1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 2: And it is a Monday here inside the SWBC podcast studio, 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: and all my things are starting to shake in the 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: National Football League. This is Mick Shots, brought to you 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: by Miller Lite without Everson Walls. He's on assignment today. 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: So I figured out where he's at. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh did you yes? 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: Where the HBCU Draft combine? 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 5: Oh? 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: This week? 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 4: And they played the game on Saturday. 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: All right, that's funny because Everson just tells us last 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: Monday that I'm not going to be here next Monday, right, 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: and didn't tell us why. We didn't pry. 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: Because I always say business however, secret government. 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: So you made it your mission the last week. Okay, 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: let's figure out wherever. 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 4: So I'm assuming because they have practices, and I'm they 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: bring guys like him there to help. 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Out, that's right, Not just to help out, not just 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: to run the practice, but to tutor some of these 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: young Draft prospects. And speaking of combines, the NFL scouting 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: combine is underway in Indianapolis, and Mickey. 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: It's out here. It is. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 4: It's a fancy green note it's. 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: The big green notebook there it is. 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 4: He didn't buy that at Walmart. 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: This is where we find five star prospects in the 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: NFL Draft fight and we've been doing it for twenty 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: years now. It goes back to the old Cowboy Channel 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: when Mickey and I discovered DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears. 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 2: The Cowboys had two first round draft picks in two 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: thousand and five. And for the loyal, long time listeners 39 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: to originally Talking Cowboys, this is the original Talking Cowboys, 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: by the way, and now mix shots. You know that 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, we not only talked to 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: the high school coach of Marcus Spears at Southern lab 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: and Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but also the high school coach 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: and I think the college coach of DeMarcus Ware. This 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: is where we told you the Cowboys are picking DeMarcus 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: Ware and Marcus Spears in the first round of that 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: two thousand and. 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: Five and we got them in the right order. 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: That's right. Unlike Bill Parcells. They got it. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 4: They must have been listening to us, right. 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: That's where it basically all started for me twenty years ago, 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: diving deep into the draft. Wow, you know, And what 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: it coincided with was I've thought about this, Why has 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: the draft become such as Parcels would put it, such 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: a cottage industry? And it really I think started with 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: the advent of YouTube and for fans to be able 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: to easily access video of all these players in college. 58 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, and where. 59 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: You could spend hours just looking at And it's gotten 60 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: obviously over the course of twenty years, much more advanced 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: than what it was in two thousand and five. But 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: I really think that is where the NFL draft, the 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: interest in the NFL draft just skyrocketed, is because of 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: the easy access to videos of these players. 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: And then I think the NFL made a really good 66 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 4: decision to move. 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: The draft around. 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, different places. 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: It was here. 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: Twenty whatever year it was, it would have been vander. 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: Esh's twenty nineteen rookie year. 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 4: I think twenty eighteen, yeah, okay, But moving it around 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: like that in different spots you engage more fans from 74 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: different places. 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think but that's once it got to draft day. 76 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's when it's the whole combine and all 77 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: that stuff. And obviously, and it was about that time 78 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: that the NFL network got started. In fact, I think 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: the Cowboys channel it was actually the precursor to the 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: NFL network. You know what happened They couldn't and the 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 2: Cowboys channel was on Comcast. 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: Cable and twenty four hours. 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: Twenty four hours in fact, we used to do during 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: the Cowboys season, we would do an hour long sports 85 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: center type Cowboys show Monday through Friday from our little 86 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: closet at Valley Ranch. And it was after that the 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: NFL network was born. In the the teams had to 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: do away with well, the one team that had its 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: own cable TV channel, the Cowboys had to do away 90 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: with the Cowboys chann I. 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 4: Remember that year somewhere we were on the road and 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: so they had told us, or I guess it would 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: have been the next year that the NFL basically went 94 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 4: to the owners and said, look, there's no sense having 95 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: a TV channel competing with the other channel you already own. 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: So we would appreciate if you didn't. 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: Have, especially as widely viewed as the Cowboys. 98 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: Channel was. 99 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: So we were in the middle of the season when 100 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: that happened. So it happened the next year and Jerry saw. 101 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Me, I don't know where we were. We were on 102 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: a road. 103 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 4: Game and he said, you know, he goes, when we 104 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: get this this this stadium thing settled, We're going to 105 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: get this this channel back. 106 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't care. What that said never came back, well, 107 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: not TV, you know what. 108 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: It came back as what you're doing right now came 109 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: back as podcast and basically you've got twenty four hour 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: access to all the Cowboys information that you want through 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: the podcast. 112 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: And now with all our cameras in here, right, we're 113 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 4: back on TV. 114 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: Go's right, all right? 115 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: So much to get to since we last convened, In fact, 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: last Tuesday, which was the last time we got together 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: after the President's Day holiday, the Cowboys coaches were all 118 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: assembled for the media to talk to and so we 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: got to get your take on what came out of that. 