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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john S Allen and

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Speaker 1: Chris is having conversations with influencers in the sports world

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Speaker 1: and entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're

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Speaker 1: not coo then to kJ Live. Today's guest on the

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Speaker 1: show was a five time and be a All Star,

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Speaker 1: the first winner of the John R. Wooden Award. One

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Speaker 1: of the most classy individuals that we all have ever known.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Let's welcome my dad, Marcus Johnson to

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Speaker 1: the show. What's up, m J? Well, I thank you

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Speaker 1: for that that positive introduction. Good classiest guys. Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: take it. I'll take all of it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: You've always been one of the classiest guys. And everywhere

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Speaker 1: I've traveled around the world, man, whether it be basketball

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Speaker 1: journey or wherever I was, and and people got wind

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Speaker 1: that I was your son, Marcus john Today just have

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Speaker 1: this thing about your brother all over the globe. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: People light up, they remember you, they love you, and

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Speaker 1: they they always talk about how you represent yourself. I

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Speaker 1: want to know m J about how your week started,

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Speaker 1: because I know that we're supposed to find out some

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Speaker 1: very important information this week, some very important news from

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Speaker 1: some very important people. Talk to me. Well, I'll let

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Speaker 1: I'll let this recording kind of do the talking initially

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Speaker 1: that we can follow up and talk more about it.

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Speaker 1: So this is how my week started off on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me queue it up here and here

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Speaker 1: we go. I'm Mr Johnson. This is John to Leiva

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Speaker 1: at the National Memorial Basketball or Fame calling. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: to call and tell you today that you did not

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Speaker 1: receive the amount of required boats to be elected a

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Speaker 1: member of the However, you remain eligible for a future

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Speaker 1: of consideration, but I did want to reach out to

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Speaker 1: you and let you know that unfortunately, Uh, it's obviously

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Speaker 1: the number of US necessary this year. We will look

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Speaker 1: forward to your consideration next year, and I wish you well.

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Speaker 1: Take care. All right, So that's my week started. I

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Speaker 1: got that phone call. That was interesting, Chris, because I

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Speaker 1: but I didn't I didn't I didn't answer. I stayed

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Speaker 1: I didn't know which way it was gonna go. Your

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Speaker 1: mind kind of racing at that point. Did I make it?

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Speaker 1: Did not make it? Is this the years? It's not

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Speaker 1: sometimes my phone delays voicemail messages for hours. You got

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Speaker 1: to clear some memory up on your phone, your memory,

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Speaker 1: clear memory, bro. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got all kind of issues going on, and I've got, like,

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Speaker 1: I've got us eight three sixty three voicemail messages and

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Speaker 1: like up about thirty thousand, third thousand, right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so anyway, so, uh so I didn't I was not

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Speaker 1: third tongue. I forget getting this phone call. But the

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Speaker 1: then finally, so I tried to call the number back,

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever play the game. Why

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Speaker 1: end of the Basketball Hall of Fame for you? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually it's really interesting. Um. One thing that

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Speaker 1: but with the passing of my mother, your grandmother, grandmommy,

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Speaker 1: years old. So I went diametrically opposed to that polar

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Speaker 1: What is that way? Ware yaf you? Anyway, So the

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Speaker 1: praying with her, and I'm praying like an old country

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Speaker 1: We got one more trip to make. Ma dear, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with where I am in my life. I'm

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Speaker 1: and and and what happened with him down and in Bolivia.

426
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: He had attended a different drugs. You know, we're seeing

427
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: that this is this is not an issue that was

428
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: just uhies issue or nineties. This is something that continues

429
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: to plague our society. I'll say this about the seventies, eighties,

430
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: in the nineties to a certain extent. You know, it's

431
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: sort of set the foundation for today because you have

432
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: so many people that are curious nowadays that have you know,

433
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: in my generation, you know a lot more people use

434
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: cocaine than you you could believe in my generation, and

435
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: I was always shocked to find it out that so

436
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: and so was doing it, and it was doing and

437
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: people were doing it back and when I was in college,

438
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: they were doing it pro overseas and it's been throughout

439
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: So this is so, but you just don't know because

440
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: it's one of those unspoken things like unless you're getting

441
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: unless you're getting down, you really don't know who is

442
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: getting down unless you get round too, And so it's

443
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: one of those things. But but I think at the

444
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's remarkably fascinating, a remarkably fascinating

445
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: discussion to talk about what if what if a drug

446
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: that was proven to hamper physical performance wasn't being taken

447
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: at the time, what what your career might have looked like?

448
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that or reflect on that? No,

449
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean I don't because, like I mentioned to you,

450
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: what I did at the point in time that I

451
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: did it, where my where my head was mentally at

452
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: that stage of my life. I mean, how do I

453
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: articulate this properly? But you know, again, it was it

454
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: was something that was done too, especially when you crossed

455
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 1: what we called the invisible line of recovery. And now

456
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: you're getting loaded because not because you want to recreationally

457
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and having a good time, but because you're you know,

458
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: you're addicted, and so you're you're you know, you've got

459
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: this this monkey on your back that you gotta be

460
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: on a regular basis um. But at the same time,

461
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't know. I don't know what

462
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: might have happened. And to me, the point in speculating

463
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: on what would have happened if that were not a

464
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: part of things that were going on. It's been a

465
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: big part. I grew up in I grew up in

466
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: the an Eric Chris in the nineteen seventies, early were

467
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: super Fly, the Mac, all these movies, I mean, drug

468
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: used cocaine. It was glamorized and what you would you

469
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: idolize It comes from the glamorization of those types of deals.

