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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. Our colleague

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Speaker 1: Ben sends his regards. Unfortunately he's off the grid on

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Speaker 1: We don't know what this secret project is, but we

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Speaker 1: same time that you do. We're also joined by our

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Speaker 1: superproducer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. You are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: Strange News edition. Oh it's weird, and doing this at

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Speaker 1: the top without without Ben's Master of Ceremony ship, but

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Speaker 1: and we've got some doozies today. We actually last week

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Speaker 1: did not do our usual strange news segment for various reasons,

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Speaker 1: absolutely lousy with strange news stories. Absolutely, yeah, and that

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Speaker 1: was my fault. Guys. I do apologize to everyone. My

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Speaker 1: very very sweet. Yeah yeah, yeah. Uh So today, what

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Speaker 1: do you say, Well, we start with a story about

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Speaker 1: someone going missing. Okay, here we go. In the early

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Speaker 1: morning hours of Sunday, October six, not long ago, right now,

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Speaker 1: the one Dispatch in Newego County, Michigan received a nine

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Speaker 1: for you. This is a recording of it made available

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Speaker 1: a television station, and this call seems to have been edited,

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Speaker 1: and I will let you know which part was edited

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Speaker 1: when we're listening to it. It was likely just to

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Speaker 1: let's listen to this call one Yes, Hello, this is

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Speaker 1: Anthony John Sir Leano in Fremont, Michigan. And this is

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Speaker 1: Everyone is okay, but I need the Fremont Police Department

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Speaker 1: and I believe he is Captain Geeting John Gating. I

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Speaker 1: need some police protection immediately. Okay. It is a vital

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Speaker 1: national interest. It is related to September eleven, and people

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Speaker 1: want to erase me from the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. Mr Geating knows me. I'm a Christian.

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Speaker 1: I just need some help and then the US government

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Speaker 1: You don't have instructions for this. Please send someone that

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Speaker 1: and do you have any weapons there? No weapons at all,

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Speaker 1: not even a beating gun. Right? How do we spell

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Speaker 1: them and knock on the door. And who please try

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Speaker 1: to send this to Gating, even if he has to

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Speaker 1: this is the things this person is saying. Certainly, raise

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Speaker 1: everything seems to be going well. Um although, as we said,

427
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: the belief that someone is after them is still there

428
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: according to the police chief. But that's the thing too though, Matt,

429
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: like we see this all the time where just being

430
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: paranoid alone doesn't cause police intervention or doesn't cause like

431
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: someone to protect your love was you have to cross

432
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: so many lines before the law gets involved. And like

433
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: feel is as though your kids or your your your

434
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: spouse are in danger, and usually it's too late. Usually

435
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: it's after some murder suicide, you know what I mean

436
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: that that's the kind of thing that my brain leaps

437
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: to horrifically, but that's what that's what's happening, you know. Yeah,

438
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: uh wow, I didn't realize we've been talking about this

439
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: for so long. And well, well it's it's worth it's

440
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: worth it. And the one that I'm gonna bring in

441
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: part two of this episode I think will be roughly

442
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: the same length. So I think it's okay if we

443
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: just do two stories uh this time. But man, like

444
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: I said, going into that one cold, that was a

445
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: ride for me. I mean again, i'd heard nothing about

446
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: this story, and and you've already said in advance that

447
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: you know very little about what I'm gonna talk about.

448
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be an interesting second half.

449
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm ready, I'm ready to be surprised.

450
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: I hope you got something really all right. It's also

451
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: hilarious that you don't know that much. Why is that hilarious? Whatever?

452
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: You probably know the basics. All I know is that

453
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: the person we're going to talk about, um, his life

454
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: is dope and he does dope stuff. That's all does

455
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: dope stuff. You know, the song like Flashing Lights. I

456
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: mean that's a stone cold banger, you know, uh maybe

457
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: flash Lights Lights Light, Yeah, yeah, let's see, that's the hook.

458
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: That was what he started getting into, like, you know,

459
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: French pop and you know, really worshiping dath punk and

460
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: all of those kind of mean. Look, Kanye West, you

461
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: cannot argue before the escalation of his weird public Dallian says,

462
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I guess um with the media, interesting artists, very talented fellow.

