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Speaker 3: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: All that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 3: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on, break

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Speaker 3: it on, Swim to the ground by Budda Baker like

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Speaker 3: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I ain't

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Speaker 3: scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 3: So if I start with the words, especially here in summertime,

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Speaker 3: with the following quote, we are all gathered here today

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Speaker 3: to make you think of a wedding, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if I was to say we're all gathered here today

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Speaker 3: to talk about pajama ball, I mean, it's what Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Gannon terned it.

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Speaker 2: It could have been a funeral, right.

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Speaker 4: Guess so I think more wedding. See, that's the difference

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Speaker 4: between Darren and myself.

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Speaker 3: There you go. I've ever heard one took us seventeen

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Speaker 3: seconds to reveal the difference between glass half empty and

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Speaker 3: glass half full, Danny versus Darren fair optimism, but fair

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Speaker 3: versus pessimism, or maybe just the dose a reality that

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Speaker 3: is Darren Urban. You're on Cardinals Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 3: by Pacific Office Automation POLY Podcast. Danny sirek. Pajama ball.

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Speaker 3: That's what Jonathan Gannon calls it. In the off season.

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Speaker 3: Bruce Arians used to refer to it what soccer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think with the rise in uh soccer

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Speaker 2: slash football in this country, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: the proper way to go anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just some way to say, Okay, these guys

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Speaker 3: are not wearing pads out there, But I mean pajama ball.

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Speaker 3: I didn't was unsure there for a minute talking about

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals roster or the media department. Here in about

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Speaker 3: forty eight hours, when everyone's on vacation, pajamas, Danny, how

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Speaker 3: much your vacation will you be spending in pajamas around

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Speaker 5: Probably not much. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean leading up to I've got a trip, so

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Speaker 4: I won't be really my pajamas because I won't be

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Speaker 4: spending much of my vacation at my house.

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Speaker 3: But so you're on relaxing, Okay, you're on the go, Darren.

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Speaker 2: I will also be on the go for part of it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a pajama person anyways, I certainly am. I'll

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Speaker 2: just take an offense at that, although I will say that, actually,

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Speaker 2: I think, Danny, you're just a little too far outside

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Speaker 2: that age range where it seems like everybody doesn't mind

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Speaker 2: wearing pajamas just as daily wear at this point.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't do that, but I like, I get

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Speaker 4: home from work, I immediately have to change out of

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Speaker 3: I have a thirteen year old who will leave for school.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so you didn't get out of your

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Speaker 4: Dad?

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Speaker 2: Is this a female?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Apparently is what these thirteen year olds are wearing.

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Speaker 3: They're wearing to junior high school.

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Speaker 2: My my wife's a high school teacher, and she sees

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Speaker 2: plenty of pajamas on both genders. Yeah, every day.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question before we go any.

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Speaker 2: Further here on play football in those though.

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Speaker 3: Show hands, do you guys think we have missed a

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Speaker 3: massive storyline right underneath our collective noses?

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Speaker 4: Is this what I think this is about? Are we

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Speaker 4: going to? Where is it Vegas? With the UFOs and

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Speaker 3: No conditioned.

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Speaker 4: That's one of those things where it's not football related.

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Speaker 3: Danny's been conditioned to keep your head on a swivel

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Speaker 3: for some story out of nowhere. I'm talking football and

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Speaker 3: I don't even think Zavin knows all that he can do.

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Speaker 3: this league. Talking about Zaven Collins at outside linebacker, Dennis

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Speaker 3: And then Dennis Gardick went on to say, and I'm quoting,

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Speaker 3: one thing we know over the years, players know players.

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Speaker 3: So when Dennis Gardek and Josh Woods unsolicited bring that

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Speaker 4: I think too, the difference of what has felt like

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Speaker 4: this feels more like an intentional move because of not

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Speaker 4: only what Zavin can do, but for the betterment of

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Speaker 5: So it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Why they would make that move out there, because we've

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Speaker 4: and the main difference of moving from inside to outside

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Speaker 4: that intelligence that everyone is talking about, I think he

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is, besides him, who else do you

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Speaker 4: you have Dennis Gardik, who's really been a utility player

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Speaker 4: be j O Jalai. Right, But we haven't seen him

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Speaker 4: seen it at all. We haven't seen him on the field,

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Speaker 4: so we don't really know what he can do or

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Speaker 4: the field at training camp. Even so, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of question marks, But I do think that Zavian is

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Speaker 4: the bright spot. When you're looking at this pass rush.

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Speaker 3: Gardik talks about just the fact that Mike linebacker, guess

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Speaker 3: what the offense can attack you from any sort of angle,

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Speaker 3: and it takes a moment to process, Okay, where is

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Speaker 3: this play coming from? Whereas it outside linebacker? It's real easy.

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Speaker 3: Either they're coming at you or they're going away from you.

