1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: Grace Amendsi's here. She's an energy healer, transformational coach, and 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: the CEO of Forward with Grace. Grace is asking a 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: question to our culture, what if hustle culture wasn't designed 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: for our nervous systems and we could still be successful 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: by doing things differently? 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: Hi Grace, Hi Kelly, how are you? 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 4: I love that question. 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: That is like one of the questions that I would 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: probably resonate the most with in the work world, just 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: because I think we've all been there, and I know 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: that my listeners are so used to this. But you 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: sound like you have a very successful business and all 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: that now, but your journey to get there was not 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: always so perfect. So I want to know before we 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: get to the answer to this question, why you even 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: got started on this journey. 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 5: Well, I'm a classic tale. I was totally burnt out myself. 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 5: I first started my career in the corporate world in 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 5: biopharma and biotech. I have a degree in biomedical engineering 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 5: and I was doing management consulting for these top pharma 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: biotech companies and it. 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: Was this high powered career. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 5: I was flying across the country, meeting with executives and 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 5: like just working these long weeks. 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: And that was what I. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 5: Thought I was supposed to do to be successful. Like 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 5: that was following this path that had been laid out 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 5: of You go to a good college, you know, you 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: get a good degree, you get this good job out 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: of school. I was making six figures right away, which is, 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 5: you know, something that people like dream of getting to. 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 5: And so it was on the outside, all these things 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 5: were the way they were supposed to be. But on 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 5: the inside, I started to get so burnt out. I 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 5: was just exhausted. I was so disconnected from myself, from 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: my body. I started developing chronic shoulder pain that no 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 5: doctor could. 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: Solve or knew what was going on. 41 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: My add was rearing its head, and I was on 42 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 5: ap to try to make it, you know, and stay 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 5: focused and stay productive and complete all the. 44 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: Tasks that you have to do. 45 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 5: And I began to experience anxiety and depression, which I 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: never had in my life. So what I had ended 47 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 5: up doing was trying to kind of fit myself in 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 5: this box of what I thought success was. But it 49 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: was really out of sync with my own design and 50 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 5: my own energetic flow and the way that I meant 51 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 5: to be in this world, and my own gifts and strengths. 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 5: So I was doing myself the disservice, and I think 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 5: a lot of us are in that same boat. 54 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: I think that that you just summed up so much 56 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: of what's happening in our culture in general. And I 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: know I've been there and I've still tried to figure 58 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: out what the answer is though, because our culture is 59 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: not really set up for anything different. So was there 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: a moment that you were living this big life, making 61 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: all this money and still said, Okay, enough is enough, 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: I have to stop? Like, what was the moment and 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: what was the catalyst for that moment? 64 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 5: The moment and catalyst for me was very memorable because 65 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 5: it's why I kind of changed my whole life around 66 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 5: it and kicked off like the next chapter of my 67 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 5: entire life and career. I went to a reiki session 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 5: for the chronic shoulder pain that I had developed, and 69 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: I was looking for an answer for that. So I 70 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 5: went into this reiki session thinking was just for like 71 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 5: my body pain, and I had the most profound spiritual awakening. 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 5: I felt like my whole body dissolved and like this 73 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 5: true sense of oneness with the whole universe, and I 74 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 5: felt washed over with unconditional love. When I opened my 75 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 5: eyes at the end of the session, it looked like 76 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: I was seeing the world for the first time, and 77 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: everything looked. 78 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: So beautiful and alive, and. 79 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 5: That changed everything for me. It felt like I suddenly 80 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: remembered what it felt like to feel good again, to 81 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 5: feel alive. And right away I was intrigued by energy 82 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: healing and and I said, Okay, why isn't everybody doing this? 83 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: What is this all about? How does this work? 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 5: My science brain kicked in and I wanted to learn 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 5: everything there was to learn about what I had experienced 86 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 5: and how to put it in the context of the 87 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 5: Western medicine and psychology. But really, right away I began 88 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 5: to follow the breadcrumbs that the universe started giving me 89 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 5: of what felt in more alignment with my soul and 90 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: what made me feel alive. And I continue to follow 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 5: that path all the way to building my own businesses 92 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 5: on my terms and doing business in a very different 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: way than what corporate America is doing and what most 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 5: people are doing, and really just leaning more and more 95 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 5: into what I believe is what I came here to do. 96 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 5: So that was a turning point for me for sure. 