1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, we I'm back on normally. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: The sure with normal one it takes fore the news. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: It's weird. I'm Mary Catherine Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: It is very hard, Mary Catherine to get back into 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: regular news. All I want to do is like watch 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: hostage videos and read stories and hear about families being reunited. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: But like the you know, the world moves on and 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: that's a good thing, but I'm sort of unprepared for it. 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way. 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: It's so rare that you get a just unvarnished good 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: story like twenty live hostages coming home. And we've you 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: and I have been through the Bengaian Airport. We've seen 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: those posters on the sides of the moving side way there. 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: We've seen people tear down posters all over the US, 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: and it is gratifying to see people. 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: By the way. 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: A programming note, if you want to listen to me 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: on the column with Matt Welch and Camille and Michael 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: one hand, you could do so, and we talk about 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: this as well, so you. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Can get more of that. Excellent. 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love those guys. All right, let's get into it, 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: young Republicans. What are you people doing on a giant 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: group text saying dumb shit? 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean, so this is, as I said, this is 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: an example of how you edge lord yourself into disgrace, 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: which is this thing where you know, we've left the 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: time of the PC woke flag throwing, right, which is 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: in many cases good for discourse because you're not afraid 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: to say some things right, and then you go to 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: a point where the pendulum swings where you're just trying 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: to shock people as much as possible. 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Right. And I didn't think that everything was the same. 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: I mean, people say things on private group chats that 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: they might not say publicly. I actually don't think that 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: you should. I think that you should be who you 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: are on group chats who you are in the real 39 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: world as well. But there is this story. It's in Politico. 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: It's about young Republicans in various places saying terrible things 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: on a group chat. Now, you know, I have to 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: say that my first instinct I read the story before 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: it became like a story story, and I felt it 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: was a little bit ridiculous because in the piece, of course, 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: who do they blame this rhetoric on? They say, the 46 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: private rhetoric isn't happening in a vacuum. It comes amid 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: a widespread coarsening of the broader political discourse, and as 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: incendiary and racially offensive tropes from the right become increasingly 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: common in public debate. Last month, Trump posted an AI 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: generated video that showed House Minority Leader what Kim Jeffreys 51 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: in a sombrero besides Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, whose 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: fabricated remarks were about trading free healthcare for immigrant votes, 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: a false. Long running GOP trope, the sombrero meme has 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: been widely used to mock Democrats as the government and 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: shut down. Where's on? 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a. 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: Direct line from the sombrero AI picture to saying Hitler 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: is good and using the N word like spare me. 59 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: You know. 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: So this is the double standard, right is that is 61 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: that when these private chats, which by the way, are 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: by adults. I don't want to minimize it by saying 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: they're kit, they're young Republicans, but they're adults. 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Sure from young Republicans can be as old as like 65 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: thirty nine, I believe, yes. 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: Yes, And also I should note importantly that the young 67 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: Republicans National immediately condemns this in a statement and asked 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: everyone to resign from any position they held in their 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: local or state chapters. So that is good because imposing 70 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: that consequence will deter such behavior in the future. But 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: the double standard is this applies to all Republicans, and 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 3: every Republican lawmaker will be asked about it, of course, 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: versus by the way, these guys aren't running for office. 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Yep, there's nobody's really versus. 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Like I agree, they should not be in leadership positions. 76 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: We should not ratherdom have those versus the Democrat ag 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: nominee in Virginia. By the way, this story is designed 78 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: to counter the damage caused by that story, however. 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: And this is a distinction worth making. 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: He's running for office right currently, and almost everyone I 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 3: think everyone in the Democratic Party has declined to ask 82 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: for him. 