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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We're back with Josh Reeves, documentary filmmaker, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Artificial Intelligence AI, Rmageddon, Apocalypse, endgame once again. How

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Speaker 2: All right. Doctor Jeffrey Hinton, he's some call him the

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Speaker 2: godfather of AI, and he recently quit his job at

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Speaker 2: Google because he wanted to warn people about the dangers

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Speaker 2: of I guess continuing advances in AI. He called it

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Speaker 2: the technological Pandora's box, and he even went so far

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Speaker 2: as to say he regrets some of his work and

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Speaker 2: cautioned some of the against some of the potentially cata

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Speaker 2: catastrophic effects that this tech could pose if governments don't

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Speaker 2: step in and regulate. He says, right now, robots are

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Speaker 2: not more intelligent than us as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 2: but I think they soon may be. According to a

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Speaker 2: recent study, half of all AI researchers, half of all

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Speaker 2: AI researchers believe there is at least a ten percent

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Speaker 2: chance of AI causing human extinction, with many warning that

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Speaker 2: robots could be capable of human like goals such as

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Speaker 2: attaining high political office, starting new religions, or even playing

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Speaker 2: God Wow. Fifty percent of AI researchers think there's a

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Speaker 2: ten percent chance. Josh, do you think that's about right?

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Speaker 2: Is that accurate ten percent?

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Speaker 3: Or is it greater? You know, I can't guess, Richard,

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Speaker 3: I mean it would be a guess, it would be

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Speaker 3: exactly that. I don't know. I don't have any idea

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Speaker 3: but to go back and answer your previous question from

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Speaker 3: before the break. Yes, I do think there probably are

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Speaker 3: some well meaning people in stuff like the Cope of

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Speaker 3: Romans think that they've been convinced, they've been brainwashed to

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Speaker 3: think some of these things are the only way that

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Speaker 3: we can go. But what's interesting, too, Richard, I read

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Speaker 3: an article I don't know a few weeks ago through

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Speaker 3: my I think I can't ruin. It was talking about

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Speaker 3: how a lot of these tech companies, That's why I

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Speaker 3: don't like the doctor you mentioned, the guy that was

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Speaker 3: developing AI and stuff to regrets his work. Here's the thing, though,

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Speaker 3: and I really do believe this. I think we have

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Speaker 3: to be leery of those people as well, because from

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Speaker 3: this about how a lot of these tech companies are

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Speaker 3: actually the ones that are pushing a lot of the

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Speaker 3: fear mongering when it comes to this AI stuff in

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Speaker 3: order to try and help so they think that it

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Speaker 3: will help sell their products if they help the fear mongering.

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Speaker 3: And that's another thing I want people to know about me,

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Speaker 3: is I am not a fear monger. I am not

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Speaker 3: someone who normally goes directly to worst case scenario in

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Speaker 3: any event, and on the contrary, I'm an optimist. I

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Speaker 3: never go to whatever I think will be the worst case,

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Speaker 3: worst outcome. It could be not at all. No, this

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Speaker 3: is not you know, reactionism or anything on my part

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Speaker 3: of my belief in this. This is just from decades

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Speaker 3: of studying the elite and like you said, covered Roman,

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Speaker 3: seeing how they have used technology previously to determine how

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Speaker 3: what we did as soon as we hear the nuclear age.

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Speaker 3: What did we do there, Richard? You know, I mean

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Speaker 3: it's pretty clear. So again every time that these people

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Speaker 3: well meaning people if they're just going along because I

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Speaker 3: all that. Yeah, I think there's absolutely some people like

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Speaker 3: never know who this work is going to reach. You

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Speaker 3: never know, well, there might be some AI engineer and

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Speaker 3: that's how we have whistleblowers or whatnot. So I think

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Speaker 3: to our own conclusions on this stuff. You know, don't

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Speaker 3: much as anybody, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I agree, you know, the trust. It is not a

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Speaker 2: still talking about, you know, massive depopulation. Now they'll put ah,

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Speaker 3: Well, it already is, That's the thing. It already. There's

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Speaker 3: a clipp in my film AI Again that I hope

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Speaker 3: that has affected the birth rates already. Already they've seen

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Speaker 3: your reduction in birth rates already with this little flimsy,

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Speaker 3: As much as I don't see a good out look

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Speaker 3: That's why I do this. That's why I hope people

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Speaker 3: eight films this year, because you know, I turned forty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even the current iteration of even the current iteration

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Speaker 2: the surviving Beatles taking using AI to extract John Lennon's

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Speaker 2: That's different as far as I'm concerned. But when you're

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Speaker 2: creating new music out of nothing, yeah, yeah, all of

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Speaker 2: Like all of our new music. Actors will may be replaced.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you know you have a battle scene, You've

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Speaker 2: They create them with artificial intelligence. This is what that

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Speaker 3: Well, going back to something you were saying earlier about

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Speaker 3: But my point a better earlier was Hey, elon, let's

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Speaker 3: we can start putting chips in people's brains. After that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's let's star put your car.

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's uh you spot on, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I think that absolutely there's you know, it's what

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Speaker 3: chows you to the bone again, Richard, is not for me.

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Speaker 3: I just think for me personally, awso with the technology itself,

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Speaker 3: And that's why again for them to just blame it

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