WEBVTT - #184 20 Years of Abusive Marriage

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<v Speaker 1>Just one of these examples of just a tough situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so sorry that you're in it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, everybody? Welcome to the podcast, Episode one eight four.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being here. It's been a crazy week for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have announced to the world something that I've known

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<v Speaker 1>for a while now, that I am leaving touring country music,

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<v Speaker 1>getting out of touring completely and focusing on ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean for me exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that doesn't mean that I'm starting a church tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm starting a revival on What it does mean

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<v Speaker 1>is that I'm going to serve my local church lower case,

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<v Speaker 1>with my family and sit under the teaching of my pastors,

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<v Speaker 1>have them disciple me and pour into me. I'm currently

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<v Speaker 1>attending seminary and so as I continue to learn and

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<v Speaker 1>grow in knowledge, then then that the pastors around me

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<v Speaker 1>at our local church, which is a pretty small church,

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<v Speaker 1>they can then affirm for me around me the next

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<v Speaker 1>steps in glorifying God best from my platform that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason I say it that way is so

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<v Speaker 1>important to articulate it that way so that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>being self deceived, right, so that so that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just not just announcing my calling from God that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm going to the ministry now, and and so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go and start the yeee church or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Come come one and come all, yeee church is now open.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not it's not what I'm to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That to me, that's equivalent to a young freshman football

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<v Speaker 1>player on a college team declaring for the draft, the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL draft, and everyone thinks, no, don't, you're don't go

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<v Speaker 1>into the draft. You're not ready yet. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>learn under this the current quarterback or the current coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to learn how to how to be

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<v Speaker 1>under leadership, how to serve. And that's similar to what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening here. So that that might take ten years

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<v Speaker 1>of me just serving the local church or more. That

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<v Speaker 1>time is not up to me. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>God provides us with local churches with pastors and elders

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<v Speaker 1>so that he could equip the believers for ministry through that,

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<v Speaker 1>so that he's not writing messages on a cloud or

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<v Speaker 1>shooting lightning down and writing in the sand saying you

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<v Speaker 1>are called no offense to Moses here, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the burning bush doesn't happen anymore. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all that being said, this is the most elaborate intro

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever done for the podcast, but I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I need to say it because a lot's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on this week, and this is the first podcast I've

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<v Speaker 1>done since that announcement. Here's something interesting though, Now that

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<v Speaker 1>music touring will.

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<v Speaker 2>Go away, this will be the last tour.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll fulfill the rest of the dates and play the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the tour dates out and then when they

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<v Speaker 1>finish up around Labor Day, I have a book coming

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<v Speaker 1>out called Like a River, comes out August first, so

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<v Speaker 1>then so then my focus will be on that and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have all that time freed up from music touring.

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<v Speaker 1>What if during that time we do some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>minimal city podcast tour, get out to your town, do

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<v Speaker 1>a live podcast, you know, to a live audience, and

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<v Speaker 1>you ask questions from the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that'd be pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>The format of this podcast, by the way, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>new to it, is I answer your questions, you email

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<v Speaker 1>me Grangersmith podcast at gmail dot com, and I walk

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<v Speaker 1>through without notes without reading your email beforehand, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, would That's why it would be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>have a live one where you just stand up, we

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<v Speaker 1>hand you the microphone and you tell me your story,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I could ask another question, because like one

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<v Speaker 1>of my problems here with reading your emails is I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to ask the follow up question like how

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<v Speaker 1>old are you? A lot depends on how old you are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something like that. Enough of this intro, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to the meat of this podcast, what you came for,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is answering your questions. Let me get to

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<v Speaker 1>the first one, the subject line, which I have not

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<v Speaker 1>read any of these yet. The subject line on this

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<v Speaker 1>first one says I need some advice, says Granger. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been married for twenty years. I've given everything i've got

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<v Speaker 1>to try and make this marriage work, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it anymore. Since the first few months of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband has been abusive physically and verbally. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>read that again. Since the first few months of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband has been abusive both physically and verbally. The

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<v Speaker 1>physical abuses have only happened a handful of times, but

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<v Speaker 1>the verbal abuse has gotten worse and worse over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, he would apologize and vow to change. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't even bother to do that. On a good day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ignored and it's like I don't even exist. But

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<v Speaker 1>on a bad day, the verbal assaults, the put downs,

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<v Speaker 1>hateful talk is almost unbearable. For years, I have stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in this marriage because God hates divorce. I also got

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<v Speaker 1>married when I was eighteen, so I have never been

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<v Speaker 1>out on my own. I finally got to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that even if I have to get out because this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't sustainable, I feel like I am trapped.

