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Speaker 1: And the trend has been that I take kind of

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Speaker 1: The most common understanding of what does it be what

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Speaker 1: like that old Aaron tip and nineties country song. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're going to dive in today.

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Speaker 1: Ant Man has provided us a few videos, and so Parker,

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Speaker 1: I've have like I've seen I kind of know the premise,

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Speaker 2: You know, I've described this in a variety of different

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Speaker 1: So I guess we should ask like this, So far

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Speaker 4: To say and all, because what happens is they're so confused.

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Speaker 1: some of these out. But the fruit of the spirit

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Speaker 1: is love, joy, peace, for Baran's kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,

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Speaker 1: and self control. Against such things is no law. So

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Speaker 1: here it is again. You could you could say what

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Speaker 1: does it mean to be a man? You could just

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Speaker 1: fill in right here Galatians five twenty two. The fruit

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Speaker 1: of that have someone who has the fruit of the spirit,

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Speaker 1: which is love, joy, peace, for Barent's kind as, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,

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Speaker 1: and self control, which is gonna. I agree with with

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Speaker 1: Jesus here in Matthew five to five Philippians two three

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Speaker 1: and four. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather,

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Speaker 1: in humility, value others above yourself, not looking to your

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Speaker 1: own interest, but each of you to the interest of others,

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Speaker 1: remembering Jeremna seventeen nine, I put this in here. The

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Speaker 1: heart is deceitful above all things, and beyond cure. Who

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Speaker 1: can understand it? Someone who Proverbs three five trust in

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Speaker 1: the Lord with all their heart, and it says, and

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Speaker 1: lean not on your own understanding in all your ways,

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Speaker 1: submit to Him, and He will make your path right.

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Speaker 1: One Peter five. Five. Once again I just grabbed random

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Speaker 1: stuff here for conversation purpose. One Peter five to five.

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Speaker 1: All of you clothe yourself with humility towards one another.

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Speaker 1: God opposes the proud, but shows favor to the humble.

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Speaker 1: Humble you humble yourselves therefore under God's mighty hand, that

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Speaker 1: he may lift you up in due time. And here's

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Speaker 1: the most interesting one for this concept. I've preached on

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Speaker 1: this before. One Corinthians sixteen thirteen, and the ESV tells

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Speaker 1: us to be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act

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Speaker 1: like men, be strong. When he says Paul says act

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Speaker 1: like men. That's the only time in the New Testament

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Speaker 1: when it's translated that way, when he says it that way.

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Speaker 1: In every other time, Old and New Testament, it is

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Speaker 1: be courageous or have courage, So he act like men

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Speaker 1: is being used just like you would say, be courageous.

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Speaker 1: But every other time, especially when you dive into the

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Speaker 1: Old Testament, and you see, like in the Book of Joshua,

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Speaker 1: right right after Moses hands them hands them all authority

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Speaker 1: to take the people into the Promised Land. And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk between Moses and then Joshua and

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Speaker 1: to the people of be courageous, And it's always in

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Speaker 1: terms of be obedient, be obedient to your God who

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Speaker 1: has brought you here. That's how you be courageous, That's

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Speaker 1: how you act like men. Paul saying, so, how do

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Speaker 1: you take all this, Parker and then say, well, what

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Speaker 1: does it mean to be a man? And then also

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Speaker 1: kind of put that on top of these videos that

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Speaker 1: we've seen of these men saying you need to lay

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Speaker 1: your life down, you need to be the leader. How

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Speaker 1: do you do that and be meek and have the

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Speaker 1: fruits of the spirit with gentleness and self control, and

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Speaker 1: stand firm in the faith and act like men, which

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Speaker 1: means means obedience when the flash is not wanting you

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Speaker 1: to be obedient. How do you go there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll I'll try to give a short answer and

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Speaker 3: then try to relate it back to you because you're

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Speaker 3: gonna know a lot more than me. But I was

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Speaker 3: just thinking, as you were talking about, Like, if I'm

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Speaker 3: listening to you say that stuff, I'm just like, what

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Speaker 3: does that even look like? Practically, Like you're telling me

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Speaker 3: that a man is his characteristics are love, joy, peace,

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Speaker 3: and patience. Like that sounds like a beta male in

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Speaker 3: khakis and a gigantic collared shirt and he's like one

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty pounds and he's just like hiding in

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Speaker 3: the back.

