WEBVTT - The Athlete Whisperer: Ep.4, She is a Perfect Actor 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:03.920 Previously on Queen of the Cohn. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:05.560 It is what it is. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.320 It's not nothing you could take back. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.800 Peggy Fulford scams millions of dollars from pro athletes like 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:13.920 Dennis Rodman and Travis Best. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.800 You know, Travis, you're sending the fucking pacers and US 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:19.400 movies and stuff. Yeah. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.200 So, and when Travis found out, he didn't tell anyone 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:27.720 either because it's embarrassing. NBA shooting guard Rashad mccantz is 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.320 actually kind of lucky by comparison. He only loses two 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.960 hundred thousand dollars to Peggy. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.239 It was my first Riki check, my first Ricky check. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.640 I got a call from my agent and saying Peggy 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:40.360 got us. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:41.160 All. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.240 This goes down in the early two thousands and there's 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.480 a lot of overlap. Peggy is actually scamming multiple pro 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.199 athletes at the same time, and it turns out the 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.640 biggest victim of all is Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.360 How much total did Peggy take from Ricky? 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.920 I think they said about six million. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:04.840 Do you think it was really more? 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.000 I think that it was definitely more. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.800 I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the con 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:33.240 The athlete Whisperer episode four, She's a perfect actor. Rickey 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.959 the deep bat first and goal of the two yard line. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.000 In the early two thousands, NFL running back Ricky Williams 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.080 is a bona fide superstar. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:47.520 Hey John dropping Hi popping kind of run by Ricky. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:53.480 Williams making touchdown after touchdown after touchdown for the Miami Dolphins. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.560 It is Williams slips away from one touchdown. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:02.880 Great spinball for Ricky william at the end song. But 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.040 in nineteen ninety nine, before he makes it to Miami, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.400 Ricky's playing for the New Orleans Saints. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.240 And I think everyone remembers Ricky Williams as a Heisman. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.040 Winner, Guardian journalist and author of the book Family, Gangsters 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.399 and Champions Ramon Antonio Vargas. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.360 Ricky Williams was kind of the face of a very 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.760 dark time in New Orleans sports history, just given how 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.200 he came to kind of epitomize, like you know, the 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.560 Saints gave up a lot to acquire him, and then 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.720 under the Mike Didka era, which set all kinds of 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.440 records of utility for the franchise. I also remember and 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:44.040 recognize how important of a role he played on the 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.079 Saints team that won the franchise's first ever playoff game, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.800 which did not happen until the two thousand season. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.880 And it's while Ricky is living in New Orleans from 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.400 nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and one that he 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.360 buys a flashy new condo with his multi million dollar 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.720 paycheck from the NFL. When MTV Cribs suddenly wants to 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.400 shoot a segment about his new. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.760 Digs and he needed to furnish the whole place and 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:11.639 everything like that. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.160 Ricky's lifelong friend Chantel Cohen, and so. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.160 A cousin of Peggy's worked in. I don't know if 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.880 she was an interior designer or worked at the actual 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.840 furniture store, but she came over, she helped out, she 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.560 furnished the place, and brought Peggy in to helper. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.000 So it turns out this interior designer, a woman named Pamela, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.480 isn't actually a cousin of Peggy's at all, despite whatever 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.280 story might have been told at the time. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.760 My name is Pamela Carry and I am a longtime 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.760 friend of Peggy barad King or Fulford. Not sure what 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.240 name she's going by now, but her maiden name was Barrod. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.520 We are longtime friends. Our parents were friends, so I've 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:04.880 known her for a long time. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.840 So Pamela is the woman Ricky Williams hires to decorate 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.720 his condo for MTV Cribs, and Peggy is a childhood 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.600 friend of Pamela's. But Pamela and Ricky already have a 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.080 previous working relationship. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.039 I helped him with his house prior to the condo, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.440 I'd already did his entire house, and we were really close. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.880 But what Pamela doesn't know is that Peggy had moved 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.520 back to New Orleans from Atlanta after divorcing doctor Forest 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.400 King and taking full control of the sports management company 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.760 he founded, King Management, and Travis Best, the point guard 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:47.080 for the Indiana Pacers, is her only client. So Peggy 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.800 is desperately looking for more professional athletes to get her 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.880 hooks in. And the second she hears her childhood friend 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.560 Pamela Carey got hired to decorate a new condo for 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.160 NFL running back Ricky william She. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:06.320 Just showed up and she made herself available. She said, oh, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.920 you need sheets, you need this, and she initially purchased 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.200 some things for him. She made her way into his 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.800 life and at the time, I didn't think anything of it, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.479 but I now realized that she was scouting him. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.200 Oh yeah, she was scouting him, all right. And Pamela Carey, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.240 who Ricky and Chantell called Pam, was Peggy's only way in. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.360 And do you blame Pam for bringing Peggy into both 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:36.760 your lives? 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.239 I never blame anybody for someone else's the way. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.000 That they act. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.640 Chantelle Cohen Again. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:48.280 I seriously don't think that Pam knew the depth of 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.520 what Peggy was doing, so I wouldn't put any blame 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:52.279 on Pam at all. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.680 Pam was going to help Ricky decorate, and then she drafted. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.240 Peggy took over. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.440 What was her taste? Like what kind of stuff did 0:05:59.480 --> 0:05:59.800 she get? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.120 I mean, like I want to say, like a modern 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.200 fancy I don't even know the word to use for 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:12.360 that mix, but like super modern rich paintings, like one 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.520 of his Blue Dog paintings. That is a big painting 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.560 in New Orleans two hundred and fifty kight, like come on, yes, exactly. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.440 And every time I would look at that, I'm like, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.320 that is a quarter of a million dollars sitting on 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:25.320 this wall right now. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.160 So she got Ricky to buy a painting for two 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.080 hundred and threty thousand dollars. Oh my god. Yes, my 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:31.360 dream is to have that kind of money. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.000 I know me too. I don't know. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.400 I'm trying to buy like a plane or something. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:37.960 I don't know. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.119 I need something that I could use over and over again. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.560 So she had expensive taste, very expensive taste. I wouldn't 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.919 even know where to get a two hundred in the 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:51.960 first quarter. So she decked out Ricky's plus jecked it out. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.880 And when MTV Cribs came and shot, they were impressed. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:01.000 Yes, very much so. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:03.080 So he must have felt grateful. She comes in, decorates, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.119 she's doing this for free. She's not asking for money. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.320 No, she didn't do it for money, because that was 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.479 her thing, like you need to save your money for 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.040 generational wealth, blah blah blah blah. So no, she didn't 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.720 get paid for that, now that I think about it, Yeah. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.880 She seems like what the FBI calls a rescue merchant. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.360 Ricky was in a bind. Yeah, this place decorated. She 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.320 comes on the scene. I'll do it. She's got the 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.400 style and glamour, and she knows what a buy two 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.560 hundred and fifty thousand dollars paintings and yeah, make the 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.040 place look like a baller lives there. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:32.760 You know for sure. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.520 And that's what she wanted people to know, Like, you 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.840 are Ricky Williams, you have to live like this high 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.720 profile person. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.680 And Ricky is so opposite. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.960 He doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about what 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.360 people think about him, like he's just living his own life. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.320 So it's like she was trying to make him bigger 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.240 than what he wanted to be. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.360 Basically, because you're Ricky Williams. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.840 He traded a whole draft for you, you know, so she 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.320 was just trying to make him live up to that. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.440 But if you look at all of the people that 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.520 she actually took money from, they all were in some 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.560 type of buying are just like really to theirselves, not 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.200 like needed some type of nurturer basically, you know. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.760 And she needed a mother taking care and a mom and. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.679 She just came in and she was the perfect person 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.600 to do something like that. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.400 And the thing about Peggy is she's a lot like 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.000 my con artist from season one, the Irish heiress who 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.600 lied in wait for years to rob me. You've been 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.960 scamming as out of money. This whole time you have. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.679 Peggy is incredibly patient and literally puts in years of 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.280 work and tells years of lies before she ever scams 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.600 a single dollar from Ricky Williams. It's obvious now she 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.440 was grooming him. Walk me through how you and Ricky 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.959 go from. Peggy comes on the scene, decorates his place. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.840 He's grateful, she takes you all out. You guys become friends. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.560 How do you go from that? Suddenly she's managing his money? 