WEBVTT - 50/50 Future

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet Your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start off today with talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>two debates that were announced. So first off, I got

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I will be surprised if these debates

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<v Speaker 1>take place. The first one is supposed to happen, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in June, I want to say, And this second

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<v Speaker 1>one is supposed to take place in September. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration is calling for, you know, two debates instead

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<v Speaker 1>of three, and putting them much earlier in the calendar year.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have some folks that are having the most

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous takes on this change, right and talking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden, particularly Nate Silver, who I don't understand at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but who says that the Biden administration is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the organization is supposed to be the administration that

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<v Speaker 1>upholds norms. First off, what the fuck norms do we

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<v Speaker 1>have left in this country? And are we supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend that Donald Trump did not blow off debates, did

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<v Speaker 1>not bring COVID to one of the debates that he

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<v Speaker 1>attended as a way to I don't know, get Biden

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<v Speaker 1>sick or everyone in the audience sick. Do we not

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that we no longer live in an environment where

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<v Speaker 1>political norms are upheld? And so this idea that one

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<v Speaker 1>party is supposed to be the party that holds up

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<v Speaker 1>political norms while the other one can be as badshit

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<v Speaker 1>crazy as they'd like, doesn't make any sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that it is incredibly important one that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there'll be some sense of normalcy, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration is going to move forward as they

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<v Speaker 1>would normally do when seeking a second term, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do so on their terms of what makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense for them. Because Donald Trump, like, why are we

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<v Speaker 1>trying to negotiate in good faith with the domestic terrorists?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. Also, I think that debates are stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>No one is going to watch a debate for anything

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<v Speaker 1>other than some type of entertainment value. People do not

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions about which candidate they're going to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>based on how someone performed with prescripted questions by a

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<v Speaker 1>moderator that is not going to offer any type of

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<v Speaker 1>hard questions, that is not going to do any type

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<v Speaker 1>of follow up like this. Debates are essentially a game show, right,

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to hear from people, if you

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<v Speaker 1>really want to understand the substance of whatever the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>agendas are, then to me, town halls make more sense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>actual town halls, and not with your super supporters, but

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<v Speaker 1>with the mix of independence, Democrats and Republicans from all

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<v Speaker 1>walks of life that actually reflect America and allow people

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<v Speaker 1>to ask questions that like make sense to their day

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<v Speaker 1>to day lives, and the candidates then respond to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that I remember. I'm not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>too old to remember when MTV was doing you know,

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<v Speaker 1>debates and Bill Clinton went on, right, and you're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>with a group of like, you know, young people and

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<v Speaker 1>getting to know what's on their mind, and like you,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to really prep right, like you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening and you're answering questions and you're trying to connect.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss those days. I don't think that we'll ever

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<v Speaker 1>return to them. But I think that it's important for

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<v Speaker 1>us to understand that like, this is political theater. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not some type of framework that is meant to

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<v Speaker 1>give you any more or less information than you have

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And the fact is is that most people

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<v Speaker 1>only begin to tune in to the election, maybe about

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<v Speaker 1>two months to a month beforehand. So even this first

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<v Speaker 1>debate taking place on June twenty seventh, will most Americans

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<v Speaker 1>be tuned in, probably but probably to see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hot shit is going to come out of Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's mouth, whether or not he's going to fall asleep

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<v Speaker 1>or fart, and whether or not the moderator who, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of who they are, going to have the worst job

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<v Speaker 1>on that day, because no one will think that they

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<v Speaker 1>did well, and if they do do well, it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>based on you know, which candidate ended up doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>No one wins in this right, But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the takes that I'm seeing on social media around the

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<v Speaker 1>scheduling and whether or not Donald Trump will actually show

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<v Speaker 1>up and show up in a way like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really care. We already know who Donald Trump is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody with eyes and ears no know what Donald Trump is,

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<v Speaker 1>what he is about, what he cares about, and what

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<v Speaker 1>The plan that the Republican Party has for this country

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<v Speaker 1>is Project twenty twenty five. It is about finishing the

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<v Speaker 1>gut job on our democracy, taking over the agencies and

