a recantation on the stand in front of the jury,

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Speaker 1: which is why I would have a problem in this

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Speaker 1: case to have a judge admit that evidence, because it's

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Speaker 1: again not reliable. I went forward in that case and

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Speaker 1: the jury returned a guilty verdict, and I would do

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Speaker 1: it again because at this young age seven eight nine

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Speaker 1: years old, if the medical doctors states that the child

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Speaker 1: has been sex assaulted, which is easy to tell if

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Speaker 1: an eight year old girl no longer has a hyman,

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Speaker 1: someone has assaulted her. And I would be very curious

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Speaker 1: as to the circumstances surrounding the recantation. Was it to

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Speaker 1: daddy's defense attorney? Why did the child recamp? Was she beaten?

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Speaker 1: Was she coached? Because you've got two children and a

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Speaker 1: mother saying they were sex abused. You got physical evidence

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Speaker 1: that would show sex abuse, and they named the father,

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Speaker 1: but nothing was done. The mom put the children back

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Speaker 1: in the home and now they're dead. So what can

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Speaker 1: an attorney, a defense attorney possibly say. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Sean Robert Fox. Fourteen defense attorneys counted no eye

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Speaker 1: witnessed our surveillance cameras captured the father at the crime scene,

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Speaker 1: and claimed the government focused on him because he was Muslim.

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Speaker 1: The state while Conde dausin for being a Muslim in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the evidence will Nazis work conditions

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Speaker 1: the capital murder's day who were not supported and you

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Speaker 1: not made him support in Okay, wait a minute, did

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Speaker 1: he actually just say that the state is prosecuting the

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Speaker 1: dad for being a Muslim in two thousand and eight. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, isn't it true, Christy Missourich

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Speaker 1: that simultaneous with the two girls homicides, the dad leaves

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Speaker 1: town and goes on the land for twelve years. Yes.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he was one of the FBI's most wanted

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Speaker 1: for over a decade before his arrest in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsies

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Speaker 1: and Forensics Services. Doctor Jensen multiple gunshot wounds at close

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Speaker 1: range on two unarmed teen girls. What does that tell

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Speaker 1: you about the mindset of the killer? Well, again, it

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Speaker 1: implies that there is a close connection with the individuals.

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Speaker 1: When we see extensive trauma, many times that is the

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Speaker 1: result of the individual, the assailant, knowing the victim and

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Speaker 1: attempting to basically destroy their image as well as their lives. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I've been aware of these honor crimes since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two, when I was involved in an international conference

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Speaker 1: in Jordan, and it was it was sponsored by actually

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Speaker 1: the Queen Labdullah and the medical Examiner in Jordan, and

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Speaker 1: they were first to start to actively publicize these deaths,

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Speaker 1: which basically account for about sixty percent of all female

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Speaker 1: homicide cases in Jordan. I'm sorry, would you say that again,

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Speaker 1: daughter Jason. Yes, honor crimes in two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: in Jordan accounted for sixty percent of all female homicides

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Speaker 1: in that country. Since then, because of the actions of

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner and the um, the Queen Um, these

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Speaker 1: have come to light and there is more scrutiny um

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Speaker 1: in Jordan. There was actually a law that allowed lenient

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Speaker 1: penal types of sentences for individuals who perpetrated on our crimes.

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Speaker 1: And this is an interesting case because fathers are only

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Speaker 1: involved in about twelve percent of the honor crimes. Most

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Speaker 1: of these are committed by the brother of the individuals

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Speaker 1: who basically I would assumes assigned by the the the

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Speaker 1: parents to um to perform the honor killing UM. And

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Speaker 1: most of these these young women are between fifteen and

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Speaker 1: forty five. Wow, you know, doctor Jensen, you just laid

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Speaker 1: a lot of information on the Queen of Jordan and

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Speaker 1: the medical medical examiner there bring to light that then

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, sixty percent of all female homicides

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Speaker 1: were honor killings. That's amazing to me. And the fact

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Speaker 1: that we know of five thousand a year on our

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Speaker 1: killings is so distressing. I've been aware that they Recently,

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Speaker 1: there have been crimes or honor killings coming to light

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Speaker 1: across the United States. I know of one in New York,

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Speaker 1: New York State, one in Oklahoma, and I really wasn't

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Speaker 1: aware of this one in Texas until we started discussing

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Speaker 1: this case. That's right, So it's now a trend that

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Speaker 1: has caught hold in the US. Speaking of the father's

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Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance simultaneous to his daughter's murderer, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at w FAA. It's been nearly thirteen

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Speaker 1: years since police say Yaser killed his seventeen and eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old daughters, Sarah and Amina on New Year's Day.

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Speaker 1: This man brutally murdered, shot to death his two daughters

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Speaker 1: in his taxicab. Wednesday, Irving Police joined the FBI to

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Speaker 1: announce that, after thousands of tips and six years on

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Speaker 1: the FBI's top ten most wanted list, said had been

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Speaker 1: captured in justin Texas in Denton County. We have tirelessly

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Speaker 1: followed every lead, never losing faith or hope that we

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Speaker 1: would one day locate and arrest. Yasser said, I pray

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Speaker 1: to God that justice prevails. The trial ongoing. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crumbstoy signing off goodbye friend,