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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to taking stock with pim Box and Kathleen

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<v Speaker 1>Hayes on Bloomberg Radio. Another potential setback for Apple, it

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<v Speaker 1>was found today that Apple violated the design patents of

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese device maker and may have to halt sales

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<v Speaker 1>of its latest iPhones in they Jing. Uh So. This

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<v Speaker 1>also comes on the heels of a Apple Worldwide Developers

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<v Speaker 1>conference that many people thought you did some some new developments,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing really earth shattering. Of course, that's what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is looking for the next big thing from Apple. Colin

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<v Speaker 1>Gillis joins US now. He's director of Research and senior

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<v Speaker 1>technology analysts at v g C Partners based right here

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. Welcome Colin Illo, Kathleen, So, tell

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<v Speaker 1>us more about this decision on Apple and patents and

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<v Speaker 1>how important is it? All right, So let's let's break

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<v Speaker 1>it down into into two pieces. The first one is

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<v Speaker 1>the specific case of the iPhone six um, yeah, being

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<v Speaker 1>uh possibly banned for sales and in Beijing, right because

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<v Speaker 1>of pan infringements. That's likely something that will be overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>uh when it climbs up hiring the courts. But it

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<v Speaker 1>shows you the problem that Apple faces doing business and

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<v Speaker 1>in the market that it's it's the second largest market

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<v Speaker 1>for Apple, right. So the first market is the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>The second largest market for Apple's China. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a market that you're seeing revenue growth declining on a

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<v Speaker 1>year of year basis two quarters in a row. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a risk, right, It's such an important area

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<v Speaker 1>for sales for the company. They've got you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>opening up five more stores. You have forties stores total.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's always the risk that the government can change

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of the playing field, all right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>the government changes the rules of the playing field, should

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<v Speaker 1>that change someone's bullish call on Apple or should it

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<v Speaker 1>change their bearish call on Apple. Well, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a big negative if that were to happen. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think the risks in the market um for Apple

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<v Speaker 1>are are high. Right, They're higher risk selling into the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese market then than in the United States. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know that, that's a fact. Right. So their

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<v Speaker 1>dependency on China for for growth and their dependency on

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<v Speaker 1>China for for revenue is something that if you're an

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<v Speaker 1>Apple investor, you have to be concerned about. Colin you

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<v Speaker 1>know that show. What was your takeaway from the Apple

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<v Speaker 1>Worldwide Developers Conference? Yeah, very um evolutionary in incremental, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And Apple's got a problem and that they mad smashing success, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but driving literally billions of dollars of profits from their

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone the revenue and they're gonna have a difficult time

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. Would additional revenue streams to augment that when

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<v Speaker 1>the smartphone market growth slows down, which is what's happening, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't look out when we were talking about China.

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<v Speaker 1>The domestic competitors to Apple faces or companies like chow

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<v Speaker 1>Mean Walwei, there sps or you know, right, Whawa apples

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<v Speaker 1>average selling price. So as prices come down, right, Apple,

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain their margin structure, has been losing market share,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that's why we've seen them rolling out

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<v Speaker 1>their most recent phone price that you know, four hund dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to just to maintain a level of competition at

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<v Speaker 1>different price points. But it's you know, the landscape is changing,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, landscape is changing. Column. But let's say you're

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<v Speaker 1>using your smartphone to order groceries these days, You've got

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<v Speaker 1>another competitor that you need to pay attention to, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is Amazon dot Com. Turn your attention to the

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store battle, and particularly Amazon's entry with the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Now service and the battle against such stalwart retailers as Kroger.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you had another business with

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<v Speaker 1>a one percent margin for Amazon to just jump into.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the reality is is that groceries is

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<v Speaker 1>a massive market, right, you know, something you know, six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred seven billion dollars. So even though the margins are very,

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<v Speaker 1>very slim, right, it's a volume business and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon likes, and it's one of the few verticals that they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't have a lot of traction in now.

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<v Speaker 1>Groceries are also have their own particular nuances. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to have refrigerated trucks, you have to have, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>warehouses that are close to to the city. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the major metropol in the areas, you know. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can see one day, I'm you know, Alexa, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I need milk, and bring me milk. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't Maybe I'm just so nitpicky about food

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<v Speaker 1>and things and I like to look at us. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but I have ordered from Jet a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times. Is Jetta threat to Amazon in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form um? You know, there are multiple companies

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, have come out and I don't view them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a as a meaningful material threat. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But but the grocery space is going to be interesting, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm an active user of Fresh Tract and once

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<v Speaker 1>you get you know, used to ordering your groceries online,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes But how do you know you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the best tomato or the avocado with the right right,

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<v Speaker 1>miss Colin? So you just have to trust that they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take care of Okay, will you always take care

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<v Speaker 1>of us? Colin Gillis. Thank you so very much. Colin Gillis.

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<v Speaker 1>He is an analyst at a b C b g

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<v Speaker 1>C Partners, Director of Research and senior technology Analysts. You're

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