1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: They may very well not have been evidence beyond a 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt of criminal conspiracy with the Russians, but there 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: was in plain sight open collusion with the Russians. I 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: guarantee you, except the little quibbles. I'm not worried about 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: the report at all. So that was Jerry Nadler is 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: running them, the committee that's gonna look at all this 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: stuff and wants to get ahold of the Muller Report. 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: And that was Rudy Giuliani, Trump's lawyer saying, I'm not 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: worried about it. Oh boy, I hope the Muller Report 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: thing was over. So it's not even close to over. 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Devilin Parrott is Washington Post reporter. He focuses on national 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: security and law enforcement and joins us now to discuss 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: the Muller Report, the redactions, etcetera. Devilon, how are you? 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm great? How are you? Guys? We're all going to die? 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: What's all going to die someday? Still discussing this. That's 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: what I think it's going to happen. Well, it's now, Jack, 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: are you suggesting that this will kill us? It's gonna 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: play a role. So yeah, listen, the the idea of 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: what's redacted and by whom Devlin, I guess people are 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: are drawn upsides and already yelling at each other preemptively. Right. 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: It's it's that wonderful time in Washington when people argue 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: about a document they haven't seen and about things that 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: they about, you know, redactions that haven't been made yet. Um. 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: So you know there's there's a complicated legal process that's 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: going on. But because it's taking time, and because there's 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: so much suspicion already in the water about this process, 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, you're already seeing people take shots and try 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: to get their licks in before the documents even out there. Well, 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: I watched the interview with Jerry Nadler and the committee 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: chair yesterday, and he more or less stated he doesn't 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: trust the Attorney General or believe him. So that's where 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: we are, right, Yeah, And that's that's part of the 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: challenge of this whole environment in that you know, so 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: much has been reported on this, so much has been 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: speculated on this, and look, it's obviously a political argument 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: in some ways more so than it is even a 37 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: legal argument. So people are going to What you're already 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: seeing is people are already you know, sort of deciding 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: what they think the report will mean to them and 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to their view of the world, into their view of 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the president. You know what I'd like to know. I 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: wonder if behind the scenes Democrats would love a heavily 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: redacted report. You can scream and yell that you want 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: to get we want it all out, no redactions. But 45 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: the more the more redactions there are, if there are 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: any pages with full paragraphs redacted, then you get to 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: make up or or or claim all kinds of stuff. Politically, 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I think that'd be helpful to them. I think I 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: think there's definitely a political calculation for which that could be, 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, a very manageable situation. For example, for the Democrats. Um, 51 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: because because look at the top line is probably not 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: going to change from all this right that, um, no 53 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: one else is getting charged and no one else is 54 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: getting accused of a crime. Well, then do we ultimately 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: end up with because there will be redactions. I think 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: there'll be a lots of redactions. The American public probably 57 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: won't ever see the some of the redacted parts, So politically, 58 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, d S will be able to claim me 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: and that's the good stuff, that's the stuff that was 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna you know, put Trump and and and and everybody 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: in jail and then so so voters will be in 62 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: the same spot they were before, the voters that either 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: hated Trump or liked Trump. Yeah, but I mean, I'll 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know that that would depend on 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the redactions at all. You know, I could see a 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: scenario where they released, in theory, a completely unredacted report, 67 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: and that's also doesn't move voters much in either direction. 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean probably. I recall, not not to give anyone PTSD, 69 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: but I recall covering, you know, five report on the 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Clinton email investigation. And the thing about five reports is 71 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: each side can take one pages that they like the 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: most and say, well, this is the part of the 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: report that I care about, and this proves what I 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: already believe. Um, I think in political terms, uh, you know, 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: with four pages in the in the Muller report, I 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: think there's probably gonna be politically plenty of material for 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: both sides to work with. Devlin Barrett is a Washington 78 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: Post reporter focuses on national security and law enforcement, and 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: devil and I heard already this morning. I mean, never 80 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: mind the politicians making their their broad statements but they've 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: sent forth their surrogates to make arguments on cable news 82 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: which have varying levels of accuracy and the rest of it. 