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: And then we had the breaking news on Thursday where 121 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: Zach Martin made it official informing the Cowboys that he 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: is calling it a Hall of Fame career, and I 123 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: think he worded it that way when he went into Jerry. 124 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: I've decided to call it a Hall of Fame career. 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've done enough since trying. 126 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: And then now we fast forward to this week and 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: we got the combine going on this week, and we're 128 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: two weeks from today. It's basically the start of NFL 129 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: free agency. 130 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: So I've got two of my tablets here full of 131 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: stuff everything that's going on. So I guess we should 132 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: start with the coaches questions that they made. 133 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: As a group. 134 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: And I know I haven't coached a game yet, right, 135 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: but a very personable group of coaches. 136 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: Very easy interviews. 137 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: And when I started listening to everybody and how they 138 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: put this staff together, I got a feeling that there 139 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: was And I said this to Schottenheimer. Now he didn't 140 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: do an interview, but I caught him off to the 141 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: side and I said, there seems to be on this 142 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: staff heavy emphasis on the offensive line and being able 143 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: to run the football. 144 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: And he goes, I think that's fair. 145 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: And if you look at the number of guys that 146 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: are or have been coordinators offensive coordinators not just him, 147 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: but not necessarily in the NFL, but between Clayton Adams, 148 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 4: Connor Riley, they added Ken Dorsey, who had been an 149 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: offensive coordinator in Cleveland and Buffalo. There's a lot of 150 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: guys that have had their hands into coordinating the offense 151 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: to help him out. But if you look at Clayton Adams, 152 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: so they named him the offensive coordinator, but he's an 153 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: offensive line coach, right And when he was asked, will 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: you have a hand in helping out on the offensive line, 155 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: and I don't think his word was absolutely, but yeah, 156 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 4: of course. And then Connor Riley had coached in college 157 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: twenty two years. He had been a coordinator, but he's 158 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: an offensive line coach. They've got an assistant offensive line 159 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: coach also on the staff with Ramon Chingyong, and there 160 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: just seems to be and then an off running backs coach. 161 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: It just seems like running the football is going to 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: be a priority. And if you look at Schottenheimer's history 163 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: as a coordinator, he's had good running teams with the 164 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: Jets and Seattle for sure. So as I was talking 165 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: to the running back the running back coach, I said 166 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: Derek Foster, Derek Foster that it looks like a priority. 167 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: He goes, it is and it will be. 168 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 4: And I said, now all you need is a running 169 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: back and he laughed, but yeah, it's I don't know 170 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 4: if that made an impression on you, but it made 171 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: an impression on me. 172 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. 173 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: And in fact, as we've talked about, you know, Schottenheimer's 174 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: team with the Jets, I mean, they made it to 175 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game with the number one ranked rushing 176 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: offense in the league back when he was the offensive 177 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: coordinator there and Mark Sanchez was a rookie quarterback coming 178 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: into the league right and then when he had Russell 179 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: Wilson with Seattle, they were also the number one rushing 180 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,119 Speaker 2: offense in the league with the Seahawks. It is interesting 181 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: as you look at the which is a very small 182 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: stable of running backs on this roster right now, and 183 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: literally induced Vaughan Hunter Lepke if you want to count 184 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: him as a as a running back to go along 185 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: with him being a fullback and an HVAC type Malik 186 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: Davis and that's it. 187 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: And so it's an open season, open market for running 189 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: backs starting in free agency two weeks from today or 190 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: maybe even prior to two weeks from today. If because 191 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: they've got one that they can go ahead and negotiate 192 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: with right now in Rico Dawdle and we'll see what happens. 193 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: And it sounded like from what Stephen Jones said at 194 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: the combine on Sunday where the competition committee was already meeting, 195 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: that Rico sounds like one of their priorities to resign, 196 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: along with Jordan Lewis and OsO Diggi Zoo, who may 197 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: be the hardest one to try to resign, but maybe 198 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: the top priority since they don't have many are hardly 199 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: any defensive tackles under contract. 200 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: Mazzie Smith and maybe there was somebody on. 201 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: The practice squad Justin Rodgers Okay, it was back. 202 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: Okay, Justin Rodgers the seventh round pick last year, and 203 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: then he came back at the end of the season. 204 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: And Denzel Dackson is the other one who is on 205 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: the roster. 206 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 4: So and Osa had a really good season. And I 207 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: think that I don't know that they do a franchise 208 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: tag on him. It's twenty three million, but they can 209 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: do a transition tag, so at least you reserve the 210 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: right of first refusal if somebody else. 211 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: It's rarely used. Teams don't normally use transition tags, but 212 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: sometimes it can be used. Effectively the issue that the 213 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: Cowboys and the transition tag. It's a little less money 214 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: than what a franchise tag would be. 215 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: But you don't get any compensation. 216 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: And who's the guy, and you can match whatever offer 217 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: that player might get on the open market. The problem 218 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: for the Cowboys is from a salary cap standpoint, if 219 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: you're gonna have Michael Parsons playing on his fifth year 220 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: option at around twenty four million dollars a year, and 221 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: obviously you know all the other salaries that are taking 222 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: up from the high dollar players on the team, can 223 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: you afford a even a plus twenty million dollar a 224 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: year transition tag on a on a defensive tackle. 