1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. No one has heard from her. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, no one has heard from her. Joanna 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Russell is talking about her daughter, thirty three year old 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Heather Gamia Waters, a Plasterville woman who has not been 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: seen since Tuesday. I'm sleep deprived, I'm sad, I'm scared. Russell, 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: who didn't want her face shown, says her daughter had 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: just broke her collarbone last Monday and it complained about 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: being in pain. After being released from the hospital. She 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: spent that night at her Pleasant Valley area house, but 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: by Wednesday, both Heather and her car, a two thousand 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: and five Black Infinity Coop, had vanished. It is very 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: unlike her to not contact anyone. That's why there's a 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: concern for her safety right now and a concern that 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: she had a broken collarbone. So I'm praying that someone 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: will well hear this or have seen something or might 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: know something, and please report it to the Sheriff's The 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: Old Rdo County Sheriff's Office confirms it is also searching 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: for Heather in her car sharing photos on social media. 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Russell says the Black Infinity Coop has distinctive pink markings 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: that are hard to forget, such as two pink ribbon 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: stickers on the back window and a pink gas cap 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: lid that says his queen. So there was a lot 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: of pink in the car, little areas on the car. 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at Fox forty News. That was 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Doug Johnson. Fears rising for a gorgeous young California mother. 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: She has been missing for nearly a month, and now 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: her car has been found abandoned not too far from 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: where she was last seen. Where is Heather Gamina? I 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: for being with us. She had just been released from 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: the hospital for treatment for a broken collar bone. Her 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: family and ference all agree on one thing. Heather would 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: never just up and leave her three little children. Taking 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: a look at her right now, she just looks like 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: an all American girl, scrubbed in sunshine, long blonde hair, 36 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: pretty smile, gorgeous children. Last seen in the Pleasant Valley 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: area that's about fifty miles east of Sacramento. She had 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: a black two thousand and five Infinity G thirty five 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: that's been found in El Dorado County. They're being they're 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: processing it right now. Before I go any further straight 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 42 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. When we 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: hear a car is being forensically processed, that is a 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: very very intricate endeavor. I know we hear about it 45 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: all the time, but if you don't do it right, 46 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: you will lose potentially life evidence. Explain what happens when 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: you process the vehicle. Yeah, commonly, Nancy, when they identified 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: this vehicle, hopefully the police kept everybody away. Hopefully the 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: police kept everybody away from this vehicle so that no 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: one contaminated it any further. Let's keep in mind the 51 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: police would have to immediately look inside of it and 52 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: probably look in the trunk. As an investigator, you have 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: to suspect that maybe she's still in the vehicle. But 54 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: beyond that, put the thing on the back of a 55 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: flatbed truck, take it to the crime lab, and put 56 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: it in a sequestered area. That way it can be processed. 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: You can look for. Obviously, the first thing that's going 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: to be on everybody's mind is going to be DNA, 59 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: which is very very fragile, and we want to look 60 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: to see if there's perhaps blood evidence contain their end, 61 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: and if there's any signs of struggle inside of the vehicle. 62 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: But you have to it is imperative that you limit 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: the number of people that actually have access to this 64 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: vehicle because the slightest misstep can ruin everything down the road. Well, 65 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about that. Guys were talking about a 66 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: missing mother up three. Take a listen to our friend 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: at Fox forty, Doug Johnson. I mean a water has 68 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: disappeared along with her car. On July sixteenth, her mother 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: tells Fox forty she had just returned from the hospital 70 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: with a broken collar bone. Her car, a two thousand 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and five black Infinity Coop, has a pink gas cap 72 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: lid that, says his Queen, a unique feature. Her friend's 73 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: hope is easy to spot. If you find something, If 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: you see something, stopp and stop and call bring them in. 75 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: We don't need to touch anything, We just need to 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: bring them in. Smith and Schneider say one search group 77 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: was already out today in an undisclosed area, acting on 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: a tip they don't want to at least too many 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: details on just yet, but it is a tip that 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: comes from a very reputable person in the community. So 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: we're positive about that. And while they're hoping more people 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: who know this part of El Dorado County will volume 83 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: tier already, horseback riding and four wheeling clubs have offered help, 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, and it is a big area. It's a 85 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: huge area. Speaking of Doug Johnson at Fox forty News, Sacramento. 