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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Thursday. Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: check podcast. We are forty eight hours removed from essentially

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the midterm elections, and I'll get to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six campaign started Election Night twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Obviously some of you may have watched watch my Election

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Speaker 1: guests who brought information. It was data oriented. This wasn't

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Speaker 1: was simply what was happening. What should we learn from this?

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Speaker 1: What's the takeaways with people who are charged with either

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Speaker 1: What do you wish we didn't do that we did?

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Speaker 1: So that's my long interview. It's a great conversation, and again,

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Speaker 1: But in some ways it's an important piece of information

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Speaker 1: off year, you're going to have there's there's you know,

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Speaker 1: we're we're hitting an interesting six week period where if

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Speaker 1: you are on the fence about running for reelection, you've

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Speaker 1: got to this is your final your final time, your

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Speaker 1: final exit ramp before filing deadlines begin. In fact, there's

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Speaker 1: some filing deadlines that are just about to come up

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Speaker 1: right now for the early twenty twenty six primaries. But

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Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, if you're going, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to retire, and you're you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: you thought you were going to run for reelection, you

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Speaker 1: wanted to see what the political environment was going to

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Speaker 1: be at the end of the year. Well, you've now

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Speaker 1: got a taste, because you know, if history is any guide,

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Speaker 1: you know how these twenty how these off off year

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Speaker 1: election goes, they absolutely foreshadow what's going to happen a

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Speaker 1: year later, barring some unforeseen event that radically changes the

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Speaker 1: political landscape. And that we've lived through terrorist attacks and

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Speaker 1: a pandemic. I'm not going to sit here and say

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Speaker 1: that there's you know, no zero, The chances are zero

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Speaker 1: there's some event that just totally upends everything. But let's

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Speaker 1: be realistic, it's more likely than not that that won't happen.

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Speaker 1: That if anything, we're going to continue to have this

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Speaker 1: sort of uneven economy, an economy that those that don't

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Speaker 1: have are going to feel like they're being left behind.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to have an angry electorate on the economy.

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Speaker 1: The tariffs are none of them do good for the economy,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, we may get more chaos as it

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Speaker 1: appears that the Supreme Court is going to say that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is violating the Constitution with his tariff policy,

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Speaker 1: and that this all has to you know that this

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Speaker 1: is the power, This is a power that Congress has.

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Speaker 1: It is not a power that the executive branch has,

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Speaker 1: which will only set his agenda back even further. So

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Speaker 1: you know how many Republicans House Republicans decide, why do

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Speaker 1: I got to pay Donald Trump's debt? When Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: not on the ballot? Right, maybe I can win reelection

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump can get his voters out and I

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Speaker 1: can suck it up and take the uncomfortable aspects of

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Speaker 1: supporting Trump that come with it, because he brings a

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Speaker 1: type of a different type of voter to the polls

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Speaker 1: that nobody sees in polling, and it helps them win reelection.

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Speaker 1: But if Donald Trump's not on the ballot, and you

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Speaker 1: have to essentially you get all the downside of Trump

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Speaker 1: with none of the upside. Do you want to run

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Speaker 1: for reelection if you're in a if you're in a

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Speaker 1: tough race. So the biggest development, I think, and the

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Speaker 1: biggest piece of fallout that's coming, is going to be

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be some additional retirements throw in

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Speaker 1: this redistricting madness that has taken place. Right, talk about

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Speaker 1: a reminder, be careful what you know, would pick your cliche,

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Speaker 1: Be careful what you wish for or when you know,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to start a war, it's much harder to

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Speaker 1: end it. So Donald Trump orders Texas to start this

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Speaker 1: redistricting war. It rallies Gavin Newsom and organizes the California

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and unifies them in a way that they

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Speaker 1: haven't been unified in decades. You've now got a record

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Speaker 1: number of House delegates in the Virginia Assembly, encouraging them

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Speaker 1: now to do redistricting that will favor the Democrats, that

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Speaker 1: will put more pressure on Maryland to join. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: been pressure put on your Indiana's, your Missouri's, Kansas has

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Speaker 1: decided to pull back. But I imagine now you know,

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Speaker 1: in for a dime, in for a dollar, you're going

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Speaker 1: to see Trump go even harder at Kansas to have

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Speaker 1: to do this. But the irony all this is is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump thought he was going to be gaining an

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Speaker 1: advantage doing this. Democrats are fighting fire with fire. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry that the unintended consequence is going to be fewer

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Speaker 1: competitive elections in general, But the larger outcome here is

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Speaker 1: going to be We're going to go from a faily

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Speaker 1: even national map when it comes to house races to

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Speaker 1: a fairly even national map after all these changes are made,

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Speaker 1: you know, Okay, so maybe you pick up three or

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Speaker 1: four in Texas on the Republican side, Democrats may pick

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Speaker 1: up three or four. In California, Republicans may get one

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Speaker 1: or two more. In Indiana, Democrats may get three more.

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Speaker 1: In Virginia, Republicans may get one more. In Missouri, they

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Speaker 1: may get one or two more. In North Carolina, Democrats

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Speaker 1: could get another one or two if they choose to

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Speaker 1: in a New York or New or even in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: The point is they and then you had Ohio Republicans

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Speaker 1: cut a deal that is a less aggressive map that

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Speaker 1: Republicans could have embarked on. Look, the downside is just

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Speaker 1: fewer competitive races. But I'll tell you this too, because

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Speaker 1: there's something else that developed out of the election night

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. You know, a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 1: and this is always a mistake, you know, never assume

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Speaker 1: that your success in a presidential election year means your

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Speaker 1: new coalition becomes durable. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: Republicans thought, hey, look we won these Latino voters. Now

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Speaker 1: they're in there are voters just like Barack Obama in

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and to excumeing twenty twelve did extraordinarily well

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Speaker 1: with Latinos, and so there it was. Democrats thought, there

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Speaker 1: it is. They just have to do the youth, young voters,

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Speaker 1: black voters, and brown voters, and they win. And it

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Speaker 1: turned out nope. You know, there was plenty of voters

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Speaker 1: who were voting for Barack Obama who would go back

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Speaker 1: to being up for grabs. Barack Obama wasn't on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: And there's plenty of these working class voters, whether you're black, white, Hispanic,

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Speaker 1: that are pocketbook sensitive and they're going to vote for

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Speaker 1: the candidate that is speaking to the issues they care

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Speaker 1: the most about. Well, Donald Trump was talking about prices

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Speaker 1: and cost of living issue in twenty twenty four. He's

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Speaker 1: not doing that in twenty twenty five. Democrats in New

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Speaker 1: Jersey and in New York City and in Virginia. One

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Speaker 1: thing all three of those winners did that was similar

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Speaker 1: was talk about cost of living issues. And they guess what,

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Speaker 1: they all did better with Latino voters than Kamala Harris did,

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Speaker 1: who didn't talk about those issues. She closed with the

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Speaker 1: democracy issue. So imagined redistricting Texas, thinking, oh, look We've

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Speaker 1: got this new constituency of Latino voters that are now

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Speaker 1: going to be Republican voters. No they're not. They're swing voters,

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Speaker 1: and they're probably going to be swing voting. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the working class voter in America has always been the

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Speaker 1: swing voter if you look at politics more through class

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Speaker 1: than you do identity, and I think that's been the mistake.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that. I think the Democratic Party's mistake

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Speaker 1: since Obama was assuming they won those voters on identity issues,

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Speaker 1: not due to financial issues, which really is a translation

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Speaker 1: class issues. Republicans went after these voters of color using class,

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Speaker 1: not identity. And when you look at why you know

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Speaker 1: Reagan Democrats voted Republican, well, that was code for working

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Speaker 1: class Democrats in the Midwest voters. Yes, there was certainly

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Speaker 1: there was certainly a cultural connection on that front, but

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Speaker 1: ultimately they were voting on their own issues and its

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Speaker 1: class issues. And so the working class vote in America

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Speaker 1: it's always been the swing vote. And the mistake Democrats

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Speaker 1: made for the last decade was treating Latino voters like

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Speaker 1: they were an identity group that belonged to the Democratic Coalition,

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Speaker 1: when ultimately many Latino voters are blue collar, are in

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Speaker 1: blue collar jobs, and are voting pocketbook issues. They don't

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Speaker 1: look at the two parties as part of their identity.

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Speaker 1: They look at the two parties the same way men,

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Speaker 1: any voters look at the two parties, which one is

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Speaker 1: going to give me an opportunity for a better quality

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Speaker 1: of life? You know, this is where it goes. You know,

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Speaker 1: the infamous Carvel line. If it's the economy stupid, it's

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Speaker 1: always to a group of voters, it's always about their issues,

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Speaker 1: their financial stability. So bottom line, this wasn't a good

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Speaker 1: night for Democrats. It was a great night for Democrats

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Speaker 1: to get over sixty seats in that Virginia House. That

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Speaker 1: delegates to me for shadows what could be the beginning

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Speaker 1: of a blue wave election. Now, look, there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot that could change things. The Republicans and Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: have a ton of money. But I do keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on this. It is going to be easier for

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Speaker 1: a Republican. There's going to be many Republican candidates are

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Speaker 1: going to start to distance themselves from Trump in some

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Speaker 1: form or another, or try to. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anybody can do it outside of Susan Collins because she's

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Speaker 1: been doing it for so long. She's just in some

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Speaker 1: ways main voters do not consider her trumpet. How does

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Speaker 1: that work itself out? And the more the more vulnerable

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Speaker 1: Trump looks, the weaker he looks, the more he's going

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Speaker 1: to lash out, the more he's going to attack anybody

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Speaker 1: that tries to essentially seek a little distance for him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look when some Earl series, she tried to

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Speaker 1: have it both ways. She wanted the magabase, but she

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Speaker 1: knew the Northern Virginia voters, right. It says a lot

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Speaker 1: to me that Glenn Youngkin's fifty five percent job rating,

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Speaker 1: that one in four young positive youngin job approvers voter

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Speaker 1: Frabagil Spamberger. So you know, to me, it's another sign

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Speaker 1: that this was as much about Trump as it was

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Speaker 1: about anything else. If the Republican Party brand is non Trump,

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Speaker 1: they have an easier chance in some of these elections

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Speaker 1: than they do when they're associated. When the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: brand becomes synonymous with Trump's brand. And so that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be looking for over the next six

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Speaker 1: weeks is are you going to start to see more

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Speaker 1: Republicans try to find their way to seek some distance

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Speaker 1: on some issues. It's going to be made easy for

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Speaker 1: him Supreme Court rules against his authority over tariffs. Watch

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Speaker 1: how many Republican senators start to act more independently on

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Speaker 1: the issue of tariff's. You already have seen it a

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Speaker 1: little bit, right. He's putting pressure on them with nuke

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Speaker 1: and the filibuster. It's interesting who's with them. It is

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Speaker 1: those that are in some ways more maggatrue believers. Your

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly's, your Jim Banks, They're all in. It's the

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Speaker 1: institutionalists that are pushing back and the Senate Republicans. There's

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Speaker 1: still quite a few of the institutionalists there. There are

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Speaker 1: two people that I'm very curious to see what they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to say about the filibuster on that

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Speaker 1: side of the aisle. One is Rick Scott and the

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Speaker 1: others Tom Cotton. Both have wanted to be always sought

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Speaker 1: approval of a world, but they've always been in the

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Speaker 1: It's a fine line, right, they're a little bit my

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Speaker 1: canaries in the coal mine. If they start to seek

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Speaker 1: distance from Trump on something, it tells me that we

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Speaker 1: might be seeing more Republicans abandonship. But that's the big

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Speaker 1: short term development, to keep an eye on how Trump mishandles, frankly,

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Speaker 1: the fallout from this election. He's gonna he's already flailing's

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Speaker 1: he is not accepting the premise that he creates this weather,

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Speaker 1: and how elected Republicans walk this line and deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be something to watch and

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Speaker 1: certainly something I'm going to keep an eye on. And

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Speaker 1: it could be in the words Valley Barber, good gets better,

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Speaker 1: bad gets worse. Democrats had a good night and they

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Speaker 1: appeared they could be This could improve candidate recruiting. They're

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Speaker 1: going to suddenly have Senate candidates in Alaska and in

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Speaker 1: Kansas and in places they've been trying to recruit because

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Speaker 1: you're going to have fencit or say hey, maybe this

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Speaker 1: is a good year to run as a Democrat in

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Speaker 1: a light red state like Kansas. And then on the

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Speaker 1: opposite side you may see bad gets worse. Republicans had

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Speaker 1: a bad night. If you're on the fence about seeking reelection,

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Speaker 1: you think Donald Trump's a drag, you don't get any

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Speaker 1: of the upside of Trump being on the ballot. You

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Speaker 1: may seek to run for decide to retire instead of

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Speaker 1: seek reelection. Opening the door for more room for a

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Speaker 1: Democrat to run. So this is why what happened on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night is so significant and potentially such a huge

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Speaker 1: game changer going into twenty twenty six because guess what

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Speaker 1: it's I'm now in the thirty to forty five percent

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Speaker 1: range in my head that Democrats could win control of

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Speaker 1: both the House and the Senate. Get it, get an

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Speaker 1: So with that, let's take a break. We'll sneak at

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Speaker 1: Their fee is free unless they win. Well. It's been

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Speaker 1: a couple generations since the United States added a star

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Speaker 1: to its flag. We've had fifty states. Now going back,

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Speaker 1: I guess my, in my entire lifetime, we've been fifty.

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Speaker 1: I guess sudden the oldest generation that can say that,

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Speaker 1: because of course, we added states in Hawaii and Alaska.