225 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: And that's why that's why it's you try to do 226 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 4: a long term deal where the guy gets his money 227 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: up front, but you can spread it out and it 228 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: won't cost as much every year. 229 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: The interesting thing as far as you we just talk 230 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: running backs and we talk defensive lineman defensive tackles, and 231 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: if you listen to the so called experts on this 232 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: dret the deepest positions in this draft might be running 233 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: backs and defensive linemen. 234 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 4: Right, And so you know you can't get both in 235 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: the first round. But you got to figure out if 236 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 4: I get this here, there are enough guys at that 237 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: other position in the second and third round to help 238 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: me out. 239 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the stuff that. 240 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: We'll talk about going forward in decisions the Cowboys made. 241 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: But and the one person I can't believe I forgot this. 242 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: I think we talked about it last week, the secondary coach, 243 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: David Overstreet. Yep, I forgot that he had played in Missouri. Yeah, 244 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: he was a two time All Big twelve. 245 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: And that's his connection with Ibraflus, right, because the Eberflus 246 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: was the defensive cordon over Street played. 247 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: For him, and he had them with the Bear Yeah, 248 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: he's with the Bears. 249 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: Also, maybe with the Colts too. 250 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: But I I and I think when he was playing 251 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: with Missouri, I didn't realize it was David Overstreet's son 252 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 4: running back or the running back from Oklahoma who ended 253 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: up He was from East Texas Big Sandy, Big Sandy, 254 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: Lovey Smith's hometown and ended up first round. 255 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: David Overstreak would have been high school teammates with Lovey Smith. 256 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure back in the because he played at 257 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: Oklahoma in the late seventies, he was part of maybe 258 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: a year or two younger than Lovey, but they would 259 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: have cross paths in Big Sandy for sure. 260 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: And in the same backfield at Oklahoma with Billy Simms. 261 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: And Kenny King and Thomas Lott. 262 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: And Thomas Lott right, which should have come up on 263 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: It was Saturday. The ticket did their ticket stock. They 264 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 4: had Switzer as a guest, which is another uh segment 265 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: I need to go. He was he was unfiltered as. 266 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: Always in person. 267 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: Uh oh yeah, yeah, he was there that they must 268 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: have talked to him for an hour, it seemed like. 269 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 270 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: And he had story he had stories going with different 271 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: antennas off of it that he never got back to 272 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: the final part of the stories. 273 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: He was amazing. 274 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, I and I talked over street and I 275 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: forgot to point out that, you know, it's like, oh, 276 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: we got some Missouri connections here. 277 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: But anyway, and. 278 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: He believed he went to Samuel High School. 279 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: Yes, he did, so, he grew up in Pleasant Grove, 280 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: he said, Uh. And he has a yearly uh camp 281 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: here for uh some of the underprivileged type players kids 282 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: and uh it's uh, I think he said, July June 283 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 4: twenty first, Okay, and he's got to find a spot 284 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 4: because ever he was having I think he was having 285 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: it at the stadium, maybe at Samuel High School and 286 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: it's under construction. So he said, I got to find 287 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 4: a new place. And we were sitting there talking, I go, 288 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: there's two fields right behind it, there's transportation available. 289 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be fun, that'd be a good way of 290 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah. But otherwise on the defensive staff, Aaron 291 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: white Cotton is another guy that I'm interested in who 292 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: was with the Jets defensive line coach, and he's got 293 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: a history. Of course, he was with Robert Solo with 294 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: the Jets, and he was also with Solo with San Francisco, 295 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: and so we won't get into names per se. But 296 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: when you're looking at potential free agent types with a lot, 297 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 2: whether it's White Cotton or any other the Chicago guys 298 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: that become available, guys that these coaches have a history with, 299 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: who will come at an economical price range. I expect 300 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: the Cowboys to be, well, they can't be less active 301 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: or as inactive as they were last year in free agency, 302 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: but they got to do something in free agency this year. 303 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 2: But it's going to be those low tiered better and 304 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: there's going to be a whole bunch across the league, 305 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: these veteran free agents that are signing for less than 306 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: two million dollars a year. 307 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: Right, and you know, and they did a decent job. 308 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: You know, no one gives them credit. Eric Kendricks was 309 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 4: a hell of a free agent signing, right, and for 310 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: basically what you've just said. I think it was like 311 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 4: May three and a half three million, something like that. 312 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 4: And so, and they tried to get the nose tackle 313 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: that ended up going to Seattle Jonathan Hankins Ankins, and 314 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 4: everybody said, how could they let him get away? 315 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 3: They offered him a contract. 316 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: I was told he wanted to go to Seattle because 317 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 4: the defensive line coaches getting hired there as the defensive coordinator, 318 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: and he felt like it goes to what you just said. 319 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 4: Sometimes these guys decision is to go with a coach 320 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 4: they're familiar with and have some insurance that they're going 321 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: to get a chance to play. 322 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: And real quickly, I was just looking up Jonathan Hankins 323 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: last year with Seattle, seventeen games, eight starts. He had decent. 324 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: It was the same type season he's been having. He 325 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: had thirty tackles, and you know, he was a big 326 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: run stuffer in the middle of their defense at thirty 327 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: two years old. And as it turns out, the Cowboys 328 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: had to you know, they brought they wait till training 329 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: camp to make moves to try to enhance their defensive line. 330 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: The criticisms that Mike McCarthy had late in the season 331 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: is if we're going to bring in guys, you'd like 332 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: to have him here throughout the off season program. 