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Doug joining me right now, Doug Johnson, Let's start at 87 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened. Well, from what we know, this 88 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: again is about forty miles east of Sacramento on the 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: way to South Lake Tahoe and the Eldorado kind of 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office initially was called told this was a missing 91 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: person report and they started searching for the thirty three 92 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: year old mother of three. Again. She was last seen 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: on the sixteenth Pleasant Valley. That's an area just outside 94 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: just south of Plasterville, if anybody knows the Eldorado County 95 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: area in California. She had just broken her collarbone the 96 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Monday before, which is basically the night before she went missing, 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: and was complained about pain. Hold on just a moment, Doug, 98 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: I just gotta ask, how did she break her collar back? Well, 99 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: and that's something that we're still not getting a lot 100 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: of details on again a family. I don't like it. 101 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't like it, Doug Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert. 102 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: She goes missing, I find out she's broken her collarbone, 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: and nobody will be what seems to explain? Why why 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: would you not say, Oh, she was jumping on her kids, 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: trampling and broke her collarbone. Oh she was running and 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: tripped and hit the curb. Oh she was in a 107 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: little fender bender. Why is nobody able to say how 108 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: she broke her collarbone? I don't like that right now. 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't because this goes into the narrative of what 110 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: happened prior to her disappearance. Even if it's a benign finding, 111 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: all right, it's still gonna play in. It's gonna give me. 112 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Why do you talk like that? I'm just curious because 113 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: you do it all the time. Joseph Scott Morgan with me, 114 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 115 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: Feet A benige finding? You mean an innocent accident? Is 116 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: that what you're trying to say in your forensic expert way, Yeah, Nancy, 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say that there are no accidents. 118 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: When you're looking at an investigation, all angles have to 119 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: be considered. I want to know if I hear this, 120 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: my mind automatically flees to the negative. I'm going to 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: think that maybe she was involved in some kind of 122 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: conflict with someone. I want to know about the intimates 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: in her circle that know this. You know, the reporter 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: was just saying that they don't really have a lot 125 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: of information. Well, maybe the police are not releasing anything 126 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: relative to the instant relative to her collarbone being broken 127 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: because it would I don't know, alert somebody that might 128 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: be involved with her disappearance potential to take Listen to 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox forty knew. The thirty three year 130 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: old mother of three was last seen in the Pleasant 131 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: Valley area July sixteenth. She was dealing with pain from 132 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: a broken collarbone at the time of her disappearance. According 133 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: to family, just one of many things that doesn't make 134 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: sense about what's happened to Waters. The biggest that the 135 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: married mom of three has had no contact with her 136 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: beloved children, the youngest of whom is just or they 137 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: were too emotional to be in this group. Tonight, their 138 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: grandmother spoke some of their shared pain. Always loving her 139 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: mom and always there and I just miss her. Eldorado 140 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's deputies have searched her home looking for clues, 141 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: but that effort hasn't produced any releasable information on her whereabouts. 142 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: We are working really hard to find her. That everybody 143 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: is joined together in prayer. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace 144 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: searched your thirty three year old Heather Gamina Waters is 145 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: getting organized and focused. We're going to really target the 146 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Grizzly Flat area, Somerset, Ohmar Ranch Valley, Pleasant Valley area. 147 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Family friends Kathy Schneider and Holly Smith started a search 148 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: team Facebook page, which has already jumped to more than 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: four hundred members in just a few days. There's so 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: many people in the community right now that want to help, 151 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: and we need their help. Both admit they could use 152 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: more volunteers, as Heather's family has been waiting for weeks 153 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: desperate for answers. If you can just imagine how distraught 154 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: a mother could be looking for her missing child, It's unimaginable. 