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Speaker 1: Before that, there's been two potential new states that have

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Speaker 1: been sort of on and off again. One is for

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Speaker 1: the District of Columbia and one is Puerto Rico. Just

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Speaker 1: to give a summary, there's over four according to the

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Speaker 1: last census, over four million Americans who live in a

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Speaker 1: territory or a district that does not have any state representation,

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Speaker 1: and four basically four of those four million reside in

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Speaker 1: either Puerto Rico in DC. To break it down further,

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico with a population twenty twenty four EPs of

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Speaker 1: three point two million. If it were a state, it

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Speaker 1: would essentially be approximately the size of Iowa and Utah

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Speaker 1: population wise, which means at least four members of Congress

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Speaker 1: a full anywhere, depending on the estimate you use, anywhere

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Speaker 1: from eighteen to twenty states have less population than Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 1: As for the District of Columbia, there are two states

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Speaker 1: with less population, Yoming and Vermont. So now, if you're

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Speaker 1: asking about the Pacific Islands, I did do those numbers

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Speaker 1: as well. Combined you're looking at about three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand, so not even quite one congressional district Quam

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Speaker 1: Guam at over one hundred fifty thousand, and the US

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Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, which I've got an idea on this that

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Speaker 1: I will will I will put further, has about eighty

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Speaker 1: seven thousand American Simona with a fifty little under fifty thousand,

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Speaker 1: then the Northern Mariana Islands under fifty thousand. So if

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Speaker 1: you took basically, it's about two hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: Americans in Pacific Island territories, and with the eighty with

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Speaker 1: the nearly one hundred thousand in the US Virgin Island

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Speaker 1: to throw that in with Puerto Rico, you're looking at

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Speaker 1: three point three million. But that's the scenario. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who don't have representation, who pay taxes

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Speaker 1: without representation, living in the DMV, which in this case

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Speaker 1: is not the division of Motor Vehicles, but when I

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Speaker 1: talk about the district Maryland and Virginia, that's what that

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Speaker 1: DMV stands for. I've spent a lot of time with

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Speaker 1: people who have had efforts to get statehood for DC.

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Speaker 1: There were moments it was close and not in Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 1: There's a sort of a three way divide, if you will,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the statehood conversation. There are some

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Speaker 1: people that want full independence, there are some people that

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Speaker 1: want full statehood, and there are even others on the

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Speaker 1: island that still argue for essentially what we have so

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Speaker 1: far a commonwealth with the you know, with the American

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Speaker 1: umbrella citizenship. But that's about it. So joining me to

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Speaker 1: discuss the fight for Stato. These are two advocates for statehood,

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Speaker 1: both with Puerto Rico and DC, because I believe you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get one state. The only shot you

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Speaker 1: have it each has is probably working together two states

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Speaker 1: and give both parties the idea that they have something

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Speaker 1: to gain here. George las Garcia is the executive director

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Speaker 1: of the Puerto Rican Statehood Council and the shadow representative

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Speaker 1: from DC who is the elected to lobby for statehood.

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Speaker 1: Oya oh Olewa joins me. I will be using his

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Speaker 1: nickname of Oya for the rest of the time. Thank

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Speaker 1: you both for joining us. Oh yea, I hope you're

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Speaker 1: okay with that.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you. I want to give you

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Speaker 1: a shout out here because you and I have been

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Speaker 1: talking for some time about this issue. You've always been

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Speaker 1: looking for better ways to get more national coverage of this,

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Speaker 1: and I suggested, hey, why don't we why don't we

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Speaker 1: get somebody advocating for Puerto Rican statehood and let's have

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Speaker 1: you guys on together. And sure enough, Oh yeah, you

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Speaker 1: were my booker on this one. So thank you. Let

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Speaker 1: me start. Let me start with you, O, which is

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Speaker 1: about ten years ago. I thought, you know, maybe DC

742
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Speaker 1: statehood happens in my lifetime, and then, you know, and

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Speaker 1: then some roadblocks have been hit. How would you describe

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Speaker 1: the status? I just recently sat down with Mayor Bowser

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Speaker 1: and she, you know, fights she you know, the issue

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Speaker 1: of the National Guard was a reminder as she said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like it, that's why you need to

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Speaker 1: advocate for statehood. Where would you how would you describe

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Speaker 1: where we are on the fight for statehood in the district.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for that question, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned before, we had the opportunity to become

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Speaker 2: a state, whether it's having the Democrats control of the House,

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Speaker 2: Senate and the presidency. However, the fight for DZ state

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Speaker 2: was never really prioritized. And when I became the US

755
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Speaker 2: representative four or five years ago, the conversation about statehood

756
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Speaker 2: usually relied and ended at congressional.

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Speaker 3: Representation, which is critical for DC.

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Speaker 2: However, since my election, we've seen things like our old

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Speaker 2: our bills being overturned by Congress, the National Guard not

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Speaker 2: being deployed on time on January sixth, even more recently,

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Speaker 2: the federal occupation of agents on the grounds of DC.

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Speaker 3: So we're seeing people, you know, really activate behind the

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Speaker 3: idea of DC becoming a state.

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Speaker 2: But definitely politically we're taking a step back because the

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Speaker 2: same dynamics that we may have enjoyed in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight isn't here in twenty twenty five. But because

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Speaker 2: of your platform, because of other people speaking, I believe

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Speaker 2: we are a getting closer and closer to DC state

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Speaker 2: would being an actual issue.

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Speaker 1: George, walk me through where how's the state of Puerto

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Speaker 1: Rican statehood is? And if you have a pushback on

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Speaker 1: how I described the debate, I've always thought that one

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Speaker 1: of the challenges for Puerto Rican statehood is that the

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Speaker 1: fact that it isn't at clean there Really there aren't

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Speaker 1: two sides of the argument in Puerto Rico. There are

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Speaker 1: three sides to the argument.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Chuck for the opportunity.

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Speaker 4: The issue of Puerto Rico. Statehood is one that has

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Speaker 4: made a lot of progress in the past decades. As

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Speaker 4: you mentioned, on the island, political parties aren't necessarily aligned

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Speaker 4: along the republican and democratic political spectrum. They've mostly been

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Speaker 4: focused on where the political parties support the different status solutions.

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Speaker 4: So there's been a very small minority traditionally between two

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Speaker 4: and about six percent that supports full independence for Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 5: Smaller it's been that small.

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Speaker 4: There has been a larger political party that has had

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Speaker 4: the control of the governorship and the legislature for a

788
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Speaker 4: lot of the twentieth century that supports either continuing as

789
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Speaker 4: a territory or improving that in some way. They call

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Speaker 4: it the commonwealth and use that term earlier, but the

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Speaker 4: reality is the Supreme Court Justice justices have decided in

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Speaker 4: a number of cases that ultimately, even though that's a

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Speaker 4: formal name of Puerto Rico Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, for

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Speaker 4: the purposes of the US Constitution, Puerto Rico is an

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Speaker 4: unincorporated territory, meaning that it belongs to the United States.

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Speaker 5: It's a property the United States.

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Speaker 4: But it isn't actually incorporated into the Union permanently, which

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Speaker 4: is one of the constitutional differences between Puerto Rico and Washington,

799
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Speaker 4: d C. Which is definitely incorporated on a permanent basis

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Speaker 4: into the Union.

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Speaker 1: It's written into the Constitution. Right, DC's existence is written

802
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Speaker 1: into the Constitution.

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, So DC couldn't be made into a independent country.

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Speaker 4: They either become a state, they're retroceeded into another existing state,

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Speaker 4: or they stay as what they are.

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Speaker 5: You know, right now, with Puerto Rico, we've got different options.

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Speaker 4: Right, We've got independence, which a majority of the island

808
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Speaker 4: residents have consistently opposed. We've got continuing to be a territory,

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Speaker 4: which means that you get treated unequally under federal laws

810
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Speaker 4: and programs, and you don't have a full participation in

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Speaker 4: the US Congress that makes the laws that you live under. Right,

812
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Speaker 4: so you get kind of this terrible treatment of you know,

813
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Speaker 4: unequal treatment under laws and then.

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Speaker 5: No representation the body that makes those laws.

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Speaker 4: And then we've got an added factor, which is that,

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Speaker 4: like DC, the Congress can actually govern.

817
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Speaker 5: Us at the local level.

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Speaker 4: So all states across the Union, they've got the Tenth

819
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Speaker 4: Amendment where the state itself is a sovereign and it

820
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: reserves all the rights to the states and the people

821
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Speaker 4: that aren't explicitly granted to the federal government by the

822
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Speaker 4: Constitution in the case of Washington, d C. In Puerto Rico,

823
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Speaker 4: Congress can literally pass local laws that govern us, and

824
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Speaker 4: in the case of Puerto Rico, they've done so.

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Speaker 5: And what that has done, most recently is.

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Speaker 4: Mean that we have a federal oversight board that is

827
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Speaker 4: essentially ruling Puerto Rico over and above the decisions of

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Speaker 4: our elected officials. And what this has done is it

829
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Speaker 4: has pushed the residents on the island to recognize the

830
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Speaker 4: continuing under territory status isn't the best option, and an

831
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Speaker 4: over four different plubisites that have been held between twenty

832
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Speaker 4: twelve and today, voters have consistently rejected the current territory

833
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Speaker 4: status and favored statehood as the best option for Puerto

834
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Speaker 4: Rico's future.

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Speaker 1: What's been the biggest number on that The.

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Speaker 4: Biggest number in support of statehood, the most recent one

837
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Speaker 4: was fifty eight percent, And that really just shows that,

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Speaker 4: you know, nearly two thirds of the residents on the

839
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Speaker 4: island supports statehood versus independence. Got like eleven percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it correct me if I'm wrong, So you

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Speaker 1: got a large majority like that, and there were three

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Speaker 1: choices on the ballot, not two.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, and I'll explain the third choice. Right.

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Speaker 4: So I mentioned independence, I mentioned statehood. There's a form

845
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Speaker 4: of independence called free association. And what this is is

846
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Speaker 4: a relationship the United States has with some of the

847
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Speaker 4: former Pacific Trust territories that are Palao, Federated States of Micronesia,

848
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Speaker 4: and the Marshall Islands. And they're basically independent countries. They've

849
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Speaker 4: got their own president, their own passport, their own constitution,

850
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Speaker 4: but the United States essentially.

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Speaker 5: Protects them militarily.

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Speaker 4: The United States uses them as a shield against the

853
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Speaker 4: potential influence of China in the Pacific, and in exchange,

854
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Speaker 4: they basically get some very limited federal support, but the

855
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Speaker 4: people there aren't United States citizens. And in Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 4: everyone born on the island since nineteen seventeen has been

857
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Speaker 4: a United States citizen. And I don't think anyone on

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Speaker 4: the island really wants to consider any possibility of having

859
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: us stripped of our United States citizenship because what they

860
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: would do is it would separate the island's residents from

861
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 4: the three point two million on the island from the

862
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 4: more than six million Puerto Ricans that lived stateside and

863
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 4: who wants that?

864
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: No one? Oh yeah, I know. DC held one once

865
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: about ten years ago, a referendum. Do you think this

866
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: needs to be had again? Do you think these I've

867
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: always thought the referendums in Puerto Rico actually they were

868
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: pr efforts, right. It wasn't just about getting people on

869
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: the island to express themselves, reminding us on the mainland here, Hey,

870
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: there are some basically some people who are not getting

871
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: full constitutional rights that are American citizens. Do you think

872
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: DC should be holding referendums more often on this issue?

873
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: Well, while referendum would bring this issue to the masses,

874
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: similar to what pert Rico has been doing, we have

875
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 3: seen on a regular basis people walking around talking about DC,

876
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: stand going on the news. When it came to the

877
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: recent occupation where we had National Guard members in DC,

878
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: we have a record high or straight gays or the

879
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: CNNs and the msnbcs. We're talking about DC Staylor. So

880
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for us to keep that energy.

881
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: But I do also believe that we also had to

882
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: go to other states. You know a lot of people

883
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 3: all across this country. When I go to the Utahs,

884
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: when I go.

885
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: To Colorado's they don't understand what's going on in DC,

886
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: and they think that the district is just the White House,

887
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: it's just Congress, it's just the statue shoes, but not

888
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: the seven hundred thousand Americas living in DC. So, yes,

889
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: the referendum will help, but we also have other means

890
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: to get the message forward. As the child represented for

891
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 2: the past four years, I'm not only interacted with people

892
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: across the country.

893
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 3: We also engage with state legislators. We introduced a DC

894
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 3: statehood resolution in West Virginia. We contacted people in Utah.

895
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 3: We went to other states, especially red states, to get

896
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: people on record to show that they support DC stately

897
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: and as an a media impact. Because today's state legislator

898
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna be.

899
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: Tomorrow's congressional candidate, and we can get people to start

900
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: becoming fans and champions of DDC Stale before going into office,

901
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: we in DC have a much better bet of getting

902
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: that voting passage in the House, getting that.

903
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: Majority in the Senate, and hopefully getting a president that

904
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: understands that this is not just a Parson issue, this

905
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: is an American rights issue. I mean, we fought a

906
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: war over tax station with our representation.

907
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: We're still seeing that happening today, and just can binding

908
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: the elements of this country with the things that's happening.

909
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: Today would be really really important, like being vocal about

910
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: the occupation and not calling it a search, you know,

911
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: use the words that really mattered, that really engaged to

912
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: ball across this country to really understand that, especially in

913
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: today's time, DC residents are so vulnerable compared to other areas.

914
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: We see Brandon Scott talking tough, we see we see

915
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: Brandon Johnson Chicago talking tough, we see Gavin Newsoen talking tough.

916
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: But our mayor in certain ways it's compromised because we're

917
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: not a state.

918
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: And that's what she'll say. I mean, I think she'd

919
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: fight more if it wouldn't maybe wreck home rule completely.

920
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, she was in a real box here because

921
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: a Republican House might have stripped home rule from DC.

922
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: They tried to.

923
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: There's actually the Bowser Act in the House and it's

924
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: said that will literally strip away our only way to

925
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: elect our mayor, the only way to elect our council

926
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: attorney generals under attack, and we're seeing marches in the

927
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: street of d C. We just passed the no King's Rally,

928
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: but a lot of us in office are afraid to

929
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: speak on the same way because we're so compromised by

930
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 3: not being a state.

931
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: Let me play a little Devil's advocate here. I'm not

932
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: saying I'm advocating this, but this has been I've been

933
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: here thirty five years and one of the alternative. You know,

934
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: just like with with there's sort of a third way

935
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico that some people have wanted to talk about,

936
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: there's a third way in d C, which is what

937
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: if d C became part of Maryland? What say you?

