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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon in this episode number two eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show and joined by Matt Dye and

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Speaker 1: Adam Keith of Land and Legacy to discuss their holistic

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Speaker 1: approach to habitat management and food plots. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired Dun podcast, brought to you by on X,

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Speaker 1: and today we've got Matt Dye and Adam Keith joining us.

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Speaker 1: And these guys are the owners of Land and Legacy,

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Speaker 1: which is a habitat consulting business as well as a

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Speaker 1: content platform which they're producing all sorts of podcasts and

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Speaker 1: videos and blogs and all sorts of things revolved around

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Speaker 1: managing and improving properties for deer and other wildlife. But

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Speaker 1: they're doing this in a way it's it's i think,

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Speaker 1: pretty different than most others out there. Right, there's all

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Speaker 1: sorts of different habitat experts out there. We've talked to

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Speaker 1: someone them on the podcast and they're great, But Man

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Speaker 1: Adam bring this unique perspective that's very focused on on

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Speaker 1: trying to harness the natural processes and systems out there,

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Speaker 1: trying to do things that are more in line with

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Speaker 1: with the natural way of things, more in tune with

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Speaker 1: Mother Nature, instead of fighting against it with these unnatural

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Speaker 1: disturbances or whatever it might be. And I think this

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Speaker 1: leads to a it's kind of a philosophical conversation to

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Speaker 1: a degree, but then also we get to some very

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Speaker 1: tactical things too. So we talk high level habitat ideas,

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Speaker 1: why they look at the natural world in this way,

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Speaker 1: why they try to approach their management projects in this way.

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Speaker 1: But then also we get right into, you know, the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty details of how to plant better food plots,

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Speaker 1: how to improve different parts of old fields or a

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Speaker 1: timber stand, how to do these things in ways that

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Speaker 1: that require less of this unnatural rule contact. You know,

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Speaker 1: how we can get get away with getting great food

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Speaker 1: plots with less herbicide. How can we do things with

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Speaker 1: a reduced tillage. How can we find ways to to

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Speaker 1: maybe go against the conventional wisdom to some degrees as

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Speaker 1: far as the negative impacts we might have, but still

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Speaker 1: getting great benefits for deer and deer hunting. Another wildlife

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Speaker 1: that in a very vague, high level kind of sense

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Speaker 1: is what we're gonna be discussing today, um, and I

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Speaker 1: promise you it is very interesting and very applicable to

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Speaker 1: what I think a lot of us will be focusing

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Speaker 1: on here in the coming days, weeks, and months as

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Speaker 1: we head into the season these final you know, this

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Speaker 1: build up to hunting season for a lot of us.

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Speaker 1: If you can manage properties to any degree, or even

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Speaker 1: if you just want to someday, the content the kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff we discussed today is going to be very

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Speaker 1: very useful, all right with me on the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: we've got Adam Keith and Matt Dye from Land and Legacy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Guys, Hey, Mark, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Great to be here. Appreciate it, sir, Yeah, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: as well. And it's it's I probably should have brought

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Speaker 1: Dan in here, since you guys are part of sports

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Speaker 1: in his nation, and I'm kind of like yanking out

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Speaker 1: his superstars out from underneath him and talking to you

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Speaker 1: guys on on our show here. But I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: the nine Fingered Wonder is willing to share with you

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Speaker 1: you guys have wired to hunt, because I think you

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Speaker 1: guys have a good, a really good thing going. UM.

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Speaker 1: I've been enjoying the Land Legacy podcasts. It's one of

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Speaker 1: all the time. But you guys give me something that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit different, a little bit outside of the

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Speaker 1: I think is his relatively unique in our space and

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Speaker 1: And it's also I told you this before we start recording.

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Speaker 1: But I've been out west for like a month month

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Speaker 1: and a half now, just kind of thinking about all

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Speaker 1: and like my blood pressure has been steadily rising. I'm

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Speaker 1: So you guys are gonna help prepare me for my return.

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Speaker 1: get done. Yeah. And if you're asking specific projects that

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Speaker 1: We laugh, when we're consulting. The Cobbler's kids don't have shoes.

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Speaker 1: We're laying I guess laying consultants. But we don't get

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Speaker 1: a big part of the year, especially the best time

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Speaker 1: So we've got projects lined out where we're trying to

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Speaker 1: sure we'll get into it, but a big project that's

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Speaker 1: That makes me think about a statement I've heard you

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Speaker 1: It's something that seems to be like a holistic philosophy

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Speaker 1: does that mean you guys? Yeah, I think if somebody

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Speaker 1: What why does that matter? How does that actually manifest itself?

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Speaker 1: So this area that was timber harvested, was it was

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Speaker 1: got thousands I don't know how many pounds of food,

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Speaker 1: or each year that's producing. Whereas before close Cannaby you

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Speaker 1: in nature, once again, working with nature, not against her,

431
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: is aesthetics is not something that nature cares about. Um.

432
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: It's a very chaos driven way of management, and so

433
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: we're really just trying to be as chaotic. But most

434
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: importantly as diverse as possible, chaoic and strategic. I think

435
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: I think you have to ask you what yourself. The

436
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: question is why am I? Why am I improving this?

437
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: Am I improving it for myself? Or am I proving

438
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: it for the wildlife? Because again, the wildlife doesn't care

439
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: where it looks like it's sleeping. It just cares that

440
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: it's secure. And and to answer the question about you know,

441
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: let's compare a food plot to let's say an old

442
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: field stand. Is that food plot, Yes, it produces a

443
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of forage per year, but it's only producing forage.

444
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: Whereas in comparison to an old field stand, you take

445
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: an acre of that next door to a food plot,

446
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: you have both forage and cover in the exact same acre,

447
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: and not just forage during a certain time frame. If

448
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: if it's old field and you have that component of shrubs,

449
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: you now have food. And you can look at almost

450
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country and you'll see really browsed heavily

451
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: food plots during that late winter early spring. But you'll

452
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: also can turn around and go to a field of

453
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: an old field and see natives already pomp and the

454
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: deer could be browsing on. So they're already providing forage

455
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: during the very early ring, and then they're flourishing through

456
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: the summer providing tons of forage and then at the

457
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: same time providing cover. But then you go into the

458
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: fall and you still have diversity in that old field

459
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: where you still have forage available with certain species, but

460
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: then you take it in the winter there's cover there.

461
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: But then that's when those shrubs and that woody browse

462
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: is abundant to where you've got food year round and

463
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: cover a year round in an old field or prairie

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: grass and landscape. If I'm if I'm a guy who's

465
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: got limited acres toun and manage, I want each and

466
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: every acre. It's more important for each and every acre

467
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: to have multiple uses as in food and cover than

468
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: just one. So I wanted to my property to be

469
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: the most attractive the longer periods of the year or

470
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Speaker 1: throughout the entire year, not just these peaks that we

471
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Speaker 1: see in food plot acres. So old field is roughly

472
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Speaker 1: three thousand pounds of digestible wards a year. Food plots,

473
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: depending on the species, is four to five thousands. Some

474
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: somewhere in that neighborhood but food plots don't provide cover

475
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: old field does. So you're killing two birds with one

476
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: stone in old field situations. And it also you have

477
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: to pay for the food plot every single year. You

478
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: have a lot more work. Yeah. So another benefit of

479
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: these of these old field type habitats or some other

480
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: kind of plantings you can do is that they benefit

481
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: pollinator species, things like monarch, butterflies, and bees and and

482
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. This, this the notion

483
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: of of managing or trying to improve habitat for pollinators

484
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: is something that's beginning to be talked about a little

485
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: bit more in our world, just a little bit. Um.

486
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: It's something I've been paying on a lot of tension

487
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: to here recently and starting to try to factor into

488
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: my management plans. Um. Can you speak to why that matters?

489
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Like why should a deer hunter if someone would call

490
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: themselves a deer hunter first and foremost, why should they

491
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: care about something like that? Um? And how might that

492
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: benefit their dear related goals to absolutely? Uh, we'll have

493
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: to be very careful when you start mentioning monarchs and

494
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: and pollinators, so we don't nerd out on this. Um.