333 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: Right right, And so so yeah, we'll see that how 334 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: that turns out. But you know, with with a defensive 335 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: stat Matt Eber Eberflows was able to bring in guys 336 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 4: he knew for that staff. So yeah, and everybody was, 337 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: you know, really high after talking to him, and I said, yeah, 338 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: this is great until you lose a game. You know, 339 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: you get smacked in the mouth and it's. 340 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: Like, okay, how's everybody doing. 341 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: And among the guys that he brought in from Chicago, 342 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: Andre Curtis the past game coordinator, secondary coach, Dave Borganzi 343 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: linebackers coach, and you mentioned David Overstreet as well as 344 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: secondary coach. 345 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 5: So. 346 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: You know, and Nick Sorenson the spell teams coach. He's 347 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: he's quite a talker and there's another guy. He was 348 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 4: a defensive. 349 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: Courton last year with San Francisco. 350 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: Right, and so he's been a special teams player. They 351 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: brought back Carlos Polk, who had been here as a 352 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: special team's assistant. 353 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: A couple of years ago. 354 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: So I think they've done a pretty good job putting 355 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 4: this staff together. And there's a lot of it is 356 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: who knew who right, and and the thing with Clayton Adams, 357 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: the connection that Schottenheimer had with Clayton Adams. He was 358 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: at Colorado when Mike McIntyre, the Cowboys' former defensive secondary coach, 359 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: maybe right, he was the head coach at Colorado. Schottenheimer 360 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: knew McIntyre and so he got he kept hearing from 361 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 4: McIntyre that this Clayton Adams is pretty good. 362 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: Now I'm sitting there trying to think, Okay, where would 363 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: Schottenheimer and McIntyre of cross pads And I'm gonna have 364 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: to go look through both backgrounds on them and figure 365 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: out where they But it could be they didn't. They 366 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: never worked together. There is a possibility that guys connect 367 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: with each other right outside of being on the same 368 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: staff together. 369 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: I remember my McIntyre coach. 370 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 3: Tire you know what. 371 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: Schottenheimer lives in Nashville. McIntyre's father was a head coach 372 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: of Xanderbilt. He grew up in Nashville and Bill was there, 373 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: that's right, So I bet it's a Nashville connection on 374 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: Odd McIntyre. I love Mike McIntyre. It's you know, when 375 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: he was here and then he went on to Duke 376 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: and then San Jose State and that's where Clayton Adams 377 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: was first on his staff at San Jose State and 378 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: then followed him to Colorado. 379 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 380 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of connection. So it wasn't 381 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 4: like they were just putting their hand in the hat 382 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: and drawing a name out right. There was always some 383 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: sort of connection or somebody vouching for these guys and 384 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: how good they were all. 385 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: Right, And we didn't even mention Junior Adams, the wide 386 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: receivers coach who has a great reputation as a college 387 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: receivers coach and now making the step into the NFL. 388 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: In fact, Cooper Cup just swears by him, said he 389 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: no coach in his career had more of an impact 390 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: on him than Junior Adams when he was at Eastern Washington. 391 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with bringing some fresh ideas. 392 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 3: I love it. 393 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: I love the energy because there's a mix of experience 394 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: and youth on this staff. And as it relates to 395 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: the draft, where you've got guys who have as recently 396 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: as two months ago coached in college and they're very 397 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: familiar with the players, either they they themselves coached, or 398 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: they went up against or they tried to recruit the 399 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: exactly and not only out of high school, but out 400 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 2: of the porch. We know how much the coaches are 401 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: involved in the draft process here, and so that can 402 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 2: be big and just communication and plus they as you 403 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: mentioned off the top, they all seem to be really 404 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: good communicators. Yeah, and have a want to to let 405 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: the scouting staff know this is what I'm looking for 406 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: in a player and so forth. 407 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: You know, when I asked people their impression of the 408 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 4: coaching staff, and you just mentioned the word, they said energy. 409 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: It's like, hey, we're here to prove ourselves and these 410 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: guys are. Not to say the other staff wasn't fired up, 411 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: but a lot of energy and emotion on this staff. 412 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 4: And one person told me when I asked about Schottenheimer 413 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: and one of the other's assistants what they knew about 414 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 4: them or what they felt that they did best, and 415 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: the word was teacher. 416 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: So and I think that's a big part of it, 417 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: is being able to connect with the players. 418 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so so having to put together almost an 419 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: entirely new staff, it looks like at this point they've 420 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: done a pretty good job. 421 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: All Right, We're gonna talk Zach Martin when we come 422 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: back here on mix shots in just a moment. 423 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 6: Cowboys Football and Miller Lite. 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I was in the 486 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: Morning News this morning and as now making the rounds 487 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: on social media that it looks like Cowboys moving on 488 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: from Trey Lance, but they are Steven Jones indicating that 489 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: they have thoughts of drafting a quarterback. 490 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 4: And obviously they were going to do that. I would 491 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: imagine even if, well even if they keep or try 492 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 4: to resign Cooper Rush, you need another. 493 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: And I think the quote on Cooper Rush is obviously, 494 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: if you're paying the starter what the Cowboys are paying 495 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, the money is tight as far as signing 496 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: a veteran free agent. They love Cooper and it's just 497 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: we're just gonna have to see where where the market 498 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: goes on Cooper. 