1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:15,836 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:20,276 --> 00:00:23,876 Speaker 2: In this episode, we've used voice actors for Leslie and 3 00:00:23,996 --> 00:00:27,196 Speaker 2: her parents, as well as her mysterious lawyer, Eric t 4 00:00:27,356 --> 00:00:28,716 Speaker 2: Weiss and his staff. 5 00:00:31,356 --> 00:00:34,396 Speaker 3: I'm sorry that now you'll never really know what was 6 00:00:34,436 --> 00:00:34,876 Speaker 3: real or not. 7 00:00:36,916 --> 00:00:40,396 Speaker 4: Leslie wrote that in her divorce letter to my brother Greg. 8 00:00:41,236 --> 00:00:43,196 Speaker 5: It's like she was toying with him. 9 00:00:44,036 --> 00:00:46,156 Speaker 3: You'll never really know what was real or not. 10 00:00:47,356 --> 00:00:52,556 Speaker 4: Leslie does draw blurry lines between fantasy and reality. She 11 00:00:52,756 --> 00:00:56,076 Speaker 4: just probably wouldn't have expected anyone to start reading between 12 00:00:56,076 --> 00:01:01,196 Speaker 4: those lines. But that's what I'm doing now, And I've 13 00:01:01,236 --> 00:01:04,036 Speaker 4: uncovered what I reckon is the strangest part of this 14 00:01:04,156 --> 00:01:11,596 Speaker 4: whole story. I've found something completely bizarre. And all those 15 00:01:11,676 --> 00:01:14,996 Speaker 4: emails in the box of Leslie Docks that my dad kept, 16 00:01:15,676 --> 00:01:20,316 Speaker 4: they reveal Leslie had a book deal with a big 17 00:01:20,356 --> 00:01:21,716 Speaker 4: time publisher. 18 00:01:23,356 --> 00:01:26,236 Speaker 5: To tell the story of her life. 19 00:01:26,796 --> 00:01:30,276 Speaker 3: Well, I am going to start on a book next week. 20 00:01:31,316 --> 00:01:34,156 Speaker 6: He believes you would be Greek at scriptwriting. 21 00:01:35,276 --> 00:01:37,076 Speaker 3: Oh my head is spinning. 22 00:01:39,476 --> 00:01:43,716 Speaker 4: Welcome to Unravel Season four. I'm Ollie Ward's and this 23 00:01:44,396 --> 00:02:04,236 Speaker 4: is Snowball. So Leslie was writing an autobiography, like some 24 00:02:04,356 --> 00:02:07,716 Speaker 4: kind of memoir of her crazy life. There's heaps of 25 00:02:07,756 --> 00:02:12,516 Speaker 4: details about it in her email and who's handling the 26 00:02:12,556 --> 00:02:16,356 Speaker 4: ins and outs of Leslie's book deal? Once again, enter 27 00:02:16,676 --> 00:02:20,876 Speaker 4: Leslie's lawyer, her old mate, Eric t Weiss. 28 00:02:20,676 --> 00:02:21,476 Speaker 6: As your lawyer. 29 00:02:21,916 --> 00:02:24,276 Speaker 4: I am starting to this is the Eric who wrote 30 00:02:24,316 --> 00:02:26,956 Speaker 4: a letter to Kiwibank confirming that Leslie had a big 31 00:02:26,956 --> 00:02:30,756 Speaker 4: trust fund, and he happens to be the namesake of 32 00:02:30,796 --> 00:02:37,436 Speaker 4: the great Harry Houdini. Eric sends emails to Leslie as 33 00:02:37,476 --> 00:02:39,116 Speaker 4: he negotiates her book deal. 34 00:02:39,476 --> 00:02:41,516 Speaker 6: If you are willing to sign a contract that they 35 00:02:41,596 --> 00:02:44,396 Speaker 6: will be your publisher for ten years, this will allot 36 00:02:44,476 --> 00:02:46,516 Speaker 6: you to begin on the other three books we have 37 00:02:46,596 --> 00:02:49,796 Speaker 6: talked about, and you will only be on yours and 38 00:02:49,916 --> 00:02:51,596 Speaker 6: Simon and Schuster's schedule. 39 00:02:51,956 --> 00:02:55,436 Speaker 4: And this is where the extra glitz really starts getting sprinkled. 40 00:02:56,076 --> 00:02:59,196 Speaker 4: Eric t Weiss isn't just a financial kind of dude 41 00:02:59,196 --> 00:03:03,236 Speaker 4: who deals with trust fund admin. He's apparently a big 42 00:03:03,236 --> 00:03:05,836 Speaker 4: shot entertainment lawyer. That's his main job. 43 00:03:07,716 --> 00:03:09,876 Speaker 6: I am an entertainment attorney that has been in the 44 00:03:09,916 --> 00:03:13,036 Speaker 6: business for over twenty years and have worked with many 45 00:03:13,156 --> 00:03:16,196 Speaker 6: production companies, celebrities and musicians. 46 00:03:16,916 --> 00:03:19,516 Speaker 4: I guess that explains why Eric runs into so many 47 00:03:19,556 --> 00:03:22,436 Speaker 4: famous names like in that note, Leslie maid in her 48 00:03:22,436 --> 00:03:24,356 Speaker 4: travel diary that she left a n N ZED. 49 00:03:26,236 --> 00:03:31,076 Speaker 3: May three, New York. Eric met George Clooney, Julia Roberts 50 00:03:31,196 --> 00:03:32,116 Speaker 3: private jet. 51 00:03:32,116 --> 00:03:41,716 Speaker 4: From Dallas, movie stars and private jets. I'd like to 52 00:03:41,756 --> 00:03:44,836 Speaker 4: imagine Eric t Weiss is like a Smami La Shobas 53 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:48,396 Speaker 4: type guy, kind of arrogant like Ari Gold from Entourage, 54 00:03:48,676 --> 00:03:52,636 Speaker 4: but shonky like Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad. I imagine 55 00:03:52,676 --> 00:03:55,196 Speaker 4: him in a suit with a loud, colorful tie, and 56 00:03:55,236 --> 00:03:56,356 Speaker 4: I reckon he's got a combover. 57 00:03:57,156 --> 00:03:59,316 Speaker 6: I have not been in my office during the days 58 00:03:59,436 --> 00:04:01,396 Speaker 6: due to the fact that I have been defending a 59 00:04:01,556 --> 00:04:06,556 Speaker 6: celebrity case. Right now, it is confidential, so I cannot 60 00:04:06,596 --> 00:04:07,036 Speaker 6: say who. 61 00:04:08,076 --> 00:04:10,796 Speaker 5: So why is the liberty lawyer working with Leslie? 62 00:04:10,796 --> 00:04:10,956 Speaker 1: Then? 63 00:04:11,676 --> 00:04:14,596 Speaker 4: Well, from what I can see in these emails, Eric 64 00:04:14,676 --> 00:04:17,276 Speaker 4: claims to be lining Leslie up to be as rich 65 00:04:17,316 --> 00:04:19,236 Speaker 4: and famous as the rest of his crowd. 66 00:04:19,796 --> 00:04:23,316 Speaker 6: Until you become famous. You are a nobody in this industry, 67 00:04:24,036 --> 00:04:27,116 Speaker 6: but you already know that it will be worth it 68 00:04:27,156 --> 00:04:30,716 Speaker 6: one day, Leslie, So do not get depressed, continue to 69 00:04:30,756 --> 00:04:33,716 Speaker 6: be strong and remember what the end result will bring. 70 00:04:34,156 --> 00:04:37,836 Speaker 6: You will be financially secure for life and you'll be 71 00:04:37,876 --> 00:04:40,236 Speaker 6: able to buy your dad that hummer. 72 00:04:39,876 --> 00:04:40,916 Speaker 5: You keep talking about. 73 00:04:44,036 --> 00:04:47,396 Speaker 4: Eric is really encouraging to Leslie, like he's beyond what 74 00:04:47,396 --> 00:04:50,436 Speaker 4: you would expect the lawyer to be, which is good because, 75 00:04:50,476 --> 00:04:53,796 Speaker 4: as Leslie explains to her parents, writing a book is hard. 76 00:04:54,916 --> 00:04:57,836 Speaker 3: The whole last ten chapters of the book that was 77 00:04:57,876 --> 00:05:00,796 Speaker 3: redone has been denied due to the fact that it 78 00:05:00,876 --> 00:05:04,156 Speaker 3: is too similar to a story that was written by 79 00:05:04,156 --> 00:05:08,996 Speaker 3: an author about ten years ago. On my head is spinning. 80 00:05:09,596 --> 00:05:13,196 Speaker 3: But Eric said that lawyers are constantly finding books that 81 00:05:13,276 --> 00:05:16,436 Speaker 3: are too similar and must have avoid a lawsuit. That 82 00:05:16,596 --> 00:05:19,716 Speaker 3: is why they are hired as in house attorneys. He said, 83 00:05:19,716 --> 00:05:22,636 Speaker 3: it happens all the time, and we must rewrite it 84 00:05:22,676 --> 00:05:23,756 Speaker 3: in a different wording. 85 00:05:25,956 --> 00:05:29,036 Speaker 4: So when I read these emails about Leslie getting a 86 00:05:29,116 --> 00:05:32,956 Speaker 4: memoir published, I thought, well, that takes things up a notch. 87 00:05:33,916 --> 00:05:35,476 Speaker 5: But that's not even the big picture. 88 00:05:36,116 --> 00:05:39,956 Speaker 4: Because that book about the story of Leslie's life was 89 00:05:39,996 --> 00:05:43,436 Speaker 4: supposedly going to be made into a movie. 