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<v Speaker 2>He controls all the money and I can't even afford

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>The abuses left me with diagnosed PTSD depression and anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>and a myriad of others their health issues which have

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<v Speaker 1>left me unable to work outside of the home for years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to push past my anxiety and get out

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<v Speaker 1>in public more and more, doing some instacart orders, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not even making a dent in the cost

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<v Speaker 1>to retain a lawyer. Part of me just wants to

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<v Speaker 1>leave and figure it out later, but I have kids

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to make a quick decision that

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<v Speaker 1>will leave us in a worse scenario, So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until I can save up for a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know how much longer I could do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Any advice message comes from anonymous, and so I will

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<v Speaker 1>keep it anonymous. And and all of us listening right now,

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<v Speaker 1>me and then everyone listening to this podcast are just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of giving that resounding sigh for you, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is just one of these examples of just a tough situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so sorry that you're in it, and and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you emailed. I'm glad that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you could have this podcast to grab an email.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe you're desperate, maybe you've emailed a bunch of people,

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<v Speaker 1>But I am honored in a way that you have

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<v Speaker 1>shared and been so vulnerable. And I want to back

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<v Speaker 1>you up on your thoughts here. I mean, you're not crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>The thoughts you're having about this are normal. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's an appropriate reaction in every way to everything you're

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<v Speaker 1>going through. I think you're kind of processing this and

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying I was young when I got married. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been married now for twenty years. I've never been on

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<v Speaker 1>my own. He abuses me physically a handful of times,

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<v Speaker 1>verbally all the time. But I've got a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>think through. I don't have much money. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any skills to have a job. I can't afford a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got kids. You're thinking through all this, and that's good,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's good. As you know, there's not a quick

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<v Speaker 1>answer to this, so me just telling you that I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with everything you've said is a good starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ironic that I started this podcast by talking about

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<v Speaker 1>my plans to go into ministry. And it's important that

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<v Speaker 1>we could relate my story to your story.

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<v Speaker 2>In one way. We need community, we need wise counsel

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<v Speaker 2>around us.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard a very interesting thing. I was visiting my

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<v Speaker 1>younger brother, Parker, who is an intern at HBC in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. That's Capitol Hill Baptist Church, and he's working

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<v Speaker 1>as an intern under Pastor Mark Dever, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in for the week with them, and I sat

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<v Speaker 1>in on an elders meeting. And in this elders meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a church body where membership is looked after,

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<v Speaker 1>intended like a flock of sheep, and they guard the

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<v Speaker 1>defenses of their sheep, of their flock, and the elders

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<v Speaker 1>sit like under shepherds and watch the flock and help

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<v Speaker 1>the flock, and encourage the flock, and protect the flock,

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<v Speaker 1>and rebuke the flock when necessary. But it is a family.

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<v Speaker 1>And I heard a conversation in the elders meeting as

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<v Speaker 1>they're going through conversations about people struggling in marriage, and

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<v Speaker 1>I heard something said that I thought was so profound.

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<v Speaker 1>But I heard them say. One of the elders said,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a Christian, divorce is not.

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<v Speaker 2>A private matter. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so profound and so provocative, and in some circles

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing and intrusive, and in other circles it's so comforting

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<v Speaker 1>and so fulfilling knowing that we don't have to walk

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<v Speaker 1>through this kind of stuff alone. All that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>through right now is indications that you are alone, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're needing to make decisions alone. And I'm here to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you I don't think you could do it. Sure

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<v Speaker 1>I could. I can encourage you to be strong and

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<v Speaker 1>and and stand boldly against your husband and find a

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<v Speaker 1>way out, or you stop this abuse and find an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>I could say all that, it's just meaningless if I

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<v Speaker 1>say it, First of all, it's not true. And second

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<v Speaker 1>of all, it's just not It's not possible without me

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<v Speaker 1>knowing you and hearing your story and walking through this

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<v Speaker 1>with you, side by side with you like an elder

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<v Speaker 1>would or a pastor. I can't speak into it, but

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<v Speaker 1>what I can say is that wherever you are doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>say there's a local church. And this is when it

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<v Speaker 1>gets This is the most difficult part of the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>right here.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs to be a faithful church.

