Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker.
Speaker 1: I want to start off today with talking about the
Speaker 1: two debates that were announced. So first off, I got
Speaker 1: to say that I will be surprised if these debates
Speaker 1: take place. The first one is supposed to happen, I
Speaker 1: believe in June, I want to say, And this second
Speaker 1: one is supposed to take place in September. And the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is calling for, you know, two debates instead
Speaker 1: of three, and putting them much earlier in the calendar year.
Speaker 1: And you have some folks that are having the most
Speaker 1: ridiculous takes on this change, right and talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: the Biden, particularly Nate Silver, who I don't understand at all,
Speaker 1: but who says that the Biden administration is supposed to
Speaker 1: be the organization is supposed to be the administration that
Speaker 1: upholds norms. First off, what the fuck norms do we
Speaker 1: have left in this country? And are we supposed to
Speaker 1: pretend that Donald Trump did not blow off debates, did
Speaker 1: not bring COVID to one of the debates that he
Speaker 1: attended as a way to I don't know, get Biden
Speaker 1: sick or everyone in the audience sick. Do we not
Speaker 1: recognize that we no longer live in an environment where
Speaker 1: political norms are upheld? And so this idea that one
Speaker 1: party is supposed to be the party that holds up
Speaker 1: political norms while the other one can be as badshit
Speaker 1: crazy as they'd like, doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: And so I think that it is incredibly important one that,
Speaker 1: of course there'll be some sense of normalcy, meaning that
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is going to move forward as they
Speaker 1: would normally do when seeking a second term, but they're
Speaker 1: going to do so on their terms of what makes
Speaker 1: sense for them. Because Donald Trump, like, why are we
Speaker 1: trying to negotiate in good faith with the domestic terrorists?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Also, I think that debates are stupid.
Speaker 1: No one is going to watch a debate for anything
Speaker 1: other than some type of entertainment value. People do not
Speaker 1: make decisions about which candidate they're going to vote for
Speaker 1: based on how someone performed with prescripted questions by a
Speaker 1: moderator that is not going to offer any type of
Speaker 1: hard questions, that is not going to do any type
Speaker 1: of follow up like this. Debates are essentially a game show, right,
Speaker 1: If you really want to hear from people, if you
Speaker 1: really want to understand the substance of whatever the campaign
Speaker 1: agendas are, then to me, town halls make more sense, right,
Speaker 1: actual town halls, and not with your super supporters, but
Speaker 1: with the mix of independence, Democrats and Republicans from all
Speaker 1: walks of life that actually reflect America and allow people
Speaker 1: to ask questions that like make sense to their day
Speaker 1: to day lives, and the candidates then respond to that.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I remember. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: too old to remember when MTV was doing you know,
Speaker 1: debates and Bill Clinton went on, right, and you're sitting
Speaker 1: with a group of like, you know, young people and
Speaker 1: getting to know what's on their mind, and like you,
Speaker 1: there's no way to really prep right, like you're you're
Speaker 1: listening and you're answering questions and you're trying to connect.
Speaker 1: I miss those days. I don't think that we'll ever
Speaker 1: return to them. But I think that it's important for
Speaker 1: us to understand that like, this is political theater. This
Speaker 1: is not some type of framework that is meant to
Speaker 1: give you any more or less information than you have
Speaker 1: right now. And the fact is is that most people
Speaker 1: only begin to tune in to the election, maybe about
Speaker 1: two months to a month beforehand. So even this first
Speaker 1: debate taking place on June twenty seventh, will most Americans
Speaker 1: be tuned in, probably but probably to see what kind
Speaker 1: of hot shit is going to come out of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's mouth, whether or not he's going to fall asleep
Speaker 1: or fart, and whether or not the moderator who, regardless
Speaker 1: of who they are, going to have the worst job
Speaker 1: on that day, because no one will think that they
Speaker 1: did well, and if they do do well, it'll be
Speaker 1: based on you know, which candidate ended up doing well.
