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Speaker 1: Hi and Jeannie Chanzano. And four months after the insurrection

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Speaker 1: on the Capitol, we learned today Senate Minority Leader mcconnellist

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Speaker 1: about that, the violence and Gaza, and we'll also year

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Speaker 1: from former Pennsylvania Governor Mark Schweiker, and I am Janie

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Speaker 1: Schanzano and coming up on the show today, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be joined on the panel by Lester Munson, principal

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Speaker 1: at the b GR Group and Mark Schweiker, former Governor

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Speaker 1: And yesterday as we saw President Biden at the Forward

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Speaker 1: pushing his infrastructure bill. He even took a test drive

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Speaker 1: of Ford's new all electric F one fifty that's being

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Speaker 1: West Virginia Senator Shelley Moore Capital Capital about her role

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Speaker 1: this bipartisan approach to infrastructure. Senator Capital told David that

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks are going to be critical to

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Speaker 1: And Republicans. We have sound on that. We did have

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Speaker 1: with a repurposing of our original proposal, so whether you

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Speaker 1: we could again look at definition ly where we believe

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Speaker 1: two sides are moving toward one another. Your original proposals,

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Speaker 1: not sure where we The best way to look at

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Speaker 1: so we're going to fill in those gaps for sure. Uh. Senator.

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Speaker 1: well as the as the tax substitute for gasoline tax

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Speaker 1: we're working towards surface transportation, which is really the anchor

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Speaker 1: Last Thursday, we release guides that demonstrated for an individual

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Speaker 1: who is able, who is fully vaccinated and not immuno

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Speaker 1: compromise that they are able to safely unmask UM with

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Speaker 1: the exceptions UM certainly exceptions of course in travel corridors,

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Speaker 1: healthcare settings, UM that if you are an individual, you

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Speaker 1: can safely unmask if you're fully vaccinated in and out,

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Speaker 1: inside and outside. So so, Governor, in the forty seconds

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Speaker 1: we have left, Um, what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: CDC's guidance here and how are things in your home

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Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania. Well, I think CDC slowed to the draw.

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Speaker 1: I think you in public as well ahead. I think

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Speaker 1: in a very thoughtful way, most can be counted on

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Speaker 1: to comport themselves in a responsible way. And when they're outside,

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Speaker 1: they're not wearing mask. I mean, it's a beautiful day

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Speaker 1: as we get ready for the summer and Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: weekend coming, I think they've made their own decision that

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Speaker 1: they're going to be responsible, respect the wishes of others

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Speaker 1: in and in in select settings, Uh, if need be,

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Speaker 1: wear the mask. But I think day by day by day,

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Speaker 1: the American public has decided has decreed, uh, no more masks,

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Speaker 1: and they still can help in a civic sense keep

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Speaker 1: their community safe when they make that kind of thoughtful decision.

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Speaker 1: And Governor, it is a beautiful day, and you just

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Speaker 1: got me very excited for a Memorial Day. Um, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be speaking more with the former governor about his editorial,

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Speaker 1: which is fascinating and also obviously get Lester's reaction to

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Speaker 1: that and more of the news today, including the President's

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Speaker 1: reaction to what is going on in the Gaza Strep.

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Speaker 1: I am Jeanie Schanzano and this is Bloomberg. This is

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg Radio, and I am Jeanie Chanzano,

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Speaker 1: and I'm here with Lester Munson, principle of the b

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Speaker 1: GR Group and former Governor of Pennsylvania Mark Schweiker, who

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Speaker 1: also is a senior vice president at ren Matrix, Inc.

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Speaker 1: And Governor. I wanted to talk to you a little

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Speaker 1: bit about this really moving piece you wrote in the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Inquirer. I think it was published yesterday. If I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, about the approaching twenty anniversary of the nine

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Speaker 1: eleven attacks and your efforts to see those responsible finally

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Speaker 1: be brought to justice for their crimes. Can you talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your are thinking in the piece

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Speaker 1: that you published in the Inquirer? Sure well, Jennie, it's

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Speaker 1: really about honoring the memory and supporting the families of

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Speaker 1: three thousand people that died uh that fateful day in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one on nine eleven. It's about reminding,

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Speaker 1: at least in Pennsylvania, that we that forty two children

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Speaker 1: lost parents that day and since Uh, you know, we've

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Speaker 1: had ten thousand first responders who are deal with things

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Speaker 1: dealing with a variety of cancer challenges as a result

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Speaker 1: of fighting uh, and the work they did on the