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: To step aside, so I think they've I think this. 84 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: Story actually doesn't reflect well because it is it is 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: revealing the double standard where Republicans walked away from these 86 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: guys and they haven't walked away from him. 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely. But you know what they're going to say is 88 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: well jd Vance, He tweeted, this is far worse than 89 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: anything said in a college group chat referring to the 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Jay Jones tweets and the guy who said it could 91 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: become the Age of Virginia. I refuse to join the 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence. I 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: understand this response. This is not my response. I am 94 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: disgusted by those texts, and I think people should be 95 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: held accountable. When people were celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, I 96 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: thought to myself, I don't want this person to be 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: my dentist or don't be teacher, right. I feel the 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: same way about the people on these texts, and I 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: don't care that we're not supposed to criticize our own side. 100 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: I've said again and again that Republicans conservatives do criticize 101 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: their own side all the time, and this is just 102 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: more evidence of that, where we do say I don't 103 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: stand with these people, and I think that's not a 104 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: bad thing. I think I get JD's impulse to say 105 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 2: I'm not throwing these people under the bus. You guys 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: can't throw j Jones under the bus. And he's right, 107 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: but that's not my impulse. 108 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: I have to Yeah, the argument from him is we 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: don't just take unilateral ls while they take no l's 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: over this guy exactly, how much of an. 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: L is it? Like? 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Are these people valuable? 113 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: Are they people who can entice new people into the party? 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: Right? If you are engaged in a. 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: Private chat that is nonetheless full of a lot of 116 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: people who you might, by the way, have bitter political 117 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: rivalries and jockeying for political power positions in the future, 118 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: and you're doing this, you have shown yourself to have 119 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: a certain amount of bad judgment that will not allow 120 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: you to rise and shouldn't allow you to rise. Right, So, 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: I think I understand where people come from when they 122 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: say that, because. 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, they're right. They're not gonna jettison J. Jones. 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: They're going to tweet through it, They're going to campaign 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: through it. 126 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: And the people who don't disavowed J. Jones will then 127 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: tell you, and who, by the way, did zero stories 128 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: on the Israel Palestine deal accomplished by President Trump. 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Will then tell you, this is the most important. 130 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: Story in the world for like four days, and we 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: don't believe you. Yeah yeah, So, by the way, I 132 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: should note in the Virginia ag race that Jason Miaris, 133 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: who is the Republican running against j Jones has put 134 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: out a pretty clever ad that basically says, like she says, 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: you can make your own choice, maybe you should make 136 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: your own choice. 137 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: Right, So, because she said. 138 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: In the debate, like everyone else Lamberger, excuse me, Abigails Spamberger, 139 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: the Democrat running for governor, in not disavowing j Jones 140 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: basically said well, everyone's running there and own individual race. 141 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: So he turned that into an ad and said it's 142 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: an individual race, take a look at me. So I 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: think that was pretty clever of him, and they're likely 144 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: people in Virginia who would undervote or switch sides for that. 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am just I don't know. I find that 146 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: this it's both sides of this right where I don't 147 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: like at all any of this commentary is being tied 148 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: to the right, and I just refuse to participate, you know, 149 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: or believe any of that. But also this idea that 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: this is my side and I need to quiet just 151 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: is appalling to me. And why it's so bad the 152 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: Spamburger won't denounce him. The whole your side thing it 153 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't apply to I want children to die. And you 154 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: know what the Young Republicans said in their chats is 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: nowhere near that, if you want to be real about it. 156 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: And I still don't think that I need more people. 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: Nowhere near legally actionable threats, which is actually what Jones 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: got very close to. Yeah, this was this was excuse 159 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: my language, ship posting gas chamber stuff, stuff about African Americans, watermelons, 160 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: like just disgusting, designed to discussed people, right, and yeah, 161 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: like I don't. 