Speaker 1: No one wins in this right, But I think that
Speaker 1: the takes that I'm seeing on social media around the
Speaker 1: scheduling and whether or not Donald Trump will actually show
Speaker 1: up and show up in a way like I don't
Speaker 1: really care. We already know who Donald Trump is, right,
Speaker 1: anybody with eyes and ears no know what Donald Trump is,
Speaker 1: what he is about, what he cares about, and what
Speaker 1: The plan that the Republican Party has for this country
Speaker 1: is Project twenty twenty five. It is about finishing the
Speaker 1: gut job on our democracy, taking over the agencies and
Speaker 1: rooting out who they deem as you know, politicized actors,
Speaker 1: which is exactly the opposite of who works in government, right,
Speaker 1: they are apolitical. But the fact is that you know,
Speaker 1: we know what the Republicans are going to do, whether
Speaker 1: it is voting against raising the age of children to
Speaker 1: be able to get married right until they are adults
Speaker 1: at like eighteen, whether it is reversing child labor laws,
Speaker 1: whether it is further marginalizing trans people and the LGBTQ community,
Speaker 1: whether it is trying to stamp out the advancements that
Speaker 1: black people have made since the Civil Rights movement, whether
Speaker 1: it is to criminals lies Latin X people, whether it
Speaker 1: is to criminalize migrants and immigrants that are trying to
Speaker 1: find work in this country because of the ways in
Speaker 1: which the United States has interfered in the political structure
Speaker 1: in their countries making it unsafe, which America has done
Speaker 1: for decades in Latin America. So I think that what
Speaker 1: we have to understand here is that debates, I think,
Speaker 1: in this day and age again are mostly of entertainment value,
Speaker 1: and the fact remains on whether or not Biden can
Speaker 1: really sell right what his vision is for America. In
Speaker 1: stark contrast to Donald Trump. Now, Biden has a lot
Speaker 1: of other issues that are in front of him, Gaza
Speaker 1: being the most glaring one, with net and Yahoo most
Speaker 1: recently saying that they're not a whatever it was, some
Speaker 1: colony or whatever it was of the United States. And
Speaker 1: you know, here's what I will say about net Yahoo
Speaker 1: who this is what he said, We are not a
Speaker 1: vassal of the United States. When it pertains to Biden
Speaker 1: saying that the RAFA invasion is the red line, you know,
Speaker 1: my whole thing is that Netanyahu has been playing chess,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the fuck game Biden has
Speaker 1: been playing in Gaza, but he is losing. He is
Speaker 1: losing public sympathy, he is losing public engagement, and the
Speaker 1: unrest around. Our tax dollars going to fund a genocide
Speaker 1: are getting bigger and bigger and bigger by the day.
Speaker 1: And so when this man Netnyaho decides to publicly embarrass
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and the United States, do you know what
Speaker 1: I do in response to that, I pull the fucking
Speaker 1: funds right and stop playing games and let Netanyah who
Speaker 1: know who exactly is in charge and he wants to
Speaker 1: go it alone to pursue his genocide, then let him
Speaker 1: fucking do that right, But Joe Biden is facing that
Speaker 1: in this election right where a war that is not
Speaker 1: happening on our shores are shaping public opinion, and not
Speaker 1: to mention the trials that are taking place right and
Speaker 1: people feeling like in some instances that these are politicized
Speaker 1: when in fact that they're not. Because had Merrick Garland
Speaker 1: done what the fuck he was supposed to do in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we wouldn't be here right now. So
Speaker 1: will Biden the Biden that we saw at the State
Speaker 1: of the Union show up at these debates? I think
Speaker 1: if that Joe Biden shows up and is very clear,
Speaker 1: is very assertive, is forceful and commanding, then I think
Speaker 1: that we have a shot. But right now we're at
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty toss up and that scares the
Speaker 1: shit out of me. Coming up next, my friends, our
Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor, doctor John Than Metsill,
Speaker 1: where we talk about Biden's latest poll numbers, whether or
Speaker 1: not they matter, what Democrats need to be doing in
Speaker 1: these critical days leading up to the twenty twenty four election. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. We are
Speaker 1: always thrilled it is you, and so this week we
Speaker 1: are going to discuss Joe Biden's latest poll numbers, which, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 1: not great. You know how I feel about polls this early,
Speaker 1: but we'll still dig into them because I think it's
Speaker 1: a good barometer for where things stand right now, as
Speaker 1: we can all see different headlines playing out. Jonathan, So
Speaker 1: you're saying, latest polls tell us Biden is down everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was a couple of days ago, and
Speaker 2: whys and other people have been tweeting about this A
Speaker 2: lot two things have a first, Biden's pretty much down
Speaker 2: at least five percent in most swing states according to
Speaker 2: some pretty convincing polls recently, and it's true across the board.
