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Speaker 1: to the Herd Podcast. Here we go our number two

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Speaker 1: hour one flies by.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herd. Urban Meyer last hour.

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Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat's gonna sit next to me that we got

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Speaker 1: some great stories. You know, green Bay's defensive coordinator, Jeff Hafley,

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Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat gave him his first job. Dave Wonstatt gave

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Speaker 1: you first job. So I've sort of got about a

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Speaker 1: third of the league. And he's gonna join us on

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Speaker 1: the Bears. He's gonna join us on the Packers and

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins and the Dallas Cowboys and a lot

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Speaker 1: of different topics. Today, I will say this about Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was really strange when a defensive when

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Speaker 1: a head coach in college quit and became a coordinator

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. That doesn't happen a lot, but that's

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Speaker 1: what the green Bay Packers did the Lions. No, No, no,

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Speaker 1: they they got very insulur, very provincial. We're gonna just

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna hire guys in the building to replace

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Speaker 1: these two coordinators. Green Bays like, now we're gonna try

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Speaker 1: something that nobody really does. We're gonna go hire a

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Speaker 1: college head coach who's a very good coach making a

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Speaker 1: great living. We're gonna make him an defensive coordinator. And

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Speaker 1: you can't run on Green Bay. And Micah Parsons is

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Speaker 1: still between the first two games, playing about fifty sixty percent.

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Speaker 1: So you can tell when a fighter has confidence because

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Speaker 1: they're aggressive. You know Mike Tyson's early days. Look at

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Speaker 1: the aggressiveness Green Bay's defense plays with. It is an

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Speaker 1: attack style defense. Why they have so much confidence in

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Speaker 1: their ability and their speed to make up if they

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Speaker 1: get beat. So when you watch, when you watch a

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Speaker 1: defense that is hyper aggressive, that is a confident boxer.

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Speaker 1: That's somebody that leaves their chin open because they have

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Speaker 1: They're not worried about protecting themselves. When I'm watching Green

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Speaker 1: Bay on both sides, they are taking big swings down

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Speaker 1: the field and here's the thing about Jordan Love. You know,

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Speaker 1: for years I said this about Justin Fields. He's tall,

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't it work?

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love is all those things, but it's just better

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Speaker 1: in terms of traits, that's what NFL people call it, traits, size, arm, mobility, athleticism, toughness.

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Speaker 1: His traits are unbelievable. And you know, we just don't

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Speaker 1: Craft is going to be a multiple time pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: You just wait, wait till Matthew Golden gets a few

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Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs can be hit and miss on you know, dependability.

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Speaker 1: But why I'm watching Green Bay the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: That is the best team in the league, and they're young,

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Speaker 1: So this is not a mirage. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is time off a winning week. I think it's

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Speaker 1: The Titans mistakes in Week one are easy to clean up.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks at Steelers, take the under forty and a half.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's got too much pride and too much talent to

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Speaker 1: play with their hair on fire. Defensively, Mike Tomlin had

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Speaker 1: They don't have a number one receiver, and under Mike McDonald,

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Speaker 1: So last week Seattle game, that's what Seattle's gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: Miami team that defensively quit. Don't overreact to Week one.

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Speaker 1: It was home Jim Mersey was being celebrated the late

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Speaker 1: Denver's defense is going to get Daniel Jones off the

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Speaker 1: I think it's close and low scoring, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: They got more good players. They've won seventeen of eighteen games,

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Speaker 2: Matters on the road.

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Speaker 1: In a close game, they're gonna pick up those third

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Speaker 1: Xavi are worthy. If he doesn't play, they don't have

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Speaker 1: prop bet. Take Ceedee Lamb over six and a half reception. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he had a miserable Week one, three drops. I believe

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Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer to build trust with his young receiver. They're

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Speaker 1: Dak are gonna say listen, we need you, brother. We're

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Speaker 1: And George Pickens does not separate like Ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 1: Prove that they trust Ceedee Lamb, Ceedee Lamb is not

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the over on catches six and a half.

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Speaker 1: I think Ceedee Lamb is gonna be a primary Dallas target.

