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Speaker 1: about how to achieve growth in a company. One more

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Speaker 1: signed today that Microsoft's for a into smartphones was not

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Speaker 1: a very good way to provide growth and revenue for them.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft it's going to cut back as many as one thousand,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred fifty jobs and took a new imparamid chart

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Speaker 1: charge as CEO Saye Nadella continues to pair back the

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Speaker 1: company's ambitions in smartphones. Joining us now discuss all this

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Speaker 1: and more is An gran, a senior analyst of software

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Speaker 1: our Bloomberg eleven thirties studio in New York. Anorag It

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Speaker 1: is just one more step down the path for Microsoft. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean, once you know, start there inherited this phone

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Speaker 1: business and it doesn't look like he was a big

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Speaker 1: fan of it. And ever since he has coming, he's

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Speaker 1: been you know, kind of right sizing it down to

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Speaker 1: um and I would say almost close to zero. At

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Speaker 1: this point with um, you know, very few phones left

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Speaker 1: in the market at this point that Microsoft will ever make,

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Speaker 1: you know, even in the future, for example on a rock.

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Speaker 1: How did the business get to be so bad so quickly?

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Speaker 1: This is nine and a half billion that they've had

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Speaker 1: to write off of the Nokia DEALIM it's it's a

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Speaker 1: question of strategy. I don't think that you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: he he wants to be in the handset business. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: you know, all he wants to do with sell software,

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Speaker 1: whether it is to the consumers, all the enterprises, and

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Speaker 1: he thinks it can be done without these you know,

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Speaker 1: making these math devices, which is contrary to what the

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Speaker 1: previous CEO thought. Yeah, you know, but how did two

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Speaker 1: very smart people come to very two, two very different conclusions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just doesn't it kind of spin your

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Speaker 1: head a little bit. Well, that's a different approach to

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Speaker 1: how to to make sure that you, as the user

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Speaker 1: don't leave out of the Microsoft ecosystem. And the way

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Speaker 1: Satia has gone about it, it said, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: to me if you use an iOS divide as an

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Speaker 1: don't lose word, you don't loude Excel. You still use

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Speaker 1: Skype on all these devices, So he wants to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the software connection that you have as a user,

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Speaker 1: you know, is not lost, irrespectable platform you have well,

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Speaker 1: But isn't also the case that Steve Bomber made a

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Speaker 1: bad business decision and starching Adella is making a good one.

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Speaker 1: Look at this, Uh, Windows phones have less than one

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Speaker 1: So it seems to me, it doesn't boggle my mind

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Speaker 1: at all. Seems that starting Adella is just reading the

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Speaker 1: hand running on the wall. What about the business phone market?

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Speaker 1: What's going on there for Microsoft? You know? Once again,

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Speaker 1: I mean that is a market it's possible that they

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Speaker 1: You know, you really don't have that many you know,

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's it's an opportunity, but I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't think that's that big of a market

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Speaker 1: cut out a lot of costs, improved margins. Investor liked him,

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Speaker 1: and it seems he's going to do the same thing

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Speaker 1: for HPS business, you know, consolidated and then start cutting

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Speaker 1: a lot of the fact I think the biggest feature

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of job losses. A lot of

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Speaker 1: data centers been shut down, and it's possible that even

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Speaker 1: the contracts that you know, these companies have the longer

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Speaker 1: if they're not high really profitable, he might just decide

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Speaker 1: not to even bid on them, Anora, Can I just

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on the Surface and the laptop that

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Speaker 1: Microsoft is selling. Can we see the day when they

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Speaker 1: just get out of that hardware business entirely, well, at

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Speaker 1: least in the you know, in in both the case

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Speaker 1: of Surface and their particular PC, they want to focus

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Speaker 1: think they can make a lot of money over there.

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Speaker 1: They want to showcase the power of Windows, the power

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Speaker 1: of all the applications that they have through these devices,

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Speaker 1: and that's their strategy. They will not compete with the

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Speaker 1: say it's the best device they've ever gotten, and they've

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Speaker 1: had laptops of all kinds. I know a couple of

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Speaker 1: people who use them all kinds of you know, economics,

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