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Speaker 3: It's one or the other. And just that simplicity and

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Speaker 3: the ability not to think nearly as much and react

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Speaker 2: I've always found Zavion to be a very intelligent kid,

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Speaker 2: so that that part of it certainly doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 2: It's it is interesting not just with Zavin, but with

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, the whole whole defense. How how this defense

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Speaker 2: expecting these guys to do things. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: Collins is clearly one of the more interesting for all

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Speaker 2: the reasons you've just listed, because of the fact that

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Speaker 2: they need an outside linebacker because he was drafted as

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Speaker 2: what he might be able to be. But it is

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Speaker 2: a fascinating story. But there's lots of fascinating stories on

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Speaker 2: this defense in terms of how they might break this down,

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Speaker 2: you know, thinking about, like we've talked about this before,

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Speaker 2: is this cornerback room going to look like like I don't.

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Speaker 2: It feels very like unsettled, like who are who are

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Speaker 2: I mean, it might end up being all the people

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Speaker 3: We had the question recently which position rooms right now

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Speaker 3: going into Cardinals camp twenty twenty three will be the

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Speaker 5: Out in terms of starters or.

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Speaker 3: biggest question mark slash concern in terms of a position room?

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Speaker 3: And my top five went like this number one, D line,

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Speaker 5: I don't disagree about concerns.

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Speaker 4: I think corner is really the only position where there

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Speaker 4: are questions in terms of starting, because we haven't really

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Speaker 4: seen everyone you know out here. Antonio Hamilton just came

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Speaker 4: while there are concerns, I think you can get pretty

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Speaker 4: close to who you think your starters are going to be.

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Speaker 5: On the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: Maybe are we saying that they're going to have two

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Speaker 4: My my rebuttal is, if he's being asked that of

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, of.

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Speaker 4: I think you can look at it right both ways

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Speaker 3: That's why I boil it down to players, No players,

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Speaker 2: I really know what I don't do or don't have

437
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Speaker 2: what's considered bolstering.

438
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 4: If we're talking about trading someone like Josh Jones and

439
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 4: you might not be getting a big time player, maybe

440
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 4: you're getting draft picks. I mean, is that considered bolstering

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 4: or you're talking about getting a player.

442
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: I'm talking more about adding a player or players to

443
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: certain position groups that you feel like are in need.

444
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: I think, for me, at this point, here's what we're

445
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: here's the kind of timeline we're looking at. Because everybody's

446
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 2: going to be going on vacation, including the general manager.

447
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: I think at this point you are probably gonna have

448
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: one or two spots open on the roster. You might

449
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: sign somebody right at the beginning of training camp. Who knows.

450
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: There was a report out there that the Cardinals were

451
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: looking at the ex Washington Center potentially Lawyer's been who's

452
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: been injured. But but again it's a center, so possibly,

453
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Speaker 2: and I could see maybe that at the outset of camp.

454
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Speaker 2: But when we're talking about adding other players, I think

455
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Speaker 2: that's in camp. I think if we're talking about potentially

456
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Speaker 2: trading somebody that's waiting to see if somebody needs somebody

457
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 2: before you make a trade, or or near the end

458
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Speaker 2: of the preseason. And it's funny that when you bring

459
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Speaker 2: up the before pads, because don't forget, we got to

460
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Speaker 2: get five days into training camp before they're already pads.

461
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Speaker 3: So that's excruciating. That's the hurry up and wait, yeah,

462
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: let's go Nope, nope, that'll shout. Not get full contact,

463
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: full speed football until five days into camp.

464
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's that's what I think. Is is

465
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Speaker 2: the is the kind of we're looking at.

466
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Speaker 3: Here's what we do know. Back to Danny's point, and

467
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: Will Hernandez said this on Wednesday of mini camp week

468
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: when asked about the new offense and the new mentality

469
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: on that side of the ball, and Will Hernandez said,

470
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: you know, just the fact we're going to emphasize the

471
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: run game and he paused for effect gets me real

472
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: excited and then he smiled. So further verification, in fact,

473
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: was zach Ertz on with Wolf on ninety eight to

474
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Speaker 3: seven FM Arizona Sports when asked how different is Drew

475
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: Petsing's offense from what has previously most recently been run

476
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: with the Cardinals, and zach Ertz said, and I quote,

477
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: it couldn't be more different than what Cliff ran. Wow,

478
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: so that's intriguing. In fact, that zach Ertz interview, I

479
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: jotted down a couple of notes from that, and he

480
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 3: was talking about in particular, just saying about with Cliff

481
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: and how the Cardinals were in the gun every play.

482
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Speaker 3: I'm loosely quoting, We're going to be under center a

483
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: lot more. I presume this is going to be a

484
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: coup b X style offense like Houston had back in

485
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: the day. That was his comparison, zach Ertz, So I

486
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: thought that was pretty interesting. He also said, you can

487
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: see the direction that this organization is going now prioritizing

488
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: the offensive and defensive line, and he said, you know what,

489
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: that is the best way to have consistency in the NFL,

490
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: because you can have all the skill guys you want,

491
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: but if you lose a few key offensive linemen, it's

492
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Speaker 3: really tough to win in this league. That was zach Ertz.

493
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Speaker 4: Think about the Cardinals the last few years and the

494
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: injuries and adversity and really looking at that offensive line.

495
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 4: I mean, that rings true.

496
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Speaker 3: He also mentioned just the attention to detail within the

497
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Speaker 3: coaching staff. That's sort of a hallmark what he's taken

498
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: away from what the coaches are doing so far.