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Think you're bringing a bunch of people into this party 163 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: like that. 164 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bonchi read spend political capital on you. Oh yes, exactly, 165 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: so Bonchie read state I'd account I like very much. 166 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: On X said Groyper, Losers are not my side. If 167 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: I want to call them losers, I'll call them losers 168 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: and it will not cost us a single election. But 169 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: I'm also not going to waste time on total nobodies 170 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: who have been forced to resign and who will never 171 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: be heard from again. That's where I am on this 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: same Yeah, you pointed out that the Young Republicans issued 173 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: a comment and they said, we are appalled by the 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: vile and inexcusable language revealed in the political Art article 175 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: published today. Behavior is disgraceful. Onbecoming stands in direct opposition 176 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: to the movement. All involved must resign immediately. I mean, 177 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: what more could they say. 178 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Over to you, Virginia Democrats, National Democrats. It will be 179 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: interesting to see how many Republicans in the halls of 180 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: Congress are asked about this versus Democrats being asked about 181 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: j Jones, right, even though he's running for office. 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: You know, as we're going to air, there's a story 183 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: in Pirate Wires which I haven't read yet, but there's 184 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: a long tweet about it. Heather Cox Richardson is apparently 185 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: this big leftist boys, they. 186 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: Point out, is the biggest substack that exists. 187 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: Right, more subscribers than Jimmy Kimmel has. And they say 188 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: every night she tells her two point seven million followers 189 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: that America is sliding into authoritarianism, Trump is a dictator whatever. 190 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: But they also say when it was revealed that Charlie 191 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: Kirk's assassin was not the right wing extremist she claimed 192 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: he was, she never corrected the record. When Biden's debate 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: performance was so bad the New York Times called for 194 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: him to drop out, Richardson claimed he thoroughly proved his confidence. 195 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: When an assassin murdered Minnesota lawmakers. It was horrific. But 196 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: when Luigi Mangioni assassinated United Healthcare CEO, it was a 197 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: moral protest. And so spare me the handwringing and the 198 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: pearl clutching, because this is the most famous substack of 199 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: all time. 200 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: So their disinformation is good, Carol, Right, I know that's 201 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: the difference. 202 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: All right. 203 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: We will be back on normally in a moment with 204 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: some stories about Obama. How's he doing these days? 205 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: Poorly? 206 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: He's doing poorly. All right. 207 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: We are back on normally with a little bit about 208 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: Barack Obama and the new Barack Obama, who is mom 209 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: Donnie in New York running for the mayor's slot. But first, 210 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: the original Barack Obama, who appeared on Mark Maren's podcast 211 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: this week. Maren is drawing to a close his fifteen 212 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: year run of podcasting. He is a comedian but also 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: a political commentator, and. 214 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: It was a really big deal. 215 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 3: I remember when Obama appeared on his podcast in twenty 216 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: fifteen ish, because that was like the. 217 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: New Frontiers, new things. 218 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: So he's capping it off as well, and he had 219 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: some thoughts about what has come to pass since he 220 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: left office. 221 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Here's let's listen to. 222 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: A little bit. I mean, what was unusual for me 223 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 4: was obviously a lot of what I represented. Yeah, a 224 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: lot of what Michelle and I had tried to project 225 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: the values are thinking about America. My successor seemed to 226 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 4: represent the opposite, right not seemed didn't. And so I 227 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 4: think there is a lot of anger, a lot of sadness, 228 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 4: some fear among a big chunk of the country. 229 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: He seems frustrated, Carol. 230 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't like that anybody else got to be 231 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: president after him. 232 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: I am sort of amazed by how little people listen 233 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: to him now, and I think that's of his own doing. 234 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: He made himself irrelevant. I think he did a lot 235 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: of damage while he was president and since he's been president, 236 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: which I want to I want to congratulate myself on 237 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: this one. I said while he was running for president 238 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: and while he was president. This man wants to be 239 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: an ex president. He wants to he wants to live well, 240 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: he wants to give spe he wants to be congratulated for, 241 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: like I don't know, observing elections in other countries and 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: lecturing the United States of America and hang out in 243 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: Marsa's vineyard. That's what he wants to do, he's going 244 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: to be great at it, and that part he has embraced. 245 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I guess he has some behind 246 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: the scenes roles at the you know, in the Democratic Party, 247 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: but he has been so largely irrelevant and I can't, 248 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: you know, when we look back at his presidency, other 249 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: than Obamacare, which is largely a disaster, what are his accomplishments? 250 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: And you know, people at the time even said, oh, 251 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: but he's such a good speaker. He's such a good orator. 252 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: And I'm always like, named something he said, Name something 253 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: he said other than if you like your doctor, you 254 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: can keep your doctor, which turned out to be a lie. 255 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: So I'm thoroughly unimpressed with this guy. I nowhere near 256 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: as impressed as he is with himself. And it's just 257 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: funny because what did he think was going to happen? 258 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: And after he left the presidency, what did he think 259 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: the next Republican was going to do? He led in 260 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: such a way that was so abrasive to the opposite 261 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: side from him when he said all I need is 262 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: a phone and a pen. What did he think everybody 263 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: was going to do after him? Right? 264 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: I think he fools himself into thinking it wasn't divisive, 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: Like I think he's still the illusion that he was 266 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: a uniting force while he was, like, you know, calling 267 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: out the Supreme Court justices sitting in front of him 268 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: at a State of the Union address, while he was 269 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: calling out Republican congressional leaders whose votes he needed on 270 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: various things while they're sitting on stage with him. 271 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: He wasn't unifying. 272 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: And I don't think beyond giving speeches, he really was 273 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: understood what the job was. 274 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: And as a result, the. 275 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: Thing that he passed, Obamacare was not executed. Well, it 276 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: doesn't live up to its promises. You can still do 277 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: polling where people are like, oh, I guess that free 278 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: thing you gave us is fine, but if you start 279 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: like picking in the details, people are like, now, this 280 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: didn't give me what I wanted. He I feel like 281 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: he makes himself irrelevant. Every statement is like what world 282 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: are you living in? And this felt very much like 283 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: are you're living in twenty fifteen? This is just a 284 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: replay of twenty fifteen and you're trying to grock what 285 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: happened and how you possibly could be losing this race 286 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: or Hillary losing this race. 287 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: But you know, right, yeah, same thing speaking of irrelevant. 288 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: The Joe Biden people have been working over time to 289 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: say that it was actually Joe Biden's peace deal that 290 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: the Trump administration enacted in the Middle East, but Joe 291 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: Biden like totally just didn't want to do it. That's 292 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: really what happened here. He was doing other things and 293 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, his peace deal. It was just it was 294 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: really it was Trump's fault. It was Trumpett Yahoo's fault 295 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: that it got together. 296 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: No, no right that you know. 297 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: This guy Keith Edwards. I don't know who this is, 298 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: but apparently a lot of people do because they were like, 299 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: why are you giving this person attention? And I said, oh, 300 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: I don't know who this is, but he tweeted he 301 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: had a very big sweet Joe Biden had a peace 302 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: deal in place, but then net Nyaho and Trump met 303 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: in mar A Lago. I decided that keeping the war 304 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: going would benefit them both. Ten months later, this signing 305 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: the exact deal Biden brokeer. I was on with your bestie, 306 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: Guy Benton yesterday, and we talked about how some of 307 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: the things that have happened since Joe Biden was president, like, 308 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: for example, the Twelve Day War with Iran and the 309 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: tech inside cutter and things like that actually led to 310 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: the peace deal, and Joe Biden would have never been 311 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: able to get that done. You know, tell this to 312 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: enorm me in your life and they're going to respond 313 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: as the normies in my life did with Joe Biden 314 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: was a potato. He could have never done this. 315 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's just obviously incorrect. I would also add 316 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: this important detail and pardon me on pronunciation. But Laha Harkov, 317 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: who is a journalist in Israel, she puts the order 318 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: of operations into perspective, which is the Biden deal for 319 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: Israel to fully withdraw was for Israel to fully withdraw 320 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 3: from Gaza and only then for all of the hospitals 321 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: to be released. Hamas rejected it. Israel is still deployed 322 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: in most of Gaza, she notes, and we have all 323 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: the living hostages at home. 324 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: That is a better, huge difference. 325 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: That is not the same deal. That is a deal 326 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: that Israel goes. 327 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: Why would we do that, right, because there isn't a 328 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: guarantee and it goes really badly. 329 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And by the way, you. 330 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: Get all of those horrific, tortuous ceremonies of handing over 331 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: because the Red Cross ain't gonna do nothing to stop them. 332 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 3: By the way, can we just once again say the 333 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 3: Red Cross is trash for the way it acted the 334 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: entire time, unbelievable. 335 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: More pointless than Europe and that's really saying something. 336 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: Okay, one more thing in this section, I want to 337 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 3: add the new Obama's rise. So this is u Zoron Mumdani, 338 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: who's running for mayor in New York. He is a 339 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: head by double digits over Andrew Como. A lot of 340 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: that has to do with the fact that Democrats just 341 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 3: couldn't muster anyone better than Andrew. I would have been 342 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: an Adams Gallay choice. 343 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: So fast. Yeah, but me, you and like eight percent 344 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: of New Yorkers. 345 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I know, I know. So that's happening. 346 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: And the New York Times did a sixteen page profile 347 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: on him, and I read, I want to say, like 348 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 3: ninety percent of it. I have a few more paragraphs 349 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: to go. But there is not one dang interesting revealing, 350 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 3: like negative moment in this from the perspective of the writer, Like, right, 351 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 3: you do a sixteen page profile on someone you didn't 352 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 3: find anything you might want to just like criticize a 353 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: tiny bit that's that's a problem there, Obama ask yes, 354 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: And the question that keeps coming to me as I'm 355 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: reading through the profile is like, yes, so he has 356 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 3: all these ideas, but he doesn't know how. 357 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: To execute them, is what you're saying? 358 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: Any of them? 359 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: Any of them and a lot of them defy economics. 360 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: So you're going to end up on the other side 361 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: of this, which the Democratic Socialists of America who endorsed 362 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: him have already pointed out where they're like, oh, what 363 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: if he wins and then he tries to enact these 364 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: things and a he doesn't have the power to or 365 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: be he can't, and then we have to pay the price, right, 366 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: And it's yeah. 367 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: Maybe think about it an issue? Yeah, it gonna be 368 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: an issue. The guy with a smile doesn't always get 369 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: it done. 370 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I you know, look, I the other concern 371 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: is when he inevitably can't get any of his policy's 372 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: done or they're a total failure. If he ends up 373 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: opening one, you know, grocery store run by the government 374 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: and it is the failure it's been in other places, 375 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: what does he fill kind of the gap with? And 376 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: I think when he is running for UNRA over the weekend, 377 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: I think a lot of Jews should think about the 378 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 2: fact that it will be you know, maybe riling up 379 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: people against Jews, and that's a very common strategy through 380 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: history among failed politicians, which he inevitably will be. 381 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 3: I would say that there's one sentence in this that 382 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: is accidentally revealing that suggests that in which he the 383 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: writer contends that this is the one issue he will 384 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: not compromise on, and it is Israel Palestine, even though 385 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: like he's running an affordability campaign, but this is the 386 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: one issue where he can't even say, yeah, globalize, the 387 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: entifata is bad. 388 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: People shouldn't say that, right. 389 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: Yep, He's going to lean right into it, and there's 390 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: a reason for that. So we'll be right back with 391 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 2: more on normally and is the transcantagion finally breaking among kids? 392 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: We'll see be right back. We are back on normally 393 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: where a few days ago, a researcher posted a graph 394 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: that seemed very promising. Eric Kaufman is a professor of politics, 395 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: and he looked at some studies out of andover Brown 396 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: and from the fire Org. Part of it is that 397 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: there's a collapse in people who say they are non binary, 398 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: and that's great, because non binary is not a thing, 399 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: and the fact that it's spiked so high in twenty 400 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: twenty three, it's about fifty percent down from that the 401 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: peak numbers. That's fantastic. Of course, the fact that anybody 402 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: still thinks that they're neither gender is ridiculous, but we'll 403 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: take it for now. 404 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it seems like a small victory at least. 