Speaker 2: And so that's point number one. And then point number
Speaker 2: two is he and his advisors at least are saying
Speaker 2: publicly in these interviews and stuff that they're not concerned
Speaker 2: about it. And so, you know, I guess the question is,
Speaker 2: did they share your disdain for polls. One of the
Speaker 2: things a lot of articles are pointing out right now
Speaker 2: is that Biden voters are much more invested in speaking
Speaker 2: to polsters, and so If anything, the fear is that
Speaker 2: it understates the number of people who are actually voting
Speaker 2: for Trump. So I guess the question is, you know,
Speaker 2: where are we now? Like may I think it is?
Speaker 2: What does this mean? Is there going to be some rallying?
Speaker 2: And usually there's a bump? I mean, think about Biden
Speaker 2: for example, everybody thought he was weekend at Bernie's and
Speaker 2: then he did that stadium with the Union dress, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everybody's like it totally stopped all
Speaker 2: that talk about you know, at least for now all
Speaker 2: that talk. So is there going to be like a
Speaker 2: bump moment, a turn moment? Do they have some secret
Speaker 2: strategy that civilians like you and I don't know about,
Speaker 2: like the old member like Obama, like they had this
Speaker 2: secret where like people didn't know about like digital marketing
Speaker 2: quite yet or something like that. And so is there
Speaker 2: some is there people smart people? Or is this oblivious?
Speaker 2: And I hope it's not the third one, but it
Speaker 2: just seems like the the I mean again, there's so
Speaker 2: many things that could happen. Trump could get convicted. I
Speaker 2: send you a great article about you did ye? Trump
Speaker 2: now being as smart as he thinks he is this.
Speaker 2: This trial shows it that his impulses are often wrong.
Speaker 2: So there's a million things he could do wrong. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, what do we do at this point?
Speaker 2: You know, for a while there was a oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're going to go to the convention and then we're
Speaker 2: going to nominate like Omegatron or I don't know, stay Puff,
Speaker 2: marshmallow Man or somebody else. But I don't know what's
Speaker 2: your sense of all this?
Speaker 1: So I will say this that everybody knows that, you know,
Speaker 1: polls are subjective, right, depending on the questions that are asked,
Speaker 1: who they're asked, and how they're sent and all of
Speaker 1: these things. I say that as a precursor. I think
Speaker 1: that largely when I talk to folks, the Biden administration
Speaker 1: has a lot of wins. And I'm just speaking domestically,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of wins. What they are terrible
Speaker 1: at as every single Democrat, it seems, is really talking
Speaker 1: about those wins. Where I think that there is a
Speaker 1: lot of issue right now is that one Biden is
Speaker 1: not I think that the people that are around him
Speaker 1: do not have the pulse, like their finger on the
Speaker 1: pulse of what's happening on the ground. I think that
Speaker 1: they believed that with Donald Trump dogged, with all of
Speaker 1: these different trials, with him saying these outlandish things and
Speaker 1: spiraling out of control, that that was going to be enough. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not because the only people that are paying attention
Speaker 1: to the Trump trials are people that watch CNN and MSNBC.
