Speaker 1: Socks on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left?
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 3: White Sox fans, and Welcome to episode one and seventeen
Speaker 3: of These Socks on thirty fifth podcast. I am your
Speaker 3: host for the evening, Jordan Leazaski. I am joined as
Speaker 3: always by Nick Auer and friend of the show, Minor
Speaker 3: League managing editor, who has had less and less to
Speaker 3: talk about at times on this show than usual. Michael
Speaker 3: swearro also joining us this evening. Gentlemen, how are you
Speaker 3: both doing or how are you both? I guess holding up.
Speaker 3: I will say first though, to the father on the show,
Speaker 3: Michael swear Happy Father's Day, sir.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jordan, I appreciate that I had a good Father's
Speaker 1: Day today, holding up pretty well. I wish we could
Speaker 1: have gotten a win on Father's Day, but that was
Speaker 1: a rough one to witness. Both me and my grandpa
Speaker 1: were together, just yelling at the TV, yelling at Sir
Speaker 1: Anthony Dominga's and the fielding and everything that just went
Speaker 1: wrong at the end of that game. But otherwise we're
Speaker 1: doing pretty good. Luckily, I got my my five month
Speaker 1: old to cheer me up, so that's that's as good
Speaker 1: as I could be at the moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's nice that you and your grandpa got to
Speaker 4: watch the game together at least. And I'm yeah, I
Speaker 4: didn't get to watch today's game. I mean, obviously know
Speaker 4: what happened, but I'm kind of happy based on what
Speaker 4: I've read about that I wasn't watching.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 4: Being said, it does feel good that we're kind of
Speaker 4: like ripping through these episodes now. The Jordan's Saga is
Speaker 4: one seventeen. Like I remember the big deal, like all
Speaker 4: the hoopla around Upside one hundred and it said, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're we're doing these so consistently. Now we're doing more
Speaker 4: than one per week in a lot of cases because
Speaker 4: the team is so interesting right now. And yes, I
Speaker 4: know they're one in five this week, but you know,
Speaker 4: the vibes are still good. We got Charity's Day coming
Speaker 4: up Tuesday. We've got a big home series against Cleveland,
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's a different team on the
Speaker 4: home at home that it is on the road, I
Speaker 4: should say. So, I'm still trying to be optimistic heading
Speaker 4: into this week.
Speaker 2: Say this.
Speaker 3: Because I know I've gone back and forth on this
Speaker 3: throughout the start of the year. It's good news and
Speaker 3: bad news. The good news is I now have expectations
Speaker 3: for this team, and I've gotten mad at games. The
Speaker 3: bad news is I now have expectation for this team,
Speaker 3: and I get mad at games. I realized it on
Speaker 3: Sunday when the game end of the way it did,
Speaker 3: and we we're having just trying to do a family
Speaker 3: dinner for father's sake. My mom goes, why are you
Speaker 3: so quiet? I'm like, no reason. I'm sorting like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's because of that stupid baseball team. And
Speaker 3: I have my rule, like a thirty minutes after a
Speaker 3: game is the longeside allow myself to be mad at
Speaker 3: a sporting event. But I was mad and I didn't
Speaker 3: realize it, and then.
Speaker 2: I did, and I was like, ah damn.
Speaker 3: I've held out as long as I could on this team,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately I am now expecting things from them. So Nick,
Speaker 3: I guess I've caught up with you. Michael, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure where you ever felt on that, but I'm here.
Speaker 1: Look, part of the reason why I got into prospects
Speaker 1: was because I was just I got to a point
Speaker 1: where I got used to the White Sox disappointing me,
Speaker 1: so like just getting into prospects, like giving myself something
Speaker 1: to look forward to in the future. Like that's what
Speaker 1: kept me being like an avid White Sox fan. But
Speaker 1: just like you, now they're starting to give me hope.
Speaker 1: Now I'm expecting them to actually be competitive and win
Speaker 1: these games. So like when they lose a game like that,
Speaker 1: it does get to me. Man, I was just upset
Speaker 1: as you were. Luckily, I grew up in a very
Speaker 1: sports centric family, so you know, I was just saying,
Speaker 1: I was yelling at the TV with my grandpa, also
Speaker 1: yelling at the TV with my mom, who's a big
Speaker 1: White Sox fan, So like it something that we're all
Speaker 1: kind of used to. The White we're just like saying
Speaker 1: the same old White Sox, or at least they were.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep a positive attitude here, but like
Speaker 1: it is frustrating when they're losing games that they should
Speaker 1: be winning now. But also at the same time, that
Speaker 1: tells you that this team is at a different spot
Speaker 1: than we're used to seeing them. So on one end,
Speaker 1: I'm happy we're at this spot, but like it's just
Speaker 1: frustrating when they're not playing up to what they should
Speaker 1: be playing at. And I've got some thoughts that I'm
Speaker 1: sure we're going to get too later in the show
Speaker 1: about why that's happening and why maybe we are overacting
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I digress. It's a great spot,
Speaker 1: but man, it can be frustrating sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Let's actually start.
Speaker 3: At your point, Michael, I don't need to rehash everything here.
Speaker 3: One in five this week they won one game, five
Speaker 3: to one. Four of the runs that happened in that
Speaker 3: victory came on one swing. It was a dormant offense,
Speaker 3: and I think that's the politest.
Speaker 2: Term I will use for it.
Speaker 3: But then you started to see whether it's me finally
Speaker 3: getting angry or some of the fan reactions on social media.
Speaker 2: People are pissed after a one and five week.
Speaker 3: I guess your thoughts on why that is, or I
Speaker 3: let's just start there, like where do we feel like
Speaker 3: the feelings are valid? Valid's not the right word, but
Speaker 3: like realistic is maybe the right word of I am
Speaker 3: mad because.
Speaker 2: Of X, Y and Z reasons over the past week
Speaker 2: or so of games.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it really starts with we've just seen
Speaker 1: this team play better, Like we know that they have
Speaker 1: that in them. We just saw them take serieses against
Speaker 1: the Braves and the Dodgers, and we saw them be
Speaker 1: at least competitive with the Yankees. We know that this
Speaker 1: team has more in it than they just showed in
Speaker 1: this series, Like getting swept by the Tigers, the last
Speaker 1: place Tigers should be unacceptable. And sure, they're starting to
Speaker 1: get a little more healthy, they have school all back,
Speaker 1: and they're probably better than what their record says. But
Speaker 1: we've just a couple of weeks ago, we were on
Speaker 1: this high watching this team play such good baseball and
Speaker 1: then it just looked like it all went down the drain.
Speaker 1: So that's what the first trading part is, is, like,
Speaker 1: we know that this team completely better than they've shown
Speaker 1: these last six games, where it's hard to get too upset,
Speaker 1: at least for me, and where I'm maybe trying to
Speaker 1: take a step back and see the bigger picture here,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is part of me being that prospect
Speaker 1: guy and always kind of looking more towards the future.