495
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: So it kind of goes with that whole caring about

496
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: the holistic um landscape. UM. And we're looking at trying

497
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: to manage for not only pollinators, for the microbes and

498
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: the microbial activity and the microbes in the soil all

499
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: the way up to other bird species. And if you

500
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: deer are relatively pretty easy to manage for when when

501
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: you look at them from a whole I guess nationwide landscape,

502
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: you'll find them in residential areas, eaten zaleas or whatever

503
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: else in and plantings and so they're pretty adaptive. Um.

504
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: But you start looking at monarchs and pollinators, they look

505
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: they take a little bit more um, a little bit

506
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: more management freeze. We should care about those is because

507
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: if you have this diverse landscape to where you're providing

508
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: benefits to species like the monarch, butterfly or some of

509
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: our native pollinators, you have them on your landscape, it

510
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: tells us we have enough diversity on the landscape to

511
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: provide all the benefits to the deer um to where

512
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: they don't have to go to the neighboring properties or

513
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: five miles down the road to find species to survive.

514
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: You should have everything there when you get this diversity

515
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: of species. Yeah, it's kind of like a you know,

516
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: you can use it as an indicator species or an

517
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: indicator of quality of the habitat that's there. If you

518
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of pollinator species, oh well then I'm

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: doing a great job of managing my property. And I

520
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: know other species like deer and turkey and quail. Can

521
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: you look at quail and turkey polts. Most of their

522
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: diet when they're first born is all insect based. So

523
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: you can't have those types of the species without a

524
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: good population of insects aka pollinators things like that, you

525
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: won't have honetable population. So you need be managing and

526
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: looking for these indicator species to know where you stand

527
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: in the quality of habitat you're providing. Yeah, I think

528
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of species we look for. It would

529
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: go up to the northeast. It's like, oh, Matt was

530
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: in uh Pennsylvania at this spring or a couple of

531
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: months ago and got into an area where it's like, boy,

532
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: the habitat looks like it's the habitat is getting good

533
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: around here. Out jump some rough grouse and it's like, oh, perfect,

534
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we're going for. Um down here in

535
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: the Midwest, it may be northern bobwhite quail, but pollinators

536
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: compare it to close canopy forest that's not providing anything

537
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: for pollinators hardly, uh, specifically on our butterfly. And so

538
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: if you don't have them, if you don't have the

539
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: species within your timber, then you're not You probably don't

540
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: have the species that are providing much benefit to the

541
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: white tailed deer. But if you have them out in

542
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: your open areas, then those same species that the poll

543
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: that the pollinators are using the deer used as well

544
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: for brows. Um. And then some of them, like golden rod,

545
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: grew up tall enough to provide cover as well. So

546
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: so um. One of the situations I've been encountering or

547
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: learning about a little bit more here recently are the

548
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: government programs that are out there to incentivize the improvement

549
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: of pollinator habitat. Because right there's there's at a very

550
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: high level. You guys can try speak to us better

551
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: than I can, but at a very high level, we're

552
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: noticing significant declines in many pollinator species population levels across

553
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: the country. And these pollinator species play a very important

554
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: role across a number of facets, especially agriculture. A huge

555
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: amount of our crops out there depend on some degree

556
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: of pollination as well as many other things going on

557
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: across the nation without these butterflies, about these bees, with

558
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: all these other insects, if we really do dramatically lose

559
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: many of those populations were in trouble. They do a

560
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: lot of natural They provide a lot of benefits through

561
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: these different natural systems. So, because we're facing this crisis

562
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: of some sort, the government, state and federal has a

563
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: number of different programs out there to incentivize private landowners

564
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: to put in or to try to manage their property

565
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: in some kind of way that will provide the habitat

566
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: these these animals need, these creatures needs. So they'll give

567
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you maybe cost assistance with provide you know, get buying

568
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: seed or buying spray. Um. They might even pay rental

569
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: payments on stuff like this part of CRP whatever it is. UM.

570
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: So the point being is that there are these programs

571
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: that you can get involved in that will incentivize you,

572
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: help you manage the cost to manage an old field

573
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: like this, to put to plant a pollinator blend or something,

574
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: so you'll get some cost assistance out of it. But

575
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: then like cremin if I'm wrong, but the types of

576
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: things that these guys are are helping you pay for

577
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: these pollinator blends, these native grasses and wildflowers and stuff

578
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: that's tremendous wildlife habitat across the board. Right, that's not

579
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: just great for butterflies and bees, that's great for deer

580
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: and turkeys and polls everything you just said, right. Absolutely.

581
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I think if if you were to ask me, if

582
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: you were to put me in a corner and tie

583
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: my hands behind my back and say from November one November,

584
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: you can either hunt food plots or you can hunt

585
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: old fields, I'll no doubt say I'll hunt an old

586
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: field because I know sooner or later I'm gonna it's

587
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna pay off big for me. I'll be on the

588
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: other side of that old field with a bow in

589
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: hand too. Yeah, with doubt, a doubt, without a doubt.

590
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: And I mean food is definitely important, and food plots

591
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: are great. We plant food plots ourselves. But at the

592
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: same time, I think cover is a huge part um

593
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: that that is sometimes overlooked and not used and sold.

594
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: These pollinator programs not only do they help basically you're

595
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: coming at it from a pollinator approach saying, Okay, we're

596
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: doing this for the pollen, for the pollinators, but your

597
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: deer benefiting just as much. And in most instances if

598
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: it's a crop field, yeah, sure the crops provided some

599
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: benefit to the deer during a portion of the year,

600
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: but this is year round benefit to the to the wildlife,

601
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: and the government is helping you do it. And it's

602
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: not only making that area better, but the area around it,

603
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the other parts of the of the land much more productive.

604
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: You talked about UM as we're kind of getting to

605
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: this topic. The fact that you are focusing your nerd

606
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: out really on a lot of the the minute aspects

607
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: of landscape health, things like microbes, things like pollinators, things

608
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: like soil health, UM and all of this is all

609
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: related to another topic that I've been really geeking out

610
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: myself on, which is this idea of regenerative agriculture and

611
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: how to apply some of these ideas. We're talking about

612
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: two now. If we are are going to actively manage

613
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: a piece of ground or some portion of it to

614
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: try to plant a crop of food plot of some sort,

615
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: trying to do that in a way that's in sync

616
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: with nature, I think is a natural next step from

617
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about here, there's there's managing what's

618
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: already there, and then if we are going to add

619
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: something new, how do we do that in a way that, um,

620
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: that is as beneficial as possible without pulling in any

621
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: of the negative side effects of some of the tools

622
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: that are typically used within the conventional agricultural world. UM.

623
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about just why or how

624
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: regenerative agriculture, however you guys want refer to this kind

625
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: of concept as how that became something you guys are

626
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: interested in and why it's still appealing. I know, I

627
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: think out of out of failures, definitely out of failures

628
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: and mentors of mine UM over the years. Uh. And

629
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: then that was I mean years ago, uh in the

630
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: two thousand, probably two thousand eight nine, and then also

631
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: again two thousand anti in I worked with some guys

632
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: that had this mentality before it was called reginative agriculture,

633
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: but they had a very holistic mindset. One was a

634
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: cattle farmer who just tried to add as much diversity

635
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: in his pastors as austome UM to a point where

636
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not fertilizing, I'm not adding any

637
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: soil amendments. I'm using the cattle to fertilize my pastures,

638
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: but i'm moving them. Basically, all I'm doing is replicating

639
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: what the bison hurts dead years ago. And back then

640
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: as a young guy, that really, I mean, I was

641
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: still focused on I want to kill the biggest beer

642
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: in this county. And so looking back, I'm like, man,

643
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: he was so ahead of his time in that mindset. Um.

644
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: And then I worked for another guy who was uh.

645
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: He worked for the conservation apartment, and he was the

646
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: one who encouraged planting diverse food plots because we need

647
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: to be thinking about all the native species, not just here.

