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Speaker 1: and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone had a good weekend. Enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. I talked with Coward last

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Speaker 1: You get McCarthy, you get Tomlin, you get Rogers his wambam.

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Speaker 1: You can just get rid of me at any time.

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Speaker 1: I have no I don't actually have job security. As

429
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Speaker 1: we see in the NFL. Job security is based on

430
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Speaker 1: guaranteed dollars. Because if you don't have the guaranteed dollars,

431
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Speaker 1: you can cut me, throw me to this hide and

432
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: just move on. So Jim Orsay right now, but back

433
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Speaker 1: to the owners one just before we dive in, specifically

434
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Speaker 1: to Jim or saying, I don't think it's per reductive

435
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: to have your owners talking about contract situations. I know

436
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: technically Jerry is the GM, but ultimately he's the guy

437
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: that signed the check. You have mcve will McVeigh I

438
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: think his name is and McCarthy. Like, when it comes

439
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: to your football team, once the season starts, let them

440
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: do it. Now, that's not Jerry's deal. He talks all

441
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: the time, and Jim Mersay does too, and I think

442
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: it can make business very difficult. Like would it help

443
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers if Jed York just tweeted like, yeah,

444
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: we think Nick's asking for a little much. We know

445
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: he's an all time great player and we definitely are

446
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: not going to trade him and we are willing to

447
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: pay him, but we kind of have a number in

448
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: mind that would just create a controversy and a story

449
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't need to be had. So when Jim mersay,

450
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Speaker 1: one like, Jim clearly has some demons in his life.

451
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, just several years ago he was caught with

452
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: pills and a bunch of cash, And sometimes when you

453
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: hear him talk, you're like, is this guy back on

454
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: the sauce? Listen, we all deal with different things. I'm

455
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: not trying to shit on the guy, but I would

456
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Speaker 1: say Mersey doesn't feel like the most stable individual all

457
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Speaker 1: the time. So yesterday when it was reported that Jonathan Taylor,

458
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Speaker 1: who is demanded a trade we'll get into in a second.

459
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Speaker 1: But the high character, really really good player going into

460
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: year four of his professional career, was not a first

461
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: round pick, so this is technically the last year of

462
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: his deal. They don't have a fifth year option to

463
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: pick up and wants to get paid. The problem is

464
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Speaker 1: he wants sixteen million dollars. Like we said, contracts are

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Speaker 1: all based on comps. Who are we comparing like sixteen

466
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: million based on what some just arbitrary number. That's not

467
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Speaker 1: the way it works. So Ursa had snap back on

468
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: social media saying, basically, there was a CBA negotiated. Now

469
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: these running backs and their agents are kind of going rogue.

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Speaker 1: They're operating in bad faith. So then Jonathan Taylor, who

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Speaker 1: wants the contract, goes to Ursay, which I can't even

472
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Speaker 1: imagine being Chris ballor or being a member on the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff knowing that a guy that's very, very important

474
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Speaker 1: to this team's success is walking into that guy's office.

475
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: Here's the other variable on the team. They have a

476
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Speaker 1: young quarterback who I'm sure you probably saw the throw

477
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: that he made on the run across his body go viral.

478
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Speaker 1: Part of the reason he was drafted number four overall

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Speaker 1: based on his limited college success. Very very talented guy,

480
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Speaker 1: but he's also a rookie and there's a lot of

481
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: moving parts as a rookie. So to have this going

482
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Speaker 1: on with the guy that in theory should help him

483
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: out a lot is not ideal. Like this is a

484
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Speaker 1: little bit of a chaotic situation. And I would say

485
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: post Peyton Manning, they have been just kind of very

486
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Speaker 1: chaotic despite having some success. And I think one common

487
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: theme with the chaos and INDI is Ursay and I

488
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Speaker 1: don't even disagree with ursay, like Jonathan, we're not paying

489
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Speaker 1: you sixteen million dollars a year. We're also not trading you.

490
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Speaker 1: Because he came out and said we're not trading you.

491
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Speaker 1: But when he says that if Jonathan Taylor disappeared from

492
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Speaker 1: the league and I died, no one would notice, he's

493
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Speaker 1: not Even if Jonathan Taylor never played another snap beside

494
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: Colts fans, like most people wouldn't notice. The league would

495
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: go on. Hell, the Colts might have some random undrafted

496
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: free agent run for twelve hundred yards. Welcome to football.

497
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: The problem is him dealing with this situation is just

498
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: not needed. There's a reason you pay a GM five

499
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Speaker 1: million dollars. There's a reason you pay a coach eight

500
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: to fifteen million. This is why you pay them. When

501
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: you start meddling, when you start micromanaging these situations, you

502
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: just make it worse. These scenarios, especially with the running backs,

503
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: emotions are really high. And anytime emotions are really high

504
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: when it comes to business. What's the number one thing

505
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: they tell you about business? Remove the emotion then? Is

506
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: that something Uncle Colin has said for a decade plus.

507
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Take the emotion out of it? Take a deep breath.

508
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: That's the way you're supposed to do business. Now, I

509
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: understand it's easier said than done when the business is

510
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: yourself right. Hell, I'm in business. I'm the business, right.

511
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Speaker 1: I mean this is so it is a little more emotional.

512
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 1: It's not like some company that's just producing widgets and

513
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: you don't actually have like there's an assembly line. That's

514
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: not the way this works. Jonathan Taylor is a human.

515
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: He thinks he's undervalued. He knows the team needs him

516
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: for them to have success. But to me, Erste is

517
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: just making it worse, even if factually and objectively he's

518
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: not totally wrong about a lot of the things that

519
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: he's saying, but him, he's almost like throwing kerosene on

520
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: the fire and making it more difficult for his rookie

521
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: quarterback chaos rookie coach, chaos ballard scene at all. But

522
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: how are you supposed to do business in this environment?

523
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: And this is why he clearly it feels like post

524
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning got like cocky here's the wrong word, more arrogant,

525
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: just more his self worth in terms of the organization

526
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: has for whatever reason gone up and thinks that he

527
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: needs to dabble in things that he probably shouldn't be

528
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: dabbling in. Now to Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones, who just

529
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: he's a trip man. He's funny. You can see clips

530
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: of Jerry all over the internet. You got like the

531
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Keys to the City or some trophy from the Oxnard

532
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: governor or mayor, because you know, the Cowboys, they don't

533
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: do training camp in Texas. They come out to southern California,

534
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: which is genius, gross fan base. And Jerry held it up,

535
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: pretended it was the Lombardi trophy, started kissing it. I mean,

536
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: it was funny. It was It made me laugh. I'm

537
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. And part of Jerry and part of

538
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: ersa like. Ultimately, football is a reality television show and

539
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: it happens to be the number one television show in

540
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: America right now. So having these different characters does make

541
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: the entire thing more entertaining. But if you are a

542
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan, or if you are a Colts fan, I

543
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: understand being somewhat frustrated with always feeling you're fighting an

544
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: uphill battle when in theory, you know the Cowboys are

545
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: having a lot of success. And Jerry Jones said yesterday

546
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: basically they can't pay Zach back Martin. Who's one of

547
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: the better players I would say of the Cowboys over

548
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, DeMarcus ware Des Bryan Tonyer, Romo.

549
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's on the short list of Zeke had

550
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: a couple year stretch, but an elite player, Hall of

551
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Fame level player. I mean, he's a better player and

552
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Zeke because he's done it longer. But basically said, we're

553
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: not paying him. We've paid him a shitload over his career,

554
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: from the moment he got here to the extensions. He's

555
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: not getting a race. The contract is the contract, then

556
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: he kind of you know, added on at the end.

557
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: We need that money to pay Micah Parsons, which Michaeh

558
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Parsons does not get paid this year. So it's a

559
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: little weird. You wouldn't think, I guess technically contract eligible

560
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Speaker 1: because this is his third season, or I mean, is

561
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: he going into his fourth season? Last year was a second. No,

562
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: he's going into his third seas so he's not even

563
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: contract he's not eligible for a contract extension. So he

564
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one, twenty two, Yeah, so he's going

565
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: into his third season, so he's not even contract eligible.

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Speaker 1: Till twenty twenty four, next year's season. I'm sure he'll

567
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: get broken off in the offseason. But here's the thing, like,

568
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: why do you even need to talk, because clearly you're

569
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: having discussions and Jerry admitted to off the field like

570
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: they are talking. You just pissed these guys off because

571
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: likewise said, you can remove the emotion, but the players

572
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: are their business, so it becomes very emotional. And now

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Speaker 1: you're saying, we're not going to give you. It's one thing,

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00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Becuzach Martin's heard this. Jerry clearly has told his agent

575
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: Jerry Is, I'm sure or Mike reiterated this to him

576
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: personally and specifically. But when you say this publicly, now

577
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: you know exactly what they're saying to me. It makes it,

578
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: like I said, with the Colts, much more chaotic and

579
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of unnecessary. And I think sometimes we've talked a

580
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: lot about the wealth of the owners, the amount of

581
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: money they've made, the amount in sports like look at baseball,

582
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Speaker 1: all every contract that signed with the player worth a

583
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: shit always has opt outs. Like the players run it basketball,

584
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the players are in full control. Football is still a

585
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: sport where management runs it, and clearly it's the healthiest

586
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: thing for us, the consumer. But I think sometimes these

587
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: owners can just I struggle with this, but just keep

588
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: your mouth shut. It's just unnecessary. And I do wonder

589
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: if Jerry just kind of made the situation a little

590
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: messier unnecessarily on the Jonathan Taylor trade talk. And this

591
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: speaks to what Jim Mersey said, like, your market's your market.

592
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: No one's paying you sixty million dollars guaranteed, no one

593
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: would pay you forty five million dollars guaranteed. And when

594
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: he demands a trade, it's a double whammy. As Jim

595
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Mersay said, We're not trading Jonathan Taylor, not now, not

596
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: in October, not ever. The problem is what, and I

597
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: saw a lot of people like social media accounts, what

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00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: is Jonathan Taylor's market doesn't exist, not because he's not

599
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: an elite player, but what team is trading a high

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00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: pick for a running back and then extending them. That's

601
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the entire thing that we have been discussing is teams

602
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: now know that they can get starting running backs in

603
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the draft. What happens when you do that,

604
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: they're cheap. No one is trading a second round pick,

605
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: which is arguably the most valuable pick you have because

606
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: you get them on a not just a cost controlled contract,

607
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: but a much cheaper contract than a first round pick.

608
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: And usually you get a starter or Jonathan Taylor and

609
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: then giving him a huge extension. The reason happens with

610
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, or with Khalil Mack or with Devontae Adams.

611
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Those guys play in the league considered premium positions, and

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: that's not the case with a running back. The last

613
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: time a running back was traded for a really high pick,

614
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: it was an utter disaster. Goes by the name of

615
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Trent Richardson, which ironically happened to be the Colts. But

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00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he has any market, not because teams

617
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: in the league don't think he's good. Not because teams

618
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: in the league wouldn't want them on their team, right.

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00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: You don't think putting them on the Bills, the Chargers

620
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: or some of these teams that lack a true like

621
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: physical running back between the tackles wouldn't immediately improve themselves.

622
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: But it's just bad business. So he could demand a

623
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: trade all he wants, and if it was another position,

624
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: I'd say, God, this could get really dicey. Not only

625
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: regardless of what Jim Mersey said, I just don't think

626
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: teams around the league would be willing to give them

627
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: anything of value. Okay, let's fire around the league really quick.

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00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers, Kyle Shanahan said today that Nick

629
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Bosa has no clue where they're at. I've said this

630
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: over and over. The forty nine ers are pretty consistent

631
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: with this. They will play hard ball when it comes

632
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: to the last tennish million dollars of a contract. They're not

633
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: just going to give it away. They're not Jerry Jones

634
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: when he signs these contracts. They will make you fight

635
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: for it a little bit, but they'll pay it. He's

636
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. He will be paid. But I could

637
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: see the negotiation getting a little weird for you know,

638
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: a week or two. Sam Darnold had an excellent day

639
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: of practice by all accounts and reports. I saw Chris

640
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: sim say a couple of days ago. Chris Sims remembers,

641
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: here's a tattoo with Kyle Shanahan that he's the number

642
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: two quarterback. There aren't competitions going on in San Francisco.

643
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: Regardless regardless what is said, brock Perty is the starter.

644
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold is the number two. The question is are

645
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers going to go into Week one

646
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: with a nine to nine and a half million dollar

647
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: third string quarterback? Now Trey Lance a lot like Jonathan Taylor.

648
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: There's not really a market, So would they just trade him,

649
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: They'd have to eat some money for like a six

650
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: round pick, or they just kind of keep because he

651
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: is a really high character guy. They like him a lot,

652
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I would imagine and hope he's better than Brandon Allen,

653
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: but he's a third string quarterback. Frank Gore I love

654
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: when football guys that retire from football as a player

655
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: are just so addicted to the game they can't stay

656
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: awake or stay away. And Frank Luke Keigley did that.

657
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Remember he had to retire early with all the concussions.

658
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Then boom, he went right to work for the Carolina Panthers.

659
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: You kind of see that with Frank. I mean, the

660
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: dude just got a Niche played forever as a running back,

661
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: just refuse to quit and now is just an advisor

662
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: to the front office. He has it, you know, aspirations

663
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: of being a scout, being a GM Frank Gore is

664
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: the man and last on the forty nine Ers is

665
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk. He's just kicking ass and taking names of practice.

666
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's a big time player, and I

667
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: think the forty nine ers are kind of in a

668
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: tough situation. The Bengals aren't going to find themselves in

669
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: this situation over the next couple of years. It's really

670
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: hard to build a good team, regardless of your quarterback situation.

671
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: When you have two highly paid wide receivers. Now Jamar

672
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Chase is going to make more than T Higgins, but

673
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: T Higgins is gonna get paid right, just like Brandon Aiyuk.

674
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: Can you have two wide receivers making over eighteen to

675
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars and one guy making twenty five to

676
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: thirty It's hard to build a team that way, so

677
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: it does. There was a reason that the forty nine

678
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Ers picked up his fifty year option the last possible second.

679
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: They really liked the guy, right, But I do think

680
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: they thought about trading him, not because they don't want

681
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: him on their team. This is a business. This is

682
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: not Madden, this is not fantasy football. You actually have

683
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: to build a salary cap around fifty three guys and

684
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: make it all work. And when you have highly paid

685
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: guys being paid a premium, it can be kind of complicated.

686
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: A couple tight end stories. Jimmy Graham re signing with

687
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 1: the Saints kind of cool. Hasn't been in the league

688
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Not sure what to expect. I'm

689
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: not necessarily expecting much, but always like when kind of

690
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: a famous player reunites with a franchise, even if he

691
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: ends up not making it to Week one. Just cool

692
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: little story and one thing to keep an eye on.

693
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: And people, if you've listened this for a while, know

694
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: that I'm not the most bullish guy in the New

695
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: York Giants. I don't know if I'm going to pick

696
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: him and to make the playoffs, right, but if you

697
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: tell me this guy play sixteen seventeen games, all reports

698
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: are the Darren Waller, who they traded for this offseason,

699
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: is dominating a training game. When Darren Waller is on

700
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: the field and he's healthy, he's an elite player. He's uncoverable.

701
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: He moves like an outside wide receiver, but he's a

702
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: tight end. I mean, he's like Travis Kels. The problem

703
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: has been the last couple of years is injuries. And

704
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: that was before he got paid and after he got paid,

705
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: he was just not reliable. I saw headlined by the

706
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: Action Network, their statistics or analytics have the Raiders a

707
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo injury away from being the worst team in

708
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: the league. Like if Jimmy Garoppolo is missing on a

709
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: given week, they're just viewed as a terrible team. It's like, well,

710
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo gets hurt a lot, so get ready he's

711
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: going to be injured. Same thing with Darren Waller. It's

712
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: just hard for me to rely or at least I

713
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: would say project that he's just going to be around now.

714
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: If he is around to go around with Saquon Barkley.

715
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: I would expect more out of Daniel Jones this year,

716
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: for sure. This story's kind of cool. I love it

717
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: when the game has changed so much, just in general

718
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: with players, right, all the player podcasts, like they're more

719
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: relevant than a lot of the local radio shows on

720
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: said team. Right. Everything the Kelseys have just some Jason

721
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Kelsey is just a natural. He has some hilarious stories.

722
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: He told a story the other day about a joke

723
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: that was made by the rookies in the rookie like

724
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, talent show. It was fucking hilarious. I highly

725
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: recommend just search their social stuff. It's funny. But some

726
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: guys are just like building businesses off the field. Most

727
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: famously Brady tried to do with TV twelve. But then

728
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: it started getting weird. It was like, are the crafts

729
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: paying for you know, the because they owned the building

730
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: where TV twelve was in. It was like, are they

731
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: circumventing the salary cap? I give him money out of

732
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: the table, which doesn't bother me at all. But Tyler Lockett,

733
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: who has a real estate company, just that real estate

734
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: company became the official realator of the Seattle Seahawks. If

735
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: you are in business as a player, you are insane

736
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: to not try to do direct business with the team

737
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: that you're associated with. And Florio wrote this thing, how

738
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of shady, and Tyler Lockett said, we went

739
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: through all the right channels. I went through the business,

740
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: We followed all the rules. I'm paying for whatever X

741
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: number it costs to get this on my organization. I

742
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: think that's really cool. And any player that has any

743
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: sort of business in said community where they play would

744
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: be crazy to not try to do something like this.

745
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: The Patriots brought in Ezekiel Elliott. Clearly they've been sniffing

746
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: around when it comes to some sort of physical short

747
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: yardage running back, like they were all over Dalvin Cook.

748
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: Now I saw mac Jones took Zeke out to either

749
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: out to dinner or they were eating together in the cafeteria.

750
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Bill sniffing around, you know, Bill. Bill feels like he's

751
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: got to speak to the fire a little bit. There's

752
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: some urgency in that organization. He ain't trying to lose.

753
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if Zeke would be a great like

754
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: a swing piece stad, but be fascinating to watch Zeke

755
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Elliot with the Patriots. I always love in professional sports

756
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: when someone gets in trouble at practice, especially in football

757
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: at training camp, and they make you run like gassers. Right.

758
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: It's like there was a fight with the Browns who

759
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: Mary Kay Cabot had on our Twitter account, Like basically,

760
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: a linebacker hit one of the offensive linemen and then

761
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: he ran away and the offensive lineman just trailed them

762
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: and they ended up fighting, and then Stefans game made

763
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: him run gassers like. I always loved the thought of

764
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: making like Deshaun Watson or Amari Cooper or Nick Chubb

765
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: run Gasters. It's like, guys, what a waste of energy

766
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: for those guys especially you think a Marii Cooper is

767
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: going to struggle to get up and down the field

768
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: and you're just going to tire out, you know, your

769
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: big heavies who It just it's kind of stupid, but

770
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: I always find it it's very We all do it

771
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: in high school or pee wee football right when you

772
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: get in trouble, you run, or eighth grade basketball. When

773
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: you see professionals, I mean, you're talking at some of

774
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: these guys. Your quarterbacks making forty eight million dollars, you

775
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: get some defensive linemen making twenty eight million dollars. You

776
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: got wide receivers and running backs on your team making

777
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty million dollars, and you're making them run Gasters

778
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: over fight that they had nothing to do with. Always

779
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: find hilarious. And then Travis Kelcey who caught a touchdown

780
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: in practice. I don't exactly know who the defensive player

781
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: was hit the ball or you know, try to do

782
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: one of those. He got his foot down, it's a touchdown.

783
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Tries to hit the ball out like to create a fumble,

784
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: even though it wouldn't be a fumble and then Kelsey

785
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: slugs him back. Kelsey comes out on social media apologizes

786
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: say he has to be a better leader, clearly coming

787
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: from the headman, because as Andy said, it's such a

788
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: waste to fight in practice, we have a limited amount

789
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: of reps, we have a limited amount of energy with

790
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: the heat, the humidity, and in games when you do that,

791
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: you get thrown out. Like if Travis Kelce closed his

792
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: fist and swung it at a defender, he would get

793
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: tossed out of the game. So it doesn't It's not

794
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: a productive thing to do. And last but not least,

795
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of rumblings would boot a

796
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Baker be traded and I think a lot of teams

797
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: would be very, very interested. It felt like, you know,

798
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: he was holding out in the offseason. Was it over money?

799
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: Was it over because the team was gonna suck? Well?

800
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: They kind of reading his contract, they gave him a

801
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: little signing bonus up front, they incentivized some more money,

802
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: and it feels like he's all in now. To me,

803
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I got him circled as a guy right around the

804
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: trade deadline who's got being on another team written all

805
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: over them? Like I would imagine if I, if I

806
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: had to take a guess, July thirtieth, Buddha Baker will

807
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: be on a different team post trade deadline. The volume