Speaker 1: This is still a very young team and they're learning
Speaker 1: how to win games still. They've cleared a massive hurdle
Speaker 1: this season by just playing competitively. Now they have to
Speaker 1: learn how to win on the road. Now they have
Speaker 1: to learn how to overcome some of these slumps that
Speaker 1: players are going through. You know, the pitching we all
Speaker 1: know needs to be improved overall. The hitting hasn't been
Speaker 1: that big of an issue until recently. Now we're starting
Speaker 1: to see them slump a little more. How can they
Speaker 1: get over that? What adjustments can they make? Who's going
Speaker 1: to step up to kind of fill that void? Now?
Speaker 1: You know, we do have Kyle Teal maybe coming back
Speaker 1: as soon as tomorrow, that's kind of what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: But when you're seeing Colson Montgomery slump when you're not
Speaker 1: getting the production from Urracami because he's on the shelf.
Speaker 1: When you're just getting no production from the catcher position whatsoever,
Speaker 1: you have to rely on other people to step up,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it happen throughout the season, but recently
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that's happening. Part of that is
Speaker 1: just we have a really young team that's still learning
Speaker 1: how to win some of these games. So it is
Speaker 1: kind of growing pains. You are going to see some
Speaker 1: of those peaks and valleys, and I do think we
Speaker 1: need to take a bit of a step back and
Speaker 1: realize that that's where we're at and we are still
Speaker 1: very much ahead of where we're supposed to be right now.
Speaker 1: It is still frustrating because we've seen them play better.
Speaker 1: We know that they should be playing better and they
Speaker 1: need to get more consistent in that manner. But I
Speaker 1: am trying to still take that holistic picture here and
Speaker 1: be like, this is just part of how that incredibly
Speaker 1: young team and they just have to learn how to
Speaker 1: what they need to do to get past it. They're
Speaker 1: going to start to get healthier. It could just be
Speaker 1: a very short lived thing. We'll wait and see what happens.
Speaker 1: But I'm still optimistic about this team. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and say that the sky's falling because I
Speaker 1: really just don't think it is. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, those are all really good points by MICHAELA. I
Speaker 4: I agree with everything you said. I also would take
Speaker 4: it a bit further and say that the way they've
Speaker 4: been losing is maybe it's more frustrating to me than
Speaker 4: the fact that they're losing, because you said it well,
Speaker 4: you said that we've been complaining about the pitching all year,
Speaker 4: and the offense has done pretty good. But this week,
Speaker 4: at least the Detroit series, it was the offense that
Speaker 4: was failing more than the pitching. And I that's what's
Speaker 4: frustrating to me, is because the starting pitching in particular
Speaker 4: is what everyone myself included, has had a lot more
Speaker 4: concerned with for the rest of the season, the second
Speaker 4: half of the season, what's that going to look like?
Speaker 4: But this week in Detroit, the starters, I mean, I
Speaker 4: know one game was a bullpenne game, so it's hard
Speaker 4: to quantify that, but you know, Fetti and Davis Martin
Speaker 4: did their jobs, and the bullpen that opener Newcomb did
Speaker 4: his job on Saturday, and the offens just couldn't score runs.
Speaker 1: And what makes me.
Speaker 4: Feel a little bit better about it is that when
Speaker 4: Murakami first got injured, you know whatever, it was like
Speaker 4: three weeks ago, what I told myself is, this is
Speaker 4: what we're going to see. We're going to see a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, low scoring games that we probably
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been in without the injuries. To about him
Speaker 4: and Teal, I even said to my dad today, like,
Speaker 4: I think that the White Sofe would have won at
Speaker 4: least one of these last two games against the Tigers
Speaker 4: if Murakani were present. Instead of getting pretty much nothing
Speaker 4: out of you know, Jacob Gonzales or Ben and Tende,
Speaker 4: whoever you could argue was starting in his place that
Speaker 4: particular day, Murakami probably at least gets on base a
Speaker 4: couple of times, if not hit a home run or two.
Speaker 4: So I think that's where you're really missing him. It's
Speaker 4: still impressive with to me that they played as well
Speaker 4: as they did without him for so long. The offense,
Speaker 4: I should say, but you know, hopefully Teal is back
Speaker 4: this week at some point, and you start to kind
Speaker 4: of get get those guys back in the lineup because unfortunately,
Speaker 4: it's like one phase of the team gets better in
Speaker 4: this case is starting pitching, but their face steps back
Speaker 4: and you just really want to see it all clicking
Speaker 4: at the same time. And I think we still could
Speaker 4: get that, especially as the team gets healthier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with them coming back home, I'm hoping there's a
Speaker 3: little bit we continue to harp on the same things,
Speaker 3: like you have to do some roster churning, right, you
Speaker 3: have to continue to cycle through arms. They did it
Speaker 3: with Tyler Davis. I'm glad they finally flipped the switch
Speaker 3: like that. That was that was a ticking time bomb
Speaker 3: for a little bit there, and it finally blew up
Speaker 3: in their faces at the worst possible moment.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: Newcom is a guy that he's become incredibly valuable in
Speaker 3: like that two three inning roll.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they even stretch them ount a little
Speaker 2: bit further. They don't have.
Speaker 3: The problem is they don't have the luxury to do that,
Speaker 3: which is frustrating at this point, and I hope at
Speaker 3: some point they do find the luxury to do it.
Speaker 3: Those are just my initial thoughts, My most frustrating thing.
Speaker 3: And Nick, you tweeted about it. Why is Grant Taylor
Speaker 3: pitching once this week? I get there were some blow
Speaker 3: up games, right, like there was no expectation to pitch
Speaker 3: the first couple of games in New York, and even
Speaker 3: the third game was borderline. But you walked into a
Speaker 3: bullpen game against Detroit on Saturday that you said was
Speaker 3: a bullpen game and you didn't use your best reliever
Speaker 3: during that game. It's an insane oversight on my opinion,
Speaker 3: from my opinion, without knowing obviously who's available who's not.
Speaker 3: But then where you back yourself into a corner. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how either of you feel on this.
Speaker 3: When it comes to Taylor's usuage on Sunday with one
Speaker 3: inning versus two innings, I feel like that that came
Speaker 3: off to me as you know, we've got to play Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I might need him tomorrow, demingez can finish this game
Speaker 3: off versus winning the game that's right in front of
Speaker 3: you against the division rival. That's where I go back
Speaker 3: and forth on this week, because like, yes, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have weeks. As fans were like, these guys couldn't hit
Speaker 3: the broad side of a barn. And that's that's part
Speaker 3: of having the youngest team, one of the youngest teams
Speaker 3: in baseball. I what age twenty six average in the
Speaker 3: starting lineup. But Nick, to your point, it's how they're
Speaker 3: doing it at the same time, like that grand Taylor alone,
Speaker 3: it's inexcusable for how he was used the past couple
Speaker 3: of games in Detroit. I don't know that that's what
Speaker 3: I walked away most frustrated by. And Venville's postgen comments
Speaker 3: on Sunday didn't give much insight into it other than yeah,
Speaker 3: we felt good about Domingas in that spot. I don't
Speaker 3: know why you would, to be honest with you, given
Speaker 3: the recent track record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tailor thing. I mean, the only way I
Speaker 4: can think about irrationally is they must just not be
Speaker 4: prioritizing him being a starting pressure next season the way
Speaker 4: that they claimed they would, you know, heading into the season,
Speaker 4: because otherwise they would be using a lot more from
Speaker 4: multiple innings. And you could argue with today's a game
Speaker 4: that you know I started. I didn't watch the game,
Speaker 4: but at least was tracking pitch by pitch in the
Speaker 4: eighth and ninth and he was missing a lot, like
Speaker 4: he was falling behind hitters. Obviously keep up the home run,
Speaker 4: so he wasn't his normal self. But I look at
Speaker 4: that and I think, well, whose fault is that he
Speaker 4: hasn't pitched in a week. He's probably rusty, and he
Speaker 4: seemed to figure things out toward the end of that inning.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think more likely than not, do you
Speaker 4: send him out for that ninth, then you probably win
Speaker 4: that game. He probably gets to save. So that's what's
Speaker 4: frustrating to me, especially Saturday. I was watching Saturday, and
Speaker 4: as soon as Newcome left the game after the third inning,
Speaker 4: I was taking great, go to Taylor for four and five,
Speaker 4: maybe four five, six if you really want to get
Speaker 4: innings out of him, and then seven eight nine can
Speaker 4: be some combo of like Bryan Hudson, Domingaz, somebody else here.