90 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:47,436 Speaker 6: Sony cannot go forward with the movie until the book 91 00:05:47,476 --> 00:05:50,876 Speaker 6: has been released. I have recommended that the film in 92 00:05:50,916 --> 00:05:57,876 Speaker 6: Sun Valley, Idaho, which shows the same picturesque setting, is Toho. 93 00:05:58,756 --> 00:06:01,836 Speaker 4: I just can't believe how deep this world goes. So 94 00:06:01,916 --> 00:06:06,556 Speaker 4: we've got Eric t Weiss Esquire talking through the details 95 00:06:06,596 --> 00:06:12,396 Speaker 4: of a movie about Leslie based on a book by Leslie. 96 00:06:12,636 --> 00:06:16,036 Speaker 4: And that's not all. Leslie told her parents that for 97 00:06:16,076 --> 00:06:18,876 Speaker 4: the big screen version, a big name was lined up 98 00:06:18,916 --> 00:06:19,396 Speaker 4: to play her. 99 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:24,236 Speaker 3: The movie script has been accepted. In Flying Colors, Alissa 100 00:06:24,316 --> 00:06:26,436 Speaker 3: Milano has signed on. 101 00:06:29,756 --> 00:06:36,196 Speaker 4: Pretty good casting. Remember Alyssa Milano from Charmed or as 102 00:06:36,236 --> 00:06:39,996 Speaker 4: the daughter Nie goes on a rampage FOURG commando. She 103 00:06:40,116 --> 00:06:42,996 Speaker 4: is long dark here like Leslie's good choice. 104 00:06:43,716 --> 00:06:48,356 Speaker 3: Alissa Milano will be an Enza in November. She's going 105 00:06:48,356 --> 00:06:50,036 Speaker 3: to hang out with me for a week or two 106 00:06:50,196 --> 00:06:55,596 Speaker 3: to know my personality. Study it, so I'll have to 107 00:06:55,636 --> 00:06:59,076 Speaker 3: be on vacation from Greg and his family at that time. 108 00:06:59,796 --> 00:07:01,516 Speaker 3: I hope we have a house by then so I 109 00:07:01,556 --> 00:07:06,316 Speaker 3: do not have to sneak around his family. Eric said 110 00:07:06,316 --> 00:07:08,316 Speaker 3: that I will be getting paid starting July. 111 00:07:09,156 --> 00:07:11,996 Speaker 4: Sounds like some real method acting from Melissa Milano taking 112 00:07:11,996 --> 00:07:15,596 Speaker 4: on the role of Leslie. Ever since I read these emails, 113 00:07:16,196 --> 00:07:19,356 Speaker 4: I can't stop wondering what a movie about Leslie would 114 00:07:19,396 --> 00:07:19,796 Speaker 4: be like. 115 00:07:21,236 --> 00:07:25,756 Speaker 5: In a world where one woman's fantasies come to life. 116 00:07:26,236 --> 00:07:29,756 Speaker 3: With cravat Zapp Franzality. 117 00:07:29,756 --> 00:07:36,156 Speaker 1: This Summer and Missa Milano is Leslie Minuchian and the 118 00:07:36,276 --> 00:07:41,876 Speaker 1: Girl with the Dragonfly tattoo. 119 00:07:44,916 --> 00:07:50,036 Speaker 4: So obviously that movie never came out because it's fictional, 120 00:07:50,796 --> 00:07:54,236 Speaker 4: fictional in the sense that it didn't exist. That goes 121 00:07:54,276 --> 00:07:56,796 Speaker 4: for the book too. I got in touch with Simon 122 00:07:56,836 --> 00:08:00,556 Speaker 4: and Schuster, the book publisher. I was curious, even though 123 00:08:00,596 --> 00:08:03,516 Speaker 4: I knew what they would say, and yeah, they've never 124 00:08:03,556 --> 00:08:07,916 Speaker 4: heard of Leslie Minuchian or Eric t weiss Esquire. 125 00:08:09,436 --> 00:08:12,436 Speaker 5: I also hit up Alissa Milano's manager. Ditto. 126 00:08:13,356 --> 00:08:16,876 Speaker 4: Alissa's manager actually told me after I called and explained 127 00:08:16,876 --> 00:08:20,596 Speaker 4: all this to her. Both she and Alyssa gogoled Leslie. 128 00:08:20,956 --> 00:08:25,076 Speaker 4: They found something about a restaurant and Alissa Milano was like, 129 00:08:25,716 --> 00:08:29,316 Speaker 4: I was supposed to play a chef. So it's all 130 00:08:29,356 --> 00:08:33,236 Speaker 4: a fantasy. But the amazing thing about this bizarro world 131 00:08:33,476 --> 00:08:36,596 Speaker 4: is just how detailed it is. There's this whole cast 132 00:08:36,676 --> 00:08:42,236 Speaker 4: of characters. It's not just Eric, there's ghost writers, agents, publishers. 133 00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:44,876 Speaker 4: There's even drama between these people. 134 00:08:44,996 --> 00:08:48,596 Speaker 6: We are having legal problems with James. He is not 135 00:08:48,716 --> 00:08:51,036 Speaker 6: satisfied with any of the book and is threatening to 136 00:08:51,076 --> 00:08:53,916 Speaker 6: sue Simon and Schuster if they do not present better writing. 137 00:08:54,436 --> 00:08:56,076 Speaker 5: Can you believe this jerk? 138 00:08:56,636 --> 00:08:58,916 Speaker 6: He has nothing to do with it besides his name, 139 00:08:59,236 --> 00:09:02,596 Speaker 6: and he is the one making threats as your lawyer, 140 00:09:03,156 --> 00:09:06,276 Speaker 6: I am starting to make threats also. 141 00:09:07,396 --> 00:09:09,796 Speaker 4: Eric has so much going on making things happened for 142 00:09:09,876 --> 00:09:13,356 Speaker 4: Leslie that he has his own team around him. 143 00:09:14,076 --> 00:09:17,836 Speaker 6: Hi, Leslie, hope this email finds you well. At the moment, 144 00:09:17,996 --> 00:09:21,236 Speaker 6: I am back in Bangkok, still dealing with legal issues. 145 00:09:21,836 --> 00:09:24,756 Speaker 6: Charlie rang me last night and things are changing again. 146 00:09:25,276 --> 00:09:27,836 Speaker 6: I realized that you were being tossed around and I 147 00:09:27,916 --> 00:09:30,956 Speaker 6: wish I could make this process easier on you. As 148 00:09:30,996 --> 00:09:33,916 Speaker 6: of now, you are to remain in the UK, and 149 00:09:33,996 --> 00:09:36,436 Speaker 6: Alyssa is going to meet you in London for the 150 00:09:36,596 --> 00:09:39,396 Speaker 6: entire month of June to get to know you personally. 151 00:09:41,036 --> 00:09:44,516 Speaker 4: I think Charlie is one of his assistants, and sometimes 152 00:09:44,756 --> 00:09:49,316 Speaker 4: Eric gets so busy that another assistant, Jackie, takes control 153 00:09:49,356 --> 00:09:50,916 Speaker 4: of his Gmail account. 154 00:09:51,316 --> 00:09:55,116 Speaker 7: Good afternoon, missus Minukian, and mister Minukian. I'm writing on 155 00:09:55,196 --> 00:09:57,916 Speaker 7: behalf of Eric. He has had to fly out for 156 00:09:57,956 --> 00:10:00,556 Speaker 7: an important meeting and had hoped to be back by 157 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:04,676 Speaker 7: this afternoon, but is delayed until tomorrow morning. Thank you 158 00:10:04,716 --> 00:10:08,676 Speaker 7: for your patience. Jackie EA for Eric Weiss. 159 00:10:09,876 --> 00:10:12,596 Speaker 4: Then Eric even has to come back in and explain 160 00:10:12,636 --> 00:10:13,756 Speaker 4: where Jackie is gone. 161 00:10:13,876 --> 00:10:17,276 Speaker 6: Dear Betty and Andy, I am very sorry for not 162 00:10:17,316 --> 00:10:20,396 Speaker 6: being in touch sooner. Everything here has been very hectic. 163 00:10:20,876 --> 00:10:23,916 Speaker 6: I have been handling legal problems and Jackie is going 164 00:10:23,956 --> 00:10:26,796 Speaker 6: to be out for at least three months. She has 165 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:28,996 Speaker 6: had to have a hysterectomy. 166 00:10:31,076 --> 00:10:34,996 Speaker 4: So many specific details a hysteric to me. It's like 167 00:10:35,036 --> 00:10:38,396 Speaker 4: a soap opera in Leslie's inbox. This isn't where I 168 00:10:38,396 --> 00:10:40,916 Speaker 4: thought this trail would take me, but I'm kind of 169 00:10:40,956 --> 00:10:45,156 Speaker 4: into learning about these characters. Leslie even has a ghostwriter 170 00:10:45,476 --> 00:10:46,396 Speaker 4: called Scooter. 171 00:10:50,076 --> 00:10:53,076 Speaker 3: Scooter came in to see me last night. It was 172 00:10:53,156 --> 00:10:56,356 Speaker 3: like old times seeing it at the bar. He really 173 00:10:56,516 --> 00:10:59,596 Speaker 3: has a great personality once you get to know him. 174 00:11:00,436 --> 00:11:03,236 Speaker 3: After a couple of glass support, he was talking to 175 00:11:03,316 --> 00:11:05,556 Speaker 3: all the other people around him. 176 00:11:05,996 --> 00:11:09,076 Speaker 4: Scooter was helping to write Leslie's book and movie screen. 