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Speaker 1: Take the Titans and the points, the Broncos and Eagles

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Speaker 1: You know. I saw a quote this morning from Detroit's

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Speaker 1: Lions is a very very interesting early window game, and

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Speaker 1: he's John Morton says, we are not in panic mode. John,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's not in a good mood, having lost to Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: on the road and at Philadelphia. Detroit needs to win.

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Speaker 1: Chicago would like to win. But Chicago's got the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: And I also think Detroit's about winning games at this

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Speaker 1: So you can deny it's not panic mode. But I'm

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Speaker 1: going to stay away from this game. But if I

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Speaker 1: and I think Detroit is the side here. I think

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Speaker 1: Everybody has a schedule in that locker room at Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Just put a big L on your little pocket schedule.

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Speaker 1: Put a big L on that one. I think Detroit's

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Speaker 1: it is a absolute must win game. Teams can say

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Speaker 1: thing's going to derail fast. You just watch the Packers.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be two games back. You want to

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Speaker 1: be two games back four o'clock. You know, you know

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Speaker 1: Sunday eight oh and three seasons done. You're not making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. So Dave wonstat joining us next.

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Speaker 1: It just so happens. All the stories I'm fascinated about.

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Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat thirty nine years coaching NFL in college is

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Speaker 1: so connected to all of them. And I want to

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Speaker 1: start with Green Bay. They went and got a college

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Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Hafley, Are you surprised that in a

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not, because he's got a great background. Proud

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Speaker 5: to say that I was part of that, but I'm

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Speaker 5: was coaching at University of Albany, and when I was

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Speaker 5: to learn and come in here and learn. Right. That's

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Speaker 5: how we all grew up. That's how the Marvel Levy's

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Speaker 5: and the Marty Schottenheimers, how they treated me when we

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Speaker 5: how you doing? I meet him like the next day,

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Speaker 5: I said, how you doing it? Oh yeah, how would

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Speaker 5: said well, okay, let me Like a week later, I

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Speaker 5: So I go to the defensive coordinator, says, what's with

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Speaker 5: we did. Somebody offer him a job. We might as

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Speaker 5: well hire him. Wait, and he says, well, coach, we

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Speaker 5: So I said, well, tell happy to come down my office.

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Speaker 5: So he came in. I said, listen, you're here every

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Speaker 5: damn edy. Anyway, we got a staff meeting in thirty minutes.

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Speaker 5: You're the secondary coach. Okay, that's all he gets. So

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Speaker 5: then when I leave Pitt Greg Chian who calls me.

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Speaker 5: Greg's at Rutgers. Greg calls me and says, who's two

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Speaker 2: No, I mean he's done a great job. What jumped

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Speaker 1: I guess the only thing I'd worry about Green Bay

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Speaker 1: is this, Are they too young to win a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 5: No? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: You know why, because the younger you are, the less

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Speaker 5: And I don't think Jimmy I know not. I don't

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Speaker 5: it was all just another game, getting better, getting better,

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Speaker 5: I got three years left. I mean, it's the ring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the speed is obvious.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk you know, you know Chicago well,

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Speaker 1: seven or eight games where he's missing layups and he's

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Speaker 2: I mean, what happens if he's not good this year?

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Speaker 2: What do you do? In Chicago?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think I'm not going to go down that road.

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Speaker 5: run the ball more. They had thirty five passes and

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Speaker 5: those play action passes. I mean, if you're playing Detroit.

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Speaker 5: catch with our receivers. That was the biggest thing that

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Speaker 5: they run first. Thank you exactly. You're right, coach. I

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Speaker 5: mean that's what they do, they run first. And we

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Speaker 5: Everybody was saying, why didn't he throw it deep? Well,

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Speaker 5: I mean the checkdown was open. But my point is

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Speaker 1: You've talked about this before you coached in Miami. You're

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Speaker 1: Is that Green Bay today, with their speed, is what

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Speaker 1: I have ever kind of believed in McDaniel building a culture.

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Speaker 5: You, Well, that that tells you that they're frustrated. That

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Speaker 5: something missing. You got to pick it up. That's what

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Speaker 5: you know. You did those player meetings. That's what usually happens.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't remember if the if the players did,

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Speaker 5: play better offense. It's never them, okay, never the guy

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Speaker 5: You know, when Miami, we say they were fast and

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Speaker 5: the ball the score points. Run the ball to win games.