Speaker 4: The bullpenp was pretty rested honestly heading into that game.
Speaker 4: The important guys, I should say, but they just didn't
Speaker 4: use them, And yeah, it's frustrating. It reminds me a
Speaker 4: lot of the way Kopek was handled. It was onently
Speaker 4: twenty one where he got innings out of the bullpen,
Speaker 4: but not nearly enough. There would be these long stretches
Speaker 4: where he just wouldn't pitch. The saving grace for him
Speaker 4: is he actually got a spot start here and there
Speaker 4: where he would throw five or six innings, and actually
Speaker 4: he was pretty good as a starter that year, just
Speaker 4: a limited run. The White's notn't really doing that with Taylor.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they will, but you know, we
Speaker 4: talk all the time about how this team needs to have,
Speaker 4: you know, someone step up in the starting rotation. You
Speaker 4: kind of have a perfect guy right there in Taylor
Speaker 4: who should maybe shouldn't be a start of the whole
Speaker 4: season because he doesn't have the you know, the staminar
Speaker 4: or whatever. But late in the season and dare I
Speaker 4: say playoffs, that's someone I want starting game. I just
Speaker 4: don't know if that's feasible at this point.
Speaker 2: But two things on that.
Speaker 3: Number One, they need to do it with somebody, and
Speaker 3: if they're not willing to do it with Taylor, Davis
Speaker 3: or not. Davis Newcome came into this season and they
Speaker 3: said he was going to compete for the starting or
Speaker 3: for the starting rotation. So you have a guy that
Speaker 3: has a history of being stretched out. Obviously was moved
Speaker 3: to the bullpen because the stuff played up better.
Speaker 2: I totally get it.
Speaker 3: But someone's got to do it right, Like, you have
Speaker 3: to be creative at some point, and that's been we've
Speaker 3: talked about that.
Speaker 2: That's my frustration. If you're going to overachieve.
Speaker 3: And you're going to do it in a way that
Speaker 3: is very Milwaukee esque or Tampa Bay esque or even
Speaker 3: Guardians ask you have to be willing to do things
Speaker 3: differently and do things that are a little created and
Speaker 3: they haven't done that yet. And it's this is where
Speaker 3: it comes back to bite them and the tailor thing. Yes,
Speaker 3: I agree, and probably part of the logic was, well,
Speaker 3: it didn't look good that first sitting. The devil you know,
Speaker 3: is still better than the one you don't, Right, you
Speaker 3: don't know what Dimingas has on any given day, but
Speaker 3: you know, hey, Taylor, even if he doesn't have his
Speaker 3: best stuff, I'll still take him against the bottom of
Speaker 3: that order, right Like that's I don't know. For me,
Speaker 3: it is so frustrating to have so few arms and
Speaker 3: such limited ways in which they're deploying them at the
Speaker 3: same time, and and it's the creativity element to me
Speaker 3: that I still still feel is lacking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I very much agree with that. I do wonder
Speaker 1: so I was just talking about how you know this
Speaker 1: this is a young team. There's going to be growing pains.
Speaker 1: I think they were scene there with the manager too.
Speaker 1: I think Will Bendable is still very an experienced manager.
Speaker 1: I think he's still kind of learning how to navigate
Speaker 1: a bullpen, and I think that is something that he
Speaker 1: really does need to work on. If not mid season,
Speaker 1: he's going to need to take a long look at
Speaker 1: how he managed this bullpen over the offseason and adjusts
Speaker 1: from there, because some of the decision making there is
Speaker 1: just head scratching, Like not pitching Grand Taylor let alone
Speaker 1: in an bullpen day when he is your best bullpen arm,
Speaker 1: but not pitching him for a full week. I just
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. And sure some of those games
Speaker 1: are out of reach anyways, but some of them were
Speaker 1: still up for the taking and the game just got
Speaker 1: blown wide open. So not using him at all and
Speaker 1: then coming back to only give him the eighth inning
Speaker 1: this game when he very easily could have taken the
Speaker 1: eighth and ninth ending. In my opinion, he was well rested,
Speaker 1: he was getting to nick your point, he was getting
Speaker 1: better throughout that inning, and yeah, it's going to happen
Speaker 1: if you don't pitch for a week straight, you're going
Speaker 1: to be a little there. So yeah, you're gonna make
Speaker 1: a few mistakes early on in that outing. But he
Speaker 1: adjusted he should have stayed out there for that night.
Speaker 1: I'm very firm on that. I don't know with Newcome.
Speaker 1: I do think that they feel like they have to
Speaker 1: keep him in the bullpen right now because they have
Speaker 1: so few reliable bullpen arms. I am curious if they
Speaker 1: do get in the position where they're adding, do they
Speaker 1: prioritize adding a starter or do they want to prioritize
Speaker 1: adding maybe relievers and then entertain stretching new Come out
Speaker 1: to get some more starts. I do wonder if, since
Speaker 1: I'm the prospect, I have to bring this up. I
Speaker 1: do wonder if the injuries to guys like Hagen Smith
Speaker 1: and Tanner McDougall maybe through a wrench in some of
Speaker 1: their plans. I feel like both of them were probably
Speaker 1: supposed to be up by now in the rotations, So
Speaker 1: I do feel like they just don't quite have the
Speaker 1: pitching depth that they thought they were going to have. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that can turn into one or both of those
Speaker 1: guys being the bullpen depth down the road. I've thought
Speaker 1: about the idea of maybe moving Tanner McDougal into the
Speaker 1: bullpen arm, but that's a discussion you can have later.
Speaker 1: But it just seems like something's off right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it is. Is it Will Benable
Speaker 1: learning how to manage his bullpen, Is it they don't
Speaker 1: have faith in the arms they have. It might honestly
Speaker 1: just be both, but it just it just doesn't look
Speaker 1: great right now.
Speaker 3: Here's my first hot take for the Evening and the
Speaker 3: little behind the scenes here. When we knew Duke wasn't
Speaker 3: being able to join because a Father's day, I told Michael,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, I want you to join,
Speaker 3: regardless of Duke can join, because I got a hot take.