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:03.559 How'd that happen? 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.320 It was such a long period of time from the 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.320 time that we met Peggy to when she actually started 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.920 working for Ricky, because she didn't start working for Ricky 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.560 till like five years in. We were more of growing 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.199 as a family, getting close and things like that. I 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.920 would babysit her kids. She was one of the kids 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.440 got mothers like you know, So we were all like 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.679 a tight knit group that hung out dinners and things 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.160 like that. And then after he retired the first time, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.120 with the suspension and everything like that. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.800 Yeah, So Ricky Williams got into some trouble with his 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.600 use of marijuana when he played for the NFL again. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.600 Our top story, and Ricky Williams has lost his repeals 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.240 of the NFL and has subsequently been suspended from football 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.679 for one year for allegedly violating the league substance abuse policy. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.000 The decision came down and in two thousand and four, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.960 Ricky Williams, at just twenty seven years old, retires, actually 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.800 walks away from the NFL. He's sick of the marijuana controversy. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.600 He's sick of the brutal spotlight that comes with playing 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.200 professional football. Ricky Williams felt like he had no one 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.960 protecting him from all that, and that is the opening 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.640 Peggy needs to inject herself into his life and into 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:31.040 his bank account after the break, Welcome back to Queen 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.160 of the Cohn. In two thousand and four, NFL running 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.200 back Ricky Williams retires from professional football, but a year later, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.160 in two thousand and five, he changes his mind and 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:48.439 goes back to playing for the Miami Dolphins. At this point, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.400 four years have gone by since Ricky first meets Peggy, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.320 and they've become really close. He knows she manages the 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.600 finances for other professional athletes like Indiana Pacers point guard 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.920 Travis Best, and now Peggy starts earnestly making the case 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.760 to Ricky Williams for why she's the one who should 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.680 be managing him finances and all that. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.560 Is when she got in his ear of if you 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.840 would have let me manage you back then we wouldn't 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.920 be in this and blah blah blah. And then that's 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.320 how she ended up working for Ricky. So it was 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.040 like five years out there we originally met her. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.079 There's something so Shakespearean about it, like othello, like she's 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:30.600 the Iago, like whispering in. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.880 His ear that play in London two weeks ago. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.480 Oh my god, how they do it. It's amazing, right, yes, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.240 such a great story, but it's so based on I 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.800 see those situations again and again where you have this 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.560 evil mffort who pretends to be nice and loved by everyone, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.959 whispering shit in Ricky Williams here like if you don't 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.839 let me manage it, this is wouldn't happened you blah 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.960 blah blah bla blah. So over the course of five years, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.480 at this point, Peggy convinces Ricky and Chantal she's a 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.640 Harvard grad who made millions of dollars on wall streets 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.560 and now she's just helping professional athletes manage their money 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.080 and more importantly, protect their money from all the nair duels, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.959 all the circling vultures who are lining up to trick 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.760 them out of it. So in two thousand and seven, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:21.600 Ricky Williams hires Peggy to run his finances and kind 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.120 of run his life. So, how much was Peggy's salary 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.880 for managing Ricky's money? No, she didn't want to sell. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.760 No, she didn't want a charger. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.960 You're my brother, you already are in money situations because 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.000 of football. I want you to have generational wealth. That 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.320 was her main thing that she used. Generational wealth. That 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.319 was her thing, that was her slogan, that was everything. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.800 So she didn't want to charge. She didn't charge these athletes. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.960 So she came off as a woman with so much 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.760 money on her own. Yeah, she's just almost like volunteering 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.320 to help, like you would volunteer to feed the homeless. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.439 You guys are my sons. I need to help you basically. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.360 Because to your knowledge, at that point, she had no children. Yeah, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.760 because everyone was her ex husband everyone. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.240 The first time she hold Ricky's first son, this is 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:10.760 my first time ever holding a. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.080 Baby, she said that, Yes, wow. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.360 Literally, this is my first time holding a baby. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.520 So Peggy just comes across as this uber, wealthy woman 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.640 with no kids of her own and so much love 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:28.040 to give. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.520 I just want to help the rich athletes. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.000 My buddy again, Evan Goldstein. Early on, she makes the 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.840 case that athletes are always getting scammed. Let me help 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:38.200 you grow. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.360 Oh my god, how ironic. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:40.440 Huh. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.640 On the face, it seems, oh, well, that's dumb. She's 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.280 not charging you. Who doesn't charge you? But by then 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.040 she's got their heartstrings. She's this loving, benevolent mother figure 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.160 with all this money. She's just doing this to help 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.280 you because you know, she wants to help athletes. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.440 Yeah, it's like you know those rich women that just 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.360 like you know, the the voluntarities, Yes, that like I 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.880 just do it because I don't need the money. I 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.800 just this is what keeps me busy, This is what 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.160 gives me. I like to help people gives her purpose. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.040 Yeah. Yeah, And we all yearn for a sense of purpose, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.760 and they misread it thinking this is her sense of purpose. Well, meanwhile, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.360 she's robbing them all blind. Yeah, and like so many 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.160 other con artists, Peggy really looks the part, and she 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.160 appeared to be rich. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.360 Yeah. When Peggy walks into a room, she takes over the. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.840 Whole energy Chantella Cohen again, like. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.880 Everybody turns to her. She knows how to work the room, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.400 she knows how to speak, she knows what you want 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:36.600 to hear at the end of the day. So it 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.880 was easy for her. Perfect example, we did a hurricane 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.360 foundation thing, a fundraiser. I think it was like Honduras 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.480 or somebody had a big hurricane back then, and we 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.880 raised all this money through athletes and things, and she 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.600 literally worked the whole room. Like she walked out of 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.360 there with more clients, even though she had people raising money, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.200 but she walked out with more people because she work 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:04.120 the room. It's like Ricky was the quiet one. You 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.840 just go in there and talk. I'll go in there 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.960 and be Ricky. You go in there and be Peggy. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.400 And so they had a dynamic duel. Everything was legit. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.920 Looking back, it's apparent to me now she's using Ricky 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.000 yeah to attract other people. Yeah, No, for sure, because 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.520 she's like, well, people think she's managing Ricky Williams many 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.440 she must be good. I want in on that, yep. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.160 And I had a moment where I actually worked for 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.920 her as a personal assistant. But It only lasted for 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.880 a month because I didn't get paid, so she didn't 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.520 pay you, she didn't pay me. I was really mad 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.680 about that. Me and another friend of ours, we both 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.320 worked at the same time, and we were just like, okay, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.960 I'm so confused, like we're in your big mansion and 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:44.480 we're not. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.240 Getting a paycheck. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.920 And I was like, this is not gonna work for me, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.680 you know, And she's like, no, no, I'll give you 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.400 a check. And I'm like, it's not gonna work for me. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.840 Like I rather us be friends than business partners. So 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.240 I just left it at that, and we were still 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.200 very cool after that. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.960 And that just speaks to how charmed and charismatic she 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.840 is that you can still be cool after that. Yeah, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.160 and how does she not pay? Like when paycheck time came. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760 There was no paycheck, it was no paycheck, and you 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.600 asked her, hey, where's our money? At to the point too, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.280 where my friend wrote her a letter like what's going on? 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:15.680 You know? 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.440 And how does she come on? 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.000 Remember how she responded, because obviously it wasn't too mean 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.560 because I still was her friend after that, so I 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.000 don't remember how she responded, but I just remember we 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.400 still talk about it that we never got paid by her. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.440 Wow. Yeah, that's so strange though, but it really speaks 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.400 to her power. Yeah, she's a manipulator. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:36.240 Yeah, definitely. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.640 So it's like she can wrong you and then still 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.840 be your friend. You'd still feel you don't hate her. Yeah, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.640 I mean that's the ultimate power of any professional con 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.920 artist working today. They can get you to love them 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.760 no matter what. And I've said up before, love is 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.160 the most powerful force there is in the universe. People 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.320 will kill for love, people will die for love, and 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.280 if a con artists can get you to love them, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.800 you'll overlook a lot. At no point did Ricky Williams 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.760 say the Travis Hey, is she doing a good job 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:10.080 for you? 