938
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the terms called retro session. You know, Virginia

939
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 2: to the way parts of DC in the past.

940
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: Was I live in the I live in the piece

941
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: of I always say, I live in Arlington. I tell

942
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: people where's Arlington? I said. If you look at a

943
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: map of d C and you see the missing square,

944
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: we're the missing square.

945
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: You are in old DC, My friends, you're swim back over. No.

946
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: I That's why I'm old. The see I'm here. I'm here,

947
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: trust me.

948
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: But for many reasons, culturally, financially and politically, you know,

949
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: d C doesn't want to be part of Maryland. And

950
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: Maryland sorts thought doesn't want us, you know.

951
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to our culture, Baltimore fights it.

952
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: There's no doubt right there, the dominant culture and city.

953
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I get that, and they don't, you know, because if

954
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: d C became part of Maryland, the center of gravity

955
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: would all change in that state. Yeah.

956
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: Right, So we want to be disagressives. We don't want

957
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: to fight the fight. We don't want to run from

958
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: them by. We want to make sure the treet like

959
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: everybody else.

960
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: Nothing better than Maryland, Virginia, Ohioans want to be treated

961
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: the same exactly.

962
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: George, let me throw up a one wrinkle by you

963
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: that I've always found a bit I've just been curious about.

964
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: Why shouldn't the Virgin Islands be part of the the

965
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico fight for d C statehood? A should be

966
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: first state of not d C state. Why shouldn't Why

967
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't the Virgin Islands sort of almost the same way

968
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: way of the Hawaiian Islands as a state, you know,

969
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: is because it's the Virgin Island population is too small

970
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: to be a state on its own. Is that is

971
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: there any way that that would be of help? Do

972
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: you think to your ability to lobby for state.

973
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 4: Well, Chuck, the reality is that the US Virgin Islands

974
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: was acquired at a different time by the United States.

975
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: They were acquired from Denmark and purchased I believe it

976
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: was around nineteen seventeen. Puerto Rico was acquired in Spanish

977
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: a micrant Ward eighteen ninety eight. The culture and the

978
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: language is different. US Virgin Islands are predominantly African American

979
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: roots and speak predominantly English. There's a lot of intermixing,

980
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 4: particularly on Saint Croix, with people from Puerto Rico, particularly

981
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 4: from the municipality of Veakis, which is right next to

982
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: the US Virgin Islands. So there are some strong connections there.

983
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: But I definitely think that both territories see their identities

984
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: as unique and distinct and separate. I don't think that

985
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 4: there has been any serious discussion, either in Puerto Rico

986
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 4: or in the US Virgin Islands of having the two

987
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: territories combined under statehood. However, you know, if you ask me,

988
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 4: if tomorrow Congress says we'll give you statehood if you

989
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: add the US v I on.

990
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 6: As part of spate, I'd be like, I'll take it,

991
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 6: you know, and you know, we'll we'll add them on

992
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 6: and we'll treat them with respect, and you know they'll

993
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 6: be The question is informed consent and consent of the government.

994
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 5: Is that something that the people in USB I would want?

995
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 5: And I don't know.

996
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: You know, they've been arguing and trying to figure out

997
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 4: if they can even establish a local constitution now for

998
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: several decades, so you know that. I think it's really

999
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 4: what's at the heart of it. We can't just talk

1000
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: about putting together jurisdictions. We had to go back to

1001
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 4: America's founding value, which is government by consent of the government,

1002
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: and that requires asking the people of those jurisdictions what

1003
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 4: is that they want.

1004
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: So let's go to strategy here. I've always believed, you know,

1005
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: if you look at various statehood expansions, it was never

1006
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: because it was a good idea to have statehood. It

1007
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: was there were always political power considerations in the moment.

1008
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, I always remind people, you know, why South

1009
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Dakota's a state because Republicans wanted another pair of senators,

1010
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: so they decided to break up the Dakota. There's no

1011
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: other reason there's two Dakotas. But it was they wanted

1012
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: they this was during the fight, you know, the North

1013
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: lout of state, the South Laida state, and they were

1014
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: going to be all these back and forth. So you know,

1015
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: this is this stuff gets more arbitrary than people realize.

1016
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: The Dakotas is a perfect example. Their perception of DC

1017
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: is that it would be two more Democratic senators, which

1018
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: is why Republicans try to block it. I think it's

1019
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: pretty clear given the politics of Puerto Rico, we're is

1020
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: you can't you can't assume anything that it is automatically

1021
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna be one way or the other. You've got people

1022
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: like Rick Scott and Marco Rubio, who for years as

1023
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: Florida senators have treated Puerto Rico as sort of, hey,

1024
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a lot of Puerto Rico, Puerto

1025
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: Rican citis, people of Puerto Rican descent living in Florida.

1026
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: You know, we should help Puerto Rico. And so I've

1027
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: always thought that the two either coming together or neither

1028
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: one gets statehood.

1029
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 5: Do you buy that, you know, personally, I don't think so.

1030
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 4: I think that DC and Puerto Rico have parallel issues

1031
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: in the sense that they are both jurisdictions where you

1032
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 4: have United States citizens that lack full voting rights and

1033
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: lack full civil rights in the federal government that they

1034
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 4: live under. And I think that that needs to be addressed.

1035
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: But the reality is that we're also coming from different

1036
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 4: constitutional situations, and we're also coming from different political situations,

1037
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 4: and I think that therefore, kind of conflating the two

1038
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 4: issues and bringing trying to address them both together is challenging.

1039
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: Right.

1040
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 4: And in the case of Puerto Rico, we are in

1041
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 4: a similar circumstance to where Alaska and Hawaii were before

1042
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 4: their admission in nineteen fifty nine, where we were US

1043
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: territories that have voted for admission into statehood. And you know,

1044
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 4: Congress has the power to admit us. There's no constitutional

1045
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: constraints to that. The only thing that Congress needs to

1046
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 4: do is to pass a law a bill in the

1047
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 4: House and in the Senate and have the President sign it.

1048
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: Right in the case of theos made it for there's

1049
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: no need for some extra hurdle.

1050
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the Cape Act of Congress, exactly simple

1051
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 4: Act of Congress. Right in the case of Washington, d C.

1052
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 4: It can be admitted in the same way. But there

1053
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: is the issue of how do you deal with the

1054
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: territoriality of Washington, d C. Versus the seat of government, right,

1055
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: and that is a constitutional question that needs to be addressed.

1056
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 4: And it is also possible that, you know, in response

1057
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 4: to the twenty third Amendment, another amendment to the Constitution

1058
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: may need to be passed. And that really is quite

1059
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 4: different from the you know, process of admitting Puerto Rico

1060
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: as a state. I know that, and and fully respect

1061
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: all the different ideas for how that can be done,

1062
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying it's a different track procedurally.

1063
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I address that because I've seen so. I know it.

1064
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: When this got a little bit attraction when it passed

1065
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the House about a decade to go, we had, you know,

1066
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: there was I remember, I think some people had some

1067
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: maps that in order to essentially make sure this wasn't

1068
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, that you weren't violating the constitution. The District

1069
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: of Columbia would still exist, the federal district would simply

1070
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: shrink down to I want to say, you know, for

1071
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: those thinking of the map out loud, think I guess

1072
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: between Pennsylvania Avenue and the river essentially, but but maybe

1073
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Speaker 1: you can give me some more details on that. O. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you both are one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent right. Under the Constitution, a new state of Columbia,

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Speaker 3: which you know, our own version of the new DC

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 3: would look like. We would basically shrink the US capital

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Speaker 3: to the Federal encrep think the Congresses, think the White House,

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court, in the monuments. Outside of that would be

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Speaker 3: the new state of Columbia.

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Speaker 2: Now, while my friend right here is one hundred percent right,

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Speaker 2: there are two different tracks for Puerto Rico and DC

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Speaker 2: becoming state. When it comes to the political reality of it,

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Speaker 2: states are added by the duo. There is no party

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01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: will allow one state to come in and potentially wreck

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: the uneven balance of power. Now, when Hawaii in Alaska

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: were admitted as into the Union, Hawaii was seen as

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: a Republican state and Alaska was seen as the liberal state.

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Speaker 3: Now in due time, they flipped.

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Speaker 2: Now, unfortunately today's Republican Party they know they can't get

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01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: new people to join their party, so instead they just

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: take away people's voting rights and try to retract and

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: restrict the amount of votes available. So I don't think

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: the Republican Party is that interested in ln DC become

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Speaker 2: a state. I don't think they can win us over. However,

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: they do feel in my gad. I've talked to some

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01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: sanators and talk to some staffers in the House.

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01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 3: The only way they'll really.

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Speaker 2: Start thinking about DC becoming a state is that they

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: can have a republic in Carowell two. I know in

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 2: the past they were willing to grant congressomen norm vote

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: if they added a seat in Utah. But like I

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: said before, you will be no democratic state at it

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: unless there's a Republican counterpart. And they're sure as that

1105
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: will be here republicant states at it. This is a

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01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: democratic a democratic counterpart. Now that may not be fair,

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01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: but as a reporter Steve Basemith said, the only thing,

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01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: the only thing that's fair is where pigs are sold.

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01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: So this is politics.

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01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: We have to deal with it.

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, in order for

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: DC become a state, the probably need to be that

1113
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: counterbalancing acts to manage the local difference.

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: Look, I want to I'm gonna play moderator here. Look

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: I think I get it. I think I'm gonna just

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01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: be honest. Oh yeah, you need Puerto Rico as your

1117
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: partner to get statehood. Puerto Rico, what's that? You need

1118
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: a dance partner? And I think George is arguing, you know,

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: I could probably do this without a dance partner.

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Speaker 3: And I see, I.

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: Sort of see where, George, where you're coming from on that,

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: Because there's been such a bipartisan history of both parties

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: going back and forth with the governor's office, uh, and

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: both parties successfully raising my off the island. Right, there

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: is a bit more of a bipartisan tradition in Puerto

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: Rico that that probably wouldn't spook party leaders from either

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Speaker 1: side of the aisle.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, this is not something that is

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01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 5: theoretical to me.

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 4: I've actually served governors that have been Republicans and Democrats.

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01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 4: I've I've seen support on this issue from both Democratic

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01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: and Republican House and Senate members. The issue has a

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01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: long history of bipartisan support when it comes to Puerto Rico.

1134
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: But what I can also very much acknowledge is that,

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01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 4: you know, Puerto Rico is a question mark when it

1136
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 4: comes to where things will pan out, you know, electorally

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: after admission as a state. Just like with Alaska and Hawaii,

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 4: what Oya mentioned is one hundred percent right. You know,

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: they were looking at Alaska's the democratic state in Hawaii

1140
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 4: as the republican state, and you know, things ended up.

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 5: Being the exact opposite.

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01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 4: There's nothing that can guarantee that Puerto Rico, if it's

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 4: admitted into a state, will be a democratic state and

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 4: a republic or a republican state. Although right now, if

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01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 4: we look at the current makeup of the political leadership

1146
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico, the Resident commission or Puerto Rico's non

1147
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 4: voting member in the House, is a Democrat, but the

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 4: governor is a Republican, and the speaker in Puerto Rico's

1149
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: houses a Republican. The majority of the representatives in Portrico's

1150
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 4: legislature Republicans, and the leader in the Senate is a Republican,

1151
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 4: and the majority of the senators in Puerto Rico are Republicans.

1152
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 4: So it really does present a situation where, you know,

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01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 4: members looking at it from Washington need to actually look

1154
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 4: at what's happening electorally on the island and also the

1155
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 4: geographic reality of Puerto Rico. Much like any other state,

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: the urban areas tend to be significantly more liberal, and

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 4: if you look at the rest of Puerto Rico, the

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01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 4: rural areas tend to be significantly more conservative. And that's

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01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,959
Speaker 4: a little bit of a challenge for DC because DC

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 4: is almost entirely an urban area right.

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Speaker 1: In If the population estimates it would be four congressional

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Speaker 1: seats for Puerto Rico roughly, how would that break up.

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Speaker 1: Would it be two in San Juan and then the

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: rest of the island would be broken up that way

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: or how?

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Speaker 4: It would depend on how the districting is done, which

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 4: is also something very interesting because as we're seeing right

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 4: now with the whole effort to redo districting nationwide, if

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Speaker 4: you had a Republican majority in Puerto Rico as we

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 4: have right now, decide to draw district maps that would

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 4: you know, end up favoring Republicans, Then you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: that could be.

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: The outcome, would crawl or something, But you.

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 5: Know, the realities we don't know.

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 4: When we've had shadow delegations appointed and then elected to

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01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: a serve and represent Puerto Rico, we've had them fifty

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 4: to fifty split. They've been half Democrats and half Republicans,

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Speaker 4: And I think that ultimately that is actually what's most

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01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 4: representative of the island's population because we've never had the

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 4: chance to draw our own district maps and elect our

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01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 4: own centers representatives, So We just have to use the

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 4: data that we have up to nowt.

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01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: Look, in total, there are four point three million people

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: without full American citizens, without full rights that live in

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01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: these territories, either the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, or

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01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: any of these states and territories. Is there a middle

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: ground at all that would give everybody more rights without statehood?

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me start with you. I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I'll be quite honest, I don't think so. If the

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: question was just about vooting representation in Congress, then maybe

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01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: they will be a half measure that makes everybody happen.

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, you might get a member in the House, but

1193
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: not in the Senate. Right right, the conversations that we're.

1194
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 5: Having, but that requires a constitutional amendment. We're back to that.

1195
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: But give me one second.

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 2: So when we had in twenty twenty five our local

1197
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: budget slash and we had to almost get rid of

1198
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: teachers and firefighters, when you're seeing the president send the

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01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: National Guard to patrol areas in our communities and send

1200
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: ice to grab people based off how they look, the

1201
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 2: only thing that protects DC residents is statehood. This is

1202
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: no longer just how many votes we can count in Congress.

1203
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: This is really an opportunity for DC residents to have

1204
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: full ownership.

1205
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 3: Over our lives on local governance. There is no half

1206
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: measure to it. I know earlier my friend here said

1207
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: we're far away from DC state.

