1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pilaicero, Judy Batista, Ian Rappaport, 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: and join us right now our good friend Cameron Wolf, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: who is down in South Florida. There's been no change 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: made to his current status. He is back with us 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: again to talk about the Dolphins. With first, let's think 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: a little more into the four and three Carolina Panthers. 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: This is part two, by the way of the Monday Podcast. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: If you missed out on part one, doesn't matter. You 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: can start right here, then go to that one or 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: go back. Either way, we've got you covered here. A 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: team that you know well, Cam, they're four and three, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: they've won three consecutive games. Not gonna have Bryce Young 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: this week, he'll be Andy Dalton. But what are you 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: seeing from that team that's allowing them to take steps forward? 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: Here? 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're finding their identity. This Panthers team started off 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: oh to two. I think it was easy for people 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: to say, ah, here we go again, another bad Panthers team, 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: let's call it. But it's been cool to see how 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: they've shifted to really leaning on that run game. Rico 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Daldo had those incredible two weeks and then getting back 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: Cuba Hubbard and having that two headed attack and talking 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: to some guys this morning about it, it was interesting. 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: They made clear to both guys early on, we're gonna 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: rotate every other series. 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: Rico's gonna get one, Two's gonna get one, which. 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: Probably messes up everybody's mind and fantasy football, or at 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: least kept those running backs clear of what their their 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: goals are. 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: And they ran the ball well. 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: And on defense, which has been up and down for them, 32 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: they had their best game and sact justin fields six times. 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: Derrick Brown's a monster coming back from that injuries, playing incredible, 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: and J. C. 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: Warren had a couple of picks and so you look 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: around for the rest of it. 37 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 4: That one pick, Oh my god, Zury pick. 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible. 39 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: So the guys that Dan Morgan invested in money wise 40 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: are showing up for them big time, and I think 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: that's the catalyst of a team heading towards potentially being 42 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: a contender. 43 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 5: Judy, I feel really good for the Panthers because I 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 5: agree like when the season started you thought like, oh 45 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: my gosh, here we go again with this team. But 46 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 5: I feel really good for them, like I want them 47 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 5: to be successful. I feel like I felt bad for 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 5: Bryce Young last year, you know, the benching, and then 49 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 5: he comes back and things like seem to be working 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 5: better for them. I think they've tried to build the team, 51 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 5: rebuild the team back up in the right way, right, 52 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: Like they just tried to focus on like fundamentals and 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: getting good players in there, and finally it seems to 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 5: be turning. You know, I don't know. The NFC's South 55 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 5: is a super wide open division except that the Bucks 56 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 5: are like indomitable. But like, I mean, that division is winnable, 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 5: and so I don't think you can discount the Panthers anymore. 58 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 5: Whereas you sort of used to look at them and 59 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: think like, okay, not the players will look at the Bugs, 60 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 5: you know, maybe the Falcons, the Saints are sort of 61 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 5: out of it. I don't think you can discount the 62 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 5: Panthers as a threat in that division anymore. 63 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 4: Man. I was actually just thinking about the benching earlier today, 64 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: because the thing at the time, it was sort of like, 65 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: all right, obviously, you know Bryce is over, Obviously he's benched. 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: This is it, so like he'll Antidolte will start, and 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: then Bryce will and then immediately it was like, all right, 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: we're benching him, but he's. 69 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 6: Gonna come back, and you're like, okay, is he going 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 6: to come back? And I reported it, but you're sort 71 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 6: of like, well, we'll see what happens. 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: But then he came back and like slowly, slowly started 73 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 4: to figure it out. I think the last couple of 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: games last season, you're like, all right, maybe Bryce really 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: has figured it out. And then this year he's figured 76 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: it out, not perfect, but figured out even more. And 77 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 4: it's almost like, if you have patients and continue to 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 4: work and develop rather than make rashs decisions, even if 79 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: those even if like the patients and the benching, even 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 4: if that really really annoyed your starting quarterback, still could 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: be the right thing. I think the Panthers handled it 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: extremely well. They have built, built slowly and you know, 83 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: strong on both sides of the line, and you're right, 84 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: the guys they've paid have really impressed that jays aren 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: An interception in the end zone was ridiculous yesterday, but like. 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: When healthy, those are the kind of plays he makes. 