177 00:11:09,796 --> 00:11:13,236 Speaker 4: He was apparently even in New Zealand with Leslie, but 178 00:11:13,356 --> 00:11:17,236 Speaker 4: of course Grig never met him. That's a shame because 179 00:11:17,276 --> 00:11:19,796 Speaker 4: Scooter sounded like he was having a good time. 180 00:11:20,796 --> 00:11:25,356 Speaker 3: I spoke to Scooter. He is loving and sad. He said, 181 00:11:25,396 --> 00:11:29,556 Speaker 3: it is starting to get cold, winter is approaching, but 182 00:11:29,796 --> 00:11:34,636 Speaker 3: everyone is so friendly and helpful. He's already made a 183 00:11:34,676 --> 00:11:37,476 Speaker 3: couple of friends, and he is shocked that no one 184 00:11:37,596 --> 00:11:41,156 Speaker 3: is pretentious or snobby. All classes of people hang out 185 00:11:41,196 --> 00:11:44,116 Speaker 3: with each other. He said, there is no elite crowd. 186 00:11:45,556 --> 00:11:48,556 Speaker 3: He also said that he has never slept so peaceful, 187 00:11:48,916 --> 00:11:52,156 Speaker 3: and it is very quiet around his home. He has 188 00:11:52,276 --> 00:11:55,476 Speaker 3: never been so at ease with himself. He sounded so 189 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:59,036 Speaker 3: calm and clear hated. He asked about you and Dad 190 00:11:59,076 --> 00:12:01,036 Speaker 3: and says hello. 191 00:12:01,756 --> 00:12:05,636 Speaker 4: I keep asking myself are these characters too detailed to 192 00:12:05,676 --> 00:12:08,756 Speaker 4: be fake? And I guess that's the purpose of all 193 00:12:08,796 --> 00:12:12,916 Speaker 4: these subplots and characters. There's just so much banal detail. 194 00:12:13,276 --> 00:12:17,316 Speaker 4: It's hard to imagine someone making it up. If Leslie 195 00:12:17,436 --> 00:12:20,756 Speaker 4: was creating all these characters, then in a weird way, 196 00:12:20,956 --> 00:12:24,236 Speaker 4: it's almost like she was writing a book. But it's 197 00:12:24,396 --> 00:12:29,716 Speaker 4: just a fictional world created in emails. 198 00:12:31,276 --> 00:12:32,196 Speaker 5: We'll be right back. 199 00:12:33,956 --> 00:12:36,116 Speaker 4: So the big question about all of this book and 200 00:12:36,196 --> 00:12:40,236 Speaker 4: movie stuff is why as detailed and complex as this 201 00:12:40,276 --> 00:12:43,476 Speaker 4: fake world is. I reckon Leslie probably invented it to 202 00:12:43,516 --> 00:12:47,796 Speaker 4: serve a few purposes. Firstly, most of these emails, in 203 00:12:47,876 --> 00:12:52,276 Speaker 4: some way or another are about money, like here, Eric 204 00:12:52,356 --> 00:12:54,196 Speaker 4: is hustling royalty payments for Leslie. 205 00:12:54,516 --> 00:12:56,996 Speaker 6: I have notified Sony that you are to receive income 206 00:12:57,076 --> 00:12:59,956 Speaker 6: starting June fifteenth at the amount of thirty five hundred 207 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:02,596 Speaker 6: dollars per month. And I have sent a written threat 208 00:13:02,596 --> 00:13:04,876 Speaker 6: to Simon and Schuster that you are to receive two 209 00:13:04,916 --> 00:13:07,956 Speaker 6: thousand dollars a month until the book is finished. 210 00:13:08,556 --> 00:13:11,156 Speaker 4: It looks like Eric's emails are a useful way for 211 00:13:11,236 --> 00:13:13,596 Speaker 4: Leslie to show people that she's either going to have 212 00:13:13,636 --> 00:13:17,116 Speaker 4: some big cash money payments coming in any day now, 213 00:13:17,356 --> 00:13:20,996 Speaker 4: or to explain why some money hasn't arrived. And then 214 00:13:21,036 --> 00:13:24,436 Speaker 4: these emails afforded on to whoever Leslie owes money to, 215 00:13:24,996 --> 00:13:27,836 Speaker 4: and sort of sadly, the main target of a lot 216 00:13:27,836 --> 00:13:31,516 Speaker 4: of the smoke and mirrors seems to be Leslie's own parents. 217 00:13:32,276 --> 00:13:36,076 Speaker 4: Eric even writes directly to them. 218 00:13:35,076 --> 00:13:37,076 Speaker 5: Hi, Andrew and Bettie. 219 00:13:37,476 --> 00:13:40,036 Speaker 6: It has been over two months since our last emails 220 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:42,516 Speaker 6: to one another. I hope that everything is all right. 221 00:13:44,396 --> 00:13:47,076 Speaker 6: It has been a long journey for me in Bangkok, 222 00:13:47,436 --> 00:13:51,276 Speaker 6: an experience I hope to forget. My stomach is still 223 00:13:51,316 --> 00:13:55,996 Speaker 6: groaning from the food, and I have actually lost quite 224 00:13:56,036 --> 00:13:56,876 Speaker 6: a bit of wheat. 225 00:13:58,356 --> 00:14:02,836 Speaker 4: That's the big shot lawyer telling his client's parents about 226 00:14:02,876 --> 00:14:07,556 Speaker 4: his travel stomach. Aside from the small talk, one of 227 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:11,116 Speaker 4: the main things Eric emails Betty and Andrew about is 228 00:14:11,236 --> 00:14:14,796 Speaker 4: royalty money. Royalty money they're expecting from these book and 229 00:14:14,876 --> 00:14:18,916 Speaker 4: movie deals. And that's convenient because we know that around 230 00:14:18,916 --> 00:14:21,116 Speaker 4: this time they said that they were in deep shit 231 00:14:21,236 --> 00:14:25,236 Speaker 4: debt and Leslie owed them money. But when these royalties 232 00:14:25,276 --> 00:14:27,796 Speaker 4: don't come in, Eric has to explain. 233 00:14:28,156 --> 00:14:30,676 Speaker 6: Leslie has been on my tail about the pre royalty 234 00:14:30,716 --> 00:14:33,716 Speaker 6: payments from Simon and Schuster and Sony. I have your 235 00:14:33,756 --> 00:14:36,316 Speaker 6: scan of bank details and I am working on this 236 00:14:36,436 --> 00:14:37,596 Speaker 6: as fast as possible. 237 00:14:38,916 --> 00:14:41,996 Speaker 4: Eric is like a buffer between Leslie and her parents. 238 00:14:42,636 --> 00:14:45,956 Speaker 4: If money owed to Leslie's parents is delayed, Eric has 239 00:14:45,996 --> 00:14:49,076 Speaker 4: a good reason or he steps in when she's not 240 00:14:49,196 --> 00:14:52,356 Speaker 4: covering a bill. Like while Leslie was in New Zealand, 241 00:14:52,596 --> 00:14:57,316 Speaker 4: she had a speedboat in storage. Back in America, fees 242 00:14:57,356 --> 00:15:00,356 Speaker 4: were racking up and her parents started getting calls about 243 00:15:00,356 --> 00:15:00,996 Speaker 4: all the bills. 244 00:15:01,716 --> 00:15:03,996 Speaker 5: So Eric comes to the rescue. 245 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:07,636 Speaker 6: Thank you for following up with the boat. In Leslie's defense, 246 00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:10,276 Speaker 6: I know that they were not and kept up to 247 00:15:10,356 --> 00:15:14,796 Speaker 6: date on the situation. We are just not sure who 248 00:15:14,796 --> 00:15:16,996 Speaker 6: it was that fetes the info on the storage fees. 249 00:15:17,276 --> 00:15:20,436 Speaker 6: But who I beat a dead horse. Let's just get 250 00:15:20,476 --> 00:15:22,636 Speaker 6: to the root of the problem and move on. 251 00:15:29,116 --> 00:15:31,476 Speaker 4: As well as explaining money stuff to Biddy and Andrew, 252 00:15:31,956 --> 00:15:35,036 Speaker 4: Eric serves a purpose of weirdly vouching for Leslie. 253 00:15:35,876 --> 00:15:38,276 Speaker 6: Have a nice night, and I look forward to settling 254 00:15:38,316 --> 00:15:41,396 Speaker 6: this matter for you and Andrew. And let's leave Leslie 255 00:15:41,436 --> 00:15:43,876 Speaker 6: in New Zealand where no one can hurt her or 256 00:15:43,916 --> 00:15:46,516 Speaker 6: her character. She is a great girl who is just 257 00:15:46,556 --> 00:15:49,516 Speaker 6: too nice and too trusting. But these are the qualities 258 00:15:49,556 --> 00:15:50,996 Speaker 6: that people love most about her. 259 00:15:51,636 --> 00:15:54,076 Speaker 4: I guess if you have a character covering for you 260 00:15:54,196 --> 00:15:56,876 Speaker 4: for not paying bills and stuff, why not have them 261 00:15:56,996 --> 00:15:59,156 Speaker 4: pump up your rebox and talk you up as a 262 00:15:59,196 --> 00:16:02,956 Speaker 4: person too. Wherever in the world there is trouble with Leslie, 263 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:04,916 Speaker 4: Eric swings in with an explanation. 264 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:09,236 Speaker 6: Lake Tahoe, next to Hawaii is one of the the 265 00:16:09,236 --> 00:16:11,716 Speaker 6: most corrupt communities I have done research on. 266 00:16:12,636 --> 00:16:15,036 Speaker 4: Maybe that takes the heat off Leslie when her parents 267 00:16:15,036 --> 00:16:18,956 Speaker 4: hear bits and pieces contradicting her stories and throughout it 268 00:16:18,996 --> 00:16:22,316 Speaker 4: all it does look like at least Betty thinks Eric 269 00:16:22,676 --> 00:16:26,636 Speaker 4: and his assistants and all the book chat and even 270 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:31,196 Speaker 4: Eric's Bangkok travel gut are real. Here's what Betty wrote 271 00:16:31,236 --> 00:16:31,956 Speaker 4: back to Jackie. 272 00:16:33,516 --> 00:16:36,556 Speaker 8: So glad that Eric is okay. If you can say 273 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:40,556 Speaker 8: what he is experiencing is okay, maybe he's the one 274 00:16:40,556 --> 00:16:44,476 Speaker 8: who should write a book. Well, hope he gets back soon, 275 00:16:44,756 --> 00:16:48,796 Speaker 8: safe and sound. Again. Thanks for all your help and 276 00:16:48,996 --> 00:16:50,196 Speaker 8: keeping us up to date. 277 00:16:50,836 --> 00:16:51,196 Speaker 5: Betty. 278 00:16:54,356 --> 00:16:56,676 Speaker 4: I feel like every time I read through these emails, 279 00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:59,236 Speaker 4: Dad cut and paste it into word docs, I figure 280 00:16:59,276 --> 00:17:02,276 Speaker 4: out another piece of the puzzle. The other day, as 281 00:17:02,316 --> 00:17:05,476 Speaker 4: I read them again, I started to realize something. A 282 00:17:05,476 --> 00:17:08,876 Speaker 4: lot of these emails are directly between Eric and Leslie's 283 00:17:08,916 --> 00:17:11,596 Speaker 4: pair parents for ages. I just figured that they had 284 00:17:11,716 --> 00:17:13,876 Speaker 4: ended up in this box because Betty must have forwarded 285 00:17:13,876 --> 00:17:17,156 Speaker 4: them to Leslie or she was c seed. Dad usually 286 00:17:17,156 --> 00:17:21,156 Speaker 4: didn't take screenshots. He just copypasted the text, so there's 287 00:17:21,156 --> 00:17:25,316 Speaker 4: often only from and two names and a date. But 288 00:17:25,436 --> 00:17:28,236 Speaker 4: now I'm thinking, hang on, it's weird. How many of 289 00:17:28,276 --> 00:17:31,916 Speaker 4: these direct emails between Eric and Betty and Andrew we have. 290 00:17:32,916 --> 00:17:35,876 Speaker 4: How did my dad see these ones in Leslie's account? 291 00:17:36,436 --> 00:17:39,876 Speaker 4: Were they really all forwarded on to Leslie. Sometimes they're 292 00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:43,876 Speaker 4: even talking about Leslie and these emails, like here Eric 293 00:17:43,956 --> 00:17:45,756 Speaker 4: tells Betty and Andrew he's not going to make it 294 00:17:45,796 --> 00:17:47,916 Speaker 4: to the event in New Zealand. 295 00:17:48,836 --> 00:17:49,476 Speaker 5: I am not. 296 00:17:49,556 --> 00:17:52,036 Speaker 6: Sure I will make it for Leslie's wedding. I have 297 00:17:52,116 --> 00:17:54,796 Speaker 6: not told her yet since I do not want to 298 00:17:54,796 --> 00:17:55,516 Speaker 6: disappoint her. 299 00:17:56,356 --> 00:17:57,436 Speaker 5: Am I missing something? 300 00:17:59,236 --> 00:18:03,836 Speaker 4: So I asked Dad, there's emails that are directly from 301 00:18:05,196 --> 00:18:10,036 Speaker 4: Eric to Leslie's parents, and it's like he's not on CC. 302 00:18:10,276 --> 00:18:12,636 Speaker 5: So I don't understand how you have those emails. 303 00:18:14,676 --> 00:18:19,756 Speaker 9: I was also getting emails. I was spying, if you like, 304 00:18:19,916 --> 00:18:25,796 Speaker 9: on Eric's emails as well as Leslie's. How did that happen? 305 00:18:27,916 --> 00:18:31,996 Speaker 9: Because it's at one stage this is when I started 306 00:18:31,996 --> 00:18:38,836 Speaker 9: thinking that Leslie seemed to be using Eric as her 307 00:18:39,636 --> 00:18:42,316 Speaker 9: kind of alter ego or something. And I started to 308 00:18:42,356 --> 00:18:46,236 Speaker 9: think about that, and then I was thinking, well, if 309 00:18:46,316 --> 00:18:53,436 Speaker 9: she is Eric, then maybe I can look at Eric's 310 00:18:53,996 --> 00:18:55,836 Speaker 9: emails with her password. 311 00:18:57,916 --> 00:19:01,636 Speaker 5: And I did and it worked. Why didn't you tell 312 00:19:01,676 --> 00:19:03,836 Speaker 5: me this when we were talking about the hair? Sure 313 00:19:03,916 --> 00:19:04,596 Speaker 5: I told you this. 314 00:19:07,156 --> 00:19:11,356 Speaker 4: He definitely didn't. I think I would remember that when 315 00:19:11,396 --> 00:19:13,676 Speaker 4: I went back to New Zealand to start this investigation. 316 00:19:14,116 --> 00:19:17,436 Speaker 4: I asked Dad to step me through everything chronologically. We 317 00:19:17,516 --> 00:19:19,996 Speaker 4: mustn't have got to that bit. I'm sure, Tod, like 318 00:19:20,076 --> 00:19:22,236 Speaker 4: I've been through this whole thing trying to find the 319 00:19:22,276 --> 00:19:26,756 Speaker 4: real Eric t Weiss and the dude in Michigan and 320 00:19:27,356 --> 00:19:33,316 Speaker 4: all that stuff. How long after you you contacted him 321 00:19:33,916 --> 00:19:36,236 Speaker 4: and how long after you started accessing. 322 00:19:37,036 --> 00:19:38,836 Speaker 5: Before I twigged. 323 00:19:39,356 --> 00:19:42,076 Speaker 9: I can remember where I was in their basement there 324 00:19:43,076 --> 00:19:46,716 Speaker 9: and it was a bit of a breakthrough moment, as 325 00:19:46,756 --> 00:19:50,236 Speaker 9: you can imagine. And I still find it odd that 326 00:19:50,396 --> 00:19:54,196 Speaker 9: she went to the great lengths as she did if 327 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:58,596 Speaker 9: in fact Eric is her that his emails to her. 328 00:20:00,156 --> 00:20:02,996 Speaker 9: He emailed her as well, of course, giving her advice, 329 00:20:04,276 --> 00:20:07,956 Speaker 9: and she emailed him telling him how terrible things were 330 00:20:07,996 --> 00:20:12,116 Speaker 9: and blah blah blah. And I thought Eric did exist, 331 00:20:12,756 --> 00:20:17,156 Speaker 9: and it wasn't. And I still wouldn't write that off. 332 00:20:18,036 --> 00:20:22,236 Speaker 9: Even though the password seems to hang about us being 333 00:20:22,236 --> 00:20:22,636 Speaker 9: the same. 334 00:20:22,876 --> 00:20:26,076 Speaker 4: So you're saying that the password that you were using 335 00:20:26,116 --> 00:20:32,116 Speaker 4: for Leslie's emails is exactly the same password that logs 336 00:20:32,116 --> 00:20:36,596 Speaker 4: into the account for Eric t Weiss, which is a 337 00:20:36,636 --> 00:20:40,476 Speaker 4: Gmail account. So it's the same password, two different accounts. 338 00:20:41,076 --> 00:20:46,116 Speaker 5: Yes, And the fact is, oh my god, I. 339 00:20:46,116 --> 00:20:50,556 Speaker 4: Just I can't believe that I've been I've that I 340 00:20:50,596 --> 00:20:54,116 Speaker 4: haven't nailed this yet. You know, I've been working on 341 00:20:54,116 --> 00:20:59,236 Speaker 4: this thing for eight months and it turns out that 342 00:21:00,036 --> 00:21:04,796 Speaker 4: you had access to Eric t Weiss's in box as 343 00:21:04,796 --> 00:21:05,836 Speaker 4: well as Leslie's. 344 00:21:06,636 --> 00:21:10,516 Speaker 5: Like, don't you think that's crucial? Like, I'm sure, I 345 00:21:10,636 --> 00:21:11,756 Speaker 5: told you, I'm sure. 346 00:21:11,916 --> 00:21:17,836 Speaker 9: I am just absolutely like obviously you didn't get it. 347 00:21:16,796 --> 00:21:24,156 Speaker 4: Leslie is Eric. I am just like, I don't even 348 00:21:24,196 --> 00:21:26,356 Speaker 4: know what to make of this whole thing. 349 00:21:26,476 --> 00:21:26,716 Speaker 5: Now. 350 00:21:27,716 --> 00:21:33,316 Speaker 4: It's crazier than I thought it was, so there it is. 351 00:21:34,156 --> 00:21:38,436 Speaker 4: Eric and Leslie had the same email password and. 352 00:21:41,916 --> 00:21:42,916 Speaker 5: The Great Houdini. 353 00:21:45,476 --> 00:21:49,316 Speaker 4: After reading all these emails over and over, wondering about 354 00:21:49,356 --> 00:21:52,036 Speaker 4: whether the people in them are real or not, I 355 00:21:52,116 --> 00:21:56,316 Speaker 4: kind of feel like I know the gang, Eric Jackie 356 00:21:56,676 --> 00:22:00,556 Speaker 4: Scooter Dad says. The emails from Eric's account slowed down. 357 00:22:00,596 --> 00:22:03,956 Speaker 4: After a while, Eric and the Gang's story started to 358 00:22:03,956 --> 00:22:04,596 Speaker 4: come to an end. 359 00:22:05,076 --> 00:22:07,516 Speaker 6: I am working a long hours trying to get these 360 00:22:07,556 --> 00:22:10,636 Speaker 6: contracts back in place. Not to mention, I am getting 361 00:22:10,716 --> 00:22:15,076 Speaker 6: tired of the music scene. It is grueling hours. Most 362 00:22:15,076 --> 00:22:18,636 Speaker 6: of the bands that I represent are immature punks whose 363 00:22:18,716 --> 00:22:22,916 Speaker 6: heads are up their weirs. I found out today that 364 00:22:23,036 --> 00:22:26,996 Speaker 6: Jackie has been put on permanent disability and will definitely 365 00:22:27,036 --> 00:22:30,436 Speaker 6: not be coming back to work, So Scooter is going 366 00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:32,076 Speaker 6: to help me out three days a week. 367 00:22:35,396 --> 00:22:42,876 Speaker 4: Jackie the EA's hysterectomy mustn't have gone well. Okay, So 368 00:22:42,996 --> 00:22:45,596 Speaker 4: now we know pretty much for certain that this whole 369 00:22:45,636 --> 00:22:50,596 Speaker 4: world really is in Leslie's imagination. So if Leslie created 370 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:54,076 Speaker 4: and played the role of Eric and Jackie and Scooter 371 00:22:54,236 --> 00:22:57,076 Speaker 4: and probably more I don't even know about, it just 372 00:22:57,236 --> 00:23:00,756 Speaker 4: seems so weird the lengths she went to to deceive 373 00:23:01,236 --> 00:23:06,676 Speaker 4: her own parents. At the very least, Betty seems totally 374 00:23:06,716 --> 00:23:10,356 Speaker 4: convinced that Eric is real and to be. Other people 375 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:13,836 Speaker 4: were convinced by Leslie's world along the way, even Kiwi back. 376 00:23:14,836 --> 00:23:17,716 Speaker 4: It feels like Leslie herself might be so far into 377 00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:21,236 Speaker 4: this fantasy that she sort of believes in it, or 378 00:23:21,276 --> 00:23:24,636 Speaker 4: at least she uses the characters to create an ideal 379 00:23:24,756 --> 00:23:27,476 Speaker 4: version of herself and a world that she had liked 380 00:23:27,476 --> 00:23:27,876 Speaker 4: to live in. 381 00:23:29,236 --> 00:23:31,996 Speaker 6: Scooter feels that you have what it takes to be 382 00:23:32,156 --> 00:23:37,556 Speaker 6: a wonderful writer. He believes you would be great. That's scriptwriting. 383 00:23:40,796 --> 00:23:43,876 Speaker 4: It makes me think, am I trying to understand something 384 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:48,316 Speaker 4: more complicated with Leslie than where I first started. Leslie 385 00:23:48,396 --> 00:23:51,876 Speaker 4: doesn't just use fake documents. It looks like Leslie is 386 00:23:51,916 --> 00:23:56,236 Speaker 4: prepared to use fake personas. So tracking her down and 387 00:23:56,396 --> 00:23:58,996 Speaker 4: working out what's real and what's not could be more 388 00:23:58,996 --> 00:24:01,796 Speaker 4: difficult than I thought. But I have to give it 389 00:24:01,836 --> 00:24:04,916 Speaker 4: a go. I need to get onto Leslie's home turf. 390 00:24:05,596 --> 00:24:08,476 Speaker 4: I need to go to the US. I can only 391 00:24:08,476 --> 00:24:11,956 Speaker 4: find out more about what's real by playing an away game. 392 00:24:12,956 --> 00:24:15,756 Speaker 4: This is a trip my family has always wondered about. 393 00:24:16,076 --> 00:24:19,676 Speaker 10: Every time there was an earfair to Los Angeles that 394 00:24:19,836 --> 00:24:22,836 Speaker 10: was a good price, we'd think, let's get on that 395 00:24:24,156 --> 00:24:25,396 Speaker 10: and go and find her. 396 00:24:26,196 --> 00:24:28,556 Speaker 4: Before I get on a plane. I want to understand 397 00:24:28,556 --> 00:24:32,036 Speaker 4: what they would want as closure. Years ago, I remember 398 00:24:32,116 --> 00:24:35,996 Speaker 4: Mum saying she was tempted to want some sort of revenge. 399 00:24:36,676 --> 00:24:37,676 Speaker 4: I asked her about that. 400 00:24:38,556 --> 00:24:41,956 Speaker 10: Oh no, I wouldn't say revenge was the word. What 401 00:24:42,236 --> 00:24:47,196 Speaker 10: really In the early days, I just thought, you, poor 402 00:24:47,956 --> 00:24:56,516 Speaker 10: silly woman, what have you done. No, it was never revenge. 403 00:24:56,556 --> 00:25:01,756 Speaker 10: It was to get greer keeled. To be in something 404 00:25:01,836 --> 00:25:03,916 Speaker 10: like this, you feel like you've got to have the 405 00:25:03,996 --> 00:25:08,276 Speaker 10: last word maybe to see that they haven't destroyed you, 406 00:25:10,236 --> 00:25:13,276 Speaker 10: but to let them have a moment of discomfort. 407 00:25:14,836 --> 00:25:18,436 Speaker 4: And while my dad spent years investigating this himself, he 408 00:25:18,516 --> 00:25:19,836 Speaker 4: wasn't after revenge either. 409 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:26,796 Speaker 9: Just answers. I wasn't revengeful or really wanting compensation. If 410 00:25:26,796 --> 00:25:29,516 Speaker 9: there was some available, I wouldn't turn it down, of course, 411 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:34,716 Speaker 9: but the prime goal was to figure out what the 412 00:25:34,756 --> 00:25:35,916 Speaker 9: heck was going on here. 413 00:25:38,396 --> 00:25:40,956 Speaker 4: Dad found out a surprising amount of stuff from my 414 00:25:41,116 --> 00:25:44,556 Speaker 4: Auntie's basement in Auckland, but eventually he had to put 415 00:25:44,556 --> 00:25:46,436 Speaker 4: it all aside and get a job. 416 00:25:46,756 --> 00:25:48,916 Speaker 9: I had to pull finger and do something. You know, 417 00:25:49,396 --> 00:25:53,116 Speaker 9: you had retired, Yeah, I had retired really, so I 418 00:25:53,156 --> 00:25:55,156 Speaker 9: had to sort of rejig my life a bit there. 419 00:25:57,716 --> 00:26:02,196 Speaker 9: What I would really like is for her to acknowledge 420 00:26:03,316 --> 00:26:08,476 Speaker 9: that she's caused a lot of strife, to basically understand 421 00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:14,356 Speaker 9: what she's done, and to try and not do things 422 00:26:14,396 --> 00:26:15,356 Speaker 9: like this in the future. 423 00:26:17,236 --> 00:26:21,436 Speaker 4: And my brother Greg would like to hear Leslie say sorry. 424 00:26:22,956 --> 00:26:27,476 Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind getting an apology, well, not for. 425 00:26:27,556 --> 00:26:30,956 Speaker 5: Me, but for mom and Dad. Yeah, an apology. It'd 426 00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:31,436 Speaker 5: be nice. 427 00:26:36,236 --> 00:26:39,116 Speaker 4: Before Dad packed up the big box of Leslie docks, 428 00:26:39,596 --> 00:26:42,276 Speaker 4: he had one last ditch idea about how to tie 429 00:26:42,356 --> 00:26:46,796 Speaker 4: up some loose ends. Dad pitched the story to America's 430 00:26:46,796 --> 00:26:54,116 Speaker 4: TV drama magnet and mustache enthusiast Doctor Phil. The letter 431 00:26:54,116 --> 00:26:56,876 Speaker 4: he wrote is five pages long and there's a bunch 432 00:26:56,916 --> 00:26:59,796 Speaker 4: of attachments. I thought my bro Simon might be interested 433 00:26:59,796 --> 00:27:02,036 Speaker 4: in seeing it. Simon, you know how Dad was pretty 434 00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:04,756 Speaker 4: obsessed with investigating this whole thing. Did you know he 435 00:27:04,796 --> 00:27:09,356 Speaker 4: actually actually wrote a letter to Doctor Phil pitching our story? 436 00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:11,996 Speaker 5: Serious? Have you got any have you got? 437 00:27:12,036 --> 00:27:12,196 Speaker 3: This? 438 00:27:12,236 --> 00:27:14,876 Speaker 5: Is it here? It's in comic sans font. 439 00:27:14,996 --> 00:27:19,556 Speaker 4: Oh my god, it is and I really like the 440 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:20,876 Speaker 4: top line of it. 441 00:27:20,876 --> 00:27:22,276 Speaker 5: It's is a. 442 00:27:22,236 --> 00:27:26,996 Speaker 4: Tale of deception, fraud, narcissism and devastation. 443 00:27:27,556 --> 00:27:28,556 Speaker 5: That's my impression of Dad. 444 00:27:28,676 --> 00:27:31,716 Speaker 2: It's straight off the bit, like intense. 445 00:27:31,836 --> 00:27:33,836 Speaker 5: It's brilliant. What do you think of my impression of Dad? 446 00:27:34,116 --> 00:27:36,596 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I know what you're getting. It like 447 00:27:36,996 --> 00:27:39,156 Speaker 2: slightly exaggerated, but pretty spot up. 448 00:27:39,516 --> 00:27:44,076 Speaker 4: Even though I'm now investigating this story for Australia's national broadcaster, 449 00:27:44,796 --> 00:27:47,916 Speaker 4: every time I call Dad, he still brings up getting 450 00:27:47,956 --> 00:27:50,996 Speaker 4: our story and Leslie on Doctor Phil. 451 00:27:51,676 --> 00:27:53,156 Speaker 5: You know, Mum was. 452 00:27:53,196 --> 00:27:56,396 Speaker 9: Looking at Doctor Phil the other day and Mum and 453 00:27:56,436 --> 00:27:58,916 Speaker 9: I were saying, she needs to get on doctor Phil. 454 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:03,116 Speaker 5: I don't know why you're obsessed with Doctor Phil. Well, he. 455 00:28:06,196 --> 00:28:07,556 Speaker 9: Gets to the bottom of things. 456 00:28:09,716 --> 00:28:11,316 Speaker 5: I'm getting to the bottom of things. 457 00:28:11,556 --> 00:28:12,356 Speaker 1: I know you are. 458 00:28:12,636 --> 00:28:14,876 Speaker 4: I may not be Doctor Phil, but I'm going to 459 00:28:14,916 --> 00:28:19,636 Speaker 4: back that up and get answers for my family. It's 460 00:28:19,676 --> 00:28:22,876 Speaker 4: time to get on a plane to the United States. 461 00:28:25,196 --> 00:28:26,916 Speaker 9: Forget a kind of forces, for like a job. 462 00:28:27,716 --> 00:28:30,516 Speaker 2: He said to himself. 463 00:28:31,036 --> 00:28:33,516 Speaker 4: Sure, Greg isn't coming with me to the US, And 464 00:28:33,676 --> 00:28:36,716 Speaker 4: I get that he wants answers and an apology for 465 00:28:36,796 --> 00:28:39,196 Speaker 4: what Leslie did to him, but he doesn't want to 466 00:28:39,236 --> 00:28:41,036 Speaker 4: wade that far back into this part. 467 00:28:40,916 --> 00:28:45,996 Speaker 5: Of his life. All right, touchdown USA. Here. I am 468 00:28:46,116 --> 00:28:46,716 Speaker 5: in LA. 469 00:28:47,596 --> 00:28:49,596 Speaker 4: Every time I come here, I kind of think about 470 00:28:50,196 --> 00:28:51,916 Speaker 4: doing the mission that I'm about to set off on, 471 00:28:52,116 --> 00:28:56,396 Speaker 4: going to find Leslie and hear her side of the story. 472 00:28:57,556 --> 00:29:00,556 Speaker 4: It's just unreal to actually be doing it this time. 473 00:29:01,836 --> 00:29:03,556 Speaker 4: The lead up to the strip has been kind of 474 00:29:03,636 --> 00:29:07,436 Speaker 4: nerve wracking. I felt like I needed some support. So 475 00:29:07,596 --> 00:29:10,636 Speaker 4: my other brother, Simon is coming for backup. I meet 476 00:29:10,716 --> 00:29:11,596 Speaker 4: up with him at the airport. 477 00:29:13,676 --> 00:29:16,356 Speaker 5: Oh, there he is. There's my boy. 478 00:29:16,436 --> 00:29:20,556 Speaker 4: Here's my bro Simon arriving after what a fifteen hour flight. 479 00:29:21,236 --> 00:29:23,556 Speaker 4: It looks pretty fresh. Easy to look fresh when you've 480 00:29:23,556 --> 00:29:26,036 Speaker 4: got no hair, though, how are you a man? 481 00:29:26,356 --> 00:29:26,996 Speaker 10: That's horrible? 482 00:29:27,236 --> 00:29:29,516 Speaker 2: Layover in Fiji for els is pretty tight. 483 00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:32,236 Speaker 5: Good to see you know you too, bro. 484 00:29:33,356 --> 00:29:35,276 Speaker 4: The plan is to jump in a car and work 485 00:29:35,316 --> 00:29:37,836 Speaker 4: our way through the places I think Leslie might have lived. 486 00:29:39,356 --> 00:29:41,836 Speaker 4: When I show Simon the car that I've hired, he's 487 00:29:42,236 --> 00:29:45,876 Speaker 4: not best pleased that I went for the economy hatchback, 488 00:29:46,436 --> 00:29:48,436 Speaker 4: so he insists on an upgrade. 489 00:29:48,676 --> 00:29:51,156 Speaker 2: We've got a muscle car. We've got a twenty nineteen 490 00:29:51,556 --> 00:29:52,396 Speaker 2: Dodge Challenger. 491 00:29:52,476 --> 00:29:54,996 Speaker 5: Here it looks like a sting ray on wheels. 492 00:29:55,116 --> 00:29:58,556 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel like pack of cocks as well. 493 00:29:58,876 --> 00:30:00,396 Speaker 5: Is it part of that part of that going on? 494 00:30:00,476 --> 00:30:00,996 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 495 00:30:01,196 --> 00:30:01,796 Speaker 5: It's definitely. 496 00:30:02,396 --> 00:30:03,836 Speaker 4: People will look at it and kind of go, you're 497 00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:05,276 Speaker 4: trying to enhance something here. 498 00:30:07,276 --> 00:30:11,876 Speaker 5: Hey, Yeah, it's not the most inconspicuous car to be 499 00:30:11,996 --> 00:30:14,076 Speaker 5: driving around. And as we try to sniff out. 500 00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:20,556 Speaker 4: Information, the first rule of trying to be a detective 501 00:30:20,676 --> 00:30:27,476 Speaker 4: is incognito looks stylish. Our first stop is to cruise 502 00:30:27,516 --> 00:30:30,316 Speaker 4: by the house Leslie grew up in. I just want 503 00:30:30,356 --> 00:30:35,276 Speaker 4: to understand where she really comes from. We're just going 504 00:30:35,316 --> 00:30:38,236 Speaker 4: to like kind of park, maybe even just here, which 505 00:30:38,316 --> 00:30:39,116 Speaker 4: is right on the corner. 506 00:30:39,196 --> 00:30:41,156 Speaker 5: We need to kind of figure out which house it is. 507 00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:46,476 Speaker 5: So it's just still a drive by. So how would 508 00:30:46,476 --> 00:30:48,076 Speaker 5: you describe this area, man, Well, it's. 509 00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:48,756 Speaker 2: A big fear like. 510 00:30:49,676 --> 00:30:52,556 Speaker 5: It's not exactly what you It doesn't scream trust fund. 511 00:30:53,516 --> 00:30:56,956 Speaker 4: This place is exactly how my brother Greg first described it. 512 00:30:57,276 --> 00:31:01,316 Speaker 4: It's classic Middle America houses close together, grassy front yards 513 00:31:01,356 --> 00:31:02,076 Speaker 4: without fences. 514 00:31:02,716 --> 00:31:05,276 Speaker 5: We pull up across the road, there's a blue and 515 00:31:05,356 --> 00:31:07,956 Speaker 5: a red car parked in the driveway. 516 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:11,916 Speaker 2: So it's the house beside there. Old, it's the one 517 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:15,396 Speaker 2: up there. Okay, My first rule of a stalkout sus 518 00:31:15,516 --> 00:31:16,236 Speaker 2: out which house did it? 519 00:31:16,316 --> 00:31:17,556 Speaker 5: So it's the one beside that. 520 00:31:18,636 --> 00:31:21,196 Speaker 4: Now we're looking at the right house. It doesn't look 521 00:31:21,276 --> 00:31:24,636 Speaker 4: like anyone's home. Leslie had used this address a lot 522 00:31:24,756 --> 00:31:27,396 Speaker 4: over the years, Like it's the home with that phone 523 00:31:27,476 --> 00:31:30,276 Speaker 4: number given to Kiwi Bank that was supposedly for Eric 524 00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:34,516 Speaker 4: t Weiss. Someone in this house apparently took the bank's 525 00:31:34,556 --> 00:31:38,196 Speaker 4: call to vouch for Leslie's trust fund. Betty and Andrew 526 00:31:38,436 --> 00:31:41,516 Speaker 4: might still live here, but we figure it's too early 527 00:31:41,596 --> 00:31:43,716 Speaker 4: to try and talk to them. I need to find 528 00:31:43,836 --> 00:31:47,036 Speaker 4: Leslie first. If she had warning I'm out here looking 529 00:31:47,076 --> 00:31:49,516 Speaker 4: for her, she could go to ground and I might 530 00:31:49,596 --> 00:31:53,956 Speaker 4: never find her. At different times, Leslie's lived all over 531 00:31:54,036 --> 00:31:57,276 Speaker 4: the state of California, and what I think was Leslie's 532 00:31:57,316 --> 00:32:02,356 Speaker 4: first bar before New Zealand, before Hawaii. Her first business ever, 533 00:32:02,476 --> 00:32:04,516 Speaker 4: as far as I can tell, was up the top 534 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:07,636 Speaker 4: of the state, in a place called Taho. That's where 535 00:32:07,636 --> 00:32:10,356 Speaker 4: we're going to start knocking on doors. So we head 536 00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:18,356 Speaker 4: off on the long drive north. I have to say, 537 00:32:18,396 --> 00:32:21,516 Speaker 4: you've made a pretty unusual choice of snacks, bro, I mean, like, 538 00:32:22,556 --> 00:32:25,036 Speaker 4: who gets banana chips and beef jerky? 539 00:32:25,236 --> 00:32:28,036 Speaker 2: I mean, well, I I wanted to stay away from sugar, 540 00:32:28,596 --> 00:32:30,756 Speaker 2: but so I've just gone to I don't know what. 541 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:32,036 Speaker 2: I don't know what you'd call it. 542 00:32:32,196 --> 00:32:35,156 Speaker 5: To tell you then, just beef jerky. It's just it's 543 00:32:35,476 --> 00:32:36,356 Speaker 5: like eating avelmet. 544 00:32:36,436 --> 00:32:36,916 Speaker 1: Have you tried that? 545 00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:41,236 Speaker 5: It's gross, It's actually edible. It's leather. Give me some, 546 00:32:41,996 --> 00:32:45,596 Speaker 5: Give me some chips, don't even Yeah, we have to 547 00:32:45,596 --> 00:32:46,076 Speaker 5: stop again. 548 00:32:46,156 --> 00:32:54,236 Speaker 4: Sometimes after some bad snacks and a long drive, the 549 00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:57,076 Speaker 4: palm trees give way to pine trees as we climb 550 00:32:57,116 --> 00:33:01,196 Speaker 4: in altitude and high up in the mountains, we finally 551 00:33:01,236 --> 00:33:08,276 Speaker 4: spot like Tahoe. Wow, this is a beautiful spot. I'm 552 00:33:08,356 --> 00:33:11,836 Speaker 4: sitting on a bowl at a mountain pass. There's snow 553 00:33:12,036 --> 00:33:15,676 Speaker 4: on the ground all around me. Pine trees in the distance, 554 00:33:15,876 --> 00:33:20,236 Speaker 4: rolling hills have snow all over them, and out to 555 00:33:20,316 --> 00:33:23,916 Speaker 4: my left I can see the shimmering blue of Lake Tahoe. 556 00:33:24,356 --> 00:33:29,076 Speaker 4: And we've come here because this is where Leslie owned 557 00:33:29,636 --> 00:33:32,596 Speaker 4: her first bar, the Breakwater, which is what the one 558 00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:33,916 Speaker 4: in Hawaii was named after. 559 00:33:34,556 --> 00:33:38,836 Speaker 5: And Simon's taking a picture of the lake next to me. Simon, 560 00:33:39,356 --> 00:33:44,796 Speaker 5: we're company busting at a selfie. But okay, well, it. 561 00:33:44,836 --> 00:33:46,956 Speaker 4: Was twenty years ago that Leslie was here. It's quite 562 00:33:46,956 --> 00:33:51,116 Speaker 4: a transient town. There's a lot of sort of tourist operators. 563 00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:54,476 Speaker 4: It's seasonal. So in my inquiries so far, I've actually 564 00:33:54,476 --> 00:33:56,956 Speaker 4: found it quite hard to speak to anybody that was 565 00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:58,836 Speaker 4: here in the early two thousands. 566 00:33:58,956 --> 00:33:59,556 Speaker 2: Is there anybody. 567 00:33:59,716 --> 00:34:03,836 Speaker 4: I've been told that the guy who sort of runs 568 00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:07,116 Speaker 4: the place that Leslie had her business remembers things, and 569 00:34:07,316 --> 00:34:09,996 Speaker 4: I was told that, and so he's still yeah, And 570 00:34:10,116 --> 00:34:12,196 Speaker 4: he said through somebody else that he didn't want to 571 00:34:12,236 --> 00:34:14,916 Speaker 4: talk because he thought Leslie runs with a pretty dodgy crowd, 572 00:34:14,996 --> 00:34:15,876 Speaker 4: and he was a bit scared. 573 00:34:16,196 --> 00:34:19,076 Speaker 2: Okay, well, what's he going to be like once we 574 00:34:19,156 --> 00:34:20,076 Speaker 2: turn into his doorstare? 575 00:34:20,596 --> 00:34:24,036 Speaker 4: Oh, I have to be nice before we start talking 576 00:34:24,076 --> 00:34:26,236 Speaker 4: to the locals. Though, I've got some documents I want 577 00:34:26,276 --> 00:34:30,156 Speaker 4: to look at walking into the elder Otto court taking 578 00:34:30,196 --> 00:34:34,876 Speaker 4: a short cut over some snow. I've searched the court 579 00:34:34,956 --> 00:34:37,356 Speaker 4: records online. It seems like there might have been some 580 00:34:37,596 --> 00:34:42,716 Speaker 4: drama here as well. And Simon's just pulled up to 581 00:34:42,796 --> 00:34:45,116 Speaker 4: pick me up. I've got a couple of papers to 582 00:34:45,196 --> 00:34:46,756 Speaker 4: talk them through that I managed. 583 00:34:46,476 --> 00:34:49,556 Speaker 5: To get from in there. Hey man, so what's the boss? 584 00:34:50,836 --> 00:34:53,196 Speaker 4: So there was about eight cases versus the minuchiins that 585 00:34:53,276 --> 00:34:55,676 Speaker 4: come up on the online search. But it's important to 586 00:34:55,756 --> 00:34:58,316 Speaker 4: note that these didn't end up in a judgment, so 587 00:34:58,396 --> 00:35:03,076 Speaker 4: there was some sort of settlement before they went too far. 588 00:35:03,316 --> 00:35:07,116 Speaker 4: But these files were put through to the court and 589 00:35:07,756 --> 00:35:13,196 Speaker 4: they basically look like Leslie and Andrew because he was 590 00:35:13,196 --> 00:35:17,716 Speaker 4: the licensee of the breakwater and Tahoe weren't paying their rent. 591 00:35:17,996 --> 00:35:20,196 Speaker 2: But Andrew, I mean her dad, Dad. 592 00:35:20,356 --> 00:35:23,716 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been at least a couple of times where 593 00:35:23,716 --> 00:35:25,396 Speaker 4: they got served a notice and I'll just read it 594 00:35:25,436 --> 00:35:27,756 Speaker 4: out to you. Please take notice that you were in 595 00:35:27,836 --> 00:35:30,836 Speaker 4: default of payment and rent in the estimated amount of 596 00:35:31,636 --> 00:35:34,676 Speaker 4: five hundred and nineteen dollars. This is the kind of 597 00:35:34,756 --> 00:35:37,676 Speaker 4: thing that happened in New Zealand and Hawaii, so the 598 00:35:37,756 --> 00:35:41,436 Speaker 4: pattern goes back twenty years. The interesting thing is this 599 00:35:41,596 --> 00:35:44,356 Speaker 4: time her parents might have been involved in the business. 600 00:35:44,836 --> 00:35:47,956 Speaker 4: Their names are on the paperwork as managers and licensees 601 00:35:47,996 --> 00:35:51,396 Speaker 4: of the bar. To me, this just says that there 602 00:35:51,556 --> 00:35:57,316 Speaker 4: was perhaps not the slickest of management of the breakwater 603 00:35:57,436 --> 00:36:01,956 Speaker 4: in Tahoe. And it's reminiscent of The Dragonfly for sure, 604 00:36:02,156 --> 00:36:04,676 Speaker 4: sort of having bills not being paid and people chasing them. 605 00:36:04,916 --> 00:36:08,036 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was exactly the same. People were serving notices 606 00:36:08,076 --> 00:36:08,716 Speaker 2: all over the show. 607 00:36:10,156 --> 00:36:12,636 Speaker 4: But these documents can only tell me bits and pieces. 608 00:36:13,276 --> 00:36:15,396 Speaker 4: I want to talk to the landlords who were chasing 609 00:36:15,436 --> 00:36:18,156 Speaker 4: that rent from Leslie. Her bar was in a marina, 610 00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:21,276 Speaker 4: a group of shops and restaurants right on Lake Tahoe. 611 00:36:21,836 --> 00:36:23,876 Speaker 4: So we head over to the marina to see who 612 00:36:23,916 --> 00:36:24,436 Speaker 4: we can find. 613 00:36:27,876 --> 00:36:30,276 Speaker 5: This is the spot where the breakwater was. There's the 614 00:36:30,436 --> 00:36:32,876 Speaker 5: Artemis Cafe here, which is. 615 00:36:32,836 --> 00:36:34,796 Speaker 4: Where the breakwater was. I'm looking at it now. It's 616 00:36:34,836 --> 00:36:37,596 Speaker 4: kind of got a log cabin feel to it. The 617 00:36:37,676 --> 00:36:40,956 Speaker 4: rest of the marina has a boat higher and a 618 00:36:41,036 --> 00:36:43,716 Speaker 4: grill that's right out on the water looking out at 619 00:36:43,756 --> 00:36:47,476 Speaker 4: the Lake of Tahoe, which is super nice. And it's 620 00:36:47,516 --> 00:36:50,196 Speaker 4: a great spot that Leslie had chosen for the first 621 00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:54,636 Speaker 4: hospitality business she had, the breakwater. And I'm basically going 622 00:36:54,716 --> 00:36:56,636 Speaker 4: to go in there now and just skulk around and 623 00:36:56,636 --> 00:36:59,716 Speaker 4: see if I can find anybody who was here twenty 624 00:36:59,796 --> 00:37:01,476 Speaker 4: years ago that might be able to tell me anything. 625 00:37:03,036 --> 00:37:06,316 Speaker 6: I remember Nay, they used to have some ragi or 626 00:37:06,396 --> 00:37:09,596 Speaker 6: parties out in the front of the plaza there doors, 627 00:37:09,636 --> 00:37:11,676 Speaker 6: and he used to be pretty back. 628 00:37:12,236 --> 00:37:14,676 Speaker 3: She did good business from what I understand. 629 00:37:15,036 --> 00:37:18,076 Speaker 5: Right, And by she you mean Leslie, the lady who 630 00:37:18,116 --> 00:37:19,036 Speaker 5: owned the Breakwaders. 631 00:37:19,276 --> 00:37:20,996 Speaker 3: Yes, I think she had a partner, but I can't 632 00:37:20,996 --> 00:37:22,116 Speaker 3: remember who it was. 633 00:37:23,196 --> 00:37:26,436 Speaker 4: All these memories and finding are pretty vague. But I 634 00:37:26,596 --> 00:37:28,436 Speaker 4: know there's a guy around here who's been running the 635 00:37:28,516 --> 00:37:31,676 Speaker 4: marina the whole time. I heard this guy remembers Leslie, 636 00:37:32,116 --> 00:37:35,796 Speaker 4: but that he keeps to himself. Also, apparently he's nervous 637 00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:38,756 Speaker 4: about stirring anything dodgy out. I reckon I can explain 638 00:37:38,836 --> 00:37:40,196 Speaker 4: things if I can just find him. 639 00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,636 Speaker 5: I can't even find any pictures online, so I don't 640 00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:43,396 Speaker 5: know who I'm looking for. 641 00:37:46,676 --> 00:37:49,196 Speaker 4: There are offices above the shops I'm wandering through. I 642 00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:51,196 Speaker 4: see an open door, so I got upstairs. 643 00:37:53,316 --> 00:37:56,436 Speaker 5: Hello, We'll be right back. 644 00:37:59,156 --> 00:38:00,836 Speaker 4: Just as I give up and go to leave, I 645 00:38:00,916 --> 00:38:03,476 Speaker 4: walk right into him in the car park. He didn't 646 00:38:03,516 --> 00:38:06,516 Speaker 4: want to be recorded or named, but the conversation I 647 00:38:06,596 --> 00:38:09,756 Speaker 4: had with him was pretty interesting. When I found Simon again, 648 00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:15,956 Speaker 4: I turned my requorterback on. Alrighty bro, Yeah, So that 649 00:38:16,036 --> 00:38:18,876 Speaker 4: guy was happy to confirm for me that he reckoned. 650 00:38:18,876 --> 00:38:21,676 Speaker 4: Her parents owned the breakwater that was here, and she 651 00:38:21,756 --> 00:38:23,876 Speaker 4: was running it for them, and his words were she 652 00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:26,556 Speaker 4: ran it into the ground, she didn't pay rent, and 653 00:38:26,716 --> 00:38:30,236 Speaker 4: we had to a victor. So I guess that lines 654 00:38:30,316 --> 00:38:33,476 Speaker 4: up with what we found from the court today. 655 00:38:33,316 --> 00:38:36,316 Speaker 2: And lines up pretty hard with a dragonfly too. She's 656 00:38:36,356 --> 00:38:37,676 Speaker 2: definitely good at bearing restaurants. 657 00:38:40,356 --> 00:38:43,756 Speaker 4: So Leslie's business in Tahoe ended in a bin fire 658 00:38:44,316 --> 00:38:47,116 Speaker 4: like the ones after it in Hawaii and in zed 659 00:38:48,156 --> 00:38:50,676 Speaker 4: But could there be a difference to the pattern in Tahoe. 660 00:38:51,476 --> 00:38:56,436 Speaker 4: Maybe Leslie's parents were involved here. Leslie's dad, Andrew must 661 00:38:56,476 --> 00:38:58,956 Speaker 4: have had a sense about what happened in Tahoe. He 662 00:38:59,156 --> 00:39:01,196 Speaker 4: was named on a bunch of those court filings I 663 00:39:01,276 --> 00:39:05,076 Speaker 4: found where the marina owner was chasing rent. Both Betty 664 00:39:05,076 --> 00:39:08,116 Speaker 4: and Andrew are on the Tahoe breakwater Bars business paperwork 665 00:39:08,156 --> 00:39:12,516 Speaker 4: as managers, as well as the liquor license. We've heard 666 00:39:12,556 --> 00:39:15,436 Speaker 4: about how people in Hawaii and my family in Enzed 667 00:39:15,636 --> 00:39:18,116 Speaker 4: tried to talk to Leslie's parents about what was going on. 668 00:39:19,996 --> 00:39:23,156 Speaker 4: So are Lesley's parents just hapless victims and all this 669 00:39:24,356 --> 00:39:26,916 Speaker 4: or are they turning a blind eye to what Leslie does? 670 00:39:28,956 --> 00:39:31,396 Speaker 4: When Andrew wrote to my parents after the collapse of 671 00:39:31,396 --> 00:39:34,916 Speaker 4: The Dragonfly, could he have been alluding to his own experience. 672 00:39:35,836 --> 00:39:38,956 Speaker 5: As far as our empathy for you, it is more 673 00:39:39,076 --> 00:39:39,876 Speaker 5: than you realize. 674 00:39:44,076 --> 00:39:46,596 Speaker 4: My next lead is the most recent of found so far. 675 00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:49,556 Speaker 4: It's a clue about where Leslie went after she left 676 00:39:49,596 --> 00:39:53,956 Speaker 4: New Zealand. It's an online review of yet another restaurant. Somehow, 677 00:39:54,116 --> 00:39:57,796 Speaker 4: only four years after The Dragonfly and My Family went bust, 678 00:39:59,716 --> 00:40:02,076 Speaker 4: it reads like Leslie was back on her feet. 679 00:40:02,836 --> 00:40:06,076 Speaker 5: Leslie's next restaurant was called Phenomenal. 680 00:40:06,636 --> 00:40:10,796 Speaker 6: The whole Phenomenal concept was extreme, well thought out and executed. 681 00:40:10,836 --> 00:40:14,276 Speaker 3: By owner Leslie Minukian her prior experience of owning and 682 00:40:14,356 --> 00:40:16,476 Speaker 3: operating at Burger Bore in Lake tahoo. 683 00:40:16,436 --> 00:40:19,876 Speaker 5: A, California. Yeah, it's called Phenomenal with an f in 684 00:40:19,956 --> 00:40:21,436 Speaker 5: a town called Paesser Robels. 685 00:40:22,076 --> 00:40:23,156 Speaker 2: Well do she tricked into that? 686 00:40:25,036 --> 00:40:25,276 Speaker 5: Yeah? 687 00:40:25,676 --> 00:40:26,316 Speaker 10: Successful? 688 00:40:26,596 --> 00:40:29,636 Speaker 5: I mean made a lot of people unsuccessful, to be fair. 689 00:40:31,876 --> 00:40:33,436 Speaker 4: So we're going to go to Passa Robls and we're 690 00:40:33,436 --> 00:40:35,436 Speaker 4: gonna ask Graham and find out what happened with Phenomenal. 691 00:40:39,156 --> 00:40:43,196 Speaker 5: How are this is just insane? She told me, never 692 00:40:43,236 --> 00:40:44,916 Speaker 5: fall in love with a Kiwi. They're the worst men. 693 00:40:45,556 --> 00:40:48,076 Speaker 3: I have the worst news ever. 694 00:40:48,796 --> 00:40:50,556 Speaker 5: Oh shit, she's done it again. 695 00:40:50,956 --> 00:40:53,836 Speaker 3: A private investigator showed up at my door. 696 00:40:54,156 --> 00:40:55,116 Speaker 4: You did that on purpose? 697 00:40:56,756 --> 00:41:00,076 Speaker 5: She loved you? No, not at all. 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