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Speaker 5: That's what the Bears on Sunday. They could not run

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Speaker 5: The end when everybody said, okay, we got an even

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Speaker 5: and you knew you had to run it. It didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: It didn't happen, you know, but Minnesota did. I go

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Speaker 5: back to the Dolphins game three years ago. They're playing

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Speaker 2: Oh, I remember this, remember, and.

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Speaker 5: A third team quarterback is in there, Skyler Thompson, thank you,

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Speaker 5: And they lose the game to Buffalo. And I look

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Speaker 5: So I mean the some guys told.

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Speaker 5: I saw everything? I mean you you know, these these

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Speaker 5: I think Ben Johnson back to you, I think he

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Speaker 5: so I think it'll happen. I think it'll be good

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Speaker 5: for Caleb, I really do. I might move him around

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Speaker 2: I don't see a problem with that, I thought Dallas.

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Speaker 1: had my reservations about Brian Schottenheimer, who hadn't interviewed for

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Speaker 2: What did you mean?

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Speaker 5: They did, and they were. You know, he's got a

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Speaker 5: So you've got a guy that your coordinator that you know,

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Speaker 2: He knows what a head coach needs, he.

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Speaker 5: Anybody that was a potential rough, you know, rough the

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Speaker 5: and plays good, you're going to see him win some

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Speaker 1: not look very good was New England. And I defended them.

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Speaker 1: I said, first of all, they spent three hundred million

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Speaker 1: in free agency, so there's a lot of new starters.

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Speaker 1: He didn't play those guys in the preseason, right, they're

437
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Speaker 1: a young roster, so they're going to play more draft

438
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Speaker 1: picks than your good teams. So my takeaway was they

439
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Speaker 1: didn't look good because I could argue there's no team

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Speaker 1: in the league that has more new starters and new

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Speaker 1: players which years ago, and in Week three the preseason,

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Speaker 1: you play them half the game, right, nobody plays starters.

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Speaker 1: So week one of the NFL season for a team

444
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Speaker 1: with new players, it's it's can get ugly.

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Speaker 2: I mean there were some. I mean like, it's just

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Speaker 2: the way it looks.

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Speaker 1: Go back to your Jimmy days with you and Jimmy

448
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Speaker 1: in Dallas or any place you've been in year one

449
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Speaker 1: when it's new players, and especially college, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a preseason, do you think New England eventually the

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Speaker 1: chess pieces work. Were you ever at a place where

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Speaker 1: you knew you were better than the result in Week

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Speaker 1: one or week two? You just knew you had new schemes,

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Speaker 1: you had new playbook, you had new coordinators.

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Speaker 2: Is that a real thing.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? And I think the worst thing very Well could

457
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Speaker 5: do is win too many too soon. Because he's got

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Speaker 5: a good young team, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 5: I would not be concerned if I was a Patriots

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Speaker 5: fan one bit. I mean, you've got the quarterback to

461
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Speaker 5: running back, you got pieces in place, got a good

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Speaker 5: head coach. No, I would not worry about that whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: You know, you didn't play as well as you wanted

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Speaker 5: to and didn't win the game. I get that, but.

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Speaker 2: No rest of it.

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Speaker 5: That'd be the last team. I mean, they've got to

467
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Speaker 5: beat Miami this week. I mean that's who they got.

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Speaker 5: I think the Dolphins played the Patriots right, that's down

469
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Speaker 5: in Miami, and that you talk about a musk game

470
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Speaker 5: for the Dolphins, a must game in Miami and what

471
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Speaker 5: is it? Half a point or a point and a half. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was. You know that makes me nervous if you're

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Speaker 5: a Dolphins fan. It truly does. Because from New England

474
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Speaker 5: turns it on which they're going to at some point

475
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Speaker 5: and starts getting it together. Have some They've got players,

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Speaker 5: They got players.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the Chicago Bears because

478
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Speaker 1: I live here now and I'm here a lot of

479
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Speaker 1: them in LA about.