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<v Speaker 1>Faithful in the sense of what they teach, how they

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<v Speaker 1>teach it, and how they shepherd their flock, Like is

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<v Speaker 1>the flock too big for anybody to shepherd it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they guard the fences?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Just thinking metaphorically on this, do they guard the fences

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<v Speaker 1>of their flock at your church? Or do cheap just

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<v Speaker 1>roam to and fro however they want? Can they come

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<v Speaker 1>and go? Can they disappear? Can they do good things

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<v Speaker 1>and never be rewarded? Can they do bad things and

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<v Speaker 1>never be rebuked? Is that just how it works? Or

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<v Speaker 1>are they closely guarded? Which one do you think is biblical?

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<v Speaker 1>Out of those two scenarios, one of those churches, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a church like this with a tightly guarded fence,

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<v Speaker 1>And that does not mean that they don't accept people

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<v Speaker 1>to come in the door. That is not what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. We were talking about the members that are

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<v Speaker 1>that are the good standing members that have that have

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<v Speaker 1>invested in the church and gone through membership with the

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<v Speaker 1>church that are then could be protected by the church

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<v Speaker 1>body itself. I'm not talking about people walking in on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday morning and they're not allowed in there. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we're saying. Okay, So there is a church like

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<v Speaker 1>this in your town. Maybe you go there, But if you,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you do, because I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>would have said this in your email. You would have

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<v Speaker 1>acted so alone. But there is a church that I

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<v Speaker 1>would encourage you to go to and lean into and

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<v Speaker 1>tell them this and walk through this with them. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>walk through this alone. Don't walk through this. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>find a lawyer's thing. I gotta figure out what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do with the kids. Maybe I was too young.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this abuse verbally or is it not. Don't walk

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<v Speaker 2>through that stuff alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Walk through it with with your elders, walk through it

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<v Speaker 1>with your your church congregation, with the members around you.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only reason I'm saying all this is because

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<v Speaker 1>you said one little sentence and it mentioned God. It

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<v Speaker 1>said for years I stayed because God. You put quotes

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<v Speaker 1>around this, God hates divorce. You mentioned that God is

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<v Speaker 1>involved somewhere. That's all I'm saying about it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm not gonna comment on whether or not God

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<v Speaker 1>hates divorce, but I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you believe he's involved. You believe he has

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<v Speaker 1>a say in this, and I believe you're right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would lean in through the body that He has

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<v Speaker 1>ordained that He has given us the lower case. See

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<v Speaker 1>church in your town. Lean into that walk with them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know him yet, if you haven't met

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<v Speaker 1>him yet, now's a good time. It wouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing to just meet him and then go right

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<v Speaker 1>into your problems.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they exist to walk through brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>walk through life with them together, finding out finding out

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<v Speaker 1>how you can best glorify God from your position in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your life life.

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<v Speaker 1>Do the good and the bad. That's what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>recommend here. Let's go to another another email. Subdecline on this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting. Subdecline says allergies. Hello Granger, Please keep

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<v Speaker 1>me anonymous. For all of my life, allergies have been

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<v Speaker 1>a part of me. I always have egzema, hives, stomach aches,

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<v Speaker 1>and reaction to gluten and dairy. I'm fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother has had the same allergies as me, and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom is even more sensitive than both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Last August, someone from my church told me that when

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<v Speaker 1>he was a kid, he had the same problem, but

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<v Speaker 1>he prayed to God to take it away and it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that if.

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<v Speaker 1>I truly believed that God could take away my allergies,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I truly wanted them gone, I could ask

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<v Speaker 1>God and if it was in his plan, he would

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<v Speaker 1>take them away. In the end, I was completely healed

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<v Speaker 1>of my allergies, Thank the Lord. Now I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>I should tell my mom, whose reaction to gluten are

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<v Speaker 1>much worse than mine, or should I just not tell

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<v Speaker 1>her as she thinks that I have grown out of

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<v Speaker 1>them me personally, would I be hating her not to

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<v Speaker 1>tell her about what truly took.

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<v Speaker 2>My allergies away?