470
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: And again everybody didn't do it. But I had this

471
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: really fertile imagination. So you saw pictures of me going

472
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: to my prom with your mom. I was super Fly,

473
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: I was the Mac. I was that dude. I was

474
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: bringing a little I was I was bringing a little

475
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: ten of liquorice favorites that I bought that I bought

476
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: it Donald Donald Michelle's boutique on Santa Barbara Boulevard now

477
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: King Bulop, but it was, it was, it was, it was.

478
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: It was no narcotic whatsoever. It was basic, harmless snuff.

479
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: But I go to Crenshall High School and had a

480
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: little spoon attached to the tent crisp, and I take

481
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: out a little white powder in the class and I do,

482
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I do my I go through my superply thing. Can

483
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: I tell you something? I can I tell share something

484
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: with you that this to show you how stupid we

485
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: are as individuals. Okay, so you're doing that, So listen

486
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: to this. When I'm in Atlanta and when I was

487
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade where my mom went down, we're

488
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: down there living with Glinda and her and we started

489
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: we started off living in College Park in the hood,

490
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: living with her sister and her kids. So we're there

491
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 1: and I'm going to you know, Ronald need McNair kind

492
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: of in the hood named after that astronaut. I'm going

493
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: to school with like several members of the band Escaped

494
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: there in my remember Escape the band, Candy Burgess and

495
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: all that. So so I'm just trying to set the stage.

496
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: This is who's in my class. You know, it's hood

497
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: stuff going on. So I get involved. So a lot

498
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: of the kids in my class were selling dope. We're

499
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: selling weed, so so I had I had the bright

500
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: eye there. You know, I wanted to get in on

501
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: the game. So I started. I Glinda in her bathroom

502
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: had these things like I guess pot pourri o that

503
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: stuff that. So I started feeling them with bags like

504
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: little dime bags. I started taking out of school and Dad,

505
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason I was kicked out of

506
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: that school since we're down there too, because it was

507
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: like a body of work. So it wasn't the exciting

508
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: incident and that's another podcast. But it wasn't that exciting

509
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: incident that you remember that got me kicked out. It

510
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: was the body of work. Haven't getting this stuff and

511
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: this but but but the glamorization of it. That that

512
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: the rap music what I grew up on rap music video,

513
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: they were glorifying this. It was glorified to be you

514
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: having your your pants sag and selling dime bags with

515
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: a wife beater or your hat to the back. That

516
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: was what folks was really looking up to. Well, I'm listening, tons,

517
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: if I ruled the world, he's talking about, you know,

518
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the cocaine, and you know, cocaine is not ununcut bricks

519
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: a row. Yeah. Yeah, And so that gives young people

520
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: who have a proclevity for that kind of thing just

521
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a of a push to

522
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: go into that kind of thing. And it's funny you

523
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: mentioned that because at Crenshaw when I was snorting this

524
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: snuff in the back of the class, this is one

525
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: brother Tommy, I want to say his last name, but

526
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: he was. He was one of those fast dudes, had brothers,

527
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: older brothers that were that were into the life. And

528
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: so he saw me doing He's like, like, you know, Marcus,

529
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: let me get some of that. I said, yeah, non,

530
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: go ahead, man. He took a little too, you know,

531
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: He's like, oh man, this this nice man, this nice man.

532
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: What can I get some of this? You know? And

533
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have the heart to tell him Dona Michelle's

534
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: boutiques for the clinics for the canaster liquid. But but

535
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: but I look back on the Chris and it was

536
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: with the greats of guy. I mean, if I had

537
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: got caught doing that, I mean I was a start

538
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: after you that Crenshaw said. Thompson, the future future superintendent

539
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: of schools, was our principal. He probably would have had

540
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: a little leniency on me. But you know what I mean,

541
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: it was just by the grades of God that that

542
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing didn't blow up my face. But the

543
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: point is I idolized those movie characters that I went

544
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: to the ball with theater Saturday afternoon, Matinee's watching Superflyer,

545
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: watching the Mac, watching all these hustler type uh black

546
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: sploitation film uh protagonist watching. But the message was always

547
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: good because they were always going against the white man.

548
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: They was always trying to overcome with the with the

549
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: corrupt police department. So it was all about corruption. They

550
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: weren't the only ones that were doing corrupt stuff. They

551
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: were usually battling a corrupt system and trying to make

552
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: make a living and earn a living within a corrupt system,

553
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: even though it was not the right way to go

554
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: about it. So anyway, yeah, that's some great points. Um.