Speaker 3: I want to go at here, and my hot take
Speaker 3: is and it's not even a hot take. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: like there's been so little criticism of Banister right now
Speaker 3: when this team needs reinforcements, there's just nobody coming.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna blame injuries on him, right like that. McDougall,
Speaker 3: Schultz Smith, fine, but like your three horses get hurt
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you can't pull anything like
Speaker 3: think of the guys who have contributed. Taylor, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: Tyler Davis, you picked him up and maybe you get
Speaker 3: something there. Hicks is the bullpen, but he was signed.
Speaker 3: Your best guys are veterans, Hudson and Newcome. Where's the
Speaker 3: rookie that comes and really lights it up. I know
Speaker 3: Ben Peebles isn't here. We talked about it. He's walking
Speaker 3: the ballpark, so that's probably part of it. Or Winkelming
Speaker 3: and Zalez has been hurt. I get that, but like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it still feels like there should be
Speaker 3: another arm or two somewhere, right, Like, what's the issue
Speaker 3: that they can't find a little bit of reinforcements to
Speaker 3: churn it? Why is any sort of churning of this
Speaker 3: roster have to be God, I hope somebody dropped Joe
Speaker 3: Rock on the waivers and we can pick him up
Speaker 3: like that seems like it should be a concern for me,
Speaker 3: not not the top end guys, because those guys take
Speaker 3: a while. We're the random twenty five twenty six year
Speaker 3: olds to come out of nowhere because you've you've done
Speaker 3: well on the development side. That that's a current concern
Speaker 3: of mine personally.
Speaker 1: That that's a great question. And I do think that
Speaker 1: Banister does this or some criticism on that, because we
Speaker 1: really haven't seen any sort of depth develop. To your point,
Speaker 1: you know, the one guy can think of as maybe
Speaker 1: that could be that guy is David Sandlin. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe I've always kind of thought that his arm would
Speaker 1: play up better in the bullpen. Anyways, I do kind
Speaker 1: of wonder maybe he's that guy. Well, see, I don't
Speaker 1: it's it is. It is frustrating. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: have the depth that we just thought we were going
Speaker 1: to have, and it is it's noticeable now we're not
Speaker 1: just not getting the level production that we should be
Speaker 1: from these guys and we're just Banister. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's identifying talent or if it's developing talent, but
Speaker 1: either way, we have to find something to keep us
Speaker 1: afloat for now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean with Banister, like, I listened to him
Speaker 4: talk about pitching for three minutes and I feel like
Speaker 4: an absolute more on So I don't want to come
Speaker 4: off as like some just some idiot's criticism and banished,
Speaker 4: but he knows so much more than I ever will
Speaker 4: about pitching. That being said, ever since I heard his
Speaker 4: justification for not letting Grant Taylor start last year. That's
Speaker 4: when I started thinking, Okay, like I understand that you're
Speaker 4: afraid he might get injured, Like that's a that's a
Speaker 4: valid concern, But he would have, you know, three to
Speaker 4: four times more value as a good starter then as
Speaker 4: a great closer. So why not at least let him
Speaker 4: start and then if he gets injured then you could say, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're a reliever now. Like it just feels like they're
Speaker 4: doing it backwards to me, and that's kind of I
Speaker 4: don't want to blame it all on Banister. I'm sure
Speaker 4: there's more than just just that going on, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that Ryan Fuller he's
Speaker 4: been doing on the hitting side is definitely a lot
Speaker 4: more impressive because we're seeing it at the major league level.
Speaker 4: We're seeing the results of it, whether it with Colson
Speaker 4: Montgomery or is somebody who might not be playing as
Speaker 4: well but has totally reinvented himself from Jacob Gonzalez and
Speaker 4: is actually a true like a real player now and
Speaker 4: not just you know, a bust from the draft like
Speaker 4: we thought what he was going to be. So I
Speaker 4: hope that this turns, and I think part of it
Speaker 4: is injuries, Like I do think that Gonzales being injured
Speaker 4: and McDougal being injured, I think they would both have
Speaker 4: been in the majors by now for sure had they
Speaker 4: not gotten hurt. But we'll still probably see them at
Speaker 4: some point this year, so hopefully sooner than later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's a I don't know nothing about
Speaker 3: baseball compared to the guys in the organization.
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 3: It's just it's frustrating to see this happening. And then
Speaker 3: I don't know, it would be nice to hear more
Speaker 3: from the pitching side of things in general. I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, I felt like I heard more or from
Speaker 3: Cats than I hear from both. Maybe it's just because
Speaker 3: he's new and things like that. I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: all new. It's all I don't want to distract from
Speaker 3: the major league team, which is still you got to
Speaker 3: play with. Like, there are games in this week that
Speaker 3: were winnable with the talent on both sides of the
Speaker 3: ball that are here.
Speaker 2: That's not the development problem.
Speaker 3: I personally think though, too, Like if I'm being objective
Speaker 3: about I and there might be some recency biases. I
Speaker 3: think today Sunday's game was objectively Will Venable's worst game
Speaker 3: as a manager, between not having Taylor for a second inning.
Speaker 3: One thing I don't think it's getting talked about enough
Speaker 3: is Edgar or not Edgar Luisan Helakunya still playing shortstop
Speaker 3: in the ninth inning when you had Vargas come in
Speaker 3: and pinch hit later in the game so he was available.
Speaker 3: So why isn't your best shortstop playing shortstop in the
Speaker 3: last inning. I feel like for someone who makes a
Speaker 3: ton of defensive replacements, that felt like an easy one,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it came back to bite him.
Speaker 3: Just Acuni's arm isn't as good as Montgomery's and that
Speaker 3: mattered on that last play straight up and the bullpen
Speaker 3: management in general. I didn't love his answer about why
Speaker 3: Martin only threw seventy five pitches. It was kind of
Speaker 3: like we had a conversation. We agreed it was for
Speaker 3: the best, but like, why was the stuff right there?
Speaker 3: We like the matchups better? Fine, just I didn't love
Speaker 3: the answer, but I'm not gonna blame him for pulling
Speaker 3: Martin early. It's whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It just didn't feel like a good end to a
Speaker 3: seat where it's like, hey, you're heading home to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: You've had a huge series coming up. It would have
Speaker 3: been nice to grab this one salvage the week, and
Speaker 3: they just didn't.
Speaker 2: And I meant too.
Speaker 3: Like the bunt of a Kunya Acunya falls off a
Speaker 3: butnt and then hits a two run bomb, like it's
Speaker 3: all those things.
Speaker 2: It's like you're overmanaging it.
Speaker 3: At some point is how I feel, And the bunting
Speaker 3: is where I feel that, and just stick with who
Speaker 3: you know and Taylor. I know you wouldn't have Taylor
Speaker 3: for Monday against the Guardians, but my tax might be
Speaker 3: up fifteen to nothing at this point tomorrow night, and
Speaker 3: you're not gonna use Taylor anyway. You plan for what
Speaker 3: you've got in front of you. And I felt like
Speaker 3: that game was so winnable. Obviously it was winnable, but
Speaker 3: it was so important to win it, and it was
Speaker 3: not coached that way. It was coach like, whatever, we
Speaker 3: lose this one. I think there's a general vibe. I
Speaker 3: feel like this show would have been different if they
Speaker 3: won this game and they were two and four, because like,
Speaker 3: all right, at least salvaged it. Listen shitty week, those
Speaker 3: are going to happen. You salvaged it, you didn't get swept.