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<v Speaker 1>I love my mom so much and I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to see her react to gluten and be and it

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<v Speaker 1>be my fault.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I might have read that last part wrong, but it

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<v Speaker 1>says sorry for the long email, love your podcast, love

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<v Speaker 1>your music. Okay, Anonymous, fifteen years old. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go into extreme detail here, but it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're you got this information from a maybe Pentecostal

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<v Speaker 1>church something like that, some kind of charismatic healing church

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<v Speaker 1>where they like fall in the carpet and get picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>You're fifteen, and so that's gonna be part of my

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<v Speaker 1>answer is based on you're fifteen and not thirty. But listen,

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<v Speaker 1>God is gonna heal when God's gonna heal, and we

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<v Speaker 1>should always ask, We should always pray, we should always

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<v Speaker 1>pour out our heart to God.

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<v Speaker 2>We should always.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask him for our request. But we don't expect healing

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<v Speaker 1>in this kind of charismatic way, as if it's some

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<v Speaker 1>genie in a bottle. And that's a little bit what

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<v Speaker 1>this email feels like, like, Hey, I know a secret.

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<v Speaker 2>I prayed a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Prayer about my allergies, and God healed. He didn't heal

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<v Speaker 1>because he wanted to. He healed because it was a

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<v Speaker 1>secret prayer that I truly believed that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted gone or you know something. However you worded that.

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<v Speaker 1>We need we need to be very careful with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, because it starts to get weird. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>to get a little weird, you know, it starts to

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<v Speaker 1>get like TV evangelist type stuff when we start saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>God gave me. God healed my allergies because I was

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<v Speaker 2>sincere in my prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you do this, if you say this magic

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<v Speaker 1>prayer and you're sincere about it, he will heal you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>It's starting to sound a little weird, and we need

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<v Speaker 1>we need to go to the Bible. And reason I say,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fifteen, it's this gets a little gets a little deep.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can be reading your Bible and we could

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<v Speaker 1>start to get an idea of who God is. You

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<v Speaker 1>said one little thing in here that I loved. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>He told me that if I truly believe that God

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<v Speaker 1>could take away my allergies, and if I truly wanted

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<v Speaker 1>them gone, I could ask God and then this one

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<v Speaker 1>little part right here, and if it was in his plan,

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<v Speaker 1>lean on that, lean on that effect, make the prayer

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<v Speaker 1>about that, Stop making the prayer about what I need

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<v Speaker 1>to make me breathe better. It's okay, but don't make

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<v Speaker 1>that what it's about. Instead, make it about what's in

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<v Speaker 1>his plan. God, I want to I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>live in your plan.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate these allergies. These allergies bother me. But maybe

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<v Speaker 2>these allergies are in your plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what, why, or what, but maybe God,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you need me to have allergies right now. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever thought about that, like, maybe I need to

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<v Speaker 1>have allergies for some reason. But God, let that be

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<v Speaker 1>your plan and not mine. If you could take them away,

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<v Speaker 1>do it. If you could take moms away, do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's annoying and I hate it, but let me live

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Let me live for your purpose and your plan,

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<v Speaker 1>not mine. You know, Paul had the thorn in his side,

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<v Speaker 1>and he prayed and prayed and prayed for God to

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<v Speaker 1>take away the thorn, but he didn't. He says, is

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient for you. My power is made perfect in weakness,

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<v Speaker 1>So through your weakness, his power is perfected. Remember that

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<v Speaker 1>when you're praying for healing, then don't expect it. Expect

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<v Speaker 1>his plan to happen, but not for your allergies to

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<v Speaker 1>go away. You could still ask, but remember his plan

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<v Speaker 1>is the purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>want you to listen. Let's get to the first question here.

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<v Speaker 1>Subject line says should I date him? Hey, Granger have

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<v Speaker 1>been going to try. I'm going to try and keep

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<v Speaker 1>this simple. I've been talking to this guy for five

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<v Speaker 1>months now, and I really like him. We both mutually

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<v Speaker 1>like each other, but his parents won't let us hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>We've tried countless times, and his parents always say no.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I could be in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with someone that I can't see them. And on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, let me say that again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I could be in a relationship with someone if

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see them. And on top of that, he's

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<v Speaker 1>had his phone taken away for like three weeks now,

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<v Speaker 1>little to no contact, and I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Any advice, Yeah, this comes from Millie and Millie.

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<v Speaker 2>This is super easy, super simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Super super This would be the easiest answer I've ever given.

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<v Speaker 1>If he is over the age of eighteen, then you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a serious conversation about this with him.

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<v Speaker 1>If he is younger than the age of eighteen, a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to honor his parents, and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>honor that he's honoring his parents. Next question, subject line

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<v Speaker 1>says eighteen and confused with religion.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that word religion. Hey Grande, I'm eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been raised in a very.

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic household my whole life. I choose not to get

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<v Speaker 1>I chose not to get confirmed this year after finishing

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<v Speaker 1>my religious education classes because I felt like it, because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I would be going through the motions

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<v Speaker 1>and not actually committing myself to the faith. My mother

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<v Speaker 1>is very upset about my decision, and I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>about making her so sad. I believe in the Christian faith.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I should attend services with other

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<v Speaker 1>denominations before committing to one. The difference in the faith

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<v Speaker 1>has caused problems between my mother and I for years already,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, and I don't want to ruin

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship. I also feel it would be wrong to

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<v Speaker 1>keep practicing the Catholic faith just to make her happy

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<v Speaker 1>and to continue a family tradition. Any advice on navigating

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, thanks all right. Question comes from Jenny. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for the email. Jenny, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>going to I think it's probably best if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like get into Catholicism versus Protestantism and all that. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we should do that, and I've done

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<v Speaker 1>that before on this podcast. I don't think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this is about. So I'm gonna try to stick with

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<v Speaker 1>what you're asking.

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<v Speaker 2>First. I want to say your intuition about all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to affirm your intuition. I think that you're

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<v Speaker 1>approaching it from a very very shallow sense, which is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. I think if you want to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the deep water, you gotta start shallow. Right we're walking

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<v Speaker 1>out into the lake. It starts very shallow, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where you are. You're standing in toe deep water because

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<v Speaker 1>it gets very deep after this, Jenny, And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was eighteen, I wasn't asking deep questions. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I want, what I want to dig into here

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<v Speaker 1>is your I want to affirm your feelings on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of sentences. I feel it would be wrong to

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<v Speaker 1>keep practicing the Catholic faith just to make her happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good call, continuing a family tradition, that's a good call.

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<v Speaker 2>What else did you say?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in the Christian faith. I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I should attend other services before committing to one. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of affirm that too. And what else here? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I chose not to get confirmed this year after finishing

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<v Speaker 1>my religious education classes because I felt I would be

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<v Speaker 1>going through the motions and not actually committing myself to

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<v Speaker 1>the faith. Yes, I confirm all those things. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're you're you're thinking great, you're in toe

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<v Speaker 1>deep water, which is totally fine. You're way ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the game of where I was probably at eighteen. And

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<v Speaker 1>now let's dig a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so many times when I get emails like this

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about religion and faith, those two words

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<v Speaker 1>come up a lot, and they're usually tied together, religion

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<v Speaker 1>and faith. It sounds like and it feels like we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a good vibe lifestyle. It sounds like we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a club or a like a fraternity or sorority,

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<v Speaker 1>or like a like a master's class or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been really thinking about, like what if we looked

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<v Speaker 1>at it as a master's class that you bought online.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about committing to this master's class because my

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<v Speaker 1>mom did it and she thinks it's great, and I

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<v Speaker 1>see that there's great benefits from the master's class and

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty cool, and in fact, I want to raise

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<v Speaker 1>my kids with the idea of going to this master's

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<v Speaker 1>class because it's going to make us smarter, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just make us a little more peaceful and a

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<v Speaker 1>little more relaxed or whatever. Like put any definitions or

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>any adjectives in there. That's that's kind of what this

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<v Speaker 1>email feels like. And I don't blame you for it.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what a lot of people look

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<v Speaker 1>at when they think about those two words, religion or faith.

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>You choose yours, whatever floats your boat, whatever makes you happy,

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>whatever's a good vibe for you, whatever gives you tranquility,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever gives you peace, whatever, whatever gives you, whatever equips

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<v Speaker 1>you to be able to kind of navigate life with

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<v Speaker 1>less anxiety or something. Did you know that that's just

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<v Speaker 1>that has nothing to do with any of that. Did

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you know that that's just not the definition for any

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. But that's kind of what we've gotten

0:27:55.280 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>into now in the modern age. We think that the

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Christian faith is a good vibe. It's like a master's class.