463
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, it started in Chicago, you know, very like grassroots,

464
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, loved his mother. Just interesting, you know, like

465
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: you said that he were referencing was early appearance of

466
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: Kanye West. I think doing a guest spot on with Common,

467
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: maybe on the Chappelle Show, right, it's with Common and

468
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: like or maybe tell hip quality. He just kind of

469
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: pops in and does a verse. And that was Dave

470
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Chappelle on a couch during a late night TV show

471
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: and he told the story about first meeting Kanye. But

472
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Kanye was on an episode of Chappelle's show just kind

473
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: of like as a young, young, young artist that no

474
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: one had would have heard of. Yet at that point,

475
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: and you know, he made an impression on folks like

476
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Jay Z when like he you know, jump up on

477
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: the table and like you know, be like my, my

478
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: is the best, you know. I mean he had this

479
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: like Bravado at a very early age, um, and it

480
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: paid dividends. His stuff was incredible and people really believed

481
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: in him, and he made some really incredible records that

482
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: really pushed some boundaries in terms of what you would

483
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: think hip hop is. Like you know, he sampled like

484
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: twenty one century Schitzoid Man by King Crimson and like

485
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, Blood on the Leaves by Nina Simone and

486
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: like all of these weird disparate He's just a sample

487
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: machine like that, the things he chooses, and he is

488
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: an m C who also does his own product, which

489
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: isn't always the case. You know a lot of times

490
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: mcs have other people doing their production. And Conye just

491
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: seemed from the start to be kind of the full package.

492
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: But over time, UM, we've seen this man struggling with

493
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: pretty serious um bouts of mental health issues, you know,

494
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: very very very publicly. You know, he got very very famous,

495
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: became this like quadruple threat in terms of like his entrepreneurship.

496
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's this top selling artist, he becomes his

497
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: fashion designer, has this like shoe line. You know, he's

498
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: he's doing the easy thing, like with Adidas, and like

499
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: he's just this like cultural phenomenon. And all through that

500
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: he was kind of saying some slightly off stuff and

501
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: beefing with people. And then there was the whole like

502
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: him coming out with like the support of Trump, and

503
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: even that wasn't enough to really, you know, have his

504
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: peers totally cancel him, Like people were looking at him

505
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: askance when when he was wearing the red hat and

506
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: all that, and you know, people, I think we're more

507
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: concerned than anything. But then you know when his uh

508
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: his now ex wife Kim Kardashian, when they were separated

509
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and she was having a relationship with the comedian Pete Davidson,

510
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: That's what Kanye started like being creepy and invasive and

511
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: posting screenshots of text messages and kind of borderline doxing

512
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Pete Davidson and just you know, and this is a

513
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: guy who has millions of social media followers and just

514
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: acolytes and people who just like worship the guy. Like

515
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: he's absolutely like I said, this cultural phenomenon, and that's

516
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: very dangerous when a person like that comes unhinged in

517
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: such a real way. And now with things like Twitter

518
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: and Instagram and whatever, there's no separation, there's no publicist

519
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: between him and and and the people that like worship him,

520
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: So there's no filter and short of like you know,

521
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: a Twitter or whatever Facebook removing him, removing his access

522
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: or like cutting off his feet, and we know what

523
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: it takes for that to happen. Um, he's speaking directly

524
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: to to his audience. And these are a lot of younger,

525
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: impressionable perhaps folks, and you know, all kinds of people.

526
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: But uh, literally, in the last month, like it's October

527
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: twenty six and the beginning of this current saga that

528
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: has really just been the public undoing of Kanye West.

529
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: It's only been since the very beginning of this month

530
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: when he went to Paris Fashion Week again he's this

531
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: like fashion icon and he wore a White Lives Matter

532
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: T shirt. And it's just such a charge, isn't it.

533
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: It's such a charged thing because obviously he's a black man,

534
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: and there have been so many you know, horrible police

535
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: instances of police brutality and police killing unarmed black men

536
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: or black people, and it's just really become this like movement,

537
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, in Black Lives Matter. And so then we

538
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: there are these backlash movements against Black lives Matter, things

539
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: like blue Lives Matter, All lives Matter, all of that stuff,

540
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: and those are inherently trying are dismissive of what Black

541
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: Lives Matter is. It's sort of trying to like flip, no,

542
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna like have our thing now, you don't get

543
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: your thing. Black Lives Matter is what it is, and

544
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: it like should be what it is. So any attempts

545
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: to re brand that is an attempt to bastardize it

546
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: and diminish it. That is my opinion. Well, I I do.

547
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a prolific artist. That is one

548
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: of the things I know about him. He makes artistic

549
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: statements that are uncomfortable for a lot of people. Often.

550
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what the attempt was, rather than

551
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a political statement, it was supposed to be some kind

552
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: of artistic statement. We talked off the air with you

553
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: know superproducer Alexis code named Dot Holiday about a song

554
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: title that was on his record called Jesus I Believe

555
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: called black Skinhead and that is an iconoclastic claiming right

556
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: of like something like the idea of a skinhead, which

557
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: is like, you know, a white supremacist and like to

558
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: say black skinhead. And again, you know, Alexis and I

559
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: went back and forth a little bit about the actual

560
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: contents of the lyrics. A lot of his raps are

561
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: very they're they're very um, what's the word, kind of

562
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: psychedelic like they're they're not always what you what you

563
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: see is what you get. They're not all blanket political statements.

564
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nuanced there's a lot of figurative language.

565
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Let's just say, so you could go through and read

566
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: this the lyrics the song black Skinhead, and uh, you know,

567
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: make arguments in several different directions as to what his

568
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: intent is because this is not entirely clear, Like it's like,

569
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's some uh interpretation that goes into any

570
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: interesting lyric. In my opinion, that's the stuff that I

571
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: like the best. Um, but given what's been happening and

572
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: you look back, is like, is he just being iconoclastic?

573
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: Like he right, Matt to have a thing saying white

574
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: lives matter? Could just be an iconoclastic punk rock kind

575
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: of move. But given the climate of where we're where

576
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: we are right now, and given like it's Paris Fashion Week,

577
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: would just such a in the grand scheme of things,

578
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: frivolous event that is only for the like super rich.

579
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: You know again, you could argue that, right but like then,

580
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: very soon after, he went on to do an interview

581
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: on Tucker Carlson. Yea, by the way, is what he

582
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: goes by officially, and he made some very inflammatory anti

583
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: Semitic statements. Um, he made a very kind of snide

584
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: little comment about how he thinks his children should learn

585
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: about Hanukkah instead of Kwanza because quote, at least it

586
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: would come with some financial engineering. Being iconoclastic. Now, well, well,

587
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: I I don't look man. Again, it's just me analyzing

588
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: words and phrases. It would be come with say it again,

589
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: it would it would come. He's implying that if they

590
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: learned about Hannah, they've learned about the Jewish people, and

591
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: there's a horrible stereotype around Jewish people that they're like

592
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: these financial kind of black magic folks that are pulling

593
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: the strings behind the scenes. You know, it would come

594
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: with some financial engineering. It's like basically saying, like well,

595
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: I'd rather my kid go to temple because maybe then

596
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: they'll learn about like finance. That's messed up to say

597
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: that like that is a stereotype that has carried on

598
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: throughout the ages and has been a real reason why

599
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: folks like Adolf Hitler and people that were anti Jewish

600
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: wanted to eliminate the Jewish people because he felt as

601
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: though they were inherently greedy or inherently you know, concerned

602
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: with finance, and we're going to like ruin everything or

603
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: take over or whatever like from underneath. You know. So, Okay,

604
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: he didn't say all that, but you know that he

605
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: said this, and then, um, he at some point very

606
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: close after that, maybe right before that, he puts out

607
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: this tweet which is really the center of all of

608
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: this fallout, uh, saying something to the effect of, like

609
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm sleepy right now, but tomorrow I'm going death Con

610
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: three on Jewish people, and then sort of follows it

611
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: up with like you all have been trying to blackball me,

612
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: y'all presumably Jewish people, uh, for speaking out against you

613
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: and whatever, and I've had enough, essentially, and then you know,

614
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: he yeah, he says that that just really starts a

615
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: firestorm of folks like having to pick sides at this point,

616
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: right because he's he's overtly saying something that could have

617
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: very clearly be uh considered anti semitic, going death con.

618
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: It's also death con not death con um three. He

619
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: wrote death con three in the in the tweet. So

620
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, like he I think he

621
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: gets into it back and forth with with p P

622
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Diddy Puff Daddy, did he I forget what he goes by?

623
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Now they've they're old friends, because again, Kanye was like

624
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: this young upstart and kind of very quickly became friends

625
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: with everybody you know in the industry. Like he was

626
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: just this kind of like you know, golden child. So

627
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: in this exchange with Sean Diddy Combs and Combs is

628
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: coming out and like saying, hey man, what's up. Everything okay,

629
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: like you need to like take it down a peg

630
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: and uh and then yeah, essentially accuses Diddy of being

631
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: controlled by Jewish people, which which again is like this

632
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: it's a reference to this like conspiracy, this idea of

633
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: like Jewish people. Again, and I want to really really quickly,

634
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: we're not talking about He's not specifically referring to Jewish

635
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: entertainment lawyers or Jewish executives or Jewish music moguls. He's

636
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: saying Jewish people. He's saying the Jewish people. And that's

637
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: that's the problem. It's it's already all of its problematic,

638
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: but just to to broaden it to that degree again

639
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: from that perspective of uh power and megaphone largeness. So

640
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: he then he posts a picture of like somebody. He

641
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: also says like, I can't be anti Semitic because black

642
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: people are Jewish or something like that. And and that's

643
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a there's a thing that's deeper

644
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: than I'm ready to go into right now about you know,

645
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Zionists and this connection between there there were black Jews

646
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: and his you know, in antiquity and whatever. But point being,

647
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: he just keeps doubling down and keep stubling down. He

648
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: goes on this podcast called Drink Champs. At this point

649
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: he's been dropped by a couple of things, a couple

650
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: of like, you know, entities that he is associated with. Business.

651
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Well that was the last that was the last shoe

652
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: to drop. But um, he goes on Drink Champs and

653
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: and he says something to the effect of no, I

654
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: was quoted. He says, I could say anti Semitic and

655
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Adida's can't drop me, and then he repeats it, I

656
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: could say anti submit and Adidas won't drop and then

657
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: he says, what now, what now? Like he's taunting Adidas.

658
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: And as we know, Adidas is a giant um sporting

659
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: streetwear fashion e you know, like they're they're cool, Like

660
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: there's like associations with like the track suits and with

661
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: hip hop, like they've got this, but it's a German company,

662
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, the Dozzlers. It was like Addie and his

663
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: brother his name is escaping me right now, Dossler, and

664
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: they end up splitting because they had beef and then

665
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: it became Puma on one side and Adidas on the

666
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: other side, with an Audi das means Audi Dossler. A

667
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: lot of people maybe in America, you know, in the

668
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: UK and Europe they pronounced it Audi das Um. But

669
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: they finally dropped him. And I can see why they

670
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: may be hesitated, because we'll get into the list of

671
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: folks that have split with them. But Adida's estimates that

672
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: ending this partnership will cost it two hundred and fifty

673
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: billion euros. This year, which is too because the They's

674
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: E line is through Adidas, like those big beefy shoe

675
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: foam kind of like cloud looking Adidas shoes. A lot

676
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: of these things is it's like this branded you know,

677
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: yeasy relationship. That's why he said what he said, I

678
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: think because he knew that money talks and that they

679
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like Trump saying I could

680
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: shoot somebody in Times Square and they'll still vote for me.

681
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: This is easy as that moment, right and UM And

682
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: at this point, he has been dropped by Balenciaga. One

683
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: of the most recent pictures of him have they have

684
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: like a grill thing that said Balenciaga on it. His

685
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: talent agency Creative Artists Agency CIA dropped him. His law

686
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: firm Cohen Claire, Lands, Grifer, Thorpe and Rotten uh Tryfe

687
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Rotten Strike dropped him, UM Gap dropped him JP. His

688
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: bank A Bank dropped him JP. Morgan Chase dropped him.

689
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: There is a completed documentary about him by a Hollywood

690
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: uh producer and like production company or finance you're called MRC.

691
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: They are not going to put it out anymore. UM.

692
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: He has had his social media accounts locked by the

693
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: way thirty one million people how many people follow him?

694
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: Um on Twitter? And UM, yeah, that's kind of where

695
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: it stands. But oh there's one other thing. Um, there

696
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: was a demonstration, let's call it, in Los Angeles where

697
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: some white supremacists, uh, hung out on an overpass bridge

698
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: and put these like banners down saying like Kanye is right,

699
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, and the Jewish whatever conspiracy some horrible like that,

700
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: and they're like giving the Hile salute, you know, on

701
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: this overpass bridge. So like Los Angeles basically has canceled Kanye,

702
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's insane. And again I mentioned

703
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: at the top of the segment he has had a

704
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: very public struggle with mental illness. But being mentally ill

705
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make you racist out of nowhere. It doesn't make

706
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: you anti Semitic out of nowhere. And it's not a

707
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: pass for this kind of thing, uh in my opinion, Well, no,

708
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: it's certainly not a pass. Wow. Um. The only point

709
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: I can even make there is that it's really what

710
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: we were talking about in the last segment of this episode,

711
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: where you can be led to believe some pretty gnarly things,

712
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: and if you believe them strongly enough, it can make

713
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: you act in ways that you maybe normally wouldn't act,

714
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: or do things you normally wouldn't do, you know, um,

715
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: and it makes me feel like he something got in

716
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: his head. And uh, I don't know, man, that's very

717
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a weird situation. Okay, let's take a quick pause

718
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and then we right

719
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: back in with more strange news and we're back. He's

720
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: apparently been spending a lot of time with uh, this

721
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: woman named Candice Owens who has made some really crazy

722
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: nine eleven truther or ish type dot worse than that,

723
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: like documentaries like you know, pushing the line that George

724
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Floyd wasn't killed by police, that he was a drug

725
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: addict and overdosed and that the police were totally in

726
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: the right. And I believe her husband is the CEO

727
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: and uh founder of Parlor and recently Yea came out

728
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: and said he was going to buy Parlor after being

729
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: kicked off of the traditional social media platforms. But you know,

730
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: about Candice Owens, I don't know much about her, but

731
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: she doesn't seem like a great, uh great influence on

732
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: a mentally ill person, on someone who has maybe susceptible

733
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff. Maybe I have the wrong person,

734
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: but I always saw her on television making what appeared

735
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: to me to be like purposefully contrarian remarks or holding

736
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: contrarian beliefs on popular movements, more popular constuts, ideas, and

737
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: and canons. Owens is a is a black woman for

738
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: anyone that isn't familiar. Uh. And her husband is white

739
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: and owns they owned together. I guess parlor and you know,

740
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: parlor tanked didn't do well. I think it has something

741
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of like ten thousand five monthly active users. Um,

742
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: and it is specifically reserved for their terms of service

743
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: or a little lighter in terms of the kinds of

744
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: hate speech that they'll put up with. In fact, it's

745
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: sort of designed for hate speech. That's sort of the point. Uh.

746
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: It's like, come here, we welcome you with open arms.

747
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: When you're kicked off Twitter for being like two racist

748
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: Uh so easy. Yeah. And you know, and I believe

749
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: she has something to do with the documentary that pushed this,

750
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: this narrative about George Floyd and um do Van Jones

751
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: is Uh? Yeah, I like Van Jones a lot. He

752
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: used to work for TMZ. I forgive him for that,

753
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: but now he worked. He probably was, but he was,

754
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: he worked. Maybe he didn't work for TMZ all the time,

755
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: but the incident and I'm about to describe he was

756
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: there at TMZ um and now he works for The

757
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Ringer and I think he's just sort of like a

758
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: freelance like writer and commentator. He's a really smart guy.

759
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Is the Wire podcast is great.

760
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: But um, there was a thing several years ago, I

761
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: think maybe more than five when Kanye came to TMZ

762
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: and he said something like that slavery was a choice

763
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: or something like that because of how long it had

764
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: gone on for He was like, I mean that was

765
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: a long time. Sounds to me like slavery was a choice.

766
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: And then Van Jones comes in and says, Kanye, the

767
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: thing that you can have your opinion whatever, but the

768
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: things you're saying have real world implications in terms of

769
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: like how they're affecting people that, like, you know, follow you.

770
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: But recently Van Jones came out and said, actually they

771
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: edited that and they took out a part work Hanya

772
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: said that he related to Hitler and the Nazis, and

773
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: this was Van Jones responding to that in saying the

774
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Holocaust was the realist of real world, actual deaths resulting

775
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: from this kind of ideology. And they edited that part

776
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: out because it was too too much two nuts right

777
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: for him, They wouldn't have him saying that. And then

778
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: they edited Van Jones so that his thing about the

779
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Holocaust was edited out because it wouldn't have made sense

780
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: um because of what they added out from Kanye. And

781
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: then they make it look like he's referring specifically to

782
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: the slavery thing, which he is eventually, but not right away.

783
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: So he's come out recently and say, yeah, Kanye totally

784
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: said he digs the Nazis and hitler um. And this

785
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: was years ago too, when he alleges that this happened

786
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: years ago. So, uh, what do we do with this?

787
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: What do I? What am I gonna do with all

788
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: of these yeasy shoes that I have around my house?

789
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: I have so many ease, I don't I don't think

790
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: that's true. But if I don't, I think you know,

791
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: his streams on on Spotify and other platforms have tanks. Um.

792
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: They're not playing him on the radio anymore or as

793
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: much or again, this is like the kind of thing

794
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: where you got to pick a side, you know, like J.

795
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: K Rowling kind of you know, when she comes out

796
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: with his transphobic kind of stuff, Like it's just instantly

797
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: anyone associated with her is compelled to pick a side. Um,

798
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: and it is not going Kanye's way. His net worth

799
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: dropped by half. He was a billionaire, and now with

800
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: all of these withdrawals from business with him, I think

801
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: he's still worth like four hundred million, but he was

802
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: a legitimate billionaire like a month ago. Man. Okay, I

803
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with this either, Matt, but

804
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: I really do think it does dovetail interestingly with your

805
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: story because it is an example of a combination of factors.

806
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: But also like I have no sympathy for this guy.

807
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: He gotta get help. Shame on his handlers, Shame on

808
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: whomever is in his circle that isn't saying we gotta

809
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: do a you know whatever they call it at fifty

810
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: on you what you know what I mean? Like you

811
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: need to you need to be forcibly whatever, like given

812
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: some help. Yeah, it shows the real toxicity of the

813
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: whole Hollywood model too. Are you just surrounded by yes

814
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: people and then with this zero filter thing with social media.

815
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: It just goes and goes and goes and goes, and

816
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: there's like no end to it, you know, until you

817
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: just literally burn out in the most public possible way. Yeah. Um,

818
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: a person that I thought was very wise once said

819
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: I I did. I really thought this person was very wise. Um.

820
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: He once said, no one man should have all that power.

821
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: The clock's ticking, I just count the hours. It's a

822
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: great song. I tried to start this off coming from

823
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: a place of like I'm a I'm a music fan,

824
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm a music producer. I think Kanye did very interesting

825
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: and important things. You know, his records like really cross

826
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: some boundaries in really cool ways, really interesting lyrical style.

827
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: But it's like now people are going back and reassessing

828
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: his whole cannon and like looking for a little like

829
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: like like someone gets canceled on Twitter for saying something,

830
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: people end up going back through all their old tweets

831
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: and looking for other things they may have missed. Now

832
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: people are doing that with his entire catalog of music.

833
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: It's just I've just never in my life seeing someone

834
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: just torpedo their legacy the way this is happening. It's

835
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: just it's absolutely bonkers. Well what do you think? We've

836
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: surprisingly gotten very little correspondence, but this all happened very

837
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: in very recent, you know, weeks and months, So please

838
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: do let us know what you think. Is this an

839
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: example of mental illness gone unchecked? You know, obviously that's

840
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: part of it? Um? Does that? Should that give him

841
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity to come back and make apology? Is he

842
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: too far gone at this point that I literally I

843
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: am seeing headlines like Kanye can never come back from this?

844
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Can he come back from this? Should there be a

845
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: place for restitution and redemption with this person? I don't know, um,

846
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: but let us know what you think, and let us

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