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Speaker 1: So that was my first thought.

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Speaker 3: And then and then I was thinking a little bit

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Speaker 3: more about you know, one of the things that you

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Speaker 3: might be bringing up in a little bit is just

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Speaker 3: how the Bible describes as a man as the head

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Speaker 3: of the household in the marriage. The man is the head,

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Speaker 3: he's the leader. He's the one who is who is

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Speaker 3: called to be the leader of the house. And then

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Speaker 3: practically what does that mean? Where do we get this

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Speaker 3: this idea of you know, to protect and then to provide, Well,

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Speaker 3: it's through how does he do that through? You know,

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Speaker 3: it's sacrificial and so to protect? Where do we get

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Speaker 3: all these these stereotypes of like you got to be

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Speaker 3: like muscular and then you have to have a beard

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Speaker 3: right to be a man. And well, I think that

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Speaker 3: inherently it comes from a source of like protection, right,

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Speaker 3: we we want to appear that we could protect our household.

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Speaker 3: Or if you're a single guy, then you want a

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Speaker 3: woman to know that you could protect her. So like

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Speaker 3: inherently we want to be uh, you know, stronger and

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Speaker 3: then to provide to the stereotype is that you should

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Speaker 3: be able to you know, like work with your hands

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Speaker 3: and be able to hunt and fish and like all

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Speaker 3: those things inherently say that you know, I'm I'm able

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Speaker 3: to provide. So if you're able to think just like

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Speaker 3: one layer deeper in the onion of like our stereotypes

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Speaker 3: of Okay, I need to be jack, have a beard, wear.

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Speaker 1: A flannel shirt, have an axe in my hand, and

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Speaker 1: be a lumberjack.

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Speaker 3: B yeah, and be able to survive when when we

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Speaker 3: have to go off grid, when when Biden gets re

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Speaker 3: elected in the world shuts down now. But so just

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Speaker 3: thinking one layer deep rev inherently you know, to protect,

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Speaker 3: to provide, and how all that inherently is is built

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Speaker 3: through what scripture teaches. And then so I'll just I'll

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Speaker 3: relate it back to you of like you know, what

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Speaker 3: does that practically look like for the guy sitting there

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Speaker 3: listening there and he's like, cool, you just spewed a

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Speaker 3: bunch of Bible verses at me. What am What am

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Speaker 3: I practically supposed to do with that? And I'll kind

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Speaker 3: of footnote that with like to either where you want

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Speaker 3: to go with it. Of Jordan Peterson would answer, and

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Speaker 3: I'm just using him as example because he's such a

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Speaker 3: huge voice right now in masculinity in the world. And

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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan would say the same thing. Of to answer

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Speaker 3: your question, Granger, to be a man is to bear

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Speaker 3: the heaviest load that I can in society, to find

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Speaker 3: ultimate responsibility, bear that on my back, take it up

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Speaker 3: the hill, and try to make the people around me better,

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Speaker 3: and then that will justify, as he would say, my

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Speaker 3: miserable existence on this floating rock. And that's the best

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Speaker 3: that we got to justify our existence is just bear responsibility,

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Speaker 3: which has great traits in it, but ultimately it's not

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Speaker 3: it's not the Gospel, and it's not it's not necessarily

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Speaker 3: the example of Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of stuff, like you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Peterson in a lot of things I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Twelve Rules for Life is just a fantastic book,

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Speaker 1: and I'd recommend that to anybody. He actually reads the