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Speaker 2: Seven eight weeks a year. But it is fascinating to

481
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Speaker 2: listen to talk radio in this town. Cubs and Bears,

482
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Speaker 2: that's the topics.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: It's Cubs and Bears.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you coached in Miami, which was a

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Speaker 1: more transient town, and then you coached in Dallas where

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Speaker 1: talk radio in the newspaper guys were aggressive. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things I think of about one of the

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Speaker 1: advantages to being in Green Bay. It's not a big media,

491
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Speaker 1: the fans are loyal, you don't have a crazy, impulsive owner.

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Speaker 1: There's an advantage to be green Bay. You can draft

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Speaker 1: and develop. You can sit Jordan Love for three years,

494
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Speaker 1: right Like, that's an advantage in an era where all

495
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Speaker 1: these owners are billionaires now and they just think forty

496
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Speaker 1: five million dollars to fire a coach is a rounding air.

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Speaker 1: They don't care. So Green Bay, in this world we

498
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Speaker 1: live in now, it's an advantage. They don't have a

499
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Speaker 1: lot of crazy around the organization. But as I drive

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Speaker 1: around Chicago and listen to sports talk radio, it's harsh,

501
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Speaker 1: it's urgent, and I know owners listen and I know,

502
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Speaker 1: I know people in football, listen, when you were coaching

503
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Speaker 1: the Bears, was it different than coaching the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: The city it's northern, it's not as transient.

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Speaker 5: Yep, Oh, big difference. I mean, did you Pittsburgh. I've

506
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Speaker 5: coached in Pittsburgh. I've coached in Chicago. I mean, you

507
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Speaker 5: know there's loud, loud. They study this football, they live

508
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Speaker 5: it's important on a weekend. I mean they lived their

509
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Speaker 5: lives through their teams, you know. And Miami, Uh my

510
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Speaker 5: second year at the first year, and wouldn't envision at

511
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Speaker 5: Dolphins second year go to playoffs. We didn't sell out

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Speaker 5: our stadium for a playoffs game.

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Speaker 2: And the first person that bought.

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Speaker 5: A ticke up with some lady from Detroit, you know,

515
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Speaker 5: that was down her visit. I mean, I remember they

516
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Speaker 5: head in the paper and I said, you think, guess

517
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Speaker 5: whatever happened in Chicago or Pittsburgh. No, it's just it

518
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Speaker 5: is a different mentality, And uh, I noticed.

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Speaker 2: It here and I've lived here six months, five months.

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Speaker 2: It is intense. The coverage is intense here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And you try getting a ticket to a Blackhawks

522
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Speaker 5: game too, for hockey. You'll see that when you're here

523
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Speaker 5: in the winter. I mean it's it's it's a tough

524
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Speaker 5: sports time and uh uh, it is what it is.

525
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Speaker 5: I think it's just a Blue Cowway mentality.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're tough. Finally, I want to ask Oregon question.

527
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Speaker 1: Oregon plays Northwestern Yep, that's a you know, a big

528
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Speaker 1: newon kickoff game for the Fox Sports. I was lucky

529
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Speaker 1: enough I covered Oregon as they were exploding as a program.

530
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Speaker 1: I covered the Joey Harrington team. I was a sportscaster

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Speaker 1: at KGW in Portland, so I was very lucky that

532
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Speaker 1: I can remember being on the field, you know, and

533
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Speaker 1: looking at Phil Knight. He's got tears in his eyes,

534
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Speaker 1: you know, and they were they won the Civil War

535
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Speaker 1: and they were going to go to the Rose Bowl.

536
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Speaker 1: And I always thought one of the advantages to Oregon

537
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Speaker 1: that Penn State and USC and Michigan and Notre Dame

538
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Speaker 1: don't have is Oregon had no tradition, So Notre Oregon

539
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Speaker 1: could say we're gonna have twenty helmets, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: fifty uniforms, We're going to hire a guy from New

541
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Speaker 1: Hampshire and Chip Kelly that doesn't believe in huddles. Penn

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Speaker 1: State put names on the back of uniforms a few

543
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Speaker 1: years ago. They took him off. Two years later, right

544
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Speaker 1: right Notre Dame. Lincoln Riley suggested that USC drop the

545
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame game.

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Speaker 2: There was outrage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oregon is so fascinating to me coach because they

548
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Speaker 1: didn't have traditions, so they created their own.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like a study in great business. When you

550
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Speaker 2: as a guy who's.