Speaker 1: It is not being played on Fox, it's not being
Speaker 1: played in the right wing. It's not being talked about
Speaker 1: at all. So even when reporters, when people go to
Speaker 1: Trump rallies and they're like, well, what do you think
Speaker 1: about what's happening in the electoral fraud trial the hush
Speaker 1: money case, they don't know what you're talking about. So
Speaker 1: two things can be true. I don't think that Biden
Speaker 1: is getting the right advice. That's one two. I also
Speaker 1: don't think that Trump is expanding his base at all.
Speaker 1: He is not going to be able to win without
Speaker 1: expanding his base. The only people that we talk to
Speaker 1: are the most fervent Trump supporters that don't care who
Speaker 1: he kills, what he does, any of that. But that
Speaker 1: is thirty percent of the population. You're not going to
Speaker 1: win with thirty percent.
Speaker 2: I mean. The red herring, of course, is the Helman
Speaker 2: and the brain campaign of RFK Junior, you know all
Speaker 2: these other things. I just texted you the polls, But
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Like again, I don't want
Speaker 2: to oversimplify them. Like there's a million times that I've thought,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you know, those people are idiots, and
Speaker 2: then it turns out they had some strategy I didn't
Speaker 2: know about, and that you know, they probably have access
Speaker 2: to a lot of data, a lot of methods. But
Speaker 2: I will say that, like I study guns, right, eighty
Speaker 2: five percent of people support background checks, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean anybody's going to win an election based on a
Speaker 2: background check, right. People don't vote based on gun issues.
Speaker 2: Liberals don't vote based on gun issues. So even though
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of people will tell you I support
Speaker 2: background checks, Democrats for so long have misinterpreted with that
Speaker 2: data means because popular support is not the same thing
Speaker 2: as winning an election. And so I don't know there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like we're like floating around
Speaker 2: in space right now. There are so many different medias
Speaker 2: that could hit us.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good, that's such a good enough.
Speaker 2: I mean, I went down the route all of watching
Speaker 2: the part of the speech of RFK Junior's vice presidential candidate,
Speaker 2: Like I do, it is time and and so you know,
Speaker 2: I just think there's so many things that could happen.
Speaker 2: But again that's where like having a really robust they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to mount some kind of really robust, vibrant campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are things that are happening, Like did
Speaker 2: you see that Biden now is raising all these tariffs
Speaker 2: on China in ways that people are actually going to feel,
Speaker 2: So you know, that's such a Trump move. He's kind
Speaker 2: of taking a page out of Trump's playbook. So I
Speaker 2: mean again, there if for some if some miracle, they
Speaker 2: get a a cease fire and some viable strategy forward.
Speaker 2: I mean, I actually think, in my opinion, Lincoln's making
Speaker 2: a ton of sense right now about the long term plan,
Speaker 2: and so if any of these things could kind of
Speaker 2: change course. And I don't know what's happening behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: but I will this is what let me say. This
Speaker 2: is my long way of sharing your nervousness but not
Speaker 2: wanting to articulate it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I will say this, Like to be honest,
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Biden needs to not run a
Speaker 1: campaign against Donald Trump. I think that he needs to
Speaker 1: run a campaign against the Republican Party. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that what we are missing right now, and I
Speaker 1: literally just talked about this on another show, is that
Speaker 1: the Republican Party take out Donald Trump and the circus
Speaker 1: of the trials, right, and now all of these Republicans
Speaker 1: going down to the courthouse where his family isn't even
Speaker 1: so that they can show their.
Speaker 2: Subject, well Johnson's corn trial.