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Speaker 1: Sermon on the Mount in one of those chapters, like

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Speaker 1: chapter six or something. It's been several years since I

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Speaker 1: read it, but he reads, Blessed are the meek, for

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Speaker 1: they shall inherit the earth, and he agrees with that,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with Peterson. What I think the point

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Speaker 1: I'm making is Peterson is today's voice, But who's the

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Speaker 1: voice in twenty thirty four. Who's the voice in twenty

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Speaker 1: forty four? And the reason we have to be careful

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Speaker 1: with these the voices that rise and fall, is that

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Speaker 1: where is Peterson getting his information from. He's just getting

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Speaker 1: data and research from his short life. And he's a

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist and he's done work on green couches for the

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Speaker 1: last couple decades, and that's his data point that he's collected.

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Speaker 1: But when that starts changing, and it will as the

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Speaker 1: pendulum swings and as more conservative people get in office,

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Speaker 1: and there's less need to rise up against the people

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Speaker 1: they don't like than what is necessary to be a

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Speaker 1: man if you're basing it on society and culture changes.

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Speaker 1: Whole argument I made about the medieval man. So it's

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Speaker 1: not that Peterson's wrong, it's not even that Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: is wrong. There's things that Joe Rogan and I are

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Speaker 1: gonna line up perfectly if he was sitting in here

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Speaker 1: right now. There are things that if I say, hey,

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Speaker 1: how do I raise my family? Give me ten things

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Speaker 1: to raise my family, Rogan's gonna give me five or

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Speaker 1: six or seven things that I'm like, yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna disagree, like on two or three things.

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Speaker 1: So it's not that Rogan is wrong, it's not that

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Speaker 1: Peterson's wrong or that they're right, it's where are they

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Speaker 1: where they basing their argument from? Which is what I

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Speaker 1: want to help on this podcast is get people to

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Speaker 1: think biblically, think on something that is timeless. Think about

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Speaker 1: the creator of the universe provides guidelines for us, and

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Speaker 1: he says, blessed or the meek, for they shall inherit

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Speaker 1: the earth. Why because because you need that to happen. God,

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Speaker 1: God doesn't need us for anything. He doesn't need us

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Speaker 1: at all. That also doesn't mean he doesn't love us.

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Speaker 1: Just because he doesn't need us doesn't mean he doesn't

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Speaker 1: love us. Instead, he says, this is how you're wired,

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Speaker 1: this is how it created you. You will do better

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Speaker 1: you will have an abundant life here on earth if

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Speaker 1: you do these things, if you serve others, if you

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Speaker 1: treat others as more value as yourself, if you love

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Speaker 1: your enemies, if you forgive, if you're meek instead of

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Speaker 1: overbearing and overpower powering, if you're held within, hold your

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Speaker 1: power within, have obedience to me, and hold yourself under

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Speaker 1: self control, with gentleness and respect and kindness and goodness.

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Speaker 1: You do these things. I don't need you to do them.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying you do them because I created you in

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Speaker 1: this way. Just like Ford Motor Company made a power

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Speaker 1: stroke to run on diesel. You put diesel in here

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Speaker 1: and you'll do well. You put gasoline in here, it's awful.

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Speaker 1: And so these are our guideline. This is what we

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Speaker 1: base masculinity on is through the Bible. In fact, there's

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Speaker 1: not a chapter in the Bible that says, here's how

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Speaker 1: to be a man. We read it as a whole

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Speaker 1: as we learn who he is who created man. And notice,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to the man and woman thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to the household thing. Because I

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Speaker 1: have men listening to this, I have women listening to this.