155 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: She's from the Pleasant Valley area. Right here, you're hearing 156 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox forty News that was Doug Johnson, 157 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: guys were talking about a missing mother of three, you know, 158 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts joining me out of la Now, 159 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, I want you to get in the real 160 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: world with the rest of us. Doctor Bethany, I don't 161 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: like it. Now, Doug Johnson, Fox forty News, Sacramento, you're 162 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: a a hard news guy. This is what you call 163 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: a wild goose chase. This is what you call going 164 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. Because you just told me you 165 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: didn't know how she had the broken collar bone, and 166 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: here we go. But doctor Bethany, I don't like it. 167 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't like when she goes missing just after being 168 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: treated for a broken collar bone and nobody can tell 169 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: me how she broke it. See if somebody doesn't answer me, 170 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: I think it's for a nefarious reason. For all I know, 171 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Doug Johnson is trying to cover up the evidence. But 172 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: I'll get back to that in a minute. But I 173 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: don't either, Nancy, and you know, when a woman goes missing, 174 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: the first thing we do is we look at her 175 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: romantic and intimate relationships. And the reason we do that 176 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: is that the feelings that leads somebody to abduct, to 177 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: commit homicide, to hurt another individual often take place in 178 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: the context of our most intimate relationships. I mean, think 179 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: about it, where do you have the strongest feeling even 180 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: in your life. In my life, it's with our spouses. Resentment, anger, 181 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: build up of feelings that maybe or even outside of awareness. 182 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: And if you have somebody who is actually homicidal, they 183 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: are unable to regulate those feelings. They're going to lash 184 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: out at their most intimate partner. So who was the 185 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: father of her three children? Was she a single mom? 186 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: Was she dating? Was there somebody she had just met 187 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: who was stalking her? What was the nature of those 188 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: intimate relationships? Were they happy? Were they unhappy? Did she 189 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: have a conflict with somebody? It raises those questions, of course, 190 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: because we hear broken collar bone, and we think of 191 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: domestic abuse, because what happens during domestic abuse a man 192 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: will grab the woman by the neck or by the shoulders. 193 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: So that's a very telling injury if she's at risk 194 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: because of an intimate relationship in her life. See dud Johnson, 195 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: you're a hard knees guy. Out a thought forty and 196 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: Sacramento say you just said one thing you said, you know, 197 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: you're not clear about how she had the broken collar bone, 198 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: and we just all went wild, led by me. I 199 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: just led us all down that garden path. So, Doug Johnson, 200 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: what do you know? And the aunt in the face 201 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: of all these questions, we're asking, well, I do know that, 202 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, I've been speaking with Heather's mother a lot, 203 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and she has said something's kind of off the record, 204 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: some information she doesn't always want to put out there. 205 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: But she did tell us on the record that the 206 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: last person to have seen Heather alive, she believes was 207 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: her husband. She was married. She does have three kids, 208 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: ages four, ten, and fourteen. I'm not exactly sure who 209 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: the father of those children are. And I do know 210 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: that the police also withholding a lot of information. One 211 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: thing they won't say at this point in time is 212 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: exactly where her car was located. They just say it 213 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: was discovered somewhere within El Dorado County. Actually will judge 214 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer. You can find her at shi Wilcott 215 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: dot com. Why are cops not releasing information? I mean, 216 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people when they hear a 217 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: news reporter, they read it, they don't think much about 218 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: missing pieces of the puzzle. That's what jumps out at 219 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: me the most. The minute. Doug Johnson from Fox forty 220 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: said about the broken collar bone and that we don't 221 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: know how she broke it. And Dave Matt Crime online 222 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, where is the husband? Is he 223 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: out there searching who is the father of these children? 224 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many pieces of the puzzle that 225 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: are missing, Nancy. The simplest answer is this, Anthony Gamina, 226 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: the husband of Heather Gamina Waters, is actually not in 227 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: the picture right now in taking care of these children. 228 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: But they're not his biological children. We don't know about 229 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: the biological father of the children. We know that there 230 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: is nobody there that is acting like a real man 231 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: and helping to care for these children. I mean, their 232 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: mother is missing, and there's not one man involved that 233 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: has the guts to stand up and take care of them. 234 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: We've got Anthony Gamina, who they've been involved in a 235 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: relationship to the point where they got married in March. 236 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: You would assume he had some type of love and 237 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: affection for the children, but he's not being involved. He's 238 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: not helping to care for their emotional and physical needs. 239 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: That's being left to her mother, who's devastated right now, 240 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: and the extended family. Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer. 241 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: You can find her at ash Wilcott dot com. Why 242 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: would police withhold those key pieces of the puzzle? Key 243 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: to me? I mean they may not turn up to 244 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: be key ultimately, but right now I feel like they're 245 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle. I want the answer to Oh, 246 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: I agree with you, but Nancy, I respect that it's 247 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation, and typically what I see is when 248 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: they're not releasing that information, there's a reason they don't 249 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: want to tip someone off. I think the police know 250 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: more obviously you've just pointed out we have questions, they 251 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: know answers, they know more than we know, and then 252 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: we think and I think that's good. I think that 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: means maybe they have some leads, Maybe they're considering some people, 254 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: and they don't want those people to have knowledge of 255 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: the evidence they have so that they can do the 256 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: right kind of investigation and figure out where this missing 257 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: woman is. That's my prayer. The other piece I have 258 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: to mention that was interesting to me. I read something 259 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: that family commented on because of the color bone injury 260 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: she is in pain, and they're really concerned about her 261 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: as a result of the pain she's in. So I 262 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: also just wonder how that threads in and how she 263 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: was dealing with the pain and handling the pain, and 264 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: did she reach out to someone that was sinister and 265 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: criminal and nature versus the people she might typically reach 266 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: out to and her family. I don't know. It just 267 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: adds more questions. I am thinking about these three children. 268 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: There's three of them, ages fourteen and fourteen, and we 269 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: understand through family members that her son is taking it 270 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: really badly. Quote we can't even really tell him. He 271 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: keeps looking for his mom and he wants to go 272 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: over there and he can't. Each day that goes by, 273 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: the hopes of finding her, okay, get a little more scary. 274 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: And the reality is to John Cardillo Farmer, NYPD, the 275 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: longer a case drags out a missing person's case, the 276 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: more likely as the person is dead or will be. Yeah, 277 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean, sadly that is the case, right to the 278 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: old cliche, and you want to try to at least 279 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: have your case. But normally there's the overwhelming evidence. When 280 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: an abduction case, a missing case happens, there's typically overwhelming 281 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: evidence that a person is still alive. Unfortunately, when you 282 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: don't have that, when you have a standard fact pattern, 283 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: more often than not, it ends badly. Typically turns into 284 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: a recovery operation. Out of rescue operation, you're looking for 285 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: the body, not the lie. Victim listens choice and we 286 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: can take the choice capacity to do good to others, 287 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: or we could take the choice capacity to use the 288 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: views and exploit other people. Those choices can inflict pain. 289 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: They're the kind of words they never thought they'd have 290 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: to confront. It takes what others mean for bad and 291 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: bring ultimate good out of it. But after more than 292 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: two weeks in and missing Heather Gamina Waters, loved ones 293 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: gathered tonight to face their frustration and harness their hope. 294 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: Joanna Russell didn't think she'd have the strength to attend 295 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: a prayer vigil for her vanished child, but she made it. 296 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: God just moved me to come tonight because he said, 297 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I have to be strong. I hope to be strong 298 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: for her. So I'm here. I'm here because I love 299 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: my daughter. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here This Saturday, August 300 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: twenty four, six pm Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy 301 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: Grace on Oxygen, we explore the mystery surrounding the death 302 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: of a beautiful mother of two. I referred to her 303 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: as a Reese Witherspoon look alike. That's what she looked like, 304 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: down dead in her own bathtub in her apartment. More disturbingly, 305 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: found dead by her little girl Anna. A lot of 306 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: confusion surrounding Shelley's death, and it's amazing to me how 307 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: close that case came to never being solved. Please join 308 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: us Saturday, August twenty four, six o'clock Eastern, five Central 309 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys, I'll see 310 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: Saturday Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Fears rising for a 311 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: gorgeous young California mother. She has been missing for nearly 312 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: a month, and now her car has been found abandoned 313 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: not too far from where she was last seen. Where 314 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: is Heather Gamina, I mean, Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. 315 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You know another question 316 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: to Fox forty News Sacramento Doug Johnson, cops are not 317 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: releasing where her car was found. I find that interesting. 318 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: They're just saying it was an Eldorado County, But what 319 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: about the condition of the car. Was it empty? Was 320 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: it you know, empty of gas? Or was there a 321 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: flat tire? Had there been a fender been or at 322 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: she crashed into a tree? What was there the doors open? 323 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Had she been carjacked? Do we know anything at all 324 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: about the condition or the location of where her car 325 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: was found. We know practically nothing from the Sheriff's office. 