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Speaker 1: You coached at SC and the Miami Hurricanes, how do

552
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Speaker 1: you view Oregon football as they play Northwestern this week?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you really think about it, and

554
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Speaker 5: Dan Lenning's done an unbelievab They only got one retiring

555
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Speaker 5: star on offense from last fifteen. Think about that. They

556
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Speaker 5: in the last three years they've been in the top

557
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Speaker 5: five in recruiting high school and portal.

558
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Speaker 1: Now, think about that, there's three Division one football players

559
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Speaker 1: in Oregon on an annual basis the state of Oregon.

560
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Speaker 5: So they have to leave the state to convince you

561
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Speaker 5: to go there, National national. You look at their roster

562
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Speaker 5: and the thing that's happened when they first came, when

563
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Speaker 5: all these packed and I've been doing Big ten football

564
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Speaker 5: here for years, you know that. Yeah, and when all

565
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Speaker 5: of these Pac twelve teams, the Oregons, the USC's came

566
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Speaker 5: to the Big Ten, everybody was talking about it. They're

567
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Speaker 5: going to be physical enough. You're talking about Big ten

568
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Speaker 5: football as compared to the fast game, the basketball fast

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Speaker 5: of the West Coast. Well, Oregon last year wins the

570
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Speaker 5: Big Ten. Okay, and they proved that they could be

571
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Speaker 5: as physical as anybody. Well now they might be. If

572
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Speaker 5: you look at every team around the country. They're about

573
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Speaker 5: as fast as maturing team as anybody. I mean, they're

574
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Speaker 5: a lot better than anybody thought. And talent wise, they

575
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Speaker 5: have talent on all levels, a lot more than anybody thought.

576
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Speaker 5: He convinced their quarterback, Daunte Moore to sit a year,

577
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Speaker 5: so he was on the roster last year he transferred

578
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Speaker 5: from U. Yes, he's sitting on the roster, not playing,

579
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Speaker 5: just watching Doyan Gabriel.

580
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Speaker 2: It was a five star like number one quarterback country

581
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Speaker 2: counting player.

582
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Speaker 5: They convinced him to sit and watch and learn and

583
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Speaker 5: he did that behind Gabriel.

584
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Speaker 2: And now he's the guy.

585
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Speaker 5: He's completing seventy seven percent of us passes.

586
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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 5: So they have a culture. They got great support, we

588
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Speaker 5: know that. And Dan Lenning does a great job of

589
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Speaker 5: getting players and coaching these guys. And I'll tell you

590
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Speaker 5: what Oregon and you know, we got Ohio State and

591
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Speaker 5: you got Penn State and I did it.

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Speaker 1: But I think right now today I was saying this,

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Speaker 1: if you told me top five programs in the country,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably put Oregon four or fives. At the low coach,

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Speaker 1: I might put them higher than that Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, Oregon.

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Speaker 5: I'm putting them ahead of I won't buck Ohio State,

597
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Speaker 5: but I would definitely put them ahead of Alabama or

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Speaker 5: anybody right now.

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Speaker 1: Right now, It's an incredible story right now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just funny that when I was part of you know,

601
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Speaker 1: not part of it, but when I covered them, they

602
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Speaker 1: had such a freedom because they had no history, so

603
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Speaker 1: they could just do whatever they wanted. They were totally

604
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Speaker 1: outside of the box. And you look up fifteen years

605
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Speaker 1: later and you're like, they are a top five program.

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Speaker 5: And you know, when we first went to the ENA,

607
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Speaker 5: I remember Al Davis, we would always work against the Raiders.

608
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Speaker 5: First year we went out here to California for training

609
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Speaker 5: camp where the Cowboys used to go, and Al Davis

610
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Speaker 5: used to talk about we have to get At that time,

611
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Speaker 5: the old San Diego Chargers with Dan Fouts and Joiner

612
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Speaker 5: of those guys, they were speed speed. How are we

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Speaker 5: going to beat the Chargers. We've got to match their speed.