648
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: And both those guys were huge and and really pouring

649
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: in that mindset of you know, there's more, there's more

650
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: out here than just deer. And if you focus on

651
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: trying to help species that need more help, pollinators, bob

652
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: like whail um, redhead woodpecker, all kinds of other species

653
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: that may be a species of concern, your deer still

654
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: benefiting just as much um and and probably gonna do

655
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: better than just your typical food plot, close canopy. For

656
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: it's management that you see a lot so for for myself,

657
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I grew up on the East Coast, specifically within the

658
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Chestpeake Bay Watershed, and there's a lot of of course

659
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: laws and things like that, um, nutrient management in that area,

660
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: and that I'm not gonna say is the birthplace at all,

661
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: but a humongous wave of cover cropping began in the

662
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay Watershed in Maryland, Virginia, Delaware, those type of

663
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: areas Pennsylvania as well. UM, And so I was kind

664
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: of immersed in that to grow up in a farming

665
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: community background in the family, and so I've kind of

666
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: always known cover cropping, no till drilling, and just kind

667
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: of new, gosh, why why wouldn't you do this kind

668
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: of stuff? And then moving out to the Midwest, it's like,

669
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: oh wow, that's that wave of information. Um, hadn't made

670
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: it this far out. Again, it's like, well, we can

671
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: apply it elsewhere too, not just from a farming standpoint,

672
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: but why wouldn't we do it in in like food

673
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: plot acres as well. So that was kind of like

674
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: that information, like, wow, we can we can take this

675
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: application in a farming sense, And because again the soils foundation,

676
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: why not why not learn the foundation the knowledge behind

677
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: how to manage it? Learn it and then apply what

678
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: we need to and the plot situations. So can you

679
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: walk us through your guys process for your typical food plot,

680
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: because I know it's different than the usual the typical

681
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: person out there who's who's going to about doing things

682
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: in the conventional way. The way you guys are operating

683
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: is is pretty unique compared to that. Can you walk

684
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: us through what that process throughout the year looks like

685
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: for you and then as you do that, explain why

686
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: what you're doing is beneficial. Yeah, So sticking a food plots,

687
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I guess our typical process and I don't know if

688
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: there's anything typical about what we do. I'm trying to

689
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: think of because we're always testing and trying new things.

690
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: But a typical way that we would plant a food

691
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: plot is our goal is to have diversity UM and

692
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: we can't always do that. We weren't able to do

693
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: that on my family farm because of years of heavy

694
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: tillage UM and and problematic species like crab grass. But

695
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: our typical way is to spray UH two courts preaker

696
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: of life of states pre planting, So some in April

697
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: we will spray UM and then we will plant a

698
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: diverse blend eight or more species typically, and that's it.

699
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: That's all we're gonna do until August rolls around, and

700
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go back in. Let's make sure. Like

701
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people would hear you say spray and

702
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: then plant, and they think, well, what about all the

703
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: in between stuff? There's no one between for you, right am?

704
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: I am I hearing you right? That you are spring?

705
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: And then how long the time period are you waiting

706
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: between the spray and then going and planting? And how

707
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: are you planting? Are you is this drilling it? Are

708
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: you broadcasting it? Are you what are you doing there?

709
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: Give me a little more detail? Oh yeah, all the above. Yeah.

710
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: So we've got two different techniques and and we've tried

711
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: because I think there's a in a food plot world.

712
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: There's there's I guess, practical for most guys, and then

713
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: there's what our goals are are. The top of the

714
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: summit is, Okay, if I'm planting food plot, what is

715
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: the very best thing I can do to ensure a

716
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: productive food plot? And that's no till drilling. But at

717
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: the same time, that's not practical for a lot of guys.

718
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: But for us, we have easy access. We can rent

719
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: a hotel drill right in our county U s d

720
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: A office, and so we spray and then it may

721
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: be two days or it may be a week before

722
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: we go in with the no tel drill and we

723
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: drill our food plot and then we don't do anything.

724
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: If we plant what we want, and it's typically this

725
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: diverse blend has got sun, hemp, cowpeas, I can list

726
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: those out, some flowers, um my lot millets. We plant

727
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: that and then we don't do anything until August when

728
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: we plant our fall plot. Um. And we may do

729
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the same thing or we may just drill right through

730
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: the standing. We we don't really have a system that's

731
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: like we do this every single time. It really depends, honestly,

732
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: watching how that food plot grows throughout the summer, depends

733
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: on the incoming rains. Um, you know, what are what

734
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: are we expecting for the fall. And here's another important

735
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: thing to note is no till planting also includes broadcasting.

736
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: That's a form if you're not doing any tillage and

737
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: you're simply broadcasting seed onto the ground into stuff or

738
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: or thatch layer. We've done that with a lot of success,

739
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to note that that's a

740
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: form of no tilling planting. It's just not utilizing the

741
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: no till drill. So a lot of people want to say, hey,

742
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to be conscious of the soil and not

743
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: till it, but I can't get no till drill. Well,

744
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: we'll know that you're still doing no till practices by

745
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: broadcasting seed. But from our experience, you have to have

746
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: an adequate thatch layer and rains to allow that seed

747
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: to germinate. But it will absolutely work. Yeah, and so

748
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess if you wanted to sum up our two

749
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: processes for planting food plots that we use most of

750
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: the time is spraying and within a week we know

751
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: till drill. Typically that's more important in the spring with

752
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: bigger seeds like corn or soybeans um. And then we

753
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: also use a technique that is basically we spray, we broadcast,

754
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: and we then culti pac or roll or drag um

755
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: that area that we just sprayed. And basically that is

756
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: that is what we found as being the most successful

757
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: way to to have a food plot without having any

758
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: other equipment besides a four wheeler and a drag or

759
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: could patter um. But that that system is very It's

760
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: very important that you have main forecasting and coming. So,

761
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: so give me a little more detail as far as

762
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: the specifics, because that that scenario right there is what

763
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: I was trying this spring myself, and I was trying

764
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: it to plant food plat screens. So I've never done

765
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: this before. I never tried the no tell broadcast only approach,

766
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: but I thought, you're gonna give us a shot. Um.

767
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: So what happened for me that was trying to figure

768
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: out what's the right order of operations, what's the right

769
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: gap in time between things between when I spray and

770
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: when I broadcast versus and what I did the throw

771
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: and MO. So I tried spray, broadcast MO over top, um,

772
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: But can you walk me through the like the actual

773
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: details of the ideal scenario, like when you would do

774
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: the spray, how long you'd wait to broadcast, or what

775
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: the right orders and all that. What's worked the best

776
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: for you guys at least? And sorry, one more additional question.

777
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: What types of seeds does this kind of thing work

778
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: for versus what types of seeds would not? So typically

779
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: the best case scenario for this to work is you

780
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: get some rains, you have moisture in the soil. You

781
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: go out and you broadcast your seed. You can do

782
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: this a couple of ways, but most importantly, you've got rain,

783
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: so you've got moisture. You go out and you spray

784
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it and you kill it, and then you return and

785
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: and we've done this the same day, spray it and

786
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: then turn around and broadcast the same day, or you

787
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: can wait a few days ads. But the key is

788
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: that you have thatch. That's gonna be the biggest thing

789
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: to ensure a success or one of the big things,

790
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: because you need something to cause this almost vapor barrier

791
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: and hold that moisture in um to where you get

792
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: good seed um german nation. At the same time, it

793
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: protects those seeds from being eaten by birds and mice

794
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and other and other animals. So having moisture in the

795
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: soil then also having a thatch layer. And it could

796
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: be only knee high grass, it could be just tall

797
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: festival to say, it could be your fall food plot,

798
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: your spraying out, or it could be a pasture that

799
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: or a portion of a patch they have permission to plant. Yeah,

800
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: that's that layer super important. So it's moist ground spray

801
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: broadcast either day of or or or day after and

802
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: then you hope for income and lay that thatch rate

803
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: or top of it, or you can drag it right

804
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: on top of it. Um that the biggest thing is

805
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: having thatch layer and having rain coming as what's going

806
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: to make that um and make sure that that rain

807
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: is not an absolute gully washer. Even if you have

808
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: some thatch that that water, that amount of water in

809
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: a short period of time is going to redistribute that

810
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: seed across the field and you'll have really heavy patches

811
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: really light patches. So just make sure it's a nice

812
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: general rain and and a strong um percentage of rain

813
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: coming and walk away and let nature run its course.