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Speaker 1: pile in Manhattan. So uh, it's it's difficult to ponder it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's stunning to know that here it is almost

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Speaker 1: twenty years after these four airplanes. Uh. Interestingly, you know,

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Speaker 1: two American airliners to United Airliners. Uh. You know, if anything,

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Speaker 1: kale Chik Mohammed was mindful of symbolism, and thus he

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Speaker 1: chose those those those four planes and those two airlines

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Speaker 1: s anonymous with the United States of America. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: all that they wrought that day. That the trial date

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Speaker 1: has not been reset and so uh and and k

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Speaker 1: said himself was apprehended seventeen years ago in Pakistan, just

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Speaker 1: a few years after not eleven itself in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one. And yet Uh, it's troubling to to see

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Speaker 1: that the judicial system is not moving. The wheels are

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Speaker 1: stopped figuratively speaking. So it's really uh, in honoring the

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Speaker 1: families and the survivors, a respectful attempt to raise with

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Speaker 1: the big heart at Joe Biden. And he does have

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Speaker 1: a big heart, and we know that, and he's dealt

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Speaker 1: with quite a bit of loss in his own life.

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Speaker 1: And I say that respectfully, UH, to remind he as

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Speaker 1: the president that this is a task that is at

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Speaker 1: this moment undone, and let's get about the business of

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Speaker 1: completing the trial. And in your peace you note that Justice,

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting what you wrote here, Justice, enclosure can only

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Speaker 1: happen when the Biden administration finally does what its predecessors

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Speaker 1: did not bring to trial the mastermind of these attacks.

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Speaker 1: So why hasn't I mean, it is stunning, And we

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Speaker 1: of course know that you came into office as a

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Speaker 1: result of the attacks, you became governor as a result.

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Speaker 1: But twenty years later, why hasn't this happened yet? How

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Speaker 1: do we make sense of that? Well, it's a mystery

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Speaker 1: to many of us who UH, so to speak, we're

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Speaker 1: on the front lines and really believed that as the

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Speaker 1: months in the years, UH would come at us. And

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Speaker 1: the nine eleven commission work was completed, and you know,

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Speaker 1: all but pointed to finger at not all but pointed

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Speaker 1: to finger made it quite clear. Then K. S M

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Speaker 1: himself acknowledged his role and responsibilities. And this uh in

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Speaker 1: uh in in numerous interrogations that I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: one on assailable point of view that that answers that question.

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Speaker 1: Uh there have been references to uh other countries being

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Speaker 1: involved in the recruitment of the tourists. Uh there has

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Speaker 1: and as we all know, a year and a half ago,

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Speaker 1: and it certainly made sense at the time, but no,

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Speaker 1: uh no. More appealing was that the pandemic hit us

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Speaker 1: and the date had to be reset. That mean, for

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Speaker 1: accuracy sake, the date was set and it was to

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Speaker 1: be posted. It was postponed, but no date has been

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Speaker 1: circled and thus the editorial piece. So I don't have

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Speaker 1: any insight to that mystery. And Lester, as we talk

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Speaker 1: about nine eleven in the anniversary this year, of course,

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Speaker 1: another big thing that is supposed to be occurring that day,

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Speaker 1: including commemoration of nine eleven, is that we will finally

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Speaker 1: be withdrawing from Afghanistan. And what is your view on

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Speaker 1: the president's move visa the Afghanistan and of course the

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Speaker 1: governor's call for a trial date to finally be set

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Speaker 1: or the trial to finally occur for those who masterminded it. Jenny, first,

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Speaker 1: let me thank the governor for writing the up ED.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very timely. It's incredible that this hasn't

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Speaker 1: already happened. Bravo to you, sir, for for writing that.

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Speaker 1: I went to high school with Todd Biemer, who was

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Speaker 1: on Flight ninety three, and you know, I still get

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Speaker 1: pretty emotional about the whole thing and really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: kind of surfacing this issue. I think it's really important. Jenny,

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Speaker 1: um um Afghanistan. I am of two minds. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's going to be a very problematic for the

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Speaker 1: US and our interests after the withdrawal of our forces.

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Speaker 1: Things do not look good in Afghanistan. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: I confessed to being rather sympathetic to the view that, um,

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Speaker 1: we've been there for a very long time. We may

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Speaker 1: have lost sight of the mission over time, and um uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily a bad thing to be pulling

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Speaker 1: out of there if we can make arrangements strategically to

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Speaker 1: position our folks in a way that allows us to

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Speaker 1: respond if something bad does happen Afghanistan and to support

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Speaker 1: democratic forces there the most skeptical of that can happen.