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:10.760 No? 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.639 So how much control did Ricky Williams give Peggy of 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:16.600 his finances? 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:17.520 All the control? 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.520 She basically said that she wanted to put him on 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.240 a monthly allowance because Ricky would like to spend money 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.160 on random things computer stuff. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:29.760 Camera stuff. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.840 At that time, he was in photography, so he would 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.320 just spend thousands of dollars and gadgets and things like that. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.439 So she kept saying, I need to put you on 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.560 a monthly allowance, and so he basically signed over everything 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.679 to her to where she was able to get his 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.679 play in check, put it in the bank account, and 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.720 then disperse his allowance and then pay for all the bills, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.960 child support, blah blah blah, all things like that. So 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.600 he gave her a lot of control, basically all the control. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.639 Again, coming back to the mother thing, she put him 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.720 on an allowance like something your parents do. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.880 Yeah, right, yeah. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.840 And do you know, I mean you grew up with Ricky. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.040 Is he close to his mother? Was he needing a 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.919 mother type of relationship? 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:12.399 They were back and forth? 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.320 They're awesome today, but yes, back then they were back 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.480 and forth. So I could see why he fell into 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.480 something like that as a mother person. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.520 But yeah, yeah, because there's like a hole at that point, yes, 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.639 where he needed some kind of mother figure. Yeah, or 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.040 he didn't have a mother figure. Yeah, so when one appears, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:29.920 it's like slips right in. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.160 Yeah it fits. Yeah. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.400 And Ricky Williams's wife Kristen is also taken in by 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.639 Peggy's kind and loving scammy smoke screen. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:45.639 Peggy had endeared herself to Ricky in a motherly sort 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.800 of way. Peggy was just so part of our family 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.359 and ingrained in our lives. When I had our first child, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.119 she even brought me home from the hospital. She just 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.199 makes you feel like you're the only thing in the 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.720 world that matters. She infiltrated my life. She became my 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.199 best friend. In her exact words, I was the sister 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.680 that she never had. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.720 Ricky's wife, Kristen, is also good friends with Ricky's childhood 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.800 friend Shan tel Cohen at first, but then all of 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.200 a sudden, a palpable animosity develops. 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.760 So when Ricky got dropped it to New Orleans, he 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:33.480 happened to get heard, and so I came to visit 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.160 him and ended up living with him throughout his whole career. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.879 So when Ricky got traded, we were all like, Okay, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.080 you're gonna go to Miami. We'll stay here in New Orleans. Well, 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.920 Peggy originally said, Kristy didn't even want me to stay 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.719 in the house anymore. It was a house, and then 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.440 there was a guest house in the back that I 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.000 slept in. So I had like my mini apartment back there. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.240 You know, kitchen, everything was in there. Leg I was 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.320 set in the back, didn't need to come in the 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.040 house like it was whatever. And she kept saying to me, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.879 Kristen doesn't even want you to still here. I'm like, what, like, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.600 how does that even work? She doesn't even pay the 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.399 rent here, like this is not her house, you know. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.119 So it was that and then that was. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.639 That was so far from the truth, Christen said. And 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:19.160 then when Kristin ended up moving to Miami, Peggy said, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.000 Kristen doesn't even want you to move to Miami. She 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.119 doesn't even want you in their lives anymore. I'm like, 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.480 what the hell did I do? And she just mad 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.880 at my friendship with Ricky and so she played off 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.679 of that like you're way too close to Ricky and 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.720 she's trying to be his wife, and you know, just 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.600 all this, Yes, it was all these things she would say, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.880 and then vice versas to Kristin, Oh, Chantau doesn't even 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.720 like you. She doesn't even think Ricky should be with you, Like, oh, yes. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.080 It was just so much drama. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.720 But there's no way Peggy can predict what's about to happen. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:21:02.440 After the break Welcome Back to Queen of the Cohn 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:07.800 Peggy successfully separates Chantel Cohen from Ricky Williams's wife, Kristen. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.960 Peggy said, Oh, Chantal doesn't even like you. She doesn't 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.160 even think Ricky should be with you, Like, oh yes, 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.040 it was just so much drama that she always created. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.440