87 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have we would have been telling a 88 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: lot more about the secondary reception if not for the 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: first one there in the end zone. Cam Let's flip 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: it over to a team that does not appear to 91 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: be going the right direction. Just unpack for me what 92 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: is happening right now with the Miami Dolphins, and even 93 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: more so with all the focus on Mike Daniel, what 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: is going on with Tua. 95 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, I think it's a team that 96 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: doesn't know who they are more than anything. This offseason 97 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: a lot of turnover. You get rid of a Jalen Ramsey, 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: you trade to John hus Smith, you don't bring back 99 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: a Jabon Holland and Odell Beckham, and you really rely 100 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: on young guys and everybody's looking around to who's stepping up, 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: and there's not that voice anymore. 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: We saw twa try to. 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: Be it, stop stuff in a sack, a step in pooh. 104 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: That's not his best role. 105 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: I don't think he naturally leads in that way, and 106 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: when he does. 107 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: He kind of screws up. As he apologized for last week. 108 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel was hired primarily to get this offense on track, 109 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: to get the quarterback on track. And I think in 110 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: these moments where they're really starting to struggle, it's snowball 111 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: and nobody is there to stop the avalanche. And so 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: I know guys were really upset in the locker room 113 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: last week by two his comments, they're really taken aback, 114 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: and I was curious to see how they were respond 115 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: with the fight. But they showed this togetherness, and they 116 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: showed the complete opposite. It looked like a team that 117 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 3: didn't want to be out there, and that, to me 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: starts to be concerning, because it's different when you don't 119 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: have the talent. It's a little different when you don't 120 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: seem to have the fight, which I don't know if 121 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: they had much fight given what I watched on Sunday. 122 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 5: They looked disinterested, and I thought one of the most 123 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 5: damning things was Bill Kawer, who certainly knows a whole 124 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 5: lot more about team dynamics than any of us do, 125 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 5: said it on national television that they looked disinterested and 126 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 5: that he sounded as disgusted as you know, as you 127 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 5: would expect a head coach to sound when he's talking 128 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 5: about a team that he thought looked like it had 129 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 5: checked out. But that's how they looked. I mean, that 130 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 5: was a complete obliteration. That was an I mean, they 131 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: had no fight, and I don't know if there's ever 132 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 5: value in changing a head coach in a football in 133 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: the middle of a football season because they're so short. 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure what that accomplishes, So I don't 135 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: even know if that's necessary now. But man, does Steven 136 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 5: Ross have a lot of work to do in the 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 5: offseason with this team, Like he has to take a long, 138 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: unvarnished look at his franchise and figure out where they're going. 139 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the first of all, no change is imminent, 140 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: it certainly seems with the Dolphins, which at least gives 141 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: them another week or who knows, to kind of figure 142 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 4: this thing out. If they are going to figure it 143 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 4: out now, I will say, if they have another game 144 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: like this, then there's still going to be questions every 145 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: week about when when when. So like, it only seems 146 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: like it's headed in not a good direction unless the 147 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: team dramatically changes it. 148 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 6: You know, Mike McDaniel can be a leader. 149 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 4: You can stand up there and be a smart, savvy, 150 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: analytical leader. Put the guys in the reposition, have a 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: great offense, and stand up in front of the room 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: and lead the team in a way that's not been 153 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: traditional football coaches. But when things are going bad, that's 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: really the test of leadership, and this is the test 155 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: for him right now. Maybe the team really does want 156 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: to see, like, all right, the team's bad, are they 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: going to respond to the head coach or not? Last 158 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: week it was not and this week we'll see. But 159 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: like the players are going to have to play better 160 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: if they're going to fix it. Here's one thing I 161 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: want to ask Cam before we get them out of here. 162 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: When Mike McDaniel started, this offense seemed to be unstoppable. 163 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: Like every running back it seemed gained like seven yards 164 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: a pop. What happened to this offense? Like Mike Big 165 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: Daniel didn't forget how to coach, so like what happened? 166 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: No, it's a great question because McDaniel still is a 167 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: great scheme caller and a play caller. It's interesting because 168 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: I watched Tua's press conference and he said the word 169 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: operation like seven times, and it's been a common word 170 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: that he has used, particularly to describe the struggles there. 171 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: And I think Tua has to take some accountability in this, 172 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: and accountability has been a big thing for two of 173 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: this year because I think when things go wrong, you 174 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: hear Tua talk about all things are coming into its huddle. 