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Speaker 1: But I'm really a kind of two minds. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I'm not more definitive on that question, and I think

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Speaker 1: many of us are. I'm so empathetic to that view.

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Speaker 1: I know, I've talked to so many people, and Governor,

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Speaker 1: I would just ask you, as somebody who's thought so

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Speaker 1: much about these issues. As President Biden made the decision

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Speaker 1: to withdraw these troops, do you think he is making

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Speaker 1: the right move? And he is facing some pushback from

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Speaker 1: people who say that leaving troops there and ensuring the

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Speaker 1: safety of women in particular and children who are likely

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Speaker 1: to incur and and be subject to a good deal

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Speaker 1: of violence after we we leave it, we probably should

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Speaker 1: be staying. What is your view on that? Well? Individually speaking,

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Speaker 1: and the presidents in a tough spot, as all presidents

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Speaker 1: have been, who have wrestled with this deployment given the

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Speaker 1: raucous political and on the ground affairs of Afghanistan. My

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Speaker 1: feeling is, I think, you know, the uppermost in our

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Speaker 1: mind ought to be the American public, their appetite for

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Speaker 1: their sense of backing the compact for being deployed there,

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Speaker 1: and fighting militarily. I think that is dissipated. I think

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Speaker 1: it is time to withdraw. Uh. Jeannie, My heart goes

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Speaker 1: out to UH. You know, the the the women and

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Speaker 1: the the the young women and girls in Afghanistan who

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Speaker 1: are denied, as we know, UH, formal education simply because

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Speaker 1: of a of a certain point of view. UH. It

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Speaker 1: helps with economy building when education is offered. Is we've

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Speaker 1: so richly endowed and noticed here in our U s

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Speaker 1: so UH. All that being said, I think it's best

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Speaker 1: that we do exit the It's not been successful, UH

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Speaker 1: lost an awful lot. And so I I believe that

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Speaker 1: the president uh is being the president, time to make decision.

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Speaker 1: Time to exit. And I want to ask you in

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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes we have remaining, asked both of

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Speaker 1: you to just reflect on another part of the world

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Speaker 1: where the president is um, you know, dealing with with

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Speaker 1: the violence UM in Israel and the valanced between I

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Speaker 1: should say Israel and Palestine. UM. We know that despite

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Speaker 1: growing pressure that for a ceasefire that has not happened yet.

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Speaker 1: And speaking to foreign ambassadors at the Israeli Defense Ministry today,

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin yet Yah, who blamed a Moss for

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Speaker 1: the violence and said they will continue to crack down

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Speaker 1: on the militant group. And we have sound on that

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Speaker 1: this is not merely a question of israel security. It's

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Speaker 1: a question of our common security and our common interests

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East. There are only two ways that

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Speaker 1: you can deal with them. You can either conquer them,

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Speaker 1: and that's always an open possibility, or you can deter them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we are engaged right now in forceful deterrence. But

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Speaker 1: I have to say, we don't rule out anything. So Leicester,

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Speaker 1: in the thirty seconds we have left, is President Biden

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Speaker 1: his quiet diplomacy the right approach here? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's probably the only realistic approach. We don't. We don't.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to have a kind of informs on

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Speaker 1: this decision. Our envoy over there, while very competent, is

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Speaker 1: fairly low double. I hope the President is working like

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Speaker 1: crazy behind the scenes talking to key leaders to bring

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Speaker 1: this thing to an end quickly. Uh, Benjamin Mattia, who

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Speaker 1: is not wrong. This is Hamassa's fault. Um. And I

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Speaker 1: having said that, I hope it's it's over very quickly.

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Speaker 1: And I want to just echo that we all hope

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Speaker 1: it's over so quickly, and the president continues to be

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Speaker 1: under pressure, particularly by members of the progressive flank of

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Speaker 1: his party, to take a more forceful approach, so we'll

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Speaker 1: have to see what he does in the coming days.

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Speaker 1: And I want to thank so much Lester months In,

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Speaker 1: principal at b GR Group and former governor of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: Mark Schweiker, who's also senior vice president at rent rend Matrix, Inc.

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Speaker 1: Please check out his really fine editorial twenty Years Since

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Speaker 1: the nine eleven attacks in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Definitely worth

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Speaker 1: the read. I am Jeanie Schanzano and this is Bloomberg