Speaker 1: Right or auditioned for you know, Vice president, Like, this
Speaker 1: is what they're doing, right, to show their support. His
Speaker 1: own family's not showing up except for Eric and who
Speaker 1: cares about him. But in the meantime, what do we
Speaker 1: have going on in Missouri? Well, the Missouri Republicans have
Speaker 1: decided to block a measure to raise the age of
Speaker 1: marriage from sixteen to eighteen years old. Right in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: the age to marry in Missouri was fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, and they raised it from yeah. And
Speaker 1: so now two of there are Republicans that are blocking
Speaker 1: it with the audacity of saying that people need to
Speaker 1: stay out of other people's private lives, the audacity right,
Speaker 1: at the same time that they don't want to raise
Speaker 1: the age of child marriage. They're also rolling back child
Speaker 1: worker protection laws in Alabama, right, and in Florida. You
Speaker 1: are seeing this attack of this slow roll back of
Speaker 1: an industrialized modern country into like back to a developing age.
Speaker 1: And we're not paying attention to that because we want
Speaker 1: to know if Donald Trump is farting or is falling
Speaker 1: asleep in a courtroom. And I'm like, and meanwhile, you
Speaker 1: have Republicans that are literally we just Arizona people might
Speaker 1: not have had that eighteen sixty four piece of legislation
Speaker 1: stay on the books if not for it making the headline.
Speaker 1: So we're not talking about what this party as a
Speaker 1: whole is doing outside of what Donald Trump is doing.
Speaker 1: So if I'm the Biden campaign, I don't care about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I care about what Republicans are doing with
Speaker 1: or without him, right, and making the case that the
Speaker 1: American people need to see that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to give you three rebettal points.
Speaker 1: Viral means, can we.
Speaker 2: Get a screenshot of the do it? Okay? See here's
Speaker 2: the I'm from Missouri and I live in Tennessee, and
Speaker 2: Tennessee you can marry your cousin now it's legal.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't. That's not real life.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's not like that's any surprise,
Speaker 2: but this keeps happen. People don't lose elections in red
Speaker 2: states for this, and so the Republican Party is a
Speaker 2: known quantity and and and they still win. And it's
Speaker 2: not because they have public public support. It's because they
Speaker 2: have from the ground up rigged the system by jerremandering
Speaker 2: and so people are safe, like nobody's even after the
Speaker 2: Covenant School shooting, when all these Republican ams were demanded guniform,
Speaker 2: they didn't have. They didn't threaten these guys. And so
Speaker 2: in a way, part of the story is about the
Speaker 2: it's about the system. And that's why I was kind
Speaker 2: of hemming on a little bit before, is like, what's
Speaker 2: the goal of a presidential election which I don't know
Speaker 2: enough about, but is it sway popular opinion or is
Speaker 2: it to convince these twenty people in this one little
Speaker 2: area that might swing a swing state? You know, I
Speaker 2: think it's it's just the checks and balances about this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I the reason I say this is because like
Speaker 2: every time in Tennessee, like literally a month ago, they
Speaker 2: legalized and it's because a guy, one of the legislators
Speaker 2: had had marry his cousin, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: there people are going to see it for it. But
Speaker 2: now look, I mean, we've got Mike Johnson at the
Speaker 2: porn trial, you know, at the adultery trial, and so
Speaker 2: it's all it's a power game. It's a power game,
Speaker 2: and so the question is exposing stuff that will that
Speaker 2: bring people to our side or are we trying to
Speaker 2: just mobilize our own coalition.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we're only trying to mobilize
Speaker 1: our own coalition, So.
Speaker 2: In that sense, I mean, and I don't know why
Speaker 2: this is, but like if you turn on a s
Speaker 2: NBC or something like that, it's Trump for four hours
Speaker 2: every single night. Yeah, get a story about Biden. But
Speaker 2: like last night there was a two hour special about
Speaker 2: the Trump trial, and then the next show was a
Speaker 2: whole hour about sun trial. And maybe they feel like
Speaker 2: that is what drives revenue or audience. Now, there are
Speaker 2: some I think great lessons about the Trump trial. I
Speaker 2: mean Trump, I don't know what's going to happen. I
Speaker 2: cannot believe that they're going to get a unanimous jury
Speaker 2: on anything about Trump, just because the way the country is.
