WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Zone Coverage 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:06.680 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.440 Cowboys. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:16.439 This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.960 and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.800 Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.639 And it is a Monday here inside the SWBC podcast studio, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.320 and all my things are starting to shake in the 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.519 National Football League. This is Mick Shots, brought to you 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:44.599 by Miller Lite without Everson Walls. He's on assignment today. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:46.440 So I figured out where he's at. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:47.560 Oh did you yes? 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.760 Where the HBCU Draft combine? 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:53.280 Oh? 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:54.280 This week? 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.720 And they played the game on Saturday. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:02.480 All right, that's funny because Everson just tells us last 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.800 Monday that I'm not going to be here next Monday, right, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.360 and didn't tell us why. We didn't pry. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.600 Because I always say business however, secret government. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.600 So you made it your mission the last week. Okay, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.640 let's figure out wherever. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.480 So I'm assuming because they have practices, and I'm they 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.840 bring guys like him there to help. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.840 Out, that's right, Not just to help out, not just 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.840 to run the practice, but to tutor some of these 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:36.720 young Draft prospects. And speaking of combines, the NFL scouting 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.560 combine is underway in Indianapolis, and Mickey. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.000 It's out here. It is. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.919 It's a fancy green note it's. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.679 The big green notebook there it is. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.440 He didn't buy that at Walmart. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.440 This is where we find five star prospects in the 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.960 NFL Draft fight and we've been doing it for twenty 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.680 years now. It goes back to the old Cowboy Channel 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:06.440 when Mickey and I discovered DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.079 The Cowboys had two first round draft picks in two 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:15.400 thousand and five. And for the loyal, long time listeners 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.000 to originally Talking Cowboys, this is the original Talking Cowboys, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.240 by the way, and now mix shots. You know that 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.120 in two thousand and five, we not only talked to 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.320 the high school coach of Marcus Spears at Southern lab 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.000 and Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but also the high school coach 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.280 and I think the college coach of DeMarcus Ware. This 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.040 is where we told you the Cowboys are picking DeMarcus 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.240 Ware and Marcus Spears in the first round of that 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:42.960 two thousand and. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.320 Five and we got them in the right order. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.720 That's right. Unlike Bill Parcells. They got it. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.119 They must have been listening to us, right. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.960 That's where it basically all started for me twenty years ago, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.960 diving deep into the draft. Wow, you know, And what 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.760 it coincided with was I've thought about this, Why has 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.919 the draft become such as Parcels would put it, such 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:14.760 a cottage industry? And it really I think started with 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.519 the advent of YouTube and for fans to be able 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.560 to easily access video of all these players in college. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.440 Oh yeah, you know, and where. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.079 You could spend hours just looking at And it's gotten 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.880 obviously over the course of twenty years, much more advanced 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.960 than what it was in two thousand and five. But 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.040 I really think that is where the NFL draft, the 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.840 interest in the NFL draft just skyrocketed, is because of 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.040 the easy access to videos of these players. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.520 And then I think the NFL made a really good 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.119 decision to move. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.440 The draft around. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.600 Yeah, different places. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:54.880 It was here. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:04:01.520 Twenty whatever year it was, it would have been vander. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.880 Esh's twenty nineteen rookie year. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.920 I think twenty eighteen, yeah, okay, But moving it around 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:13.200 like that in different spots you engage more fans from 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:14.120 different places. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.000 Yeah, I think but that's once it got to draft day. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.240 But yeah, it's when it's the whole combine and all 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.240 that stuff. And obviously, and it was about that time 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.600 that the NFL network got started. In fact, I think 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.760 the Cowboys channel it was actually the precursor to the 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.240 NFL network. You know what happened They couldn't and the 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.679 Cowboys channel was on Comcast. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.720 Cable and twenty four hours. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.880 Twenty four hours in fact, we used to do during 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.200 the Cowboys season, we would do an hour long sports 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:51.200 center type Cowboys show Monday through Friday from our little 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:56.440 closet at Valley Ranch. And it was after that the 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.719 NFL network was born. In the the teams had to 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.839 do away with well, the one team that had its 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:08.160 own cable TV channel, the Cowboys had to do away 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.200 with the Cowboys chann I. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.360 Remember that year somewhere we were on the road and 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.760 so they had told us, or I guess it would 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.760 have been the next year that the NFL basically went 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.559 to the owners and said, look, there's no sense having 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.920 a TV channel competing with the other channel you already own. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.640 So we would appreciate if you didn't. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.239 Have, especially as widely viewed as the Cowboys. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:35.840 Channel was. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.880 So we were in the middle of the season when 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.760 that happened. So it happened the next year and Jerry saw. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.480 Me, I don't know where we were. We were on 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:45.120 a road. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.840 Game and he said, you know, he goes, when we 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.640 get this this this stadium thing settled, We're going to 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.800 get this this channel back. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.520 I don't care. What that said never came back, well, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.040 not TV, you know what. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.840 It came back as what you're doing right now came 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:06.880 back as podcast and basically you've got twenty four hour 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.560 access to all the Cowboys information that you want through 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:11.160 the podcast. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.800 And now with all our cameras in here, right, we're 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:14.599 back on TV. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.960 Go's right, all right? 