405 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: And my thought would be that this suggests that the 406 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 3: pipeline to trans identity is closing. Yeah, that the social 407 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: contagion and those early stages where people are using this 408 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: as sort of like a like an intersectional politics pass. 409 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: Right. 410 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just like a suburban white girl, but I'm 411 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: non binary. That is losing its cachet as it should, 412 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: and that fewer people in the future will be drawn 413 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: into actual bad, bad situations. 414 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's the easiest one, right If I 415 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: always say, if I were a teenager right now and 416 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: I had the kind of power that comes with declaring 417 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: yourself non binary and making up your pronouns every day 418 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 2: and having every adult in your life follow it, I 419 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: would one hundred percent be into it. So the easiest one, 420 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: the one that you don't have to do anything is 421 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: falling off, and that's great. He also says that non 422 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: conforming sexual identity, queer questioning, et cetera. Is also in 423 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: sharp decline. Gay and lesbian are stable, while heterosexual has 424 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: rebounded by around ten points since twenty twenty three. Yeah, 425 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: it's the vibe shift, you know. But I when recording 426 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: this as I'm writing the piece, so I think I 427 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: have a piece, and then you're a post today on 428 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: this how I don't actually think that the trans contagion 429 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: is over, and I think we should be really careful 430 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: about taking these stats to mean that. Part of what 431 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: Eric says is he thinks that trans people would be 432 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: more likely to say that they're non binary, and therefore 433 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: the non binary numbers is declining means that trans is declining. 434 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. I think 435 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: when you're in the trans contagion, non binary means something 436 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: very very specific to you, and you are absolutely not that, 437 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: and your identity is so fixed in those words that 438 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: I don't think a trans person would pick non binary. 439 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 2: And that's what my column today and then New York 440 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: Post will end up arguing. 441 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should be wary about any of 442 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: this stuff sort of falling off the cliff. I do 443 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: think there's a vibe shift shift that you want to 444 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: be careful about the data. And there's certainly people who 445 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: are still very invested and now in creating more kids 446 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: who can go into this pipeline. And I just the 447 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: damage that has been done thus far is just shocking. 448 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: And you know, I know when we were kids, the 449 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: social contagion of the day. Neither of them good were cutting, 450 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: an anorexia, and I would take those over this one. 451 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: This one is, Yeah, this one seems a lot more permanent. 452 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: Those were both terrible, obviously, but they were seemed more 453 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: temporary than getting drugs and changing your well. 454 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: And importantly, the most important thing about them is how 455 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 3: we responded to them. Yeah they're bad, to them as 456 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: if they were good and enlightened and a choice. We 457 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: responded to them like, girl, you got to get yourself 458 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: some therapy. 459 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you went to the therapist, it wasn't like, oh, 460 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: this is good and I'm going to affirm this. 461 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: You know. 462 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: I think that that's a big part of all of this, 463 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 2: that the affirming is what's driving this. 464 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: Really. 465 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: If you go to a therapist and you say I'm 466 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: mixed up and I'm going used it. I think I'm 467 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: the opposite gender, and your therapist says, no, that's good, 468 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: you are that opposite gender. It leads you down a 469 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: path that is hard to get off well. 470 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before, and it concerns me 471 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: for lots of kids. Is that this kind of affirmation 472 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: and the need to get it out of some of 473 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 3: these professional circles. 474 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: It speaks to the need to get it out of 475 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: these professional circles. 476 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: Is if your kids do need some kind of therapy, 477 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: you cannot be assured that that person isn't going to 478 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: decide that your kid's issue is that they're actually in 479 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: the wrong body. I would just like my kid to 480 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: be able to talk about normal stuff. 481 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: That'd be great. 482 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely well. Thank you for joining us on Normally. Normally 483 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you could subscribe anywhere you 484 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at normally 485 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: theepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when 486 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: things get weird at normally