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like something you do because it's a family tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>So just kind of follow it.

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And just like repeat these words and drink this cup

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<v Speaker 1>and say these things and kneel here and then go

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 1>back into the world and like touch your chest a

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<v Speaker 1>couple times and wear this and say that, and in

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>return you just kind of you're just kind of living

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<v Speaker 1>out fulfilling a family tradition and making mom happy and

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it feels nice. That just has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian faith. The Christian faith is a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We're saved by faith, right, So if you're gonna mean saved,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're being saved from.

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<v Speaker 2>Something, what's the alternative death?

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<v Speaker 1>So you're being saved by grace by the way, you're

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>being saved by grace through faith. That faith is the

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism that God's grace uses to save you belief, repentance,

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and belief. So if you're being saved through faith by grace,

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<v Speaker 1>then that means the alternative is if you're not if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have faith, if you're not believing, which is

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>similar to saying faith is saying believing. If you're not believing,

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>then you're dying. Not like bad vibes, not like I'm

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm losing a groove, I'm a little anxious, not

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like I'm out of the family tradition. I'm talking about

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you're dying like eternal death versus eternal life.

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, that's what it means. This is not me. I'm

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>just the mess here. I'm not making this up. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not an interpretation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like a translation error or it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>something I'm just picking up. This is what the Bible says,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what has been taught for two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years in the faith.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go back.

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>We could read writings that go back thousands of years

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>in this faith. That is what they're talking about. Is

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<v Speaker 1>not a good vibe. It is not a tradition. It

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<v Speaker 1>is not something that we continue to make our kids

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<v Speaker 1>happy and raise them up in it so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can have a nice, happy life.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not this. But somehow that's where we have gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>I am no, I'm simpile to get my mouth gets

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of my brain. I am not blaming you for

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this, because I understand what it's called is cultural

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Christianity in your case, cultural Catholicism. And I'm not blaming you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a trap. And what I feel like, Jenny,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like you might be elect and I

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like you might. You might feel the draw right now.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Jesus is drawing you. I could be wrong,

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like Jesus is drawing you, and he's

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>opening your eyes slowly, It's okay, He's opening your eyes

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to some stuff here, like, hey, mom, this sounds great

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and I've studied these classes.

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>But I kind of feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this isn't the right way to do it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's more to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to another church or to or read an article

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<v Speaker 1>or book or two, or talk to a couple other

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>people that might give me a different perspective. I feel

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>like I need to go out because why, because I

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Because something inside me is kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of stern a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I would call that a draw.

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I would say that your Savior is drawing you.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, I could be wrong, because I'm not you,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to I don't want to falsely

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>affirm you in anything because I don't know you and

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the rest of your story. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to point out that this sounds interesting that

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you're now. You're kind of the blinder is kind of

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>coming off around you, and you're going hm. Bible says this,

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>we practice this. I don't think these two things add up.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's more to the story you email me. I

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>tell you this, do with this information what you will.

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But I would say, lean in to the draw, go

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>find out.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll still let's hit another one here, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a lot of these questions are about religion, So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, y'all. Maybe I shouldn't apologize, but that's just

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of where this podcast has gone lately. Next question

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>says subject line Heaven. It says, Hey g, when you

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 1>close your eyes and think of heaven in your own mind,

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<v Speaker 1>what does it look like? Please describe? It comes from Lori,

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>who's a longtime fan of mine in the music from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Lourie,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up? Thank you for the question, and let's oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this question. M We can kind of connect

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<v Speaker 1>it to the last question as well, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make that connection, but let me repeat it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's super short.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey gee, when you close.

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<v Speaker 1>Your eyes and think of heaven in your mind, what

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>does it look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Please describe?

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<v Speaker 1>And instantly we think of like country music songs and

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>we think about I hope heaven has a bass fish

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<v Speaker 1>and pond and a creek that's just bubbling with fish

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and deer in the meadows, and I hope that all

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 1>my loved ones are there and we're playing you know, football,

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's Thanksgiving afternoon and the weather is beautiful and

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I could fly and and I really hope that they

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.919
<v Speaker 1>have you know, this and this and this and this

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>this and then we give here. You know, countless country

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>music songs about this kind of thing, and people people

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>will describe it in ways that it's like, man, I

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>love mountains, as I just hope there's just incredible mountains there,

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I hope they're just snow capped mountains, and and

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>there's game in the woods and then and there's beautiful

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>villages with streets of gold and pearly gates and there's

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>no tears. You know, we just kind of we think

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of this and we kind of go down this this

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>long like dreamlike journey through our minds thinking about heaven.