1208
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: Well within the last six years we passed the d

1209
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: C State Admissions Act in the House.

1210
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 3: I don't say anything like that. Puerto Rico, we have

1211
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 3: more than forty centers co sponds from the bill to

1212
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: make DC a state. I don't know we're aut Puerto Rico.

1213
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 2: So I do believe there is a pathway ward for

1214
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: DC residents to become residents of the state.

1215
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 3: I think we have to push forard on that because

1216
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 3: it means so much more than just count of bost

1217
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 3: of Congress.

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: George, the same question to you, do you think there's

1219
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: a is there some half measure that gives more rights

1220
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: to whether you live in Guam, Puerto Rico, or DC.

1221
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: So you know, I think with the smaller territories in

1222
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 4: the Pacific and the US Virgin Islands, there is a

1223
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: separate question than the one that we have for Washington,

1224
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 4: d C. And for Puerto Rico, just because of the

1225
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 4: population size, right, and the fact that in none of

1226
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: those territories, they've actually expressed themselves by votes that they

1227
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 4: want to end their territorial status and that they want state.

1228
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 4: One thing that is one hundred percent in alignment between

1229
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 4: DC and Puerto Rico is that in both places you've

1230
01:10:53,479 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 4: had voters express their consent to ending the territorial status

1231
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 4: in the case of Puerto Rico and the seat of

1232
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 4: government status in the case of DC, and you know,

1233
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 4: express their desire for statehood. The half measures don't work,

1234
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you why. In the case of Puerto Rico,

1235
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 4: you can get additional federal funding and maybe treated you know,

1236
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 4: equally in certain federal programs, but the territorial clause allows

1237
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 4: any future Congress to claw that back at any point.

1238
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 5: So even if you can.

1239
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 4: Get like full medicaid parity or full parity nutritional assistance

1240
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 4: or whatever else that we don't have unequal right now,

1241
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 4: any future Congress can say, no, we're taking it away,

1242
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 4: and that you can't build an economy that's sustainable.

1243
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 5: Off of that.

1244
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: And then the other piece is that ultimately, if every

1245
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 4: single day the Congress and the federal government are passing

1246
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 4: laws and regulations that apply to the territory and Puerto

1247
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 4: Rico doesn't have representation that's equal in the House and

1248
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 4: zero presentation in the Senate, and doesn't have any representation

1249
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 4: in the Electoral College, Then how can we expect to

1250
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 4: have oversight over the federal agencies that apply these laws

1251
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 4: and policies, And how can we expect the interests and

1252
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 4: the goals and aspirations of the US citizens of Puerto

1253
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: Rico to be taken into account in the legislative process.

1254
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 5: You can't and any half.

1255
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 4: Measures to try to give Puerto Rico, you know, and

1256
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 4: a representative in the House, or you know, a single

1257
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 4: representative that can vote. That would require constitutional honment. That's

1258
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 4: harder than passing statehood. Right, It's easier to pass a

1259
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 4: statehood admission bill than it is to pass an amendment

1260
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 4: to give Puerto Rico one voting representative in the House,

1261
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 4: and that single vote would not compensate the island for

1262
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 4: the representational gap and the demographic democratic deficit that currently exists.

1263
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: The Congressional Black Caucus has been a huge advocate of

1264
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: DC statehood, and it may explain why a bill got

1265
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: on the floor of the House and did get passed.

1266
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: What has been the how would you explain why there

1267
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been a similar effort for Puerto Rico.

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the reality is that we have had

1269
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 4: two bills past the House, one in twenty ten and

1270
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 4: the most recent one in twenty twenty two. The last

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 4: one in twenty twenty two, it's called the Puerto Rico

1272
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 4: Status Act, passed with a bipartisan majority that included unanimous

1273
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 4: Democratic support in the House and sixteen Republican votes, which is,

1274
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: you know, quite impressive given this overall level of polarization

1275
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 4: that we see in American politics nowadays. The bill had

1276
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 4: at that point a statement of administration policy from then

1277
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 4: President Biden, and in the following session of Congress, we

1278
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 4: did have that bill reintroduced because the US Senate just

1279
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: didn't have enough time to When you.

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: Say last status what what is? What specifically would that bill?

1281
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: Dude put it? Basically that.

1282
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:13,959
Speaker 4: Congress has a responsibility and Puerto Rico's colonial territory status

1283
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 4: and offers voters UH single vote between the three non

1284
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 4: territorial options of statehood, UH independence and independence.

1285
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 5: With free association, which is this bilateral Marshal Marshall Island idea.

1286
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what ended up happening is the Senate didn't

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Speaker 4: pass that, uh, but it was reintroduced in the following

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Speaker 4: session and we had twenty seven senators supported, all of

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 4: them Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Uh no Rick Scott, no Rick Scott, and no Marco Ruvio.

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Speaker 4: However, since then, we have had at least one Republican

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 4: senator express his support for Puerto Rico's statehood and uh

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 4: that is the the Senator from Oklahoma, Mark Wayne Mullen,

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 4: which is also very interesting.

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Speaker 5: Because he's just the President's here exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it does reflect the continued bipartisan nature of

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 4: the Puerto Rico.

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 5: Statehood push.

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Speaker 4: But what ended up happening in Puerto Rico is that

1300
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 4: Congress didn't act, but locally, we decided, you know what,

1301
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 4: we're going to continue sending the message from our citizenry.

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01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 4: So we took that same ballot that was designed in

1303
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: the Puerto Rico Status Act and we put it up

1304
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 4: to voters literally exactly as it was written and passed

1305
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 4: by the House of Representatives. And that's what happened last November,

1306
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 4: and fifty eight percent of voters supported statehood for Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 1: And this was the strongest version of independence that's ever

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: been on the Pallette, meaning the independence with essentially protection

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: from the United States, and the fact that that couldn't

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: get the number that it got, I.

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, so so independence just beer independence got like

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 4: just under twelve percent, eleven point eight free association, which

1313
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 4: is a form of independence that in that case was included,

1314
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 4: even continued US citizenship after you know, being made a

1315
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 4: sovereign country, right, which I ultimately don't think that Congress

1316
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 4: would pass it in that way, but you know, it

1317
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 4: was a really nice offer that only got twenty nine percent,

1318
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 4: and you ended up with fifty eight percent supporting you know,

1319
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 4: full statehood, and that really shows that the majority of

1320
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 4: people in Puerto Rico don't want to continue under the

1321
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 4: current territory status and they want statehood.

1322
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 5: And now it's it's up to Congress act. But as

1323
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 5: Aye said, it's.

1324
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,480
Speaker 4: Not just Congress, it's up to the American people across

1325
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: all of the states to say, we need to end

1326
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 4: a circumstance where we have nearly four million fellow American

1327
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 4: citizens that are being denied their full rights, and we

1328
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 4: need to have an active conversation about how we offer

1329
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 4: a full enfranchisement and full democratic rights uh to the

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 4: citizens of Puerto Rico, of DC, and even of the

1331
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 4: other territories. And there may be different solutions for each one,

1332
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 4: but that fundamental principle, that's a debate that has to

1333
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 4: happen for America as a whole.

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. You know, Oya was talking about how

1335
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: he's been going to other states trying to get resolutions passed.

1336
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: Have you tried that? And I was just in Orlando

1337
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: past I was just gonna say, let's Florida, New York, right,

1338
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: if you had a Governor DeSantis at a Governor Hocal

1339
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: signing the same resolution, that'd be pretty good, a pretty good, uh,

1340
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: piece of marketing material for you with.

1341
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 5: And and and we're working on that.

1342
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 4: There is a state side advocacy movement that supports statehood

1343
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 4: for Puerto Rico. We've been working on that in the

1344
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 4: Statehood Council for many years. There's also been another effort

1345
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 4: called the Extended Congressional Delegation that's been working on it

1346
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 4: for the past few years. And there's literally, you know,

1347
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,480
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of US citizens from across the country

1348
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: that support statehood for Puerto Rico. And you know, also

1349
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 4: national polling has shown this. You know, I think the

1350
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 4: Gallup polls have shown for decades that over you know,

1351
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 4: sixty percent of Americans support statehood for Puerto Rico.

1352
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to get before I let you both go,

1353
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: I want to get to the financial consequences of a

1354
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: lack of statehood. You hinted at it a bit, George, Oh, yeah,

1355
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: you were talking. We were talking a bit more about

1356
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: obviously control of the budget, right, some of that home

1357
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: rule decisions. But is there a you know, do you

1358
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: get less Medicaid reimbursements in DC because of the status.

1359
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: What do you can you put a dollar figure on

1360
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: what you think statehood costs the district financially?

1361
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 3: We lose millions, if not billions of dollars by not

1362
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 3: being a state. Years ago when we were battling the

1363
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: pandemic together and they passed legislation that will provide billions

1364
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 3: of dollars to each day the combat the COVID pandemic

1365
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 3: d C was regulated to becoming a territory. It's released.

1366
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: We lost about half a million, half a billion dollars.

1367
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: So did Wyoming get more money?

1368
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 3: Wyoming got more, Maryland got more, Virginia.

1369
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: Got less people, Yeah, than the district. That's why sing.

1370
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely and unlike Puerto Rico on other locations, we were

1371
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 2: a landmocked.

1372
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 3: So the problems that Maryland was spilled into d C.

1373
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: And just to piggyback on a previous conversation, the things

1374
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: I've done in other states were two tiered. It wasn't

1375
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 2: just enough to tell people that we deserved DC statehood.

1376
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: We also made sure that folks understood how their lives

1377
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: would improve by US becoming a state, us having voter representation.

1378
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 3: When I went to Boom County, West Virginia, where I

1379
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 3: was the only black guy around, I didn't stop the

1380
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 3: con station by DC resists mostly minority people deserve equal rights.

1381
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: We talked about the issues that they cared about, letting

1382
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: their water, not have.

1383
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: An access to employment, the coal industry just evaporating, and

1384
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: talking about some of the things that I've experienced living

1385
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: in commerce sights south East Washington, d C, bridge of

1386
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: nose gaps.

1387
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 3: And understanding that a center from d C, voting representative

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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 3: from d C can actually pass legislation that then center

1389
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 3: mansion or capital wasn't passing.

1390
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: And really engaging them in a way that they felt

1391
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 2: that they gained from DC becoming a state. It helped

1392
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: a lot, and I advised anybody who's buying for a

1393
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: statehood to also make sure that we let them know

1394
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: what their investment needs to folks living in other.

1395
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 3: Places outside of Puerto Rico or outside of DC.

1396
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: George put a dollar figure on it. You were talking

1397
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: about when it comes to certain funding things and the

1398
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: lack of equity. Oh, you just talked about it with

1399
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: COVID funding. If Wyoming is getting more dollars for fewer

1400
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: people than DC, that does seem unequal. What's give me

1401
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: a few examples in Puerto Rico.

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 4: In the case of Puerto Rico, it is definitely very

1403
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: explicit that Puerto Rico receives unequal treatment under federal laws

1404
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 4: and programs. And this not only impacts negatively the quality

1405
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,879
Speaker 4: of life of people on the island, but it actually

1406
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 4: spurs people and pushes them to leave.

1407
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: Right. Oh, that's why they I mean, that's why they leave,

1408
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: right Not usually?

1409
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so the areas some of the main areas

1410
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: where Porto Rico gets treated unequally most egregious is in

1411
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 4: Medicare and Medicaid, so or elderly people don't get the

1412
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: same level of financial support for their medical care. So

1413
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: let's say if the average Medicare Medicare patient in the

1414
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 4: States gets about fifteen thousand dollars per year given to

1415
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 4: them for their healthcare coverage, in Puerto Rico's five, you know,

1416
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 4: and that means that there's a huge reduction in the

1417
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,520
Speaker 4: amount of money going into our medical service providers, our hospitals,

1418
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 4: our nurses, so all the basic care are you know,

1419
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 4: lower income families in Medicaid get you know, less support

1420
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 4: services too, and that has a massively negative impact on

1421
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: the economy because ultimately, these.

1422
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: People are your workforce.

1423
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 4: So if they're if they're more sick, if they're more

1424
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 4: impacted by chronic illnesses that aren't being able to be treated.

1425
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 4: Because with Puerto Rico, we don't have enough money in

1426
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,919
Speaker 4: our Medicaid system to have long term care access.

1427
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 5: That's a huge problem for.

1428
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 4: Our economy and our society, and it also impacts the

1429
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 4: local budget. Portugal gets different treatment under nutritional assistance. So

1430
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 4: we have one of the highest child poverty rates in

1431
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 4: the entire United States, and and that's devastating. You're talking about,

1432
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 4: you know, money that is not coming in to support

1433
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 4: children in their critical moments of physiological development, and that

1434
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: impacts educational outcomes, that impacts long term outcomes in terms

1435
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 4: of their socioeconomic mobility because you know, you just didn't

1436
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: get the support at the critical moments when when you

1437
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 4: needed it. So these deficiencies and lack of equality amount

1438
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 4: to tens of billions of dollars in less money that's

1439
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 4: flowing through the economy in Puerto Rico every single year,

1440
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 4: and as a result, the overall quality of life on

1441
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 4: the island is lower, which means more people leave, and

1442
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 4: then that creates a negative spiral that we're in. The

1443
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 4: more people leave, the more consumer demand goes down. The

1444
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 4: more consumer demand goes down, the more businesses have to shutter,

1445
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 4: the more your tax base gets reduced, the wors your

1446
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 4: fiscal circumstance, you know, the higher the share of per

1447
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 4: capita debt for the debt that you already have in

1448
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 4: your jurisdiction. But you know, I think one key point

1449
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 4: that made that I would like to also reiterate. You know,

1450
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: a lot of people's stateside have this misconception that Puerto

1451
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 4: Rico is just a jurisdiction that takes from the federal government,

1452
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 4: and that just is not true. Puerto Rico actually pays

1453
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 4: more in federal taxes than at least three states in

1454
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 4: the nation, even though in Puerto Rico, local residents do

1455
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 4: not pay federal income taxes on their income that they

1456
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 4: derive from the island. And the other piece is that

1457
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico we have about seventy billion dollars worth

1458
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 4: of annual interstate commerce between the island and the States.