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.400 So much to get to since we last convened, In fact, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.640 last Tuesday, which was the last time we got together 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.440 after the President's Day holiday, the Cowboys coaches were all 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.560 assembled for the media to talk to and so we 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.080 got to get your take on what came out of that. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.599 And then we had the breaking news on Thursday where 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.960 Zach Martin made it official informing the Cowboys that he 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.560 is calling it a Hall of Fame career, and I 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.719 think he worded it that way when he went into Jerry. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.320 I've decided to call it a Hall of Fame career. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.359 Yeah, I think I've done enough since trying. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.240 And then now we fast forward to this week and 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.200 we got the combine going on this week, and we're 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.760 two weeks from today. It's basically the start of NFL 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:10.560 free agency. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:17.640 So I've got two of my tablets here full of 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.040 stuff everything that's going on. So I guess we should 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:25.040 start with the coaches questions that they made. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:28.000 As a group. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.680 And I know I haven't coached a game yet, right, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.920 but a very personable group of coaches. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.600 Very easy interviews. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.680 And when I started listening to everybody and how they 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:52.120 put this staff together, I got a feeling that there 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:58.200 was And I said this to Schottenheimer. Now he didn't 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.160 do an interview, but I caught him off to the 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.840 side and I said, there seems to be on this 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:11.720 staff heavy emphasis on the offensive line and being able 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.960 to run the football. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:14.800 And he goes, I think that's fair. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:21.280 And if you look at the number of guys that 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:27.160 are or have been coordinators offensive coordinators not just him, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:33.000 but not necessarily in the NFL, but between Clayton Adams, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:38.440 Connor Riley, they added Ken Dorsey, who had been an 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:44.080 offensive coordinator in Cleveland and Buffalo. There's a lot of 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.520 guys that have had their hands into coordinating the offense 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:52.800 to help him out. But if you look at Clayton Adams, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.000 so they named him the offensive coordinator, but he's an 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.280 offensive line coach, right And when he was asked, will 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:05.160 you have a hand in helping out on the offensive line, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.800 and I don't think his word was absolutely, but yeah, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.800 of course. And then Connor Riley had coached in college 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.200 twenty two years. He had been a coordinator, but he's 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.560 an offensive line coach. They've got an assistant offensive line 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:31.680 coach also on the staff with Ramon Chingyong, and there 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.400 just seems to be and then an off running backs coach. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.920 It just seems like running the football is going to 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.720 be a priority. And if you look at Schottenheimer's history 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:49.040 as a coordinator, he's had good running teams with the 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:55.160 Jets and Seattle for sure. So as I was talking 0:09:55.240 --> 0:10:00.560 to the running back the running back coach, I said 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.800 Derek Foster, Derek Foster that it looks like a priority. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.600 He goes, it is and it will be. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.680 And I said, now all you need is a running 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:16.240 back and he laughed, but yeah, it's I don't know 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.680 if that made an impression on you, but it made 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:19.840 an impression on me. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:21.480 No doubt, no doubt. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.520 And in fact, as we've talked about, you know, Schottenheimer's 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.040 team with the Jets, I mean, they made it to 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.520 the AFC Championship game with the number one ranked rushing 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.800 offense in the league back when he was the offensive 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.160 coordinator there and Mark Sanchez was a rookie quarterback coming 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.320 into the league right and then when he had Russell 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.960 Wilson with Seattle, they were also the number one rushing 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.119 offense in the league with the Seahawks. It is interesting 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:52.240 as you look at the which is a very small 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.120 stable of running backs on this roster right now, and 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.280 literally induced Vaughan Hunter Lepke if you want to count 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.080 him as a as a running back to go along 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.120 with him being a fullback and an HVAC type Malik 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.400 Davis and that's it. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:09.880 Yeah. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.640 And so it's an open season, open market for running 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.760 backs starting in free agency two weeks from today or 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.720 maybe even prior to two weeks from today. If because 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.800 they've got one that they can go ahead and negotiate 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:29.440 with right now in Rico Dawdle and we'll see what happens. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.720 And it sounded like from what Stephen Jones said at 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:39.800 the combine on Sunday where the competition committee was already meeting, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:45.920 that Rico sounds like one of their priorities to resign, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.320 along with Jordan Lewis and OsO Diggi Zoo, who may 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:55.880 be the hardest one to try to resign, but maybe 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.880 the top priority since they don't have many are hardly 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.400 any defensive tackles under contract. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:10.000 Mazzie Smith and maybe there was somebody on. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.679 The practice squad Justin Rodgers Okay, it was back. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.559 Okay, Justin Rodgers the seventh round pick last year, and 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.080 then he came back at the end of the season. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:27.800 And Denzel Dackson is the other one who is on 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:28.280 the roster. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.679 So and Osa had a really good season. And I 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.920 think that I don't know that they do a franchise 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.520 tag on him. It's twenty three million, but they can 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:45.240 do a transition tag, so at least you reserve the 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.160 right of first refusal if somebody else. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.880 It's rarely used. Teams don't normally use transition tags, but 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.040 sometimes it can be used. Effectively the issue that the 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.720 Cowboys and the transition tag. It's a little less money 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.079 than what a franchise tag would be. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.319 But you don't get any compensation. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.680 And who's the guy, and you can match whatever offer 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.640 that player might get on the open market. The problem 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.600 for the Cowboys is from a salary cap standpoint, if 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.000 you're gonna have Michael Parsons playing on his fifth year 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.440 option at around twenty four million dollars a year, and 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.680 obviously you know all the other salaries that are taking 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.920 up from the high dollar players on the team, can 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:33.040 you afford a even a plus twenty million dollar a 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.679 year transition tag on a on a defensive tackle. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.200 And that's why that's why it's you try to do 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.320 a long term deal where the guy gets his money 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.760 up front, but you can spread it out and it 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.040 won't cost as much every year. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.160 The interesting thing as far as you we just talk 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.880 running backs and we talk defensive lineman defensive tackles, and 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.679 if you listen to the so called experts on this 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:05.040 dret the deepest positions in this draft might be running 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.280 backs and defensive linemen. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.040 Right, And so you know you can't get both in 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.280 the first round. But you got to figure out if 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.040 I get this here, there are enough guys at that 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.480 other position in the second and third round to help 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:20.920 me out. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.480 So yeah, that's the stuff that. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.880 We'll talk about going forward in decisions the Cowboys made. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.440 But and the one person I can't believe I forgot this. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:38.640 I think we talked about it last week, the secondary coach, 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:45.960 David Overstreet. Yep, I forgot that he had played in Missouri. Yeah, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.320 he was a two time All Big twelve. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.280 And that's his connection with Ibraflus, right, because the Eberflus 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.400 was the defensive cordon over Street played. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.240 For him, and he had them with the Bear Yeah, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.840 he's with the Bears. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.480 Also, maybe with the Colts too. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.880 But I I and I think when he was playing 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:12.640 with Missouri, I didn't realize it was David Overstreet's son 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:18.520 running back or the running back from Oklahoma who ended 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.720 up He was from East Texas Big Sandy, Big Sandy, 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:28.440 Lovey Smith's hometown and ended up first round. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.520 David Overstreak would have been high school teammates with Lovey Smith. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.360 I'm pretty sure back in the because he played at 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.320 Oklahoma in the late seventies, he was part of maybe 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.040 a year or two younger than Lovey, but they would 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.840 have cross paths in Big Sandy for sure. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:49.400 And in the same backfield at Oklahoma with Billy Simms. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.680 And Kenny King and Thomas Lott. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.920 And Thomas Lott right, which should have come up on 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.840 It was Saturday. The ticket did their ticket stock. They 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:06.120 had Switzer as a guest, which is another uh segment 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:12.520 I need to go. He was he was unfiltered as. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:13.800 Always in person. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.480 Uh oh yeah, yeah, he was there that they must 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.520 have talked to him for an hour, it seemed like. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:20.720 Uh. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.200 And he had story he had stories going with different 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.880 antennas off of it that he never got back to 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.120 the final part of the stories. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:31.720 He was amazing. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.720 But yeah, I and I talked over street and I 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.920 forgot to point out that, you know, it's like, oh, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.880 we got some Missouri connections here. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:40.640 But anyway, and. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.800 He believed he went to Samuel High School. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.560 Yes, he did, so, he grew up in Pleasant Grove, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:51.000 he said, Uh. And he has a yearly uh camp 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.960 here for uh some of the underprivileged type players kids 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.760 and uh it's uh, I think he said, July June 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.160 twenty first, Okay, and he's got to find a spot 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.160 because ever he was having I think he was having 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.720 it at the stadium, maybe at Samuel High School and 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.080 it's under construction. So he said, I got to find 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.119 a new place. And we were sitting there talking, I go, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:22.560 there's two fields right behind it, there's transportation available. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.320 Yes, that'd be fun, that'd be a good way of 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:31.800 doing it. Yeah. But otherwise on the defensive staff, Aaron 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.480 white Cotton is another guy that I'm interested in who 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:40.520 was with the Jets defensive line coach, and he's got 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.800 a history. Of course, he was with Robert Solo with 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.440 the Jets, and he was also with Solo with San Francisco, 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:52.080 and so we won't get into names per se. But 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:58.520 when you're looking at potential free agent types with a lot, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.719 whether it's White Cotton or any other the Chicago guys 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.480 that become available, guys that these coaches have a history with, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.840 who will come at an economical price range. I expect 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.879 the Cowboys to be, well, they can't be less active 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.600 or as inactive as they were last year in free agency, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.400 but they got to do something in free agency this year. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.159 But it's going to be those low tiered better and 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.480 there's going to be a whole bunch across the league, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.760 these veteran free agents that are signing for less than 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.160 two million dollars a year. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.480 Right, and you know, and they did a decent job. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.240 You know, no one gives them credit. Eric Kendricks was 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.400 a hell of a free agent signing, right, and for 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.080 basically what you've just said. I think it was like 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.400 May three and a half three million, something like that. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.400 And so, and they tried to get the nose tackle 0:18:55.640 --> 0:19:00.320 that ended up going to Seattle Jonathan Hankins Ankins, and 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.720 everybody said, how could they let him get away? 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.679 They offered him a contract. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.840 I was told he wanted to go to Seattle because 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.800 the defensive line coaches getting hired there as the defensive coordinator, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.359 and he felt like it goes to what you just said. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.920 Sometimes these guys decision is to go with a coach 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.199 they're familiar with and have some insurance that they're going 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:24.720 to get a chance to play. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.200 And real quickly, I was just looking up Jonathan Hankins 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:37.600 last year with Seattle, seventeen games, eight starts. He had decent. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.240 It was the same type season he's been having. He 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.080 had thirty tackles, and you know, he was a big 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.879 run stuffer in the middle of their defense at thirty 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.840 two years old. And as it turns out, the Cowboys 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.040 had to you know, they brought they wait till training 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.760 camp to make moves to try to enhance their defensive line. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.680 The criticisms that Mike McCarthy had late in the season 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.879 is if we're going to bring in guys, you'd like 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.600 to have him here throughout the off season program. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.320 Right right, And so so yeah, we'll see that how 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.879 that turns out. But you know, with with a defensive 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:24.600 stat Matt Eber Eberflows was able to bring in guys 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:30.479 he knew for that staff. So yeah, and everybody was, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.080 you know, really high after talking to him, and I said, yeah, 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.600 this is great until you lose a game. You know, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.640 you get smacked in the mouth and it's. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.120 Like, okay, how's everybody doing. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.720 And among the guys that he brought in from Chicago, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:49.600 Andre Curtis the past game coordinator, secondary coach, Dave Borganzi 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.600 linebackers coach, and you mentioned David Overstreet as well as 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:54.760 secondary coach. 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:55.120 So. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.280 You know, and Nick Sorenson the spell teams coach. He's 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.840 he's quite a talker and there's another guy. He was 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:07.320 a defensive. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.960 Courton last year with San Francisco. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.000 Right, and so he's been a special teams player. They 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.159 brought back Carlos Polk, who had been here as a 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.080 special team's assistant. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:17.640 A couple of years ago. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.199 So I think they've done a pretty good job putting 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:28.479 this staff together. And there's a lot of it is 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:34.160 who knew who right, and and the thing with Clayton Adams, 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:41.359 the connection that Schottenheimer had with Clayton Adams. He was 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:50.040 at Colorado when Mike McIntyre, the Cowboys' former defensive secondary coach, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:54.840 maybe right, he was the head coach at Colorado. Schottenheimer 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:59.280 knew McIntyre and so he got he kept hearing from 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.960 McIntyre that this Clayton Adams is pretty good. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.560 Now I'm sitting there trying to think, Okay, where would 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.119 Schottenheimer and McIntyre of cross pads And I'm gonna have 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.320 to go look through both backgrounds on them and figure 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.119 out where they But it could be they didn't. They 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.720 never worked together. There is a possibility that guys connect 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.000 with each other right outside of being on the same 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:23.680 staff together. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.200 I remember my McIntyre coach. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:26.919 Tire you know what. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:35.120 Schottenheimer lives in Nashville. McIntyre's father was a head coach 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.600 of Xanderbilt. He grew up in Nashville and Bill was there, 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.800 that's right, So I bet it's a Nashville connection on 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.960 Odd McIntyre. I love Mike McIntyre. It's you know, when 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.680 he was here and then he went on to Duke 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.520 and then San Jose State and that's where Clayton Adams 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.919 was first on his staff at San Jose State and 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.400 then followed him to Colorado. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:22:58.920 Yeah. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.240 Yeah, there was a lot of connection. So it wasn't 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.040 like they were just putting their hand in the hat 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.720 and drawing a name out right. There was always some 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:12.280 sort of connection or somebody vouching for these guys and 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:13.600 how good they were all. 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.000 Right, And we didn't even mention Junior Adams, the wide 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.560 receivers coach who has a great reputation as a college 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.400 receivers coach and now making the step into the NFL. 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.200 In fact, Cooper Cup just swears by him, said he 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.160 no coach in his career had more of an impact 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.960 on him than Junior Adams when he was at Eastern Washington. 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.520 And there's nothing wrong with bringing some fresh ideas. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:38.879 I love it. 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:43.960 I love the energy because there's a mix of experience 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.520 and youth on this staff. And as it relates to 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.920 the draft, where you've got guys who have as recently 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.560 as two months ago coached in college and they're very 0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:00.199 familiar with the players, either they they themselves coached, or 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.639 they went up against or they tried to recruit the 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.600 exactly and not only out of high school, but out 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.880 of the porch. We know how much the coaches are 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.120 involved in the draft process here, and so that can 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.199 be big and just communication and plus they as you 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.680 mentioned off the top, they all seem to be really 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:22.800 good communicators. Yeah, and have a want to to let 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.560 the scouting staff know this is what I'm looking for 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:26.800 in a player and so forth. 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:30.359 You know, when I asked people their impression of the 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.439 coaching staff, and you just mentioned the word, they said energy. 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.840 It's like, hey, we're here to prove ourselves and these 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.760 guys are. Not to say the other staff wasn't fired up, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:45.480 but a lot of energy and emotion on this staff. 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.680 And one person told me when I asked about Schottenheimer 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.440 and one of the other's assistants what they knew about 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.600 them or what they felt that they did best, and 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:56.960 the word was teacher. 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.560 So and I think that's a big part of it, 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.200 is being able to connect with the players. 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:06.280 Right, Yeah, so so having to put together almost an 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:10.200 entirely new staff, it looks like at this point they've 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.200 done a pretty good job. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.600 All Right, We're gonna talk Zach Martin when we come 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.639 back here on mix shots in just a moment. 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:22.200 Cowboys Football and Miller Lite. 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Okay, okay, all right, 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:47.360 Before we talk Zach Martin, A little item that's making 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:52.760 news is the interview that I think David Moore did 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.800 with Stephen Jones at the Combine. I was in the 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:01.680 Morning News this morning and as now making the rounds 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:06.160 on social media that it looks like Cowboys moving on 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:12.360 from Trey Lance, but they are Steven Jones indicating that 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.600 they have thoughts of drafting a quarterback. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.760 And obviously they were going to do that. I would 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:28.520 imagine even if, well even if they keep or try 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.400 to resign Cooper Rush, you need another. 