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Speaker 5: So the Raiders started transforming a little bit to the

615
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Speaker 5: fast wide receivers. The matchup wouldn't be able to do

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Speaker 5: what the Chargers did. Okay, Oregon comes in here and

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Speaker 5: they say this is power football. Well, now, all of

618
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Speaker 5: a sudden, after last year, the Big ten's looking around saying,

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Speaker 5: you know what we gotta be as if we're gonna

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Speaker 5: beat these guys and win, we gotta be fastest. We've

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Speaker 5: gotta be as fast as Oregan. So that you talk

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Speaker 5: about tradition and a little bit of transformation, there's that

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Speaker 5: going on a little bit if you look close in

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Speaker 5: the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave on Stad, great, good seeing you too. You're

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Speaker 1: going to take me out to dinner next week and

627
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Speaker 1: one of your haunts.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna prep a place for us tonight.

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Speaker 5: It'll be warm, you're seeing, it'll.

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Speaker 2: Be Warm's scouting. It's the herd.

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Speaker 4: Fox College Football Friday is under the lights in prime

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Speaker 4: time this week. It's a big twelve Showdown as K

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Speaker 4: State takes on Arizona tonight at nine eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and Jason's Picks next hour. But here's Jmack

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Speaker 1: with the news.

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Speaker 4: The News.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. Can I just say I

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Speaker 2: do laugh when you call me Jason?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, that's like my kids. Anyways, Let's start with the

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Speaker 4: big game on Sunday on Fox. The Chiefs and the

642
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Speaker 4: Eagles Super Bowl rematch. We know Philly dominated them back

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Speaker 4: in February, and Rob Gronkowski believes the Eagles have provided

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Speaker 4: a blueprint for beating Mahomes.

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Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of teams last year had

646
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Speaker 6: that fear. Oh I can't swing on the Chiefs, you know,

647
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Speaker 6: we can't give them our best shot. The Philadelphia Eagles

648
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Speaker 6: punch them in the face. The Chiefs didn't know how

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Speaker 6: to react to that because no one else was doing

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Speaker 6: that while going into this year. Now, the Los Angeles

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Speaker 6: Charges punched them in the face. The Chiefs were like, whoa,

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Speaker 6: they're coming at us. How do we react? Well, they

653
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Speaker 6: didn't know how to react because no one was doing

654
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Speaker 6: that before. So the Philadelphia Eagles open that floodgate of hey,

655
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Speaker 6: if you punch these guys in the face. You take

656
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Speaker 6: it to them, you come out swinging, They're gonna fold

657
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Speaker 6: and they're not going to be the team that you've

658
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Speaker 6: been seeing all last year.

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Speaker 1: Well, what Kansas City can't do, Jmack. What they can't

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Speaker 1: do is get into track meets. They just don't have

661
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Speaker 1: the offensive firepower. So there's a there was always with

662
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Speaker 1: Mahomes multiple ways to win. Kansas City has become one

663
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Speaker 1: of those teams where there's one way to win, and

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Speaker 1: that is low scoring, situational if the game gets away

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Speaker 1: from them. If I told you Philadelphia had a fourteen

666
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Speaker 1: nothing lead through seven minutes, you'd be like, game over.

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Speaker 1: That's not what they're built for. So they The teams

668
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Speaker 1: that don't win Super Bowl usually are teams that have

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Speaker 1: limited routes to success. Green Bay can win a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways, Philadelphia can win a lot of ways. Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Baltimore can win a lot of ways. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Kansas City's in that group anymore.

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Speaker 2: I would totally agree.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the old injury report Cowherd Landon Dickerson

675
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Speaker 4: really talented guard. Remember he got I think poked in

676
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Speaker 4: the eye and the opener against Dallas didn't return, did

677
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Speaker 4: not practice earlier this week, but he's back down.

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Speaker 2: That's huge for Philly. Dallas.

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Speaker 4: Goddard is the other guy that watched the tight end.

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Speaker 4: He's good like I don't know if he's Tucker Craft

681
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Speaker 4: good ha ha, just kidding, but I just like this

682
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Speaker 4: Eagles roster. I think I'm with you on the Eagles man. Listen,

683
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Speaker 4: if Casey starts zero in two, I mean we opening

684
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Speaker 4: the show, but it's over.

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Speaker 2: The dynasty's done.