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: So the waters are so clouded. I think we get 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: that result where Americans pretty much end up thinking what 85 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: they thought before, right. And I think the question is 86 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: what are the chances of this report changes folks minds, 87 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: especially when you think about how many people you know 88 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: already have pretty strong opinions about Trump one way or 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: the other. Um. And you know to the degree that 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: there is a group in the middle who are willing 91 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: to genuinely, you know, ponder this and and read the 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: stories and read maybe even read the report to think 93 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: about it. Um, that's probably a small slice of the population. Yeah, 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: I wonder about that too, because Nadler was talking, the 95 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: committee chair was talking a lot about the Trump Tower meeting. Right. Well, 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, the public knows that happened, and some people 97 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: are bothered by it and some people aren't. You, like 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: you said, I'm not sure how many people's opinions will 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: be changed with more detail. So, Devlin, are you following 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: it all the the other side of the coin? How 101 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: the investigation got started in the are you following anything 102 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: with the Russian born grad student at Cambridge and the 103 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Michael Flynn's story and all of that. Is that across 104 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: your rate? Are you? Oh? Sure? I mean, that's that's 105 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: obviously part of the reporting, and there is you know, 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: one of the other things that's in the works, uh, 107 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: and inside the Great Years of government is there is 108 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: an internal review still ongoing into how the Russian investigation 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: began and how surveillance authority was used. But we're I'm 110 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: told we're months away from that becoming that report being issued. 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: Is Mueller going to talk to anybody at any point? 112 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: Do you think he'll be on being interviewed by Oprah 113 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: or somebody sixty minutes? That certainly isn't the way he 114 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: is wired. However, a lot of lawmakers on the Hill 115 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: has said they want to subpoena him, and they want 116 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: him to testify the Congress. I can't imagine a universe 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: in which Bob Mueller Duck's of subpoena. Um, so I 118 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: think you could see that. I think that'd be open 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: where we watch it. Oh yeah, I mean, and that'll 120 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: be a big show. That'll be That'll be as big 121 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: as the Kavanaugh hearings that'll be huge ratings. It probably would. 122 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's a very um uh, he's a 123 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: very tight lipped guy. I don't know that his answers 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: may necessarily and you know, be that enlightening to a 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of the time. But he takes his job seriously, 126 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: and I think he takes his responsibility serious. So I 127 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: do expect that will probably happen at some point. My 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: final question for Devlin Barrett to the Washington Post. Do 129 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: you understand you fully comprehend that there are five hundred 130 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: and seventy five days uti the election. Um, I am 131 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: going to say, not my problem. We're actually keeping We're 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: actually keeping the number on a white board in here 133 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to remind us every single day. Yeah. Well, good luck 134 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: with that, guys. I'm just going to stick to the 135 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: simple or easier questions of the fbhin the Justice Department. Yeah, 136 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: there there you go, keeping it simple, Devlin Bear to 137 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: the Wappo. Devlin's always a pleasure. Thanks a Milian, well 138 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: done talking to Thank you. I'm not trying to like 139 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: whole helmet too much. I don't think or not, but 140 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I just is any is any gonna how many voters 141 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: in America will be moved any direction when this comes out, well, 142 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: it won't be many, even very very few, just as 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: Devilon pointed out, because the top line will surely not change. 144 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: So if Trump, out of peak, out of anger and 145 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: annoyance it the Russian investigation did some stuff that was 146 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. C especially as a guy who's moving 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: from the private corporate world into the world a government, 148 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: or he didn't quite understand, you know, how the levers work. 149 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: I could easily picture that. In fact, I'll be surprised 150 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: if there isn't stuff like that. But to Trump supporters, 151 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: they'll be like, okay, yeah, so he probably shouldn't have 152 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: told Comey dropped the Finn Flynn thing because he's a 153 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: nice guy. But does it feel like a threat to 154 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: the republic? No, not really. And you know, folks on 155 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the left will see, yeah, they met with that Russian 156 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: chick because she offered some dirt on Hillary. Is that 157 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: collusion or conspiracy or or what is it? I don't know, 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: nobody knows it's But did he join with the Russian government? 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Did don JR. Join with the Russian government in an 160 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: organized plot to do X Y or Z? Probably not. 161 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: So there's just gonna be you know, loads and loads 162 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: of IA. The Beholder