326 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: Pretty much. All we've gotten from them is they've found 327 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: the car and it is being processed for evidence at 328 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: this point in time. The condition, what was in it, 329 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: was a crash? Was it out in the country, was 330 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: at parked in a more urban setting? We don't know 331 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: any of those details. You know, when I look at her, 332 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: you know what she looks like, Ashley Willcott. She looks 333 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: like a young Suzanne Summers to me without the side pony. Okay, 334 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: that's what she looks like. For everybody to get a 335 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: mental picture of this missing mom had the gumino waters, Ashley, 336 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: what do you think about the state of their relationship? 337 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: I have not seen. Let me ask Dug Johnson. Has 338 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: the husband been out there searching at the forefront making plays? 339 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: Because everything I've heard has been her mother speaking, Doug. Yeah, 340 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: and at this point. I personally have not spoken to 341 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: the husband. I know we had a colleague of mine, 342 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: a Runa Shattucks, went to the home where he lived, 343 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: tried to knock on the door. He wasn't there. At 344 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: this point in time, he's not reached out to us, 345 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: And I would describe the relationship between the husband and 346 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: mothers as strained as far as I can tell. Okay, 347 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott judge's trial law your way in. Yeah. So 348 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: that's significant, a very important piece of the puzzle because 349 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: Nancy have pointed out in the past, we have kids. 350 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: You have kids. I have kids. Mothers generally, as a 351 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: general rule, do not leave their children. They have three 352 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: children together, Nancy, and typically you are not going to 353 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: see a mother of three children simply disappear off the 354 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: face of the earth. And so I suspect that the 355 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: police are absolutely considering that husband, especially hearing there's a 356 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: strange relationship. Something's up to you. Doug Johnson, Fox forty. 357 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the husband? Is it 358 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: correct that he has a criminal history? Oh? Yeah, I 359 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: think we've done some background on him that to suggest 360 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: he has does have a record, But beyond that, there's 361 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: not much more I can say again, I personally haven't 362 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: spoken to him, haven't really gotten his sight of these 363 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: the story. Well, if it's the right person, I can 364 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: state that there is someone by his name, but you 365 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: have to really match up by d ob and fingerprint. 366 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: There's a two sixteen incident where Gumina was busted for 367 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: having six guns, one of which was stolen, several high 368 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: velocity magazines, and myth. Twenty seventeen, he was sentenced to 369 00:22:53,880 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: five years probation for burglary and witness intimidation. We believe 370 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: he has a two thousand and two and two thousand 371 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: and three conviction for metha aphetamine possession. Okay, that's not good. 372 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: What about that, Ashley, Oh my gosh. When I hear that, 373 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: I really panic for this young lady because methamphetamine is 374 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: the scourge. It is. All drugs are bad, don't get 375 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: me wrong, but this is one that's highly addictive. They say, 376 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: if you take it once, it's then addictive, and it 377 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: causes so many changes in the human state, the human mind, 378 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 1: and the resulting crimes can be horrific. So that terrifies me. Again. 379 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: I know we don't know that he did it, but 380 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: it concerns me that he's involved for this beautiful young lady. 381 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: So what about it, Doctor Bethany Marshall, if I had 382 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: heard almost anything other than meth and guns, I mean, 383 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: if I had a shoplifting or burglary back in nineteen 384 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: ninety eight, or stolen vehicle that by saving it might 385 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: feel a little bit differently. This is very disturbing for me, Well, Nancy, 386 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: A love of gun is a predict A love of 387 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: guns and collecting guns is one of the risk factors 388 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: for violence. Right. We all know that there's a school 389 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: shooting or domestic commicide, or you know, an armed burglary 390 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: that goes wrong, or somebody's killed. You often see that 391 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: the person the perpetrator has a cache of guns and 392 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: has a long history of fascination with guns. So the 393 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: amount of weapons he has, the different types of weapons 394 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: really concern me. Secondly, when I hear meth, the term 395 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: that comes to my mind is overkilled. You know these 396 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: crimes you have covered over the years where somebody is 397 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: tied up more than they need to be tied up, 398 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: or bludgeoned multiple times or stabbed multiple times, where there 399 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: is an overkill aspect to the crime. Usually the perpetrator 400 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: is doing meth amphetamine, so guns math. It's a terrible combination. Nancy. 401 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: It makes me very concerned for this mom of three. 