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<v Speaker 1>rooting out who they deem as you know, politicized actors,

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<v Speaker 1>which is exactly the opposite of who works in government, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they are apolitical. But the fact is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know what the Republicans are going to do, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it is voting against raising the age of children to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get married right until they are adults

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<v Speaker 1>at like eighteen, whether it is reversing child labor laws,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is further marginalizing trans people and the LGBTQ community,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is trying to stamp out the advancements that

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<v Speaker 1>black people have made since the Civil Rights movement, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it is to criminals lies Latin X people, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>is to criminalize migrants and immigrants that are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find work in this country because of the ways in

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<v Speaker 1>which the United States has interfered in the political structure

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<v Speaker 1>in their countries making it unsafe, which America has done

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<v Speaker 1>for decades in Latin America. So I think that what

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<v Speaker 1>we have to understand here is that debates, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age again are mostly of entertainment value,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact remains on whether or not Biden can

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<v Speaker 1>really sell right what his vision is for America. In

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<v Speaker 1>stark contrast to Donald Trump. Now, Biden has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other issues that are in front of him, Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>being the most glaring one, with net and Yahoo most

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<v Speaker 1>recently saying that they're not a whatever it was, some

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<v Speaker 1>colony or whatever it was of the United States. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's what I will say about net Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>who this is what he said, We are not a

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<v Speaker 1>vassal of the United States. When it pertains to Biden

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the RAFA invasion is the red line, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my whole thing is that Netanyahu has been playing chess,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what the fuck game Biden has

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<v Speaker 1>been playing in Gaza, but he is losing. He is

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<v Speaker 1>losing public sympathy, he is losing public engagement, and the

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<v Speaker 1>unrest around. Our tax dollars going to fund a genocide

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<v Speaker 1>are getting bigger and bigger and bigger by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when this man Netnyaho decides to publicly embarrass

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden and the United States, do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I do in response to that, I pull the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>funds right and stop playing games and let Netanyah who

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<v Speaker 1>know who exactly is in charge and he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>go it alone to pursue his genocide, then let him

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<v Speaker 1>fucking do that right, But Joe Biden is facing that

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<v Speaker 1>in this election right where a war that is not

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<v Speaker 1>happening on our shores are shaping public opinion, and not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention the trials that are taking place right and

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<v Speaker 1>people feeling like in some instances that these are politicized

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact that they're not. Because had Merrick Garland

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<v Speaker 1>done what the fuck he was supposed to do in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, we wouldn't be here right now. So

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<v Speaker 1>will Biden the Biden that we saw at the State

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<v Speaker 1>of the Union show up at these debates? I think

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<v Speaker 1>if that Joe Biden shows up and is very clear,

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<v Speaker 1>is very assertive, is forceful and commanding, then I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we have a shot. But right now we're at

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty to fifty toss up and that scares the

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<v Speaker 1>shit out of me. Coming up next, my friends, our

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with our in house doctor, doctor John Than Metsill,

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<v Speaker 1>where we talk about Biden's latest poll numbers, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they matter, what Democrats need to be doing in

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<v Speaker 1>these critical days leading up to the twenty twenty four election. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. We are

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<v Speaker 1>always thrilled it is you, and so this week we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to discuss Joe Biden's latest poll numbers, which, surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>not great. You know how I feel about polls this early,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll still dig into them because I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good barometer for where things stand right now, as

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<v Speaker 1>we can all see different headlines playing out. Jonathan, So

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, latest polls tell us Biden is down everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that it was a couple of days ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>whys and other people have been tweeting about this A

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<v Speaker 2>lot two things have a first, Biden's pretty much down

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<v Speaker 2>at least five percent in most swing states according to

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty convincing polls recently, and it's true across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's point number one. And then point number

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<v Speaker 2>two is he and his advisors at least are saying

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<v Speaker 2>publicly in these interviews and stuff that they're not concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about it. And so, you know, I guess the question is,

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<v Speaker 2>did they share your disdain for polls. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things a lot of articles are pointing out right now

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<v Speaker 2>is that Biden voters are much more invested in speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to polsters, and so If anything, the fear is that

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<v Speaker 2>it understates the number of people who are actually voting

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<v Speaker 2>for Trump. So I guess the question is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where are we now? Like may I think it is?