1459
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 4: So Puerto Rico actually helps to generate profits and jobs

1460
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 4: for companies stateside that are employing people and that are

1461
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 4: making an economic difference in Florida, in New York, in Texas,

1462
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 4: you know, throughout the entire country. Because guess what, for example,

1463
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico we import you know, I think it's

1464
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 4: over eighty eighty five percent of the you know, fresh

1465
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 4: fruit products.

1466
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 5: Most of that's coming from the States. Most of that

1467
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 5: is being farmed state side.

1468
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 4: So if we grow the pie by giving Puerto Rico

1469
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 4: the quality that it needs to have an equal playing field,

1470
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: what we see is the same thing we saw with

1471
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 4: Alaskan Hawaii, which is a process of economic integration where

1472
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 4: the territories grew economically in a very significant way and

1473
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 4: they ended up helping the other states because then those

1474
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 4: states had more of a market to sell their products

1475
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 4: and services to, and we grow the pie of the

1476
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 4: American economy as a whole.

1477
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Look, I can confess that I know what happens to

1478
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: DC is that people leave because of the lack of representation,

1479
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: and so I know the tax base would be stronger

1480
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: in DC had they had statehood. You know, people like

1481
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: myself might not have left. The others might not have left.

1482
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm curious.

1483
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 5: I'm a former DC resident myself. By the way, I

1484
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 5: now live in Virginia.

1485
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: So no, you sit there and you you know it

1486
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: the unfairness, unfair tree. But of DC, everybody starts. You know,

1487
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you worry about yourself, right,

1488
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: bottom line, everybody does. Last question for both of you.

1489
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll start with you, which is are there

1490
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: businesses that won't relocate to d C because of the

1491
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: lack of statehood? And is that a maybe? Is there

1492
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:25,839
Speaker 1: a way to fire up the business world to support

1493
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: something like this as well? I just think about other

1494
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: ways to create more support outside of traditional political lines.

1495
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean, right now there is a recession in DC.

1496
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 3: We are the highest unemployment because of the massive cuts.

1497
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 3: Whether it's Elon must doge or Trump's continue planning to

1498
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 3: fire more federal workers during the shutdown. D C residents

1499
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: are and need of a new industry.

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01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 2: And one industry that comes to mind us really, obviously,

1501
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: maybe because I'm a Nigerian American, is the international development scene.

1502
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: You go to New York, you go.

1503
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 3: To Manhattan, you see you and the seth you see

1504
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 3: the un you even see them the Millennium Hotel on

1505
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 3: the Manhattan Island. And imagine if DC had that scene.

1506
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: Given our lack of statehood, given our political stagnation, the

1507
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: fact that because we're not a state, we don't have governors,

1508
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: we don't have a thousand different things could run for

1509
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 2: Like if you're in Virginia or man we only have

1510
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 2: looks like four or five seats.

1511
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: It makes it much harder for us to create those

1512
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 3: new industries.

1513
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Whereas all we leaned on was the government.

1514
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 3: All we leaned on was contractors and sings like that.

1515
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: So when Trump kind of sweeps them away where it

1516
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: can't just left but naked outside, it's tough.

1517
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: To diversify your economy.

1518
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think something we should do is bring in

1519
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,879
Speaker 3: those NGOs, those things that we see in other areas

1520
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 3: because DC can be the home of that, but lack

1521
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: we stayhead. We have seen how hard it is to

1522
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 3: do the best and bring in and recruit businesses and

1523
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 3: take a chance on the niches capital.

1524
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: George, I assume there's business because you talk about that

1525
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: specific law that if you earn money on the island

1526
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: you supposedly don't get to pay taxes on which feels

1527
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: like more like a loophole for an accountant than it

1528
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: is like a pragmatic approach to building a business. Yeah.

1529
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 4: So, you know, the issue with Puerto Rico's economic development

1530
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 4: model since the nineteen fifties and then accelerated more recently,

1531
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 4: is that a lot of the economic development has been

1532
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 4: industrialization by invitation based on tax exemption, right since Puerto

1533
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 4: Rico is not subject to federal income taxes for income

1534
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 4: derived on the island or federal corporate taxes for income

1535
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 4: derived on the island for Unfortunately, that same model that

1536
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 4: was done for the industrialization of Puerto Rico in the

1537
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 4: nineteen fifties and sixties that led to a massive manufacturing

1538
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 4: base on the island. We produce many of the top

1539
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 4: ten pharmaceuticals for the United States. We do a ton

1540
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 4: of pacemakers and other medical devices. So a lot of

1541
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 4: people think about Puerto Rico. They think is like beaches

1542
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 4: and rama. It's not just that we've got some really

1543
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 4: amazing advanced manufacturing that's going on on the island.

1544
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 5: It's critical to meet America's national supply chain.

1545
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 4: But if that development is all based on federal tax

1546
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 4: loopholes that at any point future Congress can change, you

1547
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 4: create a fragility in Puerto Rico's economic development model. And

1548
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened with a provision of the IRS

1549
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,799
Speaker 4: tax Code called Section nine thirty six. It was phased

1550
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 4: out from nineteen ninety six to two thousand and six,

1551
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 4: and we did see a significant decline in manufacturing on

1552
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 4: the island. With statehood, what you get is you get

1553
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 4: more certainty around the possibility of investing in the jurisdiction

1554
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 4: because you know what you're.

1555
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: Going to get.

1556
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 4: You know that you're going to get equal treatment to

1557
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 4: all the other states. You're not going to have a

1558
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 4: circumstance where Congress, for example, extend the Medicaid funding for

1559
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 4: a little while and then decides to drop it off afterwards,

1560
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 4: or improves you in this area and then takes away

1561
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 4: this tax break. The other thing that you get when

1562
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 4: you have statehood is you have senators and representatives that

1563
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 4: can fight, and they can advocate, and they can trade

1564
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 4: their votes, and they can make sure that whenever a

1565
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 4: bill passes, whether it's on transportation issues, environmental issues, labor issues,

1566
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 4: education issues, the interests of your constituents in your jurisdiction

1567
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 4: are taken into account. And right now we don't have that,

1568
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 4: and that is a huge limiting factor for our economic development.

1569
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Here's what I can tell you. Any American citizen living

1570
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: in one of the fifty states, they if they left

1571
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: one of those fifty states and realize what rights they

1572
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: don't have living in the district in Puerto Rico, they'd

1573
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: be angry. And what's interesting about this is that giving

1574
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: STATA to DC and Puerto Rico wouldn't change anybody else's

1575
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: life in any other of the fifty states. It can.

1576
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: What is what would be the argument that there what hard?

1577
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: I can't think of the argument of harm to the

1578
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 1: other fifty states.

1579
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 5: No, I guess it'd be carving up go ahead.

1580
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've heard things like people want to see

1581
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: only fifty stars in the flag, but don't know that fifty.

1582
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous, but also an incentive. There are people

1583
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 3: who enjoy being the fiftieth vogue, being the forty ninth folks.

1584
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: So even if so, somebody will enjoy being the fifty

1585
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: second vote or the fifty third vote. What's wrong with that?

1586
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, I could do, man, there's fifty two cards

1587
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: in a deck. We could have fifty two stars on

1588
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: a flag. I want to bring you back to the

1589
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: hell shot. You gotta come on me.

1590
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 7: Like me.

1591
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my issue is fifty one. That's harder to

1592
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 1: divide up. Fifty two, that's you know, even number. We

1593
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: know how to work that. But that's the yeah, I mean,

1594
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, you know, other than I guess, dividing

1595
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: up the pie. But these are all American citizens already,

1596
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: so they're already getting a smaller piece of the pie,

1597
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: but they should be getting a fuller one.

1598
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,759
Speaker 4: So way, it was transparent with regards to the issue

1599
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,679
Speaker 4: of political power, and you know, some people feeling threatened

1600
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 4: by the potential admission of a new state. You know,

1601
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 4: I'll be transparent with the issue of language and culture.

1602
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 4: You know, there's some people who outright argue that if

1603
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 4: Puerto Rico were admitted into the Union, you know, we'd

1604
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 4: suddenly have you know, a whole bunch of US citizens

1605
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 4: that speak Spanish. And to me, that argument is laughable because,

1606
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 4: believe it or not, the United States has more Spanish

1607
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,959
Speaker 4: speakers as current United.

1608
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 5: States citizens than Puerto Rico does.

1609
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 4: Right, you know, there's forty million, you know, Hispanics in

1610
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 4: the United States. Spanish is the second most spoken language in.

1611
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: The American I don't mean to interrupt, but how many

1612
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: states were added in the in the nineteenth century where

1613
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: a majority spoke German? Yeah, a majority spoke right, Like,

1614
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 1: I mean this, this is not We did this all

1615
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: the time in the nineteenth century.

1616
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 4: And there's many states to this day that have multiple

1617
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 4: official languages. Why Alaska, Why Alaska and New Mexico some

1618
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 4: of them even have them baked into their constitution, for

1619
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 4: God's sakes. So if that hasn't been an issue for them,

1620
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 4: why isn't an issue for us?

1621
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 5: Now? I think it's just another cheap excuse.

1622
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that there's no doubt, there's no

1623
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 1: doubt that some people listening to this or watching this

1624
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: will assume that identity is playing a bigger part of

1625
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: this than any of us want to talk about and

1626
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: it's hard to separate it out right. You just brought

1627
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: up the language issue, George, Oh yeah, we know that.

1628
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,959
Speaker 1: There's others that you know, the having two black senators

1629
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: and you just sat there going it kind of feels antiquated, right,

1630
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: These arguments feel very early twentieth century at best. Absolutely.

1631
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there are things that America has to work

1632
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:59,440
Speaker 4: through if we're going to become a stronger, more democratic,

1633
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 4: more inclusive country and a country that really abides by

1634
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 4: its founding values of equal justice under the law and

1635
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 4: government by consent of the government.

1636
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Uh. And I'll use the phrase more perfect union. That's right,

1637
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: you got this would help us be a more perfect union.

1638
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: The message that would be sent if we did have

1639
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: two states that were majority minority in this country, it

1640
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: would it would speak volumes around the world anyway. Oh yeah,

1641
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: and George, you guys are terrific at this.

1642
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 5: It almost was a mini debate, is.

1643
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: But but it wasn't meant I mean, I really look,

1644
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: i I'm the I'm the you know, the the faux

1645
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 1: expert here of political what of the political side. So

1646
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: I do believe ultimately, you know, you guys will live

1647
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: together or die together on this, but we shall see.

1648
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and George, good luck to both of you.

1649
01:34:55,439 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate it so much, all right, I hope you enjoyed

1650
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: that conversation about DC statehood. Look, I'm fifty three years old.

1651
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: We have not had a new state added to the

1652
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Union since the fifties, and I bet this is the longest.

1653
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm like ninety percent sure. It's the

1654
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: longest period we've ever gone without adding to the American

1655
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: flag on that front. And again, four million people right

1656
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: now do not have basic the same rights as the

1657
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: rest of us. So I think this is more salient

1658
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: and coming sooner than people realize. And it's one of

1659
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: those things. When it happens, it's just suddenly going to happen.

1660
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: There's going to be a long thing. I mean, both

1661
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: both you know, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico in the district,

1662
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: they both held reference end them on this. They both

1663
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: have indicated they want this, so it is. It is

1664
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 1: one of those I do think when Republicans are convinced

1665
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: that Puerto Rico is not going to be two Democratic

1666
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: seats right away, that you will see and I do

1667
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 1: believe this, You're not going to get one. You either

1668
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: get both or none, which is why I thought it

1669
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: was important to pair this conversation together. All right, let's

1670
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: do a little last Chuck ask Chuck. First question comes

1671
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: to George M Twin Cities Minnesota? Can you really be

1672
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: from both? You know? Don't? Don't you have to pick one? George?

1673
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Maybe the next time you write in, let me know

1674
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: what can you say twin Cities or are you know,

1675
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: do you have a you know, do you split your

1676
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: time between Minneapolis and Saint Paul? All Right, I'm just

1677
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: being snark. Your question is, Hey, thanks for the live

1678
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: election cast Tuesday night. I appreciate the effort you and

1679
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: your team went to put it all together. Yeah, you

1680
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: and me both, brother Jacob Fry I held on for

1681
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a third term in Minneapolis, fending off Omar Fatah. And

1682
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm seeing parallels with Zorn's challenge to Adams and Cuomo.

1683
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: Curious if Zorn's political skill explains the different outcomes or

1684
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: if the data suggests something more. Well, you know, it's

1685
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: really interesting looking at the New York race. All Right,

1686
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm I'm gonna take a little victory

1687
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 1: lap on the Minneapolis race because if you were watching

1688
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: very closely, you know, I saw the ten point gap,

1689
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, that should in my limited experience

1690
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: with the ranked choice voting environment that we've had over

1691
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: the last decade or two in Alaska and Maine in particular,

1692
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: but in a handful of other cities as well, I

1693
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 1: think San Francisco does it, Burlington, Vermont does it. Obviously,

1694
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: we now DC's doing. My home county here in Virginia

1695
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:49,520
Speaker 1: has moved to frank choice voting for Arlington County offices.

1696
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: Is that? You know, Fatah had a deal with the

1697
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 1: two of the other higher profile candidates. They were basically

1698
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: going to leave Fry, you know, encouraging their supporters to

1699
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: leave Fry off the ballot and just rank those three. Well,

1700
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: it looks like the deal didn't work, or it certainly

1701
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't work well enough. But I uh, that was one

1702
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: of those where I was like, oh, it looks I

1703
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: think Fry is going to hold on here. I was.

1704
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: I was on the minority of that opinion of our

1705
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: group group last night, But that's all right. Hey, I

1706
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: was also wrong about a few things too, So I'm

1707
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: not gonna be totally be totally obnoxious in that victory lap,

1708
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 1: But it's fascinating to watch the spin with New York City.

1709
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: So we got just over fifty percent. Is it a

1710
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: huge win? Or did he luck out from having an

1711
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: extraordinary flawed opponent who we got to run against twice? Right?