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: Well how do you step back from success? 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: Though, because I want to get into the nitty gritty 99 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: of all of what you built and how you work now. 100 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: But in the moment that we just described, were you 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: not freaking out to walk away from something that our 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: society would deem as success? 103 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. 104 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 5: So to be honest, I did not have this reiki session, 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 5: go quit my job the next day and start from 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 5: scratch all in one week. 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: Okay, just making sure because I'm like, I couldn't have done. 108 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: That now, and I will be real, I will tell 109 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 5: you my real story. 110 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: Okay, it was not that quick. 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 5: However, when I remember this moment experiencing reiki and feeling 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 5: so called to it and so drawn to it, and 113 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 5: I remember saying in my mind, like, someday, in another life, 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 5: I would just be a reiki master and work with 115 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 5: people and help them and spread this healing energy, healing 116 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 5: through the world, because I truly think this would. 117 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: Solve all of our problems if everywhere doing it. 118 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 5: Oh got me too, So I began to follow that 119 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 5: and trust that, and I built trust with myself more 120 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: and more. The more that I followed that path, the 121 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 5: more that my life began to heal from the inside out. 122 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 5: Things started to fall away that were out of alignment. 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 5: I had a super toxic romantic relationship that I had 124 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 5: been really stuck in, like could not say goodbye, despite 125 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 5: we had broken up like three times, there had been infidelity. 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: It was just like, oh, just toxic in every way. 127 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: And it was only after this awakening, this transformation, that 128 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: I would suddenly just could look at it and say, 129 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 5: oh my God, like I don't deserve this, Like I 130 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: am made of love. I deserve the purest, most beautiful love, 131 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 5: Like I am amazing. I Like if he doesn't see that, 132 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 5: this isn't right. 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: And it was just like again, these. 134 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: Aha moments suddenly all happening. So you know, that set 135 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: me out on a path that ended up winding and taking. 136 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: A couple of years. 137 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 5: It led me all the way back to get my 138 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 5: master's in psychology at Columbia in the only Ivy League 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 5: program that is looking at the overlap of spirituality, mind 140 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: and body. It's ah so cool, so headed by doctor 141 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 5: Lisa Miller. She's a pioneer in the spiritual psychology space 142 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 5: and really leading the way in academia of showing the 143 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 5: need for spirituality. It's part of our well being, it's 144 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 5: part of our mental health. And she actually shows that 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: through the data that what we see these conditions of 146 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 5: anxiety and depression may actually just be symptoms of a 147 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 5: lack of a spiritual core. 148 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: A lack of it. 149 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: So I totally believe that. 150 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 5: Yes, it's very cool these studies of the fMRIs of brains. 151 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: The depressed brains are. 152 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: Thin in the exact places that the spiritual brains are thick. 153 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 5: So it's like these are really two sides of one door. 154 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: You know, Spirituality isn't so nice to have. It's like 155 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 5: an essential part of our well being that we've kind 156 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 5: of forgotten about and we've lost ability to cultivate in 157 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 5: our day to day lives. But really could be the 158 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 5: secret to healing this mental health crisis we're in. 159 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because if you don't have that, And for me, 160 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about this, but I'm 161 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: not going to say, oh, you have to get it 162 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: through religion, you have to get it through anything. I mean, 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people get it in different 164 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: way way, But as long as there's like a higher 165 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: purpose power or something that you have a spiritual connection with, 166 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: it does seem to help get through the day to 167 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: day life. And if you don't have that, then we 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: have to find the things like success, alcohol, drugs, whatever 169 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: it is to fill that hole, because we're going to 170 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: have that big gap inside of us. 171 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: Exactly. 172 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: You said it better than I even thank you so much. 173 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 5: Exactly like spirituality, I think sometimes people put their own 174 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 5: connotations on it, and like you said, they think that 175 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 5: it's religious, or they think that it's some woo woo 176 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 5: like witchy stuff, or they that it's you know, some 177 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: like shaman indigenous stuff. It's like spirituality just means you 178 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 5: connecting to the deepest part, the truest part of yourself 179 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 5: and connecting to something that is so much greater than yourself. 180 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 5: And we can get that in so many different places. Really, 181 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 5: the commonality in what we experience as spiritual as humans 182 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: is really described as a meaningful experience. 183 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: It's actually has a lot to do with how we. 184 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: Feel and to feel awakened, to feel alive, to feel 185 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 5: connected to others into all of life, and to feel 186 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 5: like we have meaning, we have purpose in our lives. 187 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 5: And so again in many ways that you can kind 188 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: of access that right nature nature a lot of people 189 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 5: find really spiritual. Right. I actually bring the work that 190 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: I do into corporate America now today, and it's amazing 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 5: because I get to be the person that I wish 192 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 5: I had when I was earlier in the journey. And 193 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 5: I always tell people like, connect to what you believe 194 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 5: is bigger than yourself. Is that Nature? Is that Mother Earth? 195 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 5: Is that the universe, the cosmos, is that God, higher self, 196 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: a higher power? 197 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, like, pick whatever word you want. 198 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 5: All they're all describing the same thing, this force of 199 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 5: good and force of life that we're all connected to 200 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: and part of. 201 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: So when you moved from the big corporate job and 202 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: world and money and all the travel and all the 203 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: things we talked about, and now you're in this position 204 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: where you're doing healing work and energy work with people, 205 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: but you still have the title of CEO, what kind 206 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: of difference does your day to day life hold, Like, 207 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: what does the job look like and how does it 208 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 2: look for you on a day to day of showing up? 209 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: Well, I guess I have to start with just that 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 5: I designed it to meet me, to match me, and 211 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: the way that I like to work. 212 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: Are you into human design or anything? 213 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 6: Yeah? 214 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: Big time. 215 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm a projector. 216 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: Okay. 217 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: So the whole thing. 218 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 5: About projectors is like we have limited energetic capacity to 219 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: do the doing. We have the vision, we have the 220 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 5: big picture. We see how things are meant to be done, 221 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 5: we see actually the changes that need to be made 222 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: on the macro and the micro, but we are meant 223 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 5: to be directing others to do the doing. So that 224 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 5: has been a huge thing that I've leaned into in 225 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 5: my businesses is really setting myself up with big teams, 226 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: lots of support, like being willing to outsource anything that 227 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: doesn't need to be me. 228 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 3: There are people that. 229 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 5: Can do the doing much better than I can, and 230 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 5: I get to elevate myself up to that true CEO role, 231 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 5: which is, you know, having a whole team underneath you. 232 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 5: And I do think the counterculture part of. 233 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 6: It is some people would wait until I don't know, 234 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 6: they'd hit a certain revenue number before they think they 235 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 6: can really hire or think that they have to kind 236 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 6: of make it themselves and struggle along the way first. 237 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 5: And these businesses, I actually was willing to say. 238 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: What does success mean to me? 239 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: It means making the impact I want to make in 240 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 5: the world, doing the work I want to do in 241 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: the world. Creating a sustainable, thriving business, certainly, but I'm 242 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 5: actually scale it up in a way that I'm paying 243 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 5: other like I paid other people before I paid myself 244 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 5: because I am so protective of burning myself out. And 245 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 5: now I have two multi six figure businesses, and you know, 246 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 5: I'm cashing money for myself as well. But I didn't 247 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 5: do that at the expense of my own well being 248 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 5: and my own health and buying into the hustle culture. 249 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 5: And I think that is a little bit counterculture these days. 250 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: I do too, And I was just going to ask you, 251 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: do you think there's a space in our culture that's 252 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: willing to accept that success could look different. 253 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: There is. I mean, there's all sorts of female. 254 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: Led businesses that are really doing things differently. I mean, 255 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 5: I also know plenty of men who are just heart 256 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: centered leaders that are really wanting to do things the 257 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 5: right way. I have corporate clients that I do executive 258 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 5: coaching for their corporate teams, and you know, we talk 259 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 5: about things like how for somebody to thrive at work, 260 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: they need to be thriving in their personal life. 261 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: They need work life balance. So we do this really. 262 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 5: Holistic like three sixty degree coaching, and it's really cool 263 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 5: to see there is some acceptance into the traditional corporate 264 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: world of realizing that it's really necessary to get the 265 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 5: most out of their people and their teams and make 266 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 5: the book most impact. It doesn't have to be just 267 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 5: something people do on their own time. It's like, this 268 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 5: is the core of making your business thrive is to 269 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 5: have your leaders thrive, and you can't thrive in just 270 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 5: one area. Thriving is what happens within the individual and 271 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: then you see the ripple effects into every area of 272 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: their life. 273 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: Do you find that it's different for men than women, 274 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: Because I was reading somewhere that you really feel like 275 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: women should work with their cycles, and I really believe 276 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: that too. And I think that as women, as much 277 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: as we want to be treated equally like from a 278 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: pay standpoint, I do think that that we function in 279 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: different ways, not bad different, but just different. And so 280 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: our culture has been built on the way that men findunction. 281 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: Then we're asked to do that, we're trying to show 282 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: up for that. Then we need things like add orall 283 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: to get through that, because that is not really how 284 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: we're wired. So can you talk through that a little bit? 285 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Thank you for bringing that up so all of 286 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 5: corporate America. And again what we talk about these like 287 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 5: traditional ways of understanding success that was all built on 288 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: the masculine structures, that was built around the masculine energy. 289 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: Men's ormones are. 290 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 5: The same day today today, They peak at a certain 291 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 5: point in the day, same time every day, if they 292 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: get the right amount of sleep. 293 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: Dad, would that be nice? 294 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: Aye? 295 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: Right? 296 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: So they could truly like and this is why we 297 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 5: think that these masculine structures of Okay, I have my 298 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 5: daily routine, and if I follow my daily routine and 299 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: I do my workout and my cold plunge and my meditation, 300 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: I start my day off and I can work from 301 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 5: nine to five and I'm super productive. And then I 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: get off and I'm with my family. That's a very 303 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 5: masculine way of living and wor and it's beautiful for 304 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 5: the men, and I hope that they can dial in 305 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 5: their perfect daily recipe. As women, it's a little bit 306 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: more complex. Our hormones are changing day to day, and 307 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 5: our hormones are going to be most the same from 308 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: day one in our cycle, as it is day one 309 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 5: of the next cycle, thirty days later, twenty eight days later, 310 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 5: and sometimes it depends month to month how long your 311 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 5: cycle is, and every day in between we are shifting slightly, right, 312 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 5: So I believe that women we don't benefit the same 313 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: way off of these rigid daily routines and daily structures, 314 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 5: and we will thrive. And I've seen this myself for 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 5: myself and for my female clients. The more that we 316 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 5: are able to be in tune with our bodies' natural rhythms, 317 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 5: the more that we're able to thrive. So what that 318 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 5: looks like things that I've done in my business, I 319 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 5: guess you asked me the question earlier. 320 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: What does it look like day to day? 321 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 322 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: Well, what does it look like month to month is what. 323 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 5: I would say, because day to day I'm doing very 324 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 5: different tasks, and I try to plan my month to 325 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 5: align with what energetically I know is going to be 326 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 5: up for me. 327 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: So what that looks like is having three. 328 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 5: Heavier weeks where I'm in my client calls, I'm doing podcasts, 329 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 5: or I'm doing you know, kind of more of the work, 330 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 5: and then I plan a week that's really light, that 331 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 5: I don't do any client sessions, and you know, I 332 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 5: might still be working on a couple of things here 333 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: and there, but I try to keep very clear of 334 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 5: sessions at meetings, and that's timed around the low point 335 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: in my cycle. And then certainly if I'm planning a 336 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 5: big event or exciting announcement on social media even or something, 337 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 5: I try to time that to when I'm going to be, 338 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 5: you know, around the height of my cycle. When I'm ovulating, 339 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 5: That's when my energy is going to be at its peak, 340 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 5: when I'm going to feel the best, when I'm gonna 341 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 5: like you know, like you literally are glowing when you're ovulating. 342 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look at. 343 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 5: Me, world, right, Versus when you're on your period, you're like, 344 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 5: let me crawl into my. 345 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: Bed and don't talk for me, don't look at me. Yeah, 346 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 4: this is all the things. 347 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 5: As women, especially like we can actually time our business 348 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 5: and create structures in our businesses to match that cycle, 349 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 5: and that is a reclamation of the feminine power and 350 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 5: building business in a different way. 351 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: I love that you just use the word feminine power 352 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: in that though, because I think the way that it's 353 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: set up now, I mean, I've even heard these narratives 354 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: like we shouldn't have a women president because they get 355 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: periods and they're different every day. And it's like our 356 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: culture is set up in a different way to where 357 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: you do have to show up every day. If you're 358 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: a business owner, you do have to you know, launch 359 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: something during. 360 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 4: Your luteal phase. It's like, there are. 361 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: Things like that. But the way that I'm hearing it 362 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: from you is you've then resourced out for other help too, 363 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 2: So maybe building a business or coming from the place 364 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: of knowing your own strengths and weaknesses, and that is 365 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: actually powerful, That is intuitive to be in touch with yourself. 366 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: There's no weak and that and the good phases are 367 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: the energetic phases are just as important as the quiet phases, 368 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: you know. And I think we've got to figure out 369 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: a different way to talk about that and look at that. 370 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it has to do with where you put 371 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 5: your values on and how you define success. For me, 372 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 5: could I have done twice as much in revenue the 373 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 5: last year if I worked straight through and didn't take 374 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: those off weeks, right? 375 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: Who knows? Maybe? 376 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 5: But is that in itself my barometer of success. No, 377 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 5: My barometer of success is if I love my life, 378 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: if I love my work, if I love the business 379 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 5: I'm creating, And so many people are in that hustle mode, 380 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 5: driving towards that you know, dollar value, number, revenue, profit, 381 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 5: and they forget about Okay, are you actually enjoying it 382 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 5: along the way? Are you going to enjoy it once 383 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 5: you get there? Right? So we have that power to 384 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 5: as women CEOs just define success on our own terms, 385 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 5: and it is a power. We are deeply emotionally in tune. 386 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 5: We are deeply intuitive, we are naturally connected spiritually. I 387 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: am a student of Kabbalah and I love that they 388 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 5: describe God's essence on earth is the feminine energy, you 389 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 5: know what they would call in Christianity holy spirit. In Judaism, 390 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 5: it's shakina and it's literally the feminine presence of God on. 391 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: Earth and it lives through the women. 392 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: And so we have this power and this responsibility really 393 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 5: to transform and change. You know, we don't have to 394 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 5: stay beholden to these masculine structures. There's this big feminine 395 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 5: rising happening right now and a lot of the old 396 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 5: structures are breaking down and we have the opportunity to 397 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: build in a new way. And it'll take being radically 398 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 5: authentic and radically honoring ourselves and our uniqueness. 399 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: I totally agree. We've talked a lot on this podcast. 400 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: I do a lot of astrology talk, and so we've 401 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: talked about the shift from Pluto and Capricorn to now 402 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: Pluto and Aquarius, and that's going to be a big 403 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: masculine and feminine energy thing. So I know that I 404 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: do believe it's happening as well. And I think that 405 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: is because we've seen so many people face the things 406 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: that you've faced with the burnout. I mean I specifically 407 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: have been there and talked a lot about it on 408 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: this podcast. I'm still trying to navigate. I'm learning a lot, 409 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: like I'm taking notes myself from what you're saying on 410 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: how to structure it. But one of the biggest gifts 411 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: for me was taking a step back from some of 412 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: the work that I do and looking at actually what 413 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: skill sets I was bringing to the table. So when 414 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: I do my hair and makeup job and my styling job, 415 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: I always looked at that as like I'm providing a 416 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: service for people. When I really took a step back 417 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: and asked myself, what am I providing my clients? A 418 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: lot of my clients are like emotionally reliant on me. 419 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 6: You know. 420 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: They always talk about your therapist and your person is 421 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: your therapist things like that. So there's that too, But 422 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: that is a feminine energy that I'm bringing to the job, 423 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: you know. And it's interesting because once I accepted that 424 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: as a part of the skills that I was bringing, 425 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: I've been able to ask for more money. I've been 426 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: able to show up. It's just like I stopped apologizing 427 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: for the request that I needed to show up and 428 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: as my best self because I realized how important my 429 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: feminine essence was to the job as well. 430 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 431 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 432 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: I love that, and it's true for so many women, 433 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 5: so many of the female clients I support. It's like 434 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: nothing in our society has really honored so many of 435 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 5: our gifts and strengths up until now, like intuition, for example. 436 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 3: I'm huge on intuition. 437 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 5: It's one of my gifts and for many women, right yeah, 438 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: And we have been trained in our society that it's 439 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 5: not real. It's some like kind of wo woo thing, 440 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 5: and you know, women talk about it, but it's actually 441 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: one of four ways of knowing. There is our lawge 442 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 5: knowing right knowing things logically. There is our empirical knowing, 443 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: so knowing through experience or evidence. There is authoritative knowing, 444 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 5: so being told by an authority what is true and 445 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 5: believing it. And then there is intuitive knowing. And this 446 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 5: is just part of psychology, you know, you can look 447 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 5: it up, part of science. Like these are just four 448 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 5: distinct ways of knowing, and we all kind of gravitate 449 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 5: to different ones. And for a lot of women, intuitive 450 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 5: knowing is one of their powers and strengths and skills 451 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 5: and gifts. I also love to share that I think 452 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 5: it's eighty percent of fortune five hundred CEOs use intuitive knowing, 453 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 5: as reported by Harvard Business Review. So this is like 454 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 5: a real way of living and making decisions that I 455 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 5: believe for intuitive people that is our. 456 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: Path to the highest success. 457 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 5: That is our key towards unlocking the life that is 458 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 5: most authentic and aligned and of the greatest good to 459 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 5: us and all. But for many of us, you know, 460 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 5: we were told like that's not real. However, I think 461 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 5: we're at a very interesting point now. I mean, you 462 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 5: said Pluto moving from Capricorn to Aquarius, and it's also 463 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 5: no surprise that we're at the dawn of AI, and 464 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 5: AI is going to take over all of the kind 465 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: of like logical knowing, these like desk jobs of just 466 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 5: running numbers and analysis, Like a lot of that is 467 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 5: actually about to go away and be taken on by machines. 468 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 5: And what is going to be left It's going to 469 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 5: be the human connection. It's going to be the intuitive, 470 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 5: the creative, the parts of us that machines can't replicate yet. 471 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 5: So I actually see this is like a huge turning point. 472 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: For us in a positive way. 473 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: I think it's like sometimes you do the thing or 474 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: I think our culture can do the thing that we 475 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: do in life too, where it's like we're at one 476 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: side of the pendulum something's not going right, so we 477 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: swing to the total other side and we just got 478 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: to find a better balance because I think there is 479 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: so much of the driver masculine energy and that served 480 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: us for a while, but we're missing the connective piece, 481 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: and I think everyone is so desperate for that now. 482 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: I've had so many conversations about that recently where people 483 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: are genuinely longing for just real connection, and I think 484 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: a lot of that can come from some of this 485 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: stuff that we're talking about. I want to go back 486 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: and touch a little bit on intuition though in business. 487 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: I read that article that you're talking about and I'll 488 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: link it for you guys in the description of this podcast. 489 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: But so many of the people that were interviewed were 490 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: actually men. You know, we're talking about this as skill 491 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: set of women, but really it's feminine energy and we 492 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: all have both inside of us. So can we talk 493 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: a little bit about how to tap into your intuition 494 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: and make a good decision in business or make a 495 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: decision in business intuitively, like how do we do that? 496 00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: Yes? 497 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 5: So, first of all, I'm so glad you mentioned that, 498 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 5: because this isn't just women are one way, men or 499 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 5: the other. There is that big capital F feminine energy 500 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 5: that is running through all of us and the big 501 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 5: capital M masculine. And how I really see this is 502 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 5: about each individual honoring their own innate design, which is 503 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 5: a beautiful mix of both. And again for some of us, yes, 504 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: there's certainly men that are super intuitive that to develop 505 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 5: that more or would be very beneficial to them. 506 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 3: To develop more. 507 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: So when we talk about intuition, there's certainly different ways 508 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: that we receive from our intuition. Some of us feel 509 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 5: like a gut feeling. Some of us have a knowing 510 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 5: in their mind. It's like suddenly like a download if 511 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 5: I just know this is what I need to do. 512 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: Some of us can feel in different ways in our body. 513 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 5: It doesn't just have to be We all talk about 514 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 5: the idea of a gut feeling, which is like this, 515 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 5: you know, like you're punched in the gut, you know 516 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 5: something's wrong. Right when I'm playing with my intuition and 517 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 5: asking questions, I can just feel this sort of like 518 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 5: levity of a yes and like a slight like falling 519 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: of a no. And how you train that and learn 520 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 5: what your own way that your intuition communicates with you 521 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 5: is is simply through practice, first and foremost. This is 522 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: a muscle, just like anything else. So I like to 523 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 5: tell people ask your intuition on decisions that don't matter, 524 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 5: like when the steaks are low, you can ask your intuition. 525 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 5: This is so silly, but like one time I was 526 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 5: in a grocery store in LA and picking something for 527 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 5: my husband for lunch, and I had texted him like, well, 528 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 5: what do you want? 529 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: Or oh, they have breakfast burritos, which kind do you want? 530 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: This kind of that kind and he didn't respond right away, 531 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 5: and so I just instead of thinking, I just said, okay, 532 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 5: let me ask intuitively, like which you would want, and 533 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 5: I got that it was the steak one, and so 534 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 5: I grabbed it, and then, of course, low and behold. 535 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 5: On my drive home, he texted back steak. And it 536 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 5: was so fun because I. 537 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 3: Said, oh, don't worry, I already tapped. 538 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: In, and I knew that you wanted a mistake because 539 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 5: it just felt a little more light, a little bit 540 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: more like uplifting yes than the other one, which felt 541 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: like a little bit of a down. And I just 542 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 5: think it's so funny because it's such a silly example. 543 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 5: But when we do that more and more, we actually 544 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 5: begin to build confidence in ourselves and our decision making 545 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 5: and our intuition, and we begin to see, oh, it 546 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 5: was right there, and we get these affirmations back, and 547 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 5: then we begin to understand, oh, yeah that feeling, Yeah, 548 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 5: I trusted that and. 549 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: It was right. 550 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 5: So you know, we don't just go from zero to 551 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: deciding the fate of your eight figure company off intuition, 552 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 5: but you build it over time and then eventually you're 553 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 5: so clear like nowadays in my business, Oh sometimes it's 554 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 5: so hard. I've had to make really tough decisions, or 555 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: my intuition was saying like very complicated things like this 556 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 5: is absolutely a yes, you have to do it, and 557 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 5: there's going to be something that's not going to work 558 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 5: out the way you want and you have to do 559 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 5: it anyway, and like jumping into that and really trusting 560 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 5: is scared. But I've built up to that point where now, 561 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 5: I mean it's my number one direction giver in my business. 562 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: I love the idea of starting with something small, like 563 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: something at the grocery, though, because I do think it's 564 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: important to have confidence, and like you said, I just 565 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: will sometimes have this knowing and I can't explain it. 566 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: To people, but I just know stuff. 567 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: And I've gotten more comfortable with it through the years, 568 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: but probably not until the last couple of years, because 569 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 2: it sounds crazy to people when you're like, I just 570 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: know how to do this, or I know what to 571 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: say about this, or I know which direction and you 572 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: can't give the logic all the time, which makes me 573 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: insecure about saying it in the past. And now I'm 574 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: starting to lean into like that is just as strong 575 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: of a skill set or a knowing or anything as science, 576 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: it's the same to me. 577 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 5: Well, and a couple things that you might find interesting. Well, 578 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 5: Number one, absolutely the intuition. The way the intuition works 579 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 5: is we know the answer and we don't know why. 580 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 5: It's logic that is the why, and so we're not 581 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: logically thinking, we're intuitively knowing. You will not know why, 582 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 5: and you have to be willing to say yes anyway. 583 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 5: So one way that we can also understand intuition from 584 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 5: the scientific perspective that I think is very interesting is 585 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 5: we are receiving into our subconscious mind so much information. 586 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: All the time. 587 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 5: We actually receive I think it's twenty eight point five 588 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 5: thousand times the amount of information per second is going 589 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: into our subconscious compared to what we actually have a 590 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 5: conscious perception of. Right, So twenty eight point five thousand 591 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 5: times the information in our subconscious. So one way we 592 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 5: can understand our intuition is it's actually our subconscious is 593 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 5: ability to read the situation and information that we don't 594 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 5: even have in our consciousness and give us the answer. 595 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 5: So it's actually working like faster better, right, It's like 596 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 5: it's like five steps ahead of. 597 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: The logic when we so much sense to me because 598 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: it is a no right, like yes, you're like, why 599 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: doesn't this make sense? 600 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: Though? 601 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 4: Why do I feel this way? 602 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: But the subconscious like you're taking it in all the 603 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: time makes me think too, of even the energy that 604 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: we're just bringing in people's responses that we don't clock 605 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: consciously but we feel in our body. All of those 606 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: things would play into that exactly. 607 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 5: So it's like you're subconscious and this other intelligence is 608 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 5: knowing more maybe about the situation than what like our 609 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 5: little brain righting that it knows. So when we can 610 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 5: be open to like, yeah, tell me the answer if 611 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 5: you have it, and then receiving it, but we also 612 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 5: have to be willing to then act on it and 613 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 5: actually take the step. You don't know how many people 614 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 5: that I work with that say, well, I know intuitively 615 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 5: I have to do this. Like a client, I know 616 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 5: intuitively I need to leave this business it's not right, 617 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 5: and I have to break up with my business partner. 618 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: I know intuitively I have to do it, but I'm 619 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: too scared. 620 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 5: And it's like you just told me the answer right 621 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: there that you're oh, you have to you said, I know, 622 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 5: I have to do it, So like we gotta do 623 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 5: it right and So many people get those messages and 624 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 5: then they wait and they sit, and they sit in 625 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 5: the situation that they're meant. 626 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: To be getting out of. 627 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 5: So really following your intuition can be the fastest way 628 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 5: towards growth and transformation and changing your life if you're 629 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 5: willing to trust it for you really really really really 630 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 5: give to you, like yes, reclaim that it's again, it's 631 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 5: a strength. It's part of your unique toolkit of what 632 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 5: makes you you and what makes you talk about the 633 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 5: value you charge your clients and whatever. It's like, you're 634 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 5: an intuitive, you're a skilled person. Like they got to 635 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 5: pay extra for their haircuts, and I guess because they're 636 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 5: getting this emotional support and you know, intuitive insight, And yeah. 637 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: I buy into it now completely. Well, we've talked about 638 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 2: the business a couple of times. It's called forward with Grace. 639 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: Can you tell the listeners a little bit about what 640 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: they might find if they wanted to work with you 641 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: or keep up with the business in any way. 642 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 5: So I support leaders all over the world. I've worked 643 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: with Fortune five hundred companies. I work one on one 644 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: with private clients and we run events. 645 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 3: You're at my other. 646 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 5: Business to Pinka Canyon oasis right now, I am just 647 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 5: launching a program that I'm super excited about, my top 648 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 5: Tier one on one transformative Container. This is actually like 649 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 5: my absolute favorite way of supporting clients. It's for leaders 650 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 5: who are wanting to thrive in their life and their 651 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 5: business by reclaiming their gifts, reclaiming their design and designing 652 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 5: their lives the way that will serve them and how 653 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: they want to define success. And that's kicking off right now, 654 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 5: so you can check that out at Forward with Grace 655 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 5: slash top Tier. So Forwardwgrace dot com slash top Tier. 656 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 5: And actually for your audience, I would love to give 657 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 5: a special gift of one thousand dollars off. 658 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the big gift. Okay, I love this. 659 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: She just surprised me with that. 660 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 5: By the way, you guys, it is a big gift, 661 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 5: But I am a gift giver. 662 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: I love it. 663 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: I love that. 664 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 5: You can just reach out to my team with that 665 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 5: and they will apply that if you're interested in the program. 666 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to put your website and a 667 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: link to that in the description of this podcast for 668 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: you guys, obviously, if you're going to do it. Mentioned 669 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: Velvet Edge because she's offering a massive discount for that, 670 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: so definitely do that. 671 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: Grace, where else can people keep up with you? 672 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 5: Go ahead and follow at forward w Grace on Instagram. 673 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: I'm on there. 674 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 5: I share inspiration, tips, tricks and some of just my 675 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 5: day to day life if you want to follow along 676 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 5: on there. And then also my business to Panga Canyon 677 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 5: Oases is at Tapanga Canyon Oasis on social and Topinka 678 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 5: Canyon Oasis dot com online and we'd love to host 679 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 5: you if you ever want to come out for a 680 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 5: healing retreat into Panga Canyon just outside of La and 681 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 5: we have a whole concierge of services here with an 682 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 5: energy healing that you can add on to your stay 683 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 5: as well as a lot of amazing, amazing amenities. 684 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: So we'd love to just. 685 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: Have to go check out this property. I was looking 686 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: at your website earlier. It is absolutely gorgeous. So if 687 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: you need a retreat, you're trying to get away, but 688 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: you want to do some healing as well, I highly 689 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: suggest this place. 690 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thank you, and oh oh my gosh, 691 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: I forgot to tell you. 692 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to tell you at the beginning. 693 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 5: Well, I love the theme of your podcast. 694 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: I am obsessed with velvet. I well, it just made 695 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 3: me think of it because. 696 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 5: My retreat center to Panka Kenyon Oasis, we have these 697 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 5: velvet meditation cushion sets that I got that I was like, 698 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 5: I love these. 699 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 3: They're like a. 700 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 4: Blue velvet and oh my god, fasil. 701 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 3: So anyway, I just wanted to tell you I like 702 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: that from the beginning. I have my velvet. 703 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 4: It is meant to be my gosh, I'm surrounded by velvet. 704 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: I am just it's like how I feel like my 705 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: soul is. 706 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: So that's how I feel, and I feel like velvet 707 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: sedge has always described me perfectly because it gives the 708 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: description of both the ways I feel internally externally just 709 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: all the things we have a combination of both. 710 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 6: You know, yes, I love that defeminine and masculine exactly exactly. 711 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: Well, Grace, thank you so much for being here with 712 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: us again. You guys definitely go reach out. I'm going 713 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: to put all of their information in the description of 714 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 2: this podcast so you guys can keep up with Grace 715 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: as well. 716 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 717 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Velvet's Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson, 718 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet and a 719 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty 720 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.