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Speaker 1: It's called trade deadline. That's when they have to go

687
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Speaker 1: out and go. Okay, listen, because Xavier are worthy. If

688
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Speaker 1: he doesn't play this week, we'll play the following week.

689
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Speaker 1: But then you've got three four more weeks overra sheet Rice.

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Speaker 1: So you start looking at the schedule. I mean I

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Speaker 1: think panicky, though to I don't think upgrading a week,

692
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Speaker 1: receiving core run room is panic. I think panic is

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Speaker 1: Baltimore losing the Buffalo and making a huge trade in

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Speaker 1: two weeks.

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Speaker 2: That's panic. This is not panic for Kansas City. This

696
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Speaker 2: is what they are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna win. They're gonna beat New York. Wait,

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Speaker 1: hold up, the Ravens coming up, and then they have

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Speaker 1: to go to the Jag so it's like they need

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Speaker 1: to win this week. So again they're gonna beat New York.

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Speaker 1: Let's just take a deep breath. Look at that Colem.

702
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: The New York game is a sandwich spot. Okay, you

703
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Speaker 1: go Brazil to Super Bowl rematch and then Lamar Jackson.

704
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Speaker 1: You're not even thinking about the Giants and that front

705
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: seven could remember they get Jayden Daniels some problems. They

706
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Speaker 1: could wreck that offensive line. I mean, Jawan Taylor is

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Speaker 1: a nightmare on the right side.

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Speaker 2: He's not good. I think Nolan Smith is gonna own

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Speaker 2: him again this week.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I think we're gonna have some nervous Chiefs

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Speaker 4: fans if this game is close in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: And listen my.

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Speaker 4: Prediction of no playoffs, somebody's gonna be buffing their chest out,

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Speaker 4: that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Colin should should they lose again.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Michael Parsons last night, can't stop

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: talking enough about this domination. Look at that move man,

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Speaker 4: You're doubling Micah and he's still getting to the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I love this.

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Speaker 4: After the game, Micah joined the Amazon crew and hundreds,

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Speaker 4: not dozens, hundreds of fans we're chanting thank you.

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Speaker 2: Jerry, thank you. Listen.

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Speaker 4: I think that's exciting. And Micah talked about his Week

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Speaker 4: four matchup with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: My family and everyone was looking forward to it. But

726
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Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to ask them, Saul, and I ain't.

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Speaker 5: I know why.

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Speaker 3: You know, let's just gonna be funny because I'm our friends,

729
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Speaker 3: jitter Arm, my friends are there, am you know camp

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Speaker 3: well CD and.

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Speaker 2: You know Chury was the happiest guy in Chief Smith.

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Speaker 3: So just going against those guys, there's gonna be heartbreakers,

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Speaker 3: prow Damn.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for them no matter.

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Speaker 5: Who it is.

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Speaker 2: It could be the vessel tackle. You're all pro. I

737
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: gotta go. I have to win now. And that's just

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Speaker 2: the rage and you're like, I'm like, I'm pissed off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's such a great move for Micah because green

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Speaker 1: Bay didn't need first round picks like a lot of teams.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch green Bay play, Micah was

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Speaker 1: the missing piece, the great playmaker on the edge. They're

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Speaker 1: fine everywhere else where you look at Dallas, Micah was this,

745
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Speaker 1: you know, a ten million dollars chandelier in an empty mansion,

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Speaker 1: Like they don't have enough players so I mean, I

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Speaker 1: still contend people overreacted. I think it's a good move

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Speaker 1: for Dallas to get four first round picks in the

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Speaker 1: next two years.

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Speaker 2: They can do whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: Remember, when you have first round picks, those can become

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Speaker 1: second and third additional picks because you can trade down

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Speaker 1: because Dak's not going anywhere. So if Dallas wins six

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Speaker 1: games this year and they have the eighth pick, that

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00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: first can become the eleventh pick and you just had

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Speaker 1: a second second pick. So four first round picks gives you,

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Speaker 1: in saying, when you don't need a quarterback and they

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Speaker 1: have Dak for four more years in a contract, it

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00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: gives Dallas incredible leverage because when you watch the Ravens

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Speaker 1: and the Packers and the Eagles, Dallas' roster is not

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Speaker 1: close to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, I gotta disagree.

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Speaker 2: I don't when I'm watching Micah just wreck Connorly on

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Speaker 2: the right.

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Speaker 4: And he got he had his way with Tunzel a

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Speaker 4: few times as well. And remember he went against Penney

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Speaker 4: Suwell last week. Okay, he's already facing top left tackles

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Speaker 4: and he's he's winning. How did Jerry not get more color?

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Speaker 4: When you're watching how did you not get more from

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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons Like he looks generational. I know the playoff

771
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Speaker 4: numbers haven't been great, but I'm just telling you watching

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Speaker 4: these first two weeks not at one hundred percent and

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Speaker 4: wrecking offensive lines and game plans, Well.

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Speaker 1: It also helps that Green Bay in the first two

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Speaker 1: weeks has gotten off to huge leads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Micah Parsons, who's mostly a sea ball attack ball

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Speaker 1: kind of defender, is on that edge. Remember, edge rushers

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Speaker 1: are like closers in base ball. The lead matters, you know.

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Speaker 1: The great closers coming in trailing don't matter. The great

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Speaker 1: pass rushers, you know, Miles Garrett. A lot of teams

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Speaker 1: that play Cleveland are going to be running the ball

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Speaker 1: late in games because they leave the Cleveland Browns. So

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Speaker 1: Micah going to a team with a lead, especially in

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Speaker 1: the first couple of quarters, it's a perfect spot for him.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, you know what else you

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Speaker 2: don't do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know those awesome closers in baseball, you don't

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Speaker 4: trade them. Okay, Jerry just traded a Superstar final story

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Speaker 4: Colin to the deninver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: They did not look great.

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Speaker 4: In Week one despite the dub Bo Nicks was quite

793
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 4: futrid three turnovers heading into Week two. Sean Payton took

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Speaker 4: responsibility for the poor play and knows he's got to

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Speaker 4: improve his play calling.

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Speaker 7: When a game ends and you evaluate it and then

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Speaker 7: you say, all right, how are we with the details.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're fairly young, and so if we feel

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Speaker 7: like the answer isn't maybe up to what we want,

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Speaker 7: then we've got to look at how much. I don't

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Speaker 7: know how many games I've called, but that's one of

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Speaker 7: those where you know, a kid came away from it like, Man,

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Speaker 7: I've got to be a lot better.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 4: Just a quick note. Not great for the Colts, so

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Speaker 4: lot too, lot too. The guy from UCLA. I hope

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Speaker 4: I got his name right. It sounds like he's not

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Speaker 4: gonna play due to a concussion. He graded out as

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Speaker 4: the number one edge rusher in.

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Speaker 1: The NFL Colts. That was two years ago when the Colts.

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Speaker 1: He was the first defensive player drafted that draft.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that he's good? No, he may not

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Speaker 2: have been the.

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Speaker 1: First defensive player. Maybe he was, but he basically fell

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Speaker 1: to the Colts. And then Chris Ballard said, yeah, that

817
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Speaker 1: he was the number one grated edge rusher in the

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Speaker 1: whole draft. We're drafted in the middle of the first round,

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Speaker 1: and that guy's usually out in the top seven or

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Speaker 1: eight picks of a draft. So he's been really UCLA kid.

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Speaker 1: Very good for them.

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Speaker 4: Shifter just announced Sharverius Ward, the top cornerback on the Colts,

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Speaker 4: will not play this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I like the Broncos a lot. That's

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Speaker 2: a great pick by you. Jmack with the news. Well

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Speaker 2: that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to die on that hill that Micah Parsons

829
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Speaker 1: short term is going to look like the Cowboys got

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Speaker 1: worked in that trade. But come late April next year

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Speaker 1: and Dallas has two first round picks and doesn't need

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, and it's a great quarterback draft, Jerry and

833
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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones can take that number eight pick or nine pick,

834
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Speaker 1: move down and get another second and the third. Watch

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Speaker 1: what happened now, green Bay is going to win the

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Speaker 1: trade the first year because Mike and green Bay are

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Speaker 1: good this trade. Wait till late April. Cowboys gonna pick

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00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: up a lot of good players and that's what they need,

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Speaker 1: not just a great edge rusher. Hour three on a

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Speaker 1: Friday night