1712
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 1: You know, Cuomo was if you could have if you

1713
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: want to run an outsider race and you want to

1714
01:38:55,479 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: run against the establishment, and you said, give me an

1715
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: opponent who oozes establishment but nobody likes, and you asked

1716
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: chat GPT to come up with somebody, they would have said, hey,

1717
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: let me introduce you to former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo.

1718
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: So I find myself wondering. I was another thing that

1719
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: surprised me on Tuesday night. Uh, and something that I

1720
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: was wrong about a week ago. I think I hinted here.

1721
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you know, why do I think

1722
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, why do I think that Cuomo could collapse

1723
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 1: here because of where he was in the ballot and

1724
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: that maybe that Curtis Sliweb or was he going to overperform? Well,

1725
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: then a bunch of stuff happened, right, All this late

1726
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: money came in for Cuomo. Bloomberg came in with the

1727
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: late endorsement. He spent money on Cuomo's behalf. Trump comes

1728
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,919
Speaker 1: in with the late endorsement, and I do think despite

1729
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: what some of the voters said to our uh to

1730
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: our on the ground correspondence for our election night special

1731
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: the news Girl, Mabel and Rent, despite what was said,

1732
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: oh no, Trump doesn't tell me what to do. It's

1733
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: hard not to conclude because, first of all, Republican voters

1734
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: traditionally vote on election day more often, because part of

1735
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: it is Trump is almost conditioned to his base voters.

1736
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: You know, you should vote an election day, vote an

1737
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: election day, and so he has more election day voters.

1738
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: So that last minute endorsement I think mattered. So you know,

1739
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Staten Island goes dramatically for Cuomo. And you see Slie

1740
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,679
Speaker 1: was just support just collapse as it became a anti

1741
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: So I look at the Mamdani race and it was

1742
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: essentially I looked at it as it turned into almost

1743
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: like a judicial retention race in Pennsylvania, up or down

1744
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: in Mamdani. Right, Cuomo was simply a vehicle for those

1745
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: that said no to Mamdanni. Right, people weren't voting for Cuomo,

1746
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: they were simply voting against Mamdanni. Cuomo got forty one percent.

1747
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't buy that there was many positive Cuomo voters.

1748
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, let's assume half of those folks were positive.

1749
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, that means about half his support was just

1750
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:22,879
Speaker 1: simply anti Mom Donnie. Would and this is an interesting

1751
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: little I don't know what the answer is, but would

1752
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:29,759
Speaker 1: a let's say the police commissioner had been on the ballot,

1753
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:36,879
Speaker 1: would Mom Donnie have won? So was Mom Donnie's fifty

1754
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: point six and impressive showing with a massive turnout or

1755
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 1: did the massive turnout happen because it drove some of

1756
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 1: his vote, but it also drove some of the anti

1757
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie vote. I think that's something that I would

1758
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: like almost a bit more. I want more data on

1759
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: this one. I'd like a little bit more after action report.

1760
01:41:55,680 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I'd like a post election survey here on this because

1761
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: it is notable that Mikey Cheryl outperformed Harris in New Jersey,

1762
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Abigail Spamberger outperformed Harris in Virginia, Mam Donnie technically underperformed

1763
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: Harris in New York City. Right now, granted, one of

1764
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: his chief opponents was a well known member of a

1765
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: prominent Democratic family. He was not on the ballot as

1766
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: a d but obviously, you know, there was plenty of

1767
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 1: of sort of more centrist Democrats that likely pick Cuomo.

1768
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: So I really think if you want to believe that

1769
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 1: the progressive movement is on the march, you see, you

1770
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,759
Speaker 1: know you're going to look for a spin that shows

1771
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: Mam Donnie overperforming. I think he benefited from his opponents.

1772
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: But you know what, So did AOC benefit from a

1773
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 1: from the rescheduling of a primary and a unique period

1774
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: and she won and beat an incumbent because hey, those

1775
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: are the rules of the moment. She met the moment

1776
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: and her primary opponent didn't didn't Is it true that

1777
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 1: it was a quirky time in the election calendar that

1778
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: it was the only time that New York had split

1779
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: its federal primaries from its state primaries, So voters probably

1780
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: weren't all aware that there were going to be two

1781
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: different primary days in the same election year. Right, There

1782
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: was a few quirks here or there that maybe, under

1783
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: another circumstance, AOC never wins a primary for the US

1784
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 1: Congress under differently, And maybe if Akim Jeffreys and Chuck

1785
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: Schumer weren't caught napping when Andrew Cuomo and decided he

1786
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: wanted to be mayor, and they decided to do nothing

1787
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,919
Speaker 1: about it. They had recruited somebody a bit more viable

1788
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: in sort of in that wing of the party. Maybe

1789
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: Mam Donnie never catches fire, right, So obviously I'm not

1790
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: gonna I kind of lean in that that Mam Donnie's

1791
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: underperforming what a what a broad coalition Democrat could get

1792
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: in New York City. But I also don't want to

1793
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: deny that this guy is not He is an impressive

1794
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,879
Speaker 1: political athlete, you know. I love the phrase political athlete,

1795
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 1: and I think this is an impressive athlete. I think

1796
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: he hurt himself at the end by going by doing

1797
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: the islamophobia speech. I understand he felt he got baited

1798
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,919
Speaker 1: into that conversation by by Cuomo's tactics in the last minute.

1799
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 1: And I also empathize with the fact that I think

1800
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 1: Mamdani sees sees himself as the guy that's got to

1801
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: break the barrier to mainstream Muslim Americans into the political elite.

1802
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: That you know, I look at the campaign of the

1803
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 1: lieutenant of the new Lieutenant governor in Virginia, who's the

1804
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: first ever Muslim woman to ever win statewide office anywhere

1805
01:44:55,560 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 1: in the country and uh, how's mei Gazala? Uh is

1806
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: her name? She never wanted a debate. She kept an

1807
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: extraordinary low profile. She took what is conventional political consultant

1808
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: advice on that many a Muslim candidate has been told

1809
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 1: to do, which is, you need to downplay any connections

1810
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: to Islam, you need to downplay even sort of called

1811
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: you know, and mom Nannie didn't do that. He leaned in.

1812
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: And I think that that is It's simultaneously he's seen

1813
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: as as sort of the uh, the trailblazer for Muslim

1814
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: Americans around the country running for office who are trying

1815
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: to break break into being taken seriously and getting a

1816
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 1: seat at the table in the in the in the

1817
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: political power structure of the of America. And so he's

1818
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: he's been willing to sort of take this stuff on.

1819
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 1: I do think it it There are some voters that

1820
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: they don't want to, you know, they want to put

1821
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: blinders onto this. Okay, I don't know how is to

1822
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 1: put it, but they just do. They'll support you if

1823
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: you're downplaying it. Right. Look, African American candidates at first

1824
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: were told this all the time. Don't lean into the

1825
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: black community. You know, don't you know, back off Jewish

1826
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: candidates back when they first started running for office, you know,

1827
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 1: downplay your identity. Many a woman candidate in the early

1828
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: days of women breaking the glass ceiling and executive offices,

1829
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: same thing. So this is not a new thing. So

1830
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,759
Speaker 1: I say this and that. I think what Mom Donnie

1831
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 1: is doing for future Muslim Americans running for office is

1832
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,719
Speaker 1: going to be of help to them. They will deal

1833
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: with less Islamophobia, less questioning of whether they can win

1834
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: win elections. But do I think it hurt him a

1835
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: little bit at the end where he might have been

1836
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,759
Speaker 1: on his way to fifty three, fifty four to fifty five,

1837
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: and then bringing that into the message because I think

1838
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: there are a chunk of New York City voters who

1839
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: like his message but don't want him to be an

1840
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: international foreign policy expert, right that, no matter what his

1841
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: views are about foreign policy, they don't want him to

1842
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 1: use the platform of New York City mayor to express them.

1843
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I think there are some that want him to do that,

1844
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: and that's going to be an interesting decision how he

1845
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: chooses to go about that. How often does he use

1846
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: his platform to talk about issues around the world versus

1847
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: issues in the five boroughs. But I do think he's

1848
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 1: slightly underperformed when you look at the broader democratic success

1849
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: throughout the night that you could say and that, and again,

1850
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I look at it as I think New York City

1851
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,839
Speaker 1: became a mum dandi referendum, which may explain why Cuomo

1852
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: got as close as he did with his forty one percent.

1853
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: All right, that's what I love about this format. We

1854
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 1: get to do some nuance, and I've been wanting it

1855
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: is hard to have that conversation about the New York

1856
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,759
Speaker 1: City mayor's race without somebody wanting to cherry pick something

1857
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: I said and weaponize it one way or the other.

1858
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 1: This is why I prefer the format that we have here.

1859
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do that. I'm not saying someone

1860
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: might not successfully try to cherry pick something I said

1861
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: and claim I'm implying something that I'm not. But I

1862
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 1: hope I conveyde it in what I was trying to

1863
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 1: get at there. All right, next question comes from a

1864
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,799
Speaker 1: Weego New York. He goes, not just Long Island anyway

1865
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm from. It's Jeff from a Weego, New York. We'll

1866
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: get there in a minute. He says, really looking forward

1867
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 1: to the Orange heading to Coral Gables this weekend. Yes,

1868
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: that is true. Hoping Mimmy gives us another chance to

1869
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: see hercuse it up. Like you said with Steven Jelly out,

1870
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: we'll get him next year, mode, I get it. But

1871
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: a win over the you would definitely help fran Brown's

1872
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: recruiting pitch. What's your take on at least Stephonic potentially

1873
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: running for New York governor. New York City's mayoral race

1874
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: is grabbing all the headlines, but upstate voters like me

1875
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,759
Speaker 1: are eager for a leader who prioritize it the whole state,

1876
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: not just Long Island. Jeff from a Weego New York

1877
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: look before Tuesday night, Jeff, I would have said, I

1878
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,520
Speaker 1: think Kathy Hokel is one of the more vulnerable Democratic

1879
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: incumbents in the country and governors. Now, I'll tell you this,

1880
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: I think the most difficult thing to do is to

1881
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: house an incumbent governor in politics. The only thing more

1882
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: difficult is to do in outstay sitting president. Now, when

1883
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 1: you're seeking a third term, I think all bets are

1884
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 1: off when it comes to governorships, But when you're seeking

1885
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: a full second term, and in this case, that's kind

1886
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: of what she's doing. I think she's going to be

1887
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: tough to beat. Now A lot to me, A lot's

1888
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: going to be if how far to the left does

1889
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: hulkl have to run to survive her primary? Right, she's

1890
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 1: going to get primary, and what is she I think

1891
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 1: she ends up winning her primary. I don't buy that

1892
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 1: she can get knocked off because you know, I'm old

1893
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,719
Speaker 1: enough to remember when Kathy Hochele was a surprise victor

1894
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: in upstate New York in a special election for Congress.

1895
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 1: So I think she's I think the fact that she's

1896
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 1: not a New York City Democrat is a benefit to

1897
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: her potentially. But before Tuesday night, I was on the

1898
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: I think Stephanic's going to be very competitive here. I

1899
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: given what we saw around the country. I am I am.

1900
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,679
Speaker 1: I am not at all bullish on any reply. I mean,

1901
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, bring back George Pataki, and I don't know

1902
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: if if this could go well for Republicans in New York.

1903
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be tough. Again. I

1904
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: go back to, you know, can Stephanic get enough distance

1905
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: for Trump? Can she can she sort of pivot back

1906
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: to who she was before Trump, right when she was

1907
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: that sort of very more traditional New York Republican that was,

1908
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,639
Speaker 1: you know, a bit more moderate and cultural issues, more

1909
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 1: on the fiscally conservative side, you know, very much the

1910
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: George Patacki model or the Alda Motto model of Republicans

1911
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: in New York. And I think that when she's not,

1912
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny about Stephanic. I think she does magataribly.

1913
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't think her pivot to Trump has been very credible.

1914
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 1: I have gotten the sense that she's slowly trying to

1915
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 1: get back to her old persona. I think she realized

1916
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: that what sucking up to Trump gets her. She got

1917
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: treated like garbage when it came to this appointment and

1918
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: then non appointment to the UN. I think she feels

1919
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty pretty put upon in some form or another,

1920
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Speaker 1: you know, certainly marginalized unfairly. I think, you know, Trump

1921
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Speaker 1: promised her her her leadership position back, and of course

1922
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson goes what leadership position? So that disappeared, right.

1923
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 1: So again, I just think that it may be that

1924
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: their political weather is just too blue for any Republican

1925
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 1: to win. But a lot of this do I I

1926
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: personally think Lawler would be a stronger candidate than Stephanic.

1927
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: I think Lawler has has sort of cleaner uh sort

1928
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 1: of slightly more independent Republican hands, meaning he's not considered

1929
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: very trumpy and has as a bit more credibility on

1930
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: not being you know, as trumpy as Stephanic, which is,

1931
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to sort of walk that line,

1932
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: I think in order to get the base not to

1933
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: reject you, but at the same time become appealing to

1934
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: swing voters. So I think this primary, what what does

1935
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: HOKL look like out of this primary? How far to

1936
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 1: the left does she have to move? And you know

1937
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 1: she's going to be feeling you know, she's going to

1938
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 1: find herself very involved in New York City politics because

1939
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 1: some of the things Mam Donnie would like to get

1940
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: done and he's got to do through the state. So

1941
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 1: it's going to means he's going to be putting pressure

1942
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,480
Speaker 1: on her. That could put pressure on her in a primary,

1943
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: that could you know. So I think there's a lot

1944
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: of state and city politics to play out before we

1945
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: can truly assess how vulnerable HULKL could be in a

1946
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 1: general election. But I will tell you this, if this

1947
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: is the weather we're going to have in November twenty

1948
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 1: twenty six. You know, I don't know if Michael Bloomberg

1949
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 1: is a Republican again as the nominee for governor, would

1950
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: be able to win in an environment like this. All right,

1951
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: next question comes from Lincoln Cea out of Columbus, Ohio.