499
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Speaker 4: That was off the top of my head a Wednesday

500
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: after mini camp, which player said that same thing when

501
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 4: talking about accountability, that it was making the small details

502
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: into bigger Hamilton, letting a your emphasis on those smaller

503
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 4: details when it comes to accountability.

504
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: It's what Jonathan Gann is repeatedly the called winning behavior, right, Yes,

505
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: that's winning behavior or non winning behavior. And it could

506
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: be something like eating your breakfast in a team meeting room,

507
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: or it could be a false start and an eleven

508
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: on eleven out there in a mandatory mini camp.

509
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: It's funny you bring that up. I think in my

510
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: upcoming mail bag somebody had a question of how making

511
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: the point how upset they were with how many pre

512
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: snap penalties this team had, And it'll be curious, I'll

513
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 2: be curious to see if that the accountability and then

514
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: the kind of how Gannon is running thing is kind

515
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: of trickles into that because there's there's usually there's usually

516
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: some parallelism there, like you can probably draw a line

517
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: from one to the other one.

518
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: Cardinals were top three in penalties last year.

519
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: They've been pretty high up there the last few year.

520
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: Two years before that they led the league yeah, so

521
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: think about that. No, it's the whole Cardinals beating Cardinals.

522
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: How many times after games did we hear that quote? Right,

523
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: it's the self inflicted, it's the it's the extra opponent

524
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: on your schedule every week. Yourself was the Cardinals.

525
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: Being down but still in the game last season and

526
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: then penalty after penalty shooting themselves in the on.

527
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 5: Foot on foot.

528
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, by the way, speaking of shooting yourself in

529
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: the foot or a foot injury, is that our segue

530
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: to Michael Wilson, how about that?

531
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Speaker 2: It can be, can be if you would choose to

532
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: have it be.

533
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if we were going Hollywood Brown.

534
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: You know, because he did have two years in a

535
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: row with that foot injury, which gives everyone a little

536
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: bit of pause. You know, we know what foot injuries

537
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: have meant for athletes over the years in various sports.

538
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: But knock on woods, So far, so good. Michael Wilson,

539
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: agree or disagree, Darren has really been one of those

540
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: talking points of the off season for the Cardinals.

541
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Again, I think Michael Wilson. I love the idea of

542
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson. He's a bigger receiver. I had a chance

543
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: to talk to former Bengals receiver TJ Huschmanza, who has

544
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: been his mentor and trainer twenty twenty, he can't talk

545
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: enough good things about Michael Wilson, usually dropping a few

546
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: choice F bombs in there, while come on TJ by

547
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: saying so, but it was he He loves Michael Wilson.

548
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: He believes Michael Wilson is one of the best receivers

549
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: in this draft period. Now again, I tend to be

550
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: I want to see it when it matters, and I

551
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: like Michael Wilson a lot Stanford kid, incredibly well spoken,

552
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: as many of these draft picks are. From our angle,

553
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: we absolutely want him to hit a big because he's

554
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: a great interview. But he's gonna have to perform. And

555
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: that's even beyond the fact that he's got to stay healthy.

556
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: But he's gonna have to perform. And until that kind

557
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: of that stuff starts happening, I'm always going to kind

558
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: of temper where I am with things.

559
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: I asked him his biggest challenge so far, as the

560
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: rookie said the playbook, havin to learn every single receiver position.

561
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: I so badly wanted to follow up with, but you're

562
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: a Stanford guy. With a couple of degrees. You know,

563
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: come on, the playbook shouldn't be a challenge whatsoever.

564
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, such a cal thing to sell.

565
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: But how often do you hear that?

566
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Right?

567
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: If you go to Harvard or Stanford, you're gonna get

568
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: that all the time. Right. If there's a mental error,

569
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, what are you doing? How dare you? By

570
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: the way, he spoke very highly of Key Troll Clark,

571
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: the round six rookie corner out of Louisville. Interesting, very interesting.

572
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Clark, who at some point might be one of our

573
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: social interns. He's been great taking pictures and doing it.

574
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 3: That's right. He commandeered Caitlin's camera at.

575
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: The d Backs game and some video and video for

576
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: a little bit too.

577
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: Does he have experiences department or is he.

578
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Just he He just says he thinks it's really he

579
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: really he thinks it's cool and it's something he wants

580
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: to get into.

581
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: I bring this up because Paris Johnson Junior actually has

582
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: experience doing Darren's job as an actual reporter on a beat.

583
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: As actually ask Paris Johnson if he would be interested.

584
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: I said, the first day was here. I'm like, I know,

585
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: you're just getting into all this, I certainly and maybe

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: not this year whatever, but I said, we would love

587
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: to have you do like a guest column every month

588
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: or so I would I told him that I think

589
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: he was a little overwhelmed at the time that he

590
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: was just arriving in the NFL, so probably not. I mean,

591
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: if you're looking at tops on his priority list, if you're.

592
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: Looking at the cornerback room right now, because when I

593
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: threw out there, the powerpole, the biggest concerns and or

594
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: needs going into camp, and I had d line one

595
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: and two, corner three and four. If Marco Wilson is

596
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: number one, if Antonio Hamilton is number two, just based

597
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: on the fact that he was a starting corner at

598
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: the end of Cardinals camp a year ago before the

599
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: foot injury, the tragic kitchen accident right with the hot

600
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: grease on his feet which derailed much of his season.

601
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: If he's back and he's one of the few really

602
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: experienced and proven corners in that room, we all know

603
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: you need at least three, ideally four corners to get

604
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: through a season without injury. You need those four corners,

605
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: depending on you know, you go dime or what have you.

606
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: I mean, key Troll Clark figures to be in the

607
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: mix for that number three corner spot at this point,

608
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: don't you think, Danny.

609
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty open whether it's Kee Troll Clark

610
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: or Christian Matthew or Rashad Fenton. I mean, there's a

611
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: couple of players where it seems like it's up for

612
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: anyone to get that third spot. And I think training

613
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: camp is really where we will see who was making

614
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: a reach for that spot and really all the positions

615
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: and a lot for what Michael Wilson was saying is

616
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 4: that's really you need to show up and you need

617
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: to know the playbook right. It's one thing to have

618
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: that natural ability and be able to go by, but

619
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: that's where what's really gonna secure a spot on the

620
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: team is showing up for training camp and knowing the plays.

621
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say again, with the new staff,

622
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is just me, and I know

623
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy was part of this last year too, but

624
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit premature. This is just me.

625
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit premature to think that

626
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: the two starting cornerbacks would be two holdovers from a

627
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: previous team with a new staff. I mean, I'm not

628
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: saying that Marco and or Antonio Hamilton won't be the starters,

629
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: but I think I would be more shocked if those

630
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: were the two starters than if one of them was

631
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: replaced for whatever reason. And it's not because of anything

632
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: I've seen. It's just that just doesn't ring true to me,

633
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: especially with wide as wide open as that room is.

634
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 3: And I'm with you, the allegiances are not there between

635
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: the decision makers and this roster. I told it, but

636
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: I just this in this case, though I look at

637
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Marco Wilson, Antonio Hamilton and then a lot of unproven.

638
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Players, that's probably true.

639
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: That's my only contention there. Now I'm guilty of this

640
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: forgetting all the time about the Cardinals third round pick

641
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: Garrett Williams out of Syracuse. Yeah, I mean, he was

642
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: the seventy second pick overall. Now, he tore his ACL

643
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: in October, so what's realistic as to when he might

644
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: be back and really ready to challenge for playing time.

645
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: But here's a guy who you know is a little

646
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: bit older. He was, you know, the team captain. He

647
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: was very skilled and accomplished at Syracuse. So if for

648
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: talking about Key Troll Clark out of Louisville Round six.

649
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 3: You certainly would have to put a healthy Garrett Williams

650
00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: into the mix.

651
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: I would think, Okay, here's my question for you too.

652
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Oh boy, We're going to do a cl power rankings

653
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Speaker 2: bye bye by week six, So that would.

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Speaker 4: Be a cl would be Garrett william zach Ertz, Kyler Murray.

655
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Speaker 2: Yes, by week six? Power rank me first being the

656
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Speaker 2: most impactful? What's your power rankings through the first six

657
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: games of the season.

658
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Speaker 3: Are we assuming all three of those players are going

659
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Speaker 3: to be back by No. Six?

660
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said we're doing a power ranking.

661
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Speaker 3: Most impactful by week six? Of those three, yeah, in

662
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: the first six games. First six games, now, maybe maybe

663
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Speaker 3: one plays two, maybe one plays none.

664
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Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't know any of this. So

665
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Speaker 2: that's why I'm saying. That's what makes it a good

666
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Speaker 2: talking point. Right now, what what's your power ranking? There?

667
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Danny, like, who would be the most impactful

668
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: over those over those first six games?

669
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Speaker 2: Who will be the most impactful?

670
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Speaker 4: How could you say anything other than your franchise quarterback

671
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Speaker 4: and Kyler.

672
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Speaker 2: Murray because he may not play it almost six games.

673
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, I'm including the fact that

674
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Speaker 2: they may not be back.

675
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Speaker 4: So then how's it's a podcast?

676
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that's a challenge. That is the challenge.

677
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: I get it well.

678
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Speaker 5: I mean to me, it's simple.

679
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Speaker 4: Would be your franchise quarterback, and Kyler Murray would be

680
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: the most impactful, and then after that would be zach Ertz.

681
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Because we don't know anything about Garrett Williams.

682
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: What if Gerrit Williams is the only one who's playing

683
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: in those first six weeks, then he's got to be

684
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Speaker 2: the number one guy. That's the point of the power rankings.

685
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I must not understand this exercise the way that

686
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Speaker 4: the two of you are.

687
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Speaker 5: But I'm sure sorry.

688
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to better paycheck.

689
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Speaker 4: I know, and I'm glad you didn't because I wouldn't have.

690
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Speaker 2: How about you, Paul, Wait, what's your power ranking?

691
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Speaker 3: Though? I would go zach Ertz, Kyler Murray, Garrett Williams.

692
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: That's that's that's the direction I would go.

693
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Speaker 2: So you're feeling fairly confident that Kyler is going to

694
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Speaker 2: get back in there, sooner rather than later.

695
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Speaker 3: I think we see all three before Halloween. Okay, I

696
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: would not bet we see all three in September. That's

697
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Speaker 3: that's doesn't sound right to me. I just don't think so,

698
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of really I think overly optimistic

699
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: projections that Kyler is going to be back sometime in September,

700
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Speaker 3: and I'm not banking on that. I am again, I

701
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: think zach Ertz would be more bullish than he is

702
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: now talking to the media if he's gonna be back

703
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Speaker 3: in September.

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Speaker 2: I would agree. I would say again with the disclaimer

705
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Speaker 2: that we don't know anything, and Jonathan Gannon has worked

706
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Speaker 2: really hard to make sure we didn't know anything. I

707
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Speaker 2: dismiss personally my gut, I dismiss Kyler Murray playing in

708
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Speaker 2: the first month as much as I dismissed Kyler Murray

709
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: not playing at all. Well, maybe not as much. I

710
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: think him not that the idea of him not playing

711
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Speaker 2: at all is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

712
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Speaker 2: He is going to play this season.

713
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Speaker 3: But if he can play, he will play.

714
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to play.

715
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Speaker 4: Is that sentiment jummer than what that Kyler shouldn't played,

716
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: then the Cardinals should just start Clinton toon all year

717
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: the rookie.

718
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's close. I still think. I still think I mean,

719
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: at least I feel like the Kyler stuff, I kind

720
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Speaker 2: of understand where people are arguing it. I don't think

721
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Speaker 2: it's based in reality whatsoever. Because with a new coach

722
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: and the circumstances that both Kyler and the team are in,

723
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Speaker 2: I think he needs to play this year to show

724
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: himself and everybody else what way he can do. But yeah,

725
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: I don't think Clayton Tune. I'm not saying Clayton Toon

726
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: might not play this year because we just watched four

727
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: quarterbacks start in four different weeks last year, so never

728
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: say never. But I just I think back to Danny

729
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: Green back in two thousand and four and it was

730
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Speaker 2: fits is for a rookie season and Josh McCown was

731
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: the starter when the season began, and he played okay football.

732
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: They won four a to six at one point with

733
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: him playing okay football, and Denny Green decided without telling

734
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: anybody on the publicly, that Sean King was gonna get

735
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: start in Carolina at the other end of that four

736
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Speaker 2: and two stretch. And I'll never forget it. Both myself

737
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: and Ken Summers were tipped off the night before, so

738
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 2: we were able to get it in the Sunday morning

739
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: newspaper that there was a quarterback change. Dennis Screen was

740
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: not happy about that. Sean King went out there and

741
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: the Cardinals lost thirty five to ten. Denny Green said,

742
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: Sean King played fantastic. He didn't really, I'd like he

743
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: had like three hundred eighty yards passing, but because they

744
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: were down so much.

745
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: And then sure, Sean King said he played fantastic as well.

746
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: Knowing Sean King, yes, I believe that is exactly what happened.

747
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: And then a couple weeks later they were going to

748
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Speaker 2: play in Detroit, and out of nowhere, Denny decides John Navarre,

749
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Speaker 2: the rookie seventh round pick, is going to get a start.

750
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: And that didn't go well either.

751
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, when you talk about how coaching is overrated, no,

752
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: in that case, no, because the head coach derailed the season.

753
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Speaker 3: He really did.

754
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: That was that was such a nutball I meantime, and I.

755
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: Just he was beyond volatile. Then the next year was

756
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: my first year is the sideline pencil nut guy? And

757
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know the stuff that I dealt with

758
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: after the game, him ripping the microphone out of my

759
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: hand and declaring Matt Lioner at the starting quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah,

760
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: that was six actually two years later. I mean, just

761
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: the stuff that went.

762
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Down, it was I wish I would have to do

763
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: some research and I probably won't writing a book over

764
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Denny Green's three years here would.

765
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Speaker 3: Be Okay, here's what we do know. By the way,

766
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: for everything that Jonathan Gannon hasn't told us, did he

767
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 3: tell us who the starting right tackle is? When asked

768
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: about Paris Johnson Junior after day one a mandatory mini camp,

769
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: and the media question revolved around is he going to

770
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: play guard or tackle? And Jonathan Gannon sort of demurred

771
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: and said, you know what, Yeah, he's played both. He

772
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: has experience of both. And then he paused and he

773
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: said that Paris Johnson Jr. Not only has experience of

774
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Speaker 3: both guard and tackle, but quote, he has what you're

775
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: looking for in his starting tackle. Next question, I mean,

776
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: from what.

777
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: We have seen so far, it's it's looking like tackle. Yes,

778
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: So I that's kind of where my mind is at

779
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: where we will probably expect to see him training camp

780
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 4: and likely during the season.

781
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: So here's my podcast question. Then if Jonathan enna says

782
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: and I quote, he has what you're looking for in

783
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 3: his starting tackle, end quote, is it Paris Johnson Junior's

784
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: job to lose going into cards camp?

785
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: I am gonna say yes, because if I thought anything

786
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: about this seat going into this season and going into

787
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: this offseason and going in with a new coach and

788
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: where this roster is, I thought, for sure, Okay, you're

789
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: going to be dropping some draft picks into the lineup.

790
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: That's what I think. And I think Paris Johnson Jr.

791
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: Six overall you're absolutely doing that.

792
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

793
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: I think the bigger question would be, again, this is

794
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: all just assuming with what we've talked about and seeing

795
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: and can report on, is who's gonna be your swing tackle?

796
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: And we were just talking about if you can possibly

797
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: get anything trade Josh Jones, and that to me would

798
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: make the most sense of still young enough where you

799
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: can get something for him, even if it's not a lot,

800
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: maybe you know, a late round draft pick where you

801
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: probably can't get much for Calvin Beacham from where he's

802
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: at in his career. However, the benefit of keeping Beacham

803
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 4: is he has extensive experience at both right and left tackle,

804
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 4: so not only injury. If something happens where Paris is

805
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: not able to keep up with the play in his

806
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: rookie year.

807
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: You can put Calvin Beachrim right in.

808
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: If something happens, you know, an injury, whatever, Calvin Beachum

809
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: can slide and that left tackle. That to me kind

810
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: of makes more sense. Not so much a question of

811
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: who are going to be your starting right tackles, That

812
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 4: to me feels pretty set.

813
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 5: The bigger question is who is going to.

814
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: Be your swing tackle, And to me, it would make

815
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: more sense to keep Calvin Beachum for depth and that

816
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 4: ability to play on both sides and try and get

817
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: something for Josh Jones.

818
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: I think that's that makes the most logical sense. I mean,

819
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to completely rule out if you have

820
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: four tackles and somebody would rather would rather take Beacham

821
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you know that that's still a possibility too.

822
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: I mean, and you keep Josh Jones is your third

823
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: tem call, I don't, I don't. I don't know how

824
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: that's gonna go. The other thing that we don't know

825
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: about all this is until trades are made, is everybody healthy.

826
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we keep talking about all you want to

827
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: get into camp and see what team, what other team

828
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: might need a tackle because you get hurt. What if

829
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: the Cardinals get hurt, so that can change some things.

830
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: Now, I thought you're gonna say, do you want to

831
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: see de Jumphreys in full pads? Back back injury for alignment?

832
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: That's fair too, ain't nothing as they say, right and

833
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: as someone who was this close to offseason surgery but

834
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: decided to re habit according to d J. Humphries and

835
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: the way he tells the story and has successfully rehabbed it.

836
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: But what's that going to mean after all the pounding

837
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: in camp? And I use that loosely based on the

838
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: state of training camp twenty twenty three, but still they

839
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: have to test out their franchise left tackle and make

840
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 3: sure he's gonna be able to sustain his typical level

841
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: of play all year long because back injuries have derailed

842
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: more than one linement over the years. So you know

843
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: that might be another reason you have four legit tackles

844
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: on this roster right now. Is to what degree is

845
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: d J. Humprey is still a question mark until you

846
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: get in pads. I'm just gonna say this. I think

847
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: turns of Paris Johnson Junior. And I've said this with

848
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: Craig Grew on Cover two for a couple of months

849
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: right now. I just think if the NFL is a

850
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: copycat league, and the Seahawks started two rookie tackles last year,

851
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: and to me, the cop really is the Giants and

852
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: Evan Neil, who they took in the twenty twenty two

853
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: drafts seventh overall and immediately plugged him at right tackle,

854
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: started his entire rookie year. Evan Neil just said, go

855
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: at it. They were a playoff team, the Giants, obviously.

856
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: I just Tristan Wurfs, who came out immediately started day

857
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: one to right tackle for Tampa. It just seems to

858
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: be a trend these days, and I could easily see

859
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: the Cardinals emulating that. For all the other reasons we've detailed.

860
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: Again, you're in a season where, let's let's not beat

861
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: around the bush. You're in a season where it makes

862
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: sense to start some rookies and get them, get them experience.

863
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: You have the wiggle room to write to to start

864
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: rookies and kind of wiggle room, right I mean, I

865
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: don't I think that's a good way to describe it.

866
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: I think we should use that as the slogan this

867
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: year Cardinals.

868
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: Wigom to start some rookies and fuel by fire? What

869
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: is it?

870
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Speaker 2: Trial by trial by fire?

871
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 4: There we go.

872
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: Well, okay, if you really, if you really want to

873
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: bottom line this, you also most likely won't have your

874
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback in the pocket either. If you're gonna have

875
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: a tackle learning on the job, why not do it

876
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: with backups? Right as that? I mean, if you want

877
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: to look at a worst case scenario quarterback spot and

878
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: the facto week one starter a competition at.

879
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: All, I think it's Colt McCoy's role to lose.

880
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: I agree.

881
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: I mean, is there any way I could legitimately feasibly

882
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: fan the flames of a quarterback competition to try and

883
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: generate some interest in the preseason?

884
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: I think the competition would be David Blau or Jeff

885
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: Driscoll at this point.

886
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I think you're it's it's out there

887
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: and fair for you to try and generate whatever you want.

888
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: World Well, I wouldn't do it around David blow and

889
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: Jeff Driscoll would be a Clayton tune. It'll be the rookie.

890
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: It'll be the kid who comes in with the Brock

891
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: party experience, right and the Bravado and he's got uh

892
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's got all the tools and he's able

893
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Speaker 3: to fit the ball into tight windows. According to Jonathan Gann, here's.

894
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to do.

895
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: I want when fearless, when we get.

896
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Speaker 2: To the preseason, I'm gonna I'm gonna. I don't want

897
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Speaker 2: Paul to know about this, Danny, so don't let him know.

898
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna get with Omo and we can put

899
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Speaker 2: together a montage of Paul singing Clayton Tune's praises on

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00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: the broadcast and we'll just play that as part of

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00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: our podcast.

902
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: That's cool, appreciate. Just start the montage with the quote

903
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: from Clayton Tune himself where he said, I'm the best

904
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: quarterback in this class.

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Speaker 2: Okay, when when I when I brought up to him

906
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Speaker 2: though that there are fans that want him to start,

907
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: he claimed he didn't hadn't heard any of that.

908
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: It's right, It's right, okay. Well, I mean, look, look,

909
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: if you want me to start, you know, you know,

910
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: just starting that fire right now. I mean just remember

911
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: that Pro Football Focus had him with the best passing

912
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: grade of any college football quarterback last year, and he

913
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: had the highest on target percentage in the quarterback class.

914
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: Just saying, just throwing that out there, see one.

915
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: Of your eighteen players to watch.

916
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: Stop it, stop it, stop it. I'm standing by him.

917
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: Are my Amri de Mercado at running back, third down back,

918
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: potential third down back? Making this roster?

919
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see I've.

920
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: Narrowed it down to that and and the cornerback, Quavian White.

921
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: Can you just give me one more? Give me one more.

922
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Quavian White, number thirty seven and

923
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: then thirty one.

924
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: Amar de Murca, my guy, Joe Horningford.

925
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Speaker 6: I think I just like saying the name Amari de Mercado, Danny,

926
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 6: who is your come on out, give us a sleeper,

927
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 6: give us someone on the far reaches this roster that

928
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 6: you think is gonna come in.

929
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 3: And after a week one of camp, we're going, oh, man,

930
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: look at that, Look at that by low so high?

931
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Speaker 3: Who's that player?

932
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be optimistic and hope it's maybe someone on

933
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: the defensive line, maybe Dante Stills, the rookie, Jacob Slade,

934
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Speaker 4: undrafted rookie.

935
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good call, you know the other thing,

936
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have so much time to talk about this.

937
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm actually saying this out loud. But

938
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Speaker 2: when we get to the end of the preseason and

939
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Speaker 2: this team has got the number three spot in the waiver.

940
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Speaker 3: Order, that's right.

941
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Speaker 2: I mean, you could see three, four, five guys that

942
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Speaker 2: we don't know anything about that they pick up a.

943
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Speaker 4: T It's through the first four weeks of the regular

944
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Speaker 4: season before it shifts to the rankings.

945
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Speaker 2: So this, I would dare say that this team is

946
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: going to end up picking up a couple of guys.

947
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Speaker 3: Shout out to the last five guys on the final

948
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Speaker 3: fifty three. Don't go by a car. As soon as

949
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: you get the news you're on the team.

950
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Speaker 2: Don't go by breakfast.

951
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: Greg Dorch told that story on a recent edition of

952
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: The Big Red Rage. His first year in the league,

953
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: he's with the Giants, I think, and he made the

954
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: team and the very next day he got a call,

955
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Speaker 3: you're no longer on the team because they had claimed

956
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: someone off waivers. And that started his odyssey of five

957
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: teams in two years. And so that's all.

958
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: Part of the nomadic existence. Paul.

959
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: Look, I will say this, there's no lack of guys

960
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: on this team who aren't ultra confident whether it's a

961
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: Clayton tune, whether it's a Greg Dorch, whether it's an

962
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: Antonio Hamilton, I mean ham at the Well press conference

963
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: talking to the media, he certainly didn't short himself on

964
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Speaker 3: the confidence he has to be a starter.

965
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: Right, Let's face a, Paul. The bottom line is when

966
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: you have a roster like this, there's not a whole

967
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: lot of it's not real top heavy, so there's not

968
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that guys underneath are looking up

969
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: at and saying, Wow, that guy's really good. I can't

970
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: beat him out.

971
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. So all right, what else

972
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 3: in terms of what we need to know between now

973
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: and camp? Anything else? And he is there any other

974
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: pressing issue that are you gonna miss us?

975
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: Paul?

976
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: If you're John let me ask you this. He's my

977
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: final football question.

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00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: Oh sorry.

979
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: If you're Jonathan Gannon early in camp, what pressing question

980
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: would you love to get an answer to? He's not

981
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: gonna share it with the media. I almost asked it

982
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: in the pres cons like Calvic, You're not gonna get

983
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: an answer on that. What I wanted to ask him

984
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: was when camp starts, what do you want to get

985
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: an answer to? What one or two.

986
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: When it's issues like what do you want to figure

987
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: out in camp?

988
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: Yes, right away? What do you want to figure out

989
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: as soon as you get pads on? What do you

990
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: want to see? What might be keeping you up at night?