Speaker 1: Move on.
Speaker 3: Now it's like you had the chance to do it,
Speaker 3: and I felt like the decisions directly influence the outcome.
Speaker 2: That's frustrating to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I definitely agree with that. And it's nice
Speaker 4: to be able. As we've said, it's not able to
Speaker 4: even have these I'm super frustrated by the manager's decisions
Speaker 4: instead of frustrated by, you know, some all time loss
Speaker 4: record or something stupid. But with Venable, I mean I
Speaker 4: will give him credit and that I think he's actually
Speaker 4: quite good when it comes to his strategy for the
Speaker 4: opener this year, as well as his strategy for changing
Speaker 4: the lineup based on handedness. I will say, though he's
Speaker 4: good with that, but sometimes he like doesn't read or
Speaker 4: doesn't care if the opposing picture has reversed splits and
Speaker 4: we'll just do the lefty ready stuff anyway. But other
Speaker 4: than that, like, it's still better than what we've seen
Speaker 4: in the past from Socks manager. So I do think
Speaker 4: that he to an extent, he gets it, and he
Speaker 4: puts his team in good positions before the game starts
Speaker 4: to win the game. It's once the game starts that
Speaker 4: I start, you know, with the bunting and the weird
Speaker 4: bullpun usage.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, And I don't like harping too much on bullpun
Speaker 4: usage because it's like half of the bullpen or hardly
Speaker 4: MLB arms in my opinion.
Speaker 1: So you can't really blame.
Speaker 4: Him for everything. But at the same time, I do
Speaker 4: think that there are things that could be improved, right,
Speaker 4: And I think it's fair to say were saying, so, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think one thing that I also want to touch on,
Speaker 3: and it's something actually row Dog three one two in
Speaker 3: the chat mentioned was Montgomery kind of the way he
Speaker 3: looks maybe he had just come back from sort of
Speaker 3: that back tweak or back ache whatever, and he had
Speaker 3: a brutal series, and he's had a couple of brutal
Speaker 3: series outside of that one game in New York with
Speaker 3: two homers. He's sitting like under two hundred in June.
Speaker 3: I don't know any lingering concerns for either of you
Speaker 3: about just injury potential or is it more so just hey,
Speaker 3: did you knew this was the type of player he
Speaker 3: was when you saw him posting those thirty percent strikeout rates.
Speaker 3: I tend that way to be honest with you, like
Speaker 3: you knew you were getting this type of player some weeks.
Speaker 3: But I don't know any potential concern about the lingering back.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could see why it might be a concern,
Speaker 1: Maybe there is something to it. I think he's just
Speaker 1: he's always going to be a streaky hitter. I think
Speaker 1: that's just who he is. There's gonna be stretches where
Speaker 1: he's just hitting bombs every other day, and there's gonna
Speaker 1: be stretches where he's striking out every other at bat
Speaker 1: and it's frustrating to watch. I think that's just who
Speaker 1: he is as a player, and I think he's good
Speaker 1: enough overall that you live with that, because he does
Speaker 1: add a lot offensively, especially when he's on, Plus the
Speaker 1: fact that he's such a good defensive shortstop that really
Speaker 1: for a lot of people came out of nowhere. I
Speaker 1: think it's just something you gotta live with. He is
Speaker 1: just going to go through these peaks and valleys, and
Speaker 1: when he's on, he is gonna look like a superstar shortstop,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to suffer through some of these stretches.
Speaker 1: He has had some back injuries that date back to
Speaker 1: his minor league career. So again, maybe there is something there,
Speaker 1: but I tend to agree with you, Jordan, I'm not
Speaker 1: too concerned. I just think that's more he's gonna have.
Speaker 1: He's just never going to be that consistent bet that
Speaker 1: some people want him to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you both. He's relying a lot
Speaker 4: more on guessing what the pitch is going to be,
Speaker 4: a lot more than some of his teammates might, at
Speaker 4: least based on what I've read from his approach. So
Speaker 4: I think that's why he might look it might look
Speaker 4: ugly when he's swinging and missing a lots. He's just
Speaker 4: getting out guessed a lot of the time. But the
Speaker 4: back injuries, I mean, somebody of his height, they're probably
Speaker 4: not going to ever fully go away. Like probably something
Speaker 4: has to manage throughout his career. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 4: that his career is going to end abruptly or anything
Speaker 4: like that, or doesn't have to mean that. And if
Speaker 4: you look at any at bat Montgomery's had in the
Speaker 4: majors since he came up, and you just like watch
Speaker 4: his mannerisms in between pitches, I feel like he's always
Speaker 4: has been kind of like you know, twitchy for lack
Speaker 4: of a better word, like kind of like Joey Gallo Escalmos.
Speaker 4: She's always like configuring things and like moving his back
Speaker 4: and rud ways. I don't know think it means he's
Speaker 4: injured necessarily, just kind of who he is. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's I've kind of just accepted this as
Speaker 4: the player that he is, and it's a very good player.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying like a bad thing. I think on
Speaker 4: an ideal version of this White Sox team that we
Speaker 4: talked about in the last episode or two, he's probably
Speaker 4: more of like the six hitter and you have TiO
Speaker 4: Murakami or both of them batting ahead of viments that
Speaker 4: have behind. But with all the injuries, he's kind of
Speaker 4: forced to be the guy right now along with Vargas,
Speaker 4: and it's just it's a lot when he's not, you know,
Speaker 4: on one of his hot streaks.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I think it's just we talked about this before the season.
Speaker 3: You need to understand the type of player you are
Speaker 3: are they are, each of them individually. I have two
Speaker 3: other things I want to discuss. One I want to
Speaker 3: throw out one more downer and then we'll throw some positives.
Speaker 3: We'll preview the week and then we'll talk through Socks charities.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try a new feature on this live stream.
Speaker 3: If I crash everything, I apologize in advance. I've been
Speaker 3: on this soapbox pretty much the entire year. I'm going
Speaker 3: to stay on it. With the Kyle Teal potential return,
Speaker 3: I honestly might be in a place where I would
Speaker 3: just complete change out the catching position. Romo gon Caro,
Speaker 3: gone bring up a Michael Turner. Michael, you and I
Speaker 3: actually talked about it. Maybe just bringing someone else from
Speaker 3: outside the org. Here's me getting on my.
Speaker 2: Soapbox real fast.
Speaker 3: Look at this For those who are viewing this after
Speaker 3: the Factor listening to it more so, I'm pulling up
Speaker 3: Edgar Carrow's abs challenges and the fact that he is
Speaker 3: the worst by a long shot in baseball at this
Speaker 3: There are pitches on here, and it came up, I
Speaker 3: think in the New York series, but it happened again
Speaker 3: on Sunday where he is just challenging pitches.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what did you think you saw when you
Speaker 2: challenge that?