1952
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 1: He says, Chuck, not only would I stay on a

1953
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 1: thirteenth floor, my wife and I actually got married on

1954
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,719
Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth. How about that? This is a throwback

1955
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 1: to what I said my daughter. I don't think it's

1956
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 1: ever going to stay in the thirteenth floor of any

1957
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: hotel ever. Again, I'm a displaced to englander in the

1958
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: land of the Ohio State buckeyesco Michigan, and as a

1959
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: political junkie, I've always believed presidents should be judged by

1960
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 1: the hindsight of history. Sometimes thirty, forty, even fifty years later,

1961
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: well that's more about policy than norm breaking. I still

1962
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: find myself sparring with folks convinced that the most recent

1963
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: administration is either the best or the worst. Effor am

1964
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: I onto something here best? Lincoln C. Columbus, OHI, I

1965
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: love that your name is Lincoln. We're asking about presidents.

1966
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: You're in a state capital named after a Spanish explorer. Anyway,

1967
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: it's a very full circle here. Look, I don't I

1968
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 1: think I was. I mean, let's just take Harry Truman.

1969
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: The best example to defend your point of view here

1970
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 1: is Harry Truman. Harry Truman was very unpopular when he

1971
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 1: left office. One of the reasons Eisenhower couldn't get convinced

1972
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 1: to run as a Democrat instead ran as a Republican.

1973
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 1: In part, argue is because Truman was unpopular and he

1974
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 1: was going to probably have a harder time. One of

1975
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 1: the reasons Truman wanted Eisenhowers because he knew Democrats were

1976
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 1: going to have a hard hard time winning the fifty

1977
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 1: two election. But you know, a Truman, you know, and

1978
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. It does feel as if the

1979
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: farther away we get from a president, the more their

1980
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: foreign policy becomes their defining legacy more than it is

1981
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: their domestic policy or there or you get this, right,

1982
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 1: you get a foreign policy plus their political success or failure. Right,

1983
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: that becomes so with Harry Truman, Right, there's this he

1984
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 1: made tough He made a tough decision and a tough spot.

1985
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 1: You know, he was. He showed some steely spine, and

1986
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 1: he showed how you run against a Congress that's against

1987
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: you in forty eight, right, you know. So he's got

1988
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 1: both a political legacy that many a demokrat loves to

1989
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:04,360
Speaker 1: talk about historically, and he's got a form policy legacy

1990
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: that people like Ronald Reagan helped restore Truman's place in

1991
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: American history by because there was a long time, particularly Republicans,

1992
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, Truman was a was a punching bag for

1993
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: Republicans in the fifties and sixties, and it was Reagan

1994
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 1: that sort of started to refer to Truman more as

1995
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: a as a as a president that you know, we

1996
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 1: should be proud of and look up to. And it

1997
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 1: really sort of how it you know, maybe it's how

1998
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 1: he started to appeal to older, older Reagan that be

1999
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: older Democrats that would later become quote unquote Reagan Democrats.

2000
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: But the point is you throw that in there. Reagan

2001
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 1: sort of revised Truman in a positive way. Then you

2002
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: had the David McCullough biography that hit that really sort

2003
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 1: of redefined and certainly put Truman in a better light.

2004
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Speaker 1: So the point is is that Truman is one of

2005
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: the great samples. Eisenhower is another one. His presidency, you know,

2006
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 1: in the near term, was considered a little mah. I

2007
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: certainly think that looking back, he had a it was

2008
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: you got to you know, his presidency is is is

2009
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: a bit underrated in hindsight, and I think now he's

2010
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: starting to get his due. But I do think you

2011
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, here's the reality, what we're really

2012
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 1: saying here. Let's say it this way. You don't really

2013
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: know how good or bad a president was until the

2014
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 1: president dies. Till that president dies and we get the

2015
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 1: truth and you get people feeling like they can speak freely,

2016
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:43,080
Speaker 1: and you get access to archives and you start to

2017
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: because sometimes you can't paint the full picture because we

2018
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 1: don't have all the information. And then over time more

2019
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: of that information comes out, right, more papers get revealed,

2020
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 1: more letters, more family memoirs, things like that. So yes,

2021
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, look, I'll be ja right, we've been where,

2022
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 1: you know. I think the Vietnam legacy is still a

2023
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 1: pretty big, fat demerit on his presidency, but his domestic

2024
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 1: legacy is is starting to is seen in a more

2025
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 1: positive light and is starting to overtake the Vietnam legacy

2026
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: and putting him. Even Nixon has gone through ups and

2027
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: downs of his perception over the years. You know, in

2028
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: the nineties it started to weirdly improve, you know, over time.

2029
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 1: Now I think it's gone downward. How about George W. Bush,

2030
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: who were Donald Trump has both hurt his legacy and

2031
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: helped his legacy. Right, So a Dick Cheney talk about

2032
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 1: a guy who was viewed one way as vice president

2033
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 1: and has been remembered in recent death another way. So

2034
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 1: it is It's why I talk about I can't wait

2035
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 1: to find out and I'll be dead and gone unfortunately,

2036
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 1: but I can't wait to find out what people say

2037
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 1: about this era fifty years from now, that's for sure.

2038
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: All right, next question, Let's see where am I end

2039
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: time here? So I'm going to make this the last question.

2040
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm a lifelong end D fan, but I have been

2041
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: listening to your podcasts and found myself rooting and following you.

2042
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: M thank you. Part of it is because you need

2043
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: Miami succeed in order to make your loss Loip good

2044
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 1: for the colleg football playoff domor you know, I see

2045
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 1: you anyway. Sincere sympathies on the last game, I appreciate it.

2046
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: I enjoy your take on current events in DC and

2047
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,040
Speaker 1: across the country in a growth most everything you and

2048
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 1: your guests suggest very balanced. Michel and Meet the Press

2049
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: recently moved from southern Indiana. Go I you to West Bend, Wisconsin.

2050
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 1: Go back. Go and listen to your podcast the entire

2051
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 1: eight hour drive. Well, if you're lucky enough, maybe it's

2052
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: only one podcast parade hours, So I haven't totally roguified yet. Right.

2053
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and it helped me distract me from the

2054
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: two cats and cages that never stopped owling. That's hilarious. Question.

2055
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 1: What do you think Ronald Wagan would think about Trump?

2056
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 1: And this comes from Sherry. It's Sherry. By the way,

2057
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 1: you spell your name the same way my mother spells

2058
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,560
Speaker 1: her name. She is a Sherry. So that's a cchr.

2059
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: I I don't see that very often. So hey, mom,

2060
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 1: look there's another Sherry that spells her name the same way. Well,

2061
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,160
Speaker 1: if you ask Roger Stone what Ronald Reagan would have

2062
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 1: would think of Trump, I think he would say that

2063
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Reagan sort of liked Trump, but you know, was been

2064
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 1: mused by him a little bit. And you've got to

2065
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: remember what Reagan's you know, interactions with Trump were pretty minimal.

2066
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:39,280
Speaker 1: It was it is. I have a great origin story

2067
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan that I got from

2068
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 1: Roger Stone, so I'll share it with you here. That's

2069
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 1: why this is a perfect last question. So Roger Stone

2070
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 1: is a young operative in seventy eight seventy nine, and

2071
02:00:55,560 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 1: he is looking for he is working for Reagan's and

2072
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 1: he's in charge of New York for Reagan. All right,

2073
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 1: he's the New York and this isn't a primary. And

2074
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, it was thought they were

2075
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:13,960
Speaker 1: really trying to play catch up with George H. W. Bush,

2076
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:17,440
Speaker 1: who was a financial juggernaut. He had had a much

2077
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 1: better fundraising network going into nineteen eighty arguably than Ronald

2078
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 1: Reagan did. So Roger Stone needed a finance chair for

2079
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:29,520
Speaker 1: the New York Republicans for Reagan or New York for Reagan,

2080
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: whatever they were going to call their organization. And so

2081
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:40,280
Speaker 1: obviously one of Reagan's big supporters was Roy Cohne. So

2082
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: and you know, look, everybody you know, Roy Cohne was

2083
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 1: very connected in Hollywood, Reagan being a Hollywood guy. So

2084
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 1: that's how Cone got into the world of Reagan and

2085
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,680
Speaker 1: Nixon All and Cohne was always sort of part of

2086
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: that wing, part of you know, wherever the Republican Party

2087
02:01:56,240 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: was going. And so Roger Stone meets with Cone and

2088
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 1: he tells him, hey, I need a finance director for Reagan.

2089
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 1: And he says, you need Donald Trump. So but you

2090
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 1: need a first meet with Fred Trump that was Donald's father.

2091
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: So again, this is a story Roger Stone told me

2092
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 1: this was for a book interview I did that I

2093
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:26,919
Speaker 1: ended up not using just full disclosure on that. So anyway,

2094
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: so Stone, this is a very interesting story. Stone goes

2095
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,680
Speaker 1: to meet with Fred Trump and he walks into Fred

2096
02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 1: Trump's office and he sees all these photos on the wall. Right,

2097
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 1: it's very much like Donald Trump. Donald Trump, you know,

2098
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:43,040
Speaker 1: wherever he is, any office he has has photos of

2099
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and other and famous people. And Fred Trump

2100
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: was the same way. And at the time it was

2101
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 1: famous New York City people and New York City politicians.

2102
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,280
Speaker 1: And Roger Stone said he walked into the office and

2103
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: he'd look around and he saw all these pictures of

2104
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: Fred Trump with all these New York City democrats. You know,

2105
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 1: there was Fred Trump with a beam, there was Fred

2106
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: Trump with you know, all these different longtime New York

2107
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:15,560
Speaker 1: Democrats doing why why am I here? He was looking

2108
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:20,160
Speaker 1: for a Republican finance director to support a Republican candidate

2109
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,160
Speaker 1: for president, right, And here he is, you carry like,

2110
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Right? So he asked him and

2111
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 1: he says, mister Trump, you know I see all these

2112
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 1: pictures with Democrats. And Fred Trump then opens his drawer again,

2113
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,760
Speaker 1: this is a Roger Stone story. So you know, I'll

2114
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 1: let you decide the truth, truthiness level of it. But

2115
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Speaker 1: I don't you know, you're when you interview somebody in person,

2116
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 1: you sort of you feel like, you know, this is

2117
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Speaker 1: the best I can do. And there's certainly enough. You know,

2118
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Speaker 1: the the facts themselves are checkable, many of them, and

2119
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:02,320
Speaker 1: certainly over time, I think other parts of this story

2120
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Speaker 1: certainly have proven to be true. So according to Stone,

2121
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:09,680
Speaker 1: Fred Trump opens a drawer and he pulls out a

2122
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:14,919
Speaker 1: voided check that he had written to the John Birch Society.

2123
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

2124
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was one hundred thousand dollars. I think that's

2125
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Speaker 1: what Stone said to me at the time. Maybe it'd

2126
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Speaker 1: have been fifty thousands, who knows what the actual number was.

2127
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Speaker 1: Some at the time a big number, and he's like,

2128
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Speaker 1: you know, does this convince you that I'm one of

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Speaker 1: you at the time, And so from there, Fred Trump says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think I think Donald should do this. You know, essentially,

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Speaker 1: in order for Donald Trump to be involved, you had

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Speaker 1: to get Fred Trump's permission. Fred clears it, and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump becomes the you know, helps helps raise money for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in New York essentially, but the relationship was

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Speaker 1: essentially that right though, the way any president has a

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Speaker 1: relationship with people who help raise money. Presidents you have

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Speaker 1: to remember to know their name. You don't always really

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02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: know them that well. You know, I think it's really

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02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 1: hard to know what Reagan would have thought of them.

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02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 1: I know what Nancy Reagan. I have a feeling I

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02:05:13,160 --> 02:05:14,720
Speaker 1: know what Nancy Reagan would have thought him. I don't

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02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,840
Speaker 1: think it would have thought much of them, and I

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02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:21,640
Speaker 1: certainly don't think Jim Baker would have thought much of him.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a part of Trump that was

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02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:29,800
Speaker 1: that felt it was a little it was Reagan very

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02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: much is a guy who felt comfortable in a white tie,

2147
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump was sort of, oh, it's another way

2148
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 1: to put it, new money. I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you imply what that is. But I think

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02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 1: you know where I'm going here. So I don't want

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02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 1: to say it was oil and water, but I certainly,

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02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, the character stuff I think would bother Reagan

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02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot more than people understand do. I think that

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02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:58,000
Speaker 1: there was a there.

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Speaker 7: Maybe their belief in that somehow you sort of lean

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02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 7: in a little bit, you know, you steffen up, You

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02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 7: maybe push the envelope every now.

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Speaker 1: And then in order to make a point. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe you exert some power you may or may not have.

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02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 1: You make a threat that you're not really going to

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Speaker 1: carry through, but you go ahead and make the threat.

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02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 1: So certainly you might say there's some stylistic similarities that

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Speaker 1: Reagan might have been okay with. But I you know,

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Speaker 1: I think back to an anecdote in Jimmy Carter's book

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Speaker 1: on his Diaries, which I think is the greatest presidential

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Speaker 1: memoir I've ever read, because it was a die it

2167
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 1: was done. It was his diaries, with then notes later

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Speaker 1: on his and one of them was how the relationship

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Speaker 1: Reagan and Carter actually had In seventy seven and seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: Carter knew Reagan was his like opponent in eighty we

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02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: were in the middle of the Panama Canal debate at

2172
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Speaker 1: the time. Carter was going to do something. He said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't we give Reagan a heads up so before

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Speaker 1: he spouts off, he at least knows what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do. And that is what kind of like that's

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Speaker 1: that was sort of the cordiality that existed between the

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Speaker 1: two parties. And here was Reagan not even that there

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Speaker 1: was a a professional relationship between President Jimmy Carter and

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Speaker 1: the former governor of California who was his likely opponent.

