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Speaker 2: It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's not nothing you could take back.

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Speaker 1: Peggy Fulford scams millions of dollars from pro athletes like

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Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman and Travis Best.

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Speaker 2: You know, Travis, you're sending the fucking pacers and US

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Speaker 2: movies and stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and when Travis found out, he didn't tell anyone

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Speaker 1: either because it's embarrassing. NBA shooting guard Rashad mccantz is

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Speaker 1: actually kind of lucky by comparison. He only loses two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to Peggy.

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Speaker 3: It was my first Riki check, my first Ricky check.

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Speaker 3: I got a call from my agent and saying Peggy

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Speaker 3: got us.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 1: This goes down in the early two thousands and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of overlap. Peggy is actually scamming multiple pro

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Speaker 1: athletes at the same time, and it turns out the

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Speaker 1: biggest victim of all is Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams.

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Speaker 1: How much total did Peggy take from Ricky?

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Speaker 3: I think they said about six million.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was really more?

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Speaker 3: I think that it was definitely more.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the con

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Speaker 1: The athlete Whisperer episode four, She's a perfect actor. Rickey

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Speaker 1: the deep bat first and goal of the two yard line.

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Speaker 1: In the early two thousands, NFL running back Ricky Williams

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Speaker 1: is a bona fide superstar.

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Speaker 5: Hey John dropping Hi popping kind of run by Ricky.

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Speaker 1: Williams making touchdown after touchdown after touchdown for the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: It is Williams slips away from one touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Great spinball for Ricky william at the end song. But

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, before he makes it to Miami,

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Speaker 1: Ricky's playing for the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 4: And I think everyone remembers Ricky Williams as a Heisman.

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Speaker 1: Winner, Guardian journalist and author of the book Family, Gangsters

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Speaker 4: Ricky Williams was kind of the face of a very

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Speaker 4: dark time in New Orleans sports history, just given how

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Speaker 4: Saints gave up a lot to acquire him, and then

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Speaker 4: under the Mike Didka era, which set all kinds of

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Speaker 4: recognize how important of a role he played on the

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Speaker 4: which did not happen until the two thousand season.

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Speaker 1: And it's while Ricky is living in New Orleans from

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and one that he

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Speaker 6: Digs and he needed to furnish the whole place and

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Speaker 6: everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Ricky's lifelong friend Chantel Cohen, and so.

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Speaker 6: A cousin of Peggy's worked in. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: she was an interior designer or worked at the actual

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Speaker 6: furniture store, but she came over, she helped out, she

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Speaker 1: So it turns out this interior designer, a woman named Pamela,

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Speaker 1: isn't actually a cousin of Peggy's at all, despite whatever

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Speaker 7: My name is Pamela Carry and I am a longtime

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Speaker 7: friend of Peggy barad King or Fulford. Not sure what

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Speaker 7: name she's going by now, but her maiden name was Barrod.

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Speaker 7: We are longtime friends. Our parents were friends, so I've

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Speaker 1: So Pamela is the woman Ricky Williams hires to decorate

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Speaker 1: his condo for MTV Cribs, and Peggy is a childhood

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Speaker 1: friend of Pamela's. But Pamela and Ricky already have a

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Speaker 7: I helped him with his house prior to the condo,

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Speaker 7: I'd already did his entire house, and we were really close.

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Speaker 1: But what Pamela doesn't know is that Peggy had moved

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Speaker 1: Pamela Carey got hired to decorate a new condo for

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Speaker 7: Just showed up and she made herself available. She said, oh,

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Speaker 7: but I now realized that she was scouting him.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was scouting him, all right. And Pamela Carey,

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Speaker 1: who Ricky and Chantell called Pam, was Peggy's only way in.

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Speaker 1: And do you blame Pam for bringing Peggy into both

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Speaker 6: I never blame anybody for someone else's the way.

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Speaker 3: That they act.

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Speaker 1: Chantelle Cohen Again.

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Speaker 6: I seriously don't think that Pam knew the depth of

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Speaker 1: Pam was going to help Ricky decorate, and then she drafted.

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Speaker 3: Peggy took over.

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Speaker 1: What was her taste? Like what kind of stuff did

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Speaker 6: I mean, like I want to say, like a modern

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Speaker 6: that mix, but like super modern rich paintings, like one

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Speaker 6: in New Orleans two hundred and fifty kight, like come on, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 6: And every time I would look at that, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: So she got Ricky to buy a painting for two

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Speaker 1: hundred and threty thousand dollars. Oh my god. Yes, my

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Speaker 3: I know me too. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to buy like a plane or something.

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Speaker 6: I need something that I could use over and over again.

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Speaker 6: So she had expensive taste, very expensive taste. I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: And when MTV Cribs came and shot, they were impressed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very much so.

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Speaker 1: So he must have felt grateful. She comes in, decorates,

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Speaker 1: she's doing this for free. She's not asking for money.

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Speaker 6: No, she didn't do it for money, because that was

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Speaker 6: generational wealth, blah blah blah blah. So no, she didn't

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Speaker 6: get paid for that, now that I think about it, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She seems like what the FBI calls a rescue merchant.

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Speaker 1: Ricky was in a bind. Yeah, this place decorated. She

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Speaker 3: You know for sure.

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Speaker 6: And that's what she wanted people to know, Like, you

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Speaker 3: And Ricky is so opposite.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about what

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Speaker 6: So it's like she was trying to make him bigger

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Speaker 3: Basically, because you're Ricky Williams.

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Speaker 6: He traded a whole draft for you, you know, so she

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Speaker 6: But if you look at all of the people that

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Speaker 6: like needed some type of nurturer basically, you know.

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Speaker 1: And she needed a mother taking care and a mom and.

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Speaker 3: She just came in and she was the perfect person

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Speaker 1: And the thing about Peggy is she's a lot like

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Speaker 1: my con artist from season one, the Irish heiress who

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Speaker 1: lied in wait for years to rob me. You've been

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Speaker 1: scamming as out of money. This whole time you have.

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Speaker 1: Peggy is incredibly patient and literally puts in years of

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Speaker 1: was grooming him. Walk me through how you and Ricky

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Speaker 1: go from. Peggy comes on the scene, decorates his place.

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Speaker 1: He's grateful, she takes you all out. You guys become friends.

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Speaker 1: How do you go from that? Suddenly she's managing his money?

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Speaker 1: How'd that happen?

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Speaker 6: It was such a long period of time from the

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Speaker 6: working for Ricky, because she didn't start working for Ricky

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Speaker 6: till like five years in. We were more of growing

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Speaker 6: with the suspension and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Ricky Williams got into some trouble with his

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Speaker 2: Our top story, and Ricky Williams has lost his repeals

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Speaker 1: The decision came down and in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Williams, at just twenty seven years old, retires, actually

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Speaker 1: walks away from the NFL. He's sick of the marijuana controversy.

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Speaker 1: He's sick of the brutal spotlight that comes with playing

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Speaker 1: Peggy needs to inject herself into his life and into

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Speaker 1: of the Cohn. In two thousand and four, NFL running

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Speaker 1: back Ricky Williams retires from professional football, but a year later,

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, he changes his mind and

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Speaker 1: goes back to playing for the Miami Dolphins. At this point,

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Speaker 1: four years have gone by since Ricky first meets Peggy,

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Speaker 1: and they've become really close. He knows she manages the

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Speaker 1: Travis Best, and now Peggy starts earnestly making the case

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Speaker 6: Is when she got in his ear of if you

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Speaker 6: how she ended up working for Ricky. So it was

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Speaker 6: like five years out there we originally met her.

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Speaker 1: There's something so Shakespearean about it, like othello, like she's

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Speaker 1: the Iago, like whispering in.

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Speaker 3: His ear that play in London two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, how they do it. It's amazing, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: such a great story, but it's so based on I

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Speaker 1: see those situations again and again where you have this

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Speaker 1: whispering shit in Ricky Williams here like if you don't

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Speaker 1: blah blah bla blah. So over the course of five years,

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Speaker 1: and more importantly, protect their money from all the nair duels,

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Speaker 1: all the circling vultures who are lining up to trick

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Speaker 1: Ricky Williams hires Peggy to run his finances and kind

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Speaker 1: for managing Ricky's money? No, she didn't want to sell.

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Speaker 3: No, she didn't want a charger.

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Speaker 6: You're my brother, you already are in money situations because

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Speaker 6: So she didn't want to charge. She didn't charge these athletes.

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Speaker 1: So she came off as a woman with so much

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Speaker 3: You guys are my sons. I need to help you basically.

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Speaker 1: Because to your knowledge, at that point, she had no children. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: The first time she hold Ricky's first son, this is

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Speaker 6: Literally, this is my first time holding a baby.

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Speaker 1: So Peggy just comes across as this uber, wealthy woman

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Speaker 8: I just want to help the rich athletes.

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Speaker 1: My buddy again, Evan Goldstein. Early on, she makes the

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, how ironic.

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Speaker 1: On the face, it seems, oh, well, that's dumb. She's

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like you know those rich women that just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When Peggy walks into a room, she takes over the.

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Speaker 6: Everybody turns to her. She knows how to work the room,

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Speaker 6: And so they had a dynamic duel. Everything was legit.

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Speaker 6: And I had a moment where I actually worked for

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Speaker 6: And I was like, this is not gonna work for me,

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Speaker 6: Like I rather us be friends than business partners. So

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Speaker 1: And that just speaks to how charmed and charismatic she

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Speaker 1: and how does she not pay? Like when paycheck time came.

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: And how does she come on?

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Speaker 6: Remember how she responded, because obviously it wasn't too mean

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's so strange though, but it really speaks

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: So it's like she can wrong you and then still

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the ultimate power of any professional con

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: So how much control did Ricky Williams give Peggy of

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Speaker 3: All the control?

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Speaker 6: She basically said that she wanted to put him on

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Speaker 6: So she kept saying, I need to put you on

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Speaker 1: Again, coming back to the mother thing, she put him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And do you know, I mean you grew up with Ricky.

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Speaker 3: They were back and forth?

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Speaker 6: They're awesome today, but yes, back then they were back

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Speaker 1: And Ricky Williams's wife Kristen is also taken in by

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Speaker 5: Peggy had endeared herself to Ricky in a motherly sort

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Speaker 1: Ricky's wife, Kristen, is also good friends with Ricky's childhood

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Speaker 6: So when Ricky got dropped it to New Orleans, he

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Speaker 6: So when Ricky got traded, we were all like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: Peggy originally said, Kristy didn't even want me to stay

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Speaker 6: You know, kitchen, everything was in there. Leg I was

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Speaker 6: That was so far from the truth, Christen said. And

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Speaker 6: of that like you're way too close to Ricky and

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Speaker 6: It was just so much drama.

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Speaker 1: But there's no way Peggy can predict what's about to happen.

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Speaker 1: After the break Welcome Back to Queen of the Cohn

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Speaker 1: Peggy successfully separates Chantel Cohen from Ricky Williams's wife, Kristen.

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Speaker 6: Peggy said, Oh, Chantal doesn't even like you. She doesn't

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Speaker 6: it was just so much drama that she always created.

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Speaker 6: And with us having that conversation of just going back,

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Speaker 6: I want to be cool with you, you know. But

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Speaker 6: it was more or less like, Nope, she's having these

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Speaker 3: She knew who Ricky was. She's in it for the money,

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Speaker 1: Just that's what she's telling Kristin.

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Speaker 6: You're saying, yes, well we moved from New Orleans to Miami.

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Speaker 3: She's like, Kristin doesn't want you to move.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think you should, and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 6: And then she would come back and say, well, Ricky

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Speaker 6: so you should. So it was like she played us

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Speaker 6: so much to where we disliked each other. She was

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Speaker 6: you know, like maybe not to compare her stories or

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Speaker 3: She succeeded in doing.

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Speaker 1: You hit it on the nose. It was not to

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Speaker 1: Ye minded this too, They separate you. She was telling

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Speaker 1: you Christian was saying shit about you, and then she's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she definitely went.

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Speaker 1: And as is often the way in these tales, it's

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Speaker 1: Notice you os money, And that's when Ricky Williams thought,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, he's handling my money. This doesn't making

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Speaker 1: any sense.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And what happened after that?

444
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Speaker 6: Once that happened, then they called around and they found

445
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Speaker 6: out that it actually was not paid and so they

446
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Speaker 6: called her and she goes, what that's a mistake. I

447
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 6: pay all your taxes, blah blah blah, and they were

448
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Speaker 6: like okay.

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Speaker 1: But also around that same time, Ricky Williams and his

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Speaker 1: wife Kristen start having financial trouble, which just doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense to them.

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Speaker 6: So Kristen was already on the fence of Peggy anyways,

453
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Speaker 6: towards the end of their relationship, like, Okay, something's going on,

454
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Speaker 6: but I don't know, Like how come our car got rebuilt,

455
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Speaker 6: But how come I went to the grocery store my

456
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Speaker 6: car got declined, And how come one of the babies

457
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Speaker 6: moms is saying.

458
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Speaker 3: That we don't have child support this month.

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Speaker 6: So Kristin was already kind of just going through her head.

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Speaker 6: But every time I would tell Kristin to talk to Peggy,

461
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Speaker 6: it was like Peggy said, let's go to dinner, let

462
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Speaker 6: me take a shop, and so you know, it just

463
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Speaker 6: took Chris did off of that. So Kristen was like, Okay,

464
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Speaker 6: we need to go down the rabbit hole and figure

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Speaker 6: it out what it was. Ricky, on the other hand,

466
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Speaker 6: was guy.

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Speaker 3: She said that she.

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Speaker 6: Paid for it, let's let it play out and let's

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Speaker 6: see how it goes. And then once it started getting

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Speaker 6: real serious, I was like, Ricky, you have to wake up, Like, no,

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Speaker 6: she's playing us like.

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Speaker 1: And Ricky didn't want to believe it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to believe it.

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Speaker 6: He did not want to believe it because that's someone

475
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Speaker 6: that he literally took in and like he loved love,

476
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Speaker 6: loved her, you know, and like I said, that was

477
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Speaker 6: one of his kids, God's mom, you know. So it's

478
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Speaker 6: like she's found she's family. Why would family do that?

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Speaker 1: So at this point, Peggy does what Peggy always does

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Speaker 1: when the jig's up. She ghosts Ricky Williams and his

481
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Speaker 1: wife Kristen, and she ghosts Chantelle Cohen too. She just

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Speaker 1: stops responding to phone calls and emails and text messages.

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Speaker 6: Because Christy kept trying to call her, text her. She

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Speaker 6: even told me to call and text her. And I

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Speaker 6: feel like at one point Peggy hit me back and said,

486
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Speaker 6: I'm getting you guys in money back in wait ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Never heard from her again, never heard from her again.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Yes, she can be such a fixture

489
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Speaker 1: in all your lives for literally years, years, and then

490
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Speaker 1: the money's missing. You never hear from her again. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: it's twenty thirteen. Now. Ricky Williams and his wife Kristen

492
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Speaker 1: are living in Texas. At this point, Ricky's retired from

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Speaker 1: the NFL and he's coaching football at the University of

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Speaker 1: the Incarnate Word in San Antonio. The couple has a

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Speaker 1: beautiful home in Austin, and in their minds, they're living

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Speaker 1: off the interest from the millions and millions and millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars that Peggy's supposedly been investing for them for

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Speaker 1: the past six years. But no matter how many times

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Speaker 1: Ricky and Kristen call and text Peggy trying to get

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Speaker 1: answers about their finances, she just doesn't respond.

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Speaker 6: So December of twenty thirteen, I am moving from Vegas

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Speaker 6: to Miami. So we do a road trip, me and

503
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Speaker 6: my now husband and another friend of ours. We drive

504
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Speaker 6: through Austin, and once we stop in Austin, Ricky says

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Speaker 6: to me, are you driving through New Orleans on the

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Speaker 6: way to Miami? And I was like, of course, you know,

507
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Speaker 6: I am, and he goes take me to New Orleans.

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Speaker 6: I want to talk to Peggy. I'm like absolutely not.

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Speaker 6: Like at this point I'm still in rage and I

510
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Speaker 6: don't know what I would do to her if she

511
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 6: was in front of me. And I kept saying, no,

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Speaker 6: I'm not doing that, Like you got to do that

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Speaker 6: on your own time. And he's like, Kelly, that's what

514
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Speaker 6: they called me too. So he's like, Telly, I just.

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Speaker 1: Telly Shantelly Kelly. Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 6: And so he's like, I just need to talk to

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Speaker 6: her face to face because I just want to hear

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Speaker 6: what she has to say. And I'm like, I'm not

519
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Speaker 6: taking you, cut to you. I ended up taking him,

520
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 6: and so I take him to New Orleans. Once we

521
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Speaker 6: pull up to her place, he's like, don't get out

522
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Speaker 6: the car. So he does not let me get out

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Speaker 6: the car. He makes he send in a car for

524
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Speaker 6: like forty five minutes while he goes in.

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Speaker 3: Whatever they talk about. He comes back out.

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Speaker 6: She comes walking behind them, and I'm like telling my husband, Matt,

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Speaker 6: I know she's not walking up to the car.

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Speaker 3: I know she's not walking up cut to you.

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Speaker 6: She's like at my window and I'm like, I'm not

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Speaker 6: rolling it down, and Matt's like just rolling down. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I'm not rolling it down, and she's like banging on

532
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Speaker 6: the window and so I finally roll it down.

533
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Speaker 3: She's like bawling, crying. She's like, I.

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Speaker 6: Hope you don't believe this, Like I would never do

535
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Speaker 6: this to Ricky. And she's like saying all this stuff

536
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Speaker 6: and I'm just like, I don't believe you.

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Speaker 1: And what did Ricky get from her?

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Speaker 6: Like what he got from her? That she put his

539
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 6: money in stocks and bonds? Like his money is spread

540
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Speaker 6: out and I'm like, go get it, then go get something.

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Speaker 1: Show it, show me the money.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So in his mind and he's thinking, okay, let's

543
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 6: give her time. Oh come, I'm like, yo, we're done.

544
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: Like you're not seeing any of this money. Like I

545
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 6: don't even know what you're thinking in your head to

546
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 6: think that this money's coming back.

547
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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 6: But that's how good of a person he is, Like,

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Speaker 6: I'm still looking at you like I know you care

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Speaker 6: about me, so you're gonna give me my money bag?

551
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 6: No she's not, you know, like no, she is a

552
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 6: perfect actor, period, and she played us so bad. She's

553
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: not playing me anymore. She's still playing you. This is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And he believes her explanation that the money's in stocks

555
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: and bonds somewhere, but Ricky's wife, Kristen, doesn't believe Peggy anymore,

556
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Speaker 1: and she starts digging.

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Speaker 5: Peggy claimed to be a Harvard educated attorney. I called

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Speaker 5: the Florida Bar Association, the Georgia Bar Association, the Louisiana Bar,

559
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: anybody that I could think of, any place that she

560
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 5: had lived. I just started going down a checklist, and

561
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 5: no one knew her. We started looking at every place

562
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: that all of our money and all of our investments are.

563
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 5: We have accounts there, but don't really have the money

564
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: in them anymore.

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Speaker 8: I am sorry, missus Williams, I'm showing a zero balance

566
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Speaker 8: in that account.

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Speaker 5: There are really no words to describe waking up to

568
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 5: find out that you don't have one dollar in your

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00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 5: checking account, much less than millions of dollars Ricky had

570
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Speaker 5: earned in the past few years. We realized that we're

571
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Speaker 5: paying for Peggy's lavish lifestyle, the Bentley, Rolls, Royce, the

572
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 5: Range Rovers, all of her homes. I was actually with

573
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Speaker 5: her when she spent eight hundred dollars on her hair extensions.

574
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Speaker 5: I'm standing beside her as she's paying for it with

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Speaker 5: a credit card that is actually linked to our accounts.

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Speaker 1: And what Kristen gets Ricky to do to pay, and

577
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: how everything goes down after that will blow your freaking mind.

578
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I shouted out loud when I saw that. I literally said,

579
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Speaker 1: I said, no fucking way, is what I said next

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Speaker 1: time on Queen of the Con.

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Speaker 8: Plaintiffs Ricky and Kristin Williams collectively plaintiffs filed this verified

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Speaker 8: complaint and application for temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction.

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Speaker 1: It's time to pay the piper, but Peggy appears to

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Speaker 1: be getting away.

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Speaker 6: The crazy thing about the FBI is they did not

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Speaker 6: want to arrest her with all the information me and

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Speaker 6: Kristin gave them.

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