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.640 And I think the quote on Cooper Rush is obviously, 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.440 if you're paying the starter what the Cowboys are paying 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.880 Dak Prescott, the money is tight as far as signing 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.520 a veteran free agent. They love Cooper and it's just 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.440 we're just gonna have to see where where the market 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:49.480 goes on Cooper. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:50.280 Rush market value. 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.120 And you know, and I think when teams understand the 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.640 importance of having a backup quarterback that can at least 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.479 hold down the fort if you lose your starter, and 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:05.080 who knows, somebody may look at him and say, well, 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.400 if we don't get somebody in the draft, we like, 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.440 maybe he's our starter until someone else is developed or 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.440 comes along. So yeah, market Valley is gonna decide a 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:16.880 lot of things for the Cowboys. 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.640 And when you look at this draft and so what 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.480 we're talking about here is a third day quarterback you 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:28.720 would imagine, but when you now it's not out of 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.680 the question, and you can make some moves whatever, pick 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.360 up an extra draft pick, and if there's somebody that 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:39.880 you like in the third round, whatever, because when you 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:44.560 look at Dax contract, you need someone you would love 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.000 to have a situation like what Detroit had this year 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.000 where they had Jared Goff, they had drafted Hinton Hooker 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.680 and Hooker never gets on the field, but he is 0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.600 a developmental quarterback that you have spent a second day 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.800 draft pick on. And then it got to the end 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.880 of the season and Detroit was like, you know what 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.120 if our quarterback goes down in the playoffs. I don't 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.080 know that we want to throw this young guy in there, 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.320 and so they signed Teddy Bridgewater late this season. 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:16.600 But you would love to have. 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:21.520 Someone who you're grooming to be the eventual replacement once 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.920 your starter gets up there in years and gets even 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:25.800 retirement age. 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.960 But if you think that was the Cowboys philosophy when 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.320 they drafted Dak Prescott, right, yeah, that's right. They had 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.680 Kellen Moore as the veteran backup and it's like, Okay, 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:39.480 maybe this guy can developed to be the backup to 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.000 Tony Romo and then lo and behold. 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:45.080 Everybody gets hurt and Dak Prescott. So you're and what 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:45.440 was he? 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.200 He was the number one thirty five pick in the 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.880 draft in the fourth round, so I think their second 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:54.840 fourth round behind Charles Tappan. And so that is the 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:56.880 area you're probably looking at. And when you look at 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:01.640 this this quarterback draft, there could be someone like that 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.400 in the fourth round. So we'll see. 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.840 And you've got basically two quarterback coaches with Ken Dorsey 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:15.240 also to help out, so that that certainly, you know. 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.479 I would I would think they're somebody. 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.960 They are in the market, just like it running back, 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:25.880 they're in the market for a veteran backup quarterback as 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.479 well as if it's not crack brush right and a veteran, 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.360 I'm talking about a guy that's not making much money, 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:37.320 right yeah, or needs a job all right, So Zach Martin, 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.560 I don't think any of us were surprised with the announcement, 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.720 and the Cowboys not caught off guard. But it you 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.600 knew it was going to come eventually. Just the way 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.800 things played out last season, it seemed obvious. And then 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:53.080 after his Zach Martin's ankle surgery, he wanted to give 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.600 it time just to make sure. But apparently he went 0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.400 into Jerry's office on Thursday and said it's time. 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:09.240 And the Cowboys had braced for this when they restructured 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.760 his contract last year to save some cap money and 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.480 push it down the road. And one of the things 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:22.280 that I think got overlooked when they restructured his contract 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:27.360 is they added a couple voided years, but the voidable 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:31.040 year for this year he had a one point two 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:36.280 million dollar base salary. So they did that because while 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:42.040 he has basically told them he wants to retire, nothing's official. 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.160 And what the Cowboys are going to do. 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.680 Is release him once the league year starts and make 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:54.800 him a June one cut. That gives them the opportunity 0:33:55.840 --> 0:34:01.680 to spread out the dead money that would take place 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:07.440 in one year if he just retired and left. So 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.320 his debt money's going to be significant. It's a total 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:16.680 over two years of twenty six million dollars. So I 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.600 think they take a nine around a nine year, a 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.919 nine million dollar hit this year and the rest next year. 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.160 So they were kind of preparing. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.040 For this now according to over the cap. Now you 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.680 tell me whether I'm reading this correct. 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:32.680 I know they've got it nine million in nine. 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.600 Million and then and then in Okay, so what they 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:39.560 have is nine point four million in twenty twenty five. 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.279 This is with Zach Martin being a post Une first cut, 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:47.479 nine point four million again in twenty twenty six, four 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.120 point four million in twenty seven, and three point twenty 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:52.640 five million in twenty eight. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.200 That's that all comes seven next year, goes seventeen million 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:57.080 next year next year. 0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:57.480 Okay. 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.560 That's the way it was explained to me. Okay. 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.040 So so yeah, so you know when when everybody says that, well, 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.560 the Cowboys don't know how to manage their cap, well, 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:12.520 when you restructure bonuses to keep your guys. That money 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:16.920 gets spread down the road, and when they leave or 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.400 the contracts up, you still got to account for the 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:21.080 pro ration. 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:22.080 Uh. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.600 And the same thing's going to take place with DeMarcus 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.840 Lawrence if he's not here or if he decides to 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:33.080 also retire, although he kind of intimated to me that 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:34.480 he wants to still. 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.799 Play, and then let me correct myself on that. You're 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.440 exactly right, and it says it on the over the 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.880 cap website as well. The cap number, right is the 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.120 cap number actually as a post June first cut is 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.879 ten point six five million for this year and then 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.799 it's seventeen point oh six million for next year. 