Speaker 3: And it's kind of driving me nuts to the point
Speaker 3: where that Socks should have to rein it back in
Speaker 3: on him. If they're going to keep him around. Personally,
Speaker 3: I think he's really bad at knowing his own personally.
Speaker 3: There are a couple of these here I want to
Speaker 3: pull up. Particularly in three ball counts, are a few
Speaker 3: interesting ones. I'm like, all right, this ball here is
Speaker 3: almost three inches out of the zone. Okay, it's in
Speaker 3: the eighth inning. That one kind of makes sense, right,
Speaker 3: it's three to two, two nothing, game, kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3: You're in the eighth inning of a game. Sure, there's
Speaker 3: this one here in the second inning of a game.
Speaker 3: You're blowing a challenge in the second inning. You have
Speaker 3: just changed the trajectory of the next couple innings for
Speaker 3: this team. We saw it in New York with a
Speaker 3: Miguel Vargas strikeout. Felt like you couldn't challenge something that
Speaker 3: was three inches below the zone because the Socks only
Speaker 3: had one challenge left and it was like a fourth inning.
Speaker 2: Same thing here.
Speaker 3: The team's up six nothing, so it probably doesn't matter
Speaker 3: as much. But like some of these, and you can
Speaker 3: see all the black ones around here, I'll try and
Speaker 3: zoom it in a little bit for folks who are watching.
Speaker 3: All of the black ones are ones that were incorrect
Speaker 3: challenges essentially.
Speaker 2: What are you doing on some of these dude?
Speaker 3: Like some of these are so bad and it drives
Speaker 3: me nuts when I watch it on the game games.
Speaker 3: The frustrating thing Romo is the opposite. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: would you challenge a couple pitches? I do either of
Speaker 3: you know the strike zone? And it's kind of frustrating
Speaker 3: to me. The funny thing is on the flip side
Speaker 3: of it, Caro has challenged. Let me actually see, if
Speaker 3: you guys know this, how many challenges do you think
Speaker 3: Caro's had as a hitter this year?
Speaker 1: Not many. I don't recall seeing him challenge much at
Speaker 1: all as a hitter, so I don't know the number,
Speaker 1: but I imagine it's pretty small.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: He has challenged one all year. So it's like, do
Speaker 3: you not trust yourself? Do the socks not trust.
Speaker 2: You to challenge?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is the issue?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure that out.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to get on a guy who's
Speaker 3: already struggling offensively. But if you're not providing offensive value,
Speaker 3: you've got to provide defense value. And if you're doing neither,
Speaker 3: let's go let him figure it out. Charlotte Teal's gonna
Speaker 3: play five out of six games a week. Even if
Speaker 3: you leave Romo at the big league level, he can
Speaker 3: figure that out. Or you can bring up a Michael
Speaker 3: Turner who's i know, twenty seven years old, so it's
Speaker 3: not really a prospect, but you can have someone just
Speaker 3: catch or you can cycle through it. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's it's frustrating to me. And if we're gonna be
Speaker 3: venting a little bit on this show, I'm gonna add
Speaker 3: that to my list before we get into the positives.
Speaker 3: That's just another one of the recent frustrations of mind
Speaker 3: watching these games and seeing more so not not the
Speaker 3: call itself, but the downstream effects of it. For fifth, sixth,
Speaker 3: eighth inning on when it's like there are just some
Speaker 3: things that happened because of a second inning, dumb challenge,
Speaker 3: And I think it's starting to frustrate me personally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so. It's hard for me because I was
Speaker 1: a big Caro fan coming up in the minors. I
Speaker 1: still think there's a lot to like about his game.
Speaker 1: We haven't really seen it this year, but I think
Speaker 1: he showed a lot of flashes last year and I
Speaker 1: think there's still a starting caliber catcher in there. Somewhere
Speaker 1: with him. It has been so frustrating to watch him
Speaker 1: manage to strike something from behind the plate some of
Speaker 1: those challenges, Like you didn't even need to bring up
Speaker 1: the visuals, like we all know, like it's been so frustrating,
Speaker 1: but like just seeing how bad it's been just makes
Speaker 1: it so much worse. And it is to the point
Speaker 1: where he's not I mean, he's a negative warplayer right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe he does need to reset in minors in somewhere
Speaker 1: in or go down to Charlotte work on some things.
Speaker 1: I was actually when the Blue Jays dfa Tyler Heineman,
Speaker 1: I was hoping that they put an a claim there
Speaker 1: just because, I mean, god awful at the plate. I
Speaker 1: think he has like a fifteen WRC plus this year,
Speaker 1: which is atrocious. But despite being so bad at the plate,
Speaker 1: he still was had a positive f war That shows
Speaker 1: you how good he's been defensively. That's the type of
Speaker 1: guy I wouldn't mind bringing in, especially with Teal coming back,
Speaker 1: just someone that you know can manage things behind the plate,
Speaker 1: especially with the young pitching staff, and just with the
Speaker 1: issues we've had with Balden strike challenges this year. It
Speaker 1: would have been nice to bring someone like that in.
Speaker 1: I don't hate the idea of Michael Turner either. He's
Speaker 1: been hitting pretty well on triple A. I think he's
Speaker 1: got around a nine hundred ops. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a real emobig player in there, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: worth finding out. But I do think that a reset
Speaker 1: could do Caro some good. I'm personally not too sold
Speaker 1: on Romo sticking around much either. I think he's got
Speaker 1: some options to so you could send him down as well.
Speaker 1: But I kind of agree with you. I wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: seeing a complete reset at that position because we've just
Speaker 1: gotten nothing at that position this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. The frustrating thing
Speaker 4: for me with Caro is I'm seeing, even if the
Speaker 4: numbers aren't good, I'm seeing some growth on offense that
Speaker 4: I feel like because that quality of his that bats
Speaker 4: have gotten better since April. He's hitting them all harder.
Speaker 4: He's had a lot of tough luck outs in the
Speaker 4: last few weeks. I can see some growth, even if
Speaker 4: it's not a lot. But on defense, I agree that
Speaker 4: I've seen no growth. I've seen you know, the challengesu
Speaker 4: as you've seen, and it's Also, I don't want to
Speaker 4: throw everything at Venable's feet, but it might be aventable
Speaker 4: issue or a coaching staff issue too, where the team
Speaker 4: will have one challenge left. It'll be at the sixth
Speaker 4: or seven of the name, and there'll be a strike
Speaker 4: called on like a Vargas or of Montgomery that's like
Speaker 4: four inches out of the zone and sometimes for strike three,
Speaker 4: and they won't challenge it because they only have one left.
Speaker 4: And it's like, that's why you saved the one, Like, sure,
Speaker 4: it's not the ninth inning yet, but that's such an
Speaker 4: egregiously bad call.
Speaker 1: You have to use it.
Speaker 4: There and they don't. I don't know why, And yes,
Speaker 4: part of its Carrol's fault for wasting it in the
Speaker 4: second mean, but also it's like it's not like you
Speaker 4: have zero left, Like if you're wrong about a pitch
Speaker 4: that you think is four inches outside the zone, then
Speaker 4: you got to recalibrate as a hitter because you really
Speaker 4: don't know the zone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a valid point too there. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the strategy is behind the scenes for who's using
Speaker 3: the sacs.