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<v Speaker 2>What does this mean? Is there going to be some rallying?

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<v Speaker 2>And usually there's a bump? I mean, think about Biden

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<v Speaker 2>for example, everybody thought he was weekend at Bernie's and

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<v Speaker 2>then he did that stadium with the Union dress, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, everybody's like it totally stopped all

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<v Speaker 2>that talk about you know, at least for now all

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<v Speaker 2>that talk. So is there going to be like a

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<v Speaker 2>bump moment, a turn moment? Do they have some secret

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<v Speaker 2>strategy that civilians like you and I don't know about,

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<v Speaker 2>like the old member like Obama, like they had this

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<v Speaker 2>secret where like people didn't know about like digital marketing

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<v Speaker 2>quite yet or something like that. And so is there

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<v Speaker 2>some is there people smart people? Or is this oblivious?

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope it's not the third one, but it

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<v Speaker 2>just seems like the the I mean again, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many things that could happen. Trump could get convicted. I

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<v Speaker 2>send you a great article about you did ye? Trump

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<v Speaker 2>now being as smart as he thinks he is this.

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<v Speaker 2>This trial shows it that his impulses are often wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a million things he could do wrong. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like, what do we do at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for a while there was a oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go to the convention and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to nominate like Omegatron or I don't know, stay Puff,

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<v Speaker 2>marshmallow Man or somebody else. But I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>your sense of all this?

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<v Speaker 1>So I will say this that everybody knows that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>polls are subjective, right, depending on the questions that are asked,

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<v Speaker 1>who they're asked, and how they're sent and all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things. I say that as a precursor. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that largely when I talk to folks, the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of wins. And I'm just speaking domestically,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of wins. What they are terrible

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<v Speaker 1>at as every single Democrat, it seems, is really talking

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<v Speaker 1>about those wins. Where I think that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of issue right now is that one Biden is

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<v Speaker 1>not I think that the people that are around him

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<v Speaker 1>do not have the pulse, like their finger on the

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<v Speaker 1>pulse of what's happening on the ground. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they believed that with Donald Trump dogged, with all of

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<v Speaker 1>these different trials, with him saying these outlandish things and

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<v Speaker 1>spiraling out of control, that that was going to be enough. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not because the only people that are paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to the Trump trials are people that watch CNN and MSNBC.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not being played on Fox, it's not being

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<v Speaker 1>played in the right wing. It's not being talked about

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<v Speaker 1>at all. So even when reporters, when people go to

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<v Speaker 1>Trump rallies and they're like, well, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about what's happening in the electoral fraud trial the hush

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<v Speaker 1>money case, they don't know what you're talking about. So

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<v Speaker 1>two things can be true. I don't think that Biden

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<v Speaker 1>is getting the right advice. That's one two. I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that Trump is expanding his base at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He is not going to be able to win without

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<v Speaker 1>expanding his base. The only people that we talk to

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<v Speaker 1>are the most fervent Trump supporters that don't care who

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<v Speaker 1>he kills, what he does, any of that. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is thirty percent of the population. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>win with thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. The red herring, of course, is the Helman

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<v Speaker 2>and the brain campaign of RFK Junior, you know all

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<v Speaker 2>these other things. I just texted you the polls, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. Like again, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to oversimplify them. Like there's a million times that I've thought,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, you know, those people are idiots, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it turns out they had some strategy I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know about, and that you know, they probably have access

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of data, a lot of methods. But

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that, like I study guns, right, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of people support background checks, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean anybody's going to win an election based on a

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<v Speaker 2>background check, right. People don't vote based on gun issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals don't vote based on gun issues. So even though

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five percent of people will tell you I support

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<v Speaker 2>background checks, Democrats for so long have misinterpreted with that

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<v Speaker 2>data means because popular support is not the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>as winning an election. And so I don't know there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just feel like we're like floating around

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<v Speaker 2>in space right now. There are so many different medias

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<v Speaker 2>that could hit us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's good, that's such a good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I went down the route all of watching

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<v Speaker 2>the part of the speech of RFK Junior's vice presidential candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I do, it is time and and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just think there's so many things that could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But again that's where like having a really robust they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to mount some kind of really robust, vibrant campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are things that are happening, Like did

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<v Speaker 2>you see that Biden now is raising all these tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>on China in ways that people are actually going to feel,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, that's such a Trump move. He's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of taking a page out of Trump's playbook. So I

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<v Speaker 2>mean again, there if for some if some miracle, they

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<v Speaker 2>get a a cease fire and some viable strategy forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I actually think, in my opinion, Lincoln's making

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of sense right now about the long term plan,

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<v Speaker 2>and so if any of these things could kind of

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<v Speaker 2>change course. And I don't know what's happening behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will this is what let me say. This

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<v Speaker 2>is my long way of sharing your nervousness but not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to articulate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I will say this, Like to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Joe Biden needs to not run a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign against Donald Trump. I think that he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>run a campaign against the Republican Party. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that what we are missing right now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>literally just talked about this on another show, is that

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party take out Donald Trump and the circus

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<v Speaker 1>of the trials, right, and now all of these Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>going down to the courthouse where his family isn't even

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<v Speaker 1>so that they can show their.

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<v Speaker 2>Subject, well Johnson's corn trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Right or auditioned for you know, Vice president, Like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what they're doing, right, to show their support. His

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<v Speaker 1>own family's not showing up except for Eric and who

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<v Speaker 1>cares about him. But in the meantime, what do we

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<v Speaker 1>have going on in Missouri? Well, the Missouri Republicans have

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<v Speaker 1>decided to block a measure to raise the age of

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<v Speaker 1>marriage from sixteen to eighteen years old. Right in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the age to marry in Missouri was fourteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, right, and they raised it from yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now two of there are Republicans that are blocking

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<v Speaker 1>it with the audacity of saying that people need to

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<v Speaker 1>stay out of other people's private lives, the audacity right,

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time that they don't want to raise

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<v Speaker 1>the age of child marriage. They're also rolling back child

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<v Speaker 1>worker protection laws in Alabama, right, and in Florida. You

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing this attack of this slow roll back of

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<v Speaker 1>an industrialized modern country into like back to a developing age.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not paying attention to that because we want

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<v Speaker 1>to know if Donald Trump is farting or is falling

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<v Speaker 1>asleep in a courtroom. And I'm like, and meanwhile, you

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<v Speaker 1>have Republicans that are literally we just Arizona people might

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<v Speaker 1>not have had that eighteen sixty four piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 1>stay on the books if not for it making the headline.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not talking about what this party as a

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<v Speaker 1>whole is doing outside of what Donald Trump is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm the Biden campaign, I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. I care about what Republicans are doing with

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<v Speaker 1>or without him, right, and making the case that the

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<v Speaker 1>American people need to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to give you three rebettal points.

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<v Speaker 1>Viral means, can we.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a screenshot of the do it? Okay? See here's

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<v Speaker 2>the I'm from Missouri and I live in Tennessee, and

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee you can marry your cousin now it's legal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I can't. That's not real life.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, it's not like that's any surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>but this keeps happen. People don't lose elections in red

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<v Speaker 2>states for this, and so the Republican Party is a

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<v Speaker 2>known quantity and and and they still win. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not because they have public public support. It's because they

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<v Speaker 2>have from the ground up rigged the system by jerremandering

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<v Speaker 2>and so people are safe, like nobody's even after the

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<v Speaker 2>Covenant School shooting, when all these Republican ams were demanded guniform,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have. They didn't threaten these guys. And so

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<v Speaker 2>in a way, part of the story is about the

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<v Speaker 2>it's about the system. And that's why I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hemming on a little bit before, is like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the goal of a presidential election which I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>enough about, but is it sway popular opinion or is

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<v Speaker 2>it to convince these twenty people in this one little

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<v Speaker 2>area that might swing a swing state? You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's it's just the checks and balances about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I the reason I say this is because like

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<v Speaker 2>every time in Tennessee, like literally a month ago, they

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<v Speaker 2>legalized and it's because a guy, one of the legislators

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<v Speaker 2>had had marry his cousin, and I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>there people are going to see it for it. But

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<v Speaker 2>now look, I mean, we've got Mike Johnson at the

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<v Speaker 2>porn trial, you know, at the adultery trial, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's all it's a power game. It's a power game,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the question is exposing stuff that will that

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<v Speaker 2>bring people to our side or are we trying to

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<v Speaker 2>just mobilize our own coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that we're only trying to mobilize

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<v Speaker 1>our own coalition, So.