499 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: Rush market value. 500 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: And you know, and I think when teams understand the 501 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 4: importance of having a backup quarterback that can at least 502 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 4: hold down the fort if you lose your starter, and 503 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: who knows, somebody may look at him and say, well, 504 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 4: if we don't get somebody in the draft, we like, 505 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: maybe he's our starter until someone else is developed or 506 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: comes along. So yeah, market Valley is gonna decide a 507 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: lot of things for the Cowboys. 508 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: And when you look at this draft and so what 509 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: we're talking about here is a third day quarterback you 510 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: would imagine, but when you now it's not out of 511 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: the question, and you can make some moves whatever, pick 512 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: up an extra draft pick, and if there's somebody that 513 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: you like in the third round, whatever, because when you 514 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: look at Dax contract, you need someone you would love 515 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: to have a situation like what Detroit had this year 516 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: where they had Jared Goff, they had drafted Hinton Hooker 517 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: and Hooker never gets on the field, but he is 518 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: a developmental quarterback that you have spent a second day 519 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: draft pick on. And then it got to the end 520 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: of the season and Detroit was like, you know what 521 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: if our quarterback goes down in the playoffs. I don't 522 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: know that we want to throw this young guy in there, 523 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: and so they signed Teddy Bridgewater late this season. 524 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: But you would love to have. 525 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: Someone who you're grooming to be the eventual replacement once 526 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: your starter gets up there in years and gets even 527 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: retirement age. 528 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 4: But if you think that was the Cowboys philosophy when 529 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: they drafted Dak Prescott, right, yeah, that's right. They had 530 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 4: Kellen Moore as the veteran backup and it's like, Okay, 531 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 4: maybe this guy can developed to be the backup to 532 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: Tony Romo and then lo and behold. 533 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: Everybody gets hurt and Dak Prescott. So you're and what 534 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: was he? 535 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: He was the number one thirty five pick in the 536 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: draft in the fourth round, so I think their second 537 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: fourth round behind Charles Tappan. And so that is the 538 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: area you're probably looking at. And when you look at 539 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: this this quarterback draft, there could be someone like that 540 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: in the fourth round. So we'll see. 541 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: And you've got basically two quarterback coaches with Ken Dorsey 542 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 4: also to help out, so that that certainly, you know. 543 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 3: I would I would think they're somebody. 544 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: They are in the market, just like it running back, 545 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: they're in the market for a veteran backup quarterback as 546 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 2: well as if it's not crack brush right and a veteran, 547 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: I'm talking about a guy that's not making much money, 548 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: right yeah, or needs a job all right, So Zach Martin, 549 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't think any of us were surprised with the announcement, 550 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: and the Cowboys not caught off guard. But it you 551 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: knew it was going to come eventually. Just the way 552 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: things played out last season, it seemed obvious. And then 553 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: after his Zach Martin's ankle surgery, he wanted to give 554 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: it time just to make sure. But apparently he went 555 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: into Jerry's office on Thursday and said it's time. 556 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 4: And the Cowboys had braced for this when they restructured 557 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 4: his contract last year to save some cap money and 558 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 4: push it down the road. And one of the things 559 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 4: that I think got overlooked when they restructured his contract 560 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 4: is they added a couple voided years, but the voidable 561 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 4: year for this year he had a one point two 562 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: million dollar base salary. So they did that because while 563 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: he has basically told them he wants to retire, nothing's official. 564 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: And what the Cowboys are going to do. 565 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 4: Is release him once the league year starts and make 566 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 4: him a June one cut. That gives them the opportunity 567 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 4: to spread out the dead money that would take place 568 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 4: in one year if he just retired and left. So 569 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 4: his debt money's going to be significant. It's a total 570 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: over two years of twenty six million dollars. So I 571 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 4: think they take a nine around a nine year, a 572 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 4: nine million dollar hit this year and the rest next year. 573 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 4: So they were kind of preparing. 574 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: For this now according to over the cap. Now you 575 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: tell me whether I'm reading this correct. 576 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 4: I know they've got it nine million in nine. 577 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: Million and then and then in Okay, so what they 578 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: have is nine point four million in twenty twenty five. 579 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: This is with Zach Martin being a post Une first cut, 580 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 2: nine point four million again in twenty twenty six, four 581 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: point four million in twenty seven, and three point twenty 582 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: five million in twenty eight. 583 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: That's that all comes seven next year, goes seventeen million 584 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 4: next year next year. 585 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 586 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: That's the way it was explained to me. Okay. 587 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 4: So so yeah, so you know when when everybody says that, well, 588 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 4: the Cowboys don't know how to manage their cap, well, 589 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 4: when you restructure bonuses to keep your guys. That money 590 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 4: gets spread down the road, and when they leave or 591 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: the contracts up, you still got to account for the 592 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: pro ration. 593 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 594 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 4: And the same thing's going to take place with DeMarcus 595 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 4: Lawrence if he's not here or if he decides to 596 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: also retire, although he kind of intimated to me that 597 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 4: he wants to still. 598 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: Play, and then let me correct myself on that. You're 599 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: exactly right, and it says it on the over the 600 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: cap website as well. The cap number, right is the 601 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: cap number actually as a post June first cut is 602 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 2: ten point six five million for this year and then 603 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: it's seventeen point oh six million for next year. 604 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it costs. 605 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 2: So now if you don't designate him a June first 606 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: cut and it is twenty twenty six point four to six. 607 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 3: Million, yeah, I rounded it off. 608 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, so I think, you know, good for him. 609 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 4: A lot of guys when their careers are done, they 610 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 4: either are told they're done or you have an injury 611 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 4: that ends it. He's been able to make his own 612 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 4: decision like this is what I want to do. He's 613 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 4: played eleven years at an awfully high level, married three kids. 614 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: I think he's very satisfied for what he did. And 615 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 4: I got an opportunity to talk to Jason Garrett. And 616 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 4: if you guys remember Jason when he took over as 617 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 4: head coach, realized that the one thing they needed to do, 618 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 4: and this kind of corresponds with what's going on now, 619 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 4: they needed to rebuild the offensive line. In one year 620 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 4: twenty ten, they got old and expensive and they had 621 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 4: to start moving on for guys. So if you remember 622 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 4: twenty eleven, ninth picking the draft, they take Tyron. 623 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 2: Smith, could be an announcement from him coming soon. 624 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because he's probably close to the end. In 625 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, they traded down. They got Travis Frederick, your 626 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 4: starting center, and also to go along with the trade down, 627 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: you got a starting wide receiver, Terrence Williams. 628 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 3: That same year. 629 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: And then twenty fourteen, and this is the part that 630 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 4: everybody does it everybody remembers that, Oh, Johnny Manziel was there. Well, 631 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 4: Jason reminded me that they were looking for defense in 632 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 4: that draft. The first guy they were looking at was, 633 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 4: by the way, Anthony Barr, linebacker out of Ucla. He 634 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 4: went number eleven to Minnesota. Their next guy they were 635 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 4: looking at was Aaron Donald. He went number thirteen to 636 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 4: the Rams, and then they were all prepared at sixteen 637 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 4: to take Ryan Shazier out of Ohio State, the linebacker, 638 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 4: and at fifteen Pittsburgh took him. And so now they're 639 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 4: at sixteen, and it was like what to do? 640 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: What to do? 641 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 4: And Jason basically said, there was a blinking light out there. 642 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 4: Zach Martin. Zach Martin. Zach Martin was the kind of 643 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: the quote, he told me. And so after that brief 644 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 4: conversation about Johnny Manziel, they decided that this guy, he said, 645 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 4: there was a consensus in the room that you couldn't 646 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 4: pass up Zach Martin, and they rebuilt that offensive line. 647 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 4: And I've got a SoundBite here from Jason when I 648 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 4: asked him, what, how do you describe the makeup of 649 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 4: Zach Martin who ended up playing eleven years for the Cowboys, 650 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 4: nine Pro Bowl or Pro Bowls, And here's what he 651 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 4: had to say. 652 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 5: The last thing memory I will always have of Zach 653 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 5: Martin is we've driven the ball down the field a 654 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 5: mix of run and paths. We get down in their clothes, 655 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 5: we run it in with Zeke Elliott, you know, right 656 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 5: behind him and just his look when he comes running 657 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 5: off the field, and the smile that he has on 658 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 5: his face, and the love that he has for the 659 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 5: game and playing and his teammates and all of that 660 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 5: was just remarkable to me. And and and you know, 661 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 5: I saw it so much, this look that he had, like, God, 662 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 5: I absolutely love playing football and and so for me, 663 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 5: that was such a distinguishing trait for him. And and 664 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 5: and trust me, we tried to build our team with 665 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 5: guys who are absolutely like that, passionate about the game, 666 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 5: work hard, all the stuff. You know. He used to 667 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 5: hear me talk about the right kind of guy, that's 668 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 5: what we're looking for, and he just embodied that. 669 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 4: Jason Garrett on Zach Martin, and I thought that pretty 670 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 4: much summed it up, because you know, if you remember 671 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 4: even during the week or after games, when you interviewed 672 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 4: Zach Martin, he had this look in his eyes, right, 673 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 4: and it's like very intentional he did. 674 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: He just loved playing football. 675 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 2: Now, the lasting memory I will have of not only 676 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 2: Zach Martin, but Tyrone Smith and for that matter, Travis 677 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 2: Frederick is a Cowboys training camp and they would all 678 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 2: walk on the field together. 679 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 4: And it was like Okay, it was like the charge 680 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 4: of the light brigade, right, all three together, Uh huh. Yeah, 681 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 4: I had to be intimidating for the opponent when you 682 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 4: have those three walking in together. And it was a 683 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 4: pretty good offensive line that they added the next year 684 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 4: Leale Collins, who ended up being, because of circumstances, a 685 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 4: free agent signing, and they rebuilt that offensive line and 686 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 4: what happened They were able to run the football right, 687 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: and was it important? And Jason said, did you watch 688 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl? 689 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 2: Right? It's still important. 690 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 4: It's still important, old school football, right, And then he 691 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 4: had Ron Leary also on that offense. 692 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 693 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 2: Line in twenty sixteen and Doug free was was the 694 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 2: right tackle going back to the early time when they 695 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 2: first came and. 696 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 4: Ended up being a holdover from that line ended up 697 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 4: getting pretty you know, flows Al Adams got a little 698 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 4: bit in age. 699 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 3: Kozier was there, koz are how's are yeah? So yeah? 700 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, what a career? What a career? 701 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 2: Put it Here's this puts it in perspective. There are 702 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 2: three Cowboys in the history of the organization who were 703 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 2: named First team All Pro seven times in their career. 704 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: And those three, two of them are first ballot Hall 705 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 2: of Famers, right, Bob Lilly and Randy White, and Zach 706 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 2: Martin is the third one. 707 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 4: And the only offensive lineman they had with more than 708 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 4: nine Pro Bowls was Larry Allen with ten. He had 709 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 4: more than rayphiel Wright. 