Speaker 2: Don't challenge a ton.
Speaker 3: There are a few hitters who challenge it, but they
Speaker 3: don't spread it out. I think for me, the only
Speaker 3: benefit to Romo is like if you just you are
Speaker 3: swinging for the fences every single time, and that's it.
Speaker 3: That's the benefit for him and Caro. I agree Nick,
Speaker 3: like the bats are better, but are they gonna stay
Speaker 3: good if you're hitting twice a week once Teal comes back,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think some sort of reset with
Speaker 3: maybe Fuller more directly might be helpful for him, because
Speaker 3: You're right, Michael, there's talent there. This isn't a bad
Speaker 3: baseball player. It's just it's not working right now, and
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to work any better once
Speaker 3: he becomes more of a part time player than he
Speaker 3: already is. I did say would get to some positives,
Speaker 3: so I will name the two. Duke's not here to
Speaker 3: talk about how good Andrew ben and Tendi has been
Speaker 3: since Markami went down, specifically that's been a huge boost
Speaker 3: to this team.
Speaker 2: And Louis an Helico. This is Duke just.
Speaker 3: Missing the chance. His two big guy Andrew Benintendi and
Speaker 3: Luis aan Helakunya. I have positive things to say about
Speaker 3: how they've both been doing. I think Akunya is like
Speaker 3: over four hundred in June right now, there have been
Speaker 3: some positive things from the two of them that have
Speaker 3: really helped keep this afloat, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: worth at least mentioning both of those guys. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have any specific thoughts either of you,
Speaker 3: but at least two guys who get a lot of
Speaker 3: crap for me specifically that earned their flowers.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's funny. You look at Ben
Speaker 4: and Tendi's stats since Murakami got hurt, and it's basically
Speaker 4: Murakami's stats, like he's basically became Munataka for three weeks
Speaker 4: or whatever. And I think the Detroit series is a
Speaker 4: bit more rough for Ben and Tendi as well as
Speaker 4: the whole offense, to be fair, So I'm hoping that
Speaker 4: he's able to continue, you know, impersonating Murakami. But it
Speaker 4: is funny, like the correlation. I mean, he was he
Speaker 4: was decent in May two, to be fair, but he's
Speaker 4: really stepped up when the team meeting him. So I
Speaker 4: do agree with you.
Speaker 1: Every time Ben Intendi it's a bomb, mel I have
Speaker 1: to tag Duke Gnox and you'll play that damn video
Speaker 1: because I just know he's thrilled. It is great to
Speaker 1: see him. I know, the dumbest thing. It's the dumbest thing.
Speaker 3: But it is good to see some of the turnaround
Speaker 3: there and it'll be things we look at as we
Speaker 3: head into next week. Which is one of the other
Speaker 3: things I want to talk about before we talk about
Speaker 3: SOX charities. Is the likely matchups for this Guardian series
Speaker 3: Anthony k Versus Gavin Williams, Sean Burke, Parker Messic, Eric Fetti,
Speaker 3: Tanner Biby as the matchups.
Speaker 2: I will just say this, is it a must win series?
Speaker 3: Six out of the next thirteen games I think are
Speaker 3: with Cleveland, so you've got two series with them in
Speaker 3: the next four series. Is it a must win series
Speaker 3: or do you feel like they're still going to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you drop one or if you drop two and
Speaker 3: only get one fine. Again, it comes back to our
Speaker 3: initial thing of like where our expectations still, like where
Speaker 3: do you fall on what people will say is the
Speaker 3: biggest series so far this year for the Socks.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not going to say this series is
Speaker 1: must win, but I think over the next two series,
Speaker 1: I think they at least have to go three and
Speaker 1: three with them. I think they have to stay afloat
Speaker 1: with Cleveland. That's my personal opinion. I think obviously winning
Speaker 1: the series would be a huge boost, and I think
Speaker 1: that would carry some momentum. I don't think in June
Speaker 1: it's the end all be all for this team. I
Speaker 1: would say it's more important to at least be competitive
Speaker 1: with them right now and again just overall try to
Speaker 1: win three of those next six games against them, because
Speaker 1: you just want to make sure that you're not giving
Speaker 1: them an insurmountable lead at this point. So just stay
Speaker 1: in there for now and get healthy. Maybe add at
Speaker 1: the deadline and you can really just make sure that
Speaker 1: it's within reach. That way, you can make up some
Speaker 1: ground later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if the White Sox go five hundred against the
Speaker 4: Guardians this year, I'll feel fairly good about their playoff
Speaker 4: chances because I have more faith in the White Sox
Speaker 4: beating non Guardians teams and the Guardians the beating non
Speaker 4: White Sox teams solely because of the injuries that have
Speaker 4: been piling up for the Guardians. I mean, they've just
Speaker 4: lost basically or three other four best hitters with you know,
Speaker 4: decently serious injuries, like you know, four plus weeks At
Speaker 4: the same time, the White Socks are waiting teal back.
Speaker 4: They're hopefully getting more coming back soon. So like for
Speaker 4: the next month or two, I feel that the White
Speaker 4: Sox are in a decent position, especially with the schedule
Speaker 4: now getting easier. Although clearly it didn't matter this weekend.
Speaker 4: So to me, what's more important is not the results
Speaker 4: of these next three games, but how they play. Kind
Speaker 4: of similar to what we were talking about. Are they
Speaker 4: losing a one run game where Venable's decisions seem fine,
Speaker 4: just getting out played and it's like a four to
Speaker 4: three loss, Like I can probably live with that. Are
Speaker 4: they getting blown out at home by Fleeveland like they
Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty two when we were in a
Speaker 4: division race. Okay, then I'm probably out on this team.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna depend like how they play.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Chris gets is probably in there thinking the
Speaker 3: same thing, like how much am I willing to invest
Speaker 3: in this team? Like it's not gonna be a lot
Speaker 3: either way, but are you getting anything or are we
Speaker 3: moving on from guys? Like It's not a must win
Speaker 3: series by any stretch in my mind, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: learn a lot about this team over the next thirteen
Speaker 3: games when you got to play them six of them, Like,
Speaker 3: can you hang with the way they play? The style
Speaker 3: they play because they're hurt too, Like you can't blame
Speaker 3: injuries when they're best hitter or their top three hitters
Speaker 3: are gonna be out for at least part of this series,
Speaker 3: if not the full series, Like, you can't blame that.