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's a bad thing, but I think

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it's an immature Christian thought. And Laureate, this is this

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>is not on you, Okay, this is this is not

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>this is not a knock on you. This is not

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>a knock on anyone that has imagined that Heaven hopefully

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>has bass fishing. This is not I just I want

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to say that I think that's an immature Christian thought.

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Here's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's why, because when you hear the Apostles talk about heaven,

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about one thing, one thing being in the

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<v Speaker 1>presence of Christ, being in the presence of God himself

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>with unveiled faces. That means, right now, our faces are

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>veiled to Christ. They're veiled to God because.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't possibly see.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>We can't see something so bright, so beautiful, so perfect,

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>our eyes cannot comprehend it. We're going to be in

0:35:55.120 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>heaven with Him with unveiled faces. Can you imagine for

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a second everything that we've mentioned about heaven, everything that

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you've thought would be in heaven, because you've seen it

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>on earth and it's like the best version of what

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you've seen on earth. You've seen you can imagine that

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>being in heaven, right, So imagine everything you want to

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>see in heaven because it's perfect on earth. Imagine the

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>creator of all of that stuff. Imagine the creator of

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is there. And I fully believe that once

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>you're there you're not gonna want to see anything else,

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and not in a boring way and not in a methodical,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>weird way. But I think when you see the creator

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of everything, and you see the creator of that embodies

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>love and perfection and art and music and bass fishing

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and whatever else, all these streets of gold and green

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>grasses and fish in the waters and game in the forest,

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>when you see the creator, the visionary, the poet of

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>all of that, You're gonna want to be at his feet.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna want to be right there at his throne

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and and just soak that in and just say, guys,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to be here, and I just want to

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>worship you, and I want to gaze on you with

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>unveiled face and just stare at you and that this

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.959
<v Speaker 1>is not If you don't understand what I'm talking about,

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 1>then you might be an immature Christian.

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Then it's not a knock on you, because I've been

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 2>there before.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of my life, I had a veiled face and

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I had blinded eyes to this. But I think you

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>could look at it like the equivalent of going to

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>your favorite band, go to the concert of your favorite band.

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.959
<v Speaker 1>George straight for me right, So I'm sixteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>and in the height of my fandom for George Strait,

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and I go see him at the stadium, and I

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>have tickets for.

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>The front row center.

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Right hypothetical speaking, I go to the front row Center.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I got the tickets there, and I'm holding the tickets

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and on my way to the stadium.

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:02.479
<v Speaker 2>What am I talking about? Man? I wonder what's gonna

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 2>be in here. I hope there's popcorn. I hope they

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I hope they have Doctor Pepper.

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>On the fountain. I hope they have huge uh, Sonic ice.

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I love Sonic ice. Oh you know I love Sonic Yeah, yeah,

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Sonic ice and a big plastic cup and doctor Pepper.

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>And I hope they pop Oh maybe they're gonna have

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>hot dogs. I wonder what kind of merch they're gonna have?

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>T shirts, hats?

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know what else?

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>I think about the chairs. I bet those chairs are

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>so comfortable. I can't wait to see the chairs.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 2>What else? Oh? The lights.

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 1>The lighting is gonna be so cool. From up at

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the top, They're gonna have light. Seriously, No, that's not

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>what goes through the mind of a sixteen year old

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's walking in the stadium.

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 2>He's thinking, I.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to see George straight. I can't wait to

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>see him in all his glory, standing there holding his guitar,

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>singing to me. That's what I care about. Everything else.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be there, but it's secondary. I'm

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>not worried about it. I'm not thinking about it. I'm

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>not envisioning that. That's not my dream.

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about just him. And that's the way I.

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Think of heaven, Streets of gold, pearly gates, bass and

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the rivers, game in the fields, I've got, you know,

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>flying ability.

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about, standing in the presence of my Creator,

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>standing in all of his glory, hands raised, soaking him in.

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Forever. That's seven. Love you guys, See you next Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>If you have question for me that you would like me.

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<v Speaker 1>To answer, email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye