WEBVTT - A Week to Forget for the White Sox | Episode 117 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:09.400 Socks on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left? 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:12.399 What is going on? 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.120 White Sox fans, and Welcome to episode one and seventeen 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.800 of These Socks on thirty fifth podcast. I am your 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.080 host for the evening, Jordan Leazaski. I am joined as 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.920 always by Nick Auer and friend of the show, Minor 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.280 League managing editor, who has had less and less to 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.840 talk about at times on this show than usual. Michael 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.720 swearro also joining us this evening. Gentlemen, how are you 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.400 both doing or how are you both? I guess holding up. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.600 I will say first though, to the father on the show, 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.199 Michael swear Happy Father's Day, sir. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.280 Thanks Jordan, I appreciate that I had a good Father's 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.440 Day today, holding up pretty well. I wish we could 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.440 have gotten a win on Father's Day, but that was 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.560 a rough one to witness. Both me and my grandpa 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.080 were together, just yelling at the TV, yelling at Sir 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.520 Anthony Dominga's and the fielding and everything that just went 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.080 wrong at the end of that game. But otherwise we're 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.399 doing pretty good. Luckily, I got my my five month 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.000 old to cheer me up, so that's that's as good 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.000 as I could be at the moment. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.160 Yeah, that's nice that you and your grandpa got to 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.120 watch the game together at least. And I'm yeah, I 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.840 didn't get to watch today's game. I mean, obviously know 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.679 what happened, but I'm kind of happy based on what 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.319 I've read about that I wasn't watching. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:33.920 That. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.720 Being said, it does feel good that we're kind of 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.360 like ripping through these episodes now. The Jordan's Saga is 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.119 one seventeen. Like I remember the big deal, like all 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.480 the hoopla around Upside one hundred and it said, Okay, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.280 we're we're doing these so consistently. Now we're doing more 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.080 than one per week in a lot of cases because 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.200 the team is so interesting right now. And yes, I 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.600 know they're one in five this week, but you know, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.800 the vibes are still good. We got Charity's Day coming 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.440 up Tuesday. We've got a big home series against Cleveland, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.520 So I don't know, it's a different team on the 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.240 home at home that it is on the road, I 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.840 should say. So, I'm still trying to be optimistic heading 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:04.440 into this week. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.040 Say this. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.160 Because I know I've gone back and forth on this 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.080 throughout the start of the year. It's good news and 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.880 bad news. The good news is I now have expectations 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.320 for this team, and I've gotten mad at games. The 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.480 bad news is I now have expectation for this team, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:29.320 and I get mad at games. I realized it on 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.600 Sunday when the game end of the way it did, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.680 and we we're having just trying to do a family 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.400 dinner for father's sake. My mom goes, why are you 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.080 so quiet? I'm like, no reason. I'm sorting like, oh 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.200 my god, it's because of that stupid baseball team. And 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.560 I have my rule, like a thirty minutes after a 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.440 game is the longeside allow myself to be mad at 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.359 a sporting event. But I was mad and I didn't 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.640 realize it, and then. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.840 I did, and I was like, ah damn. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.360 I've held out as long as I could on this team, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:11.839 and unfortunately I am now expecting things from them. So Nick, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.320 I guess I've caught up with you. Michael, I'm not 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.040 sure where you ever felt on that, but I'm here. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.279 Look, part of the reason why I got into prospects 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.679 was because I was just I got to a point 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.960 where I got used to the White Sox disappointing me, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.360 so like just getting into prospects, like giving myself something 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.600 to look forward to in the future. Like that's what 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.640 kept me being like an avid White Sox fan. But 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:37.760 just like you, now they're starting to give me hope. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.760 Now I'm expecting them to actually be competitive and win 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.480 these games. So like when they lose a game like that, 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.560 it does get to me. Man, I was just upset 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.600 as you were. Luckily, I grew up in a very 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.800 sports centric family, so you know, I was just saying, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.800 I was yelling at the TV with my grandpa, also 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.560 yelling at the TV with my mom, who's a big 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.760 White Sox fan, So like it something that we're all 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.080 kind of used to. The White we're just like saying 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.080 the same old White Sox, or at least they were. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.320 I'm trying to keep a positive attitude here, but like 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.520 it is frustrating when they're losing games that they should 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.840 be winning now. But also at the same time, that 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.760 tells you that this team is at a different spot 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.960 than we're used to seeing them. So on one end, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.599 I'm happy we're at this spot, but like it's just 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.240 frustrating when they're not playing up to what they should 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.280 be playing at. And I've got some thoughts that I'm 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.040 sure we're going to get too later in the show 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.080 about why that's happening and why maybe we are overacting 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.400 a little bit. But I digress. It's a great spot, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.440 but man, it can be frustrating sometimes. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.120 Yeah, I think we'll jump right into that point, but 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.040 before we get too far into the show, be sure 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.039 to subscribe to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, wherever 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.039 you get your podcasts. We've been slowly building this YouTube 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.400 channel up, so continue to please support. We love seeing 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.640 guys in the chat. So guys who are listening right 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.560 now dropping out in the chat, I always love reading 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.559 them as we're going. 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It was a dormant offense, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.520 and I think that's the politest. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.760 Term I will use for it. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.320 But then you started to see whether it's me finally 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.719 getting angry or some of the fan reactions on social media. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.320 People are pissed after a one and five week. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.600 I guess your thoughts on why that is, or I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.320 let's just start there, like where do we feel like 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.920 the feelings are valid? Valid's not the right word, but 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.800 like realistic is maybe the right word of I am 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.440 mad because. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.960 Of X, Y and Z reasons over the past week 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.000 or so of games. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.560 Well, I think it really starts with we've just seen 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.960 this team play better, Like we know that they have 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.320 that in them. We just saw them take serieses against 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.200 the Braves and the Dodgers, and we saw them be 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.800 at least competitive with the Yankees. We know that this 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.240 team has more in it than they just showed in 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.080 this series, Like getting swept by the Tigers, the last 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.240 place Tigers should be unacceptable. And sure, they're starting to 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.479 get a little more healthy, they have school all back, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.159 and they're probably better than what their record says. But 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.040 we've just a couple of weeks ago, we were on 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.760 this high watching this team play such good baseball and 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.520 then it just looked like it all went down the drain. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.320 So that's what the first trading part is, is, like, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.479 we know that this team completely better than they've shown 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:10.520 these last six games, where it's hard to get too upset, 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.240 at least for me, and where I'm maybe trying to 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.520 take a step back and see the bigger picture here, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.160 and maybe this is part of me being that prospect 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.560 guy and always kind of looking more towards the future. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.600 This is still a very young team and they're learning 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.560 how to win games still. They've cleared a massive hurdle 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 this season by just playing competitively. Now they have to 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.600 learn how to win on the road. Now they have 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.400 to learn how to overcome some of these slumps that 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.920 players are going through. You know, the pitching we all 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.760 know needs to be improved overall. The hitting hasn't been 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.239 that big of an issue until recently. Now we're starting 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.280 to see them slump a little more. How can they 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.200 get over that? What adjustments can they make? Who's going 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.360 to step up to kind of fill that void? Now? 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.920 You know, we do have Kyle Teal maybe coming back 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.040 as soon as tomorrow, that's kind of what it sounds like. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.160 But when you're seeing Colson Montgomery slump when you're not 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.240 getting the production from Urracami because he's on the shelf. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.040 When you're just getting no production from the catcher position whatsoever, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.400 you have to rely on other people to step up, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.000 and we've seen it happen throughout the season, but recently 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.600 it doesn't seem like that's happening. Part of that is 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.800 just we have a really young team that's still learning 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.600 how to win some of these games. So it is 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.480 kind of growing pains. You are going to see some 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.880 of those peaks and valleys, and I do think we 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.360 need to take a bit of a step back and 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.800 realize that that's where we're at and we are still 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.240 very much ahead of where we're supposed to be right now. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.320 It is still frustrating because we've seen them play better. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.679 We know that they should be playing better and they 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.679 need to get more consistent in that manner. But I 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.160 am trying to still take that holistic picture here and 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.400 be like, this is just part of how that incredibly 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.080 young team and they just have to learn how to 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.120 what they need to do to get past it. They're 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.160 going to start to get healthier. It could just be 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.080 a very short lived thing. We'll wait and see what happens. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.200 But I'm still optimistic about this team. I'm not gonna 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.319 sit here and say that the sky's falling because I 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.240 really just don't think it is. Yeah. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.200 No, those are all really good points by MICHAELA. I 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.080 I agree with everything you said. I also would take 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.280 it a bit further and say that the way they've 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.400 been losing is maybe it's more frustrating to me than 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.920 the fact that they're losing, because you said it well, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.679 you said that we've been complaining about the pitching all year, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.760 and the offense has done pretty good. But this week, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.240 at least the Detroit series, it was the offense that 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.760 was failing more than the pitching. And I that's what's 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.840 frustrating to me, is because the starting pitching in particular 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.760 is what everyone myself included, has had a lot more 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.480 concerned with for the rest of the season, the second 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.080 half of the season, what's that going to look like? 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.080 But this week in Detroit, the starters, I mean, I 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.800 know one game was a bullpenne game, so it's hard 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.000 to quantify that, but you know, Fetti and Davis Martin 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.760 did their jobs, and the bullpen that opener Newcomb did 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.040 his job on Saturday, and the offens just couldn't score runs. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.120 And what makes me. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.280 Feel a little bit better about it is that when 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.760 Murakami first got injured, you know whatever, it was like 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.200 three weeks ago, what I told myself is, this is 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.640 what we're going to see. We're going to see a 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.000 lot of you know, low scoring games that we probably 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.679 wouldn't have been in without the injuries. To about him 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.040 and Teal, I even said to my dad today, like, 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.040 I think that the White Sofe would have won at 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.040 least one of these last two games against the Tigers 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.040 if Murakani were present. Instead of getting pretty much nothing 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.720 out of you know, Jacob Gonzales or Ben and Tende, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.680 whoever you could argue was starting in his place that 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.319 particular day, Murakami probably at least gets on base a 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.040 couple of times, if not hit a home run or two. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.719 So I think that's where you're really missing him. It's 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.439 still impressive with to me that they played as well 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.040 as they did without him for so long. The offense, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.480 I should say, but you know, hopefully Teal is back 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.320 this week at some point, and you start to kind 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.840 of get get those guys back in the lineup because unfortunately, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.280 it's like one phase of the team gets better in 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.040 this case is starting pitching, but their face steps back 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.120 and you just really want to see it all clicking 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:04.800 at the same time. And I think we still could 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.840 get that, especially as the team gets healthier. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.880 Yeah, with them coming back home, I'm hoping there's a 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.560 little bit we continue to harp on the same things, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.120 like you have to do some roster churning, right, you 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.840 have to continue to cycle through arms. They did it 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:24.120 with Tyler Davis. I'm glad they finally flipped the switch 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.959 like that. That was that was a ticking time bomb 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.440 for a little bit there, and it finally blew up 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.160 in their faces at the worst possible moment. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:33.600 It is what it is. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.280 Newcom is a guy that he's become incredibly valuable in 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.480 like that two three inning roll. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.880 I wonder if they even stretch them ount a little 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.240 bit further. They don't have. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:44.880 The problem is they don't have the luxury to do that, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.920 which is frustrating at this point, and I hope at 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.360 some point they do find the luxury to do it. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.760 Those are just my initial thoughts, My most frustrating thing. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:01.080 And Nick, you tweeted about it. Why is Grant Taylor 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.200 pitching once this week? I get there were some blow 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.080 up games, right, like there was no expectation to pitch 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.400 the first couple of games in New York, and even 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.760 the third game was borderline. But you walked into a 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.000 bullpen game against Detroit on Saturday that you said was 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.080 a bullpen game and you didn't use your best reliever 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:27.440 during that game. It's an insane oversight on my opinion, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.720 from my opinion, without knowing obviously who's available who's not. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.120 But then where you back yourself into a corner. And 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.000 I don't know how either of you feel on this. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.480 When it comes to Taylor's usuage on Sunday with one 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:46.240 inning versus two innings, I feel like that that came 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:51.480 off to me as you know, we've got to play Cleveland. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.160 I might need him tomorrow, demingez can finish this game 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.800 off versus winning the game that's right in front of 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.880 you against the division rival. That's where I go back 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.679 and forth on this week, because like, yes, we're gonna 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.840 have weeks. As fans were like, these guys couldn't hit 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.800 the broad side of a barn. And that's that's part 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.640 of having the youngest team, one of the youngest teams 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.040 in baseball. I what age twenty six average in the 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.640 starting lineup. But Nick, to your point, it's how they're 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.760 doing it at the same time, like that grand Taylor alone, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.120 it's inexcusable for how he was used the past couple 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.520 of games in Detroit. I don't know that that's what 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.040 I walked away most frustrated by. And Venville's postgen comments 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.240 on Sunday didn't give much insight into it other than yeah, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.480 we felt good about Domingas in that spot. I don't 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.160 know why you would, to be honest with you, given 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.160 the recent track record. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.800 Yeah, the tailor thing. I mean, the only way I 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.600 can think about irrationally is they must just not be 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.120 prioritizing him being a starting pressure next season the way 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.640 that they claimed they would, you know, heading into the season, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.760 because otherwise they would be using a lot more from 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.880 multiple innings. And you could argue with today's a game 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.640 that you know I started. I didn't watch the game, 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.400 but at least was tracking pitch by pitch in the 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.360 eighth and ninth and he was missing a lot, like 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.960 he was falling behind hitters. Obviously keep up the home run, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.120 so he wasn't his normal self. But I look at 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.599 that and I think, well, whose fault is that he 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.400 hasn't pitched in a week. He's probably rusty, and he 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.640 seemed to figure things out toward the end of that inning. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.480 So yeah, I think more likely than not, do you 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.120 send him out for that ninth, then you probably win 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.240 that game. He probably gets to save. So that's what's 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.200 frustrating to me, especially Saturday. I was watching Saturday, and 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.280 as soon as Newcome left the game after the third inning, 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.600 I was taking great, go to Taylor for four and five, 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.080 maybe four five, six if you really want to get 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.200 innings out of him, and then seven eight nine can 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.480 be some combo of like Bryan Hudson, Domingaz, somebody else here. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.720 The bullpenp was pretty rested honestly heading into that game. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.400 The important guys, I should say, but they just didn't 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.280 use them, And yeah, it's frustrating. It reminds me a 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.000 lot of the way Kopek was handled. It was onently 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.240 twenty one where he got innings out of the bullpen, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.480 but not nearly enough. There would be these long stretches 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.800 where he just wouldn't pitch. The saving grace for him 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.480 is he actually got a spot start here and there 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.320 where he would throw five or six innings, and actually 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:05.880 he was pretty good as a starter that year, just 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.680 a limited run. The White's notn't really doing that with Taylor. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.400 I don't know if they will, but you know, we 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.480 talk all the time about how this team needs to have, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.720 you know, someone step up in the starting rotation. You 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.800 kind of have a perfect guy right there in Taylor 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.400 who should maybe shouldn't be a start of the whole 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.680 season because he doesn't have the you know, the staminar 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.360 or whatever. But late in the season and dare I 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.520 say playoffs, that's someone I want starting game. I just 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.040 don't know if that's feasible at this point. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.560 But two things on that. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.680 Number One, they need to do it with somebody, and 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.600 if they're not willing to do it with Taylor, Davis 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.120 or not. Davis Newcome came into this season and they 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.440 said he was going to compete for the starting or 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.760 for the starting rotation. So you have a guy that 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.280 has a history of being stretched out. Obviously was moved 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.560 to the bullpen because the stuff played up better. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:48.440 I totally get it. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.560 But someone's got to do it right, Like, you have 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.440 to be creative at some point, and that's been we've 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:55.080 talked about that. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.320 That's my frustration. If you're going to overachieve. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.360 And you're going to do it in a way that 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.960 is very Milwaukee esque or Tampa Bay esque or even 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.840 Guardians ask you have to be willing to do things 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.440 differently and do things that are a little created and 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.560 they haven't done that yet. And it's this is where 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.600 it comes back to bite them and the tailor thing. Yes, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.080 I agree, and probably part of the logic was, well, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.240 it didn't look good that first sitting. The devil you know, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.800 is still better than the one you don't, Right, you 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.720 don't know what Dimingas has on any given day, but 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.040 you know, hey, Taylor, even if he doesn't have his 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.600 best stuff, I'll still take him against the bottom of 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.640 that order, right Like that's I don't know. For me, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:36.520 it is so frustrating to have so few arms and 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.680 such limited ways in which they're deploying them at the 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:44.040 same time, and and it's the creativity element to me 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:45.680 that I still still feel is lacking. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.920 Yeah, I very much agree with that. I do wonder 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.280 so I was just talking about how you know this 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.440 this is a young team. There's going to be growing pains. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.560 I think they were scene there with the manager too. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.280 I think Will Bendable is still very an experienced manager. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.640 I think he's still kind of learning how to navigate 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.000 a bullpen, and I think that is something that he 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.600 really does need to work on. If not mid season, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:13.919 he's going to need to take a long look at 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.920 how he managed this bullpen over the offseason and adjusts 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.240 from there, because some of the decision making there is 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:25.040 just head scratching, Like not pitching Grand Taylor let alone 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.720 in an bullpen day when he is your best bullpen arm, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.960 but not pitching him for a full week. I just 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.320 I don't understand that. And sure some of those games 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.399 are out of reach anyways, but some of them were 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.280 still up for the taking and the game just got 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.800 blown wide open. So not using him at all and 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.000 then coming back to only give him the eighth inning 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.000 this game when he very easily could have taken the 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.080 eighth and ninth ending. In my opinion, he was well rested, 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.560 he was getting to nick your point, he was getting 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.639 better throughout that inning, and yeah, it's going to happen 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.320 if you don't pitch for a week straight, you're going 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.400 to be a little there. So yeah, you're gonna make 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.520 a few mistakes early on in that outing. But he 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.920 adjusted he should have stayed out there for that night. 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:12.360 I'm very firm on that. I don't know with Newcome. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:14.680 I do think that they feel like they have to 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.439 keep him in the bullpen right now because they have 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:21.040 so few reliable bullpen arms. I am curious if they 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.160 do get in the position where they're adding, do they 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.680 prioritize adding a starter or do they want to prioritize 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.000 adding maybe relievers and then entertain stretching new Come out 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.800 to get some more starts. I do wonder if, since 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.080 I'm the prospect, I have to bring this up. I 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.800 do wonder if the injuries to guys like Hagen Smith 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.760 and Tanner McDougall maybe through a wrench in some of 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.639 their plans. I feel like both of them were probably 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.399 supposed to be up by now in the rotations, So 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.840 I do feel like they just don't quite have the 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.919 pitching depth that they thought they were going to have. Now, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.800 maybe that can turn into one or both of those 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.040 guys being the bullpen depth down the road. I've thought 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.280 about the idea of maybe moving Tanner McDougal into the 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.440 bullpen arm, but that's a discussion you can have later. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.280 But it just seems like something's off right now. I 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.800 don't know exactly what it is. Is it Will Benable 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.480 learning how to manage his bullpen, Is it they don't 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.840 have faith in the arms they have. It might honestly 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.080 just be both, but it just it just doesn't look 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:29.720 great right now. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.520 Here's my first hot take for the Evening and the 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.360 little behind the scenes here. When we knew Duke wasn't 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.880