Speaker 2: But there are great articles in Politico really looking how
Speaker 2: Trump is giving all this advice. That's terrible. He's not
Speaker 2: as smart as he thinks he is. He's sabotaging his
Speaker 2: own case by his own stubbornness, all these kinds. But
Speaker 2: there are things about Trump that, if you follow that trial,
Speaker 2: would make you nervous about that guy being president, even
Speaker 2: if you didn't know anything about all the other stuff
Speaker 2: you've done. So I think there are stories about that,
Speaker 2: but its just I don't know. I felt this for
Speaker 2: for a while, like if Biden was in our nominee,
Speaker 2: if it was Gvin Newsom or somebody else, it just
Speaker 2: seems like we would have a more news worthy candidate.
Speaker 2: But we don't, and so in that vacuum, it's just
Speaker 2: four hours a night of Trump. And so in a way,
Speaker 2: like liberal media and all that kind of stuff in
Speaker 2: our Twitter feeds and all that all kind of play
Speaker 2: into that. And so I guess my question for you is,
Speaker 2: are you suggesting I don't know why they do that. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense to me except that it
Speaker 2: probably drives ratings or something. But are you saying we
Speaker 2: should focus on other stories or something or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that First of all, what MSMBC does
Speaker 1: with their four hours of Trump trial coverage, This is like, honestly,
Speaker 1: this is not the O. J. Simpson trial. This is
Speaker 1: not a murder trial. If it was the document's case, right,
Speaker 1: and if it was actually televised and then you're playing
Speaker 1: back clips, this wouldn't that would make sense. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: you have Senator Katie Britt who just rolled out a
Speaker 1: piece of legislation to start a pregnancy database to track
Speaker 1: women's pregnancies nationally, right, to track their movements. No linkage
Speaker 1: to obgyns, to actual reproductive health clinics. No, it's all
Speaker 1: about religious zelots and these fake clinics that they put
Speaker 1: up to scare women into having their babies. She's created
Speaker 1: a national policy around that. That's a fucking headline news story, right.
Speaker 1: That goes along with the IVF blockages that came out
Speaker 1: of Alabama. That goes again to say half of this
Speaker 1: country are women and people with uteruses. Pay attention to
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Because Donald Trump becomes president and you're
Speaker 1: looking at this abortion band that's in twenty states being
Speaker 1: in fifty states, and you're looking at these national registries
Speaker 1: right like these to me are important stories that are
Speaker 1: not being like even if Biden was only putting this
Speaker 1: shit up in his social fi feeds, right and saying,
Speaker 1: look at what the Republicans have done now, right, like,
Speaker 1: you have got to show people that their agenda is
Speaker 1: much bigger than Donald Trump. And to your point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we had a different candidate, I don't even know, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: if they would be newsworthy, because we've been so conditioned
Speaker 1: over the last nine years to never turn a camera
Speaker 1: away from Trump. Yeah, Like, I just I don't know
Speaker 1: who the candidate would be that would take the camera attention,
Speaker 1: the news attention away from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean again, this is this is the
Speaker 2: situation we have. We're down five points, and if we
Speaker 2: rebuild our coalition, we win. And not only if we
Speaker 2: if we rebuild our coalition, we win, but if we
Speaker 2: rebuild our coalition and we beat Trump, then we also
Speaker 2: change the Republican Party because he will have brought the
Speaker 2: presidential election twice and that'll be I think the last
Speaker 2: straw for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And so you know, but do we really, like we
Speaker 1: always say, and I feel like you and I have
Speaker 1: said this multiple times, this will be the nail in
Speaker 1: the coffin for the Republican Party. This will be the
Speaker 1: end for the Republican Party. Do we believe that trump
Speaker 1: Ism hasn't been metastasized so much in this country that
Speaker 1: if he loses, it doesn't just continue.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I live in Tennessee. Trump is
Speaker 2: not the president of Tennessee, and we have horrible everything,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And so I don't think it's the
Speaker 2: end of the far right turn to the conservative movement.
Speaker 2: But I do think that somebody who if Trump loses
Speaker 2: two presidential elections, I would bet that he will not
Speaker 2: be the nominee the next time after that. And so, yeah,
Speaker 2: because his whole brand is not losing, And so I
Speaker 2: do think it would be something like the end of
Speaker 2: that particular chapter, not the not the ideology. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess the reason I think that's important is because
Speaker 2: think of all the all the deals we haven't been
Speaker 2: able to make, all the yeah, from Ukraine to healthcare reform,
Speaker 2: all these things, I mean, we haven't really Like when
Speaker 2: they put out the Affordable Care Act like seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, the idea was, this is version one
Speaker 2: point zero, and we're going to improve this by all
Speaker 2: negotiating and improving it, and by now we would probably
Speaker 2: have a public option and we would have public health infrastructure.
Speaker 2: But like literally the Trump campaign was like, that's bad
Speaker 2: for our re election and so we're not gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: do it. And remember during the pandemic they tried to
Speaker 2: like overturn the whole ACA. So it's all these things
Speaker 2: where he just stands in the way of like governance
Speaker 2: in a way, and so I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: I think there was something encouraging to me that like
Speaker 2: things could really change for the better if he That's
Speaker 2: my personal thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I look from your lips to God's ears,
Speaker 1: because I believe that if we are able to pull
Speaker 1: off this election, Biden puts up the same numbers that
Speaker 1: he did in twenty twenty and we're able to win.
Speaker 1: I do believe that Donald Trump's all of his trials
Speaker 1: will proceed right the ones that are on hold, and
Speaker 1: I think that he will fade from the public political discourse.
Speaker 1: He'll still be news because of who he is, but
Speaker 1: I fear I believe that he will fade from the
Speaker 1: public the political discourse in terms of like we're not
Speaker 1: going to be looking four years out right to see
Speaker 1: if he'll run again in twenty twenty eight, right, And
Speaker 1: so I think that, yeah, we'll have an opportunity to rebuild.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that trump Ism goes away, No,
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, for instance, if NICKI Haley,
Speaker 1: who has yet to endorse him, who is the longest
Speaker 1: lasting Republican you know in the primary challenge, who is
Speaker 1: not directing her voters to go after Donald Trump? And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has said I don't want your voters, right,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about elections that are one in these
Speaker 1: swing state areas by thousands of votes, not hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands or millions, you know, thousands of votes, and he's
Speaker 1: negating that. I don't know if the Republican Party reverse
Speaker 1: his course and goes back to being normal Republicans. I
Speaker 1: think that it's been a decade of crazy. I think
Speaker 1: they just annoint a new person. But your final thoughts, well.
Speaker 2: Again I just said my final thought is always the same,
Speaker 2: which is, we need to rebuild our coalition, like starting
Speaker 2: yesterday and so and not that that's not happening, but
Speaker 2: it's there's so many things are so so much more
Speaker 2: complicated than they were even in twenty twenty, which is
Speaker 2: hard to believe. I mean, we're in the middle of this,
Speaker 2: you know, horrible time. I'm in all these things. But
Speaker 2: right now there are so many competing narratives and that's
Speaker 2: kind of part of the point. And so I think,
Speaker 2: I think everything we need to do is to rebuild
Speaker 2: our coalition again because I just I interview a lot
Speaker 2: of people who are well, we'll talk about it coming
Speaker 2: forward going for you know, there's a lot of regret
Speaker 2: by people who are in our position right now who
Speaker 2: then vote for some fascism, like why didn't I, why
Speaker 2: not do more? And I don't want to be in
Speaker 2: that position one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Well, we will leave it there. Next week, folks follow
Speaker 1: us on social if you don't already follow Jonathan and
Speaker 1: I because we are going to start our reading group
Speaker 1: conversation next week with two articles that we will tweet
Speaker 1: out and post so that folks can get engaged now
Speaker 1: and prepare for that conversation next week. Thank you, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: always appreciate you, Take care, and.
Speaker 2: I'm going to practice the look all day.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke
Speaker 1: A app as always power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.