555
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about the Clippers

556
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: because you posted something the other day and this was

557
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: this was an interesting kind of a dark time. Well

558
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: it could be looked at a couple of ways, but

559
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: for me, it was sort of a dark time when

560
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you got traded to the Clippers. But I was happy

561
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: on win end that you were home. So that part

562
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: of it was like, oh man, my dad's back. But

563
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: then the other part of it was you're with l

564
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: A's other team, the Clippers. You posted the losing time

565
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Tales from the Graveyard. It was with yeah, losing time

566
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Tales from the NBA Graveyard. And I had a kid

567
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: on here who was a die hard Clippers fan. His

568
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: name is Dime Droppers, so he has no he really

569
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: is not in team with what happened back then, or

570
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: how you guys live and how you guys practice. Far

571
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: younger listeners just talk about just to start contrast between

572
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: ownership styles of a Steve Bomber and Donald's sterling well,

573
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and so then you gotta throw Jerry Buss in there too,

574
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: because that's that was that was that was a contrast

575
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: for us, how he was taking care of the Lakers

576
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: first sterling training camps at Santa Barbara Resorts, Hawaii, MGM

577
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: plane flying the games on the first team. You have

578
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: private air travel. What we were doing when I got

579
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: to the Clippers, we had training camp down in in

580
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: hot ass Pomona, cal poly Pomona, Uh, you know, and

581
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: we we were staying at and this is no exaggeration

582
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: this is the actual truth. It was either it was

583
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: it was either Motel six or Ecouno Lige. But it's

584
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: one of those little it was her condo lodge with

585
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: the papers in walls and everybody parked out front and

586
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: every you know. It was that's that's that was our

587
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: housing practicing at cal Poly Pomona. Our practice facility during

588
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: the season was at the Wine Guard Y c a

589
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: on on Central and and and Century and Vermont. That

590
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: was it was a bible, a brand new why it

591
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: was actually pretty nice. But but but but inside um,

592
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's the deep heart of south central Vermont

593
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and Central. But but but the court, great floor to

594
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: jump off up. But one of the rims was probably

595
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: nine seriously fine feat The other rims by nine and

596
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: a half feat the realm weren't not the low rim

597
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: but not not just the low rims, but the super

598
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: low rims, the crazy low rims. This is where this

599
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: is our practice facility. Donald Sterling at that point he

600
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: had at least five or six, maybe more lawsuits against

601
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: norm Nixon, Don Cheney, I believe, Michael Cage. But over

602
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: five hundred dollar moving expenses, Norm I believe moved from

603
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: San Diego with the Clippers to Los Angeles, moved his

604
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: stuff up, build the Clippers four hundred dollars and moving

605
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: stuff up. Donald Sterling took him the court, Donald Sterling,

606
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: Donald Sterling, he had a he had a he had

607
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: a just a bevy of attorneys on retainers. So it

608
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: didn't cost him any more money to you know, find

609
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: the lawsuit to the pay you four hundred. I'll pay

610
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: you two hundred. Okay, let's settle this. It's go cost

611
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: me more to you know. It was it was that

612
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of mindset and so just coming into that, not

613
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: only that, I mean my first Christmas with the Clippers,

614
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: we were at Donald Sterling's Malibu house where has his

615
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: white parties, and this wasn't a white party. This was

616
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: a of the Christmas party. But he had a Santa

617
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: clause there and so we're all. I had my my, my,

618
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: my black suit with the red pinch stripes, black shirt,

619
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: red tie. I mean, I'm sharp. And the media relations guy,

620
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Josh to get his last name, he was a ball

621
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: boy for the Lakers back in the day, so I've

622
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: known him for a long time. But he's now the

623
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: media relations guy for the Clippers. He's like, Marcus, uh,

624
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: and we need you to sit on Santa claus His lap.

625
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I like, Josh, fuck you man, I'm not sitting on

626
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Santa's lap and I'm not growing ass fan. What do

627
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: you He's like, Marcus, I'm gonna lose my job. Donald's

628
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna fire me unless I get all the players to

629
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: take an individual picture with Santa Claus. And so I

630
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: felt for Josh. I went I was saying, I sat

631
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: on his lap. I think I kicked his hat off

632
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: and palmed his head. Find that Find that picture. I

633
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: think I palmed his head and gave a little sarcastic look.

634
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: But I did it, you know. But that was just

635
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: the That was the the guys coming into the locker

636
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: room after games looking at our private parts. That part,

637
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: So that part is that part. No no, no no, no

638
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: no no, that part because you hear so much that

639
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: you hear so much, did you at any time like

640
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Donald Sterling was racist or had racist tendencies, or did

641
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: you feel like at any time that you know, you

642
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: guys were really being treated in some voyeuristic type of

643
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, the type of fashion where they were the

644
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: owner ownership group comes in after the game, you guys

645
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: are showering. Then they're just staring looking around at your

646
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: dicks and ship like that for for thirty minutes after

647
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: the game. Did that really? Is that real stuff? Or

648
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: is this sort of I don't know, it's just like, dude,

649
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: why didn't nobody say nothing? Why didn't nobody say nothing

650
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: at the time? Because of the bread Well, I mean,

651
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: who you gonna say something too? I mean, that's a

652
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: good point, you know. Um. And it wasn't like they

653
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: were touching you or or or making overt kind of

654
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: passes that they were just googling and looking and just

655
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: happy to be there, you know. And and and and

656
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: and I remember Donald Sterling in the in the l

657
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: a Times magazine interview that he did back in the eighties,

658
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and they asked him if he thought of his players

659
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: that were one of the Clippers as his sons, and

660
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: he's like, oh no, oh gosh, no, I think of

661
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: them as like racehorses. If they get injured, then the

662
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: one gets injured, you replace them with another. So in

663
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: terms of actually just blatant overt racism, that wasn't the feeling.

664
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: But when you look back on it, Chris, it was

665
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: this abject humiliation of an atmosphere that was created where

666
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: you never felt like you were appreciated for the gifted,

667
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: elite level athletes that we were back in those days.

668
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: Now they're Dr Buzz. On another hand, he made his

669
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: players feel appreciated and he showed him that appreciation through

670
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: how he paid him, how he treated them their travel

671
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: first class, this, first class that, and so that may

672
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: not only them want to play for him, but also

673
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: made it easier to attract free agents to come in

674
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: because his reputation was so excused upun sterling, you know,

675
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: in terms of how he treated his players. And so

676
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: that's why I got a problem with with the with

677
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the with the with the winning time. And look at

678
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: John c Riley, he's doing a remarkable job playing John

679
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: c Riley. As as as as Jerry Bust, He's not

680
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: Jerry bus b at all. Not Jerry Buss had a

681
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: level of humility the I to see Jerry I see

682
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: Dr Bus on several on two or three occases, not

683
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: several two or three at at the at the bridge

684
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: and this is the bridge just built later. I'm not

685
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: even sure if he was still ownership of the Lakers.

686
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: I forgot what his position was, but he'd come in

687
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: there with like he comeing like twenty of the most

688
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: South central little black kids that you can imagine, running

689
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: all over the place. You know, he's by And I said,

690
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: Dr Buss, what's you know? Dr Bus? What's going on?

691
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: You know? My markets? Yeah know, this is something that

692
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I do every weekend. I take a group of kids

693
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: from this one particular uh spot. I don't know if

694
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: I forget where it was exactly of a boys club,

695
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: maybe one of the boys clubs or something the inner city.

696
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: But he would do this every weekend. He take them

697
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: to him Matt nay and and and treat him to

698
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, popcorn, you know, just show him a good time.

699
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: And nobody ever knew about that. That was the never

700
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: publicized but but that's who Dr Buss was, and that's

701
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: why the other but but the other side of Dr Bus.

702
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: We're hanging out at the Trupidor nightclub on mail Rose

703
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: with the hottest spots in l A. And it's me

704
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: and Warren Moon and James Shack Garrison and all these

705
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: top notch local athletes of the day. Dr Bus walks

706
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: in Chris with two of the finest blonds you've ever

707
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: laid your eyes on about twenty years old, and he's

708
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: in his sixties maybe then fifties, sixty, whatever he is.

709
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: He comes in with the open shirt, the jeans and

710
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the sport coach. So the to the blonds come in

711
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: and they're and they're being sociable. They're talking to all

712
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: of us, and we're like, you know, we're doing our

713
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: thing to try and get numbers and all that. And

714
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: as soon as he walks out the spot, they just

715
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: dropped us cold, like, oh, Jerry's leaving, we gotta go

716
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: foo and we're like, hey, hey, wait, hey, hey, owner

717
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: money is a little different than player money. And then

718
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: they don't changing new what time it was. Look the

719
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: look Dr Buss was the man. Okay, look look look

720
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: when I was a dog, I was nine, when I

721
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: was in eighteen nineteen, Uh, I was young. I can't

722
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: remember the age. But I had a babysitter. I don't

723
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but she was she was dealing

724
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: with Dr Buss and I would hear about all kinds

725
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: of stuff about Dr Buss and these parties. But just

726
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: how nice of a man that he was. And I

727
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: haven't and this thing with winning time, dude, like this

728
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: whole thing about Jerry West really bogged bugs me. Like

729
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I get portraying someone as complicated and you know, has

730
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: a lot of demons inside of him, But I feel

731
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: like this portrayal of West, or at least in the

732
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: first in the early part of the series, was unfair.

733
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I knew he was somebody that you looked up to

734
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: as a young ster. You but you're a big ye.

735
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember being young, you talked about Jerry

736
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: West making Um, what was that he made? The What

737
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: shot did he make back in the finals? Yeah, sixty

738
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: three forter gets to know whatever, But I just I

739
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: just remember, I just remember you telling me the story

740
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: of best shot. Well, yeah, but but that was just that.

741
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: But even with that shot that, it's more the he

742
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: got the nickname Mr Clutch because you're watching him on

743
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: local TV and l A. Chick Hern is doing the broadcast.

744
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: I must have watched him knocked down. I'm probably exaggerated,

745
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: but doesn't seem like it. Fifteen to twenty game winners,

746
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, that's in the game and overtime, the wins.

747
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Jumpers at the jumpers in the last three seconds, five

748
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: seconds at the But he was he was a guy

749
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: that just never missed that game winning shot, and so

750
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: growing up in l a El jib Baylor because of

751
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: his hang time and his athleticism and the great spins

752
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, he was a guy really related to.

753
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: But I idolized Jerry West because of his ability to

754
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: step up in the clutch and hit hit those game

755
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: winners the way he was capable of doing. And so

756
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I got to know him. You know, I've got to

757
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: do him a bit over the years. And to me, again,

758
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm on a different level because of who I became

759
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: as an athlete, NBA All Star and all that, So

760
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure he relates to me differently than some other people.

761
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: But he's always crisp, been one of the most self effacing, kindest, nicest.

762
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I just saw him this past season. I took a

763
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: photo of him and that and that Red Clipper switter.

764
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: So I can't get used to him in Red. But

765
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: he's still my guy. But but but you know, we

766
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: I told him that grandma had passed away. We played

767
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: the uh we played the Clippers whenever that was get

768
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: in February whatever it was. So my mom had just

769
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: died and he sat me down and he talked to

770
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: me a good We didn't have a lot of time

771
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: five or seven minutes about how when when his parents died,

772
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: how he felt, how long it took him over there,

773
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, just just spent time with me, and I

774
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: just so appreciate over the years. Uh, Jerry was he

775
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: was actually going to sign me with the Lakers when

776
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: I was after that hurt my neck. My boy Morloc

777
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: and I were working out every day at U c

778
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: l A. I got in great shape, and the Lakers

779
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: had an open spotter on nineteen eight six and I

780
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: got hurt eighties seven, got hurt in eighty six or

781
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: nineteen seven, and he was gonna sign me. Came down

782
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: and watched me work out. But I believe that the

783
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Clippers had a had a had a spy in the

784
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: mix that came and saw me work out and asked

785
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: me what I was doing working out too hard? And

786
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: and my boy Miley kind of let the cat out

787
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: the bag. Yeah, Jerry Winns is interested in markets. Man.

788
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: They don't Lakers go side markets. And then the Clippers,

789
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: who were really open to allow me to get out

790
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: of my contract with them, Uh, they reverse course and

791
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: will not allow me to get out of my contract.

792
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: I believe they found out. I don't know, I don't

793
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: know how what when highway down. But do you think

794
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: you would have been signed by the Lakers and finished

795
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: your career as a Laker that it would have boasted

796
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: your chances to get in the Hall of Fame? Yeah?

797
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, look, you know God willing,

798
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: I got this shirt on for a reason. Why in

799
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: sha whatever God's plan was, it happened. So you don't

800
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: know I could have got to the Lakers, you know,

801
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: you know I just had went through the drowning death

802
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: of your brother uh in n seven Marcus jr. Um

803
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: um uh in in May. I mean, you just don't

804
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: know what might have happened. Despite of the nine eight,

805
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Tony Cabell was the guy that wild up getting signed

806
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: by the Lakers. Who it might have been? You can

807
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: you can see when he won they won a championship

808
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: ship that year. You know, the Forum was right by

809
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: the Inglewood Cemetery where your where your brother was buried,

810
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: and I was there at his his grave site when

811
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers won the championship and everybody comes storming out

812
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: of the Forum. I'm sitting there at the grave site

813
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: watching all the excitement at the forum. But you know,

814
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: just I mean, it was one of the you know,

815
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: one of the most down moments of my life, just

816
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: watching that, knowing that I could have been a part

817
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: of that championship. But so anyway, but but but but

818
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, handspace, Maybe the pressure of being

819
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: a Laker would have gotten to me, you know, and

820
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe who knows, you know, drugs may have become a

821
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: factor in that situation. You just don't know. I don't

822
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: know why I didn't work out like that, but I

823
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: gotta believe and trust that there was a good reason

824
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: behind it, behind it not working out, even though at

825
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: the time I was pissed because I really wanted to

826
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: play with magics. I love magic man always had. I

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: can imagine, Man, I can imagine it. I definitely think

828
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: that you're at a stage and your career where you

829
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: could have really contributed. If Tony Campbell or from these

830
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: roster spots are the names of the guys, and you

831
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: definitely could have played that role and excelled in that

832
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: road and potentially win the championship. It's always it's always

833
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: fun to sort of look back on what if you

834
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: know this are basketball culture nowadays, everything's based really on

835
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: that and they do that a lot. Yeah, Fox Sports

836
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,600
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837
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,839
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839
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: s are to listen live. A couple of days ago,

840
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: what's the third of the anniversary of the release of

841
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: White Man Can't Jump? A movie that you started as

842
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: as Raymond and had one of the I truly believe

843
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: seen seeling Steen scene stealing scenes of the time, see

844
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: stealing scenes of all time. Now that character has talked

845
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: about everywhere everywhere, will go growing up since since that

846
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: movie drop. People know you better as Raymond than they

847
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: do as a five time and be author. So first

848
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: of all, I want to know about the inspiration behind

849
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: the character and if they're doing a reboot of the movie. Yeah,

850
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: and if not you, who do you think should play

851
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: the role of Rings? Wow, that's a good question, man,

852
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Um Well, I mean the character Raymond Dickens was based

853
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: on one of the first guys to go from high

854
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: school to the prose guy by the name of Reggie

855
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: Hardy out of Detroit. Uh. He was a guy that

856
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: you heard, um this one particular story when you first

857
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: got into the NBA. How he went into a neighborhood

858
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: liquor store with a mask on the robin at seven

859
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: ft tall, and the guy behind the counter said, you know,

860
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: come on, Reggie man, and you know, I know that's you.

861
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Man just supposedly said this ain't met. And that was

862
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of how the story went. And so when I

863
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: first saw the when I first saw the the dialogue

864
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: the way it was written by by the great Ron Shelton,

865
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: before I even auditioned, I knew exactly what they were

866
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: based on the character on. And so when I went

867
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: into audition with Ron Shelton and Wesley Snipes, there was

868
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: a part in the in the in the in the

869
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: in the partial script they give you call sides that

870
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: talked about Raymond pulls out of blade. And so I

871
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: went to your grandfather's Barbara box. He was a master Barbara,

872
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: my dad Jeff and and and got one of his

873
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: razors straight rangers and and practiced for like a week

874
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: on opening up that thing with one hand. Because I

875
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: saw that cool, that cool move with back in the day,

876
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: like like what is that from the West Side story? No, No,

877
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: that that that that particular move. I saw a movie

878
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: called j D's Revenge and it was one actor, and

879
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it was Glenn Term. I think it

880
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: was just the original j D. But as one actor.

881
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: I think he was also in the Five Heart Beats,

882
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: playing the barber and then running And when Robert towlenging

883
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: and goes to the scafford, his uncle is, so, what

884
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: are you talking about this work? It wasn't acting. They

885
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: have a good heart to heart conversation, but I think

886
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: it was that actor. But anyway, he does this move

887
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: with this with this one handed moved with the straight

888
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: ranger that I thought was the coolest thing. And in

889
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: the world. You know you glamorized. You know what your idolized.

890
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: You know you're with glamorized, you idolized. So I saw

891
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: the way he opened up that straight ranger, saboom, this

892
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do in this scene. So I

893
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: went into the to the audition having practiced that move,

894
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: and got to that part. I pulled out the straight

895
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: range out of my pocket from Grand Grandpaul's barber box,

896
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: sharpest sharpest of the board of health, this razor and

897
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: opened up in one hand. I'm chasing Wesley Snipes around

898
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: the office with it. You know, motherfucker, I kill you

899
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: this I get, you know, and acted all just crazy

900
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: and ghetto and stuff, and so did. Ron Schalton's like, okay, cut, cut, cut,

901
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: you got the arn't you got the part? But when

902
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: we shoot this for real, leave that fucking razer at home.

903
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna kill somebody with that kind of laughing. And

904
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: what's excite? Was like, yeah, hell you do what the

905
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: all you're doing? Man? You know? And so but I

906
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: got That's how I got the part. But but but

907
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest experiences of my life. Wesley Snipe,

908
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: why Harelson. I mean, you know, I run into them,

909
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: especially Wesley Um over the years and and and that's

910
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: always gonna be a bonding thing for me, and and

911
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: Kevin Benton and Dave Robos and my teammate. We played

912
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: golf together at Pinbour Golf Course over the over the years,

913
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: two or three times a year. I mean, So, Nigiel Miguel,

914
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean, all the guys that you knew and grew

915
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: up with you were in that movie you had on

916
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: the green Baseball had with the with the great sweatshirt

917
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: right at the at the big part. Jets, Jets, had

918
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: a Warrior swist shirt. You were at that movie. And

919
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: then and then my nephew, your cousin Carmpton is like

920
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: watching The Juggler. They need some cute little you know,

921
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, cute little kids to kind of watch The Juggler.

922
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: And he's like one of the kids kind of on.

923
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: So you know, we we we we we parlayed that

924
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: as well as we that of my family. Never forget

925
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: um in between takes my hanging out with Rosie Peretz.

926
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: So she just took a liking. She took a liking

927
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: to me. You're fourteen fifteen, you know, she took a

928
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: liking to me though, and so every single time she

929
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: had a break, we're over there talking. I was sitting

930
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: there talking to Road just about whatever. But you know,

931
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm young, so it's that innocent conversation. But I made

932
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: sure to kind of stay close to Rug and that

933
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: that experience was amazing because just to be able to

934
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: see like how movies are made, the magic behind it all,

935
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and you just to be on a set and understand

936
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: the process. And then were there any I guess, was

937
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: there any negative feedback that came out of that role,

938
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: Like did people not understand like how good of an

939
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: actor you were or did they think you really like

940
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: I know a lot of dudes man like like I

941
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: like my basketball peers. That duck didn't know you was like, man,

942
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: I see why you so crazy, Chris. I'm gonna dude,

943
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: this is roll. I'm like, dude, it's a roll really

944
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: like but everybody but to be like Chris, I see

945
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: you crazy? Your daddy man, Yeah, I'm like dog. That

946
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: was that he was acting bro right right well. And

947
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: the funny part about I actually started to take a

948
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: really powerful acting uh class under Rick Edelstein, who was

949
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: Barber stri Strikes Sands acting coach, and then the animal

950
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: re Horsford and and and and Hill Harper and all

951
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: these great actors he's worked with, Antonio Vargas, uh, Pat

952
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Marita from Karate Kid. All these guys started under Rick Edelstein,

953
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: and so all I look at my scene and I know,

954
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: after working with Rick for the twenty years I was

955
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: with him, I would have done it differently. You instead

956
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna go to my car, get mother gun

957
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: come back, Yeah, I'd have been like, I'm gonna go

958
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: to my car. I'm gonna get mother gun I'm coming back.

959
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm shooting everybody's ass. I'm shooting you know, ide i'ld

960
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: have done something different, you know, at the time, you know,

961
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: and what I did work, But but I look back

962
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: on announced. But but but you know, for me, um,

963
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: the one thing, a couple of things. Lewis Price sing

964
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: with the Temptations, he played the King and Duck with

965
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: Freeman Williams, that final scene Lewis Price, and I was

966
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: just thinking about this this morning. He came to me

967
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: after watching my scene or I forgot what at what

968
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: point it was, but exactually before I did the scene,

969
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: and his suggestion to be was to not curse in

970
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: the scene, don't use curse scores, no profanity. And it

971
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: was the craziest suggestion in my mind that he could

972
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: bring to me. And I'm like, you know, funk that

973
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, this character is perfect. But looking back on

974
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: that now, you know, I wish I would have taken

975
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: another look at how to play that scene, played that

976
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: role without all the motherfucker this and mother you know

977
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: all that, which is okay, I mean, it is what

978
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: it is. But the other thing, Chris, is that Mark Gottfried,

979
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: your assistant coach at U c l A. After the

980
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: movie came out, he came up to me, Chris and said, Marcus,

981
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: me and my wife saw the movie and we prayed

982
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: for you. We prayed for you, man. We just you know,

983
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: we got our needs and just prayed for you. I'd say, Mark, Man,

984
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: it was a character, brother, that's all I mean. I mean,

985
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's a character that's a hundred and

986
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: eighty degrees different. But I understand what he was what

987
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: he was saying, and a lot of it had to

988
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: do with the profanity of the language, what was being

989
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: projected on the screen again, you know, yeah, you idolized,

990
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: was being glamorized, and so I think he was coming

991
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: more from that perspective than anything. So yeah, it was

992
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: some some interesting um uh, it got some interesting receptions

993
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: for people. But but for the most part, everybody kind

994
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: of understood that it was I got, I got, I

995
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: got nominated for an espe that that was a year.

996
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: That was the year that that Schefski they helped tell

997
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: her about bottle up on the stage and I'm sitting

998
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: in the front row and one of those kinds of deals.

999
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome, man. Um I don't know about

1000
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: Gottfried and the prayer thing like that, understanding not understanding

1001
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: that you know that ship ain't real, like come on

1002
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: and regardless, regardless, like there's been worse stuff. But anyway,

1003
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into that. But staying on the

1004
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: acting front, were you watching the Oscars when Will Smith

1005
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: walked up to Chris Rock and slapped the ship out

1006
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: of him? Oh? Yeah, I saw that. What was your

1007
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: initial thought on that? And and now that we know

1008
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the details behind it, and we've read

1009
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: people like Kareem i'bdul Jabbar coming out and I haven't

1010
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: seen Kareem's Yeah, I just you know that that will

1011
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: embarrass the black community. It's just a bunch of stud

1012
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of a bunch of sort of your generational

1013
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: type ideals that i'd expect to hear from like Bill

1014
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: Cosby and these types of folks, this new generation, like

1015
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: my generation. I'm not trying to hear that, Like we're

1016
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: not here to give a funk about what they think,

1017
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like a different

1018
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: type of thought process, caring versus what they think versus

1019
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: not caring what they think. I want to ask you

1020
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: as someone from that generation, and what do you think

1021
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: about that? And do you think that what Will Smith

1022
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: did was an embarrassment to the black community as a whole? Man,

1023
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: um Man, that's a good question, you know, And I

1024
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: think it's hard to take what he did out of

1025
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: the context of what's the red table around what's this thing?

1026
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: And he and Jada the business has been put out there,

1027
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: and that she messed around with his sons. Yeah, you know,

1028
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: if you can't not leave out the context where this

1029
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: guy's mindset is dealing with this woman. But we both

1030
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: know going through relationships with women, you know, when you

1031
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: get strong, it's no telling what you might do. You

1032
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: gotta look at it from from that perspective. More so

1033
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: than just Will Smith actor respectable guy. He just will

1034
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Will has got some tumultuous type of of emotions going

1035
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: on in this relationship. This was I thought, and I'm

1036
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: just playing pop psychologists here, but hit his way to

1037
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: get some brownie points, because you know when he when

1038
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: Chris Rock first made the joke, We'll kind of laughed

1039
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: at it. And then you can see Jada and she

1040
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: just you know, and I told a friend of my

1041
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: life she might have told him he needed his ass whipped.

1042
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: You know, he might have said that under breath. You

1043
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: never know. Oh he needed his ass for that, you know,

1044
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: and so will Hey. You know, oh I got I

1045
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: got a chance to, you know, get some brownie points

1046
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: with my lady and and and show her that I

1047
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: could be as hard as Tupac, who was a good

1048
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: friend of hers back in the day. You know. You know,

1049
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: so he's got a whole lot of stuff that he's

1050
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: trying to live up to, and it just manifested itself

1051
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: with him walking up to Chris Rock and do what

1052
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: he did. Now, do I think he could have handled better? Yeah? Sure,

1053
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: at the at the whatever what the puff that is

1054
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: in the gold party of the Vanity Fair party wherever

1055
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: he was gonna see him later. You know, maybe that

1056
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: was a more appropriate time to do that, as opposed

1057
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: to the front of two or three dred million people

1058
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: around the world watching this thing. Probably, But at the

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00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: same time, I understand Do I agree with it? No?

1060
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: Do I understand where he was coming from right at

1061
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: that moment, I understand completely. I'm not mad at him.

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00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, he came out with the apology and the

1063
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Chris Rock and the apology and this and that, which

1064
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do after the fact. But he got

1065
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: caught up in the moment. Who who of us not

1066
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: have gotten you know, caught up in the moment. Kareem

1067
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 1: got caught up in a moment with Kenn Benton, elbowed him.

1068
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: The first game of our rookie year, my rookie in

1069
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, Green took one Kareem like double over

1070
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and then turn and I'm guarding Jamar Wilkes. I don't

1071
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: see it, but all I year is and I turned

1072
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: around and my boy Ken't Benton was stumbling and Kareem's

1073
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: standing over him. Get up, motherfucker, Get up, mother, I said, Kaem,

1074
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: He's not getting up. Back off, man, He's not getting up.

1075
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: But Kareem had this look like he wants you know.

1076
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: So my point is that the Kareem a bad person, No,

1077
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: he just you know, at that moment, he retaliated over

1078
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: what he perceived to be an injustice. Will Smith retaliated

1079
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: over what he perceived to be an injustice on a

1080
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: national stage, just like that Laker game. Not as national

1081
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: as the game rout today, but it's a public you know,

1082
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: it's a public forum where people say, violence is never

1083
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: the issue this America. We are our whole history is

1084
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: we you know, we assassinate that. That's the part. That's

1085
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: the part that so you know, as we continue to

1086
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: dive into this subject, it's the part that that really

1087
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: is just is amazing to witness. Just we're talking about

1088
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: America and people are talking about a slap and calling

1089
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: it violence and violence is an issue, but you're talking

1090
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: about the country with the greatest military budget in the

1091
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: history of mankind. So yes, it is always an answer.

1092
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: It's just not an answer when you don't want it

1093
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: to be like and think about what they think about

1094
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: the January six incident when you didn't have just a

1095
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: universal just you know, the crying of that thing, and

1096
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: people died, people actually lost their lives, people get a

1097
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: crushed lungs Bursted. I watched the whole documentary. It was

1098
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing. So my thing is like, let's not

1099
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: just let's not pile on and generalize this incident that

1100
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Will Smith had with Chris Rock as an embarrassment to

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: the black community. And that's where it's see a lot

1102
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: of people posting, so you have like people of other

1103
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: racest white Latino Asian post posting this thing, Kareem said

1104
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: that sort of a thing to look black people. This

1105
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: is how you're making your people look. No, man, we

1106
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: gotta stay away from that type of language, that type

1107
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: of thought process, because if we started doing that to

1108
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: other races, then they're gonna call us racist. Then we're

1109
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: getting called out well well, and and then you're also

1110
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, people are individuals, and coach wouldn't coach me.

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00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: Coach Kareem, He's always say, you know, he didn't treat

1112
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: all his players the same because they're not the same.

1113
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: And so Will's reaction, you know, sure, you like you

1114
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: know a union nanomy of a response to that situation.

1115
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: But his reaction was his reaction based on the context

1116
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: of his a Jada's relationship, where his mindset was at

1117
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: the time. You can't leave that part out of the

1118
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: total picture if you're doing if you do, you're doing

1119
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: a disservice to it. The other quick point, Chris is

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00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: that and it reminded me of this free well uh

1121
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: p J callissimo choking into itent But you know, you

1122
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: know what, I wasn't there. I don't agree with it whatever,

1123
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: but I would hear one of our producers. Shortly thereafter,

1124
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: he just went on the soapbox saying, how there's no

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: place for violence in sports whatsoever. You just can't do that.

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: There's no place for violence of sports. So I said, John,

1127
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: what about hockey? He said, well, no, No, hockey is different.

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00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: The fighting in hockey. That's kind of kind of that's

1129
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: a that's a different thing because that that's kind of

1130
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of kind of kind of maked into you know,

1131
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: that's it either is or it isn't. You know, there's

1132
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: no exclusions to the no violence rule. You know that

1133
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: hockey players beat the crap out each other, but you know, anyway,

1134
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: and and so that's kind of I'll leave it at

1135
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: that yet No, I mean yeah, but it truly was

1136
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: a shocking moment. And whatever Will Smith was going through,

1137
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: whatever he you know, I was thinking, these are consequences

1138
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: that he has to deal with and only he has

1139
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: to deal with. So if you can live up, if

1140
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: you can eat the charge for whatever you do, brother,

1141
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

1142
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Right Absolutely not, absolutely not. But man, hey, MJ. I

1143
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: appreciate your time today. Brothers. I'm sorry about the Hall

1144
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: of Fame, but I thank you for for opening it up,

1145
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: sharing that voicemail and giving us some insight to what's

1146
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: going on. Also appreciate you being so transparent about the

1147
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: eighties and you know your your your recovery. That's that's

1148
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: that's true, fascinating well, and I'm always going to be that,

1149
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: especially now because in this this this era that we're

1150
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: living in again, the open goid crisis, especially in the Midwest,

1151
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: with with with with people other than African Americans. Now

1152
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: people are getting a real true sense of the scourge

1153
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: of drug addiction. And I went through it, Chris, and

1154
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: so for me again, I'll be twenty years sober in

1155
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: in a few weeks to be able to come out

1156
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: on the other side of this man and and to

1157
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: have my life be the best life that I've ever lived. Yes,

1158
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame would definitely be the cherry on top,

1159
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't happen, I'm still gonna eat the Sunday.

1160
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: The Sunday is still gonna taste good. Bro, They're gonna

1161
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: be good strawberries, whipped cream, no cherry. I'm fine with that,

1162
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Marcus Johnson