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Speaker 1: I have boys listening to this that aren't married, I

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Speaker 1: have a single people, so that that's not necessarily This

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Speaker 1: isn't This isn't a discussion about how men are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be within the relationship or within a family. This

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Speaker 1: is men in general. You will do well if you

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Speaker 1: are gentle and have self control, and have love and

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Speaker 1: peace and forbearance and kindness, if you're watchful, if you

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Speaker 1: stand firm in the faith, which is stand firm in

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Speaker 1: your belief, which to stand firm in your trust, and

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Speaker 1: to trust is to know if you know your God.

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Speaker 1: He could say that, say it that way. If you

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Speaker 1: know your God and you know him well, you will

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Speaker 1: rest in him, and you'll you'll do well.

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Speaker 3: Starts with with us as men bending the knee to

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Speaker 3: our creator, which is not inherent in us. We're inherently prideful.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of men are being told that Jesus

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Speaker 3: is he made us because we're lonely, because he or

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Speaker 3: he made us because he was lonely, right, and that

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Speaker 3: he's just desperately trying to have a relationship with you.

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Speaker 3: Please please please, I need you, I need you so much,

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Speaker 3: I'm so lonely. Please and like an insecure boyfriend, right,

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Speaker 3: like an insecure boyfriend exactly. And I remember you get

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Speaker 3: in one of your talks on masculinity. You were talking

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Speaker 3: about this this big God that you found when you

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Speaker 3: when you read the scriptures, and he's more like a general.

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Speaker 3: That is, you know, no one is too lost for Christ,

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Speaker 3: like he is calling you.

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Speaker 1: And he is.

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Speaker 3: Tender and gentle and lowly, but he is also mighty.

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Speaker 3: And when men come anywhere to looking at his face

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Speaker 3: in the Bible, they fall to their knees and they

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Speaker 3: can't even look at him because of the brightness and

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Speaker 3: the purity of the light. God is a general and

649
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Speaker 3: you're on the ground and he's saying, get up and

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Speaker 3: follow me. Yeah, And so it's a it's a bigger

651
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: call than than the the insecure boyfriend. And and that

652
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Speaker 3: that walk of true masculinity begins when we bend the

653
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Speaker 3: need to our creator and acknowledge, acknowledge our sin before

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Speaker 3: him and our need of a savior, which just destroys

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Speaker 3: everything in your in your prideful heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So so now let's get to the question that

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Speaker 1: you said, well, how does that look practically? You talked

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Speaker 1: about the guy and the khakis in the shirt and

659
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, big shirt and and and then we're comparing

660
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: that to the you know what the world says. You

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00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: got this guy, this lumberjack guy with with you know,

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Speaker 1: harry chest and a flannel shirt, and he's holding an

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Speaker 1: axe in his hand. So I love how you said.

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Speaker 1: And that's how I responded when I first started understanding

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Speaker 1: who God is, and that will be a journey as

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Speaker 1: I continue. I don't. I still have so much to learn,

667
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Speaker 1: and that will be a journey till the end of

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Speaker 1: my life, learning more and more, pulling back those layers,

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Speaker 1: like you said, of who he is. But as we

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Speaker 1: begin to see him for who he is, we see

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Speaker 1: a general. We see a football coach that goes, I

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00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: know this season has been hard, but I have a

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Speaker 1: game plan. Follow me, do this and you'll be well right.

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Speaker 1: A general that goes, I know this battle has been tough,

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Speaker 1: but I know I will win the war. Who's with me? Men,

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Speaker 1: it's that guy, and I stand up and through that

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Speaker 1: I go, I'm ready. Put me in, coach, put me

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Speaker 1: on the first lines. General, when I'm on the front

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Speaker 1: lines with you, because you're the general, the guy that's

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Speaker 1: promising victory. When I'm on the front lines with that guy,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. And that is meekness. It's like

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Speaker 1: I could go all over the place on this battlefield,

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Speaker 1: I could do everything, but I want to follow this guy.

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Speaker 1: So it's that submission and meekness and following the general

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Speaker 1: and through that, what do I look like? What is

686
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Speaker 1: that guy in the front lines who's following the general.

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Speaker 1: Does he look weak? Does he look intimidated? Does he

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00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: look like he's surrendering to the enemy. Not at all.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy on the front lines. So when you

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Speaker 1: have a man practically that has seventeen guns, you know,

691
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: all hidden all around the house, he's he has, you know,

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00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: an overt desire to be controlling and to be the

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00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: man of the house and the protector, and if things

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Speaker 1: fall apart, it's on him, and if they run out

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Speaker 1: of money, it's on him. The guy that becomes overly

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: obsessed by that is someone who is lacking love, joy,

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00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: peace for Baron's kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.

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Speaker 1: The mirror image of that is the guy that goes

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Speaker 1: I have some stuff. I responsibly protect my family, but

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Speaker 1: I have a God that I trust, a general that

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Speaker 1: I will go to war with, and I know he

702
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: is in control, not me. That guy when you just

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00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: look at you could look at that. It's almost the

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00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: same guy on camera. It's the same guy, but there's

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00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: one of them has a trust in something that is

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Speaker 1: not his own and not a personal sovereignty like the

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Speaker 1: other guy said in that video. He has a sovereignty

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Speaker 1: and a great God who is the sovereign, not his

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Speaker 1: personal sovereignty. Like I said, I will say one more time.

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Speaker 1: I want to encourage people to think on their own,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want people to email. It's been years

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Speaker 1: of people emailing saying how do I do this specific

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Speaker 1: thing in this specific scenario, specific piece of my life?

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Speaker 1: And I would say to that, I would say, great,

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Speaker 1: here's what I would do, But you need to eventually

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Speaker 1: you need to know how I come up with what

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00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: I would do? Like where am I getting that from?

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Speaker 1: I don't just have a rolodex in my head of

719
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: scenarios that play out. It always would just go back

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Speaker 1: to what does God say? How does how has he

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00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: revealed himself in his word? Not once again, not because

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00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: he needs us or because he's lonely, but so that

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Speaker 1: it will be well with us. He's giving He's given

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Speaker 1: us an instruction manual on how He built us, and

725
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: we do that and we follow that and ultimately these things,

726
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: these fruits of the spirit start to manifest themselves. Love, joy,

727
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: peace for parents, kindness, goodness, not because of anything we

728
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: earn or do, but because of what Christ did for

729
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: us at the Cross, becoming the substitute for us, because

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Speaker 1: all of us have fallen short of the glory of God,

731
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: all of us have fallen short of trying to earn

732
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: our acceptance with God. And so knowing that God did

733
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: that through Christ, you know that, you believe, that, you trust,

734
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Speaker 1: that you submit to that. That's that's what it looks

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Speaker 1: like to be a real man.

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Speaker 3: Just quickly, as we close, I'll just share like my

737
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: personal experience with with masculinity. Kind of good that goes

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Speaker 3: along with with the way you just concluded, was is

739
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Speaker 3: the idea of I recently finished a book called Rescuing Ambition,

740
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: And so there's this idea and Christianity of a rescue

741
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: or a redeeming, and to redeem is to set back

742
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: to its original purpose. So if you're a guy and

743
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: you're listening to this, like you know that you're built

744
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: to work. Man, We're like, we're like work dogs, Like

745
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: give us a sled, and like we're going to go

746
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: pull and we're going to go, you know, pull something,

747
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: and we're going to go carry a load. And but

748
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: when we're born, the Bible says that we naturally turn

749
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: away from God and we we worship and serve ourselves

750
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: and create things. And so like I remember being a

751
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: guy in my twenties is just like, you know, I

752
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: had a great dad growing up, and so I feel

753
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: like I had a pretty good head on my shoulders

754
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: and so I wasn't like overcompensating like you see some

755
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: of these guys that I think, anyway, I won't get

756
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: down that road. But a lot of times when you

757
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: hear these very vulgar guys talking about masculinity, it turns

758
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: out they had like a dad that abused them or