Speaker 2: You're they're dealing with it too, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's not must win for me, but you're gonna learn
Speaker 3: a lot about this team. In my mind, the good
Speaker 3: news is they're starting at home and you can hopefully
Speaker 3: get a reset. The bad news is and you're still
Speaker 3: trying to figure out whither fifteen and twenty five on
Speaker 3: the road, Like that's a prop and they're going to
Speaker 3: need to figure that out fast, especially once you got
Speaker 3: to start going to Cleveland before those games, because you
Speaker 3: want to talk about the Cleveland Devil magic. That place
Speaker 3: is full of it. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3: But yea, I think we're all kind of on the
Speaker 3: same page with not must win, But you're getting there
Speaker 3: if you want to, if you want this team to
Speaker 3: add at the deadline, you're getting close to that sort
Speaker 3: of magical mark, so we'll see what happens. Probably, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, the most important thing that's going to come
Speaker 3: out of this series with Cleveland is White Sox Charity's
Speaker 3: Day on Tuesday, June twenty third. For those of you
Speaker 3: that are watching either live or afterwards, here is the
Speaker 3: shirt as part of that competition. Your live model right
Speaker 3: here and my like I'm trying to make sure my
Speaker 3: low name doesn't cover it. We've got so for those
Speaker 3: who don't know kind of the story behind it. The
Speaker 3: White Sox designed shirts for from the one to eight
Speaker 3: locked on socks and us, and we'll be competing in
Speaker 3: that competition of who can sell the most shirts on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Ours is obviously much more of an homage to the
Speaker 3: name of our our blog, just the thirty fifth and
Speaker 3: shield sign, things like that coolpin stripes in the background,
Speaker 3: and of course our logo. I do want to announce
Speaker 3: that we will be as part of it. We are
Speaker 3: allowed to pick a charity of our choice to if
Speaker 3: we sell the most T shirts, the White Sox will
Speaker 3: make and White Sox Chaeres will make a five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars donation to the charity of our choice. We have
Speaker 3: chosen the Pierce Foundation. It's it's a Southside Chicago based
Speaker 3: foundation that supports pediatric cancer and families going through our
Speaker 3: families with children facing childhood cancer. They have been in
Speaker 3: business for over twenty years now, doing a lot of
Speaker 3: great work. I was actually just at their charity golf
Speaker 3: outing over this weekend and got to talk with Peggy Pierce,
Speaker 3: who is their executive director, and we will have kind
Speaker 3: of a short interview piece coming out this week, so
Speaker 3: look out for that for more information on them. I
Speaker 3: have a saft spot for this foundation in general. I
Speaker 3: know the folks there very very well, and I've gotten
Speaker 3: to know them more. I help out with a lot
Speaker 3: of their marketing tools as well. They're great people. They
Speaker 3: do a lot of great work for kids who are
Speaker 3: experiencing cancer. They work very closely with with with what's
Speaker 3: called Camp One Step, who helps to put together a
Speaker 3: camp for kids who are experiencing cancer that they can
Speaker 3: just feel like a kid for a weekend or a
Speaker 3: week and I think it's a really really cool thing
Speaker 3: that everyone part that is a part of it does.
Speaker 3: You can find out more at the Peersfoundation dot org.
Speaker 3: We will have a lot more information in the next
Speaker 3: couple of days to come, but wanted to announce that
Speaker 3: wanted to model the shirt for everyone. I think it's
Speaker 3: a cool shirt just for White Sox fan in general
Speaker 3: to wear on a day to day basis with the
Speaker 3: street signs and everything. But again, that's Tuesday, the twenty
Speaker 3: third against the Guardians. It's a six forty game. I
Speaker 3: believe once the game starts, t shirt sales are opened
Speaker 3: throughout the course of the game. So you can go
Speaker 3: to the White Sox Charity's Day website and click to
Speaker 3: go through and purchase one of our shirts. They are
Speaker 3: twenty five dollars each. All proceeds go towards White Sox Charities.
Speaker 3: And then, excuse me, if we sell the most shirts
Speaker 3: among us from the one oh eight and Lockdown socks,
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars would go from White Sox Charities to
Speaker 3: the Peers Foundation. So we're very grateful to Peggy and
Speaker 3: everyone at the Peers Foundation for allowing us to support
Speaker 3: them in this way. I know they're very, very excited
Speaker 3: about this, and we're all really hoping it works out.
Speaker 3: So for those of you tuning in, like I said,
Speaker 3: we would really appreciate your support here and We're looking
Speaker 3: forward to the competition. No matter what, it's going to
Speaker 3: be a fun day at the ballpark for us.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, we're really looking forward to it. I
Speaker 4: agree with Jordan that, you know, that's such a great cause,
Speaker 4: and I really do, like I try to be objective
Speaker 4: as possible about it, but I really do think our
Speaker 4: T shirt is like the best looking one. Like, no
Speaker 4: disrespect to the other pages that are involved in this,
Speaker 4: of course, but I just like our T shirt with
Speaker 4: the most so I hope you all agree. But either way,
Speaker 4: it's all going to a good cause. If you want
Speaker 4: to buy any T shirt you want, ultimately we just
Speaker 4: would prefer it be ours. So yeah, I'm really looking
Speaker 4: forward to Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Jordan Nick already hit on it. But
Speaker 1: this is such a good cause, and I agree. I
Speaker 1: think our T shirts are freaking awesome. No disrespect to
Speaker 1: the one O eight guys and to Lockdown Socks, I
Speaker 1: think they did a great job as well. Ours are
Speaker 1: definitely better, but that's just me. But no, this is
Speaker 1: such a great opportunity to be working with the socks
Speaker 1: for such a good cause, So regardless of whose shirts
Speaker 1: you're buying, should be ours. But regardless of whose shirt
Speaker 1: you're buying, it's it's all for a great cause and
Speaker 1: just please please donate and help out where you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure to buy a shirt.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Like I said, everything goes towards White Snacks, Sherry's.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna buy a shirt, might as well
Speaker 3: make it ours, right Like again, definitely thirty.
Speaker 2: Fifth and shield sign.
Speaker 3: You got our logo, says Socks on thirty fifth again
Speaker 3: to an average fan who might just ask you what
Speaker 3: it all is, like, Hey, Socks thirty fifth, the ones
Speaker 3: that play on the South. It's very easy to talk about.
Speaker 3: But we really appreciate any and all support that we
Speaker 3: get for this. But it goes towards a good cause
Speaker 3: and that's what's most important. But with that, I think
Speaker 3: that's everything for this episode, Episode to one seventeen of
Speaker 3: the Socks on thirty fifth podcast. Thanks to everyone who
Speaker 3: tuned in live on YouTube. Nick and Michael, Thank you
Speaker 3: to you both, and Michael once again, Happy Father's Day
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: So thank you again to everyone for listening.
Speaker 3: Be sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple, Spotify,
Speaker 3: especially YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts. Socks at saxs
Speaker 3: on thirty fifth is social media handle for Twitter, Facebook,
Speaker 3: and Instagram, and sachs on thirty fifth dot com is
Speaker 3: the website. I also dropped in the chat the website
Speaker 3: for the Peers Foundation if you'd like to check out
Speaker 3: more before Tuesday. But once again, very very excited for
Speaker 3: all of that. So for Nick Owain, Michael Sparrow, this
Speaker 3: is joining zastly signing off, Take care of everyone, enjoy
Speaker 3: your week. We'll talk with you at Tuesday on the
Speaker 3: ball on Tuesday at the Ballpark if you're there, or
Speaker 3: next week when we have another podcast episode.
Speaker 2: So until then, thanks a is always for your support
Speaker 2: and go White Sox
Speaker 1: Ghost ups, Happy Father's Day and go Socks.