WEBVTT - Will The Full Mueller Report Change Minds? Devlin Barrett talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>They may very well not have been evidence beyond a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable doubt of criminal conspiracy with the Russians, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was in plain sight open collusion with the Russians. I

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee you, except the little quibbles. I'm not worried about

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<v Speaker 1>the report at all. So that was Jerry Nadler is

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<v Speaker 1>running them, the committee that's gonna look at all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and wants to get ahold of the Muller Report.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was Rudy Giuliani, Trump's lawyer saying, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>worried about it. Oh boy, I hope the Muller Report

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<v Speaker 1>thing was over. So it's not even close to over.

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<v Speaker 1>Devilin Parrott is Washington Post reporter. He focuses on national

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<v Speaker 1>security and law enforcement and joins us now to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the Muller Report, the redactions, etcetera. Devilon, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great? How are you? Guys? We're all going to die?

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<v Speaker 1>What's all going to die someday? Still discussing this. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I think it's going to happen. Well, it's now, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>are you suggesting that this will kill us? It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>play a role. So yeah, listen, the the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>what's redacted and by whom Devlin, I guess people are

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<v Speaker 1>are drawn upsides and already yelling at each other preemptively. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's that wonderful time in Washington when people argue

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<v Speaker 1>about a document they haven't seen and about things that

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<v Speaker 1>they about, you know, redactions that haven't been made yet. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know there's there's a complicated legal process that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. But because it's taking time, and because there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much suspicion already in the water about this process,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're already seeing people take shots and try

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<v Speaker 1>to get their licks in before the documents even out there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the interview with Jerry Nadler and the committee

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<v Speaker 1>chair yesterday, and he more or less stated he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>trust the Attorney General or believe him. So that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we are, right, Yeah, And that's that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge of this whole environment in that you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>much has been reported on this, so much has been

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<v Speaker 1>speculated on this, and look, it's obviously a political argument

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways more so than it is even a

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<v Speaker 1>legal argument. So people are going to What you're already

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<v Speaker 1>seeing is people are already you know, sort of deciding

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<v Speaker 1>what they think the report will mean to them and

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<v Speaker 1>to their view of the world, into their view of

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<v Speaker 1>the president. You know what I'd like to know. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if behind the scenes Democrats would love a heavily

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<v Speaker 1>redacted report. You can scream and yell that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get we want it all out, no redactions. But

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<v Speaker 1>the more the more redactions there are, if there are

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<v Speaker 1>any pages with full paragraphs redacted, then you get to

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<v Speaker 1>make up or or or claim all kinds of stuff. Politically,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that'd be helpful to them. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's definitely a political calculation for which that could be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a very manageable situation. For example, for the Democrats. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because because look at the top line is probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to change from all this right that, um, no

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<v Speaker 1>one else is getting charged and no one else is

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<v Speaker 1>getting accused of a crime. Well, then do we ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>end up with because there will be redactions. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be a lots of redactions. The American public probably

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<v Speaker 1>won't ever see the some of the redacted parts, So politically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, d S will be able to claim me

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the good stuff, that's the stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna you know, put Trump and and and and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in jail and then so so voters will be in

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<v Speaker 1>the same spot they were before, the voters that either

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<v Speaker 1>hated Trump or liked Trump. Yeah, but I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, I don't know that that would depend on

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<v Speaker 1>the redactions at all. You know, I could see a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario where they released, in theory, a completely unredacted report,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's also doesn't move voters much in either direction.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean probably. I recall, not not to give anyone PTSD,

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<v Speaker 1>but I recall covering, you know, five report on the

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton email investigation. And the thing about five reports is

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<v Speaker 1>each side can take one pages that they like the

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<v Speaker 1>most and say, well, this is the part of the

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<v Speaker 1>report that I care about, and this proves what I

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<v Speaker 1>already believe. Um, I think in political terms, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with four pages in the in the Muller report, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's probably gonna be politically plenty of material for

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<v Speaker 1>both sides to work with. Devlin Barrett is a Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post reporter focuses on national security and law enforcement, and

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<v Speaker 1>devil and I heard already this morning. I mean, never

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<v Speaker 1>mind the politicians making their their broad statements but they've

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<v Speaker 1>sent forth their surrogates to make arguments on cable news

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<v Speaker 1>which have varying levels of accuracy and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the waters are so clouded. I think we get