814
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: Those seeds will germinate, come up through the thatch, and

815
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: that the beauty of the thatch is that once those

816
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: seeds germanate, let's say you've got a little bit of

817
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: a duck layer that's helping protect those seeds and and

818
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: that tender vegetation establish a root system so that when

819
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: it does jump above the thatch layer, it can resist

820
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: some of that browse. You know, it can handle some

821
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: of that pressure that's going to come. The most important

822
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: thing that you can do is protect young basically young

823
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: forage from getting over browned, and that thatch layer help

824
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to do that absolutely. And and so when you're asking

825
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: about species that it works best with smaller seeds is

826
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: always better. UM. So that's why in the fall you

827
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: tend to. Everybody is probably at some point planted a

828
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: fall food plot of wheat and spilled some in the

829
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: back of the truck, and three weeks later they turned around,

830
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: they've got a food plot growing in the back of

831
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: the truck. UM. It's a really hardy species that can

832
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: grow and gravel. And same with cereal rye and um.

833
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: So those species do really well with this application. But

834
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: we've had success planting soybeans and UM. But it all

835
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: comes back to having the thatched layer and having an

836
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: adequate moisture UM to ensure success. I'll speak Mark, if

837
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: you don't mind. People are probably listening, going that sounds

838
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: way too complicated. I'm gonna keep tilling UM and I'll

839
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: speak a little bit on I guess my experience if

840
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: you want to dial it way back. Um over. I

841
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: think when I calculated this, I think it's about twenty

842
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: one or twenty two years we've been planting food plots

843
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: at my family farm Ozark Mountains, very shallow soil is

844
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of organic matter. When we started planting

845
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: food plots, I almost cringe explaining this, but we had

846
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: a big plow disc plow um, so it's a two

847
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: disc plow. We plowed the entire field. Then we turned

848
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: around and we broke out the disk and we disc

849
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: the entire field to break up that sod layer, and

850
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: then we harrowed that entire field, and then we broadcasted

851
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: our seed and then we drugged the field. Um. It

852
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: was a long process. Weeks weeks we would start that

853
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: because we only had a thirty horse massy ferguson um

854
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: and so it took weeks of preparing it and getting

855
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: it ready and uh we I. You know, if we

856
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: go to some of the other parts of our farm,

857
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: we have organic matter up close to six but if

858
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: you go into the areas of our food plots were

859
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: down around four UM. And so we had very poor soils.

860
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: And with our heavy tillage for almost fifteen years, it

861
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: really really drained our successful food plots and and drained

862
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: organic matter to where it had to be almost perfect

863
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: conditions for us to get a successful food plot. And

864
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: when we realized what was occurring, when this whole no

865
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: till things started hitting the those arcs and we started

866
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: getting into it, we realized that what took fifteen years

867
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: to accomplish was going to take a lot more years,

868
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: probably double to correct what had happened. UM And so,

869
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: guys in in heavy you know, you've got all kinds

870
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: of top soil. You're in Iowa. You may never see that,

871
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: you could tell until until and you may never see it,

872
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: but at some point somebody is going to see the

873
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: negative impacts of that heavy tillage. And most people aren't

874
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: in those soils. The vast majority of deer hunters don't

875
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: have the luxury of planting food plots in that type

876
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: the soil that seemed to be endless. Most of us

877
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: certain situations like this where it's rougher, poor soils. So

878
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: you have to treat again, you're only as good as that,

879
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: UM the food plot preparations. And if you're going in

880
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: and right out of the gate destroying the soil that

881
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: you're banking on helping you grow a crop, you're you're

882
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: kicking yourself in the shins right out of the gate.

883
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: So treat the soil with respect as a foundation to

884
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: understand how it works. And that's why truthfully go back

885
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: to work with mother and nature, not against it. Is

886
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: we understand how soil works, the biology behind it, and

887
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: we don't want to destroy it right out of the

888
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: gate and then sit there. How many times have you

889
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: heard I've played my food plot sow, I'm praying for rain,

890
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm praying for UM this to occur. It's like, yeah,

891
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: because you just destroyed your soil and you just are

892
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: legit sit there and bake, and now you have the

893
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: only chance you have is is for rain to come

894
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: within a certain period of time to make it successful.

895
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: That's that's not smart. And so that's why are utilizing

896
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: thatch and no till techniques to get us through tougher

897
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: times UM and still have that success. So so in

898
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: addition to not telling up the soul and not ripping

899
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: apart all the life that's going on underneath the surface there,

900
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: in addition to trying to maintain some kind of organic

901
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: matter on top that thatch is there. All things, like

902
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: you said, they're going to help build the foundation for

903
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: your food plot. Another thing that I know helps with

904
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: this is having that diversity of species that you're planting,

905
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: because that's in line with nature, right, the mono culture

906
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: is not a natural thing out there in the natural landscape. Um,

907
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: can you guys elaborate a little bit on why you

908
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: guys find diversity not just in line with nature but

909
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: also so beneficial from a wildlife Habitat standpoint, and then

910
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: one of you, I think maybe was Adam, you started

911
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: listing some of the species that you plant. But can

912
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: you give me a whole breakdown of of everything that's

913
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: going to be in your fall food plot, blend or

914
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: as much as you're going to share, and why each

915
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: piece of that puzzle? Absolutely? Um. So when it comes

916
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: to why why we try to plant diversity versus monocultures?

917
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: And I know a d h D and a horrible memory,

918
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I may forget part of this answer, but here we go.

919
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: When it comes to trying to avoid the monocultures. UM.

920
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: For instance, soybeans a huge, hugely popular summer food plot.

921
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: You plant that and it's basically you have whatever bare

922
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: ground and soybeans, it's just perfect pickings for a deer

923
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: to go out and stand or move through and completely

924
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: overbrowse this area. But if you add diversity their species

925
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: within these um, most of our plantings that deer don't

926
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: eat until a certain stage. For instance, mile o or millet,

927
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: they won't eat it until it produces a seed head.

928
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: So that whole time you have this little bit of

929
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: a protection for whatever young species is a company in that,

930
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: and so deer can't over browse those food plots nearly

931
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: as much. But at the same time, each species mines

932
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: or uses a certain nutrient out of the soil, So

933
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: they're putting roots down on the soil and mining those

934
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: nutrients from deep within and bringing that back up near

935
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: the surface to where the next crop once it's terminated,

936
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: the next that adequately available um and so at the

937
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: same time, just like nature, they all lean on each

938
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: other and support each other. So some species may not

939
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: like the heat nearly as much as another species, but

940
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: because it's next to that species that can flourish in

941
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: the heat, it can withstand it a little better because

942
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: it's it's leaning on it for support. They're holding nutrients together.

943
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: They have a different roots system. One may be a

944
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: tap root and the other one maybe a fiber root system,

945
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: to where you have this diversity all working together to

946
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: create a ecosystem, if you will. Even some of some

947
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: of those species are shading out the other species until

948
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: those ones get browsed and then then it's basically their

949
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: next in line too for their time to shine, and

950
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: they're hitting that later portion of the summer um where

951
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: they're more attractive and palatable. So you're not banking on

952
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: one crop to do something for let's say, however many

953
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: months and withstand all the things that Mother nature is

954
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: gonna throw at it, whether it's bugs, whether it's disease,

955
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: whether it's um when, whether it's a lack of rainfall.

956
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: You have let's say ten different species, they are all

957
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: working together among each other, and that all can withstand

958
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: and and basically fight through those difficult times making that

959
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: food plot itself attractive from April till October. That's a

960
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: think about think about just the seasons that we go through.

961
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: We go through spring, summer, and fall in that that

962
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: span of time, and you're trying if you're playing a monoculture,

963
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: not diversity within food pots. You're banking on that um

964
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: that crop to be flexible with that biggest swing of

965
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: temperatures and everything like that. So if you're playing diversity,

966
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: you know that all those crops are gonna be able

967
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: to again have their peak, have their time of attraction

968
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: and basically work with each other to make that food

969
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: plot out of the gate from April all the way

970
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: to October just shine and attractive and beneficial, or from

971
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: August to yeah, if you're planting ball and if you're

972
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: plant fall. So here's the species that we typically try

973
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: to include, and we tweak it every year. But these

974
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: are some of our favorites. UM, and i'll list explain

975
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: by plots. So we love purple top turnips. UM. We

976
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: love a different type of turn up, maybe a forage

977
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: turn up so it can handle browse pressure a little

978
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: better than the purple cop tournup. We love radishes, whether

979
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: it be a nitro or icon or go for radish.

980
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: We love those um string in winter piece. UM. We

981
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: love getting into some of our grains. We love cereal,

982
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: rye trick, kayley oats and wheat UM. And then we

983
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: also love annual clovers and we're growing very fond of

984
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: the ansa and versine clovers uh and crimson clover UM.

985
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: And I think that would pretty much. Harry Vetch is

986
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: another one that we really like. UM. And you combine

987
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: all those together and you have grasses and you have

988
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: legumes and you have broad leaves, and just like nature,

989
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: and you've got the big the big three types and

990
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: the big three, and you can really bust up compaction,

991
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you can mind nutrients, and you can prevent erosion. Um.

992
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: At the same time, if you look at each of

993
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: those species, just use the cereal grains. Oats are tremendous

994
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: attraction during the early fall, during that October early November

995
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: time frame. UM. We and trip kayley and cereal ride

996
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: and they take a little longer to get that root

997
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: system established and and get where deer actually brows on it.

998
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: But those are tremendous plants to have in your food

999
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: plot acres for that late winter early spring when there's

1000
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: hardly anything else green on the landscape. UM. Then you

1001
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: look at radishes. They're really attractive during the early part

1002
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: of the season. UM. But then as you get those

1003
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: first heavy frost, that's when the deer can shift over

1004
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: and really brows on the purple top turnips and the

1005
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: forage turnips UM. And it kind of takes the pressure

1006
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: off those radishes to where they can continue making a

1007
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: tuber and break up the compaction. UM. Then you look

1008
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: at the clovers and they're gonna provide great forage midway

1009
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: through the fall. Um they're not doing a whole lot

1010
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: during the winter, but then in the spring they take

1011
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: off like crazy and provide more forage than almost anything

1012
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: you could anything else you could plant at the same

1013
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: time FIXATIONE, fixating on a nitrogen. It's incredible and you

1014
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: think about, okay, that time span again, look at it

1015
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: from what what that acre food plot is going through.

1016
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: From planting in late summer, all late till spring termination

1017
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: um in in mid April. That is an incredible swing

1018
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: of temperatures. And there's typically, let's I think that was

1019
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: about fourteen species or so that we plant, and at

1020
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: any given time early middle to late um in that

1021
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: in that month's swing, there there's about four species that

1022
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: are just getting it all together, and so each one

1023
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: has its peak and you you can walk out in

1024
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: the food plot let's say four weeks after German Nation,

1025
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, those oats are cranking, the radishes,

1026
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: the terms were doing awesome. You come back in December

1027
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: and there's a whole another host of species. They're like, wow,

1028
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: they're really forging on this. And then come spring it's

1029
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: a whole another suite in that same plot, in that

1030
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: same mixture. That's like, this is incredible. This is why

1031
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: we do what we do, because you're working with mother nature.

1032
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: There's not a point that I mean, if you just

1033
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: planted oats the first couple, after the first couple of

1034
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: hard froth, you're pretty much toast and sit and idle

1035
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: till spring. Yeah, or weeds grow and your winter annuals

1036
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: start growing, and uh, I guess the analogy I would

1037
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: use is think of it like that. This is pretty lame.

1038
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: But the game red Rover Red Rover, where you all

1039
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: join hands and you're trying to keep the other team

1040
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: from once you do that with your diverse plantings, I

1041
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: should have used defensive linemen, shouldn't I. Um, everyone's judging here,

1042
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: oh man. So basically they're all supporting each other and

1043
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: providing they're all flourishing um to where you have something

1044
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: on the table to eat, something on the table to

1045
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: um to mind nutrients and prevent erosion from planting all

1046
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: the way until terming nation are all the way through

1047
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: the next summer. I mean, some of those those annual

1048
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: clovers will be green if you didn't terminate them, they'll

1049
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: be green all the way until almost July. Yeah, and

1050
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You know, it sounds super complicated and

1051
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: really complex, but the principle is super easy. Just understand

1052
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: how mother nature works and complement it in the way

1053
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: that you choose to manage your land, and you're gonna

1054
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: see incredible results by doing that. It's it's not like

1055
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: this is anything new. It's just you know, we we've

1056
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: looked at these principles and said, okay, how can we

1057
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: compliment that in our in our strategies of managing the land,

1058
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: And luckily we're seeing awesome results with it. And so

1059
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: we're clients. So it's it's fun to see, Okay, when

1060
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: I really study this stuff and and do let's say

1061
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: nerd out on biology, I'm I'm right there where I

1062
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: should be, and I know that the land is healthy

1063
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: because of the practices and the technique. It's in the

1064
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: way I'm choosing to manage it. I think that's very

1065
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: very easy to get caught up and just the methods

1066
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: instead of just understand the principles the baseline and making

1067
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: management decisions off of principles versus those methods. So so

1068
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I when I got into

1069
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: the food plotting world. I was definitely found a lot

1070
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: like the conventional wisdom out there. And one of the

1071
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: things that I was always worried about with diversity with

1072
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: blends was that if you mash a bunch of things together,

1073
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to properly. You're not gonna do things

1074
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: right for any one of them perfectly, so you will

1075
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: plant some stuff. If we're planning everything at the same time,

1076
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: that means nothing's planted just the right time. So I

1077
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: would think to myself, Okay, I would rather plant my

1078
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: brassicas at the perfect time to plant brassicas, and then

1079
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I want to plant my oats at the perfect time

1080
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: to plant oats, and so to do that, I would

1081
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: separate them out, so I plan. In my case, I

1082
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: tried to achieve a small degree of diversity by putting

1083
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: them in the same plot, but doing strips. So I

1084
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: do a strip of Braska strip oats to pro brassicas.

1085
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a way too too to

1086
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: get things going as optimally as possible. And you also

1087
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: hear the idea that if you plant blends, then you're

1088
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: going to be shading out certain things that should be

1089
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: getting sun, and then they're not going to be as

1090
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: beneficial as they could be. Back to conventional wisdom of

1091
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: why you know, industrial farmers plant monocultures, right, you get

1092
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: your most bang for your buck as far as the

1093
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: amount of production per acre. If it's all the one

1094
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: thing knocking out of the park and managing specifically for

1095
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: that for that one species, what is the argument against

1096
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: those concerns? Is there anything to worry about? You must

1097
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: have read the same article as me when I was fifteen.

1098
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: We we had that mindset to or I guess had

1099
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: read that where you don't mix cereal grains with braskas

1100
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: um and it was like, well, okay, that makes sense.

1101
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: One is try to take this nw trent and this

1102
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: one's trying to take it from from him, and they're

1103
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: just trying to steal it from each other. Um. And

1104
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: I think that comes down to the mindset of managing

1105
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: for a species and not managing for the land. Um.

1106
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: And think for us, if you plant it, if you

1107
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: went out and you planted a straight monoculture of and

1108
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: you stripped it out and you just tested and you said, okay,

1109
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: here's a straight test of purple top turnips. Here's a

1110
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: test of oats, here's a test wheat. Here's a test

1111
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: of annual clovers. You're gonna see gaps and every single

1112
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: one of those um plantings, the purple topped turnips, they

1113
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: may overbrowse it uh and so January hits and that

1114
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: may be just a mud strip um. The oats is

1115
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: going to be yellow by December and it's just gonna

1116
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: lay there yellow until the spring when winter annuals grow.

1117
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: But if you plant them, if you took all those

1118
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: and you mix them together, you'll see during those gaps

1119
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: when purple top terms maybe declining that another species in

1120
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: that mix, it's it's it's heyday and it's gonna shoot

1121
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: through and flourish. So for us, it's been years of

1122
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: testing those diverse blends and going there's really not a

1123
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: time where we're not providing something. But if we looked

1124
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: at the monocultures, there's a time where and it's usually

1125
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot bigger gap of not benefiting the wildlife than

1126
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: when it is benefiting the wildlife. And so that's where

1127
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: I think for us, it was like this is this

1128
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: is we need to look back at the way nature

1129
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: was designed and nowhere in nature if it's if it's

1130
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: actually acting the way nature was designed that there's not diversity.