759
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: left them and abandoned them. And I think that a

760
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: lot of it's rooted in that. But I remember being

761
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: in my twenties and being like, I know that I

762
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: had a dad who loved me, but I was still

763
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: searching for purpose, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: And so I remember hearing Jordan Peterson talk about the

766
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: dominance hierarchy and how we're all in a All men

767
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 3: are in a hierarchy. And so I thought, well, okay,

768
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: if I'm going to play this game of life, I

769
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: want to be at the top. I want to be

770
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Speaker 3: in the top one percent. And Peterson talked about men

771
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: are are valued based on their income and then their

772
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: physical strength, because just like we're talking about protect and provide,

773
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: So to provide is your income, and then to protect

774
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: is like is your physical strength. So you know jiu jitsu, guns,

775
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And so my ultimate goal is

776
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: to make as much money as possible to reach the

777
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: top of that dominant archy. Why so that I could

778
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Speaker 3: get the glory and the honor and the power for myself.

779
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: Because I only had one life. And so when I

780
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: became a Christian and I considered the claims of Christ

781
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: and I became convinced of the resurrection, God then redeems

782
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: you or switches you back to your original purpose. It

783
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: gives you a new heart that actually wants to give

784
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: the glory and honor to God. And so it's not

785
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: to say that you just lay down and you go

786
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: to sleep and nothing matters anymore. But it's to say

787
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: that you have a new purpose now and new desires

788
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: for the glory of God rather than yourself. And I

789
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: think that that framework is just important to put in place,

790
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: because otherwise, if you're listening to this and you've just

791
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: been given a to do list of stuff, then it

792
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: could not be helpful. But I don't know, does that

793
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. It's interesting that you said that, because

795
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Speaker 1: it made me think that it's unfortunate that the word

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00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: meek rhymes with weak in the English, right, it's like

797
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: an unfortunate problem that it meet rhymes with weak. But

798
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: you know the original word for meek, what that came from.

799
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Speaker 1: When Jesus said that that's not a throwaway word, when

800
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Speaker 1: he said that it was known back then that the

801
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: wild mustangs the ones that you wanted, the ones that

802
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: the warriors wanted to go into battle with. Those weren't

803
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: the workhorses. Those weren't the horses that pulled, you know,

804
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: pulled around through the fields and made grain. Those those

805
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: weren't the ones that you took back and forth to

806
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: the well. Like the war horses were different. So the

807
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: warrior men would go to the tops of the mountains,

808
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: that's where they found them. They'd go past all the

809
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: other wild mustangs and they'd go to the top where

810
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: the powerful ones were, the wild ones, and they would

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Speaker 1: find these these mustangs. Have you heard this, These these

812
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: warrior men would find the wildest of the wild and

813
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: you'd see him up there on the on the cliff,

814
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: muscles just gleaming in the sunlight. You know, it's like,

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00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: I want that horse. That's my battle horse. So they

816
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: would they would battle for they would fight for a

817
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: week to finally get this horse. They would track them

818
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: from hilltop to hilltop, and they would finally wear the

819
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: horse out where was just so exhausted and the men

820
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: were able to overtake it with the horses they were with,

821
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: and they would take this horse and break it. One

822
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: warrior would break this horse. And then once he broke

823
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: that wild horse, that horse trusted that master to the end.

824
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: It trusted the master because that was the one that

825
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: was finally able to harness all that power. And so

826
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Speaker 1: he took that horse, and that horse would go into

827
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: battle with him and run against the big line of

828
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: barbarians and go right into that line and not stop

829
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: until commanded to. Only a horse like that would run

830
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: into the death going master, you tell me when to stop.

831
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: If you don't tell me to stop, I move forward.

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00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: That is what is considered a meek horse. So when

833
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Jesus says blessed are the meek, that's a whole new

834
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Speaker 1: meaning for masculinity. Love you guys, see you next episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. I appreciate

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