1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: I want to start off today with talking about the 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: two debates that were announced. So first off, I got 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: to say that I will be surprised if these debates 6 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: take place. The first one is supposed to happen, I 7 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: believe in June, I want to say, And this second 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: one is supposed to take place in September. And the 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Biden administration is calling for, you know, two debates instead 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: of three, and putting them much earlier in the calendar year. 11 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: And you have some folks that are having the most 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous takes on this change, right and talking about, oh, 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: the Biden, particularly Nate Silver, who I don't understand at all, 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: but who says that the Biden administration is supposed to 15 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: be the organization is supposed to be the administration that 16 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: upholds norms. First off, what the fuck norms do we 17 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: have left in this country? And are we supposed to 18 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: pretend that Donald Trump did not blow off debates, did 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: not bring COVID to one of the debates that he 20 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: attended as a way to I don't know, get Biden 21 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: sick or everyone in the audience sick. Do we not 22 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: recognize that we no longer live in an environment where 23 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: political norms are upheld? And so this idea that one 24 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: party is supposed to be the party that holds up 25 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: political norms while the other one can be as badshit 26 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: crazy as they'd like, doesn't make any sense to me. 27 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: And so I think that it is incredibly important one that, 28 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: of course there'll be some sense of normalcy, meaning that 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is going to move forward as they 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: would normally do when seeking a second term, but they're 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: going to do so on their terms of what makes 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: sense for them. Because Donald Trump, like, why are we 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: trying to negotiate in good faith with the domestic terrorists? 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Also, I think that debates are stupid. 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: No one is going to watch a debate for anything 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: other than some type of entertainment value. People do not 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: make decisions about which candidate they're going to vote for 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: based on how someone performed with prescripted questions by a 39 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: moderator that is not going to offer any type of 40 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: hard questions, that is not going to do any type 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: of follow up like this. Debates are essentially a game show, right, 42 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: If you really want to hear from people, if you 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: really want to understand the substance of whatever the campaign 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: agendas are, then to me, town halls make more sense, right, 45 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: actual town halls, and not with your super supporters, but 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: with the mix of independence, Democrats and Republicans from all 47 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: walks of life that actually reflect America and allow people 48 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: to ask questions that like make sense to their day 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: to day lives, and the candidates then respond to that. 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I remember. I'm not, you know, 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: too old to remember when MTV was doing you know, 52 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: debates and Bill Clinton went on, right, and you're sitting 53 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: with a group of like, you know, young people and 54 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: getting to know what's on their mind, and like you, 55 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: there's no way to really prep right, like you're you're 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: listening and you're answering questions and you're trying to connect. 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: I miss those days. I don't think that we'll ever 58 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: return to them. But I think that it's important for 59 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: us to understand that like, this is political theater. This 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: is not some type of framework that is meant to 61 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: give you any more or less information than you have 62 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: right now. And the fact is is that most people 63 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: only begin to tune in to the election, maybe about 64 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: two months to a month beforehand. So even this first 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: debate taking place on June twenty seventh, will most Americans 66 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: be tuned in, probably but probably to see what kind 67 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: of hot shit is going to come out of Donald 68 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Trump's mouth, whether or not he's going to fall asleep 69 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: or fart, and whether or not the moderator who, regardless 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: of who they are, going to have the worst job 71 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: on that day, because no one will think that they 72 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: did well, and if they do do well, it'll be 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: based on you know, which candidate ended up doing well. 74 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: No one wins in this right, But I think that 75 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: the takes that I'm seeing on social media around the 76 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: scheduling and whether or not Donald Trump will actually show 77 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: up and show up in a way like I don't 78 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: really care. We already know who Donald Trump is, right, 79 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: anybody with eyes and ears no know what Donald Trump is, 80 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: what he is about, what he cares about, and what 81 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: The plan that the Republican Party has for this country 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: is Project twenty twenty five. It is about finishing the 83 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: gut job on our democracy, taking over the agencies and 84 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: rooting out who they deem as you know, politicized actors, 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: which is exactly the opposite of who works in government, right, 86 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: they are apolitical. But the fact is that you know, 87 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: we know what the Republicans are going to do, whether 88 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: it is voting against raising the age of children to 89 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: be able to get married right until they are adults 90 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: at like eighteen, whether it is reversing child labor laws, 91 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: whether it is further marginalizing trans people and the LGBTQ community, 92 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: whether it is trying to stamp out the advancements that 93 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: black people have made since the Civil Rights movement, whether 94 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: it is to criminals lies Latin X people, whether it 95 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: is to criminalize migrants and immigrants that are trying to 96 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: find work in this country because of the ways in 97 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: which the United States has interfered in the political structure 98 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: in their countries making it unsafe, which America has done 99 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: for decades in Latin America. So I think that what 100 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: we have to understand here is that debates, I think, 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: in this day and age again are mostly of entertainment value, 102 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: and the fact remains on whether or not Biden can 103 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: really sell right what his vision is for America. In 104 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: stark contrast to Donald Trump. Now, Biden has a lot 105 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: of other issues that are in front of him, Gaza 106 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: being the most glaring one, with net and Yahoo most 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: recently saying that they're not a whatever it was, some 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: colony or whatever it was of the United States. And 109 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, here's what I will say about net Yahoo 110 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: who this is what he said, We are not a 111 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: vassal of the United States. When it pertains to Biden 112 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: saying that the RAFA invasion is the red line, you know, 113 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: my whole thing is that Netanyahu has been playing chess, 114 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know what the fuck game Biden has 115 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: been playing in Gaza, but he is losing. He is 116 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: losing public sympathy, he is losing public engagement, and the 117 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: unrest around. Our tax dollars going to fund a genocide 118 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: are getting bigger and bigger and bigger by the day. 119 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: And so when this man Netnyaho decides to publicly embarrass 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and the United States, do you know what 121 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: I do in response to that, I pull the fucking 122 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: funds right and stop playing games and let Netanyah who 123 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: know who exactly is in charge and he wants to 124 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: go it alone to pursue his genocide, then let him 125 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: fucking do that right, But Joe Biden is facing that 126 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: in this election right where a war that is not 127 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: happening on our shores are shaping public opinion, and not 128 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: to mention the trials that are taking place right and 129 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: people feeling like in some instances that these are politicized 130 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: when in fact that they're not. Because had Merrick Garland 131 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: done what the fuck he was supposed to do in 132 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we wouldn't be here right now. So 133 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: will Biden the Biden that we saw at the State 134 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: of the Union show up at these debates? I think 135 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: if that Joe Biden shows up and is very clear, 136 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: is very assertive, is forceful and commanding, then I think 137 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: that we have a shot. But right now we're at 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty toss up and that scares the 139 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: shit out of me. Coming up next, my friends, our 140 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor, doctor John Than Metsill, 141 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: where we talk about Biden's latest poll numbers, whether or 142 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: not they matter, what Democrats need to be doing in 143 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: these critical days leading up to the twenty twenty four election. Folks, 144 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak 145 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. We are 146 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: always thrilled it is you, and so this week we 147 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: are going to discuss Joe Biden's latest poll numbers, which, surprise, surprise, 148 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: not great. You know how I feel about polls this early, 149 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: but we'll still dig into them because I think it's 150 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: a good barometer for where things stand right now, as 151 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: we can all see different headlines playing out. Jonathan, So 152 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: you're saying, latest polls tell us Biden is down everywhere. 153 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was a couple of days ago, and 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: whys and other people have been tweeting about this A 155 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: lot two things have a first, Biden's pretty much down 156 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: at least five percent in most swing states according to 157 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: some pretty convincing polls recently, and it's true across the board. 158 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: And so that's point number one. And then point number 159 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: two is he and his advisors at least are saying 160 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: publicly in these interviews and stuff that they're not concerned 161 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: about it. And so, you know, I guess the question is, 162 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: did they share your disdain for polls. One of the 163 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: things a lot of articles are pointing out right now 164 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: is that Biden voters are much more invested in speaking 165 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: to polsters, and so If anything, the fear is that 166 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: it understates the number of people who are actually voting 167 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: for Trump. So I guess the question is, you know, 168 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: where are we now? Like may I think it is? 169 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: What does this mean? Is there going to be some rallying? 170 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: And usually there's a bump? I mean, think about Biden 171 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: for example, everybody thought he was weekend at Bernie's and 172 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: then he did that stadium with the Union dress, and 173 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everybody's like it totally stopped all 174 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: that talk about you know, at least for now all 175 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: that talk. So is there going to be like a 176 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: bump moment, a turn moment? Do they have some secret 177 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: strategy that civilians like you and I don't know about, 178 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: like the old member like Obama, like they had this 179 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: secret where like people didn't know about like digital marketing 180 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: quite yet or something like that. And so is there 181 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: some is there people smart people? Or is this oblivious? 182 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: And I hope it's not the third one, but it 183 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: just seems like the the I mean again, there's so 184 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: many things that could happen. Trump could get convicted. I 185 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: send you a great article about you did ye? Trump 186 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: now being as smart as he thinks he is this. 187 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: This trial shows it that his impulses are often wrong. 188 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: So there's a million things he could do wrong. But 189 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, like, what do we do at this point? 190 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: You know, for a while there was a oh my god, 191 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: we're going to go to the convention and then we're 192 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: going to nominate like Omegatron or I don't know, stay Puff, 193 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: marshmallow Man or somebody else. But I don't know what's 194 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: your sense of all this? 195 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: So I will say this that everybody knows that, you know, 196 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: polls are subjective, right, depending on the questions that are asked, 197 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: who they're asked, and how they're sent and all of 198 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: these things. I say that as a precursor. I think 199 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: that largely when I talk to folks, the Biden administration 200 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: has a lot of wins. And I'm just speaking domestically, 201 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: they have a lot of wins. What they are terrible 202 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: at as every single Democrat, it seems, is really talking 203 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: about those wins. Where I think that there is a 204 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of issue right now is that one Biden is 205 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: not I think that the people that are around him 206 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: do not have the pulse, like their finger on the 207 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: pulse of what's happening on the ground. I think that 208 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: they believed that with Donald Trump dogged, with all of 209 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: these different trials, with him saying these outlandish things and 210 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: spiraling out of control, that that was going to be enough. Right, 211 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: it's not because the only people that are paying attention 212 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: to the Trump trials are people that watch CNN and MSNBC. 213 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: It is not being played on Fox, it's not being 214 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: played in the right wing. It's not being talked about 215 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: at all. So even when reporters, when people go to 216 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Trump rallies and they're like, well, what do you think 217 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: about what's happening in the electoral fraud trial the hush 218 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: money case, they don't know what you're talking about. So 219 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: two things can be true. I don't think that Biden 220 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: is getting the right advice. That's one two. I also 221 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: don't think that Trump is expanding his base at all. 222 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: He is not going to be able to win without 223 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: expanding his base. The only people that we talk to 224 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: are the most fervent Trump supporters that don't care who 225 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: he kills, what he does, any of that. But that 226 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: is thirty percent of the population. You're not going to 227 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: win with thirty percent. 228 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: I mean. The red herring, of course, is the Helman 229 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: and the brain campaign of RFK Junior, you know all 230 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: these other things. I just texted you the polls, But 231 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Like again, I don't want 232 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: to oversimplify them. Like there's a million times that I've thought, 233 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you know, those people are idiots, and 234 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: then it turns out they had some strategy I didn't 235 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: know about, and that you know, they probably have access 236 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: to a lot of data, a lot of methods. But 237 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: I will say that, like I study guns, right, eighty 238 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: five percent of people support background checks, but that doesn't 239 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: mean anybody's going to win an election based on a 240 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: background check, right. People don't vote based on gun issues. 241 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: Liberals don't vote based on gun issues. So even though 242 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: eighty five percent of people will tell you I support 243 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: background checks, Democrats for so long have misinterpreted with that 244 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: data means because popular support is not the same thing 245 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: as winning an election. And so I don't know there. 246 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like we're like floating around 247 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: in space right now. There are so many different medias 248 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: that could hit us. 249 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, that's good, that's such a good enough. 250 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I went down the route all of watching 251 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: the part of the speech of RFK Junior's vice presidential candidate, 252 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: Like I do, it is time and and so you know, 253 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: I just think there's so many things that could happen. 254 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: But again that's where like having a really robust they're 255 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: gonna have to mount some kind of really robust, vibrant campaign. 256 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean, there are things that are happening, Like did 257 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: you see that Biden now is raising all these tariffs 258 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: on China in ways that people are actually going to feel, 259 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: So you know, that's such a Trump move. He's kind 260 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: of taking a page out of Trump's playbook. So I 261 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: mean again, there if for some if some miracle, they 262 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: get a a cease fire and some viable strategy forward. 263 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I actually think, in my opinion, Lincoln's making 264 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: a ton of sense right now about the long term plan, 265 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: and so if any of these things could kind of 266 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: change course. And I don't know what's happening behind the scenes, 267 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: but I will this is what let me say. This 268 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: is my long way of sharing your nervousness but not 269 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: wanting to articulate it. 270 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, but I will say this, Like to be honest, 271 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: I think that Joe Biden needs to not run a 272 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: campaign against Donald Trump. I think that he needs to 273 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: run a campaign against the Republican Party. Yeah, and I 274 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: think that what we are missing right now, and I 275 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: literally just talked about this on another show, is that 276 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: the Republican Party take out Donald Trump and the circus 277 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: of the trials, right, and now all of these Republicans 278 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: going down to the courthouse where his family isn't even 279 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: so that they can show their. 280 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: Subject, well Johnson's corn trial. 281 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Right or auditioned for you know, Vice president, Like, this 282 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: is what they're doing, right, to show their support. His 283 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: own family's not showing up except for Eric and who 284 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: cares about him. But in the meantime, what do we 285 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: have going on in Missouri? Well, the Missouri Republicans have 286 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: decided to block a measure to raise the age of 287 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: marriage from sixteen to eighteen years old. Right in twenty eighteen, 288 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: the age to marry in Missouri was fourteen years old. 289 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, and they raised it from yeah. And 290 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: so now two of there are Republicans that are blocking 291 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: it with the audacity of saying that people need to 292 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: stay out of other people's private lives, the audacity right, 293 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: at the same time that they don't want to raise 294 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the age of child marriage. They're also rolling back child 295 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: worker protection laws in Alabama, right, and in Florida. You 296 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: are seeing this attack of this slow roll back of 297 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: an industrialized modern country into like back to a developing age. 298 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: And we're not paying attention to that because we want 299 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: to know if Donald Trump is farting or is falling 300 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: asleep in a courtroom. And I'm like, and meanwhile, you 301 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: have Republicans that are literally we just Arizona people might 302 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: not have had that eighteen sixty four piece of legislation 303 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: stay on the books if not for it making the headline. 304 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: So we're not talking about what this party as a 305 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: whole is doing outside of what Donald Trump is doing. 306 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: So if I'm the Biden campaign, I don't care about 307 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I care about what Republicans are doing with 308 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: or without him, right, and making the case that the 309 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: American people need to see that. 310 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to give you three rebettal points. 311 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: Viral means, can we. 312 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: Get a screenshot of the do it? Okay? See here's 313 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: the I'm from Missouri and I live in Tennessee, and 314 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: Tennessee you can marry your cousin now it's legal. 315 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: Yeah I can't. That's not real life. 316 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's not like that's any surprise, 317 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: but this keeps happen. People don't lose elections in red 318 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: states for this, and so the Republican Party is a 319 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: known quantity and and and they still win. And it's 320 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: not because they have public public support. It's because they 321 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: have from the ground up rigged the system by jerremandering 322 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: and so people are safe, like nobody's even after the 323 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: Covenant School shooting, when all these Republican ams were demanded guniform, 324 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: they didn't have. They didn't threaten these guys. And so 325 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: in a way, part of the story is about the 326 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: it's about the system. And that's why I was kind 327 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: of hemming on a little bit before, is like, what's 328 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: the goal of a presidential election which I don't know 329 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: enough about, but is it sway popular opinion or is 330 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: it to convince these twenty people in this one little 331 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: area that might swing a swing state? You know, I 332 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: think it's it's just the checks and balances about this stuff. 333 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: And I the reason I say this is because like 334 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: every time in Tennessee, like literally a month ago, they 335 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: legalized and it's because a guy, one of the legislators 336 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: had had marry his cousin, and I'm like, oh my god, 337 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: there people are going to see it for it. But 338 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: now look, I mean, we've got Mike Johnson at the 339 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: porn trial, you know, at the adultery trial, and so 340 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: it's all it's a power game. It's a power game, 341 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: and so the question is exposing stuff that will that 342 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 2: bring people to our side or are we trying to 343 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: just mobilize our own coalition. 344 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we're only trying to mobilize 345 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: our own coalition, So. 346 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: In that sense, I mean, and I don't know why 347 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: this is, but like if you turn on a s 348 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: NBC or something like that, it's Trump for four hours 349 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: every single night. Yeah, get a story about Biden. But 350 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: like last night there was a two hour special about 351 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: the Trump trial, and then the next show was a 352 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: whole hour about sun trial. And maybe they feel like 353 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: that is what drives revenue or audience. Now, there are 354 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: some I think great lessons about the Trump trial. I 355 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: mean Trump, I don't know what's going to happen. I 356 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: cannot believe that they're going to get a unanimous jury 357 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: on anything about Trump, just because the way the country is. 358 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: But there are great articles in Politico really looking how 359 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: Trump is giving all this advice. That's terrible. He's not 360 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: as smart as he thinks he is. He's sabotaging his 361 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: own case by his own stubbornness, all these kinds. But 362 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: there are things about Trump that, if you follow that trial, 363 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: would make you nervous about that guy being president, even 364 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: if you didn't know anything about all the other stuff 365 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: you've done. So I think there are stories about that, 366 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: but its just I don't know. I felt this for 367 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: for a while, like if Biden was in our nominee, 368 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: if it was Gvin Newsom or somebody else, it just 369 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: seems like we would have a more news worthy candidate. 370 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: But we don't, and so in that vacuum, it's just 371 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: four hours a night of Trump. And so in a way, 372 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: like liberal media and all that kind of stuff in 373 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: our Twitter feeds and all that all kind of play 374 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: into that. And so I guess my question for you is, 375 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: are you suggesting I don't know why they do that. Honestly, 376 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense to me except that it 377 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: probably drives ratings or something. But are you saying we 378 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: should focus on other stories or something or what? 379 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that First of all, what MSMBC does 380 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: with their four hours of Trump trial coverage, This is like, honestly, 381 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: this is not the O. J. Simpson trial. This is 382 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: not a murder trial. If it was the document's case, right, 383 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: and if it was actually televised and then you're playing 384 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: back clips, this wouldn't that would make sense. In the meantime, 385 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: you have Senator Katie Britt who just rolled out a 386 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: piece of legislation to start a pregnancy database to track 387 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: women's pregnancies nationally, right, to track their movements. No linkage 388 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: to obgyns, to actual reproductive health clinics. No, it's all 389 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: about religious zelots and these fake clinics that they put 390 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: up to scare women into having their babies. She's created 391 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: a national policy around that. That's a fucking headline news story, right. 392 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: That goes along with the IVF blockages that came out 393 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: of Alabama. That goes again to say half of this 394 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: country are women and people with uteruses. Pay attention to 395 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Because Donald Trump becomes president and you're 396 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: looking at this abortion band that's in twenty states being 397 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: in fifty states, and you're looking at these national registries 398 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: right like these to me are important stories that are 399 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: not being like even if Biden was only putting this 400 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: shit up in his social fi feeds, right and saying, 401 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: look at what the Republicans have done now, right, like, 402 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: you have got to show people that their agenda is 403 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: much bigger than Donald Trump. And to your point, Yeah, 404 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: if we had a different candidate, I don't even know, Jonathan, 405 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: if they would be newsworthy, because we've been so conditioned 406 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: over the last nine years to never turn a camera 407 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: away from Trump. Yeah, Like, I just I don't know 408 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: who the candidate would be that would take the camera attention, 409 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: the news attention away from Donald Trump. 410 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean again, this is this is the 411 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: situation we have. We're down five points, and if we 412 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: rebuild our coalition, we win. And not only if we 413 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: if we rebuild our coalition, we win, but if we 414 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: rebuild our coalition and we beat Trump, then we also 415 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: change the Republican Party because he will have brought the 416 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: presidential election twice and that'll be I think the last 417 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: straw for a lot of people. 418 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: And so you know, but do we really, like we 419 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: always say, and I feel like you and I have 420 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: said this multiple times, this will be the nail in 421 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: the coffin for the Republican Party. This will be the 422 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: end for the Republican Party. Do we believe that trump 423 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: Ism hasn't been metastasized so much in this country that 424 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: if he loses, it doesn't just continue. 425 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I live in Tennessee. Trump is 426 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: not the president of Tennessee, and we have horrible everything, 427 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And so I don't think it's the 428 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: end of the far right turn to the conservative movement. 429 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 2: But I do think that somebody who if Trump loses 430 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: two presidential elections, I would bet that he will not 431 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: be the nominee the next time after that. And so, yeah, 432 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 2: because his whole brand is not losing, And so I 433 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: do think it would be something like the end of 434 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: that particular chapter, not the not the ideology. But I mean, 435 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: I guess the reason I think that's important is because 436 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: think of all the all the deals we haven't been 437 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: able to make, all the yeah, from Ukraine to healthcare reform, 438 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: all these things, I mean, we haven't really Like when 439 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: they put out the Affordable Care Act like seventy five 440 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 2: thousand years ago, the idea was, this is version one 441 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: point zero, and we're going to improve this by all 442 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: negotiating and improving it, and by now we would probably 443 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: have a public option and we would have public health infrastructure. 444 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: But like literally the Trump campaign was like, that's bad 445 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: for our re election and so we're not gonna, you know, 446 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: do it. And remember during the pandemic they tried to 447 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: like overturn the whole ACA. So it's all these things 448 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: where he just stands in the way of like governance 449 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: in a way, and so I don't know, I just 450 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: I think there was something encouraging to me that like 451 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: things could really change for the better if he That's 452 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: my personal thing. 453 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I look from your lips to God's ears, 454 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: because I believe that if we are able to pull 455 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: off this election, Biden puts up the same numbers that 456 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: he did in twenty twenty and we're able to win. 457 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: I do believe that Donald Trump's all of his trials 458 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: will proceed right the ones that are on hold, and 459 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: I think that he will fade from the public political discourse. 460 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: He'll still be news because of who he is, but 461 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: I fear I believe that he will fade from the 462 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: public the political discourse in terms of like we're not 463 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: going to be looking four years out right to see 464 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: if he'll run again in twenty twenty eight, right, And 465 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: so I think that, yeah, we'll have an opportunity to rebuild. 466 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think that trump Ism goes away, No, 467 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: And so I don't know, for instance, if NICKI Haley, 468 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: who has yet to endorse him, who is the longest 469 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: lasting Republican you know in the primary challenge, who is 470 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: not directing her voters to go after Donald Trump? And 471 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has said I don't want your voters, right, 472 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: and we're talking about elections that are one in these 473 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: swing state areas by thousands of votes, not hundreds of 474 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: thousands or millions, you know, thousands of votes, and he's 475 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: negating that. I don't know if the Republican Party reverse 476 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: his course and goes back to being normal Republicans. I 477 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: think that it's been a decade of crazy. I think 478 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: they just annoint a new person. But your final thoughts, well. 479 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: Again I just said my final thought is always the same, 480 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: which is, we need to rebuild our coalition, like starting 481 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: yesterday and so and not that that's not happening, but 482 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: it's there's so many things are so so much more 483 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: complicated than they were even in twenty twenty, which is 484 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: hard to believe. I mean, we're in the middle of this, 485 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: you know, horrible time. I'm in all these things. But 486 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: right now there are so many competing narratives and that's 487 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: kind of part of the point. And so I think, 488 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: I think everything we need to do is to rebuild 489 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: our coalition again because I just I interview a lot 490 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: of people who are well, we'll talk about it coming 491 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: forward going for you know, there's a lot of regret 492 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: by people who are in our position right now who 493 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: then vote for some fascism, like why didn't I, why 494 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: not do more? And I don't want to be in 495 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: that position one hundred percent. 496 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: Well, we will leave it there. Next week, folks follow 497 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: us on social if you don't already follow Jonathan and 498 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I because we are going to start our reading group 499 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: conversation next week with two articles that we will tweet 500 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: out and post so that folks can get engaged now 501 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: and prepare for that conversation next week. Thank you, Jonathan, 502 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: always appreciate you, Take care, and. 503 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to practice the look all day. 504 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke 505 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: A app as always power to the people and to all 506 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.