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<v Speaker 1>that result where Americans pretty much end up thinking what

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<v Speaker 1>they thought before, right. And I think the question is

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances of this report changes folks minds,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you think about how many people you know

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<v Speaker 1>already have pretty strong opinions about Trump one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Um. And you know to the degree that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a group in the middle who are willing

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<v Speaker 1>to genuinely, you know, ponder this and and read the

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<v Speaker 1>stories and read maybe even read the report to think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Um, that's probably a small slice of the population. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder about that too, because Nadler was talking, the

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<v Speaker 1>committee chair was talking a lot about the Trump Tower meeting. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the public knows that happened, and some people

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<v Speaker 1>are bothered by it and some people aren't. You, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, I'm not sure how many people's opinions will

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<v Speaker 1>be changed with more detail. So, Devlin, are you following

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<v Speaker 1>it all the the other side of the coin? How

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation got started in the are you following anything

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<v Speaker 1>with the Russian born grad student at Cambridge and the

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Flynn's story and all of that. Is that across

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<v Speaker 1>your rate? Are you? Oh? Sure? I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously part of the reporting, and there is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the other things that's in the works, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and inside the Great Years of government is there is

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<v Speaker 1>an internal review still ongoing into how the Russian investigation

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<v Speaker 1>began and how surveillance authority was used. But we're I'm

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<v Speaker 1>told we're months away from that becoming that report being issued.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Mueller going to talk to anybody at any point?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he'll be on being interviewed by Oprah

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody sixty minutes? That certainly isn't the way he

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<v Speaker 1>is wired. However, a lot of lawmakers on the Hill

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<v Speaker 1>has said they want to subpoena him, and they want

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<v Speaker 1>him to testify the Congress. I can't imagine a universe

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<v Speaker 1>in which Bob Mueller Duck's of subpoena. Um, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think you could see that. I think that'd be open

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<v Speaker 1>where we watch it. Oh yeah, I mean, and that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a big show. That'll be That'll be as big

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<v Speaker 1>as the Kavanaugh hearings that'll be huge ratings. It probably would.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, he's a very um uh, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>very tight lipped guy. I don't know that his answers

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<v Speaker 1>may necessarily and you know, be that enlightening to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time. But he takes his job seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he takes his responsibility serious. So I

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<v Speaker 1>do expect that will probably happen at some point. My

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<v Speaker 1>final question for Devlin Barrett to the Washington Post. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you understand you fully comprehend that there are five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five days uti the election. Um, I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to say, not my problem. We're actually keeping We're

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<v Speaker 1>actually keeping the number on a white board in here

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<v Speaker 1>to remind us every single day. Yeah. Well, good luck

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<v Speaker 1>with that, guys. I'm just going to stick to the

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<v Speaker 1>simple or easier questions of the fbhin the Justice Department. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there you go, keeping it simple, Devlin Bear to

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<v Speaker 1>the Wappo. Devlin's always a pleasure. Thanks a Milian, well

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<v Speaker 1>done talking to Thank you. I'm not trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>whole helmet too much. I don't think or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just is any is any gonna how many voters

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<v Speaker 1>in America will be moved any direction when this comes out, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be many, even very very few, just as

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<v Speaker 1>Devilon pointed out, because the top line will surely not change.

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<v Speaker 1>So if Trump, out of peak, out of anger and

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<v Speaker 1>annoyance it the Russian investigation did some stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>obstruction of justice. C especially as a guy who's moving

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<v Speaker 1>from the private corporate world into the world a government,

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<v Speaker 1>or he didn't quite understand, you know, how the levers work.

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<v Speaker 1>I could easily picture that. In fact, I'll be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if there isn't stuff like that. But to Trump supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, okay, yeah, so he probably shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>told Comey dropped the Finn Flynn thing because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. But does it feel like a threat to

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<v Speaker 1>the republic? No, not really. And you know, folks on

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<v Speaker 1>the left will see, yeah, they met with that Russian

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<v Speaker 1>chick because she offered some dirt on Hillary. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>collusion or conspiracy or or what is it? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows it's But did he join with the Russian government?

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<v Speaker 1>Did don JR. Join with the Russian government in an

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<v Speaker 1>organized plot to do X Y or Z? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's just gonna be you know, loads and loads

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<v Speaker 1>of IA. The Beholder