175 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: Slowly how they can't make changes at the line of scrimmage, 176 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: but that was an area he mastered in previous years 177 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: and I just don't see the same version of Tua, 178 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: and so I don't know if it's something mentally that 179 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: he's in the block on, or it's just the speed 180 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: of defenses catching up with how they've running scheme wise, 181 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: and they haven't been able to adjust. But the operation 182 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: certainly hasn't been cleaned. Your quarterback also has not excelled 183 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: in those timing routes, those accuracy over the middle that 184 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: had made him great. And so the scheme is set 185 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: up for one player, Tua to be excellent in what 186 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: he's excellent at. He has not been excellent at nearly 187 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: any of those things this year, and as a result, 188 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: we've seen that offense be bad. So yes, McDaniel certainly 189 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 3: deserves some blame for this slow start, but I'd argue too, 190 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: h may deserve even more of it from the offensive 191 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: struggle points because they did it for him, and now 192 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: you can't say, hey, this is somebody else's fault. 193 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: And they reminder the Dolphins zode toa fifty four million 194 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: dollars fully guaranteed in twenty twenty six, So there is 195 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: no clean break looming on the other side of this. 196 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: One way or another, they're paying him that money and 197 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: it'll probably be to be as a quarterback of the 198 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Cam thank you very much. 199 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: We will see soon on the inside. 200 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more on the insight. 201 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: One of the interesting stories of the weekend of Week 202 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: seven in the NFL is what I recorded on Saturday 203 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: that the Packers got stranded on the tarmac in Green 204 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: Bay for almost six hours, which for anybody who's had 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: a very long airplane delay, you know that's not a 206 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: great place to be and you don't have to go 207 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: and play an NFL football game the next day. But 208 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I have to think, maybe this is what Michah Parsons needs. 209 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Maybe just get him really angry, angry the whole deal, 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: because he went out there, Judy. And not to say 211 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't seen Michael Parsons going full borks, we 212 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: have every single week, but three sacks. He was all 213 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: over the field and helped the Packers put one away 214 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: on the road under kind of weird circumstances. 215 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 5: They did look a little sleepy like slow out of 216 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 5: the gate at the first part of the game, and 217 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 5: you sort of thought, like, are they just sort of 218 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 5: out of whack because of that? Like their schedule just 219 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 5: got didn't they have to blow off meetings, evening meetings 220 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 5: they couldn't do We're stuck on the plane, right, So, 221 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: like I just thought, like, are they just so out 222 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 5: of whack now that they're And then of course they 223 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 5: sort of played themselves into waking up and like I mean, 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: Michael Parsons was just a beast, and you know, I'm sorry, 225 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: like we all like to stir the pot, like right, 226 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 5: Like I just wonder like does Jerry Jones see those 227 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 5: highlights at any point, and like, you know, does he 228 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 5: go like Wow, Yeah, that's yeah, he's good boy. You 229 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 5: would love to have a player like that on your team. 230 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: He's I mean, he's just been great and I'm sure 231 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 5: everything that the Packers could have hoped for. And certainly 232 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 5: as the Packers sort of put themselves in position in 233 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: the NFC North, I expect to see that We're going 234 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 5: to see a lot more of that kind of Michael 235 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: Parsons performance. He seems to be on a mission. 236 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: You know, when when teams trade first rounders during the draft, 237 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: someone would be like, hey, you guys, you know we're 238 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: supposed to have the number twenty one pick. What are 239 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: you doing? And it's like, oh, we're watching film of 240 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: the guy we righted for it, right. That's like a 241 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: common sort of like draft joke. I wonder if Jerry 242 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: Jones sees the Micah Parsons play and it's like my 243 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: two first rounders, like guy, it's like how you feel 244 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: and everybody good. So the jury is still out on 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: who won the trade, but I think it's very fair 246 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: to say the Packers got absolutely everything they could have 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: wanted and hoped for, and like you know, Jordan Love 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: certainly has been good more than good enough, but having 249 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: an absolutely dominant defense really helps. I was laughing Tom 250 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: because well, two things. First of all, getting stuck on 251 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: the tarmact is maybe the worst thing. Tarmac is maybe 252 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 4: the worst thing of all time during training camp, that's 253 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: like my nightmare. 254 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 6: Unless they're serving. 255 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: And if they're serving, it's sort of like if we 256 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 4: have power and they're serving like drinks and maybe some snacks, flights. 257 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it. No alcohol team plans. 258 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: You should know this. There have been violations over the years. 259 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 6: You're not allowed didn't you break one of them? I 260 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 6: feel like, when who's the guy who did. 261 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: The Miller lte ad or no lost Taylor Heinekew's highlights 262 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: on the plane back? And then it became, hey, he's 263 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: not allowed to do. 264 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 6: And then I think you got him fined. 265 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: I think I don't think that was my fault. I 266 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: think that that was his fault. But someone did. I mean, 267 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: they weren't planning to have dinner on the plane either. 268 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: So literally, when I got a FaceTime from unnamed source 269 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: from the tarmac, I asked that question, have you eaten? 270 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: It was no, someone just ran to get Chick fil 271 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: A for everybody. So NFL players, they're just like us. Well, 272 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: the other thing to the Cardinals. Now, I had research 273 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: confirmed this five straight losses by a grand total of 274 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: thirteen points. That ties the fewest point differential in a 275 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: five game losing streak in NFL history. With the forty 276 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: nine ers, who had forgotten this, had a streak like 277 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: that back in twenty seventeen. The Cardinals at two and five, 278 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: they're not far off. You know, you're going into your 279 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: buy on a five game losing streak. You think that 280 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: the sky is falling and certainly they're behind the eight ball, 281 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: but without their starting quarterback the last couple of weeks too, 282 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: They're in every one of these games. At some point, 283 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: you got to learn how to finish. We'll see how 284 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: they come back here after the bye. The Bears appear 285 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: to be figuring out how to finish. And I just 286 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: I feel like we are saying this on a weekly 287 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: basis right now, Judy. The way that Ben Johnson has 288 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams playing, the way that Ben Johnson and Dennis 289 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: Allen have players reacting to situations within the game, It's 290 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: amazing to see where they've come, even just since Week one, 291 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: where that game got away from them against the Vikings, 292 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: to the way that even when they took a couple 293 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: of hits from the Saints yesterday, they kept slugging and 294 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: finished that one off for their fourth consecutive win. 295 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 5: It is amazing how different they look from week one. 296 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 5: Right week one, we all came out of that game thing, 297 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, okay, this is they haven't 298 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 5: really improved at all yesterday. I mean, the defense is 299 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: what carried them yesterday, right because I thought Caleb sort of, 300 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 5: you know, had a little trouble getting into the flow there. 301 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 5: But now the defense is going to be able to 302 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 5: perform well too. They are again in an extremely competitive division. 303 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 5: You can no longer look at the Bears and say, well, 304 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 5: not this year. They're still a growing team. You know, 305 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 5: it's our first year head coach. You got to give 306 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: them time. Like, no, you have to look at the 307 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 5: Bears now and say, like, they can win any game, right, 308 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: if things fall into place, they can win any game. 309 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 5: They're certainly a threat in the NFC North, you know, 310 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 5: are they among the NFC elite? Maybe not yet, but 311 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 5: the way they are playing and the way they're progressing. 312 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: We're only in week seven, and the way you have 313 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: already seen them take steps growing only leads you to 314 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 5: believe they're going to continue to get better as they 315 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: get more familiar with each other, as Ben Johnson gets 316 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: more of a hold on things. You would think the 317 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 5: second half of the season is going to show more growth. 318 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: They are certainly going could very well be in the 319 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 5: playoff mix. 320 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 6: The Saints are bad. 321 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 4: Obviously, they don't win any games, and they just lost 322 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: their starting center and the backup running back, and so, 323 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: like my guess is they'll probably continue to be bad. 324 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: They must be the best bad team around. Like, and 325 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 4: I know the Browns just beat up the Dolphins pretty good. 326 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: I feel like the Saints are having good season. 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 6: Is that weird? 328 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: They don't win any games, but I really feel like 329 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: they play hard, they play well, they almost always lose, 330 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: and they seem like a team that's pretty well coached, 331 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: which I know doesn't make any sense maybe, but like, 332 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: like if I was a Saints fan, I'd be like, 333 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: all right, we need a lot better players, but. 334 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 6: This team might be okay. 335 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: You know. 336 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: We also saw the Rams yesterday beat up on the 337 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Jaguars in a game that we know there's a lot 338 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: of familiarity between those two organizations. Sean McVay certainly seemed 339 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: fire up, fired up to take it to his former 340 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: multi time assistant Liam colem Keeps. In that game on 341 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: they where Pokin the Cool, one of the best receivers 342 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL is not in there. Matthew Stafford throws 343 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: five touchdown passes, including three to Devonte Adams. It was 344 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: a good day to be the old guys over there 345 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: in London. We also saw the Jets, who just were 346 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: coming off of a brutal performance in London. They come back. 347 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: This is one of those games that on paper you 348 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: look at and you're like, Okay, there's a scenario where 349 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: they can go and get this one. Yet, for the 350 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: second straight week, Aaron Glenn allows the end of the 351 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: first half to expire without attempting a final play. He 352 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: now is openly One week after biting back at reporters 353 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: who asked him while making a quarterback change, he has 354 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: now said publicly he is considering what to do in 355 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: consulting other coaches. Judy, you're close to people in that organization, 356 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: what exactly do you make of the state of the 357 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: OH to seven Jets right now? 358 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 5: So frustrated, so frustrated. I think what is so maddening 359 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 5: about this team is, and we talked about this a 360 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 5: little bit last week on the Insiders, is that they win. 361 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 5: They play well in spurts on different sides of the 362 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 5: ball right occasionally, especially in the first few games of 363 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 5: the season, the offense looked pretty good, like stuff you 364 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 5: could build on. Is that first game against the Steelers 365 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 5: the offense looked really pretty promising and the defense looked terrible. 366 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 5: And now the last two weeks the defense has looked 367 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: really good. I mean, they lost but they held the 368 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 5: Panthers to thirteen points, same thing as last week. They 369 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 5: could have won the game if the offense had just 370 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 5: been able to put any one drive together. So they're 371 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 5: just so frustrated, so frustrated. I don't know what Aaron 372 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 5: Glenn is going to do. He said he wants to 373 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: take a little bit more time to think about the 374 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 5: quarterback situation. We were talking before about the Bryce Young thing, 375 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 5: and I thought about this before, like, is this a 376 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 5: situation where they think if you sit justin fields for 377 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 5: a few weeks, reset and maybe things are different. I 378 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 5: don't know, He's not a rookie anymore, right, He's played 379 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 5: some football. This has happened in multiple spots. But I 380 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 5: don't know if they are very many good options for 381 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 5: Aaron Glenn. I mean, right like Tyro Taylor. You know, 382 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 5: everybody likes him and he can throw the ball down 383 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 5: the field, which he did yesterday. In that respect, there 384 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: was a little bit more juice to the offense when 385 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 5: he got in there, but the results were the same. 386 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 5: I mean the interception. You know, I don't know that 387 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 5: there's a good choice for Aaron Glenn here. As he 388 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 5: ponders the quarterback situation, and I don't know how they 389 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 5: They have to put a game together. The defense is 390 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: playing well enough to win these games now the last 391 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: two weeks. They just have to be able to put 392 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 5: a few drives together and just look competent. Competent. Certainly 393 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 5: it'll look better when Garrett Wilson is on the field, 394 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 5: of course, but I mean, they just have to stop 395 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 5: making bad mistakes. They've got to stop making penalties. They've 396 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 5: got to do better game management, better situational football, like 397 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 5: you just talked about. They've just got to get more competent. 398 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, like looking at the quarterback decision, 399 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: I definitely understand why Justin Field was not in the 400 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: field after the first half, Like that was that seemed 401 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: fairly obvious. 402 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 6: But to watch Taroto go out there. 403 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: And I think through two interceptions and the offense didn't 404 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: move at all, I'm sort of like, all right, like 405 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 4: what are they What can they do? Like honestly, like, 406 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 4: what what can they do to make it better? 407 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 6: Like I have no idea? 408 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 4: And you know that's a little brain numbing because like, 409 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 4: if you're Jets fans, you like to think that. 410 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 6: There's like a light at the end of the tunnel, 411 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 6: and I don't know that there is on the roster. 412 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: And I guess it's all the head coaches fault, because 413 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: everything's the head coach's fault, but. 414 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 6: Like, is that his fault? You know, Like they don't 415 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 6: have any good. 416 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Quarter put his stamp on Justin Fields obviously before the 417 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: season they not even close to I think. 418 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 4: And I think at the time that was probably the 419 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: best option for them. 420 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 6: But then it's like they got a bunch of old. 421 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 4: Players after going all in with Aaron Rodgers, and now 422 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: like it's just kind of like a weird transition where 423 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: they just don't have any don't have enough to win, 424 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 4: And I think that's that's tough. 425 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: All right. We got to go Insiders five days a week. 426 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: You can find the podcast. You can see us seven 427 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: pm Eastern Time on NFL Network on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays. 428 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: We're on the Fast Channel on Mondays and Thursdays. We're 429 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: all over the place. Thank you for being here for 430 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: Ian Raupport, Judy Battista, and my dog who I've been 431 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: holding for a half hour because he was getting. 432 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: Scared of the thunder. 433 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 6: All right, Doug, I'm Tom Tella. 434 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: Seril see