1131
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, back to that the

1132
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: agricultural standpoint of planting them this way and whatever. You know,

1133
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: their management strategies are different from our management strategies of

1134
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: the food plot once it's planted, um and to they're

1135
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: looking at it from a harvest standpoint, whereas we're looking

1136
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: at it from Oh, they are going to be my

1137
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: on bine. I want them to be the ones. And

1138
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't ever hear them complain as to the fact

1139
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: I mixed plants together because their natural browsers. There's three

1140
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: plus species in their diet that they can eat, and

1141
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: we don't ever see, you know, in nature, just one

1142
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: of those in the field, and they're just selecting to

1143
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: go that field. Um there, Every every step through our

1144
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: managed timber, there's something that they can eat that's different

1145
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: from the last step because of the diversity. That's they're

1146
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: no different from the food plot. And just from a

1147
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: hunting strategy standpoint, right, I would want to thank or

1148
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: throw all my chips in at one species that is

1149
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna peak just during November. I hunt from September all

1150
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: the all the way to mid January here in Missouri.

1151
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: So why not make that food plot attractive from September

1152
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: all the way through January. So by mixing things all

1153
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: together and planting them, I can achieve that whereas a

1154
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: single species, I'm not achieving that or making that again,

1155
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: food plot acres be most attractive it can be and

1156
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: valuable to the property. It's kind of like economy of scale,

1157
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't you can you can plant at the

1158
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: same amount in the same amount of time all the

1159
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: species mixed in one as you can let's say, just wheat.

1160
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't take any more time, So why why not

1161
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: do that and make it more tract Going back to

1162
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: the comparison with agriculture, I think also market you've looked

1163
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: enough into regentative agriculture to see that the guys who

1164
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: are planting grain crops and using the regentative agriculture methods,

1165
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: they're still planting. Like, uh, one of our favorites to

1166
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: follows Gay Brown, and he plants corn, and then two

1167
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: or three days later he drills um over that planting

1168
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: to where he's got different species growing underneath that the corn,

1169
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: which are basically helping him fight weeds and still and

1170
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: fight erosion and really my nutrients and so I think

1171
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: the whole regentave agriculture and then this holistic mindset go

1172
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: hand in hand. It just depends on whether you're in

1173
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: the wildlife field or agricultural field. Yeah, it makes It

1174
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. And I am I am

1175
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: taking the leap this year as I mentioned, so I'm

1176
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: not only just gonna try no till, but also going

1177
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: to go full diversity. Gonna be slinging all sorts of

1178
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: seed out there and seeing how it goes. So you

1179
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: have me convinced, um, you can you can join our

1180
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: red rob oh I mean defensive line team if you

1181
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: want perfect um. So, so sort of along these lines still, UM,

1182
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: as we're as we're talking about ways to work hand

1183
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: in hand with nature, as we're talking about ways to

1184
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: try to um, you know, take a look at ways

1185
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: to depart a little bit from the conventional agricultural world.

1186
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: Is the whole top think of herbicide. You guys have

1187
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: mentioned using herbicide through some of your management tasks as

1188
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: we've talked today. But I also know from some previous

1189
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: chats and stuff with Adam and reading and hearing some

1190
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: other things that you do have some concerns or some

1191
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: thoughts around how we use herbicides and what kind of

1192
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: impacts that may or may not have. Can can one

1193
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: of you just kind of give me the the Landing

1194
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: Legacy perspective on herbicide use and then what that means

1195
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: to how you use it. Yeah, well we can send

1196
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: them back to your your article too and say if

1197
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: you want to hear more, there we go. That's kind

1198
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: of our mindset is always tried to, as we said,

1199
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: replicate nature and do what nature design. And obviously herbicides

1200
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: aren't something that was happy presettlement, but at the same time,

1201
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,479
Speaker 1: neither were invasive species or non natives. So that's where

1202
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: we really come into using the herbicides. Like old field

1203
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: management requires herbicide. You if you have a turf grass

1204
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: it's non native. Tillage is not going to kill it.

1205
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: Heavy mowage is not going mowing is not going to

1206
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: kill it. Herbside, a one time application can kill it.

1207
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: I guess our biggest concern um with her besides is

1208
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: the and and we're not I mean, I'd hate to

1209
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: say that we're jumping up and down saying ban all herbside,

1210
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: but we definitely want to think about our our use

1211
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,839
Speaker 1: of it and try to limit it as much as possible,

1212
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: not because I guess we're we're concerned and Matt and

1213
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: I go out of spray and has Matt suits, But

1214
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: more of it just doesn't. It's just not a natural thing.

1215
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: We can find other ways to to replicate nature and

1216
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: still reach our goals, But when it comes to food

1217
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: plot usage, our food plots and herbicide, I guess our

1218
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: biggest fear and concerned where we always get is the

1219
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: idea of spraining herbicide or chemical on a plant that

1220
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: then that you spray it in the day and then

1221
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: a group of deer moving during the night and then

1222
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: they eat that forage that you've coated in a herbicide,

1223
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: and then you turn around and and go and kill

1224
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: them in a few months, and raises some concerns for

1225
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: us on I think there's not enough known about it

1226
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, your knee, and so because of that

1227
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: unknown side of it, we're just going to limit it

1228
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Yeah, there's there's definitely instances where

1229
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: that's the best practice and you're gonna spend your rules

1230
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: trying to do anything else. And when we apply it,

1231
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: we try and find the scenarios where it's a one

1232
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: time application. You're done and you walk away, and then

1233
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: you choose to use other techniques like prescribed fire then

1234
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: to manage that site like old fields or let's say

1235
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: you have a wood lot that's just overgrown with bush honeysuckle.

1236
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: You go in do a cut stump treatment and you're

1237
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: simply applying an herbicide to the ump itself. It's not

1238
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: just this massive um broad spectrum just slinging her beside everywhere.

1239
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: It's very specific and that's okay. And then again you're

1240
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: gonna follow up that that wood lot management with prescribed

1241
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: fire and keep everything else at bay. So that's the

1242
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: way we prefer to utilize it um and not just

1243
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: go overboard and know why you're doing it how a

1244
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: direct reason um and limited. It's it's uh, it's usage.

1245
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: I mean like like clover plots, how many how many

1246
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: people are utilizing like a two four D b or

1247
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: or a clepodym um And it's like go in and

1248
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: you could you could simply just spot spray those areas

1249
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: you're orm and you're coverage you know, with a broad

1250
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,879
Speaker 1: spectrum you're covering a lot of the food plot anyhow,

1251
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: just just going and spot treat those areas and and

1252
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: just target those clumps of grasses um or those clumps

1253
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: of broadly in the clover instead of covering the entire acre.

1254
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: Do you might you might limit it down tore feet

1255
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: of herbside versus entire acre. Just your simple things like that.

1256
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: It goes a long way. So what if someone's listening

1257
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: and they for whatever reason, if if it's some of

1258
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: the things you've discussed, or they have other apprehensions around

1259
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: herbicide you use. And there's a lot of people that

1260
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: want to really go organic with the stuff they eat,

1261
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: and so they're thinking, Okay, if I want to be

1262
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: really focused on organic produce at the same time, be

1263
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: great if the food plots I'm putting out there for

1264
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 1: the deer that I hope to eat our quote unquote

1265
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: organic as well. There's there's folks that really want to

1266
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: prioritize that kind of thing. If we want to do

1267
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: an herbicide free food plot, which I know you guys

1268
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: have been experimenting with, um, how would someone go about

1269
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: adjusting the food plot regiment you've discussed. How do you

1270
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: adjust that to become a food or an herbicide free

1271
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: food plot quote apply herbside. I don't mean that's like

1272
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: at the at the joke, but but truthfully, in this

1273
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: year's experiment, it was, okay, here's a fall planting. It's

1274
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: now mid May, it's a found two ft tall, and

1275
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: and and that fall planting is all annual based, So

1276
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: we're just gonna set the drill in it and drive

1277
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: and plant the whole thing. And these annuals are all

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: going to mature, and that's going to kind of dry up,

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: trivel up, and then the food plot itself is going

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01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: to grow up amongst all of this vegetation. So instead

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01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 1: of utilizing that thatch and laying it on the ground,

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: you're simply letting it stay standing, and then your food

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01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: plot and the spring grows up amongst it, and you

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: haven't applied in your herbside. I think in simple terms,

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01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: what you really I guess best advice for trying to

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: do an organic food plot with the diversity UM and

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: then also a plant or plants growing year round UM.

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: Any time you leave bare ground or you leave an

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: area where you haven't put a plant to grow, whether

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: it be a cool season or warm season, nature will

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: put something there and so and it could be a

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01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: noxious weet. So if you're putting a species down, so

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: in the fall, you plant something. In the spring, you

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: plant something to where you keep that soil covered, you

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: keep something growing year round, but you pick that's going

1296
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: to be your best way of avoiding having to add

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: her beside to kill noxious wheat. Yeah, that makes that

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: makes sense. So we're doing all these things. Let's say

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: we we've prioritized diversity. We are trying to find ways

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01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: to minimize our herbicide use or at least be thoughtful

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: about how we're doing that. Um, we're making sure to

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01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: take advantage of natural systems to to get the best

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: out of the soil, to get the best out of

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: the native landscape. Now we're getting into let's say this

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: time period August hunting season is a month or two

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: months away. Um, what are some of the other things

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01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: that folks can be doing And let's stay focused on

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,839
Speaker 1: the food plat side of things for a moment. Here,

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01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: are there any other things that we could be doing

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: to enhance our process? Um, Like, for example, I know

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: one thing you guys talk about is feathering edges. Can

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: you talk about that or anything else that we can

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: be doing to take things to the next level. I think,

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure. There's so one thing that we

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: see a lot, and especially in crop country, is the

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: dedication to a grain uh saying Okay, this field is

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01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: going to be standing corn or standing beans during the

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: late season, it's gonna be money. Well, that most likely

1319
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: will be. There's a reason guys are planting those. But

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01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: at the same time, as soon as season's over, you

1321
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: have high gar density. At some point, all that food

1322
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,839
Speaker 1: is going to be consumed and you're gonna have stubble

1323
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: or you're gonna mow it down, and it's just gonna

1324
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: be laying there vacant and opening up the window for

1325
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 1: needs to grow, especially noxious weeds. So adding species cover

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01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: crops to those standing grand fields or standing bean fields,

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: food plots, whatever it is to get to get something

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: growing there. Um. At the same time, if you do

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: have a mild winter, you've got a very very productive

1330
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: um food plot in case they're not eating the standing grain. UM.

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think the misconception is planting season is late

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01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: April early May or depending on your area. For our

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: area in Midwest, that's that's what it is. You say,

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: late April early May, that's spring planting and August or

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: early September is your fault planting. But their species like

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: cereal ryan wheat, that you can plant them up until

1337
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: it's four it's forty degrees um soil soil temperature, and

1338
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: so you could wait until those leaves fall off the

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: soybeans and then broadcast your cereal Ryan there and if

1340
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: you get the appropriate amount of rain, you're gonna have

1341
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: a great cover crop. Um. So if you do have

1342
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: a mild winterer, deer are still coming to that area.

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: That thing um. Another big thing we recommend is adding

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: diversity to clover plots um and and so I think

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times we plant clover plots and we

1346
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: may add wheat as a as a companion or a

1347
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: nurse crop in the first year, but year four five

1348
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: we really start fighting weeds. And a big the big

1349
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: reason for that is because you plan to the legum,

1350
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: which is fixating niagen every growing season is putting nirogen out.

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01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: Over time, nature is replacing that trying to get something

1352
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: to equal that soil out and use that nitrogen. So

1353
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: adding taking it upon ourselves to say, I want to

1354
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: pick what's gonna grow in my clover plot. Add that wheat,

1355
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: add those turn ups or add that chickory to your

1356
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: clover plots or alph alfa um to where you have

1357
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: a speed these that's tapping into that nitrogen source and flourishing,

1358
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: and now you're providing more forage and not letting nature

1359
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: throw a noxious lead out there for you. You can

1360
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: do the same thing in the spring, but since we're

1361
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: focusing on the fall, that would be my two biggest

1362
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 1: points for for this this fall planting season is adding

1363
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: diversity to your grain fields through just broadcasting, and then

1364
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: also adding diversity to your clover plots. And like you said, there, Mark,

1365
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: you know you can go in right now, chainsaw and

1366
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: feather the edge of some of these food plots and

1367
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: really begin to steer some deer closer to the stand.

1368
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: Maybe they're coming out between you, let's say thirty and

1369
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: fifty yards away from your story or maybe your observations

1370
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: from last year from the stand. You saw that and

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: you want you want them all to come out at

1372
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,520
Speaker 1: thirty yards. Well, feather the edge, lay some trees parallel

1373
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: to the edge of the field and kind of create

1374
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: a living fence, a border, um something that's going to

1375
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: push them closer to the stand and just increase your

1376
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: odds of having deer come within boat range. But you

1377
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: can do that around lots of food plots and really, um,

1378
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: really increase your odds. And that can be done. July,

1379
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: it can be done. August can be done the first

1380
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: of September. Um. You know, trees fall down, branches fall tops,

1381
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: come out of trees. I'll it's not like it's this

1382
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: massive disturbance that of deer. Just stop and never enter

1383
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: or turnaround and never come back even close to deer season.

1384
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: You know, cut it down, walk away and then let

1385
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: let the deer kind of swing in closer to your boat.

1386
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: Stands simple, Yeah, And lots of times just those little

1387
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: things though that are relatively simple, that can make all

1388
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: the difference. Right. It's being thoughtful about every little piece

1389
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: you can put in the puzzle in place, which is

1390
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: why I geek out about this stuff so much myself. Yeah.

1391
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: I think a big part of our learning and what

1392
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: we share today is learning from our own mistakes. And

1393
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: for years we focused on maximizing food plots and trying

1394
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: to create food plots, and then it was like we

1395
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: had the best looking food plot in the world, but

1396
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: they still come out on the other end. And I can't.

1397
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: I can't shoot them. And so adding betting areas or

1398
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: a little clear cuts betting thickets and then edge feathering

1399
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: is like, well, this is almost too easy to create

1400
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: and steer dear where we want them. So so with

1401
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: all this in mind, and maybe you've already maybe you've

1402
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: already given me your answer, but if you were to

1403
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: have to point your finger at the conventional wisdom out there,

1404
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: whatever it might be that most frustrates you, or that

1405
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: you wish you could just like snap your fingers or

1406
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: wave your magic wand um, and it would change. What's

1407
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: that one thing for each of you that you wish

1408
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: you could could just snap people out of it right now?

1409
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: And it could be something we already talked about. You

1410
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: can reiterate it if you want it, or something new.

1411
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That is such a good question, and I'm

1412
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: all scared to answer. You're gonna be good. Uh, it's

1413
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: really man, that's really hard. I was not expecting that question.

1414
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: But there's I almost this might make you mad, but

1415
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a I just don't want

1416
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: the prioritizing the little things. Um. And I know that's

1417
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: a blanket statement, but I'll give you an example, I see,

1418
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: let's take food plots for example, and I love food plots,

1419
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: I'll say that forever, but food plots most guys, I

1420
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: want everybody listening to think about how many acres your

1421
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: overall farm is, and then how many acres is the

1422
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: food plot, and then think about how much time you

1423
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: spend Whenever you look at a full year twelve months

1424
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: and you say, how much time did I spend here here, here,

1425
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: here here? Overall in our experience, we see more time

1426
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: spent on food plots and around food plots, and it's

1427
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 1: still is less than five percent of the overall ratio

1428
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: of land. And I think seeing people prioritize on my

1429
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: newt tiniest of things, but putting all their eggs in

1430
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: that basket, to me, it's just like Michael Jordan goes

1431
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: out and he spends all practice, all the entire practice,

1432
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: shooting fadeaways in the corners, buzzer beaters. That was a

1433
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: very small part of his game, but he's focuses his

1434
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: entire time working on that shot. It's the same thing

1435
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: we see with managing the landscape of I'm going to

1436
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: focus on food plots, trail cameras and and right around

1437
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: my food plots one of my just the biggest thing

1438
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: that that's kind of just irks me, I guess and

1439
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: I'll say yes, agree to Adams, of course, because we

1440
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: see things very similarly and and and for me, it

1441
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: is timber management or the lack thereof. So not focusing

1442
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: on the fact that your property is dominated by timber

1443
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: and you sit back and don't do anything. And we

1444
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: go to properties all the time all across the country

1445
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: that are unmanaged. There's um incredible brows lines through the

1446
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: timber um, there's invasive species coming in the timber, and

1447
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people are very fearful for cutting or

1448
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: harvesting timber. And I can understand stand that, but at

1449
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 1: the same time, don't don't tell me that you want

1450
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 1: to make improvements to your farm and then not address

1451
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: the largest portion of your farm. There's there's ways to

1452
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: educate yourself on timber management um, and there's ways to

1453
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: get things done in timber that doesn't require a timber

1454
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: harvest um. You know, aesthetics oftentimes play a big role

1455
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: into that. And again we kind of have to go

1456
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: back and say, what are you what are your goals

1457
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: for this property? And aesthetics usually isn't the top end.

1458
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: It's I want to kill bigger, better, more dear, and

1459
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: so to achieve that, though, we have to address of

1460
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: your property that's timber and increasing because most times close

1461
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: candy force isound digestible forage a year that deal were consumed,

1462
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: and why not increase that and make some of the

1463
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: young forest and now you're producing thousand pounds of digestible

1464
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: forage and it's better cover. It makes no sense to me,

1465
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: but oftentimes it's like the forgotten aspect of management is

1466
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: timber management. Yeah, and I'll add to that by making

1467
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: a little plug if you're wanting to learn more about

1468
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: that topic. We did a whole episode with a couple

1469
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: of guys from q DM a about for stree for

1470
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: deer hunters, and there's some really interesting in the weeds

1471
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: type content that we dive into on that side of

1472
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: things when it comes to timber stand management um that

1473
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: we don't have time to get into today, but highly

1474
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: recommend checking that out too. And since we do need

1475
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: to wrap it up and on this kind of line

1476
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: of thinking with resources, if you guys could leave our

1477
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: listeners with one recommended resource each for if people are

1478
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: listening to this and are just intrigued to learn more

1479
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: about any of these topics or want to learn more

1480
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: about these ideas, or how you've been inspired to think

1481
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: about habitat management in this more holistic way, in this

1482
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: more regenerative, in sync in line with nature kind of way.

1483
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Are there any things that inspired you or that you

1484
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: would recommend other people look to to learn more um

1485
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: that might be helpful for folks. I always enjoy, I

1486
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: guess on trying to understand the natural landscape. It always

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Speaker 1: kind of goes back to that presettlement, pre European settlement,

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Speaker 1: and so I really enjoy And unfortunately there's not just one,

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Speaker 1: but for me and I know you like books to market.

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Speaker 1: It's fortunately because you can read journals of explorers all

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Speaker 1: across the country, and that has been a huge part

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Speaker 1: of what Matt and I study and research and look

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Speaker 1: at because if you if you even read one of them,

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Speaker 1: chances are you're gonna understand that what they saw is

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Speaker 1: not what we see today. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: they see everything from tons of deer, elk bison, to

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Speaker 1: prairie chickens or grouse um. And you just automatically just

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Speaker 1: reading one of those journals will say, man, that was

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Speaker 1: a much more productive landscape and things have changed, and

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Speaker 1: so for us it's always been how do we get

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Speaker 1: that back? And my favorite will always be the Lewis

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Speaker 1: and Clark journals, um, just because of the details. And

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Speaker 1: then then the vast area that they covered and if

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Speaker 1: you listen to their or read their journals, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see that the landscape was full of shrubs, grasses, and

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Speaker 1: tons of animals and um, it definitely is like we

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Speaker 1: need to really look at our landscape because there was

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Speaker 1: way more animals than what we had today, and yet

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Speaker 1: there wasn't food plots or hinge cuts or edge feathering.

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Speaker 1: Thereon was prescribed fire and grazing, and so that's a

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Speaker 1: big part of what we look at. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have a kind of a unique answer here, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna hopefully challenge the listeners. And there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of great resources out there for this type of thinking,

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Speaker 1: specifically the hunting outdoor world. So I want to put

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Speaker 1: the pressure on everyone listening saying everyone goes to um,

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01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: let's say your property. Every couple of weekends, we go

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Speaker 1: to public ground and you spend a lot of time

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Speaker 1: in the tree during the fall. And I guess my

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01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: charge is you'd be your own person to think critically

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Speaker 1: about your observations that you're seeing. Don't just sit in

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Speaker 1: the stand and look on your phone and play on

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01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: your phone. Look and see what's happening and occurring around you,

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01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: and and hopefully that's going to allow you to better

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Speaker 1: understand how let's say a food chain works. Let's say, how, um,

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Speaker 1: you know a timber a timber stand is going to

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01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: progress over time. Maybe you planted an area for a

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01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: long time, or how go check out and see if

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01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: if the state or or the force your service, has

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01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: done some prescribed fire in an area. Go out there,

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01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: make observations and be critical um of those observations. Don't

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Speaker 1: just take it in and keep driving or go back

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: to playing on your phone. Really look around you as

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01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: to what's happening. There's tons and tons of clues and

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Speaker 1: things that you can see just in the natural world

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Speaker 1: that I think after hearing this and hopefully adopting and

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Speaker 1: changing a little bit of a mindset, that a lot

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Speaker 1: of things will begin to click for people. So of course,

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01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: go and read, um hopefully listen to you know this

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01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: podcast and others and begin to just honestly adopt a

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,560
Speaker 1: mindset and then I think your eyes are going to

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01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: be able to see things differently and you understand how

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01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: the natural world works better if you go into let's say,

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01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: the next time you're in the woods, with a little

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01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: bit different of a mindset and try and do things differently. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a great suggestion. And if people want

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01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: to find more resources from you guys, which I know

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01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot you guys are producing a lot of

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01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: great content, where would you recommend folks go to connect

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01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: with you to to learn more from you too? Specifically?

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01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Of course, we do too podcasts a

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01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: week over on Sportsman's Nation, and that's just laying the legacy.

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01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: If they search us on iTunes, they'll find us. We're

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: also starting to put out more videos. Um, they're not

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01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: shoot I'm the one producing them, so they're not highly produced,

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Speaker 1: they're not cinematic, but they have the information and tidbits

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Speaker 1: that we talked about on the podcast, and we have

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Speaker 1: some upland consultants as well, and so we're all the

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01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: time dropping new videos to show people exactly what it

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Speaker 1: is we're talking about. Um, So it just searched land

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Speaker 1: of Legacy there and then you're consulting business, they can

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Speaker 1: find your website just through Google Search. Yeah yeah, land

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: A Legacy dot tv and uh we should be there

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01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: and and or they can just shoot us a message

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01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: on social media land A Legacy either Instagram or Facebook

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Speaker 1: or email at info at landing Legacy dot tv. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: Lots of wayte compact us and we're happy to help anybody. Awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys helping us out here today sharing

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Speaker 1: a lot of helpful information. Um. Like I said, I've

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Speaker 1: enjoyed consuming a lot of your content and getting a

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01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: chat with you guys now just reiterates um, what I've

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Speaker 1: found to be true, which is that you guys are

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01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: are doing a great service bringing a slightly different perspective

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Speaker 1: to people to the table. And I think it's an

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Speaker 1: important one and I think a lot of us will

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Speaker 1: benefit from it moving forward. So thank you for that,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to your time, and uh we should chat again soon. Absolutely,

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01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Thanks. Mark really appreciate it and

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. So thank you for listening. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: you were inspired to look at your habits had management projects.

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01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Maybe in the new light now, maybe try some new things,

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01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: maybe go against the grain just a little bit and

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01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: try one of these new ideas. I certainly will, and

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01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: if you do, to let me know. I'm really curious

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Speaker 1: to hear how your new management efforts go this year.

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Speaker 1: So thank you all for listening. Appreciate you being a

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Speaker 1: part of this and until next time, stay wired time