402 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, a former NYPD, Way and John, but 403 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: I do have to disagree with Bethany because I worked 404 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: a gun and robbery and a throfin led to homicides 405 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: and I'm a gun collector. I'm a gun inficianado. I'm 406 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: not a homicidal maniac. We often found some of the 407 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: most vicious people had one or two guns bought off 408 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: the street. So I don't think guns in and of 409 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: themselves are a factor. You have to look at the 410 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: domestic relationship and in terms of whether or not well wait, wait, wait, 411 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: John Cardillo. Now I am no gun expert, although I 412 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: did have to train for ten years as a d. 413 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: A's just a DA, right, But I mean, are you 414 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: actually arguing with doctor Bethany that it's more likely there's 415 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: gonna be gun violence when you have guns stored in 416 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: the home where you're a gun collector. I mean, look 417 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: at all the school shootings that didn't just happen because 418 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: the gun fell down the chimney. It's a false narrative. Statistically, 419 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: is not born out. There are thirty some thousand gun 420 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: debts a year in the United States. Sixty percent of 421 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: them are suicides, as opposed to oh, about eighty million 422 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: gun owners. And so I'm a guy who's fit a minute, whoa, 423 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: whoa wait wait wait, let's look at what you just said. Okay, 424 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: even with suicides, right with all death by gun overwhelmingly 425 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: that happens when guns have been stored or collected in 426 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: the home, not necessarily Hear what I'm saying is of 427 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the twelve thousand, there were twelve thousand, four hundred firearm 428 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: homicides according to the FBI. The ladies f BEHID numbers 429 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: are the twenty seventeen UCR. The twenty eighteen will be 430 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: out next month. According to those numbers, both of these 431 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: were crime on crime, street level perpetrators, drugs, or domestics. 432 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: Typically police might find one illegally owned firearm in the 433 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: far less they didn't say illegal or illegal. Well, and 434 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: the fact that they have a gun at home and 435 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: only a des million percentage far less than one percent 436 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: was illegal legally purchased firearm used bad guys have always 437 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: gotten guns. The gun is the is the symptom. It's 438 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: not the cause a bad guy wants to kill somebody, 439 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: a guy wants to do something bad to his wife, 440 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: He's gonna find a way to do that. Scott Peterson 441 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: killed Lacy Peterson and the baby without using a firearm. 442 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: We know that people are strangled. In fact, if you 443 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: look at the FBI UCR, far more people are killed 444 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: in the United States yearly body to body, being strangled, 445 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: being cunched, being kid Okay, why that we're not even 446 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: talking about that. Well, what I'm saying saying, when someone 447 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: has to set back and you use a plan B 448 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: argument because Plan A argument ain't working, that tells me 449 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: there's a problem with their Plan A argument. Well, not necessarily, 450 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. We're looking at the wrong symptom here. We're 451 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: saying because the guy was a gun, you gotta look 452 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: beyond that. You got to look at why. First of all, 453 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: was he was he involved with meth? Was he involved 454 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: with an organized criminal enterprise? Were they having domestic problems? 455 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: Was he involved with some kind of criminal enterprise that 456 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: she found out about, got fed up and wanted to 457 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: then blow the whistle on and call the police. I 458 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: think we've gotten to the place, are we too easily 459 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: demonize an object and we don't look at all of 460 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: the other factors we focus on it. I okay, well, 461 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: you know what, John Cardillo, no offense, but you keep 462 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: your head in the sand, in your butt in the 463 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: air about home gun collections and how gun violence or 464 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: gun accidents are more likely to happen when you have 465 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: guns at home. I mean, to me, that's just so 466 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: simple to understand. But I'm going to get back to 467 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: the case at hand of the disappearance of Heather Gamina Waters, 468 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: and we can continue our gun violence argument later. In fact, 469 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: just have it with Dr Bethany and your own on 470 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: your own time. The search goes on from missing mother 471 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: of three, Heather Gamina Waters. If you have information, tippline 472 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: five three zero six two one sixty six hundred repeat 473 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: five three zero six two one sixty six hundred, Crime 474 00:29:51,040 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Heather Gamina? I mean, 475 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: it's he Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 476 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: being with us right now. To Dave Matt Crime online 477 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, I want to get back to 478 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: this husband now, what, if anything do you know about 479 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: any convictions or arrests? Well, Nancy Anthony Gamina does have 480 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: a criminal history. Heather Gamina married Anthony Gamina the first 481 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: week of March this year, but two weeks before that wedding, 482 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: they got involved in a knockdown, drag out fight where 483 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: she had to call the police after he was beating 484 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: her up any headbuttetor now. He claimed that it was 485 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: a misunderstanding and that she called the cops in a 486 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: deliberate attempt to have him sent back to jail. Okay, 487 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail has done a phenomenal job with this 488 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: story and they were able to find out that, at 489 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: forty four years old, he's currently serving a five year 490 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: probation term after being convicted of burglary and witness and 491 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: intimidation in February of twenty seventeen. Now, there are other 492 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: arrests and things before that, including unarrest with his own 493 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: father back in twenty sixteen, where they were arrested on 494 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: firearms and drug charges, including having possession of meth. Doug Johnson, 495 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the husband helping or 496 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: not helping in the search or making any public plays 497 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: for his wife, Heather? Well, I do know that they 498 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: did organize some public searches for Heather before they found 499 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: the car, and I'm who is they? I'm sorry, friends 500 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: and family, No her mother. So then I ask you 501 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: specifically about the husband. I am not sure if the 502 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: husband took any part in moving Nancy Nancy Champion, Hey Nancy. 503 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: According to the Daily Mail, they had an exclusive interview 504 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: with Anthony Gamina. He claims he's helping in the search. 505 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: He claims he's helping in every way that he can. 506 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: A direct quote from him is He said that the 507 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies were here tom at his house for like 508 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: thirty hours doing an instigation. They took my car, they 509 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: walked every piece of land. So I'm cleaning up again 510 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: and again and again, and I'm dealing with my wife. 511 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't deserve this. He also said, look, this marriage 512 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: is not going to work out, but I would never 513 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: do anything like this talking about harming her. Well, Kathy 514 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: Schnyder is a family friend, and she said, look, we 515 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: don't hear from him much. We don't hear from him. 516 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: He's not helping with the search efforts, and he's not 517 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: in our search group. Doug Johnson at Fox forty News Sacramento, 518 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the searches. Well, I 519 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: know that they were having difficulty because they could only 520 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: really search on public land in the area, and there 521 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: are all a lot of private lots. It's not run 522 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: by the Bureau of Land Management or a forest Service. 523 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: And what they were telling me is that they couldn't 524 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: search on those properties without permission from the owners, as 525 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: some owners were cooperating, some warrant someone they couldn't get 526 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: a hold of, and really doing an organized search was 527 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: taking weeks because again they weren't exactly getting assistance from 528 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office in those searches. This was something that 529 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: was kind of a volunteer work force. People hearing about 530 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Heather missing that wanted to go out into the woods 531 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: and start searching for Dave Matt woy In. You know, Nancy, 532 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: one of the common things that we see in the 533 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: family interviews is how emotionally distraught they are. The family. 534 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: The Heather's mom is just devastated. You can hear it 535 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: in her voice, you can hear it in her extended family. 536 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: They are crushed. They actually you know, they've been prayer 537 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: vigils and things like that, and you know they actually 538 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: are crushed. I mean, where is this mother of three. 539 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Those kids have been left without a mom. They've got 540 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: family and friends that are taking care of them, but 541 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: these three kids, the family devastated right now wondering where's mom, 542 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: Where's my daughter? And the rest of us are thinking 543 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. Listen meantime, Russell says she and Heather's 544 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: three kids are starting to fear the worst. Her four 545 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: year old grandson is especially worried, like we can't even 546 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: really tell him, Like he keeps looking for his mom 547 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: and he wants to go over there and he can't. 548 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: Each day that goes by, the hopes of finding are okay, 549 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: get a little bit more scary. In addition to prayer, 550 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: we ask that you give us strength watch over Heather. 551 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: Many of those gathered here have done their own searches 552 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: for waters in the Plasterville Pleasant Valley area and are 553 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: desperate for deputies to do the same. But the department's 554 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: answer to that question is a question where there's been 555 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: no theory solid enough to give them a reliable location 556 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: to commit resources to first search. It just feels sick 557 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: to my stomach. I miss Heather, Miss Heather. The weight 558 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: of worry too much for loved ones to bear. One 559 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: minute longer. They want her home safe, her children, miss 560 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: hurt terribly and it's been a very very painful thing 561 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: for my family. Every day we wait as justice unfalls, 562 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: as the search goes on for a missing mother of three, 563 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: Heather Gamina Waters. If you have information to appline five 564 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 1: three zero six two one sixty six hundred Repeat five 565 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: three zero six two one sixty six hundred. Nancy Grace 566 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend.