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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. We have emerged

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Speaker 1: from the weekend relatively unscathed. Longtime listeners, you know the drill,

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Speaker 1: which will be some terrible word play for today's show,

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Speaker 1: and we we have returned from the civilized world here

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Speaker 1: to the wilderness of the Internet to present what we

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Speaker 1: call strange news. Today. We're talking about space. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about some very creepy clowns, and we're talking about mining.

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Speaker 1: We're on the edge of some very very strange things. Now,

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Speaker 1: no Matt, before we begin today, I always wanted to

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Speaker 1: Did you ever like anytime childhood adulthood. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: Do you ever see one that's the one with like

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Speaker 1: Royce has always seemed to me meant to be purposely inconvenient.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a flex right, Like ILike these peasants,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about cleaning this. The the

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I guess I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they're They're probably only cars around still today that still

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Speaker 1: Isn't isn't that just like doesn't that become like a

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Speaker 1: now there is a huge shortage of what are called

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Speaker 1: there's ghosts there. Well, you know what for my money,

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Speaker 1: the school, Uh has it off the book's personal relationship

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Speaker 1: with the clown company and we're trying to make some bucks.

428
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: I saw the Facebook, the Facebook comments. Um, that was

429
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Speaker 1: where I think that original statement was posted from Speech Academy.

430
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: They're really interesting because because people did not react well.

431
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: I think, you know, especially in these troubled times, but

432
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: in general, if you were a parent, you want you

433
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: want one big thing, predictable safety for your kids, right,

434
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: especially when you're not around, which means that which is

435
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: part of the reason why parents have to sign off

436
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: on field trips, even if they seem relatively innocuous. Right,

437
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: That's why things like career day get announced. Um, and

438
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: I I understand, you know, between between us, between those

439
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: of us recording here to stuff and what you know,

440
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: we have educators in our past, some of us have kids,

441
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: and this this just seems I think what's missing for

442
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: me here, no, Matt, is that I don't understand what

443
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: what exactly the enrichment would be. Was it just a

444
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: misstep to say, like, hey, I think kids will enjoy clowns,

445
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: even though for a lot of the world in a

446
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: post John Wayne gaycy environment, clowns are synonymous with sinister

447
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: motives and creepiness. I I don't know. That's the thing

448
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand. And this doesn't mean the motivation does

449
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: and exist, I just I don't understand the dots, Like

450
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just get like a magician or someone

451
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: who makes balloons, or what's another thing, kids like somebody

452
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: dressed up as a popular cartoon character, you know what

453
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: I mean, trends who do the Yeah, I get friends

454
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: who do the wh who are parts of companies where

455
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: they regularly go to children's parties dressed as you know,

456
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: uh or acting as like Elsa or Pocahuntas or Cinderella

457
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: or whatever you And it's a good business. It's really wholesome,

458
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: we agree, But I think it's less about the costume.

459
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: That's certainly part of it, and let's allowed it to

460
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of rock it to such a you know, fever

461
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: pitch nationally because of exactly that it's approaching Halloween. It

462
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: makes for a good quick baby headline. And you know,

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00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: we think clowns are freaky, which is a problem for

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00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: people that are professional clowns. I mean, their reputation as

465
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: like a wholesome form of entertainment has really been sullied

466
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: over the years because of things like Stephen King's It

467
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: and John Wayne Gacy and just the idea of the

468
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: creepy clown. But I just think any adult in a

469
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: costume hanging around primary schools trying to pass out flyers

470
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: too small children is ill advised. And and oh my god, Ben,

471
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Facebook group. Now you gotta check this

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00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: set to if you just type in a speech Academy

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00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Asia Facebook. I mean they are just getting shreded. It's

474
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: like literally unrelated any of this. They're talking about their

475
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: COVID protocols. And please beat me on this, Alexa, but

476
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. One um comment or just goes.