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I need to start 766 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 3: putting commas and period. 767 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: Okay. Twenty fourteen Draft Jack Martin first round and then 768 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 2: what the Cowboys do in the second round. 769 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,240 Speaker 3: They traded traded up. 770 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 2: For de Marcus Lawrence. That's pretty good. And that who's 771 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 2: used the third round. 772 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 3: By the way, who. 773 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 2: Was running that draft for the first time in his career, 774 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 2: Will McLay. That was his first home. That's first draft 775 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 2: with him in control of it. Twenty fourteen. 776 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 4: Did we ever point out in one of the shows 777 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 4: that they re signed Will for another five years? 778 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 3: That was the first big free agent. That's right of 779 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 3: the office. 780 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, all right, So now we'll go, yeah, what are 781 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 4: we doing at guard? 782 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 3: Well, if we look at what's there now. 783 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 2: And let me start with this. Yeah, Connor Riley new 784 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,919 Speaker 2: offensive line coach coach Cooper bb at Kansas State where 785 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 2: he was in tackle. That's right, and as we all know, 786 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 2: because he practiced shutgun snaps to his mom in his 787 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 2: backyard in Kansas City this summer, this was his first 788 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 2: time playing center. When you hear Connor Riley talking about 789 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 2: Cooper Bebe, did you get any inkling about where he 790 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 2: thinks Cooper Bebe might best fit long term in the NFL? 791 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 4: He mentioned it's always good to have flexibility, but then 792 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 4: that comes down to if you move him to guard, 793 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 4: then who's your center? 794 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 2: Because I think actually when they drafted Cooper Bebe in 795 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 2: the third round last April. It was with the idea 796 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 2: that eventually, whether depending on when Zach Martin retires, he 797 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,400 Speaker 2: would be plugged in at right guard for Zach Martin. 798 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 2: But in the meantime he's now played center and now 799 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 2: got that position versatility, which puts them in a good spot. 800 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 4: And I think when the Cowboys look at it, their 801 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 4: other swing backup offensive lineman was Brock Hoffman, who had 802 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 4: played center but could play guard. 803 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 3: And then you also have TJ. Bass, who is a guard. 804 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 4: And I think they liked Hoffman better at guard than 805 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 4: they did at center. 806 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 2: And then is that based on the fact that he 807 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 2: was then filling in at the end of the year 808 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 2: at guard, or were they just did that be of 809 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 2: course there's a different offensive line coach, and or did 810 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 2: they do that because they're just not changing up. 811 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 4: To positions right, Yeah, exactly. And BB hadn't played guard, 812 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 4: and you got TJ. Bass that got some work at guard, 813 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 4: and then Awesome Richards who had done both as a 814 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 4: backup guard and tackle. And I'm just wondering if they 815 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 4: turned that left tackle job up for competition between Geyiton 816 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 4: and Awesome Richards. 817 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just wondering. 818 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 4: I don't know if it'll take place, but it's a 819 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 4: new staff. 820 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 3: Okay. 821 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 2: You alluded to this in the last segment that the 822 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 2: Cowboys are kind of in the same boat, or have 823 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 2: been for the last couple of years, really in the 824 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 2: same boat that they were a little over a decade 825 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 2: ago when they drafted a future Hall of Famer in 826 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 2: Tyron Smith. Then they drafted Travis Frederick and a future 827 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,919 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer in Zach Martin. How does this rebuild 828 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't compare with that. You can't compare it with that. 829 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,240 Speaker 2: That was an ald timer. But where are they now 830 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 2: in rebuilding this offensive line? How far along are they think? 831 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 2: And I would throw this out the key on that 832 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,720 Speaker 2: is what happens with Tyler Geydon right right. They started 833 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 2: this rebuild actually in twenty twenty two when they drafted 834 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 2: Tyler Smith, who is now after starting at left tackle 835 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 2: by necessity his rookie year, has established himself as perhaps 836 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 2: a perennial Pro Bowl player at left guard. 837 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 4: And I think that as good as he is, you 838 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 4: had to be happy what BB did at center. I 839 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 4: know Terrence Steele, He's not probably a pro Bowler at 840 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 4: right tackle, but he's kind of entrenched there with a 841 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 4: contract that he has, so you got to decide what's 842 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 4: going on at right guard and left tackle. 843 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 3: And I think those are two things that they have 844 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 3: to look at this year. 845 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 4: And you know, in the draft, and I'm going to 846 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 4: beat Nate. 847 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 3: Newton to say this, but. 848 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,320 Speaker 4: He will be a proponent of taking an offensive lineman 849 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 4: in the first two days and properly prefevably the second 850 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 4: the second day, or at least the first three rounds 851 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 4: to help out and to create some depth if nothing else, 852 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 4: and a guy for the future. 853 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 3: And again I'll say. 854 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 4: It like I said when they drafted Tyron Smith or 855 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 4: Tyler Smith, is that I want to tackle that can 856 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,240 Speaker 4: play guard and then eventually end up as a tackle. 857 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to go. And I 858 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 4: think they'll need one of those among all the other things. 859 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 4: And we can do that next week on all the 860 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 4: decisions they have to make that will impact what they 861 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,760 Speaker 4: do those first two days of the draft. 862 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 2: But they really need Guidon to be. 863 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 3: Yes what they got drafted to. 864 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 4: And they the coaches talked highly of him, and I 865 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 4: want imagine I think it was Connor Riley pointing out 866 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 4: that and he knew Guidon's background and pointed out that 867 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 4: he just hasn't played that much tackle. What fourteen games 868 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 4: at Oklahoma I think it was, And then on and 869 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 4: off here trying to start as a rookie, got hurt 870 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 4: a couple of times, missed games. 