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Speaker 1: But there was a sense that, you know, he ought

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Speaker 1: to be we ought to we know he's he's a

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Speaker 1: big advocate of not getting you know, of not letting

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Speaker 1: go of the canal. Let's let him know what I'm

2184
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:47,280
Speaker 1: doing here. So I really, you know, and maybe i'm

2185
02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 1: and I think we all do this with people that

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Speaker 1: are no longer alive. We'd like to think. I just

2187
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:54,880
Speaker 1: have a feeling Reagan wouldn't wouldn't be a big fan

2188
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Speaker 1: of the Trump character, even if he didn't mind some

2189
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Speaker 1: of the policies. All Right, that was a longer story

2190
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Speaker 1: than I planned. So I'm going to do a I

2191
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 1: apologize here because I don't like to go that long

2192
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,520
Speaker 1: unless you're on the eight hour drive with two howling cats.

2193
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:12,120
Speaker 1: Then I'm not going to apologize be helpful here. But

2194
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:16,400
Speaker 1: let's get in a little bit. It's homecoming weekend, Miami's

2195
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Speaker 1: you know. Look, there's a part of me that says, Miami,

2196
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Speaker 1: we should feel disrespected by the ESPN. The ESPN controlled

2197
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Speaker 1: College Football Committee. Remember this is the ESPN Invitational, they own,

2198
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Speaker 1: they control the college football playoff. So I don't accept

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Speaker 1: the premise that this is some sort of totally fair situation. Right,

2200
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 1: the SEC is going to get every benefit of it out.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is going to get every benefited out. For

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, even though the ACC is in business with ESPN,

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02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 1: the ACC does not have a business partner that treats

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Speaker 1: them fairly. And why the ACC has not been tougher

2205
02:08:56,240 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 1: on how ESPN mistreats their business partner they're in business together.

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02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:05,800
Speaker 1: I think the ACC Commissioner is two week in challenging

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Speaker 1: the way ESPN this is the ACC mistreats it, treats

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Speaker 1: it like a second class business partner. Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why anybody would get into business with ESPN and

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Speaker 1: college football during this SEC period because ESPN has made

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02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 1: the decision we are not going to prioritize anything else

2212
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Speaker 1: of the ACC. In fact, I learned a little nugget

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Speaker 1: in Dallas from a pretty well connected source about how

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Speaker 1: every week the Commissioner of the SEC, and I actually think,

2215
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Speaker 1: you know, this is his job. I don't know why

2216
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Speaker 1: the ACC commissioner is. Every week, the Commissioner of the

2217
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:47,960
Speaker 1: SEC lobbies ESPN to make sure Chris Fowler and Kirk

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Speaker 1: kerb Street are calling an SEC game, not an ACC

2219
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Speaker 1: game or a Big twelve game. And anytime he gets

2220
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Speaker 1: a whiff that they might go and make their and

2221
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Speaker 1: send their premiere broadcast team to a game that does

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Speaker 1: not feature an SEC team, Greg sank throws a conniption fit,

2223
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,560
Speaker 1: and he's constantly putting pressure on ESPN that if you

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Speaker 1: want to be in business with the SEC, you have

2225
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:18,040
Speaker 1: to prioritize the SEC and screw your other business partners

2226
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 1: in the ACC and Big twelve. So, again, very well

2227
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:26,960
Speaker 1: connected source on this that this happens almost weekly, that

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02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:31,480
Speaker 1: Greg Sanke pressures ESPN executives constantly in trying to make

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Speaker 1: sure SEC games are treated differently in ACC. So my

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Speaker 1: point is, yes, I still have that chip on my shoulder.

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Speaker 1: And yes, there's no doubt in my mind that the

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Speaker 1: ESPN Invitational Committee went out of their way to totally

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Speaker 1: you know, I think mystery. There is no way Alabama

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Speaker 1: or nd get dropped from two to eighteen with two

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02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 1: loss and they're losing two out of three. That quickly

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Speaker 1: that said, Look, it's not as if Miami didn't know

2237
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 1: what the uneven what the unfair rules were going to

2238
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,840
Speaker 1: be that you cannot get You cannot be in the

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Speaker 1: ACC and have two losses and expect to get in

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Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff. You can be in the SEC

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02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 1: and do that. You can be Notre Dame and do that.

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02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:13,880
Speaker 1: You're not going to be allowed to do that in

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02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: the a SEC because they have arbitrary They have arbitrary

2244
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 1: rules of how this works because Greg Shanky's going to

2245
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 1: make a phone call and they don't want to deal

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02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:25,560
Speaker 1: with it. So let's realize that that's the rules of

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Speaker 1: the game. And I understood that going in, which is

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Speaker 1: why I'm angrier at a football team not prepared to

2249
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 1: win a game knowing that there that the season was

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Speaker 1: on the line. So look, I want Miami and win

2251
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Speaker 1: every game. I hope they can get their heads together.

2252
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge test for this coaching staff.

2253
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:53,400
Speaker 1: If they can't finish the season and run the table here,

2254
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 1: then you have to wonder if they've lost the team. Again,

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Speaker 1: there's not a single team they've played where they have

2256
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 1: less talent, but there are plenty of teams that they've

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02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 1: played where they're getting out coached and out prepared. And

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02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: that's the problem, and that's it. I look, do I

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Speaker 1: think Stracuse with Steve Angelly would be giving Miami? I

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02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:17,440
Speaker 1: would have me nervous, it would, I am, But I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you I would not. This is not

2262
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Speaker 1: a week I would bet on either Syracuse. No outcome

2263
02:12:22,280 --> 02:12:24,080
Speaker 1: would surprise me. If you told me Mimmy had to

2264
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:27,400
Speaker 1: sleep walk in one by ten because half the team's

2265
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:30,640
Speaker 1: just not that into it and they realized that the

2266
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 1: goals of the season are over, that wouldn't surprise me.

2267
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 1: Or or if Mimmy put up a sixty burger and

2268
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,880
Speaker 1: suddenly woke up and decided, hey, we're going to make

2269
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: this really difficult for the ESPN executives when we're sitting

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Speaker 1: at ten and two and they've got to explain why

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Speaker 1: they're picking notre ed aim ahead of Miami for the

2272
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 1: college football playoff. So, like I said, I certainly still

2273
02:12:56,240 --> 02:13:00,880
Speaker 1: have a chip about all this in different ways. Look quick,

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Speaker 1: you know this is not the not the best college

2275
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:07,960
Speaker 1: football weekend, but I think there's a few it should

2276
02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 1: have been. Right LSU Alabama when the season started looked

2277
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:14,720
Speaker 1: like it was a big deal. But here's the games

2278
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Speaker 1: that I'm I'm curious to see because I'm curious to

2279
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:21,120
Speaker 1: see if there's any any fight left in a handful

2280
02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:24,280
Speaker 1: of teams. So Miami Syracuse is a classic one, right.

2281
02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:29,400
Speaker 1: How engaged is Miami? Is this? I've told you this

2282
02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:34,200
Speaker 1: has happened multiple seasons in a row where once once

2283
02:13:34,280 --> 02:13:37,960
Speaker 1: the postseason goals are over, there seems to be a

2284
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,480
Speaker 1: collapse with the rest of the rest of the team.

2285
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 1: Does that happen here? Or can Miami successfully win by

2286
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,240
Speaker 1: five or six touchdowns, which frankly they're favored to do.

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02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:51,520
Speaker 1: How about Penn State? They gave a one half of

2288
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 1: a fight to Ohio State. Well, they play Indiana this week.

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02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:59,880
Speaker 1: This game's at Penn State. I think the new coach

2290
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 1: ump is usually only worth only works after the first

2291
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,560
Speaker 1: week or two. Then I start to wonder our players

2292
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:09,120
Speaker 1: starting to think about what their value is in the portal.

2293
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:12,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you this is a better I am

2294
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:16,240
Speaker 1: not fading Indiana anymore. I'm out. I've lost too much

2295
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:20,080
Speaker 1: money betting against Indiana thinking that these points spreads are overpriced.

2296
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm out not touching it. Congratch Signetti. I've googled you.

2297
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:31,240
Speaker 1: You win, you cover, that's for sure. But does Penn

2298
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:35,280
Speaker 1: State have any life left? If they do? Maybe this

2299
02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:37,760
Speaker 1: is you know, I still think Indiana is going to

2300
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:40,040
Speaker 1: have a one more scare in them, right. The Iowa

2301
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:44,320
Speaker 1: game turned out to be a huge scare BYU Texas

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Speaker 1: Tech is a huge game winner, is going to be

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02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 1: probably the favorite in the Big twelve losers likely out

2304
02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:57,680
Speaker 1: right BUYU man, they are a only UVA has more

2305
02:14:57,680 --> 02:15:02,320
Speaker 1: smoking mirrors than BYU. Right, But your record, you know,

2306
02:15:02,360 --> 02:15:05,880
Speaker 1: as the great Bill Parcells said, your record is you

2307
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:07,880
Speaker 1: are what your record says you are. And there ain't

2308
02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 1: a no you know what that tells me? So really

2309
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:14,120
Speaker 1: well coached team, because they always uh they're prepared to

2310
02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:17,160
Speaker 1: win no matter what situation they get put in. But

2311
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 1: this is a tough road test. It's a much bigger

2312
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:22,480
Speaker 1: game for Texas Tech. A second loss and all you

2313
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:26,520
Speaker 1: know than than they're crying and they're in their nilber

2314
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 1: the way Miami is. I'm not saying Ohio State's on

2315
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 1: upset alert, but they're playing at Purdue. They've blown this

2316
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: game before as a top five team. I'm not saying,

2317
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:49,120
Speaker 1: but this is a team produce shown some fight. They

2318
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:58,280
Speaker 1: stick around in games unlikely, but anyway, put it this way,

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02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:01,200
Speaker 1: put it in your four box, especially if sin there's

2320
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big ten network game. It'll actually

2321
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:06,360
Speaker 1: be of your YouTube TV subscription. A and M in

2322
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 1: Missouri is an elimination game. Missouri's at a four string quarterback.

2323
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:14,040
Speaker 1: This is probably even though it's ranked versus rank, this

2324
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:16,840
Speaker 1: is probably a flex a moment where A and M

2325
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:20,600
Speaker 1: gets to flex. They Probably the best game on the

2326
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 1: board is Oregon and Iowa. I don't know if you've

2327
02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 1: been paying attention, but the Kirk Farrence's team there in

2328
02:16:29,320 --> 02:16:32,640
Speaker 1: Iowa City, man, they you know, yes, they've got the

2329
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:36,200
Speaker 1: lost Indiana a game. They've given Indiana the toughest game

2330
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Speaker 1: that they've faced. There is no tougher place to play

2331
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:47,000
Speaker 1: than than Kinnick Stadium there i This is you know,

2332
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:50,640
Speaker 1: losers out of the playoffs. This is probably a loser

2333
02:16:50,680 --> 02:16:54,560
Speaker 1: goes home winner is you know, at this point, especially

2334
02:16:54,560 --> 02:16:56,600
Speaker 1: if the ACC is only going to get one, that

2335
02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:59,440
Speaker 1: means that Big ten might get four teams. You know,

2336
02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:03,760
Speaker 1: who's the fourth team, who's the third team? Iowa a

2337
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,720
Speaker 1: win here, and they're suddenly making a play for that

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02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:10,120
Speaker 1: third or fourth Big ten slot. So it's a big

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02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,600
Speaker 1: game and I think the sneaky best game of the

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02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:18,000
Speaker 1: weekend Auburn and Vanderbilt. Do you believe in the new

2341
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:22,120
Speaker 1: coach bump, the Hugh Freeze firing. It's it's actually done

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02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:24,680
Speaker 1: quite well if you look at it through the spread.

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02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 1: I you know, if you wanted to pick vander you

2344
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:35,160
Speaker 1: can pick some knits at Vanderbilt. You know, their body

2345
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:37,640
Speaker 1: of work is great, but when you look under the hood,

2346
02:17:38,640 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 1: it's not statistically the greatest on that front. If somebody's

2347
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna finally knock UVA off of its perch and give

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02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: them their first loss in the ACC, Wake Forest is

2349
02:17:52,200 --> 02:17:55,720
Speaker 1: a pretty good candidate. Don't overlook that game. And then

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02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:59,119
Speaker 1: the two others. They again, it's more on upset alert

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02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 1: than anything else. Does LSU have a have a relieve

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02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 1: that Brian Kelly has gone bump? Does Garrett us Meyer,

2353
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 1: who clearly wasn't getting along with coach Brian Kelly. Does

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02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:14,240
Speaker 1: he have the game of his life against Alabama. Here's

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02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:17,640
Speaker 1: something that is true. Whenever Alabama's favored by double digits

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02:18:18,560 --> 02:18:21,280
Speaker 1: in the when Calen Debor has been in charge, the

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02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:24,280
Speaker 1: games turned into a pretty interesting game. And in fact,

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02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:27,360
Speaker 1: Alabama's blown a couple of them. So that's a small

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02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:31,240
Speaker 1: upset alert. And then Navy at Notre Dame. It seems

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02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:33,360
Speaker 1: as if Navy always there was a time where it

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02:18:33,400 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 1: didn't matter what Navy's record was, it was a given

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02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:38,840
Speaker 1: that they'd make Notre Dame sweat you know, that they

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02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:44,000
Speaker 1: would make it a one score game. I think after

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02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:47,040
Speaker 1: the clunker that Notre Dame had last week against BC,

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02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:50,720
Speaker 1: that they probably right the ship and they take care

2366
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:53,960
Speaker 1: of business here. But I enjoy me a good Navy

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02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:58,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame matchup, and I know a lot of a

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02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of my midshipmen retirees also do too. Always fun

2369
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:05,640
Speaker 1: to see Navy play with the big boys and hang

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02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:07,760
Speaker 1: with Notre Dame, and they've done it a lot throughout

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02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:11,240
Speaker 1: this century. I think they even pulled an upset once. So,

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02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:15,800
Speaker 1: like I said, no awesome games this weekend no games

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02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:20,360
Speaker 1: of the year, which probably means at least two top

2374
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,280
Speaker 1: five teams lose. Right, Because it's always the weeks you

2375
02:19:23,320 --> 02:19:28,080
Speaker 1: don't expect that college football delivers the kookie and the crazy.

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02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:32,080
Speaker 1: So for those of you going to Miami or going

2377
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,880
Speaker 1: to any college football game, enjoy your weekend doing that.

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02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:37,560
Speaker 1: And for some of you, I'll see you in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Go Kins.