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00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Stop your stupid clowns loitering outside primary schools. Another one,

478
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: stop clowning around and play praying on our children. You

479
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: call yourself an educational consultant, How much do you understand

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00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: about children and the parents needs. Smack yourself for approving

481
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: and conducting such marketing campaign. I regret sending my child

482
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: to your center. Waste of money. And all of their

483
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: responses are so like by the book, it's like, hello,

484
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: use her name. Thank you for your feedback. We understand

485
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: parents concerns for the safety and well being of their children.

486
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: Please is do allow us to apologize for the inconvenience,

487
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: cause our team is currently in the midst of discussion

488
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: to rectify this. I think the damage has been done, y'all.

489
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't know I feel kind of bad. I mean,

490
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: it seems like they had the best intentions at heart,

491
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: but such a bone headed move. Clown costume or no,

492
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: just any weird adult hanging out outside of the school.

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: It's interesting that they're also um it's interesting that one

494
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: point of contention became the idea that the adults stressed

495
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: as clowns might be paying children to follow them around,

496
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: because that, honestly, that just gives us an excuse to

497
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: talk about one of the most disturbing fairy tales in

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, which is The Pied Piper of Hamlin if

499
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: you guys remember that way. First all, all fairy tales

500
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: are super dark if you read the original versions. But

501
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: the thing about the pie Piper of Hamlin is that

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00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: there's been some research into what the truth of that,

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00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: what the origin point of that folklore could be. And

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00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if that if if people in Singapore of parents,

505
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if any of them thought, are they recreating

506
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: a pipe piper situation? Are they trying to? And then

507
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: also also there's just something creepy in general, I think

508
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: about adults, especially strangers, giving children money without their parents knowledge.

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00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: That sounds like a big Matt I think you would

510
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: call that a no no oh, yeah, the following was

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00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: an aspect of it. Guys, Is that what your your

512
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: interpretation has been? There they're saying they weren't paying kids

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00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: to follow them, but they were, so I mean, I

514
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I definitely after reading all these reviews,

515
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: in these comments, you do start to see things get

516
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: blown wildly out of proportion. I mean, again, this was

517
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: absolutely stupid and ill advised. But I don't know that

518
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: the people were trying to lure the children anywhere, right

519
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: like that that's the pot that But I don't know.

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00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what people experienced, but I'm not seeing

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00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: that anywhere like actually happening. I'm hearing that's exactly right

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00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: in the room. Right again, We've we've all, we're all

523
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: creatures of the internet. We know how quickly, you know,

524
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: people love a villain, people love to tear something down

525
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: on the internet. If you start to read these comments,

526
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: they start to piggyback on each other and escalate and

527
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: escalate and escalate, um and and and before you know it,

528
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's that game a telephone we're always talking about.

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00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: And who knows where the truth actually lies? Um So,

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00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the company kind of because it

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00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: seems like they certainly weren't out there to do any harm.

532
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: But it's also like dangerous when you're marketing directly to children,

533
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: because it's it could be misinterpreted, especially if your trust

534
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: is it as a creepy clown outside of elementary school

535
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: when there was a you know, ax murder earlier in

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00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: the year. Right, that's the part that seems what a

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00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: PR firm call it bad optics, you know. Um, I

538
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: just still like, I'm thinking of all the other things

539
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that you could possibly do to promote enrichment and promote speech,

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00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: to promote the speech and enrichment classes. Maybe speech and

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: enrichment is kind of a and we don't know this,

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00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I think at least we don't know this yet, but

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00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: maybe the speech enrichment classes are kind of like drama

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: classes or performance classes. And the logic was maybe that

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00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: we're getting performers to show these kids and then maybe

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: they can take, uh, maybe they can take something like

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00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: a clown or circus act related classes. Because I can't

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00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: remember if we mentioned which show we mentioned this on,

549
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: but there are really prestigious clown schools in Emily and

550
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: in parts of Europe and it very much is a

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00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: respected art form. Um. This is just this is not

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00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: the look there. There are tons of things and this

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00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: one is not. It agreed, Oh yeah, I agree, Ben.

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00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: I just want to say on that Facebook page you

555
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: can see an interview with one of the people who

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00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: was involved in the viral photo that went around, the

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00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: one that sparked all the outrage from the parents. Uh.

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00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: It is a very sweet little interview. I haven't watched

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00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: it all yet, but it's a person just explaining what

560
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: was happening. Uh. It feels very very innocent to me,

561
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: but again, who knows. Oh, I'm with you, Matt, and

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00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I think really the takeaway from the story is just

563
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 1: how that kind of stuff can just really balloon out

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00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: of control when people start like you know, looking for

565
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: someone to blame and uh and creating scenarios maybe did

566
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: never really exist. But again, bone headed move on the

567
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: part of this company. Um ill advised, but not not

568
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: necessarily ill intentions at all. So with that, I think

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00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: we can we can pop to a quick break and

570
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: then we'll be back with one more bit of strange news.

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00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: And we've returned already. I mean, we didn't know I

572
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: don't think anybody had time to put on their clown

573
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: makeup you're talking about. I wear mine all the time.

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00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: It's just how I exist. Well, I apologize everyone. Uh,

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00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: let's take another break so we can all get our

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: clown makeup on. Okay, Okay, now we're ready. Okay. So

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00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: we're going to dovetail off of Ben's story from this week,

578
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: where Rolls Royce wants to mind the Moon, and we're

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00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: going to discuss a company that wants to mine deep

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00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: deep within the ocean, so deep within the ocean, down

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00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: to the abistle plane and beyond. For me personally, it

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00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: is a very frightening concept, and I'm having visions of

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00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: terrible things happening in the future. I am not psychic

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00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: like many are, but like unlocking some sort of like

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: g Lovecraft and riffed between universities or something like that. Oh,

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00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it. Okay, Okay,

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: let's let's jump through. I'm gonna read from a Guardian

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00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: article titled Race to the Bottom. The disastrous blindfolded rush

589
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: to mind the Deep Sea. Oh, it sounds so just ominous.

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00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: Here we go. I'm going to read directly from this.

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00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: It was written by Jonathan Watts, was posted September. That's

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Speaker 1: today that they were recording this. He says. In late June,

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Speaker 1: the island Republic of Nauru informed the International Seabed Authority

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Speaker 1: the i s A, based in Kingston, Jamaica, of its

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Speaker 1: intention to start mining the seabed in the Clarion Clipperton Zone.

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00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: That's a very specific thing that we're going to talk

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00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: about in two years time, via subsidiary of a Canadian

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00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: firm called the Metals Company. You can look up the

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00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Medals Company if you wish. It's a t MC. It's

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00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: written as TMC and it's also also maybe known as

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00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: deep Green. At least previous sleeve it was known as that.

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice name, right, sounds good, deep green and

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00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: deep green. The concept of green energy plays heavily into this,

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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: as well as heavy metals. While they're all the words

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: that are coming together in forming thoughts, and we're building

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Speaker 1: a top to here, guys, here we go the Clarion. So,

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00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the Clarion Clipperton Zone is an area between the Hawaiian

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Speaker 1: Islands and Mexico and parts of America over here on

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Speaker 1: this side. It's a fairly large zone. I mean very

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Speaker 1: very large, and it is the really what we're interested

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00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: in this these companies are interested in, is the very

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00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: bottom the actual seabed in this zone. And I'm going

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00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: to continue reading from the article just so we're all

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: on the level playing field here as we're thinking about this.

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00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: From the article, they're saying that this basically request, this

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Speaker 1: written statement that you're you have two years to give

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00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: us what we need in order to begin drilling or

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00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: at least exploring drilling on the sabed here, according to

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: the article, was a starting gun for a resource race

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00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: on the planet's last vast frontier, the abyssal plane that

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00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: stretches between continental shelves deep below the oceans. So what

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00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: could this mean, this concept of a company wanting to

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: drill for minerals down deep beneath the ocean. Well, they're

624
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: looking at the at least the things on the surface.

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: Hey see you, uh, fishery disturbances, water contamination while it's happening,

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00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: sound pollution that's going to affect any sea creatures in

627
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: like within a considerable distance, as well as habitat destruction

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00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: for numerous species that make their home close to the

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00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean, or at least within the the

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00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 1: abyssle zone, and we know there's a ton of life

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: down there. There's several document as you can watch on

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00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: that right now. You can also continue reading that article

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00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: that I already mentioned to learn about several major species.

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00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: But there are countless others that we are not yet

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00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: aware of just because they're so deep and we haven't

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00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: explored those areas yet. So the big question is why

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00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: would those potential risks be worth it? Right? Is it

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00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: just for bottom line? Is there a greater good argument

639
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: happening here? Why would mining companies want to mind for

640
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: stuff there in particular? Well, it's because, uh, they know,

641
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: because they've done I guess you're the initial exploration of

642
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: what types of minerals exist in these places deep beneath

643
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: the ocean. And they say that the minerals that are

644
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: there copper, nickel, magnesium, several others are essential for the

645
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: green transition that needs to occur on this planet in

646
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: order to prevent the things that have been outlined by

647
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: the Paris Climate Accords. Uh so the company, you know,

648
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: the company is at least making that argument as well

649
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: as probably the you know, the mining industry as a

650
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: whole as they want to go to the moon and

651
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: to the depths of the ocean to find these things

652
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: in places that they don't seem to exist on the planet,

653
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: or at least at very difficult to get to on

654
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: the planet in other places. Um. This is a statement

655
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: from that article. If the world wants to decarbonize and

656
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: reach net zero emissions by twenty fifty, they say, we

657
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: must start extracting these resources for car batteries and wind

658
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: turbines very soon. That's why they're putting this pressure on

659
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: by giving this two year notice essentially. Now, if you

660
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: want to learn more about the initiation of some of

661
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: these actions, there's another Guardian article you can read titled

662
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: deep sea mining could start in two years after Pacific

663
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: Nation of Nauru gives you an ultimatum. So that's really

664
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: the starting point for everything. This initial article, the one

665
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: that I mentioned at the top, is a little more

666
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: now lysists than what you get in this article the

667
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: deep sea mining one. Um. But either way you can

668
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: you can see everything you need to know here and

669
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: what you'll find is that the largest voices saying no

670
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: or we should fight back against this are people like

671
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: at Greenpeace International who see this as a major ecological

672
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: problem of serious damage that will be caused by this

673
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: mining operation. Especially given the unknowns that exist, it seems

674
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: like it's going to be extremely an extremely difficult thing

675
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: to achieve and do right and do safely to ensure

676
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: that major ecological damage is not incurred. Uh, I'm gonna

677
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: side with unavoidable just because not because not because there

678
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: are any like Captain Planet level supervillains here, but but

679
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: because the the attempt to do this stuff is relatively

680
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you right, I believe it's nineteen seventies where different outfits

681
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: first tried to dive into this, and one thing that

682
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: they found was that the technology just wasn't there. And

683
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: even if the technology is there now, Matt, I really

684
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the point you are racing, which is the great

685
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: unknown of deep sea ecology and what what lives down there?

686
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: Like it's it's not unusual in any given year for

687
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: a new type of animal to be discovered at these

688
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: depths of the ocean, including some of my favorite like

689
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: new varieties of octopuses, and and there is you know,

690
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: there is that argument they're making does have some sand, right,

691
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: because the the idea here is that if everything goes smoothly,

692
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: this will in some way mitigate the looming ecological disasters

693
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: just around just around the chronological corner. But the issue

694
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: with that is that everything will not go smoothly. It

695
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: is virtually assertitude. Everything will not go smoothly in this regard.

696
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: It's the money is just gonna get too good. That's

697
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Well, the money will be too good

698
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: because they're talking about vital materials, vital minerals needed to

699
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: expand and to get us again humanity to a place

700
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: where we've decided we need to get to. And talking

701
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: about the nineteen seventies when the first attempts to do

702
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: this were occurring. I'm going to give you a quote

703
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: from that article. There was some chief executive that was

704
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: involved that isn't even I don't think they're even attributed

705
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: here for this quote. But this task was like quote

706
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: standing on top of the Empire State Building and trying

707
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: to pick up small stones on the sidewalk using a

708
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: long straw at night. Just that that the concept of

709
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: of of accurately from whatever vantage you are on either

710
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: the surface or even deep below the water, just nowhere

711
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: near the level you need to get to to actually

712
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: access these areas easily and just noodling around until you

713
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: can suck some things up that you need. And you

714
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: know what, some of the regulatory bodies are looking at.

715
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Some of the data that they have can also be

716
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: found online. I would highly recommend checking out I think

717
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: it's Frontiers and Marines Science if you search for that

718
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: deep Sea Environments and Ecology. There is an article here

719
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: called Inactive Sulfide Ecosystems in the Deep Sea a review

720
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: And if you look at this, it kind of goes

721
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: deep into what they're actually what would be mind here

722
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: And do you guys remember the events like the the

723
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: heat vents at the bottom of the well are these

724
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: are the things where there's mineral build up from these

725
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: essentially exhaust pipes from the bottom of the ocean that

726
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: they want to that they will break off. And the

727
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: ones that they're targeting are ones that are inactive. They

728
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: are currently not you know, ejecting as far as we know. Yeah,

729
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: and and let me correct myself and misspoke hydrothermal vents,

730
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: not geothermal. That was a rookie mistake. But but the

731
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: problem here is that these things that are a lot

732
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: like geyser's right basically on the ocean floor. They're home

733
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: to some of the most unique, naturally occurring life on

734
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: this planet, you know, extreme aphiles, things that are literally

735
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: the closest to what we might find on on some

736
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: alien planets. Right, we are not alike. They are built different.

737
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: And if there's an inactive hydrothermal vent, sure that means

738
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: that the rules are going to change, right because that

739
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: heat is the that heat essentially replaces the sun and

740
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: the role the sun plays for the surface walkers. But

741
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: the like the Still though, Matt, do we know enough

742
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: we being current civilization, do we know enough about what

743
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: may or may not live around those inactive events? Do

744
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: they go through periods of activity and inactivity? Right? Is

745
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: the store permanently closed or is it just you know,

746
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: shut down for the weekend. Ah See, maybe I don't know.

747
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't have those answers for you. I wish you did.

748
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing I'm not. Here's and your

749
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: people are gonna say you're callous, Matt, You're evil. I

750
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: can't believe you. But I don't even care about all

751
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: the animals that lived down by the thermal vents. What

752
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: I care about is the concept that they're messing with

753
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: the systems, the system beneath those actual events that are

754
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: venting out that energy. I'm thinking about this as the

755
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: fracking industry. If this is really the first salvo from

756
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: a company to go down there and really start digging

757
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: stuff up and taking all these minerals out and there

758
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: they do a good job, and oh man, the shareholders

759
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: are all happy with this. The next company comes along

760
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: and they start doing it at another spot on the ocean,

761
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: they start disturbing it. What if they disturb some process

762
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: the way nobody knew fracking was gonna disturb the ground

763
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: and cause earthquakes. They cause some other stuff to happen,

764
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: and now we're talking about deep under the sea or

765
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: aforementioned interdimensional rift, you know, unleashing of elder beasties, you know,

766
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: from from the abyssal plane. UM. I've been listening to

767
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: the audio book version of Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park lately. Uh.

768
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: I just finished it. It's really good. Uh. They did

769
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: a great job making it into a movie. But there's

770
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of cool science e stuff in the book

771
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: that that they kind of gloss over in the movie.

772
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: And Ian Malcolm makes a really good point about how um,

773
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: John Hammond says, you know, the whole thing, like, oh, well,

774
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: just use this genetic engineering to make entertainment. It's such

775
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: a simple idea. And then Malcolm kind of thrashes him

776
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: before because essentially the idea is like, they make this thing,

777
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: they figure out how to sell it, they patent it,

778
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: and they slap it on a lunchbox before they ever

779
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: even think about, you know, the implications to the greater

780
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: world at large of like, you know, bringing these ancient

781
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: creatures back from the dead essentially when there's probably a

782
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: reason that they were you know, they're not on this

783
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: earth anymore. Um. But it's the same thing with like this,

784
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: this type of thing that you're talking about, where it's like, yeah,

785
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: we can do this, Oh of course we're mitigating all

786
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: of the potential negative impact. But they never really fully are,

787
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: you know. They they do these studies, like with fracking,

788
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: two's always a safe quote unquote within a certain range.

789
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: But then over time you realize, oh wait, actually it's

790
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: causing all these problems that we are now not going

791
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: to fully acknowledge because we did our homework. It's gonna

792
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: be the same thing with this, And you're right, It

793
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: absolutely is scary, especially as little as we know about

794
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: those deep, deep, deep, deep sea environments. I mean, as

795
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: far as we're concerned, it should be there, like might

796
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: as well be on another planet. And I mean that's

797
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: that's not wrong. Yeah, that's they're set up the there's

798
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: a reason that a submarine has some strange commonalities with spacecrafts, right,

799
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: and there's a reason that the ocean is so comparatively

800
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: um unexplored. I think this is going to be on

801
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: the mind of a lot of people who have tuned

802
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: into the show. Uh. I mentioned as a mandy as earlier,

803
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: that's that's where we might end up with some half

804
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: done work on the moon. But in this case deep

805
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: in the ink. I suggest that we um that we

806
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: all think of the quotation by the infamous poet Abdul

807
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: al Hazred, which is this that is not dead, which

808
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: kind of eternal lie and with strange eons even death

809
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: may die. Props to anybody who cares about that line,

810
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: gets that, gets that terrible reference. Um and you know

811
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: the dreamless sleep and so on. But yeah, what what

812
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: will what will those ramifications be now? I would say

813
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: that the fracking science history has proven was the initial

814
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: stuff was largely made in bad faith, or it was

815
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: constrained in such a way that they were setting up

816
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: this very um ideal set of conditions. And we know,

817
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: we know that companies involved in fracking were fully aware

818
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: of the possibility manufacturing earthquakes, the possibility of poisoning drinking water,

819
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: and they went ahead with it. So it's it's troubling.

820
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: It's a troubling precedent, you know. And I don't want

821
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: to say that this is this means that these folks

822
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: are themselves acting in bad faith. I'm just saying, overall,

823
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: humans don't have the best track record, and by the

824
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: time some of these things come to light or are

825
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledged, that damage is done. You know what I mean.

826
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: The the imagine human beings. Thanks to these mining projects,

827
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: discover new classes of extreme aphiles, can discover animals that

828
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: were before just relegated to rumors and tall tales of sailors,

829
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: and we only find them when they're dead. You know,

830
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: that's a kick. I think that's kicking, the kicking the tentacles,

831
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: um flicking the blowhole there, you know what I mean? Yes,

832
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: I agreed. Jumping back in here, guys, I don't want

833
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: every Look, you've already written your hate mail. I get it.

834
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: You heard me say that I think about the animals.

835
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: It's cool, but listen, just listen. We're in a pretty

836
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: bad state right now. If we, you know, as a species,

837
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: want to continue living. It seems a lot like we

838
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: need to do some things to move the needle when

839
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: it comes to how we get energy and use energy

840
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: on the planet. If this is one step towards those

841
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: goals and you know, saving humanity, I'm down with it.

842
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be some problems, and you know, we're

843
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: talking about deaths of potentially millions of animals, if not more.

844
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: That's terrible. But does it save us maybe? Okay with that? Sorry,

845
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion. This is where I'm at

846
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: right now. Guys. Okay, I have a son. I gotta

847
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: think about him. He's cutting off cutting off a limb

848
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: to save the body. Yeah, I mean, that's that's at

849
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: least that's the argument. And I'm not saying I agree

850
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: with that, But if that is, if that is true, right,

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Speaker 1: and that is what the actual aims are and it

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Speaker 1: could get us there, then I am interested in pursuing that.

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Speaker 1: But what you should listen to. Are the experts in

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Speaker 1: this field, and they've signed a petition that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's not do this, guys. You can head on over

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Speaker 1: to Sea bed Mining Science Statement dot org and read

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Speaker 1: a statement from marine experts calling for deep sea mining

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Speaker 1: to not occur. Just not petition safe. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a petition, but I'm not being I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: be a debbut downer. I just yeah, they're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about petitions. I know, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a bottom line here, right, and there's

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Speaker 1: there's potential there were there's there's a lot of potential

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Speaker 1: things going on here. If you go to the very

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Speaker 1: bottom of that page, you can find peer review journal resources,

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Speaker 1: which is I would say one of the best places

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Speaker 1: to start if you want to be serious about this

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Speaker 1: and you don't want to just read headlines in an article.

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Speaker 1: UM highly recommend going there and doing that and you'll

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Speaker 1: learn why. In you know, two years time from now,

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Speaker 1: when the first deep sea bed mining occurs, we unearth

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Speaker 1: the alien civilization that has been here the whole time,

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Speaker 1: and they were underneath those events. To paraphrase the old adage,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should let sleeping gods lie. But but you're right.

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Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I would say in response

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Speaker 1: to that argument of um endangering a portion of life

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Speaker 1: to save something else, to save the greater portion or

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Speaker 1: the life that humans tend to prioritize, is that argument

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Speaker 1: is a little tougher to maintain when you realize the

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Speaker 1: marine ecosystem is already at a crisis point and it

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Speaker 1: is part of a larger, interconnected system. It's not discreet,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't exist on it. So and but that's where

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Speaker 1: we are. Are we blow up the moon, drill in

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Speaker 1: the sea, send in the clowns. This is a pretty

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Speaker 1: good show this week. Just like the clowns, the aliens

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Speaker 1: are already there there the whole time, under the events.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's fascinating, Everything that we've named today,

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Speaker 1: everything we've explored today, is going to have repercussions in

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Speaker 1: the future. I'm really interested to see how this develops.

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Speaker 1: And Matt, you know, you point out something I think

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Speaker 1: I'll have astute listeners clocked as well. In just two

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Speaker 1: years time, right twenty, there are people who claim they're

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Speaker 1: going to be mining the moon, and people who claim

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Speaker 1: they're going to be mining the depths of the ocean.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder, I wonder what the I wonder what

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Speaker 1: the future brings. I hope you're still doing this show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from a submarine. Why because because we're in space where

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Speaker 1: we're a submarine in space? Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what we want we want to hear, you know,

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Speaker 1: it would be great. It'd be great to hear from

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Speaker 1: some folks in Singapore and see how those story has

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Speaker 1: been reported there about the about the ill fated marketing

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Speaker 1: of that academy. It also would be great to hear

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Speaker 1: from people who are already associated with resource extraction operations

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Speaker 1: in a maritime environment, you know, on oil platforms for instance.

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Speaker 1: It'd be great to hear from people who are involved

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Speaker 1: in the aerospace. Indus tree is it Is it a

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Speaker 1: pipe dream to to imagine mining resources from the Moon

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Speaker 1: in a economically feasible way? And what do all these

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