871 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 2: You just hope you're just not in the same position 872 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 2: that Kansas City obviously is in, right, And they drafted 873 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 2: the guy juan Ye Morris, who started ahead of Tyler 874 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 2: Geidon at Oklahoma. 875 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 8: Uh. 876 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 2: And then they also spent a second round draft pick 877 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,919 Speaker 2: this past year in twenty twenty four on a left 878 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,760 Speaker 2: tackle from BYU who wasn't able to get on the field, 879 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 2: and they wound up having to play their Zach Martin 880 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 2: and Joe Toney out at left tackle in the Super Bowl. 881 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 2: And you saw how that made what happened. 882 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 4: There, paid the price for not hitting on those draft choices. 883 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 4: And again we got to point out, and I think, 884 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,439 Speaker 4: you know this another discussion for another day to get 885 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 4: into it, but when you're they were at twenty and 886 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 4: they traded down to twenty nine, that's a second round 887 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 4: great r right. Everybody looks at well, that's a first 888 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 4: round game. Did you bust on a first round pick? Well, 889 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 4: and he was like the eighth offensive tackle taken right. Yeah, 890 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 4: they were all taken by them, right. 891 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,240 Speaker 2: So now that's why they were in the same boat 892 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 2: when they drafted Tyler Smith where it was the last tier, 893 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 2: you know, the last of that tier, and they hit 894 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 2: on that. Okay, but the. 895 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 4: Percentages of hitting after probably twenty it goes down. 896 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 2: But the key on guiding is that potential. Yeah, and 897 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 2: tapping that potential. That's why this is such a big 898 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 2: off season. But it's in the weight room as well. 899 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 2: It's the whole it's getting his body to where he 900 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 2: can play a full seventeen game season plus, because that's 901 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,879 Speaker 2: the other concern that I had on him coming out 902 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 2: is that, as you pointed out, in his two years 903 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 2: at Oklahoma, it only played in fourteen games and had 904 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 2: a problem staying on the field, and that surfaced again 905 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,800 Speaker 2: this year. Competition committee met in Indianapolis. Stephen Jones a 906 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 2: part of that. You got a couple of notes from that. 907 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Rich McKay, who's the chairman of the Competition Committee, 908 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 4: said that they did discuss moving the touch back on 909 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 4: the kickoffs up to the thirty five yard line because 910 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 4: there had been so many touchbacks kicking the ball into 911 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 4: the end zone. Although the kickoff returns there were three 912 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,799 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty two, he pointed out, and it was 913 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 4: a thirty two point eight percent returns and it was 914 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 4: like almost ten percent more than the year before, So 915 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 4: that part of it helped with more returns. And I 916 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,320 Speaker 4: thought the other thing pointed out was that they used 917 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 4: the replay assist this year to help immediately for calls. 918 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 3: On the field. 919 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 4: Well they're thinking of expanding it to potentially penalties two, 920 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,360 Speaker 4: so that was interesting. 921 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 3: Interesting. The other thing is. 922 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 4: That they're probably going to be some sort of discussion 923 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 4: on on side kicks on what to do there to 924 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 4: kind of put that back into the game somehow, some way, 925 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:30,399 Speaker 4: you know. 926 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 2: It seems like it would it should be something where 927 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,879 Speaker 2: teams have the option of doing it whenever they want 928 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 2: to do it, I know, And it's like it's kind 929 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 2: of like the two point conversion, but how do you. 930 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 4: Change where you're at. 931 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,760 Speaker 2: Or you just have to It takes out the element 932 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,959 Speaker 2: of surprise, right right and so. 933 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, also moving the kickoffs back 934 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 4: to the thirty yard line to try to make it 935 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 4: a little bit more difficult to get touchbacks. 936 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 2: To move it back to the thirty and in addition, 937 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 2: the touchback rule right out to the thirty five. 938 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, my golly, we're going. 939 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,879 Speaker 4: One way or the other words, we're going to get 940 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 4: kick off returns. The other thing that I think brought 941 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 4: up when I talked about the on site thing, there 942 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 4: was a discussion of adjusting the on side kick to 943 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 4: the fourth and fifteen or fourth and twenty conversion. 944 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,240 Speaker 3: So I don't think the owners. I think the owners. 945 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 3: Let's see, that's a little too gunked up. That's my word, gunked. 946 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 2: And you could just do that in the fourth quarter. 947 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,959 Speaker 3: It didn't go that farre. 948 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,439 Speaker 4: It just said let the UFL experiment with right, see 949 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 4: how that works, sort of like the automated ball and. 950 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 3: Strike thing and the major experiment. 951 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 2: All right, got anything else? 952 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 3: No next week? 953 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 2: Man, can you imagine how full this green notebook is 954 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 2: going to. 955 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 4: Be after I'm buying and you get all the numbers, 956 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 4: the real. 957 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 2: Height and start watching workouts on Thursday. Now that it 958 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 2: is and it's a prime time event now, oh. 959 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 4: Really though, so better not getting away of any of 960 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 4: our basketball our hockey games. Well, you can record it 961 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 4: our college or college basketball by the way. 962 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 3: All right, so that does it. 963 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 2: Everson says he'll be back next week, and we appreciate 964 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 2: you joining us here. Four mix shots brought to you 965 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 2: by Miller Lit. And at the end of the when 966 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 2: I quit talking, Mickey's gonna say go Cowboys. 967 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 4: We're going to leave that to Chris. 968 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 2: See you next Monday at eleven. 969 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 3: Go Go Boys. 970 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 971 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.