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Speaker 1: Are we needed in this at all? It's one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm one more thing before we get to arguing through

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Speaker 1: chat GPT. It's Katie's birthday today. What do you do

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Speaker 1: for your birthday? A person like you?

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Speaker 2: I go to the gym and continue my day as usual.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why you look so young at thirty six.

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Speaker 1: You look much younger than thirty. When I was thirty six,

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Speaker 1: I looked fifty six, and when I was fifty six,

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Speaker 2: So I really appreciate that. Because somebody asked me if

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Speaker 1: Forty, So I was like, oh really, oh you there,

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong with them. And I'm not just saying

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Speaker 1: this would be nice. No way, you look forty.

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Speaker 2: Aren't you?

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Speaker 3: I heard on TikTok you're supposed to have a birthday week.

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Speaker 2: Oh now, I.

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Speaker 3: Get a manny and a petty and a manny petty

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Speaker 3: and then you go out for mimosas or something, and

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Speaker 1: Gallentine's Day or something.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, my husband works all week, So Drew's

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Speaker 4: gonna take me out for a nice dinner later this

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Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, so if you're not pleased with

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Speaker 1: the way he handles your birthday, you could ask chat

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Speaker 1: GBT if he did a good enough job, and it

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Speaker 1: would suggest what you should say to him. Kiss. So

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Speaker 1: I became aware of this the other day through someone

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Speaker 1: I know who in a group of people they talk to.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be vague, I'm gonna get somebody in trouble here,

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Speaker 1: and I really don't want to, but I find this

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Speaker 1: to be a fascinating topic. Apparently it's pretty damn common

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Speaker 1: for people to go to chat GPT or something similar

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Speaker 1: for some like marriage counseling or guidance or like, hey,

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say more or less than that

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Speaker 1: But I haven't done it yet because it kind of

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Speaker 3: Respond sends you a provocative text right now, and we'll

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Speaker 3: see what chat GPT suggests, because it doesn't untext, right

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember, yeah, yeah, yeah, because at some

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Speaker 3: point it weirds me out, and that like if I

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Speaker 1: Response and then THEIRS is cool, you know, that's great,

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Speaker 1: this will really be fun. But THEIRS is a if

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Speaker 1: both of them are chat GPT responses talking to me again,

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Speaker 1: Like I started, what are we doing here? We even needed?

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Speaker 1: Do we need to be here? Or we should just

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Speaker 1: let them have a conversation. Leave them alone. It look

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Speaker 4: I had to laugh the other day. Well no, I

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Speaker 4: let me take that back. I was not laughing. My

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Speaker 4: my dear friend's dog passed away recently and she text

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Speaker 4: messaged me about it, and one of the recommended responses

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Speaker 4: I ever sent that, she would unfriend me yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is straight out of the generics aisle where

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Speaker 3: let's see, can I get a response for under two dollars? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if eventually that's what it'll be. It'll

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Speaker 1: you know it'll put a little thought in here.

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Speaker 3: Would you like a more insightful and compassionate response. It'll

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Speaker 3: only cost you a dollar ninety nine a month.

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Speaker 1: Right, But so these people were using chat GPT getting

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Speaker 1: Some of the responses were, oh, yeah, I use it

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Speaker 1: Somebody said it's teaching me communication skills I wish I

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Speaker 1: I programmed my AI bought to assume Taylor Swift's identity

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Speaker 1: so I get advice from her.

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Speaker 3: set mind to Mick Jagger. Can see what advice Mick

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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, No Icky, and a number of people saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: chat GPT is my therapist. Now I come home every

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Speaker 1: saying that I think therapy is mostly bogus. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Got to bring it up.

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Speaker 3: Bigger is why I don't ask. This is why I

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Speaker 3: chat GPT, and I'm sure good advice about alternate, Like

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Speaker 3: up stuff like that. I could see it generating some

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Speaker 1: How does it not very quickly become I mean after

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Speaker 1: I have the right kind of guy. I don't know

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Speaker 3: I don't no. I think it's in this scenario the

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Speaker 3: chat GPT wouldn't be like giving you all your words.

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Speaker 3: It would be helping you understand the guidelines for productive communication.

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Speaker 3: Of course, this is all theoretical for me. I've never

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing I'm certain of. If you can talk

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Speaker 3: You just take it to chat GPT.

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Speaker 3: Might it eliminate the sort of phony over expensive counseling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's good. I

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Speaker 1: Like that's the sort of like in depth follow up.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to get from an AI bot,

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Speaker 4: And please know I've been trained on over seventy eight

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's now it's saying, let's customize your algorithm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, it's asking me, who do you want me

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why that would be any different

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you what's the name of this again?

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Speaker 2: This is called the abby abeef.

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Speaker 1: Humankind dot com right, that one.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry AaB What Abby Abby? Oh? It's the abby thing? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, feeding you lines is definitely crossing Allline a kitty.

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Speaker 1: It hit on you at any point? Remember that thing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, start chatting. No, I was not asked for

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Speaker 1: How is it making any money? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what's the actual site?

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Speaker 2: It talk dot abby abby dot gg.

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Speaker 3: Like the Georgie and Mafia or something North North Korea?

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Speaker 2: For sure, this is basically kem Jong owned man.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna put a lot of therapists out of work, guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: People that log in, people that can't afford therapy, and

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