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<v Speaker 2>In that sense, I mean, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>this is, but like if you turn on a s

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<v Speaker 2>NBC or something like that, it's Trump for four hours

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<v Speaker 2>every single night. Yeah, get a story about Biden. But

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<v Speaker 2>like last night there was a two hour special about

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump trial, and then the next show was a

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<v Speaker 2>whole hour about sun trial. And maybe they feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that is what drives revenue or audience. Now, there are

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<v Speaker 2>some I think great lessons about the Trump trial. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Trump, I don't know what's going to happen. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot believe that they're going to get a unanimous jury

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<v Speaker 2>on anything about Trump, just because the way the country is.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are great articles in Politico really looking how

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is giving all this advice. That's terrible. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>as smart as he thinks he is. He's sabotaging his

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<v Speaker 2>own case by his own stubbornness, all these kinds. But

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<v Speaker 2>there are things about Trump that, if you follow that trial,

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<v Speaker 2>would make you nervous about that guy being president, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't know anything about all the other stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you've done. So I think there are stories about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but its just I don't know. I felt this for

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, like if Biden was in our nominee,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was Gvin Newsom or somebody else, it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like we would have a more news worthy candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>But we don't, and so in that vacuum, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>four hours a night of Trump. And so in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>like liberal media and all that kind of stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>our Twitter feeds and all that all kind of play

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<v Speaker 2>into that. And so I guess my question for you is,

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<v Speaker 2>are you suggesting I don't know why they do that. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make any sense to me except that it

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<v Speaker 2>probably drives ratings or something. But are you saying we

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<v Speaker 2>should focus on other stories or something or what?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that First of all, what MSMBC does

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<v Speaker 1>with their four hours of Trump trial coverage, This is like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the O. J. Simpson trial. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a murder trial. If it was the document's case, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it was actually televised and then you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>back clips, this wouldn't that would make sense. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>you have Senator Katie Britt who just rolled out a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation to start a pregnancy database to track

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<v Speaker 1>women's pregnancies nationally, right, to track their movements. No linkage

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<v Speaker 1>to obgyns, to actual reproductive health clinics. No, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>about religious zelots and these fake clinics that they put

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<v Speaker 1>up to scare women into having their babies. She's created

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<v Speaker 1>a national policy around that. That's a fucking headline news story, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That goes along with the IVF blockages that came out

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<v Speaker 1>of Alabama. That goes again to say half of this

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<v Speaker 1>country are women and people with uteruses. Pay attention to

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. Because Donald Trump becomes president and you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this abortion band that's in twenty states being

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<v Speaker 1>in fifty states, and you're looking at these national registries

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<v Speaker 1>right like these to me are important stories that are

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<v Speaker 1>not being like even if Biden was only putting this

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<v Speaker 1>shit up in his social fi feeds, right and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>look at what the Republicans have done now, right, like,

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.239
<v Speaker 1>you have got to show people that their agenda is

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger than Donald Trump. And to your point, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if we had a different candidate, I don't even know, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>if they would be newsworthy, because we've been so conditioned

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<v Speaker 1>over the last nine years to never turn a camera

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<v Speaker 1>away from Trump. Yeah, Like, I just I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who the candidate would be that would take the camera attention,

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<v Speaker 1>the news attention away from Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I mean again, this is this is the

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<v Speaker 2>situation we have. We're down five points, and if we

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild our coalition, we win. And not only if we

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 2>if we rebuild our coalition, we win, but if we

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild our coalition and we beat Trump, then we also

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<v Speaker 2>change the Republican Party because he will have brought the

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<v Speaker 2>presidential election twice and that'll be I think the last

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<v Speaker 2>straw for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, but do we really, like we

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<v Speaker 1>always say, and I feel like you and I have

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<v Speaker 1>said this multiple times, this will be the nail in

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the coffin for the Republican Party. This will be the

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<v Speaker 1>end for the Republican Party. Do we believe that trump

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<v Speaker 1>Ism hasn't been metastasized so much in this country that

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<v Speaker 1>if he loses, it doesn't just continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, look, I live in Tennessee. Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>not the president of Tennessee, and we have horrible everything,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, And so I don't think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the far right turn to the conservative movement.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that somebody who if Trump loses

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<v Speaker 2>two presidential elections, I would bet that he will not

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<v Speaker 2>be the nominee the next time after that. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because his whole brand is not losing, And so I

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 2>do think it would be something like the end of

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that particular chapter, not the not the ideology. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the reason I think that's important is because

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<v Speaker 2>think of all the all the deals we haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>able to make, all the yeah, from Ukraine to healthcare reform,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things, I mean, we haven't really Like when

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<v Speaker 2>they put out the Affordable Care Act like seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, the idea was, this is version one

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<v Speaker 2>point zero, and we're going to improve this by all

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>negotiating and improving it, and by now we would probably

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>have a public option and we would have public health infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>But like literally the Trump campaign was like, that's bad

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<v Speaker 2>for our re election and so we're not gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do it. And remember during the pandemic they tried to

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<v Speaker 2>like overturn the whole ACA. So it's all these things

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<v Speaker 2>where he just stands in the way of like governance

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<v Speaker 2>in a way, and so I don't know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was something encouraging to me that like

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<v Speaker 2>things could really change for the better if he That's

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<v Speaker 2>my personal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I look from your lips to God's ears,

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe that if we are able to pull

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<v Speaker 1>off this election, Biden puts up the same numbers that

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<v Speaker 1>he did in twenty twenty and we're able to win.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that Donald Trump's all of his trials

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<v Speaker 1>will proceed right the ones that are on hold, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he will fade from the public political discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll still be news because of who he is, but

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<v Speaker 1>I fear I believe that he will fade from the

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<v Speaker 1>public the political discourse in terms of like we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be looking four years out right to see

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<v Speaker 1>if he'll run again in twenty twenty eight, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that, yeah, we'll have an opportunity to rebuild.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that trump Ism goes away, No,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't know, for instance, if NICKI Haley,

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<v Speaker 1>who has yet to endorse him, who is the longest

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<v Speaker 1>lasting Republican you know in the primary challenge, who is

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<v Speaker 1>not directing her voters to go after Donald Trump? And

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has said I don't want your voters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about elections that are one in these

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<v Speaker 1>swing state areas by thousands of votes, not hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands or millions, you know, thousands of votes, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>negating that. I don't know if the Republican Party reverse

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<v Speaker 1>his course and goes back to being normal Republicans. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's been a decade of crazy. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they just annoint a new person. But your final thoughts, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Again I just said my final thought is always the same,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, we need to rebuild our coalition, like starting

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and so and not that that's not happening, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's there's so many things are so so much more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than they were even in twenty twenty, which is

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<v Speaker 2>hard to believe. I mean, we're in the middle of this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, horrible time. I'm in all these things. But

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<v Speaker 2>right now there are so many competing narratives and that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of part of the point. And so I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think everything we need to do is to rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>our coalition again because I just I interview a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are well, we'll talk about it coming

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<v Speaker 2>forward going for you know, there's a lot of regret

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<v Speaker 2>by people who are in our position right now who

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<v Speaker 2>then vote for some fascism, like why didn't I, why

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<v Speaker 2>not do more? And I don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 2>that position one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we will leave it there. Next week, folks follow

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<v Speaker 1>us on social if you don't already follow Jonathan and

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<v Speaker 1>I because we are going to start our reading group

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<v Speaker 1>conversation next week with two articles that we will tweet

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<v Speaker 1>out and post so that folks can get engaged now

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<v Speaker 1>and prepare for that conversation next week. Thank you, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>always appreciate you, Take care, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to practice the look all day.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today, dear friends on woke

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<v Speaker 1>A app as always power to the people and to all

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<v Speaker 1>the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.