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.480 Yeah, so it costs. 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.879 So now if you don't designate him a June first 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:05.800 cut and it is twenty twenty six point four to six. 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:07.839 Million, yeah, I rounded it off. 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:13.080 So yeah, so I think, you know, good for him. 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:19.279 A lot of guys when their careers are done, they 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.360 either are told they're done or you have an injury 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.279 that ends it. He's been able to make his own 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.399 decision like this is what I want to do. He's 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:34.080 played eleven years at an awfully high level, married three kids. 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.200 I think he's very satisfied for what he did. And 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.719 I got an opportunity to talk to Jason Garrett. And 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:51.040 if you guys remember Jason when he took over as 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.640 head coach, realized that the one thing they needed to do, 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.640 and this kind of corresponds with what's going on now, 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.759 they needed to rebuild the offensive line. In one year 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:06.200 twenty ten, they got old and expensive and they had 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.000 to start moving on for guys. So if you remember 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:13.720 twenty eleven, ninth picking the draft, they take Tyron. 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.200 Smith, could be an announcement from him coming soon. 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:20.279 Yeah, yeah, because he's probably close to the end. In 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.640 twenty thirteen, they traded down. They got Travis Frederick, your 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.800 starting center, and also to go along with the trade down, 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.600 you got a starting wide receiver, Terrence Williams. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.120 That same year. 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.640 And then twenty fourteen, and this is the part that 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:41.680 everybody does it everybody remembers that, Oh, Johnny Manziel was there. Well, 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:47.719 Jason reminded me that they were looking for defense in 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.319 that draft. The first guy they were looking at was, 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:56.239 by the way, Anthony Barr, linebacker out of Ucla. He 0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.480 went number eleven to Minnesota. Their next guy they were 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.279 looking at was Aaron Donald. He went number thirteen to 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:09.200 the Rams, and then they were all prepared at sixteen 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:14.239 to take Ryan Shazier out of Ohio State, the linebacker, 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.879 and at fifteen Pittsburgh took him. And so now they're 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.000 at sixteen, and it was like what to do? 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:22.000 What to do? 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:28.600 And Jason basically said, there was a blinking light out there. 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.200 Zach Martin. Zach Martin. Zach Martin was the kind of 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.640 the quote, he told me. And so after that brief 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:41.399 conversation about Johnny Manziel, they decided that this guy, he said, 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.800 there was a consensus in the room that you couldn't 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.400 pass up Zach Martin, and they rebuilt that offensive line. 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:55.840 And I've got a SoundBite here from Jason when I 0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.120 asked him, what, how do you describe the makeup of 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.920 Zach Martin who ended up playing eleven years for the Cowboys, 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.200 nine Pro Bowl or Pro Bowls, And here's what he 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:07.799 had to say. 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.839 The last thing memory I will always have of Zach 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.440 Martin is we've driven the ball down the field a 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.080 mix of run and paths. We get down in their clothes, 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.600 we run it in with Zeke Elliott, you know, right 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.960 behind him and just his look when he comes running 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.960 off the field, and the smile that he has on 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:28.960 his face, and the love that he has for the 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:33.600 game and playing and his teammates and all of that 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.319 was just remarkable to me. And and and you know, 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.719 I saw it so much, this look that he had, like, God, 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:45.400 I absolutely love playing football and and so for me, 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.239 that was such a distinguishing trait for him. And and 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.520 and trust me, we tried to build our team with 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.000 guys who are absolutely like that, passionate about the game, 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.400 work hard, all the stuff. You know. He used to 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.719 hear me talk about the right kind of guy, that's 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.080 what we're looking for, and he just embodied that. 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.640 Jason Garrett on Zach Martin, and I thought that pretty 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.920 much summed it up, because you know, if you remember 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:15.560 even during the week or after games, when you interviewed 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.319 Zach Martin, he had this look in his eyes, right, 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:23.359 and it's like very intentional he did. 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.080 He just loved playing football. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.200 Now, the lasting memory I will have of not only 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.240 Zach Martin, but Tyrone Smith and for that matter, Travis 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:37.239 Frederick is a Cowboys training camp and they would all 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:38.839 walk on the field together. 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:45.640 And it was like Okay, it was like the charge 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:49.400 of the light brigade, right, all three together, Uh huh. Yeah, 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.160 I had to be intimidating for the opponent when you 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.000 have those three walking in together. And it was a 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.759 pretty good offensive line that they added the next year 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:04.520 Leale Collins, who ended up being, because of circumstances, a 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:09.080 free agent signing, and they rebuilt that offensive line and 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.560 what happened They were able to run the football right, 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:18.120 and was it important? And Jason said, did you watch 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:18.920 the Super Bowl? 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:21.720 Right? It's still important. 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.840 It's still important, old school football, right, And then he 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.600 had Ron Leary also on that offense. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:27.839 Yeah. 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:33.280 Line in twenty sixteen and Doug free was was the 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.880 right tackle going back to the early time when they 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:38.719 first came and. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.040 Ended up being a holdover from that line ended up 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.040 getting pretty you know, flows Al Adams got a little 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:45.720 bit in age. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:52.280 Kozier was there, koz are how's are yeah? So yeah? 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.920 But yeah, what a career? What a career? 0:41:56.400 --> 0:42:00.520 Put it Here's this puts it in perspective. There are 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:05.279 three Cowboys in the history of the organization who were 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:09.760 named First team All Pro seven times in their career. 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.719 And those three, two of them are first ballot Hall 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:17.239 of Famers, right, Bob Lilly and Randy White, and Zach 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:18.319 Martin is the third one. 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.200 And the only offensive lineman they had with more than 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.040 nine Pro Bowls was Larry Allen with ten. He had 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:30.480 more than rayphiel Wright. And then I think the next 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:35.360 guys were like Nate Newton, John Nylan that had six 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:36.760 Pro Bowls. 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.960 And I asked it eleven time Pro bowler Jason Whitten 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:45.920 about Zach Martin and the first words out of his 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:50.040 mouth maybe the best teammate I ever had, which tells 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:51.200 you a lot about Zach Martin. 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.040 And you know the other thing is, and I don't 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:59.120 know if the thought was in the Cowboys mind. He 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:03.880 was their nomine need for the NFL Walter Payton Man 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.399 the Year Award, and he made it. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:07.080 To the Super Bowl. 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:13.160 YEP. I don't know that that that you get to that, 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:20.560 but I guarantee you that they knew that this was 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:25.560 likely the end. 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And that who's 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:25.720 used the third round. 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.000 By the way, who. 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.680 Was running that draft for the first time in his career, 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.800 Will McLay. That was his first home. That's first draft 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.640 with him in control of it. Twenty fourteen. 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.440 Did we ever point out in one of the shows 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:47.040 that they re signed Will for another five years? 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.840 That was the first big free agent. That's right of 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:50.320 the office. 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:55.120 Absolutely, all right, So now we'll go, yeah, what are 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:55.960 we doing at guard? 0:46:57.040 --> 0:47:01.600 Well, if we look at what's there now. 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:07.719 And let me start with this. Yeah, Connor Riley new 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.919 offensive line coach coach Cooper bb at Kansas State where 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.520 he was in tackle. That's right, and as we all know, 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.200 because he practiced shutgun snaps to his mom in his 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:24.600 backyard in Kansas City this summer, this was his first 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:29.880 time playing center. When you hear Connor Riley talking about 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:35.279 Cooper Bebe, did you get any inkling about where he 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.360 thinks Cooper Bebe might best fit long term in the NFL? 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:44.600 He mentioned it's always good to have flexibility, but then 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.200 that comes down to if you move him to guard, 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:49.400 then who's your center? 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.960 Because I think actually when they drafted Cooper Bebe in 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:57.719 the third round last April. It was with the idea 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:03.560 that eventually, whether depending on when Zach Martin retires, he 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.400 would be plugged in at right guard for Zach Martin. 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:12.080 But in the meantime he's now played center and now 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.280 got that position versatility, which puts them in a good spot. 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:18.480 And I think when the Cowboys look at it, their 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:23.239 other swing backup offensive lineman was Brock Hoffman, who had 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.600 played center but could play guard. 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.680 And then you also have TJ. Bass, who is a guard. 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.480 And I think they liked Hoffman better at guard than 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:33.760 they did at center. 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.480 And then is that based on the fact that he 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:38.279 was then filling in at the end of the year 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:43.200 at guard, or were they just did that be of 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.759 course there's a different offensive line coach, and or did 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.879 they do that because they're just not changing up. 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:52.280 To positions right, Yeah, exactly. And BB hadn't played guard, 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.360 and you got TJ. Bass that got some work at guard, 0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:01.680 and then Awesome Richards who had done both as a 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:06.560 backup guard and tackle. And I'm just wondering if they 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:11.280 turned that left tackle job up for competition between Geyiton 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:12.680 and Awesome Richards. 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:14.600 Okay, I'm just wondering. 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.719 I don't know if it'll take place, but it's a 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:17.400 new staff. 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:17.880 Okay. 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.680 You alluded to this in the last segment that the 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.400 Cowboys are kind of in the same boat, or have 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.600 been for the last couple of years, really in the 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:30.000 same boat that they were a little over a decade 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:34.040 ago when they drafted a future Hall of Famer in 0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.440 Tyron Smith. Then they drafted Travis Frederick and a future 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:41.919 Hall of Famer in Zach Martin. How does this rebuild 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.840 It doesn't compare with that. You can't compare it with that. 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:49.240 That was an ald timer. But where are they now 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:54.359 in rebuilding this offensive line? How far along are they think? 0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:57.160 And I would throw this out the key on that 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.720 is what happens with Tyler Geydon right right. They started 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.480 this rebuild actually in twenty twenty two when they drafted 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:09.120 Tyler Smith, who is now after starting at left tackle 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:13.680 by necessity his rookie year, has established himself as perhaps 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.160 a perennial Pro Bowl player at left guard. 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:20.719 And I think that as good as he is, you 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:23.480 had to be happy what BB did at center. I 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:28.799 know Terrence Steele, He's not probably a pro Bowler at 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:32.279 right tackle, but he's kind of entrenched there with a 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:36.560 contract that he has, so you got to decide what's 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.400 going on at right guard and left tackle. 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.840 And I think those are two things that they have 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.879 to look at this year. 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.600 And you know, in the draft, and I'm going to 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:49.360 beat Nate. 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:52.040 Newton to say this, but. 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:58.320 He will be a proponent of taking an offensive lineman 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:02.800 in the first two days and properly prefevably the second 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.160 the second day, or at least the first three rounds 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:11.920 to help out and to create some depth if nothing else, 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:13.880 and a guy for the future. 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:15.840 And again I'll say. 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.480 It like I said when they drafted Tyron Smith or 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.680 Tyler Smith, is that I want to tackle that can 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:26.240 play guard and then eventually end up as a tackle. 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.359 I think that's the best way to go. And I 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.040 think they'll need one of those among all the other things. 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.319 And we can do that next week on all the 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.319 decisions they have to make that will impact what they 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.760 do those first two days of the draft. 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.080 But they really need Guidon to be. 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:46.960 Yes what they got drafted to. 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.680 And they the coaches talked highly of him, and I 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:54.120 want imagine I think it was Connor Riley pointing out 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:59.399 that and he knew Guidon's background and pointed out that 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:04.360 he just hasn't played that much tackle. What fourteen games 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.040 at Oklahoma I think it was, And then on and 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.200 off here trying to start as a rookie, got hurt 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:13.080 a couple of times, missed games. 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.960 You just hope you're just not in the same position 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:20.719 that Kansas City obviously is in, right, And they drafted 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.960 the guy juan Ye Morris, who started ahead of Tyler 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.319 Geidon at Oklahoma. 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:27.319 Uh. 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.000 And then they also spent a second round draft pick 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.919 this past year in twenty twenty four on a left 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.760 tackle from BYU who wasn't able to get on the field, 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.920 and they wound up having to play their Zach Martin 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.680 and Joe Toney out at left tackle in the Super Bowl. 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.640 And you saw how that made what happened. 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.960 There, paid the price for not hitting on those draft choices. 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:52.680 And again we got to point out, and I think, 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.439 you know this another discussion for another day to get 0:52:56.480 --> 0:53:01.000 into it, but when you're they were at twenty and 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:05.000 they traded down to twenty nine, that's a second round 0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.680 great r right. Everybody looks at well, that's a first 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.279 round game. Did you bust on a first round pick? Well, 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.040 and he was like the eighth offensive tackle taken right. Yeah, 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.080 they were all taken by them, right. 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.240 So now that's why they were in the same boat 0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:23.200 when they drafted Tyler Smith where it was the last tier, 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.279 you know, the last of that tier, and they hit 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:28.600 on that. Okay, but the. 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:33.680 Percentages of hitting after probably twenty it goes down. 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:37.960 But the key on guiding is that potential. Yeah, and 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.400 tapping that potential. That's why this is such a big 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.920 off season. But it's in the weight room as well. 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.640 It's the whole it's getting his body to where he 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:52.600 can play a full seventeen game season plus, because that's 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:54.879 the other concern that I had on him coming out 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.719 is that, as you pointed out, in his two years 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.960 at Oklahoma, it only played in fourteen games and had 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.240 a problem staying on the field, and that surfaced again 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:08.800 this year. Competition committee met in Indianapolis. Stephen Jones a 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.080 part of that. You got a couple of notes from that. 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:17.400 Yeah. Rich McKay, who's the chairman of the Competition Committee, 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:24.279 said that they did discuss moving the touch back on 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:28.400 the kickoffs up to the thirty five yard line because 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:32.440 there had been so many touchbacks kicking the ball into 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:38.600 the end zone. Although the kickoff returns there were three 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.799 hundred and thirty two, he pointed out, and it was 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:46.480 a thirty two point eight percent returns and it was 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:50.000 like almost ten percent more than the year before, So 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:54.239 that part of it helped with more returns. And I 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:58.320 thought the other thing pointed out was that they used 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:03.000 the replay assist this year to help immediately for calls. 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:03.400 On the field. 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:09.040 Well they're thinking of expanding it to potentially penalties two, 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:11.360 so that was interesting. 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.919 Interesting. The other thing is. 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.799 That they're probably going to be some sort of discussion 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:22.920 on on side kicks on what to do there to 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:28.440 kind of put that back into the game somehow, some way, 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:30.399 you know. 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:33.240 It seems like it would it should be something where 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:37.879 teams have the option of doing it whenever they want 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:40.120 to do it, I know, And it's like it's kind 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.200 of like the two point conversion, but how do you. 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.600 Change where you're at. 0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.760 Or you just have to It takes out the element 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:49.959 of surprise, right right and so. 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:54.880 Oh and by the way, also moving the kickoffs back 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:58.080 to the thirty yard line to try to make it 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:01.319 a little bit more difficult to get touchbacks. 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.080 To move it back to the thirty and in addition, 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.040 the touchback rule right out to the thirty five. 0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:09.759 Yeah, my golly, we're going. 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:11.879 One way or the other words, we're going to get 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.960 kick off returns. The other thing that I think brought 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.680 up when I talked about the on site thing, there 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:23.960 was a discussion of adjusting the on side kick to 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:28.400 the fourth and fifteen or fourth and twenty conversion. 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:33.240 So I don't think the owners. I think the owners. 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:38.400 Let's see, that's a little too gunked up. That's my word, gunked. 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.640 And you could just do that in the fourth quarter. 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:46.959 It didn't go that farre. 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.439 It just said let the UFL experiment with right, see 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:54.839 how that works, sort of like the automated ball and. 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:58.600 Strike thing and the major experiment. 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:02.680 All right, got anything else? 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:06.960 No next week? 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.320 Man, can you imagine how full this green notebook is 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:10.520 going to. 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.600 Be after I'm buying and you get all the numbers, 0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.480 the real. 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:19.320 Height and start watching workouts on Thursday. Now that it 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:22.520 is and it's a prime time event now, oh. 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:28.280 Really though, so better not getting away of any of 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:33.040 our basketball our hockey games. Well, you can record it 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:36.000 our college or college basketball by the way. 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:37.760 All right, so that does it. 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:42.800 Everson says he'll be back next week, and we appreciate 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:45.840 you joining us here. Four mix shots brought to you 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.760 by Miller Lit. And at the end of the when 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:51.440 I quit talking, Mickey's gonna say go Cowboys. 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:54.880 We're going to leave that to Chris. 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.880 See you next Monday at eleven. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:00.280 Go Go Boys. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.960 This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.080 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.