991
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Like you need to see in person and need you

992
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: know what would you what would you like to see?

993
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: I know it's low hanging fruit, but if I'm Jonathan

994
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: Gannon and I get to training camp and again not

995
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: going to share it to it with anybody, I want

996
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: to have a good idea of where I'm looking, where

997
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: my quarterback's going to be back, like I'd like to know, like, Okay,

998
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: he's he's trending for week six, he's turning for week eight,

999
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: whatever it would be, so I have a way to

1000
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: kind of wrap my head around how to proceed at

1001
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: that point. That's that would be. I don't know if

1002
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: that's fair and or exactly what you were aiming for

1003
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: at this point, but that that's that's what I would

1004
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: be thinking. We've gotten a lot of well, we got

1005
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: a long time before camp, we got a long time

1006
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: before the season. Okay, but by that time there won't

1007
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: be a long time anymore. And then all of a sudden.

1008
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: The timeline does make a big difference.

1009
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: Danny, What do you think.

1010
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: I think I would if you're not going to look

1011
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: at the quarterback's health somewhere in the trenches of what

1012
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: are your strengths on the defensive line in your base?

1013
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 4: Are you going to be having two defensive linemen, are

1014
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: you going to be able to have three that you

1015
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 4: trust out there? And kind of what do you have

1016
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: at that position? I think the offensive line is well,

1017
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: you're looking for a starting combination. You have a pretty

1018
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: good idea for the most part, at least the players

1019
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: on this roster at this moment right maybe one or

1020
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: two positions that could kind of flex or unless you

1021
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: know a player that's currently in a depth role really

1022
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 4: starts to shine. So to me, I'd probably look at

1023
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: your defensive line and what you're going to be able

1024
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 4: to work around with that.

1025
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: I just wanted one other thing. If you're talking about

1026
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: right at the outset of camp Yep, I want to

1027
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: have an answer of what exactly I'm getting out of

1028
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Budda Baker is Is Buddha going to be practicing every day?

1029
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: Could this be a continual hiccup If you're talking about

1030
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: something that I want to answer for right when it starts,

1031
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: that would be that a good one.

1032
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: We're close, same position, Isaiah Simmons, That's that's bomb. Jonathan Gannon.

1033
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: I want to see Isaiah Simmons in my scheme. I

1034
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: want to see him full speed, full contact. What's he

1035
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: look like, what's he look like in coverage? What's he

1036
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: look like in run force? How versatile is he? How

1037
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: how much as he assimilated the playbook? You know it's

1038
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: so for all those reasons, I think you have to

1039
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: get an idea. Is is he really a playmaker slash

1040
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: game changer in this defense? Or is he just a guy?

1041
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: You know we started this offseason, I threw out there,

1042
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: half jokingly. He's like the NFL's version of an ink

1043
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: blot test. What do you see in Isaiah Simmons? You

1044
00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: see fantastic measurables. But do you see a player that

1045
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: is going to, you know, be a playmaker for you?

1046
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: Because in year four, guess what potential is just going

1047
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: to get you another team by the end of the season.

1048
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see. I only wish Justin Jones

1049
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: or the Bears. The defensive tackle was playing for the

1050
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 3: Cardinals in terms of good copy, because I wish he'd eat,

1051
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: step up and take a swing at like the twelves

1052
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: and the Seahawks fans the way he did about Packer fans.

1053
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: Did you see how he.

1054
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, well let's see here he said. The Packers fans,

1055
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: he said, yeah, you know, their fans are really bleepy.

1056
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I want to go back out there.

1057
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: Does not feel the same when you say bleepy.

1058
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 3: And I want to play them. I want to beat

1059
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: them up. And so anyway, he went on to say,

1060
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: half of them don't even know football. I want to

1061
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: go out there. I want to beat the heck out

1062
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 3: of them on their own field. So props to Justin Jones,

1063
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: the Bears defensive tackle, who wants all that smoke from

1064
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: Packer fans.

1065
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: And if you're that Aaron Rodgers is going.

1066
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: If you're one of his teammates, don't stand next to

1067
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: him on the sidelines at Lambeau. That would be my

1068
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: only keep your helmet on if you are standing next

1069
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: to him. Put it that way, all right. That'll do

1070
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: it for this edition of Cardinals.

1071
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: This is our last one for a while until right

1072
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: around training camp. So safe travels, everyone, enjoy your vacations

1073
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: because the two of you and Craig Griler are taking

1074
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 4: vacation at the same time and apparently didn't include me.

1075
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: So I hope the three of you enjoy your vacations

1076
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 4: and Happy Early Father's Day, mostly to my dad.

1077
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 5: But also to you guys and elms as well.

1078
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: Happy right to buy him a present.

1079
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 5: I don't know, Darren.

1080
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: That's all right, Danny. We're all living vicariously through your vacation.

1081
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, she's got.

1082
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 4: We're not name dropping if we're not airline dropping. As

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Speaker 4: as j G said, I'm going overseas, across the palm

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Speaker 4: whatever he said across the parm.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, there you Gotimes the vacationist, Danny Surrek.

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Speaker 3: That'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought

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